Josh Clark (2:16)

Yeah, I think one of the things that fascinates me about this and why I picked this one. And also thanks to Tara, Yar Lagada and Adoye Johnson, the first from how stuff works. The latter from the Howard University School of Law. But, like, when I see signs like that, they seem like an urban archaeological find because they're from the 70s, the very early 70s, and sometimes in old neighborhood, and, you know, Atlanta's chock full of old neighborhoods, you can tell that sign was put up in 1972.

Chuck Bryant (2:47)

Yeah, yeah.

Josh Clark (2:48)

And that neighborhood watch probably hasn't functioned for 40 years, you know, and I just find that super fascinating. So because of that fascination, I've dragged us into the discussion about Neighborhood watch as it is.

Chuck Bryant (3:02)

That's right. Which was formed officially in 1972 after a rise in crime in the late 60s.

Josh Clark (3:08)

Thank you, Leaded gas.

Chuck Bryant (3:10)

Again, the National Neighborhood Watch program is the official name, and that's under the umbrella of the National Sheriff's association. And it's a national organization in that they have guidelines. You can get some information and pamphlets on kind of how to run one in your neighborhood, Although we'll see. That kind of depends on your neighborhood, what you want to do with this program.

Josh Clark (3:30)

Sure.

Chuck Bryant (3:31)

But they don't. They don't. Like. There are way too many neighborhood watch programs, you know, local ones, for them to really be involved in matter on a national level. It's just sort of the umbrella organization.

Josh Clark (3:42)

Yeah. Which can be a criticism, as we'll see. But the whole idea is basically, you can. The cops can get an assist from people who are kind of looking for problems in their neighborhood, or at the very least, are on enough lookout that when it happens, they notice it. Right. They don't just walk right past it, and then you can call the cops, and then the cops come, and then the burglar, Boris, the burglar is thwarted. And all of this is kind of based on what's called the Chicago school of social disorganization theory. It's a sociological theory from the 20s and the 30s, which basically says if you have a neighborhood that doesn't have very strong social ties, so neighbors don't really know each other that well, they don't trust each other that well, and very little community control, where people feel very confident about just committing crimes, that's the most vulnerable kind of neighborhood. And so a neighborhood watch essentially is meant to at least take care of the second one, where it's like, you know, we're going to make sure you don't feel confident about committing crime, but it doesn't necessarily fulfill the first one, which is to bring communities together.

Chuck Bryant (4:47)

Yeah, that's right. We should mention kind of briefly that for a little while, after 9 11, the NSA got a grant from the Department of Justice where they rebranded as USA on Watch, where they're like, hey, not only should you just be looking out for Boris the Burglar, but you should be looking out for terrorists in your neighborhood. But that grant ran out and they said, yeah, maybe we should just stick to being a neighborhood watch.

Josh Clark (5:13)

Yeah, it went from keeping an eye on your neighborhood to spying on your neighbors, I think was essentially the spirit of it.

Chuck Bryant (5:19)

Yeah, it's pretty great.

Josh Clark (5:20)

Remember this? This was the era when the postal workers, the mail carriers were expected to spy on everyone.

Chuck Bryant (5:27)

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Josh Clark (5:29)

It was a very paranoid time. Understandably so. It was a really rough time for the United States.

Chuck Bryant (5:34)

Yeah. Some would say there was a privacy grab that happened.

Josh Clark (5:39)

Oh, I hadn't thought about that.

Chuck Bryant (5:40)

Or a, you know, a lack of privacy grab, I guess.

Josh Clark (5:44)

No, I get what you mean. An intrusive intrusion.

Chuck Bryant (5:49)

Yeah. Let's take a break for saying it just right.

Josh Clark (5:53)

Yeah, right. Let's take a break, man, and we'll come back and talk about whether these things actually prevent crime in the first place.

Chuck Bryant (5:59)

All right, we'll be right back.

Josh Clark (6:12)

Hey, everybody, we're hitting the road again starting in January 2026, picking up again in April 2026. And eventually Canada will tell you year dates to.

Chuck Bryant (6:23)

That's right. We're going to do at least three legs. And the first leg is starting out in Denver, Colorado at the paramount theater on January 27th. We're going to go back to our beloved Seattle at the Paramount Theater there on the 28th, and then finally back at SketchFest on the 29th at the Sidney Goldstein Theater.

Josh Clark (6:38)

Yep. And then April 16th, 17th and 18th, we're going to be in Madison, Wisconsin, Chicago, Illinois and Akron, Ohio. And if you're not keeping up with all this or taking notes, but don't worry, you can get all the info you need and buy tickets atstuffyou should know.com, click on the tour button and thank us later.

Chuck Bryant (6:57)

That's right. We can't wait to see everybody again out there on the road.

Evan Ratliff (7:02)

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Josh Clark (7:09)

Hey, just finished drawing up that quick.

Evan Ratliff (7:11)

One page business plan for you.

Josh Clark (7:12)

Here's the link.

Evan Ratliff (7:13)

But there was no link. There was no business plan. It's not his fault. I hadn't programmed Kyle to be able.

Chuck Bryant (7:20)

To do that yet.

Evan Ratliff (7:21)

My name is Evan Ratliff. I decided to create Kyle, my AI co founder, after hearing a lot of stuff like this from OpenAI CEO Sam Altman. There's this betting pool for the first.

Chuck Bryant (7:30)

Year that there's a one person billion dollar company which would have been like unimaginable without AI. And now will happen.

Evan Ratliff (7:36)

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Josh Clark (8:13)

So Chuck, the idea of a neighborhood watch makes sense, but not everything that is intuitively right actually pans out when put under scientific scrutiny. It turns out neighborhood watch programs do hold up under scientific scrutiny. At least one study from all the way back in 2006. Not a lot of studies about neighborhood watch programs apparently. They found 18 other studies and 15 of those showed that neighborhood watch programs seem to prevent crime. Like the, like the neighborhood watch program came along and a decline in crime happened afterward. So it does seem like they can prevent crime. They don't necessarily thwart crime in progress, I guess.

Chuck Bryant (8:57)

Yeah, I mean they will tell you and proponents of the program will say like, hey, just having that sign up in your neighborhood is gonna prevent crime somewhat. Because you know if a ne' er do well sees that you're under neighborhood watch, they'll just move on to another neighborhood. Yeah, I don't know about that, but that's what they say.

Josh Clark (9:18)

Well, it makes sense, like especially a non professional who's just like, I'm gonna break into houses. That might give them a second thought. So even if it prevents one burglary, it's a crime deterrent.

Chuck Bryant (9:31)

Sure. If you want to organize one of these things, you can recruit people and get together. You can schedule some meetings, you can get some local law enforcement in there maybe to come to one of those meetings and kind of discuss how these things go. If you're like a really button down neighborhood watch group, you might have an actual liaison with law enforcement, you might have a group coordinator and block captains and stuff like that.

Josh Clark (9:55)

They might have sashes in the well funded neighborhood watch group.

Chuck Bryant (9:58)

They might, they might even have patrols. And this is where it can get a little dodgy because there have been plenty of instances in the United States where these things have turned from sort of neighborhood watch where you see something and you maybe call the cops to people kind of acting on their own vigilante style or people on their own calling the cops just because someone is guilty of being a person of color in their neighborhood. That certainly happens all the time.

Josh Clark (10:29)

Yeah, it does. So you talked about a lack of oversight and the fact that the National Neighborhood Watch association just doesn't. They can't possibly keep up with them. I think there's something like 27,000 neighborhood watch groups that are registered right now and probably a lot of them are defunct. But there's still. That's way too many for this probably just paper thin funded organization to keep up with. So they're just like, hey, you know, they register with us. So we tell them best practices, but if they turn into vigilante groups we don't know about, it has nothing to do with us. Yeah, some people are like, I don't know if that's true. You're actually encouraging the formation of these groups in the first place. You can make an argument that a neighborhood would come up with their own concept of a neighborhood watch anyway. Probably right. So it does seem like the National Neighborhood Watch association is probably fair, fairly at least not guilty. Their hands aren't dirty, I guess is what I'm trying to say. But even still, they're quite aware that some of these neighborhood watch groups, whether they're registered or not, do evolve into vigilante groups.

Chuck Bryant (11:35)

Yeah, I mean, I think nationally their aim is pure. But then when you get the wrong neighborhood and the wrong group of people, like happened here in the state of Georgia, you might have a neighborhood watch group targeting a family that they don't like being there and sitting outside their house and digging through their trash and photographing the family and digitally audio recording them and monitoring their movements. That has happened in Springfield, Missouri. The Klan set up a neighborhood watch and had signs saying Neighborhood Watch. You can sleep tonight knowing the Klan is awake.

Josh Clark (12:10)

Yeah, we talked about well funded groups too. Some of them will use police scanners, some, some of them even have invested those flashing dome lights like a LA Naked Gun or police squad for their cars when they're going to respond to a report.

Chuck Bryant (12:26)

Yeah, you're not a cop.

Josh Clark (12:28)

No. This is your neighbor who works in it during the day and frankly drinks one or two beers too many each night. Showing up with a flashing light at your front door because your neighbor across the street thought that you were doing something suspicious or somebody was doing something suspicious at your house. Yeah, that is not okay under basically any circumstance. Again, like you said, the concept is pure. It gets perverted way too easily. Because it gives power to the people who want the power. Because those are the ones very often who volunteer for this stuff.

Chuck Bryant (13:02)

Yeah, for sure. And, you know, I talked about different crimes that were committed to. Of course, the most obvious is when George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager in Sanford, Florida, in 2012. And Zimmerman supposedly was a neighborhood watch volunteer. And I think their neighborhood watch was not one of the official under the National Neighborhood Watch. At least the National Neighborhood Watch was like, nuh, they weren't us. But that's how far it can go. So we want to keep our neighborhood safe. But settle down, man.

Josh Clark (13:36)

That was a. Seems like a lifetime ago, doesn't it?

Chuck Bryant (13:38)

Yeah, man. Yeah, it was sort of. I mean, what, 2012. How many years ago is that? Thirteen?

Josh Clark (13:45)

Yeah. Yep. Right on the nose. So there is. Yeah. There's nothing inherently wrong with keeping an eye on your neighborhood, especially if it helps you meet some of your neighbors and you guys work together to prevent people from breaking into your homes or selling drugs on your street or whatever. Like, it's totally understandable. It seems like according to the National Neighborhood Watch association, that kind of the steps that they've laid out since 1972 are not necessarily followed. But that doesn't mean that groups are just not forming. They're forming in other ways through, like, text chains, like neighborhood text threads. There's a lot of neighborhoods that have Facebook pages. Next door is a big one. Yeah. If you want to read some crazy off the chain stuff like go on to nextdoor, it can be pretty entertaining. And then ring, which is that camera video doorbell. The first one, I think now is owned by Amazon. They partner with law enforcement, and they're really doing their best to fill in the gaps in the police state.

Chuck Bryant (14:52)

Yeah. And if you're. If you want to get one of these started in your neighborhood and want to be on the up and up and do it the right way, you can go to that National Neighborhood Watch website and get officially registered. They will have some resources to kind of guide you along. But again, you know, do it the right way. It's not a crime to just be in your neighborhood. And you see plenty of, you know, videos every day on social media where somebody, you know, sometimes someone that does live in that neighborhood is even accosted because they're a person of color who dares to park in their own driveway and walk to their own front door.

Josh Clark (15:28)

That has happened before.

Chuck Bryant (15:29)

Yeah.

Josh Clark (15:31)

Yeah, I think. Well, geez, Chuck, Short stuff's out on that bomber note.

Chuck Bryant (15:36)

I think so.

Josh Clark (15:37)

Okay.

Evan Ratliff (15:40)

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