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Episode Title: SYSK's 12 Days of Christmas… Toys: What Makes a Must-Have Christmas Toy?
Date: December 12, 2025
Hosts: Josh Clark & Charles W. "Chuck" Bryant
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts – Stuff You Should Know

Episode Overview

This festive episode kicks off SYSK’s "12 Days of Christmas… Toys" playlist. Josh and Chuck dive deep into the concept of the “must-have” Christmas toy phenomenon. They explore its origins, what transforms a regular toy into an extreme holiday craze, the evolution from catalog wish lists to online hot lists, the market dynamics behind toy scarcity, and the sometimes contentious world of toy "flippers" who resell in-demand items. Mixing nostalgia, social commentary, and humor, the hosts unpack how advertising, scarcity, marketing, and cultural shifts fuel the annual hunt for the hottest holiday toy.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Origins of the "Must-Have" Christmas Toy (03:07–09:45)

• Cabbage Patch Kids: The First "Must-Have?"

  • Josh argues Cabbage Patch Kids in 1983 were the first must-have Christmas toy, drawing a comparison to how Jaws created the summer blockbuster (05:00).
  • Chuck debates whether Star Wars toys (1977) or Atari Pac-Man (1982) may really count as earlier examples (07:16).
  • The Cabbage Patch craze involved intense consumer behavior, including violence and store managers arming themselves with bats (08:40).

  Quote:
  Josh Clark (08:40):
  “Did a woman have her leg broken because a crowd trying to get their hands on those things turned violent?... Did a department store manager in Charleston, West Virginia, have to arm himself with a baseball bat to defend himself from his very customers?”

• Toy Scarcity, Violence, and Social Change

  • The podcast draws links between an inability to meet holiday demand and the public’s unhinged reactions, establishing that not just popularity, but viral scarcity/inaccessibility, makes a toy “must-have.”

2. Hallmarks of Must-Have Toys & Notorious Christmas Crazes (09:45–14:51)

• The Recipe: Buzz, Scarcity & Media Manipulation

  • Media, supply limits, and deliberate hype heighten demand.
  • Coleco, for example, sent Cabbage Patch Kids directly to reporters (10:42).
  • The tradition continued with Nintendo consoles in the late '80s, Tickle Me Elmo (including violence and trampling), and more recent trends like Hatchimals (12:30–13:59).

• Hatchimals & Tamagotchis: Confused Toys

  • The hosts clarify Hatchimals vs. other water-toys, with Chuck humorously criticizing "garbage" after-hatch toys (13:14).

  Quote:
  Chuck Bryant (13:14):
  “You have to leave it there and leave it there and then it hatches into a garbage toy.”

3. How Kids and Parents Used (and Use) Holiday Toy Catalogs (17:52–23:00)

• Nostalgia for Catalog Days

  • Discussing Sears Wish Books, Service Merchandise, JC Penney, Montgomery Ward, etc., the hosts highlight how wish lists and dog-eared catalogs supported family rituals of gift-choosing (18:09–19:59).
  • The website "Wishbook Web" digitally preserves this experience (19:01).

  Quote:
  Chuck Bryant (19:09):
  “If you go through and spend a few minutes clicking through these things and the years where you were like 6 to 12, waves of nostalgia wash over you... I almost did nothing else today.”

• Transition to Modernity

  • Today’s equivalents are online lists on retailer sites—Amazon, Walmart, Target—or trusted aggregators like The Spruce, Toy Insider, Toys Tots Pets and More (21:40–23:00).
  • The hosts discuss how modern parents navigate these lists, expressing some skepticism about their usefulness and authenticity (22:55).

4. The Business Behind Toy "Hot Lists" (23:00–27:00)

• Retailers’ Pay-to-Play Lists vs. Third Parties

  • Amazon and Walmart charge toy makers to nominate products for their “hot toy” lists, sometimes millions for consideration or placement (24:18–24:55).
  • Target remains more opaque about their process (25:36).

• The Self-Fulfilling Prophecy of Hot Lists

  • Being on a retailer’s or media outlet’s hot list can itself create demand, fulfilling the prophecy of the toy’s “must-have” status (26:33).

  Quote:
  Josh Clark (26:33):
  “Just the very fact that those things are on their lists is going to make them among the hot toys of the season. So it's like a self-fulfilling or self-paying prophecy.”

5. Psychology and Science of Holiday Toy Marketing (27:00–31:57)

• Marketing Strategies: Joy, Nostalgia, & Scarcity

  • Marketers capitalize on consumers’ heightened emotional state during the holidays. Ads are everywhere—children may see 100+ toy ads in a three-hour block (27:44–28:07).
  • Scarcity is a prime motivator; if toys are hard to find, the shopping frenzy escalates (29:04–29:34).

• Fear of Missing Out: The True Engine

  • The sense of urgency, exacerbated by feelings of potential social embarrassment or failing one’s child, is the real driver behind these crazes (30:46).

  Quote:
  Chuck Bryant (29:34):
  “People are motivated by fear... It is frightening what a parent, some parents might do to secure that toy.”

6. Scarcity as Manipulation: Real and Manufactured (31:57–35:31)

• Scarcity Tactics
  • Marketers sometimes feign or exaggerate scarcity to drive demand—e.g., Disney vaults, Pappy Van Winkle whiskey, limited-release burgers (31:03 & 33:39).
  • Discussion of Hatchimals and Fingerlings and how companies either failed to ramp up production or, some suspect, intentionally held back supply to inflate demand (32:11–33:39).
  • Even a simple “limit 12 per customer” sign at the supermarket can trigger irrational buying (34:09).

7. Social Dynamics of Holiday “Haves” and “Have-nots” (35:31–36:11)

• Emotional Stakes

  • Achieving “have” status, even briefly, can feel especially sweet or significant for parents or families who aren’t usually first in line for material goods.

  Quote:
  Josh Clark (35:31):
  “For that time, you are a have. And maybe even somebody with a much higher social status than you couldn't get that fingerling, which makes it all the more sweet.”

8. The Dark Side: Toy Flippers and Bots (39:09–47:23)

• Toy Flippers: Opportunists or Holiday Villains?

  • Chuck rails against toy flippers—people who buy up hot toys to resell at a profit, comparing them to ticket scalpers and calling them “the worst people” (39:09).
  • Josh is slightly more forgiving toward non-professional flippers just trying to make some extra cash, drawing a distinction from organized/resale bot operations (39:34).
  • Bots are described as a major problem, using technology to buy out stock instantly and resell items—often bypassing retailer-imposed limits and captchas by hiring teams to defeat security (41:32–42:22).

• How to Become a Flipper—(Tongue-in-Cheek)

  • Tips include talking to kids, Santas, store employees, lurking in online forums, and even bribery with coffee cards—a satirical detour (44:09–45:32).

  Quote:
  Chuck Bryant (39:09):
  “The idea of buying, targeting and buying a lot of must have toys to sell later for profit on ebay makes you a pretty rotten person. Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and lay that judgment down.”

  Memorable Exchange:
  Chuck (47:18):
  “Let's say you go on a date from a dating app and you sit down across from your date and you’re like, what do you do? And he goes, ‘I'm a toy flipper.’ ...And just tell me how that date goes from there.”

9. What It Takes to Become a “Must-Have Toy” (47:37–48:10)

• Josh’s Thesis

  • The recipe: A confluence of advertising and buzz marketing, deliberate or de facto scarcity, and the feedback loop of hype. Once it’s coalesced, flippers (and sometimes violence) follow.

  Quote:
  Josh Clark (47:37):
  “Usually it has to do with some combination of advertising and buzz marketing as well as scarcity. The flippers get involved, I think...and help drive that frenzy even further.”

10. This Year’s Must-Have Toys (48:14–53:32)

• Hot Toys of 2025—Cross-Platform Consensus

  • Based on lists from Target, Amazon, Toy Insider, Walmart, and more, standout toys include:
    • Blume Dolls: Water-activated, “growing” dolls with surprise features (49:09–49:40).
    • Hatchimals (including “Toothless” dragons from How to Train Your Dragon) (49:57).
    • Barbie Dream Plane: Complete with dog and snack cart (50:10–50:20).
    • LOL Surprise: Dolls centered on unboxing, fashion, DJ themes (50:23).
    • Ryan’s World: Toys from the YouTuber Ryan, also focused on unboxing experience (51:34).
    • Lego Make-Your-Own Movie Kit: Stop-motion movie kit (52:01–52:14).
    • Fisher-Price Linkimoles: Cute animatronic toys, notably a “smooth move sloth” (52:37).
    • Playmobil: Enduring European-inspired non-military action figures (52:52).

  Quote:
  Chuck Bryant (49:40):
  “There’s, I think, 22 different versions... Give me 10,000 of them! That’ll lock it up.”

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Holiday Shopping Frenzy
  Josh Clark (08:40):
  “Did a woman have her leg broken because a crowd trying to get their hands on those things turned violent?... Did a department store manager in Charleston, West Virginia, have to arm himself with a baseball bat...?”

• On Toy Flippers
  Chuck Bryant (39:09):
  “...buying, targeting and buying a lot of must have toys to sell later for profit on eBay makes you a pretty rotten person.”

• On Retailer Hot Lists
  Josh Clark (26:33):
  “It’s like a self-fulfilling or self-paying prophecy.”

• On Toy Unboxing Trends
  Josh Clark (50:23):
  “...they tap into like this whole trend of unboxing...it’s a huge trend and that’s worked its way into toys. So LOL Surprise is kind of based [on that].”

• On Bot Technology
  Josh Clark (41:32):
  “They will have ordered scores of these things or dozens or hundreds, whatever, however many it can, before you can. Even if you're sitting there refreshing your browser... they will have wiped the place out using these bots.”

Timestamps of Important Segments

• 03:07–09:45: History/Rebuttal: What was truly the first must-have Christmas toy?
• 10:42: Media and intentional buzz creation around Cabbage Patch Kids.
• 12:27: Extreme consumer violence over Tickle Me Elmo and modern "must-have" toys.
• 17:52–23:00: Toy catalogs, Wishbook Web, and nostalgia’s hold on holiday shopping.
• 24:18–26:54: The business of retailer hot lists and pay-for-placement schemes.
• 27:44–31:57: The psychology and manipulation of holiday marketing.
• 39:09–47:23: Toy flippers, bots, and the ethics of toy resale.
• 48:14–53:32: “Hot toys” for 2025—what’s trending on all the major lists.

Tone and Style

The episode is full of warm nostalgia, tongue-in-cheek humor, and a touch of holiday cynicism. Josh and Chuck balance childhood wonder with adult skepticism about modern marketing tactics and supply manipulation. Debates are friendly and humorous, peppered with personal anecdotes.

Summary & Takeaways

• The “must-have Christmas toy” is a relatively modern invention fueled by media, engineered scarcity, and emotional marketing.
• The ecosystem involves not just manufacturers and retailers but media amplifiers, parental wish fulfillment, opportunistic flippers, and even aggressive resellers.
• The evolution from catalog dog-earing to online buzz reflects larger retail and cultural shifts—but the basic dynamic of hype, scarcity, and frenzy remains.
• Being on a retailer’s hot list is often as powerful as actual consumer interest, creating a feedback loop.
• Scarcity, whether genuine or engineered, is what transforms a popular toy into a “craze.”
• Nastier side effects (violence, flippers, bots) are byproducts of these marketing machinations.
• This year’s “must-haves” carry on the tradition, adapting to the age of surprise and unboxing.
• The emotional stakes—for kids and parents—remain high, and the desire to be a "have" is as potent as ever.
• The episode closes with a list of the year’s most in-demand toys, anticipation for future holiday chaos, and a little more ribbing about (and for) toy flippers and marketers.

For listeners who missed it, this episode offers not just a guide to the current "it" toys, but a thorough exploration of what drives the phenomenon—making sense of the chaos behind those Christmas morning smiles (or disappointed tears).