SYSK’s Fall True Crime Playlist: The Unsolved Indiana Dunes Disappearances

Summary

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SYSK’s Fall True Crime Playlist: The Unsolved Indiana Dunes Disappearances

Podcast: Stuff You Should Know
Hosts: Josh Clark & Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant
Date: September 26, 2025

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Overview

In this episode, Josh and Chuck dive into one of America's more obscure true crime mysteries: the Indiana Dunes disappearances. On July 2, 1966, three young women vanished without a trace from a busy Lake Michigan beach in northwest Indiana, sparking an enduring and confounding case that is still unsolved today. The hosts break down the events, investigate the many leads and theories, and explore why this case remains such a disturbing enigma.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Introduction to the Case

• Josh introduces the story as "one of the sadder true crime episodes" (01:09), noting the lack of closure for the families.
• Chuck and Josh joke about starting a spin-off mystery show before getting into the case details (02:07).

The Victims and July 2, 1966

• Victims: Patricia Blau (21), Ann Miller (age debated between 19–22), and Renee Brule (married, c. 20/21) (06:39).
• Plan: The three traveled from suburban Chicago to Indiana Dunes State Park for a holiday weekend beach trip (06:28).
• Setting: The beach, packed with 9–10,000 people and thousands of boats on the July 4th weekend (08:25).

The Day They Disappeared

• Arrived by 10 AM, parked, and set up near a teenage couple who later became important witnesses (08:00–08:17).
• At around noon, the couple saw the women wading into the water, the last confirmed sighting (09:27).

Discovery of Their Absence

• The teenage couple, before leaving, notified a ranger about the women's unattended belongings (10:08).
• The ranger, and later authorities, assumed they were partying, but the three were never seen again (10:22–10:47).

Search and Initial Investigation

• When the women didn’t return by dusk, Patricia’s father called the ranger station, prompting a more serious response (13:02).
• Authorities found the car, personal items, and belongings left behind—suggesting no plans to leave for long (14:25).

"It seemed like the way they left their stuff that they were planning on just getting into the water and then coming back."
—Josh Clark, 14:44

• Major search began only after two days—a “critical failure” lamented as lost vital hours (16:13–16:32).

"Anybody who's ever seen [First 48] knows...those are the most critical hours in trying to solve a case..."
—Josh Clark, 16:34

• The extensive search—land, sea, and air, including local volunteers, police, Civil Air Patrol, and Coast Guard—yielded no clues (15:44–16:02).

Early Clues and Theories

• Only clue: In Renee's purse was a letter suggesting she might leave her husband, but family confirmed she’d often write such letters in anger without acting on them (16:58–17:54).
• Ann Miller was possibly pregnant, allegedly dating a married man—raising speculation about motives to disappear (18:14–19:03).

The Stables & Organized Crime Connection

• Both Ann and Patricia rode at a stable linked to Silas Jane, an infamous Chicago crime boss (19:13–19:58).
• Police speculated their proximity to violent criminals might be significant (20:47).

"They came in close contact with a really dangerous, violent criminal and his gang."
—Josh Clark, 20:47

New Leads: The Mysterious Boat(s)

• A couple (possibly the original teen witnesses) recalled seeing a well-tanned man in his early twenties arrive at noon in a white tri-hull runabout with turquoise interior (21:52–23:33).
• The witnesses saw the trio leave with the man on his boat. Other reports suggested they returned, ate, and later left again with three men on a cabin cruiser with its name sanded off (23:34–24:18).
• Found boat wreckage didn't match the suspect vessels, and no boat was reported missing (24:18–24:32).

"But they never found it. It just kind of vanished along with the women."
—Josh Clark, 29:51

• Home movies from the day appeared to confirm the women getting on a tri-hull runabout, lending credence to the story (25:58–26:35).

Investigative Dead Ends and Heartbreak

• Despite the solid description of the suspect boat, no owner ever came forward; it essentially vanished (29:29–29:56).
• Patricia’s father maintained a lifelong vigil, even chartering flights in search of clues (30:00–30:21, 30:56).

"He kept this vigil basically for the rest of his life..."
—Josh Clark, 30:19

• Nearly a decade later, a psychic provided an eerily accurate description of a cabin and lawn chair near the beach, but no bodies were found (31:42–32:05).

Theories and Speculations

Drowning or Accident

• Both Ann and Patricia were excellent swimmers (33:03), and the “drowning theory” is raised, but generally discounted due to the lack of bodies ever found (33:35–33:59).

Illegal Abortion

• Dick Wiley, a crime reporter, posited Ann was seeking an underground abortion on a boat—a theory the hosts find implausible (34:14–35:08).
• Real-life abortionists (Frank and Helen Largo) lived nearby, and their nephew matched the boat man’s description, but the abortion-on-boat theory is still "bonkers" (35:11–36:54).

Organized Crime Hit / Witness Elimination

• Silas Jane’s history of violence, car bombing, and possible insurance claim for a lost boat around the same time lend this theory traction (37:13–38:24).

“There is every reason to believe that this guy would have done that, looking at his history.”
—Charles W. ‘Chuck’ Bryant, 37:42

Voluntary Disappearance

• Patricia's brother (on Websleuths) theorized the three deliberately vanished, possibly aided by someone they didn’t know was tied to the Jane gang, ending in homicide (39:02–39:43).

Random Murder / Serial Killer

• Some posit the women fell victim to a serial killer, but no solid suspects. Richard Speck (infamous Chicago murderer) was in the area, but didn’t match the boat witness description or modus operandi (41:33–42:13).

Occam’s Razor and Lingering Mystery

• Hosts suggest Occam’s Razor points to an accident, but are troubled by the total lack of physical evidence (40:16–40:52).
• Ultimately, the women’s fate is a true mystery; all theories remain speculative.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "You could say this is a good one. I never heard of it." —Chuck Bryant, 02:11
• "The big criticism that's leveled today against the whole thing is that two full days passed before the search was mounted." —Josh Clark, 16:13
• "There is every reason to believe that this guy would have done that, looking at his history." —Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant, 37:42
• "It's also possible that they just went on a pleasure cruise with the wrong person who murdered them." —Josh Clark, 40:54

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Timeline of Important Segments

• Introduction to Disappearances: 01:09–02:11
• Victims Background, Day of Event: 06:13–08:00
• Crowded Beach, Last Sighting: 08:00–09:49
• Discovery of Absence, Belongings Found: 10:08–10:56
• Police Involvement, Search and Delay: 13:02–16:32
• Clues (Letter, Pregnancy, Stables): 16:58–19:58
• Organized Crime Angle: 19:59–21:00
• Boat(s) and Witnesses: 21:51–25:56
• Home Movie Evidence: 25:58–26:35
• The Boat Vanishes: 29:29–29:56
• Family's Search, Psychic Lead: 30:00–32:05
• Theory Roundup: 33:03–41:43

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Conclusion

Josh and Chuck deliver a deeply engaging and often heartbreaking account of the Indiana Dunes disappearances. With humor, candor, and careful consideration of the facts, they guide the listener through decades-old leads, enduring theories, and the lasting pain of unresolved mystery. The case stands as a haunting cautionary tale of how even in plain sight, people can vanish—leaving only questions in their wake.

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Transcript

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[Josh Clark]

The Indiana Dunes disappearance is one of the lesser known cases in American true crime. One day in July 1966, three women went for a day at the beach along Lake Michigan in northwest Indiana, not too far from Chicago. They vanished that day and no trace of them has turned up since. It's one of our sadder true crime episodes because not only are the women presumed dead, their families never got even a hint of resolution. Listen to this one and see what you think happened.

[Podcast Announcer]

Welcome to Stuff youf Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio's How Stuff Works.

[Josh Clark]

Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. There's Josh T. Guest producing away over there. And that makes this stuff you should know. Super duper Mysterious Mystery Edition.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

That's right.

[Josh Clark]

This is a super mysterious one. Super duper.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

You could say this is a good one. I never heard of it.

[Josh Clark]

I hadn't either.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Maybe we should have a spin off show just about mysteries and missing persons.

[Josh Clark]

I've long thought that. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

But then everyone's like, no, just put them on. Stuff you should know.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, every once in a while. Pepper it.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Well, you got to spin it out, right? Spin it off.

[Josh Clark]

What did they say? The Cleveland Show?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Oh, man, I never watched that. Was it good?

[Josh Clark]

I never watched it either.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

You weren't a Family Guy fan though, were you?

[Josh Clark]

I mean, it's fine, but no, I wasn't a fan. Yeah. All right. What about Laverne and Shirley. What is this?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Laverne and Shirley spin off from Happy Days, Right?

[Josh Clark]

That's right, Chuck. Let's do this.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

And Morgan, Mindy spun off, too.

[Josh Clark]

Mm. What is this? Too Close for Comfort.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Was that his bit off?

[Josh Clark]

You got this, man.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Too Close for Comfort. He wasn't. No. I don't know. What was it?

[Josh Clark]

Oh, no, I'm sorry.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

I was about to say I don't think that's right.

[Josh Clark]

What is this, the Ropers?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Oh, well, sure. Priest. Company.

[Josh Clark]

Okay.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

What is this? Aftermatch?

[Josh Clark]

I thought. I thought Too Close for Comfort was a spin off. I think it might be.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Well, my first guess was it was. Might have been Ted Knight's character from the Mary Tyler Moore Show.

[Josh Clark]

Man, that was such a good spin.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

But that's not true, because in Too Close for Comfort, he was a cartoonist.

[Josh Clark]

That's right. Remember? Yeah.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

And the only thing I remember. Well, I remember a lot about that show because I loved it. I was in love with those daughters, man.

[Josh Clark]

I don't remember them.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

I mean, that was the whole setup. Is that their daughters lived in the same house or next door or something caused trouble. Yeah, you know, they were just a couple of hellraisers. Hellraising beauties. And who was the guy that was so great?

[Josh Clark]

I think you're talking about Charles in Charge.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

No, I'm thinking of Too Close for Comfort. But he was a cartoonist, and he would wear college sweatshirts as part of his character, and he wore a Georgia Bulldog sweatshirt one time, and I was. I thought it was the coolest thing ever. I was like, how did they know that that's a thing?

[Josh Clark]

You're like, I'm basically on TV right now.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

That's what it felt like.

[Josh Clark]

Oh, man. All right.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Monroe. That was him. The Monroe character. Jim J. Bullock.

[Josh Clark]

Ted Knight.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. No, Ted Knight was the lead.

[Josh Clark]

The main guy. Jim Jay Bullock, man. What was he, Hollywood Squares?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Sure. Among other things. Like Too Close for Comfort.

[Josh Clark]

Does this count as a tangent if we haven't actually gotten started?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

No, this is a preamble.

[Josh Clark]

Okay. Preamble.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

Preface.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. This is a good one. And you put this together. Where'd you get most of this stuff?

[Josh Clark]

Wrote it myself. Oh, well, there's one part that I was like, here, this is just easier if I copy and paste from a Chicago Tribune article from 1987.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

I read that one.

[Josh Clark]

It's very good. That's one of the things about this case is anyone who kind of gets involved in this will see there is not a lot of information out there.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. And funny enough, one of the biggest mysteries of this whole thing is what kind of boat that was, which we'll get to.

[Josh Clark]

That was my bad.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Well, no, man. I saw in a couple of other articles that called this boat a trimaran, which is very much a catamaran.

[Josh Clark]

Right. They made the same. The same.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

So they were just wrong.

[Josh Clark]

Yes.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Okay.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, because it's the same thing. I saw a tri hold. I was like, oh, it's a Tricat, which is a sailboat. And that's what I thought it was. No, there's a tri hold speedboat called the Runabout that was kind of big in the 60s.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Well, more specifically, it's a tri hulled runabout. A runabout doesn't necessarily mean it has three hulls.

[Josh Clark]

Okay.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

But those are my favorite boats in the world. So these 50s and 60s fiberglass runabouts, this is. They're amazing.

[Josh Clark]

50S and 60s runabout of all time.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

With three holes, you thought one was crazy. Just get ready for three.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

So, yeah, the boat will come up. And I had to mark out Tri Cat in just about 75 places.

[Josh Clark]

I'm very sorry. That was again, my bad.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

So what we're talking about here, finally now, is the disappearance of three young women in suburban Chicago in the mid-1960s at Indiana Dunes State park on Lake Michigan.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. Now it's Indiana Dunes National Seashore, National Lakes Shore, National Lake Shore, but at the time it was a state park. And this is Saturday, July 2, 1966.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

That's right. The three women. There was a 21 year old named Patricia Blau.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, I think so.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

She got in her car, which was an 11 year old at this point. Buick Sedan, 1955 Buick, went to pick up her friends, Ann Miller, at her house. She lived with her folks. And then to her other friend, Renee Brule, who was the only one who was married, went to pick her up at her house. They were 19 and 20. And they were like 19 and 21. I think one of them was 22. At least 19. 20 and 21 is.

[Josh Clark]

Oh, is that right?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Okay, but those are nitpicky details.

[Josh Clark]

Sure.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

They were all late teens, early twenties.

[Josh Clark]

Wait a minute. Did you just call me nitpicky?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

No. No, no, no.

[Josh Clark]

I think you did.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

No.

[Josh Clark]

Okay. Did you just call me a liar on national tv?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Tv?

[Josh Clark]

I think you just did.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Ann and Patricia were friends. They were horse riders, and they were friends from these horse stables. But they were all three buddies. Not since grade school, but for the last couple of years, it seems like Right.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. And they all lived around Chicago, and that's where they were traveling about 60 miles, 80 miles I've seen both to Indiana Dunes State park to just basically go hang out on the beach that day. Again, it was Saturday. It was the July 4th weekend.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Crowded. Yeah, super crowded.

[Josh Clark]

They were just going to the beach to have some fun. Most people think they got to the beach by 10am Parked the Buick, hiked over the dunes on the kind of rickety boardwalk over to the beach and set up camp, I think about 100 yards from shore. That's a pretty substantial beach.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Wow.

[Josh Clark]

Either there they hiked 100 yards and set up near the beach. It might be the latter of the two.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

That sounds more Right.

[Josh Clark]

And on this weekend, again, because it was July 4th weekend, the beach was just absolutely packed. And this is Lake Michigan, which is a pretty. Pretty big lake. And this beach itself or this park itself, I think is like 26 miles of shoreline or something like that. But even still, there's like 9,000 people on the beach that weekend.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah, I saw nine to 10,000 people, four to 5,000 cars in the parking lots, and four to 6,000 boats in the water. So packed, Just packed. It's like Jaws or something up in there.

[Josh Clark]

Right.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Amity Island, 4th of July.

[Josh Clark]

So Renee and Patty set up shop, put down their beach blanket just kind of close by to this teenage couple who are like their beach neighbors.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Imagine. Everyone was pretty close.

[Josh Clark]

Sure.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Kind of with that many people.

[Josh Clark]

Cheek, elbow to jowl. Isn't that what that's called?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Sure.

[Josh Clark]

Okay. And this teenage couple kind of factor in big time, but just kind of note their presence for now.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

That's right.

[Josh Clark]

So about noon, Chuck. Well, actually, the teenage couple factor in now. They noticed that the three women were wading into the water about noon. So I guess for about two hours, they're just kind of hanging out in the sun. They got hot enough to go into the water about noon.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

That's right. And that was the last time that this couple saw them.

[Josh Clark]

Maybe.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Perhaps the day went on, they never came back. This teenage couple said their stuff's still laying here. You know, they may be off partying somewhere. So, you know, they didn't think, like, these three young ladies are missing and perhaps murdered.

[Josh Clark]

I think they were worried that their stuff might get stolen.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah, I think it was as innocent as that.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. The teenage couple, they were about to leave. They didn't want to just leave it there. They felt kind of somehow responsible for it. Like you will.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. Which is what you did in 1966.

[Josh Clark]

Or today still, if you're a decent person.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

That's right. So they went to a ranger and they said, hey, these young women were here. They left their stuff. The ranger thought the same thing. He's like, well, let me just take care of this stuff and collect it and so it doesn't get stolen. They're probably off partying. But that was the last that anyone saw these three young women. No one to this day knows what happened. They vanished literally without a trace.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, there's never been any evidence of what happened to them. No trace of them, no nothing. Nothing from that point on.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

I think we should take an earlier break because of that dumb long preamble. And this is a great little spot for a cliffhanger. Okay, so we'll be right back.

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[Josh Clark]

Okay, Chuck. So about 18 hours after that park ranger collected their things, I'd say around dusk, a call came in to Indiana Dunes State Park Ranger Station. And it was from Harold Blaw or Blau, Patty's father. And he wanted to know if the rangers had seen his daughter because she had been reported missing by her family back in Chicago, like, you know, a few hours before.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah, so they went through her stuff the rangers did. They found a set of car keys that had a little miniature Illinois license plate that matched a license plate in the parking lot. Either a great coincidence, or you could get those custom made at some little beach shop right which is probably what happened. So they find her car. They found her Buick there in the parking lot. Indiana State police say, we're gonna take over here because it's pretty clear that this is a missing person's case.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. And so it was obvious that they had never left the park, or at least they hadn't left in the car. Right. And they left their car. They left their stuff. That's suddenly very highly suspicious. The idea that they were just off partying is suddenly kind of a tenuous theory, you know?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. Like, left all their stuff, like purses and personal stuff.

[Josh Clark]

We should talk a little bit about that. They left. Yeah. Money in their wallets. They left their transistor radio. They left their magazines open. They left their suntan lotion. It seemed like the way they left their stuff that they were planning on just getting into the water and then coming back from the water, and then that was that.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Right.

[Josh Clark]

There didn't seem to be any kind of forethought to their stuff. And then the fact that their car was still there, and this was a full day after they had last been seen. It was suspicious.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Like, if they were going to party, they would have said at least, like, oh, let me grab my purse.

[Josh Clark]

Right. By now, a night had come and gone, and the next day, it was already halfway done, and they. There was nothing. That'd be a hell of a party.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yes.

[Josh Clark]

So people started to get kind of worried, and they started to search the park, and they couldn't find them anywhere. And that's when the police became involved, when it was obvious that they were no longer in this park, even though they didn't seem to have left. Which means they just kind of vanished.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. And they had a pretty big search party. They had soldiers volunteering from a missile base. They had, obviously, the sheriff had the civil Air patrol get involved. I think Patty's dad was a. Was he a pilot?

[Josh Clark]

He was a colonel.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

He's a colonel in the civil air patrol. Coast guard gets involved. Dive teams, airplanes, helicopters, sheriff's posse on horseback. Yeah. Like, they had people combing this area.

[Josh Clark]

They went back to the 19th century to get people to search.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

They searched about 250 cabins in the area. They had a dune buggy trolling the seashore at night, seeing if bodies were washing. Or the lake shore seeing if bodies were washing ashore.

[Josh Clark]

Like, it was a land, sea, and air search of this area. And it was a pretty extensive area, but it was a really extensive search. The big criticism that's leveled today against the whole thing is that two Full days passed before the search was mounted.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

This is July 5th, the first 48.

[Josh Clark]

First 48. Anybody who's ever seen that show knows, like, those are the most critical moments or the most critical hours in trying to solve a case, because it gets colder and colder with every hour that passes.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

So that was a big thing. And one of the. One of the most startling things about this case is that search turned up nothing.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

No evidence of what happened to them at all.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. The first little clue that they found wasn't something they found while searching. But inside Renee Bruhl's purse that she left behind, there was a letter that she had written to her husband that was kind of like, I've had it with you. All you do is work on your hot rods and party with your friends, and I'm kind of done hinting that she wanted to leave the marriage. The cop, you know, obviously that's gonna be a suspicious kind of thing to find, saying, go talk to the husband. And they interviewed the husband and the family, and everyone seemed to agree, like, hey, things aren't perfect. But she probably wrote that letter when she was really upset. She didn't give it to me. I might work on my hot rods a little too much, but I didn't kill my wife, and our marriage is fine overall. And then the cops believed it.

[Josh Clark]

Well, her family backed that up, too.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

They're like everyone's.

[Josh Clark]

They don't have marital troubles. This seems like something Renee would have done.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Right.

[Josh Clark]

And then just forgotten she even had the note. So the cops cleared her husband of being involved in any wrongdoing, but it raised a long standing theory that's still around today, that we'll talk about theories later that possibly Renee ran off. And if Rene ran off to kind of start a new life or whatever, maybe the other women had too.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Maybe.

[Josh Clark]

Maybe.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

So another interesting thing they learned. Ann Miller was, by all accounts, about three months pregnant and had talked to.

[Josh Clark]

Her friends, by some accounts, not all.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

Like, her closest friends had said she.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Said she was pregnant. Right. But I don't think they had, like, physical evidence of, like, a pregnancy test.

[Josh Clark]

Right, Right.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

So they said that she had. Friends said that she had talked about having to go live in a home for unwed mothers. She was sort of up against the wall with this. Obviously, in the mid-60s, it was not a great thing to be an unwed mother. And possibly. We don't know this either for sure, but she was dating a married man, and it could have been his baby, which would have been problematic as well.

[Josh Clark]

Right. Another good reason to R u N N O F t. That's right. Okay, so now two of them have a motive to run off and start a new life.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. And we should also mention, too, that Patty was also dating a married man, supposedly, and they both were buddies from this horse stable. And it turns out there was a real scumbag. I looked into this guy more this Silas Jane. He was a rapist. He was linked to the murder of three boys. He was linked to the murder of the Grimes sisters. He was looked into for the disappearance of some heiress in Chicago. He had a hit put out on his brother. He had a firebomb planted in this other woman's car. Like, this is a bad, bad dude. And he had an affiliation with this horse stable.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. His brother, I believe, owned the horse stable.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

And Cy was, like, the organized crime boss running the criminal ring out of the horse stable. And this was the stable that Ann and Patty rode their horses at. I think Ann was actually. She had a job as a horse exerciser at these stables. So they were, like, really involved in, like, just rubbing elbows with this organized crime ring. And so cops were like, well, wait a minute. This is kind of huge. Like, you know, as far as looking into their backgrounds, this was the biggest red flag the cops had turned up, for sure, that they were known. Not that they were, like criminals themselves, but just that they came in close contact with a really dangerous, violent criminal and his gang.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. And one of the later theories was that they witnessed the rigging of the firebomb on this car of this woman, and they had to be taken care of. But we'll get to the theories later.

[Josh Clark]

Sure. So as they start, these were, like, the leads that the investigation turned up. But the cops also very wisely involved the media pretty early on, and so other leads started to come in, and, you know, there's the usual, like, oh, I saw them in Pontiac, Michigan, getting off of a bus, or they were all in my drugstore, alive and well, you know, last week, even though they've been missing for three weeks, that kind of thing. But. But there were some solid leads that came in, and one of the big ones was a call from a couple from Indianapolis who'd been on the beach that day. And I think this is the problem with this. There's so little writing about this that you kind of have to piece together. I'm pretty sure that this is the same teenage couple that were their beach neighbors.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Okay.

[Josh Clark]

I'm pretty sure they said that they saw them go into the water at noon. And while they were hanging out in the water, a man probably in his early 20s, with dark wavy hair, well tanned, came up in a tri hold runabout ski boat, which is just stop and look up. Tri Hole Runabout, 1960s. And some will come up. They're really cool looking like. It looks like a boat that Frank Sinatra would drive around on a lake.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Totally.

[Josh Clark]

And it's the kind of lake that you would, if you were like an early 20s guy, pick up like girls at the lake in. It's just like a fun, cool, zippy boat.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yes. And side note, if you are turned on by those boats like I am, you can find these things and buy them for like 1200 bucks.

[Josh Clark]

Yes. These old fiberglass boats and engage in mechophilia.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

You can. You can't buy the old wooden boats. You can, but not for 1200 bucks.

[Josh Clark]

Oh, okay.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Those are really expensive.

[Josh Clark]

But the fiberglass ones you can get for fairly cheap. Yeah, well, that's what this guy supposed.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

To do and like restore it and, you know.

[Josh Clark]

Sure.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

It's pretty cool.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. Are you going. Are you saying that this is what you're gonna do now?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

No, I'm not saying that, but I'm just. I've looked into it because they're just so, like, stylish and cool.

[Josh Clark]

They are.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

And they had like, this one was turquoise interior. They all have those, like. I like the red one, 60s sort.

[Josh Clark]

Of colors and diamond dusted upholstery.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. Yeah. They're pretty sweet.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. So, yeah, this is a white tri hole runabout with turquoise interior. And that this couple from Indianapolis who called in later said that they saw the three women get on the boat with this guy and drive off.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. So that's a big one.

[Josh Clark]

Huge.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

They also get another report from witnesses who said these girls came back at some point, got something to eat, and were hanging out on the beach. And then a third lead that came in and said they actually got on another boat, this big cabin cruiser, and this was about 3pm with three dudes. And the boat didn't have a name on it that we could discern. So in that first week, they get some boat wreckage, it washes ashore, some styrofoam, some seats, an oil can, looked probably like a busted or wrecked boat. But the police said, listen, we got two boats we're targeting here. And none of the stuff from this wreckage or potential wreckage is from those boats.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, they didn't think so at least. Yeah, right. But the weird thing about that boat wreckage is that no Boat was reported wrecked that weekend on Lake Michigan. Certainly not in the area around Indiana Dunes State Park.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

That's right.

[Josh Clark]

That's a big one. And then secondly, like you said, it doesn't seem to match any of the boats that they were looking for. So if you step back and take these leads all together, a timeline, a possible timeline emerges where Patty Ann and Renee wade out into the water around noon, go on, like, a little pleasure cruise on the little trihole runabout. Shortly after, come back to shore, go get something to eat, hang out, and then at 3, go out in another boat, a bigger boat, which is possibly also manned by the same guy who was in the Tryhole roundabout with a couple of his friends.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

And that boat definitely had the name sanded off of it, which was a huge red flag.

[Josh Clark]

Exactly. It's very fishy.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

They found sandpaper and red paint on the beach that had been sanded off.

[Josh Clark]

So the cabin cruiser seems to have been largely disincluded from suspicion by the cops. Because from what I saw, the cops talk to some guys, three guys in a cabin cruiser who were there that day who said, we tried to pick up some girls and they wouldn't go. One of them said, I'm married, I can't go. And none of them did. Could have been them, maybe. The other thing that really kind of seemed to have disincluded the cabin cruiser was that someone was actually filming. This is 1966. They were filming home movies on the beach that day.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah, that was inevitable, I think.

[Josh Clark]

You think so?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah, sure.

[Josh Clark]

I found it astounding.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Oh, really?

[Josh Clark]

Yeah.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

No, man. That's where all those old great color Super 8 films. I bet there were 10 of those cameras on the beach that day.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, you're probably right now.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

And they were. This guy was, you know, because he was filming the day. He was doing a lot of panning back and forth, which was very fortuitous because it kind of proved out some of this stuff they saw. And of course, this is old film, and it wasn't like zoomed in or anything, but they did see what looked like these three women on this little runabout, just like everyone said. So that was like, a pretty good find.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, the cabin cruiser, they're like, it looks like there's three women on there. And they could be similar, but maybe they don't think so. So the cops seem to have zeroed in on that. The three women waded out into the water around noon. The guy came up in the trihole runabout shortly after they got on the Trihole Runabout. And that was the last time anyone saw them.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. And apparently too, it wouldn't have been the weirdest thing in 1966, like to go off with a stranger on his boat. The thing I read said that dudes are always pulling up on their boat and like, hey ladies, you know, let's take a ride.

[Josh Clark]

That sounds like the 70s.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Fourth of July. It's fun. Sounds like the 70s. Yeah, yeah, maybe, sure. Or the 80s.

[Josh Clark]

Right? What about the. No, not the 90s.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Not the 90s. People were not boating in the 90s. Should we take another break?

[Josh Clark]

Oh, sure.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

All right, let's take another break and we'll talk about the further investigations right after this.

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[Josh Clark]

So, Chuck, one more thing about the boat that we should say is despite having eyewitnesses, despite having film seemingly show them in this boat, nothing ever came of it.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah, and the cops even put out the word. They were like, surely someone knows this boat or this boat owner. It's a tri hull, turquoise interior. Not a crazy boat. But not the most common thing in the world.

[Josh Clark]

Right. But they never found it. It just kind of vanished along with the women.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah, you should write mystery novels. That's pretty good.

[Josh Clark]

Do you think so? Yeah. Thanks. So the weeks and months wore on and as it did, there are fewer and fewer people actively looking for them. As it happens, it just happens that way. Sadly, Harold Blau kept this vigil basically for the rest of his life. He just kept.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

That stuff is always just Heartbreaking.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. I don't know if he kept actively searching, but I know he did some traveling even later on in life to go check out leads that he'd heard about. He kept in contact with cops and reporters who were working the case. And even afterward, after other groups stopped searching, he chartered his own plane so that he could fly reconnaissance flights looking for evidence. All to nothing. He never found any trace of his daughter or what happened. And he was convinced that. That all of them were dead or they were being held against their will.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Right. He was like, my daughter, he said, we're not overbearing parents. He's like, she's got all the freedom in the world to do what she wants. She wouldn't have to run away because we're the coolest, basically. There was a psychic that got in touch, and this is pretty interesting. A psychic said, I visualize a cabin on Lake Michigan, not too far from the beach. Blanket with dark colored sand, rickety wooden stairs up from the beach. The cabin's on a bluff, and it has a lawn chair outside with its bottom out. One of the cops investigated, drove as far as he could drive, then did some hiking and found a cabin that met this exact description, right down to the chair with the bottom rotted out.

[Josh Clark]

And this was nine years later.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah, I mean, you hear stuff like that, you're like, man, I don't believe in psychics calling the cops with clues, being super accurate. But it turns out there was no body there because she said to dig, and they dug for three days and found nothing. But unless it was a prank, it was a weirdly, eerily accurate description.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, if you have an old abandoned cottage, is there like.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

A 50, 50 chance there's going to be a lawn chair with the bottom exactly rusted out?

[Josh Clark]

That's my theory.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Maybe it could be coincidence.

[Josh Clark]

I'm with you, though. It is pretty interesting at the very least. So the case remains open. And again, not a hint, not a trace. Nothing has ever surfaced, metaphorically or literally, that suggests what happened to those three women. And so theories have been allowed to kind of grow and take different shape and be argued over. And there's like a handful. Most of them are fairly sensible, actually. Some are kind of pedestrian, some are kind of sensational. But because no evidence has ever come forward, each one's just about as likely as the other.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. And.

[Josh Clark]

Well.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

I think we should mention before we do that that drowning Miller and Blau were both really good swimmers.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. Like super good.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. And I think that's supposed to be 20 to 30 minutes, right? Surely not. Miles.

[Josh Clark]

I saw miles. Really? Yeah. Let me look. You do some tap dancing?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

That's like serious elite athlete endurance swimming.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was miles. Okay, I'm looking, I'm looking. I don't want to get too nitpicky, but.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Well, if they were swimming 30 miles, then they were international champion athletes.

[Josh Clark]

Okay.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

So regardless, they probably did not drown. It is possible that the boat crashed and they did drown and washed up somewhere. Because, you know, LAKE Michigan is huge, 16, 40 miles of shoreline. It is the deadliest of the Great Lakes. But it's possible that they washed up somewhere and didn't, you know, weren't ever found.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, because remember, that search didn't start for two full days after they were noticed to be missing.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Right. So that's one of the more mundane theories. It gets a little more sensational when you look at Dick Wiley's theory.

[Josh Clark]

Right. Dick Wiley was a crime reporter who basically, I guess he reported on the case almost from the outset and really stuck with it for years and years and years. And he developed a theory that Ann Miller being pregnant. It was Ann who was pregnant, right?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

That Ann Miller had gone out there with her girlfriends that day because she planned on getting an illegal underground abortion.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

This sounds very not believable to me.

[Josh Clark]

So, yeah, a lot of people don't believe it, but because so little has been written about this case and this guy is one of the kind of authorities on it, there is some credence to it.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Not that she would have gone to get an underground abortion, but that would be performed on a boat.

[Josh Clark]

That's the big, huge. One of the huge flaws in that.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

It just seems weird.

[Josh Clark]

I can't imagine a more terrible place to perform a delicate procedure like an abortion on a houseboat on 4th of.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

July in Lake Michigan.

[Josh Clark]

Well, that's another thing, too. Okay, so what Wiley's theory is that Ann went out there to get this abortion, and Patty and Renee went there as moral support.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Right.

[Josh Clark]

And they went out and met this guy who took them to the houseboat for the abortion to be performed. Well, the abortion was botched, killing Ann. And the abortionists said, well, we've got to kill you two now as well. And they got rid of all three bodies, and that's what happened to them.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

That'd make a heck of a movie.

[Josh Clark]

There are a lot of holes in this theory, including the fact that why would you perform an abortion on a houseboat? But there is some things that kind of give It a little bit of credence. In particular, there was a couple named the Largos. What was it? I always want to call her Wanda. But it wasn't. Was it Helen?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

I don't know.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, it is Helen. Actually. Frank and Helen Largo. They actually did have an underground abortion clinic in 1966 in Gary, Indiana, which was very close to the state park. And their nephew Ralph bore a striking resemblance to the description of the man in his early 20s who came up in the Trihole runabout.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Right. And I think Ralph is verified as being there that day as well.

[Josh Clark]

And he lived with Frank and Helen Largo. So Wiley's theory that like this guy came up and got them to take them to go get this procedure done again, why would you do it on a houseboat when Your clinic is 20 miles away?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

And then secondly, why would you set up this kind of highly illegal procedure in front of that many witnesses? And then thirdly, why would they leave their stuff on the beach the way that they did if they knew they were going for this appointment?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. This theory is bonkers to me.

[Josh Clark]

Okay, so we'll discard Wiley's theory.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. The other one obviously was the Silas Jane, the criminal dude from the stables. People say that they think that they may have witnessed the car bombing of Sheryl Lynn Rood and that he was just getting rid of them and snuffing them out. There is every reason to believe that this guy would have done that, looking at his history. If they did possibly witness this rigging of a car bomb.

[Josh Clark]

He also had an associate who supposedly bore a resemblance to the man in the Tri Hole runabout.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Tan, wavy hair.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. Early 20s. And I saw this. And I could not verify it elsewhere, but there is a widespread rumor that. Or an unsubstantiated claim that that associate to Cy Jane, Silas Jane, put in an insurance claim for a boat that had gone down around that time.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Interesting.

[Josh Clark]

Which would definitely account for things. It would also account for why there was no boat reported missing. You wouldn't report a boat missing if you used it to cover up a triple homicide.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. Because that's the biggest thing to me is if there were other people on this boat and it was an accident, someone would have said, hey, my dark haired, wavy haired son is missing and he has this boat.

[Josh Clark]

And there were no missing persons in ports aside from those three.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

And what's more, even if that guy was just a total loner who had no friends or family, somebody would say a boat like that probably would have Been towed by car and trailer. And that car and trailer would have just been left there over time, and somebody would have noticed that there's this abandoned car and trailer hanging out in the parking lot at the state park. Nothing like that ever turned up.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. The other theory in regards to Silas Jane is that these young women did witness this car bombing and knew that they needed to disappear before they were disappeared on purpose, and they faked their own disappearance.

[Josh Clark]

And that's Patty Blau's brother's theory.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Oh, yeah?

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. He showed up on a forum called Websleuths, and apparently he's verified. He's like, yes, I am her brother.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

And he said that he thinks that they did go to stage this disappearance, but that the guy who was going to help them was actually in the employ of Silas Jane. And this helping them disappear actually turned into this triple murder and that their bodies were disposed of. That's what her brother thinks.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

And the one who wasn't one of the stable people, Renee. Yeah. That she was just there to help them disappear. Got caught up in this.

[Josh Clark]

I don't know.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Because, like, why would she have gone out?

[Josh Clark]

I don't know. I mean, bad marriage. Who knows? Maybe it's a little thin, but I think it makes sense for his sister, the other two. It doesn't necessarily make as much sense for maybe for Anne if she saw. If she was in danger as well. I don't know.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

I think the most likely thing is it's like the Peter. Is it Peter principle?

[Josh Clark]

No, the Occam's razor.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Occam's razor. Is it the trolley problem? Occam's razor is that they drowned.

[Josh Clark]

I mean, that's possible.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

And didn't wash ashore.

[Josh Clark]

But here's the thing. In Lake Michigan's the deadliest great lake of all of them. All five. I think it accounts for. Out of all five, it accounts for half of the deaths in any given year. But most bodies do turn up. Most bodies are recovered. So if three of them or four or however many people were on that boat that bowed down, you'd think some trace of at least one of them would have eventually turned up. You would think so, you know?

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Yeah. It's a true mystery.

[Josh Clark]

It's also possible that they were taken away by somebody. They weren't planning on disappearing. They weren't planning on leaving. They just went on a pleasure cruise with the wrong person who murdered them.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Right.

[Josh Clark]

If a guy got three women out on a boat and got it out into the middle of nowhere on this enormous lake and Then pulled a gun on them. One person could conceivably stay in control of three under a situation like that. And sadly enough, that's a real possibility that that was their fate. They just went with the wrong person.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

That seems unlikely to me too, that like a serial killer just picked up three women.

[Josh Clark]

Here's the thing. There is one serial killer in particular that some people really like for this. His name's Richard Speck.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Oh, yeah.

[Josh Clark]

So Richard Speck is actually not a serial killer, he's a mass murderer. Because he killed eight women at a nursing college in one night, which makes him a mass murderer, not a serial killer. He did that on July 13, 1966 in Chicago. On July 2, 1966, he was dropped off at a dock about 20 miles away from Indiana Dunes State Park.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

He was not tan with dark wavy.

[Josh Clark]

Hair, though that is very true.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

He was a real creep, though.

[Josh Clark]

He was a super big creep. Had a terrible personality, not a charmer, not good looking. So the idea that he could get three women into a boat of his is kind of unlikely. Also, he was well known as a very sloppy, opportunistic killer. And that this, if they were killed by somebody, this seems to have been planned. The fact that their bodies never turned up suggests that if they were killed by somebody, they would have had to have planned to have killed them because they would have had to have brought along all the weights needed and all that stuff, whatever it is. Like any one of those theories is just as likely as the others.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Good stuff. Sad, tragic, but I love a good mystery.

[Josh Clark]

Yep. Well, if you want to know more about the disappearance of Patricia Blau, Ann Miller and Rene Brule, you can go read the Chicago Tribune article on it, the Northwest Indiana Times article, Web Sleuths and the Charlie Project. All those are great resources on this case. And since I said that, it's not time for listener mail.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

Hey guys, I'm writing to say thank you. You see, I recently divorced and I spent about half the time I used to spend with my three young kids. She goes, stay with me. I'm not going anywhere depressing. She said the divorce was the right move and we're co parenting quite amicably. And it's all good. I've got a full life and meaningful relationships and lots to do 90, 99% of the time. But the quiet of my day at times when it is a kid free house is something that's gotten some getting used to. I realize without even thinking about it that I've taken to playing old episodes like bizarre ways. To die.

[Josh Clark]

That's an oldie.

[Charles W. 'Chuck' Bryant]

That's a real oldie. She's like, just because they make me feel in a totally well adjusted and not insane way, like I'm in the company of pals. I've been a listener for about five years. Only recently have I come to appreciate that I am always cheered up and made to feel less lonely by hearing you guys talk to each other and to all of us in podcast listener land. So thanks for what you do. Thanks to the team who helps you like Jerry. You do a good thing for a lot of people and I appreciate it. Big hugs from Kathryn in Chicago.

[Josh Clark]

Chicago, Chicago. How appropriate. Thanks a lot Catherine. We really appreciate that. Good to hear. Keep on keeping on. Yeah, keep on trucking. If you want to get in touch with us like Catherine did to let us know how you're doing, we want to hear that you can go on to stuffyou should know.com check out our social links and you can send us an email to stuff podcastheartradio.com.

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