The Great Big Yarn of Mel's Hole

Summary

Summary of "The Great Big Yarn of Mel's Hole" – Stuff You Should Know

Released on July 15, 2025 by iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction to Mel's Hole

In the episode titled "The Great Big Yarn of Mel's Hole," hosts Josh Clark and Chuck Bryant delve into one of modern folklore's most intriguing urban legends: Mel's Hole. This mysterious tale centers around a purported bottomless pit located in Ellensburg, Washington, and has captivated the imaginations of listeners for years.

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The Origin of the Legend

Josh Clark [00:25]:
"Josh, and there's Chuck. And Jerry's here, too. And this is a. Well, yeah, an episode of Stuff you Should Know."

Chuck Bryant introduces the story with enthusiasm, highlighting its blend of the paranormal and the inexplicable.

Chuck Bryant [00:52]:
"No, I mean, I'm excited in that it is completely preposterous and silly, but in the fun, tinfoil hat, paranormal sort of way that those are fun."
— (00:52)

The hosts describe Mel Waters’ claim of owning a property with an extraordinary hole, sparking curiosity and skepticism alike.

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Characteristics of Mel's Hole

Josh Clark [04:00]:
"It's got. It's not your average hole, for sure."
— (04:00)

Mel's Hole is described as being approximately 9 feet in diameter, initially lined with stone before transitioning into soil and rock. A 3.5-foot tall barrier wall encloses it, a structure built by a previous owner to prevent accidental entry.

Chuck Bryant [05:01]:
"And I'm sure, you know, you listen to this stuff as well. And so we can both verify that he comes across as credible, even to our sort of skeptical ears, for sure."
— (05:01)

Mel Waters is portrayed not as a typical conspiracy enthusiast but as a genuinely perplexed property owner seeking answers about the hole's origins and properties.

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Unexplained Phenomena Surrounding the Hole

Chuck Bryant [06:06]:
"But if you drop stuff in it, you can't hear anything."
— (06:06)

Regular dumping of various objects into the hole—from dead livestock to appliances—has never resulted in the hole filling up or producing audible sounds, adding to its enigmatic nature.

Josh Clark [06:49]:
"A beam of blackness. Not a beam of light. A beam of basically a void shooting out of the hole."
— (06:49)

Witnesses have reported seeing a mysterious black beam emanating from the hole, an occurrence that defies conventional explanations and deepens the mystery.

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The Silent Gun and Time-Traveling Radio

One of the most perplexing elements introduced is a World War II-era German Walther P38 gun found buried near the hole.

Chuck Bryant [09:23]:
"Apparently the gun shot silently. I wonder what that means."
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When fired, the gun produces no sound, defying the basic physics of firearms.

Furthermore, the gun exhibits bizarre behavior with a nearby radio:

Josh Clark [10:09]:
"It would produce a sound that was, quote, out of time."
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Radio broadcasts from different times and places interfere with the gun's operation, suggesting an inexplicable connection between the two.

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Government Interference and Property Seizure

As Mel investigates further, government involvement intensifies.

Chuck Bryant [17:43]:
"They said, that's not going to happen. And this isn't necessarily your property."
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Officials block Mel from accessing his property, citing a non-existent plane crash as the reason, which Mel disputes vehemently. This encounter heightens suspicions of deeper government secrets tied to the hole.

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The Tumor Seal Incident

The narrative takes a darker turn with the introduction of the "tumor seal," a creature with human-like eyes found within the hole.

Chuck Bryant [35:07]:
"It was cooked from the inside out, evidently. But in the internal organs place was a giant tumor."
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Upon dissecting the deceased sheep retrieved from the hole, investigators discover a bizarre tumor housing what appears to be a fetal seal possessing human eyes. This creature exhibits unnerving behavior, such as communicating with the investigators and showing a desire to return to the hole.

Josh Clark [36:48]:
"It was an 18-inch long fetal seal with human-like eyes that healed Mel's esophageal cancer."
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This event not only adds a layer of horror but also ties into claims of miraculous healing associated with the hole.

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Expeditions and Continued Mysteries

Efforts to locate Mel's Hole culminate in organized expeditions, including one led by Gerald "Red Elk" Osborne.

Chuck Bryant [39:20]:
"He was claiming he was an intertribal shaman, which means he was white."
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Despite extensive searches, participants conclude that Mel's Hole, as described, does not physically exist, raising questions about its origin as a potential elaborate hoax or folklore.

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The Evolution of the Legend in the Internet Age

With the rise of the internet, Mel's Hole morphs into an expansive mythos, complete with fabricated evidence and sensational claims.

Chucks Bryant [45:45]:
"Legend has it it was a cave painting of a Cybertruck."
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Online narratives introduce figures like Elon Musk deploying drones to uncover the hole's secrets, further fueling speculation and blending fact with fiction.

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Conclusion: Theater or Truth?

Despite the captivating storyline, hosts Josh Clark and Chuck Bryant ultimately view Mel's Hole as a work of imaginative storytelling rather than a factual account.

Josh Clark [46:40]:
"That's our assessment that it is theater."
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They acknowledge the enduring fascination with the legend but maintain a skeptical stance on its authenticity, suggesting it serves as a compelling piece of modern folklore.

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Notable Quotes

• Chuck Bryant [00:52]:
  "I'm excited in that it is completely preposterous and silly, but in the fun, tinfoil hat, paranormal sort of way that those are fun."

• Josh Clark [06:49]:
  "A beam of blackness. Not a beam of light. A beam of basically a void shooting out of the hole."

• Chuck Bryant [35:07]:
  "It was cooked from the inside out, evidently. But in the internal organs place was a giant tumor."

• Josh Clark [46:40]:
  "That's our assessment that it is theater."

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Final Thoughts

"The Great Big Yarn of Mel's Hole" serves as a fascinating exploration of urban legend, blending paranormal intrigue with investigative skepticism. While the story of Mel's Hole captivates with its mysterious elements and reported phenomena, the hosts' analytical approach encourages listeners to discern between myth and reality.

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Transcript

[iHeartRadio]

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[Josh Clark]

Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck. And Jerry's here, too. And this is a. Well, yeah, an episode of Stuff youf Should Know.

[Chuck Bryant]

I have to say I'm fairly excited about this one.

[Josh Clark]

Oh, good. I'm so glad. I couldn't tell because sometimes you're just like, this is. Is so stupid when it's.

[Chuck Bryant]

Oh, it is.

[Josh Clark]

Okay. But I'm. Well, yeah, but you're not excited about how stupid it is, so I'm glad. I'm really glad to hear that because I am, too.

[Chuck Bryant]

No, I mean, I'm excited in that it is completely preposterous and silly, but in the fun, tinfoil hat, paranormal sort of way that those are fun.

[Josh Clark]

So maybe we should start over again, because I feel like we've really, like, released a spoiler here that this is probably just a story, a yarn. I was going to save that for the end. Well, we're talking about. Actually, the way that we're approaching it is one of the most interesting stories. Legends, modern urban legends, to come out of a show. A radio show that was well known for producing all sorts of urban legends and amazing stories. Coast to coast am.

[Chuck Bryant]

That's right. Its host was Art Bell. He himself, along with his wife, claimed that they had their own UFO encounter in the mid-90s. And the show started out in the 80s, was syndicated 93, and it was not. You know, it sounds like sort of a very niche thing, but it actually became very popular. And Art Bell became a very famous radio host.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, he was in ratings for a while there. I'm guessing the early to mid-90s. He was just behind Rush Limbaugh and Dr. Laura Schlesinger. That is as far as radio hosts go. And he started to retire in 2002. He finally did host his last episode in 2010, but the show continues on. Host George Newry took over full time in 2002, and he's still doing it. And the whole premise of the show was that you would fax Art Bell, or now George Nuri. I don't know if he still has the fax, but definitely Art Bell. You would. You would send him a fax and basically say, hey, I've got this crazy story. And if it was, you know, interesting to him, or he thought he wanted to know more about it or his audience would. He would give you a call and you guys would have a conversation. He would interview you on the phone live on air. And then eventually people could call in and ask you questions. That was pretty much the format of the show.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. And in this case of Mel Waters and his hole. And don't worry, it's not gonna be anything like that.

[Josh Clark]

No. Jerry was like, oh, this could go so many different ways, you guys.

[Chuck Bryant]

This was five conversations on this show over the span of five years. Again, the guy's name was Mel Waters, and he lived in Ellensburg, Washington, kind of right smack dab in the middle of Washington state. And he said, I have a hole on my property. This property I don't live at right now because there was some snow damage to the house there. So I live in town in an apartment or something, but on this property that I own, which is nine miles outside of Ellensburg, which is also rural in and of itself. He said it's up on the Manatash Ridge. And it's a very strange hole.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, it's got. It's not your average hole, for sure. And we're talking. Yes, thank you for saying that, because there's some people out there who are so twisted, they still didn't understand what kind of hole we're talking about. We're talking about a hole in the ground.

[Chuck Bryant]

Looks like a well.

[Josh Clark]

Sure. But way more different than a well. But, yes, you could liken it to a well because it's about 9ft in diameter. The first 15 or so feet down, it was stone. Right. So it was lined with stone. That's very. Well, like, then there was soil, then it turned into rock, and it had about a three and a half foot barrier wall around it to keep people from just walking right into it.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, very well.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. And Mel hadn't built that wall. The previous owner had. But one of the things that makes the story so interesting and caught the attention and imagination of so many people, it's super out there. But if you listen to Mel, he comes off as essentially as perplexed as you do. You know, he's like, this hole's been here since the dawn of time, apparently. And he's, you know, just kind of learned about it since he bought the property. And he has lots of questions about it. He's just reporting the stuff that he's learned.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, exactly. He doesn't come across as the usual sort of tinfoil hat type.

[Josh Clark]

Not at all. No, not at all.

[Chuck Bryant]

And I'm sure, you know, you listen to this stuff as well. And so we can both verify that he comes across as credible, even to our sort of skeptical ears, for sure. But like you said, he said it had been there a long time. The previous owner said it was there when he got there. Supposedly, it had been around since maybe the dawn of time. The European settlers apparently knew about it. The local indigenous people avoided it. They said it was cursed. Locals called it the Devil's Hole. And here's. That's all well and good, well and good. But here's where it gets interesting in that the properties of the hole and the things that surround the hole are really interesting, according to this story. First of which is he's like, hey, people have been dumping stuff in this hole for as long as I know. There's probably like 20 people that come around. They dump in dead livestock. They dump in appliances that don't work. There's a weekly truckload of old tires that get dumped in there. And this thing has never, ever filled up. And when you drop stuff in it, you can't hear anything.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, okay. It's pretty strange. I mean, but you could also chalk it up to just an exceptionally deep hole in the ground.

[Chuck Bryant]

Agreed.

[Josh Clark]

The thing is, there's even stranger properties to this hole. One of them is actually kind of hard to wrap your head around. A neighbor saw a black beam shooting out of the hole skyward. And I think it might have even been at night, but it was so black and absorbed so much of the light around it that it stood out at night. A beam of blackness. Not a beam of light. A beam of basically a void shooting out of the hole. And, I mean, if you ask your average hole expert, they're going to tell you that is unusual behavior for any hole.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. As Spinal Tap would say, it was none more black. I pictured the smoke monster from Lost.

[Josh Clark]

Personally, I hadn't started Lost, but thanks for that.

[Chuck Bryant]

You were going to get around to it.

[Josh Clark]

Any day now. I'll be on the lookout for the smoke monster.

[Chuck Bryant]

We also should have mentioned that apparently nothing echoed when you screamed into it. But those previous things you could explain, I guess, by it just being so deep, because an echo is created by hitting a bottom and bouncing back. So I don't really know if every deep, deep hole will echo back. But all that can kind of be explained. The black beam coming out is very, very strange and cannot be explained. And that's where it starts to go. Kind of truly weird.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. So he also. He was reporting information that he gathered from neighbors. You know, as this hole started to pique his interest, he wanted to learn more about it. And one neighbor said that there used to be stones lined up around the edge of it. And. And I guess that reminded Mel of Stonehenge. And he showed his neighbor a picture of Stonehenge and he said, yep, it was exactly like that, except it didn't have the stones, the lintels going across the top, laid down on top. And it's exactly that kind of detail that added credibility to Mel's story. None of it was whole hog like, yes, it looked exactly like Stonehenge. Chew on that. It didn't have the stones at top. Like just little. Little alterations like that that he would concede were just. Just kept it from. From just being totally unbelievable and eye rolly, I think, is what I'm trying to say.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. Unless you just attach this to it, said his elderly neighbor.

[Josh Clark]

Yes. Right. Or his nephew comes up later, he mentions his nephew, but his nephew never gains a name. It is very much like that, for sure.

[Chuck Bryant]

I think I would have been much more intrigued if there had been a photograph of any of this. But anyway, there wasn't. There was also. It gets a little stranger. There was a gun, a World War II era Walther P38, which was a German gun intended to replace the German Luger pistol. And he, as we'll learn Mel, was a. Was a gardener and worked in, like, medicinal herbs and things. So while he was digging around, he found this gun buried. And when he went to shoot it. And this is where I have a few questions. Apparently the gun shot silently. I wonder what that means. I wonder if it didn't make any sound at all or if it just sounded like it had a suppressor on it.

[Josh Clark]

No.

[Chuck Bryant]

Or if it just, you know, the actual, like, movement of the physical movement of the gun didn't even make a.

[Josh Clark]

Noise as I took it. It didn't make any noise whatsoever. But as bizarre as that sounds, it had even stranger properties too.

[Chuck Bryant]

That's right. If you put this gun down by radio, it becomes a time travel machine, because the radio would all of a sudden start playing just random radio broadcasts from different places and different times. Apparently, if you moved your hand away from the gun, the station would change and you had to hold very still to stay on the station. And if you stayed still for long enough and stayed on a station long enough, it would produce a sound that was, quote, out of time.

[Josh Clark]

Okay, now let's just bear this in mind, too. If you haven't listened to Mel's poll, I encourage you to go listen. There's like, it's all. It's five hours long. All of this unfolded over five years across five calls Like, Mel is not aware of what questions he's going to be asked by Art Bell. He's not aware of what questions the callers are going to ask him, as.

[Chuck Bryant]

Far as we know.

[Josh Clark]

And if you listen to him, like, this does not sound rehearsed or scripted or anything like that. So even setting aside, like, the idea that this is possibly real and just taking it like a story, this guy was one of the best storytellers in the history of the world. If he's just making all this up as he goes along. Basically, yeah.

[Chuck Bryant]

Which made me think it was perhaps set up and shady Art.

[Josh Clark]

No, Art Bell wouldn't have been involved in that. No.

[Chuck Bryant]

How do you know he know Art Bell?

[Josh Clark]

He was a credible host. Okay. For sure.

[Chuck Bryant]

Okay.

[Josh Clark]

I think that's why people loved him so much. Like, he wasn't going to get caught up in something like that. People might call up and pull his leg. He even asked smell once, like, are you pulling my leg? I really don't think he was the kind of person who would. Who would set something like that up. He didn't need to. People would call in and he could just be the credible guy asking questions, and he didn't need to set it up. People would just do it anyway.

[Chuck Bryant]

No, I know. I'm just saying, if it was unearthed, like the greatest hoax Art Bell ever pulled, this funny trick, you would say, like, well, that's not possible because Art Bell would never do something like that.

[Josh Clark]

No, I mean, if there were irrefutable evidence that he had done it or he admitted to doing it, of course. I mean, I'm not insane.

[Chuck Bryant]

Okay. That's what I'm saying is you just never know.

[Josh Clark]

You never know whether I'm insane or not.

[Chuck Bryant]

I always know that you're not.

[Josh Clark]

Oh, thanks, man.

[Chuck Bryant]

I'm just casting a skeptic's eye on this.

[Josh Clark]

I understand.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

I don't mean to berate you for that. I was just arguing in favor of Art Bell.

[Chuck Bryant]

No, Art Bell would never do this.

[Josh Clark]

I had no idea I felt this passionately about Art Bell and his integrity.

[Chuck Bryant]

I didn't know that either. All right, so moving on. The hole, apparently. And these were stories that even Mel said could be apocryphal, but he said a neighbor said that they threw their dead dog into the hole, and that same dog with the same collar and tags was alive in the woods later on. So it brought this dog back to life.

[Josh Clark]

Yes. Very pet cemetery. Ish.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. But other dogs wouldn't go near the hole.

[Josh Clark]

They were scared of it. He said his own dogs wouldn't go anywhere near the damn thing, was his quote. Yeah, And Art Bell jumped on this. He's like, well, wait a minute. If this thing is able to resurrect things, have you ever considered, you know, being thrown in there? Or. I think he said, if you're ever diagnosed with a terminal disease, would you jump in yourself? And already 10 steps ahead of him, Mel said, it's actually in my will that I be thrown into the hole after I die. Of course.

[Chuck Bryant]

Why not give it a shot, you know?

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. So, Chuck, I say we take a break here, and we'll come back and talk about some of the tests that Mel applied to the hole to try to get to the bottom of it.

[Chuck Bryant]

Ah, nice pun.

[Josh Clark]

Thank you.

[Chuck Bryant]

We'll be right back.

[Josh Clark]

Satisfaction. Stuxnet. Stuxnet.

[Chuck Bryant]

Say it one more time.

[Josh Clark]

Stuxnet.

[Chuck Bryant]

I don't know.

[Josh Clark]

You know, it's Stuxnet.

[Chuck Bryant]

Is that in this? Stuxnet.

[Josh Clark]

Stuxnet. It's a great nightmare. That's the name of it. It's a great name. All right. Stuxnet with a. With an X. Did you mean that pun? Yeah, I did, and I feel ashamed.

[Chuck Bryant]

You shouldn't. That was a good. That's quality pun, and neither one of us are super into puns, but that was a really good one. Very clever.

[Josh Clark]

Well, I actually did the whole, like, arching point, too, as I said it. Which really punctuates a pun.

[Chuck Bryant]

It sure does. It punctuates it.

[Josh Clark]

That's good, too. Thanks. So I think I said before the break that Mel started figuring out ways to investigate this. First of all, he wanted to know how deep it was. And it turns out that Mel was what he calls pretty close to a professional shark fisherman, or at least he used to be. Yeah. So that means that he had on the property a lot of really heavy, sturdy shark fishing reels. Anyone who's seen Jaws knows that those are sturdy reels.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

He also had a ton of line, like, a lot of line. And so he tied a 1 pound triangular or pyramidal weight to the end of a line, and he started slowly paying it out. And we should back up a little bit because he used the line differently the first time. He. He tied a roll of lifesavers to the end of it once and then paid it out 1500 yards. And when he brought it back up, the lifesavers were intact, indicating to him that even 1500 yards down, he hadn't hit the water table.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, I would have used a sponge, but that's Just me.

[Josh Clark]

Oh, that's a good one. That's a great one. Thanks. So back to the line. He's after the lifesavers thing. He started just paying out line using his shark reel, right?

[Chuck Bryant]

Yes. And he goes down over 15 miles, about 80,000ft into the hole, allegedly not hitting the bottom. And Art Bell, noted trusted radio host, said, yeah, you know, you might want to call a university or something. Like, they would probably want to look into this and research this. And Mel was like, hey, that's funny. My wife works for a local university here. What he. I don't think he said the school, but didn't people surmise online it was probably. What would it have been? Central Washington. Is that a university?

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, Central Washington.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. And so anyway, he said, I've been talking to my wife and she's been talking to the university, and apparently they're pretty interested. And then callers started calling in, saying things like, hey, you should use a sponge. Well, they didn't say that, but they should have. But they said, hey, we have ideas on how to find out how deep this is. And also, if this is as deep as you say, it's like twice as deep as the Marianas Trench. And even though this wasn't in the show, it's also twice as deep as the deepest hole, which is Russia's kola superdeep borehole, which is just a little over 40,000ft. So this is double that.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, it was cute. So we're talking. I don't know if we even said this or not. This whole thing started in 1997. So when that caller calls up with the information about the Marianas Trench, he says that he went and consulted his encyclopedia.

[Chuck Bryant]

Very cute.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, it is super cute. So, yes, this is a. This would very, like, far and away be the world's deepest hole. And it's an impossible hole in that sense. We'll get a little more into that. But that essentially was the first call. And we've peppered in some stuff from other calls, but that's the basics of the hole. And what Mel said he had done so far. Some of the listeners that called in were like, you should put temperature sensors and lower those down and maybe a video camera and surely radar can. Can come into this somehow. And radar was like, leave me out of this. And essentially, like I was saying, that's the first call. So the first call happens. And then a week later, Mel Waters appears again on Coast to coast am, and he has, like, very distressing news this time.

[Chuck Bryant]

That's right. He said all right. I went back to the property and I couldn't get back on. It was blocked off by military personnel. And they said, you can't come on your own property. He said, there was a plane crash and you can't come on. And Mel was like, there wasn't any plane crash. Like, I would have known about this. I don't live too far away. It would have made noise. I would have seen smoke. There was nothing indicating that there was a plane crash. Give me the person in charge. And they trotted out somebody not in military fatigues, which is very X Filesy. Anytime there's somebody in charge wearing a suit with the military, it's. It's very X Filesy and very bad news.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, yeah. Mel turned into a bit of a Karen there. Yeah. So this person, whoever it was that wasn't in Military Guard was in an X File suit, smoking a cigarette, probably. Probably says, so what's the problem? And Mel. Mel says, this is my property. I want to get onto my properties. The guy in the suit said, that's not going to happen. And this isn't necessarily your property. And if you want to go ahead, that's fine, but I'll bet we could very easily find a drug lab on your land, and then there'd be a whole bunch of problems for you that you don't need if you'll just turn around and leave. Yeah. That really got to Mel for sure. He was spooked, to say the least.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. As he should have been, because he did have a lab on the property. He was not cooking drugs, but like I mentioned earlier, he was into medicinal herbs and plants and things like that that he would source from Northern Nevada that, you know, traditional herbs and things that had been used by Native Americans for, you know, eons. And he said, I do have a lab here, and they could probably frame me pretty easily, so I'm not sure what to do. He also learned around the same time that the predecessor to, I guess, Google Earth was something called Terraserver, where they had just satellite. Aerial satellite images of the Earth. He was like, my property's blocked out on that thing now.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. And Art Bell, he did his research because he's very reliable and trustworthy. And he found a server, a Terra server image, and found. Like, this is. Yeah, you can't see his property. I think it's on Google maps today. Laura, Dr. Claw helped us out with this, and she points out that there's a nearby military installation. It's called the Yakima Training Center. It's an army training center, but it also includes a NSA listening station. And that's not conspiracy theory. That's the Seattle Post Intelligence are reporting that there's an NSA listening station there that in and of itself could block out a large segment of the central Washington. I think on Terra server.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, I also saw, and this is on Reddit, and since this is all bunk anyway, we might as well just mention stuff like this. But there were dudes on Reddit that were like, you can see where Google Earth has cloned images and overlaid them over the spot where the hole should be.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, I mean, it's not the most incredible part of all this, is it?

[Chuck Bryant]

Oh, no, that's coming soon.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah.

[Chuck Bryant]

I mean, I hope we are in agreement on the most incredible part. And it's not a silent gun or a silent hole.

[Josh Clark]

We'll. We'll see. I'm not exactly certain what you're talking about. I'm so.

[Chuck Bryant]

I'm excited. Come on, you know. All right. We'll get there.

[Josh Clark]

Okay. So there was a couple other things that Mel said had happened since he was first on and had caught the attention of the government who had now taken over his land. He had a buddy who was a trucker, and his buddy told him that he delivered a huge quantity of fiber optic cable to a warehouse in Ellensburg. And in the late 90s, fiber optic cable had no business whatsoever being anywhere near Ellensburg, Washington. Another friend told him he delivered a truckload of instruments from the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, one of the national labs in and of itself is spooky, especially pre millennium when everything the government did was super spooky, and that those were delivered to that same warehouse in Ellensburg. So fiber optic cables and Lawrence Livermore Laboratory instruments suddenly amassing in Ellensburg. A little coincidental with the government taking over his land.

[Chuck Bryant]

That's right. And you know how he found this out? His trucker buddy told him so.

[Josh Clark]

Right.

[Chuck Bryant]

A couple of other details there. Apparently the workers at the warehouse were. All of them were Israeli, according to this trucker. Unnamed trucker. And if you're just wondering, Lawrence Livermore Laboratory is responsible, generally responsible for the safety and security of America's nuclear arsenal.

[Josh Clark]

Okay. Yep. Great.

[Chuck Bryant]

That's what they do.

[Josh Clark]

Sure. So there was a bit of, like, an upside to all this. And, like, again, Noah was really distressed that he wasn't allowed on his land and that he had been threatened and intimidated. But he also was like, you know, this is my private property. My rights are being trampled on. So he was quite happy to Find that shortly after the government took over his land. They did right by him and then some. His real estate agent contacted him. Apparently he was the type to have a real estate agent on retainer.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

And they said, mel, I've got great news for you. You have an anonymous offer to lease your land indefinitely for a quarter of a million dollars a month.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

How do you feel about this?

[Chuck Bryant]

I mean, that's incredible. He said, you know, this is on the third call. By now, he was like, yeah, I took the deal because I'm in Australia right now, buddy. And I'm. I'm getting rich here off the US Government or, you know, whatever unnamed leasee or lease or which one would that be?

[Josh Clark]

So he would be the lessor, they would be the lease, they would be the Lacy. Okay. As far as car commercials have taught me.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. So Art Bell. And we believe everything he says. He said that, hey, Mel is definitely in Australia. I've gotten emails, I guess, that were AU or something, but somehow he was able to verify that Mel was in Australia. And Mel also is like. And here's the other thing is like the government took care of all this. They did all the paperwork. They got my dogs over here. The Australian government was cooperating and they were in on it. And I'm in Australia now and I'm doing my medicinal herb growing here to great effect.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. And we should say also we've been to Australia for tour and it is not an easy country to come into. They make you jump through lots of hoops. So it's another suspicious thing too, I just want to point out.

[Chuck Bryant]

But we didn't have the government doing all the legwork for us.

[Josh Clark]

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like he did. That's not Australia's normal MO is what I'm trying to say.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, that's not nothing, as they say.

[Josh Clark]

One other thing that he tossed out there is that so he was using his medicinal herbs to cure people. He also did some gratifying work rescuing wombats. Just threw that out there as an aside. I thought that was a nice touch. And then there's one other thing too. Remember the magical gun that made no sound and then played radio broadcasts from other times and eras?

[Chuck Bryant]

I do.

[Josh Clark]

He took that to Australia with him. Probably also another hard thing to do for the average person. And he used it as a security deposit for his place that he rented. He gave it to his landlord as a security deposit. I don't know why he would have needed to do that if he was getting.

[Chuck Bryant]

I don't either.

[Josh Clark]

Maybe he hadn't gotten the first lease payment yet.

[Chuck Bryant]

Maybe that's the we. Well, that's not the weirdest part, obviously, but that's the part that makes the least just logical sense was why he'd be like, here, just you. Like old World War II guns. Maybe the guy did. Maybe that was it.

[Josh Clark]

Well, supposedly, whether he did or not, the man's son got in touch with Mel and was like, I don't know where my father is. He disappeared, and he took that weird gun with him. And before they disappeared, he had become obsessed with the thing, so.

[Chuck Bryant]

And they never heard from him again.

[Josh Clark]

As far as I know. And also, the man's son was never named, nor was the man the landlord.

[Chuck Bryant]

The lesson, the story.

[Josh Clark]

Right?

[Chuck Bryant]

All right, so Mel goes back to the States to visit some family. He did not show for a appearance on Coast to coast in late 1999. And he was like, yeah, you know why, buddy? Art? He said, because I was questioned after an altercation on a bus, and I was transported back to Olympia, Washington. Or I was told I was gonna be transported back to Olympia, Washington, but instead, I woke up almost Two weeks later, 12 days later. I just awoke with no memory of anything that happened in a rough part of San Francisco.

[Josh Clark]

And now today, you just call that San Francisco.

[Chuck Bryant]

No wallet, no id. I had adhesive on my arm, like residue from where I clearly probably had an iv. And, brother, my back teeth are gone.

[Josh Clark]

That would be so distressing to be like, I'm missing teeth and I have no recollection of them being taken out.

[Chuck Bryant]

It's distressing when you know it's coming and it happens.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, good point.

[Chuck Bryant]

I can vouch for that.

[Josh Clark]

Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, did you get knocked out, I guess, when you had yours removed?

[Chuck Bryant]

Oh, sure. That's the best part.

[Josh Clark]

Okay. Okay. Yeah. But I can imagine knowing it's coming would be more distressing. That usually is. They say anticipation is the worst part of just about any experience, right?

[Chuck Bryant]

I don't know. That's what I heard.

[Josh Clark]

Okay, so regardless, Mel's now missing a couple of teeth. He's also down, in addition to missing his ID and wallet, his belt buckle, which sounds kind of. What's the word I'm looking for?

[Chuck Bryant]

Innocuous.

[Josh Clark]

Yes, Chuck, that's exactly the word I was looking for. Sounds innocuous as far as details go. But this belt buckle was a special belt buckle that he had made himself. He was also a craftsman, in addition to a grower and maker of medicinal herbal tinctures. And this belt buckle contained a dime. A very special dime. A 1943 dime with Franklin Delano Roosevelt's bust on the side, just like the dimes we had today. The problem is that dime shouldn't have existed.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, the Roosevelt dimes didn't start till 1946, after FDR died. He was still alive in 1943. So those don't exist. I even did some searching on the Internet. The only thing I could find was apparently they're 1949 dimes that people have sort of etched the nine to look like a three. Because I saw a picture of one. I was like, that looks like a 1943 Roosevelt to me. But other people said, like, no, that's been made. It was a nine made to look like a three. But at any rate, those dimes don't exist. I mean, I guess it's possible that it could have been some kind of a counterfeit thing. But he said that a couple more things about this dime that it could not be photographed. So it clearly wasn't the dime I saw on the Internet. And also, if you walk 15ft away, it goes invisible. And it's not just my eyesight. Cause I know what you're thinking.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. So he also took one of those dimes to a coin dealer. And I guess while it was in the coin dealer's possession, the Treasury Department showed up and confiscated it.

[Chuck Bryant]

Just like that. They were there.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. And he was using these dimes, like, pretty innocently. I saw the belt buckles were World War II themed. So one was a. Like, he had three coins. One had a bust of Churchill, one had a bust of fdr, and I think the other one was a bust of Stalin. And he's like, oh, this FDR dime will work perfectly. Like, apparently he hadn't realized that they were special dimes, and he just dug them up on his property, which I think should have raised a red flag right away that they were special dimes. If they were something he dug up on his property.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, he said he found them in a red envelope on his property. These impossible coins. So I say we take another break, because when we come back, we are definitely going to get to the craziest part of this whole story.

[Josh Clark]

Stuxnet. Stuxnet. StuxNET.

[Chuck Bryant]

I don't know.

[Josh Clark]

You know, it's Stuxnet.

[Chuck Bryant]

Is that in this? Stuxnet.

[Josh Clark]

Stuxnet. It's a great nightmare. That's the name of it. It's a great name. All right. Stuxnet with an X.

[Chuck Bryant]

All right, so we're back and this is when we start to talk about a second hole. Because on a subsequent call into am, coast to coast, Mel said, because I've been on your radio show and people are, like, familiar with me in this hole now, this whole hole. He said, I've now been made aware of a second hole thanks to the native people there in Nevada. They got in touch with members of the Basque community there. And apparently there is still a robust Basque community because sheepherders from the Pyrenees moved there in the late 19th century and they're still there today, which is great. But this Basque hole, as it's called, was very similar to Mel's hole. It was nine feet in diameter. This one had an actual metal collar around it, starting a couple of feet off the ground, and had a metal lining the hole as far as you could see down into it. And local Basque people was like, yeah, that hole's been around since the 19th century, and dogs won't go near it. They're scared of it. And we've seen a black beam come out of this thing.

[Josh Clark]

He's like, another black beam. That's nuts.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, and that's not the craziest part. We're getting there. Just wait.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, now I know what you're talking about.

[Chuck Bryant]

I mean, come on.

[Josh Clark]

So I think it's what I'm about to say, that that metal collar around the hole somehow was never hot to the touch. But the local Basques had figured out that if you put your tent against it, it would heat your tent in the winter. Okay, Is that it? Is that what the weirdest part was that you were talking about?

[Chuck Bryant]

Are you being coy? Okay, I can't tell if you just are blanking or if you're just messing around with.

[Josh Clark]

No, I really couldn't think of it earlier, but now I know just what you mean.

[Chuck Bryant]

The closer we get to it. I love this. We never have this kind of true suspense on this show.

[Josh Clark]

I feel like. I feel like I should be doing, like a finger drum roll for the next minute.

[Chuck Bryant]

So it's keeping your sleeping bag warm. It's keeping your tent warm. Mel, he did a few things. He dropped a wrench in it, or I guess he dropped it on the metal. It didn't make any sound like the last one. Then they got some ice. Cause they were like, this thing has weird heat properties. So let's. Let's drop some ice down in there in a pot and see what happens. Because if it gets hotter or something, then we'll know it has some weird. Or some, I guess Legitimate heat properties. And the ice came back, it was unmelted. And when they put this potted ice over a fire to melt it, that ice eventually caught on fire.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. It put out its own heat, too.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, via the fire.

[Josh Clark]

Right. So one of the Basque people who was involved in all this is like, hey, this eternal hot ice is probably a pretty good idea. I'm going to take it home and put it in my wood stove.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. Good idea.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, it's a great idea. The problem is, one of the strange properties of this eternal heat ice was that it dried everything around it so much, so it sucked all the moisture out of everything that this poor Basque man's cabin crumbled into, basically dust. Because the eternal ice just being in his wood stove, had sucked all of the moisture out of the wood so that it just couldn't stand up as wood any longer.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, that. That stove collapsed along with the rest of the cabin. So that's not the weirdest part.

[Josh Clark]

Well, the. The stove actually kept. It basically burned a hole, and now it's like five feet into the ground. That's made it that far. Yeah. Pretty nuts.

[Chuck Bryant]

But that's not the craziest part. You ready?

[Josh Clark]

Yeah.

[Chuck Bryant]

Dear listener. So this part is also a little awful because it involves killing an animal. We should mention that people at some point suggested, like, why don't you throw a cat down that hole, Mel's hole, Bengal cat. See if you can hear it crying and stand up, guy. Art Bell was like, no, we're not doing anything like that.

[Josh Clark]

That's what I'm saying.

[Chuck Bryant]

I know. That's why. Exactly. So they did have a sheep, though, at the Basque hole, and they tried to bring the sheep around it. The sheep freaked out. So they said, all right, you're getting in the crate and we're doing this the hard way. They lowered the sheep down 1500ft. It stopped making any sounds. They brought the sheep up, and it was dead. So they dissected it, and it was cooked from the inside out, evidently. So they had a nice mutton dinner and gained immortality.

[Josh Clark]

Yep.

[Chuck Bryant]

No, I'm going to let you take this, buddy.

[Josh Clark]

Oh, really? Thanks.

[Chuck Bryant]

The craziest part. Here we go.

[Josh Clark]

So while they're dissecting it, they quickly found out that the sheep was missing its internal organs. They just weren't there anymore. But in the internal organs place was a giant tumor. They're like, well, we've already come this far with dissecting. We might as well dissect the tumor. And when they cut the tumor open, they found that there was what looked to be what you could describe closest would be a fetal seal. But the fetal seal had human eyes. And even crazier than that, the fetal seal like opened its eyes and started looking around at all of the Basque people in Mel who were there standing over it, agog and amazement.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. So this thing was 18 inches long. It was connected by an umbilical cord. And we should also say that stuff you find on the Internet now, some of that stuff maybe has been added since 1997. Cause there's a lot of bunk out there. But I saw it was connected by an umbilical cord, detached itself and like you said, was just kind of walking around hanging out with people. Apparently they thought this thing was like, I want to go back into the hole. So they put it on the metal collar, it looked at them, gave him a nod and took the dive. Yeah, the thetle seal with human like eyes.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. And so later on, Mel's here witnessing all this stuff and he's in contact obviously with his Basque friends from that point on. And he said that later on they told him like the fetal seal had come back up several times and they'd learned that if a boombox was near, they could communicate with the fetal seal. But when somebody grabbed an old 2 Live Crew cassette and tried to record over it, did they tape over the hole? Nothing was recorded.

[Chuck Bryant]

Okay. They better had some masking tape over those square holes.

[Josh Clark]

You know, I forgot about that part. Yeah, absolutely. But what about Mel's cancer?

[Chuck Bryant]

It went away, buddy. Thanks to the Basque hole. I guess he had apparently pretty aggressive terminal esophageal cancer. And it was just gone. And so they started calling this thing the tumor seal because of that.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. Which is a horrible name for any organism, but there you go. So that's. If you, if you come across something called the tumor seal on the Internet, that's what they're talking about. This strange seal like creature with human eyes that healed Mel's esophageal cancer.

[Chuck Bryant]

That's right. So since the beginning of the Internet and this was, I mean, seemingly coincidentally, kind of around the birth of the Internet, the story grew and grew and grew. Of course, just like a little fetal seal will one day become a sea lion.

[Josh Clark]

Oh, is that right? Seals and sea lions aren't different. So seals are small seals.

[Chuck Bryant]

But this is a magical story. So that's, that's what happens in this case.

[Josh Clark]

Okay.

[Chuck Bryant]

Especially if it has human like eyes. So Mel Waters apparently doesn't exist. They have looked there. Apparently there are no Records of the Mel Waters in the county of which he supposedly resided. There was no wife that worked at Central Washington University.

[Josh Clark]

Go Wildcats, by the way.

[Chuck Bryant]

Go Wildcats. It was obviously somebody from around there because they had a lot of knowledge of the area. So whoever was pulling off this hoax was clearly a local. But there was no Mel Waters as far as anyone can tell?

[Josh Clark]

No. But one of the interesting things is that in the real world, in the Ellensburg area, apparently there is a local rumor, superstition about a bottomless hole somewhere in the area.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that's was the leaping point for this story.

[Josh Clark]

Had to be. But Mel really took it and ran with it. And so, I mean, this caught coast to Coast AM listeners attention and enough that they went out and actually looked for the hole. There was an expedition that was mounted in 2002. 30 people makes it an official expedition. Yeah, it was led, or it included a guy named Gerald Osborne. Gerald Osborne went by Red Elk. He very wisely didn't claim ancestry or heritage to any particular indigenous tribe in the area. Instead, he said he was an intertribal shaman. Which means he was white.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

And he's not to be confused. He's not to be confused with Gerald Red Elk, who's a legitimate Navajo. Who was a Navajo code talker in World War II from Montana.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, thanks for stealing that name.

[Josh Clark]

Exactly. So he was. The reason he was on this expedition is he said, I've been to this hole numerous times. My father took me there for the first time all the way back in 1961. I'm a huge asset to your group. As a matter of fact, why don't you guys just carry me around? I'm that much of an asset to this expedition.

[Chuck Bryant]

Did he really say that?

[Josh Clark]

No, but I could kind of see it.

[Chuck Bryant]

Nothing in this story would surprise me. So you can literally dupe me with anything at this point.

[Josh Clark]

Right. And by the way, Rip, Gerald Osborne, aka Red Elk, he did pass and I think 2017 maybe.

[Chuck Bryant]

Okay, Rip, he claimed that a huge spacecraft would appear and hover over that hole and that the government had a very small underground base there. Obviously underground. There's a legit geologist named Jack Powell from Washington State Department of Natural Resources who was. Seems like the lone, or maybe one of the lone skeptics. Aside from me apparently saying like, hey, this hole's not possible. Josh Clark is even gonna say this one day on a very popular podcast. This hole would collapse on itself because of all the pressure and heat from the area around it. It's Just. You just can't have a hole that deep. It's impossible.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. They were like, stop saying impossible. He's like, fine, but you get my point, right?

[Chuck Bryant]

He said, and that fishing line wouldn't have made it, or your lifesavers or anything else wouldn't have survived that depth.

[Josh Clark]

No. And he did concede, like, this area was carved out by volcanic activity eons ago. So it is possible that there are, like, a lot of really, really deep holes that may even be, for all intents and purposes, as far as human scale is concerned, bottomless.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

But this, what this guy's describing, could not possibly exist. And this area is also just riddled with gold mine shafts. In fact, I think I might know the particular gold mine shaft outside of Ellensburg that inspired this guy. This Mel Waters.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. Not you. You're playing the role of Jack Powell.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, that was me doing my Jack Powell impression. He and I sound just alike. Just like me and Mark Ruffalo.

[Chuck Bryant]

Right.

[Josh Clark]

Oh, people said that. Yeah, I get that a lot.

[Chuck Bryant]

Oh, I've never thought about that. I think it said you talked like someone the other day. Mike Birbiglia.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, I've. I think I get that a little bit. They might be the first person to say that. I've heard that.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

And then I think, yeah, I think that's it for voice. Look alikes or sound alikes.

[Chuck Bryant]

Same muppety tenor.

[Josh Clark]

Love that. I will never, ever forget that. I hold that dear to my heart.

[Chuck Bryant]

You should. All right, so Powell said, as Josh just play acted. Let's go to this gold mine shaft that I know about. Like, I bet this is it. It's near the Manistache Ridge. I think it said Manatash earlier. It's Manistache.

[Josh Clark]

I think it's Manastish.

[Chuck Bryant]

Oh, well, I mean, it depends on which side you live on.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. Nevada. Nevada.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, exactly.

[Josh Clark]

Tomato, tomato.

[Chuck Bryant]

But he took them there, the group of Hole, you know, Mel's Hole enthusiast. And they were like, nah, you duped us. There's no way this is Mel's Hole. It's too normal, basically. It's not doing anything weird.

[Josh Clark]

You lying geologist.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, exactly. That's funny.

[Josh Clark]

So these people, they were undeterred. They were like, we are. So we're going to balk so hard at your suggestion that this pithing thing is Mel's Hole, that just, despite you, we're gonna go on and form the Seattle Paranormal Society. So there.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. Like, we're all here together.

[Josh Clark]

Right.

[Chuck Bryant]

We should call ourselves something.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. So they did.

[Chuck Bryant]

So they Did. Yeah. And here's another just little addendum. In 2012, apparently a local library historian said, you know, the files on Mel's Hole are not in my library anymore. They disappeared and there's no way some crackpot stole them.

[Josh Clark]

Right. They're definitely not under a placemat at my house where I forgot them.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

So there were again like there are people out in the real world who are trying to track down Mel's Hole for one reason or another and. Mel and Mel. Yes, exactly. And one of the places that became like a clearinghouse online for continued information about Mel's Hole was the Northwest Museum of Legends and Lore. They actually claimed to still be getting email updates from Mel and Mel's nephew. So you know that they were like, that was an arcane reference right there, Mel's Nephew that I think it legitimized everything. And they actually may have been receiving information from somebody claiming to be Mel's nephew. Eventually though, even they, the Northwest Museum of Legends and Lore were like nuts to this. And based on the date of their last post, they seem to have given up the Ghost in 2003.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, it may have had something to do with they said, hey, Mel's nephew, he's coming to our hang. He's coming to the Northwest UFO Conference on Memorial Day. And then they said, oh well it turns out he didn't make it, he got in a car wreck.

[Josh Clark]

But he'll keep us posted about whether he's going to make it to the conference after all.

[Chuck Bryant]

Exactly.

[Josh Clark]

So you said that there's so much crud on the Internet now about this that it's just kind of, to me it took like a really interesting, cool, self contained thing that didn't need to be expounded upon.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

Just 2000/20 internetized it, which means it just got dumb. And so there's tons of like I read one article where somebody was like, this may be a Lazarus Pit. And I looked up Lazarus Pit and it only exists in the DC comic universe. Yeah. So that probably is not a very credible website. And then Also there's this YouTube video from just this past March. And but this is what's amazing about the Internet. Somebody made a YouTube video that claimed that Elon Musk, because he's like the head of technology in the world, apparently sent a special drone, a special high tech drone made for tough places, they said, down into Mel's Hole. And we'll get to the, to what he came up with in a second. But if you go and search that there are Offshoot videos, videos about that that are treating it like news. So there's tons of YouTube videos talking about this drone footage that Elon Musk found. And essentially he. He found what was at the bottom of it, and he did not like what he found.

[Chuck Bryant]

According to this YouTube video, legend has it it was a. A cave painting of a cybertruck.

[Josh Clark]

I think he would have been gratified with that, or he would have been like, wow, those things really are ugly.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

So, no, they. They quoted him in this video. There's something down there, something we don't get. We aren't ready for. What's at the bottom that tracks. So, I mean, it still just keeps going on and on. Some people in of a 2017 video went to a location that someone on Reddit said was Mel's Hole. They're like, it's not Mel's Hole. So there are people still looking for Mel's Hole out there. But to me, you don't really need to go much beyond the actual original story. It's. It's perfect as is.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, it's fun. Radio theater.

[Josh Clark]

Yep. Yeah. And that's our assessment that it is theater. Chuck. I think that's where we both land, right?

[Chuck Bryant]

I mean, that's where I am. I hope you're there. If not, we gotta end the show.

[Josh Clark]

I'm solidly right there with you. Okay, good. Well, since we're standing right next to another, shoulder to shoulder, cheek to jowl, and all that stuff, I think that means it's time for listener manual.

[Chuck Bryant]

I thought so. Relieved. I thought you were about to say we have to jump into that hole together.

[Josh Clark]

Never. Never. We like our lives.

[Chuck Bryant]

That's true. But maybe it would be like Joe versus Volcano, and it would just spit us right back out like Tom and Meg.

[Josh Clark]

That was such a good movie.

[Chuck Bryant]

Loved it. All right, here is follow up to project 100,000. Hey, guys. Just listened to the episode. Was impressed with your coverage like always. In the topic of the lack of men for Vietnam, for the Vietnam War, my mind is flooded with thoughts of the secret war. My people, the Hmong people, were recruited as guerrilla troops to assist the US in the jungles of Laos, Thailand, and Vietnam. Many of the troops were children, including my great uncle.

[Josh Clark]

Good Lord.

[Chuck Bryant]

Very few spoke English and agreed to participate on the premise that they would be brought to live the American dream after the war was over. But very few made it over. Most were stranded and then hunted as traitors to their countries. In fact, my mom was born in a concentration camp in Laos, and she's only 42 years old right now.

[Josh Clark]

Oh God.

[Chuck Bryant]

Most of us live in Minnesota, California and Wisconsin now, but many of us still have family living back home where the conflict has seemingly fizzled out. I've always wondered what happened overseas to the ones who didn't make it out of the camps and how or if my people have restored their villages, but the topic is still raw. I think it'd be a great topic to look into for an episode. A short stuff or just for your brain bank? And that is warmly from from Melody, who apparently listens to us from the long drives between Chicago and Minneapolis.

[Josh Clark]

Nice. Thanks a lot Melody. I definitely not heard about that, and I think that's a great corollary to project 100,000. Huh?

[Chuck Bryant]

Totes.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, I think that might even deserve its own episode too. We'll have to dig into it if you want to be like Melody and blow our minds and depress us simultaneously. We love that kind of thing in a weird way. You can send it via via email to stuffpodcastheartradio.com.

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