Help! I hate my boyfriend’s style

Summary

Style-ish Podcast Summary

Episode: Help! I hate my boyfriend’s style
Date: December 9, 2025
Hosts: Madison Solomon Thorpe, Arnica Joshi Smith, Joanna Fleming Coucher (Jo)
Produced by: Shameless Media

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of Style-ish weaves together personal anecdotes, wedding stories, and hotly debated fashion and beauty trends. The main thread ties the listeners from Jo’s recent wedding reflections into a rundown of 2025’s most definitive “it” fashion items (per Vogue), the boom of supermarket “convenience beauty” in Australia, and culminates in genuine, practical advice for a listener who needs help with her boyfriend’s questionable fashion sense.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jo’s Wedding Deep Dive

(00:49 – 06:19)

• The trio celebrates Jo’s recent wedding, sharing behind-the-scenes moments, anxieties about the weather, and personal highlights.
• Fashion touches at the wedding: wedding favors of infused olive oils and daily sunscreens at every table.
• Memorable moments include unintentionally matching outfits and their emotional roles as "proud moms" of the bride.
• Jo’s favorite wedding moment: The dance floor, being able to relax and celebrate with loved ones.
• A standout “best man” speech by Ash, focusing humorously on Adrian’s personal transformation.

Notable Quote:
“It was very nice to see a little bit faces when I turned at the ceremony and you two were just there, like, basically linked arms, like two little proud moms.”
– Jo (01:20)

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2. Fashion “Swap-Ins” of the Week

(06:19 – 15:04)

Each co-host shares what item or idea they’re “swapping in” to their style routine:

• Annika: The power of a simple diamond earring to instantly elevate a look.
  “All of us simultaneously said a simple diamond earring... it’s just like such an investment that you can pass on to other generations.” (07:07)

• Madison: Advocates for finding secondhand jewelry on Invaluable, dubbing them “triple D diamonds” (diamonds acquired through “death, debt or divorce”). (08:55)

• Jo: Endorses the “Etsy Witch” as a wedding weather hack—her wedding day spell was credited for perfect weather.
  “$22.50. Best fucking $22.50 I think she's ever spent.” (12:24)

• Madison: Mini disposable toothbrushes for freshness on-the-go, inspired by Hailey Bieber.
  “They are called Colgate Max Fresh Wisp Disposable mini toothbrush. Peppermint. There’s 24 in a pack. You’re welcome.” (14:19)

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3. Vogue's “It” Fashion Items of 2025

(16:18 – 25:42)

Taking Vogue’s 15-item list, the hosts select and dissect five trends most symbolic of 2025, discussing their staying power:

Top Five Trends:

1. Flip-Flops/Thongs/Jandals:
   Universally worn in the studio, seen as an enduring Australian staple, though the fashionable twist (leather, platform, designer variations) defines the 2025 moment.
   “I think in Australia, we can confidently say that the thong is staying around.” – Jo (18:19)

2. Toe Rings & Anklets:
   Toe rings seen as more of a passing or “hippie” trend; anklets get more approval for being chic.
   “I feel like anklets are sexy because we all know about my bunions. I don’t want to draw too much attention to those things...” – Annika (18:55)

3. Labubu Bags:
   Once omnipresent, their popularity is already waning.
   “I can’t say that I think I’m going to see them in 2026 though.” – Jo (20:00)

4. Oasis Merch:
   Surge in nostalgia-driven merch due to the band’s reunion tour, with a collab with Adidas making it extra cool.
   “There’s something nostalgic, I think, about the Oasis merch too, because it’s from an era that we all grew up in.” – Jo (21:40)

5. Silk Scarves:
   Rebranded as a multipurpose chic staple—wearable art that cycles in and out of fashion but always in style in some form.
   “If you buy one really beautiful silk scarf, you kind of have endless opportunity... I don’t know if I look at silk scarf as a trend rather than just an item.” – Madison (23:50)

Bonus: Hallmark/style-defining looks

• Baggy t-shirt + lace skirt, lace camisoles, layering dresses over pants, 2000s/Y2K, and whispers of 70s/80s comebacks.

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4. The Rise of Convenience (“Supermarket”) Beauty

(26:27 – 36:34)

Prompted by Celeste Barber’s Buoy Beauty launching in Woolworths, the team unpacks why supermarket beauty is booming:

• Key Drivers: Accessibility, expanding brand ranges, and economic pressures.
• Luxurious-feeling and trendy brands (Soma, Monday) are now side-by-side with legacy staples (Nivea, Palmer’s, Dermal Therapy) at national grocers.
• Hosts discuss their own supermarket staples—Cetaphil, Dermal Therapy, Oral-B, Nivea, and affordable hair color.
• Cautions are raised about “impulse buying” potent actives (like retinol) without guidance.
• The line between “cool” and “uncool” brands is blurring, fueled by social media-driven nostalgia and viral trends.
• International comparison: US supermarket Erwhan’s luxury beauty aisle.

Notable Quote:
“Skincare in particular, obviously we’ve got em co being a little bit more makeup focused... now, there's just so many, and I think it's overwhelming to people.” – Jo (29:52)

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5. Listener Dilemma: “Help! I hate my boyfriend’s style”

(36:34 – 47:45)

Listener Email from Lucinda:
Falling for a new boyfriend whose lack of style does not match her or her friends’ “fashion girlie” energy. He’s meeting her friends for the first time at Christmas drinks, and she needs advice on how to help him dress better—without offending him.

The Team’s Top Advice:

• Be Patient & Gradual: Wait until the relationship foundation is strong, then ease into small updates—“it was probably about six months before I started to transition Adrian’s wardrobe.” – Jo (38:28)
• Positive Reinforcement: Use encouragement, not criticism, and highlight the things he does well.
  “His love language is words of affirmation, so I was just gassing him.” – Jo (40:53)
• Don’t Project Friend Anxiety: Real friends care about kindness, compatibility, and how he treats you more than his shoes or shirt.
• Unobtrusive Upgrades: Suggest shopping together for fun, or gently gift some nicer basics for the holidays.
• Frame as Connection, Not Correction:
  “I think it's framing it as compliment and connection, not correction.” – Madison (43:07)
• Leverage Male Style Basics: Good jeans, clean sneakers, crisp white T-shirt = instant glow-up.
• Accept Some Evolution: Allow his style to be personal and unique; don’t try for a total overhaul overnight.
• Leverage Christmas: Use Secret Santa, gifts, or event prep as an organic opportunity for style upgrades.

Memorable Moment:
“If a man walked into my wardrobe and said, ‘You’re not wearing that,’ I’d be like, get out. We ain’t flipping this wardrobe unless you’re paying for it.” – Madison (43:21)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “$22.50. Best fucking $22.50 I think she’s ever spent.” – Jo, on the Etsy Witch’s weather spell (12:24)
• “I describe them as triple D diamonds, which means that they went onto that site through either death, debt or divorce.” – Madison (08:56)
• “Let’s get a few outfits for Christmas events. You’ve got your family thing, I’ve got my family thing. Let’s, like, get a few things, build out your wardrobe a little bit more, do it softly like that.” – Jo (46:32)
• “Style is something we can change. It’s not a deal breaker.” – Annika (47:32)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Jo’s Wedding Recap: 00:49 – 06:19
• Style “Swap-Ins”: 06:19 – 15:04
• Vogue’s “It” Items Analysis: 16:18 – 25:42
• Convenience/Supermarket Beauty: 26:27 – 36:34
• Listener Dilemma – Boyfriend’s Style: 36:34 – 47:45

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Tone & Language

The episode is buoyant, candid, and peppered with in-jokes, casual Aussie slang, gentle roasting, and practical wisdom. All hosts keep the conversation friendly, fashion-nerdy, supportive, and inclusive to listeners of every style background.

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Final Takeaway

Style is cyclical and highly personal, but a little encouragement, a few thoughtful upgrades, and some shared laughs can bring confidence to anyone’s wardrobe—be it your own, your partner’s, or even your Secret Santa’s.

Transcript

[A]

Foreign.

[B]

This episode of Stylish is brought to you by Maya, your number one shopping destination for the festive season. This is Stylish, the podcast for all things fashion, lifestyle, brand, and beauty. I'm your host, Madison Solomon Thorpe. And today, my co host, Arnica Joshi Smith. And our newlywed, Jo.

[A]

Should I be Joanna Fleming Coucher today?

[C]

Yes, absolutely.

[B]

Wait, are you going to hyphen?

[A]

I mean, I can for this podcast.

[C]

Yeah. Join the club as well. You have to join our club. We are like the holy trio, the throuple.

[A]

Yeah, but you said you were changing yours to Plowman, so.

[C]

I've been saying that for three years, honey.

[B]

And I'll say it for three more, honey. Cool.

[A]

Well, let me couch who it is.

[B]

Jo. We. It took Annika and I, all of our might not to talk about your wedding.

[C]

I said nothing. I had to zip the lip. I was like, I was gonna sit there in silence.

[B]

I know. And I think we did say at the top of the episode, look, we are gonna talk about it, but we'll talk about it with Jo.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But we were lucky enough to be there, and I'm sure so many listeners would have loved to have been there too. But tell us, like, how was the day for you?

[A]

It was great. It was a relief because I was very stressed about the weather.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So that was, like, top of my mind for the days leading into the wedding. I'm very glad that you both could be there to celebrate. It was very nice to see a little bit faces when I turned at the ceremony and you two were just there, like, basically linked arms, like two little proud moms.

[C]

We were.

[B]

We did not unlink arms the whole time. We just kept being like, she's so beautiful. I know.

[C]

We literally thought that we were giving our child away. Yeah. Like, we were watching you, and we're just like, oh, my gosh, did you.

[A]

See my dad lifting the bell? And you're like, hey, that's our job.

[C]

Literally. I was like, put that down still.

[B]

We also unintentionally wore matching outfits just in case you needed a last minute.

[C]

And the palette as well. We really killed the palette.

[A]

Yeah. And that's how I know you guys respect me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Because I know you probably would have rather been black medicine.

[B]

I would never do that to you. It's not what Chat GPT said. It's in my color wheel. We did joke that maybe there would be like a color analysis surprise act at some point.

[A]

There should have been. Why didn't you tell me that beforehand? I so could have had color analysis set up somewhere.

[C]

You can do that.

[A]

I mean, I had a tarot reader on my hand, so it would make sense if I had that kind of entertainment. But I had wedding favors that were very on brand for Adrian and I. Adrian being very good at cooking. So we had some infused olive oils, and then I also had sunscreens from every day on every single table setting for everybody, which was. I got a lot of people messaging me afterwards saying, it's a really good sunscreen.

[C]

It was the best personal touch. Like, literally, I took it home, and James was so stoked about the olive oil, and I'm stoked about the spf.

[B]

So. Great.

[C]

I love that. Good.

[B]

You guys will have a great little quadruple dinner, then the boys will get along.

[A]

Yeah, you can come. Bring a date.

[C]

Bring a date, George.

[B]

Imagine that. First date. Ah. I'm taking you to meet my co host.

[C]

Can I ask what was your favorite moment of the day?

[A]

Oh, favorite moment. I actually thought it was gonna be walking down the aisle, but I was. My senses were, like, completely shot. Like, I don't even remember hearing the musician singing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I was so anxious. Yeah. Even though I was excited, it was. It's very overwhelming. I knew that it was gonna be overwhelming, but I think I was caught off guard by how overwhelming it is to walk down the aisle and have hundreds of people looking at you.

[C]

You kind of get tunnel vision. Right. And, like, tune out to all the noise around you. Yes. I remember feeling that way.

[A]

Yeah. It was really a weird experience. I don't think I've had that feeling before. But anyway, probably my highlight would be maybe the dance floor, because I really was then able to relax and enjoy myself and, like, spend time with all of my closest friends and family.

[B]

Can you please share what you guys did when you came out? Cause I thought this was so iconic, and I've only seen it happen at one other wedding.

[C]

What did I do when you guys.

[B]

Came out and you got us all straight onto the dance floor?

[A]

Oh, yeah, we invited everyone straight onto the dance floor when we were introduced, which I just felt like was a nice start to get everyone's energy up to begin and then, you know, take your seats, have your entrees.

[C]

It was a vibe of speeches. We loved it.

[B]

We really were proud moms. Like, it did feel like that every time you just, like, got up or walked anywhere, we'd be like, the makeup, the hair.

[A]

I could see the longing look in your eyes. I really.

[C]

We were literally watching you swan around, and we were Just like Jo Jo. It was one point.

[B]

Joe and I locked eyes and she, like, ushered for Annika and I to come over to get a photo. And we were like. Annika and I were like, oh, my.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

We can get a photo with our beautiful photos.

[A]

Yeah. I was ushering them over for a photo and Anika goes, oh, sorry. I thought we were helping do something. I thought we were putting it. Bustling your dress off raise my duties.

[C]

I was like, how can I help? What do you need? Let's get it done.

[B]

To be really fair, I did also think you might have wanted us to help you chain into the second dress.

[C]

I was like, we're ready, we're here. What else can we do?

[B]

I just also, like, I loved when people were like, it's just not what I was expecting. And I was like, there was a little sneaky part of superiority in me that went, oh, we did. We were given a little glimpse of the show. You guys knew we were the trusted tribe.

[C]

We literally are the Bridesmaids. Like, sorry, guys, but it's us.

[A]

Yeah. You'd seen both looks.

[B]

You're just lucky we didn't fight over the microphone to give the speech. Like, in Bridesmaid, if I was drinking.

[C]

We probably would have, like, I would have been getting up there saying a speech like, oh, God, who knows what would have happened?

[A]

MC's trying to get you to sit down.

[B]

Also, the best man's speech was one of the most iconic.

[A]

Everybody has said that to me. Yeah. Adrian's good friend Ash did a very hilarious speech centered around his transition from Ado to Adrian, which is the new version of him being with me, which was very, very funny. And he'd been working on it for a really long time.

[C]

Amazing.

[A]

Yeah. So many people came up and said that. So he'll be very glad that it's been mentioned on today's podcast.

[C]

I reckon it's the best best man speech I've ever heard.

[B]

I hard agree with that. And also, like, I'm absolutely going to be buying Adrienne a party shirt when we inevitably do some form of Kris Kringle with your face. Like a party shirt with just Joe faces. Yeah.

[C]

And I need to see, like, something that gives Ado energy. Like, I want. I just want to say that, you.

[A]

Know, I can give you some for myself. I can give you some examples. Yeah. After this, let's take it off mic. I think we're going to be talking about something in that vein today, actually.

[B]

Today's podcast, Perfect Segue, really.

[A]

So today we're going to be talking about our top five facts. Fashion it items of 2025, the rise of convenience, supermarket beauty in Australia. And then we're going to be answering a listener's dilemma about her boyfriend's troubling sense of style. But first, what do we want to swap in this week? Who wants to go first?

[B]

Annika Joshi Smith, you're looking quite beautiful. Why don't you keep.

[C]

Hello. Way to flirt with me. I feel like everyone's flirting with me.

[A]

At the moment because you look so hot. Guys, wait until you see the visuals of Annika's outfit today. She's in this like sheer black long slip dress. Wait, are you wearing pants underneath that?

[C]

Yeah, I almost didn't. But then you shouldn't take them off. I might put sweaty in.

[B]

I feel like now I've got to play like I'm just a gangster.

[A]

She looks so hot.

[C]

You guys are very kind, but I'm swapping in today. So I was at dinner with girlfriends recently and we were talking about what is like the best piece of jewelry that instantly elevates an outfit. And all of us simultaneously said a simple diamond earring. Now I know I'm looking at my diamond entrepreneur.

[B]

Sorry, I don't have a diamond business.

[C]

But I'd love one over here. But it's actually quite timely because who, what, where also. So we record on a Monday, as you all know, dropped an article this morning saying is the era of chunky earrings coming to an end? And it was all very much just around simplistic earrings and like completing a look. I've seen a lot of high, low options in the market at the moment. You can go from everyone from Majority, Michael Hill, Sarah and Sebastian by Charlotte Lyndon Cook, Tiffany and company. The ones I'm wearing are from a Kiwi brand called Navea and Sloan. But I feel like it's just like such an investment that you can pass on to other generations. You can obviously have them as a really sentimental gift. You could wear them on your wedding day. But I really don't wear much jewelry anymore, which is kind of crazy because my style used to be so tricked up. Like you'd want the girl to like pull it back. Just pull it back. 20, 30, 40%.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And now I'm just like simple and I feel a bit more put together in my all black ensemble.

[B]

Can I plus one your swap?

[C]

Do it.

[B]

I have wanted to swap this in for so long, but there's a really great site as well called Invaluable, which is amazing if you Want to hunt for, like, secondhand jewelry? I think I maybe own two or three pieces that I haven't bought secondhand.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So I've had pieces that I've bought and had remodeled. Look, diamonds are not cheap, but, you know, in the era of lab grown diamonds. They're also on this site. The way that I kind of describe it is like the ebay of auction houses. Like a whole bunch of global auctions. Auction houses will go on there, put their lots and. Yeah, I look, I do.

[C]

How do you describe it?

[B]

I describe them as triple D diamonds, which means that they went onto that site through either death, debt or divorce.

And let me just say I would not like to experience any of those three, despite having already done one. Spoiler. It was not death or death.

Jo, what are you swapping in?

[A]

Oh, to go back to wedding content for a moment. Yes, I am swapping in Etsy Witches.

[C]

Oh, yes. This is so gold.

[B]

Now, before you start.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Another shout out from your wedding. Annika and Meyer's new bff.

[C]

Oh, we love her. Hattie, we love you so much.

[A]

Haddie is going to shit herself when she says this.

[B]

Hadi is also, I would suspect, she got her Spotify rap and it was. You are in the 1% of stylish 100%.

[A]

So was Adrienne.

[C]

We honestly love this girl so much. I literally lost my dance partner, my plus one on the night and I was like, where the hell is Mads? Turned around. She was literally going off with Hattie. Like, I have videos of them, like, literally going so hard. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm so proud. This is my new adopted child as well. Like, we love you, Hattie.

[A]

For the listeners, Hattie is my oldest and longest friend.

[C]

And were you neighbours?

[A]

Yes. I've known Hattie since literally I came home from the hospital. Like, we've been best friends for that long.

[C]

See, that's also really, like, very rare.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't know many people that had that.

[A]

We also have another friend in the same. So Hattie and Jess are like my two closest friends and we were all neighbours.

[C]

Yeah, Love that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They did share that story with us.

[C]

They did, yeah. And I think I sung the neighbour's anthem. So weird.

[A]

So Hattie organised an Etsy Witch because as we got closer to the day, the weather was not looking promising and I was starting to panic a little bit. Cause when we booked the wedding on the venue, I was like, ah, late November. It'd be perfect. It's in Eurolea. It's two hours away.

[B]

It'll be 32.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. I didn't think that there was another option. I just thought, oh, it's great. And it was all outdoors. There was an indoor option, but it wasn't my vision. So I was like, it has to be outdoors. It's just. It's gonna be that. So a few days out, Hattie finds an Etsy witch. And we had talked about it in advance and I gave her the go ahead. I said, we need to find this Etsy witch and she needs to spell for the weather.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The night before the wedding, it torrentially rained for hours, doll.

[B]

It was torrentially raining down the fucking freeway. We were both like that. Indoor options looking good, because otherwise, pack your poncho.

[A]

I was panicking in the morning. I was like, oh, my God. And the venue people, like, it's not looking great. And I was like, oh, no, it's gonna be inside. That's not what I wanted. Like, and I also didn't have like a. For styling inside. Yes. I was like, oh, it's just not going to look the same. And I wanted these aerial shots to put up in our house. And so all of these things are running through my head like, oh, my God, it's not going to be the wedding I wanted.

[B]

The Type A really came out.

[A]

You know, it's not about that, but I really wanted that for the day. So we organized the Etsy witch. She did a spell. She sent Hattie a document with the spell.

[B]

I did hear this.

[A]

The weather was fucking perfect.

[B]

It was divine.

[A]

It literally got to 12pm sun came out, it was warm, There was no wind.

[B]

Guys, there were fucking butterflies, like butterflies swimming around you while you were doing your vows. And I was like, what in the Disney Princess is going on here?

[C]

Really was really giving Disney Princess bizarre.

[A]

Though, that it managed to be like that. Because then that night, I think at like 2 in the morning, again, torrential rain. So how do you organize that for me? $22.50. Best fucking $22.50 I think she's ever spent.

[C]

It's amazing because you also know they say that if it rains on your wedding day, then it's a real good sign of good luck. And it was the same on my wedd. In the morning, it was hailing like torrential rain. We had no wet weather contingency. I drank a lot of champagne to get me through getting ready stage.

[A]

I probably should have done that, but I didn't to drink.

[C]

Perfect.

[B]

Don't change your thing.

[A]

So, yeah, highly recommend if you are getting married. Because also our videographer then said afterwards, he's like, this is the fourth wedding I've done where they've done an Etsy Witch where the weather was looking like it was going to be threatening the day and it ended up being perfect weather. Oh, my gosh.

[B]

What else could we hire an Etsy Witch for?

[C]

Find you.

[A]

I don't know, man.

[B]

That sounds like the best $22.50 we're.

[C]

Ever going to spend on this. Down. That's your Secret Santa.

[B]

Second second best. Oh, my God. We've got the shameless media Christmas party next Friday.

[A]

And the limit, $30.

[B]

You know what? I've actually already bought a gift. But fuck it. Do I just bring an Etsy Witch as well as I could pass the parcel.

[C]

Yes, Kringle, Everyone needs an Etsy.

[B]

I'll play like a Sabrina Carpenter song and when it stops, you get the Etsy.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

All right, what's your swap today?

[B]

This is the part where someone asked me. Okay, so hashtag influenced. I saw that Hailey Bieber was using the little mini Crest disposable toothbrushes. Like tiny little clutch sized toothbrushes. They have no handle. It's virtually just like the top of like those oral b like interchangeable electric toothbrush vibes.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And it's got just like a little like almost like a bead sort of thing that activates. That's like a toothpaste. And you just use them throughout the day and you know, like if you have like, I don't know, a glass of wine and like you feel that film on your teeth or you've had the two coffees and then you've got the meeting and you're like, clips. Mint's not gonna cut it this time.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

They are called Colgate Max Fresh Wisp Disposable mini toothbrush. Peppermint. There's 24 in a pack. You're welcome. Thank you.

[A]

Are they really minty?

[B]

No, like, I think it's just like a nice little, like you brush your teeth, right. Like minty enough like a toothpaste, but.

[A]

You don't feel like you need to spit out anything. Okay.

[C]

These are.

[B]

I mean, you could if you wanted to.

[A]

Yeah, right. Okay.

[C]

This is such a great idea. Like in the office, obviously. So handy on a night out. So handy. Morning after one night stand. Even better.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

The pregnant woman in the corner. The married pregnant woman in the corner after a one night stand. Perfect.

[C]

But like that, such a good investment. I'm thinking your marketing brain could come up with like so many different, like ad campaigns for them.

[A]

Yeah, I like that. Swap.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

That's a really good one.

[B]

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[A]

All right, so our first headline this week, Vogue released a list of the 15 it fashion items of 2025. And I, I think we all have some thoughts around this list. We've gone through it, we've selected the five that we feel best define the year of 2025 and we're going to dive into what they are. And then once we've done that, we're going to predict whether we think they have genuine staying power or they'll be left in the dust in 2025.

[B]

You tell them go.

[A]

There's definitely going to be a few that I'm leaving in 2025, but I think there's a lot that we'll take with us. Yeah. So first one is flip flops or as we would call them in Australia, thongs.

[C]

We call them jandals.

[A]

Oh, you call them jandals?

[B]

Jandals.

[C]

Jandos.

[B]

That sounds like if jeans and sandals had a baby. It's like a jeaking.

[A]

What does it stand for?

[C]

I don't know. What does iski stand for? Point.

[B]

Good point. Do you know what? Shots fired, guys. You know what? We're basically all one of the same. So for kiwis listening along a jandal.

[A]

This one comes as no surprise because it's a trend that we've spoken about a lot on this podcast.

[B]

We're also all fucking wearing them.

[A]

Yes, we are all wearing thongs today.

[B]

So we better not dis them. Doesn't matter what we call them.

[A]

Well, Anika, I think you mentioned the rose version of the doll. Very big in New York.

[C]

When I was in New York in June, because it was summer, they were literally paving the pavement. And when I came back, I was like, I just have to invest in a pair of these. But then I found the dupe and the reverse. So you could do, like, the iconic red sole with, like, the black.

[B]

What is it called? Everywhere.

[C]

Like, the flippy flop bit the toe cleavage.

[B]

Oh, the strap there was like a big Amazon dupe.

[C]

Yeah, it was a big one. But I feel like, as well, like, the humble flip flop was just such a summer staple for us. Like, I don't really see it as a trendy item, but I see the different iterations of it being, like, the trendy thing. Like a kid in heel, the jelly. Like.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

All the different styles. We've seen the flat. I'm doing the platform today. You guys are doing chic leather. Yeah, I think that's.

[A]

We're all doing a leather one, which I think maybe five years ago wasn't as popular as, like, Haviana.

[C]

Totally.

[A]

But I think in Australia, we can confidently say that the thong is staying around. Yeah. We have had eras where it's been more popular and less popular. There was times where the slide was a lot more popular than the thong.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think just maybe in the last, like, 18 months, the thong has really taken over more.

[B]

Yeah. Archies would be having a field day.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

That's so comfy.

[B]

Yeah. So comfy.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, the yellow and brown ones.

Next we have.

Next we have another footwear trend, which is another one that I think you brought to the podcast, which was toe rings. I don't see a toe ring on your foot.

[C]

You know, I actually didn't get around toe rings, but I did anklets, and I felt like anklets are sexy because we all know about my bunions. I don't want to draw too much attention to those things, the sixth toe. But I will get around an anklet, which I thought was super cute.

[B]

I just feel like if I wore a toe ring, I'd also, like, I don't know, like, hug trees and, like, be barefoot.

[A]

Yeah. It does seem a little bit more. A little Bit hippie. Yeah. It feels toe ring a little freer.

[B]

Than my usual style.

[C]

Kate Bosworth blue crash for me.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

[B]

Niche reference. But I really like it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Specific. And I know exactly what you mean. Hard. Agree.

[A]

Do we think toe rings are going to stay around in 2020?

[C]

I'm saying c' est la vie.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I mean, the Olivia Bond anklet, is she. I could get around that if we go a little further up.

[A]

Yeah, I'm not talking about anklets, Gu. Well, we are now.

[B]

All right, what was number three? JoJo.

[A]

Okay, so the next one is the Labubu. Vogue writes if there's one item that will symbolize 2025 in the years to come, it's got to be the Labubu, which is very hard to deny. They were absolutely everywhere. We even have our own labor boos that we unboxed on this show, lest.

[B]

We forget that episode.

[A]

I can't say that I think I'm going to see them in 2026 though. Honestly, I really haven't seen that many in the last three months.

[C]

I've got to agree. I've definitely seen a decline and I feel like people are now peering back their bags again, like we're going through a different phase. I'm seeing more scarves, which I know we'll touch on. Yeah, but I'm saying a lot less.

[B]

Yeah. Hard. Agree. But God, as quickly as they came, they kind of fell, didn't they?

[A]

I think we probably could have foreseen that happening though.

[C]

Totally.

[A]

The fourth item that we picked out of Vogue's list was Oasis merch, which really was absolutely everywhere, thanks to the iconic British bands long overdue reunion and world tour which we saw happen in Australia just recently. Vogue writes that the Gallaghers were always known for their great personal style and it translated into killer merch in the form of T shirts, jackets and yes, bucket hats produced by Adidas that befit the legendary status of the band. I don't think the three of us have any Oasis merch at home.

[C]

It's a no from me.

[B]

No. But like, I've always like, just wanted to go to one of those, like tracksuit parties at the pub. You know when people do like pub crawls and this is so off brand for me, but just know how much I wanted this. I've always wanted to go with friends in matching double set Adidas, three striped tracksuits and just, just crawl to different pubs or whatever.

[A]

Why have I never seen this?

[C]

This is just so rogue for you. But I'm into It so rogue.

[B]

But, like, also how iconic, just watching, like 15 women all in, like, red triple stripe.

[A]

Hen's idea, maybe?

[C]

Yeah, this is a great idea.

[B]

Get the Etsy Witch and we'll do it for the next.

[C]

I feel like the collab with Adidas as well makes it feel a bit more cooler to me. Like, it's so different than when you go to, like, drizzy Drake and then you get, like, all the merch in. I didn't do it, but it's like, I just feel like the merch I've seen was a little bit cooler. It was a little bit more on brand as well.

[A]

Yeah. There's something nostalgic, I think, about the Oasis merch too, because it's from an era that we all grew up in.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And also, don't you think it just symbolizes that ultimately nostalgia is continually on this loop? Like, yes, sometimes it feels like that cycle becomes shorter, sometimes it feels like it blows out longer. But ultimately we keep going back to things that we've already done and seen in a new iterated format.

[C]

Yeah, absolutely. And I feel like the resale value for all of the merch as well. Like. Yeah, clever investment.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now, for the fifth and final year defining fashion item, silk scarves. Once again, this is an item that we have discussed several times throughout this year. Vogue writes that silk scarves were inescapable in 2025. This is one accessory likely to make the list next year too, and I have to agree with that. I agree. I do think we're going to continue to see them. But again, like thongs, I see scarves as one of those things that, yeah, you've always got it in your wardrobe, but it may not be something you bring out every season. We saw scarves. I remember 2007 to 2010. Scarves were really cool.

[C]

Chilly everywhere.

[B]

Also, like, I know that people probably think I'm sponsored by Acquired at this point because I love that podcast so much, but the Hermes episode, which I can't recommend enough, it really is worth every hour of that episode. Like, that is one of the first products that Hermes did outside of saddles, which is what they started in. Hence why they have the haul horses alone. Anyway, go listen to the episode and you too can know all the history. But I'm like a silk scarf. A girlfriend of mine, Sarah, actually had me over at her house to show me all the different ways you could wear it as a top. Yeah, I know at the moment everyone's kind of doing that, like, diagonal thing on your Pants, which I don't think you're going to see from me. I just think I'd look like Ara Mahouties, Johnny Depp in Pirates of the Caribbean. But like, the way that you can do it as a one shoulder top, like, it kind of it gives one of those like market stalls in Queensland where they've got like. And you can wear like this and like this. But I was like, if you buy one really beautiful silk scarf, you kind of have endless opportunity. You know, you can tie it on your bag. You can do the little like boat crew. You know, I've just baked some cookies.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You can do it as a like, cute little sexy top. I'm like, I don't know if I look at silk scarf as a trend rather than just an item. Much like you're saying Jo kind of just rose up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The moment.

[C]

I feel like, as well, you can kind of take the piece because it's almost like wearable art. And then you can frame them, which so many people do, especially with like those more luxe items. But then I know I spoke about this last week, but Soleil, Soleil, a brand that I work with, all of theirs are actually hand painted artworks. So we actually have some framed in the showroom people that they're beautiful gifts around this time of year. They go off for Christmas. Like, they're just such sentimental pieces that you can obviously wear and then frame.

[A]

Yeah, good idea. I like that. Is there anything else that you guys would pinpoint as something of 2025? Like, if you look back in 10 years, what defines trend wise 2025 for you? Because the first thing that came to my mind was the baggy T shirt and lace skirt.

[B]

Yes, good one.

[C]

Oh, that's a really great one.

[B]

I think the lace camis will be a real hallmark of 2025. Like, I feel like there's just a lot of that and kind of the dresses over back over the pants. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Me today. I know. I actually think we have done so much looking back while looking forward, which is something that I absolutely love when it comes to fashion. Like we spoke about before, been quite cyclical. But this year I feel like we were really inspired by Y2K dressing. And we even saw like accessories come back, like those old Balenciaga handbags, the Chloe Paddington, like, things that from our past eras come back into the forefront. And I feel like we might be seeing some more 80s nod to 70s continuing into 2026. Like, obviously YSL has come out with the big retro sleeves, the big shoulders like we're seeing so much of that Chloe synonymous with boho. I feel like we might see a new era coming through.

[B]

I do love a big Chloe style sunglasses. Happily see that little trend come back. So I've got a pair waiting.

[C]

You would really suit them.

[B]

I've got a pair. Yeah, got them 80% off on net a porter years ago.

[C]

Love that.

[A]

Absolute bargain. Okay, next we're going to talk about the rise of convenience beauty. But that'll be right afterward from today's sponsor.

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Last week news that comedian and media personality Celeste Barber's beauty brand Buoy Beauty would be entering Woolworths and my golly gosh did the Slack channel go off about this one. In a press release about the news, Woolworths said that the launch forms part of the evolution of Woolworths beauty and skin care offering with the supermarket now offering more than 115 brands ranging from makeup, skincare, beauty tools, nails, hair care and more. They said over the past three years cosmetic sales at Woolworths have grown by 50%. That did not surprise me in the slightest.

[A]

I mean given Emco. Yeah, makes sense.

[B]

Exactly. It got us thinking about the rise of convenience beauty and something in news.com article explored earlier this year. According to their article, there's been a huge increase in demand for beauty products in supermarkets across Australia, but particularly Coles and Woolworths and then low discount retailer Big W. The article said that Kohl's is experiencing a surge in customer demand for beauty products with the retailer stating that economic strain on Aussie households is a key part of the change to shopping habits. I want to start I guess with a question because we've spoken a lot about MCO who we know are available in supermarkets now, but are there any beauty products you previously wouldn't have bought at the supermarket that you now would or do?

[A]

Maybe hand washes? Yeah, because I Think there are a nicer range of hand washes out now like that Soma brand. I think we've spoken about that before.

[B]

Yes, that's hand and body wash.

[A]

Yes. And yeah, body wash as well. Yeah, I like that that addition to supermarkets because previous it would be like, oh, you've got to go into an aesop and invest a lot of money in a nice looking, you know, a nice packaging. It's not just a palm olive.

[B]

Yeah. You know, I mean some of my supermarket favorites off the top of my head, Dermal therapy will always be at the top of the pyramid. Nivea rich nourishing body lotion which I tend to use like at the end of a night for like a thick lather. What else do I love? I mean Soma body wash, I buy the seed or one of that, which is really quite beautiful. It's I think for anyone who loves something like a little bit woody or you know, like nice little heavier, you know, that's kind of in my wheelhouse also. You know, Annika and I off Mike were just saying how much we love oral B toothpaste. So you know that old chestnut works well too.

[C]

Yeah. Ever since I got pregnant, I've been really trying to like pare back my skin care and use gentle products. The Cetaphil gentle skin cleanser is so good, it's affordable. I love getting it from the supermarket. And we all know I'm a gray girly, so of course I buy my box hair dyes. Shout out to l' Oreal Revlon, anybody who will actually like help move my grays. It's always a go to for me.

[B]

Jo, you worked for a beauty retailer as did I. Not to leave you out. Annika, Sorry. How have you perceived this shift and have you noticed this? Do you think it is just economic or do you think that it has more to do with the evolution and introduction of brands like soma?

[A]

Well, I think the convenience piece that you spoke about at the top of that intro to this headline is a major factor for people. They don't want to wait for things or they want it really, really quickly. And that was a huge USP or unique selling point for Adore Beauty, who I used to work for years ago because they had extremely fast shipping. So even people that were based regionally would likely get their order the next day rather than them having to drive two hours to the next town to go to chemist's warehouse.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it is the ease of accessing these brands. I think there is a wider spectrum of skincare available to people. Skincare in particular, obviously we've got em co being a little bit more makeup focused. I think they do a little bit of skin care. But the brands in supermarkets now, there's just so many, and I think it's overwhelming to people. A lot of my own clients, you know, in skincare consultations, like, there's just too much out there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know what I'm. I should be buying. And so that I think there's pros and cons to this availability in supermarkets because obviously I want skincare to be accessible to everybody. Everyone should be able to access it, regardless of what your budget is. But there's also the con of going in blindly to purchasing these kinds of products. And we've got a lot of brands in supermarkets now that are selling retinols on the shelves. And I see it time and time again, clients coming to me being like, oh, I'm. I had a really bad reaction to retinol. And I'm like, no, no, you just didn't know how to use it and that's okay. But, like, if there's no instruction around how to use these ingredients, how are you meant to know how to incorporate that into a skincare routine if you don't know anything about skincare? Such a point. So you don't have that context when you're shopping in a supermarket. And I think a lot of it is just like impulse buying.

[B]

Yeah, agree. I think as well, like, my observation has been that the supermarket kind of caught up with where the market was going. I think it became really clear that brands like Glow Recipe and Drunk Elephant and brands that had real DNA and personality were really starting to fly.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And gain a lot of popularity. So then, you know, I kind of feel like Monday hair care going into Kohl's is like where in my mind where the signal shift happened. Because then it was kind of like gem into the market. The breakout hacked was then in Kohl's. We've got Soma, we've got Sunday. Like, it felt like these rise of brands that looked like brands that kind of could have been online at a door or on the shelves of Mecca suddenly being available for a third of the price in the supermarket. I know Emco is another one, undeniably so. But I'm talking about brands that weren't necessarily just lifting and loading the whole DNA of what another brand looks like.

[A]

And I think they're are a lot of brands at the moment. Their vision board when they're creating a brand is Coles and woolies. They're not even creating a brand to be D2C. They're just wanting to be in supermarkets.

[C]

It's smart. Hey, like, I mean, when you kind of have those buzzwords that you were talking about before, like, as such a beauty novice, I feel like I would get so overwhelmed and not know. But if you were like, to me, Annika, no, this is your routine. You can get that product from the supermarket. I'd be like, absolutely. It's kind of that. That educational piece for me that's missing.

[A]

Yeah. I do recommend the Breakout Hack quite a lot, but I would say I. Typically, when I'm working with a lower budget for a client, I'm relying on chemist brands and K beauty brands. So I'm recommending Laura Posay really frequently. Bioderma, our K beauty brands like Cosrx, Beauty of Joseon. They're all ones that I really lean on because they have those more affordable price points, but it allows me to still build out a really effective routine for someone.

[C]

Yeah, nice.

[B]

I do love that kind of. The supermarket aisle did transform from tampons and toothpaste and things like that. And I love those brands that look great. Right? Like, I love that the Breakout hack and, you know, Monday and everything looks great. But I'm not gonna lie as well. Having worked in product development and beauty development. I also love that a brand like Dermal Therapy has been unapologetic about the fact that they're not particularly cool. Like, they haven't gone and changed their packaging. And I think social media and TikTok has kind of proved that platforms can have this groundswell of virality that can completely change the trajectory of a brand. I mean, even the. I think it's the Vaseline body Glow lotion that's going off at the moment on TikTok. Yeah, I'm like, it's never on the shelf anymore. And I'm like, that's been there for years. It doesn't look particularly good. Palmer's cocoa butter has been around. I think I was slapping that on in Year seven thinking that the hot guy in Year eight was going to.

[A]

Just fall it again.

[B]

His feet on the train when he saw me, you know, and maybe take me to the school dance. But I'm like, that's been around for ages. And then you're watching like some Gen Z being like, I love this new Palmers. And I'm like, dolt.

[C]

It's been around, let me tell you.

[B]

I'm not saying I'm old, but I've Been around them a lot and that is not a new one. So, yes, I love the Somas and the Mondays, but I also love that kind of these, like, old school nostalgia or unapologetically uncool. Sure, they're not in a boardroom calling themselves that, but they are.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I'll be shuddering hearing this one.

[C]

We are so sorry.

[B]

Dermal therapy knows that. I think it's the fucking coolest thing since sliced bread. I've got about 800 of those lip balms.

[C]

I actually really like this because I think as well, like every time I go to la, I go to Erewhan and like, obviously this is a luxury supermarket. I'm talking about now. Like luxury.

[B]

You're spending 32 Australian dollars on a smoothie. Tell us more. 40.

[C]

But anyway, something I actually really loved when I went there was they are really leaning into, like that whole organic ethos and they really leaned into, like, the products on offer. You could buy anything from, you know, lemme gummies all the way through to your smoothies and then Whole Foods and everything else. But their beauty aisle was actually really impressive. And they had brands like Cora Organics, like Shout out to our Aussies. They also have some super cool zeitgeisty brands like Supergoop and then also Kosas.

[B]

But they also have Tower 28 there.

[C]

Love that. But I feel like they're doing a good job at speaking to the community and their shopper who would actually be like, this is convenient. I love these brands. I trust them and I will buy them from here. Yeah, because that's a.

[A]

People buying there are like. That's their input. Whole spot.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Curses. Tower 28, $40.

[B]

Perfect. Do you know what I do have to say as well? Like, we covered dupe culture on an episode that Ray and I did on our fortnightly Friday episode, and we actually spoke about brands that are kind of doing dupe in a way. And we did actually reference soma, which we brought up, and full transparency. Soma was developed by two friends of mine, Georgie and Camille. Worked with them both at Mecca. I love what they've done and I think that, you know, it is really important that beauty is accessible. And I think it is. Is a symptom of the economic times we're in. But also, you know, I think we're seeing so much being lifted behind, you know, the curtain of beauty and how things are developed, that not everything needs to be expensive and luxe.

[A]

Yeah. Well, I think the ordinary really paved the way for these brands in that you just, like, you don't need to spend ridiculous amounts of money to see results.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's kind of why I love a brand like the Ordinary, which some, you know, dermal therapists might hate me for saying that, but it's a great way to get people into skincare. And then they become more interested in skincare because they're seeing results. Yeah. And then there's that ability to continue molding their routine and making sure that it's always well suited to their skin type and concerns.

[B]

So 1000%. Okay, we're back with opinions, please. And this one is a goodie. We did foreshadow where this might be going, but we've had a lovely listener write in and her subject line of the email was help, exclamation mark. I hate my boyfriend's style. How can I help him improve it? One of my more flavorful emails that we've seen come across stylish and I'm obsessed. Our lovely listener Lucinda wrote in. Hi, lovelies. I'm a longtime listener. Thanks so much for listening. This is my first time writing in. First time caller. I know Jo has spoken on socials before about how she's upgraded her partner's style.

[A]

I'm looking at Ada Go Ado.

[B]

So I thought this might be the right place to send my dilemma. A few months ago, I met an amazing guy and things are going incredibly well. But his style is the only thing that is letting it all down. We made things official a few weeks ago and I'm really happy with him, but I really dislike how he dresses. I know that it's a superficial thing, but I'd consider myself and my friends pretty into fashion. Fashion girlies, if you will.

[C]

Love that.

[B]

And I really do put a lot of time and thought into my outfits, as it's still early days with this guy. He hasn't met any of my friends yet, so I haven't had to worry about how they might perceive his lack of style. But I'm taking him to Christmas drinks next weekend where he'll finally meet my circle of girlfriends, and I'm feeling really nervy. I say this with kindness, but he really just has zero sense of style. Girls, I need any and all advice here. How do I politely tell my boyfriend to level up his style without hurting his feelings? Love, your loyal listener, Lucinda. Xoxo. Not to be confused with Gossip Girl.

Jo, given you were singled out in this one.

[A]

I was. And this one was targeted.

[B]

And given Ash's Ado to Adrian transformation.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

What advice do you have for Lucinda.

[A]

So the first thing that I. I kind of want to lay the groundwork here. I don't know how long Lucinda has been seeing this guy for, but it was probably about six months before I started to transition Adrian's wardrobe. But what I want to say Adrian to Adrian. He's Adrian now.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So what I want to start by saying is kind of don't feel like your friends are going to be judging his outfit. Like, don't make that part of why you're nervous for him to meet your friends. They should be looking at how he's treating you and behaving and getting along with them. That is going to be their main focus of the evening. Like, as a friend, that would be my main focus. I don't care if he's wearing an ugly T shirt. I'm going to mention it to you later and be like, maybe we could. Maybe we could get him a new one.

[C]

Secret Santa Winklin.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it can also be a gradual thing. I know that style and a lack of style can be really off putting. Like, the way that someone presents themselves can be a really big part of attraction, I think. And so if that's really putting you off, but everything else is right, I guess there is ways to approach it differently. I'm a very blunt and straightforward person, so I didn't know that. Weird. I didn't tiptoe around that with Adrian, but I did allow for the relationship to kind of blossom before I went down that path and cleaned out his wardrobe. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

But I knew the work was gonna be worthwhile.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. I was like, he is the kind of person that I want, and what he wears doesn't define that, but there's ways that I can kind of mold him a little bit and update his wardrobe.

[B]

You're like, you're fantastic, but you could be perfect. Yes.

[C]

And that he is.

[A]

His wardrobe was just outdated. Like, he clearly had not updated his wardrobe in a really long time. Like, there was still stereosonic singlets in there. You know the ones with the really baggy, like, oh, what an animation. Paws almost out. He had, like, several of those that.

[B]

I had to do giving big day out. Like 2014.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. And it was 2022.

[C]

So I'm glad the listeners can't see my face. I just shriveled up my whole entire. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. If you still with us.

[A]

But it was gradual. It wasn't like, oh, you've got to come with me to Chadstone. And we've Got to drop a thousand dollars today. I just gradually, if we were at the shops, let's pop into Zara. Let's have a look at what they've got. Maybe, oh, maybe you could get like, a new pair of. Of, like, you know, straight leg pants, and let's try them on. And I would pull an entire outfit and then be like, oh, what do you think about this? And as he started trying things on, he started to see my vision a bit more. And because his love language is words of affirmation, I was just gassing him.

[B]

I was like, oh, you look so good, so handsome. He did look great.

[A]

But, like, the feedback and other people would say it to him as well. Like, oh, I really love that shirt. Or, like, it's really good. And I think just hearing all of that feedback, it was kind of like, oh, okay, I'm a bit more open to this transformation now. But I wasn't too forceful about implementing that new style immediately. It was about slowly accumulating pieces. We'd go to Zara Cos, Unison, Uniqlo. Not places where you're spending a heap of money. But we can accumulate some basics that he can also dress himself in. It doesn't need me to be home to put together an outfit.

[B]

Do you know what I always say? I'm like, guys have it so much easier than girls. Because, I mean, the irony of what I'm about to say, because Joey's quite literally sitting across from me wearing exactly what I'm about to say. A good white T shirt.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

A pair of jeans that fit well and a good sneaker will go a long way for a man.

[C]

It's really not hard, is it?

[B]

I really think there's a great business model in men being able to go and get styled by a woman who can be like, let's help.

[C]

Yes, 100%. And I like how you did it. I like how you did it as well, because you softened the blow. Because I feel like personal style can be so personal, and it can be something that men are quite proud of. And females.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But, like, believe it or not, I like to. I'm so proud of James style. When I first met this guy back in, like, 2013, homeboy was so obsessed with the color red. Like, it was. I don't understand, like, red everything and Ralph Lauren. So it was like a red Ralph Lauren cap.

[B]

Holy shit. Is he me?

[C]

I think he is. And I'm like, you guys love a.

[B]

Dad spitter, and I love Ralph Lauren.

[C]

No, like, literally red Ralph Lauren polo board shorts. Songs, Jan Dills, whatever you want to call them. I know, but I realized the juice was worth the squeeze and I slowly introduced him to things. So I complimented the tonal dressing, but less offensive colors. So our wardrobe building blocks became blacks, whites, grays, a little bit of navy, brown, navy chic on man. So chic. And even though like having brown and red softly paired together in a way and then that kind of lifted the confidence, he liked where I was going.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And we have James Pluman today.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I think, I think it's framing it as compliment and connection, not correction.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Oh, there we go. Look at the wordsmith over here. Look out Taylor Swift. I'm a comin. I think the minute that you go, I hate that, or you can't wear that or that looks like shit, it's like you're insulting someone.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

If a man walked into my wardrobe and said, you're not wearing that, I'd be like, get out. We ain't flipping this wardrobe unless you're paying for it. Then you, let's go shopping. Give me the credit card. I'm going chatty. But, but I think if you're going that looks great on you or like it's those subtle things. But I think you're right. It's putting the financial pressure on someone to go and change their entire wardrobe or you know, pushing your own agenda of I want you to dress like that or wear that. To go back to this. This is in a fortnight. What does she do?

[A]

It's hard because as you just said, like they might be really proud of their style and also might have their own defined style. They might really like wearing like, I don't know, grungy clothes. And you putting them in a knitted polo is not going to feel natural to them.

[B]

I like how you're looking me directly in the eye, knowing full well that I would be like a polo. Pop on the polo, a cashmere over the shoulders with a clean, crisp eyed shirt would just look so beautiful.

[A]

I think a trip to Uniqlo is worth it for just a simple pair of pants and a T shirt, a white T shirt as you said before, or the nicely fitted pair of jeans, a white T shirt and a pair of sneakers.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe you could suggest that you go to the shops and just happen to fall into Uniqlo or Zara for a little look. See in the men's section, a creep Christmas shop.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I actually think the timeliness of this as well works quite well. Cause you could be less offensive by being like my Shout little gift, wink, wink, like you've got your Christmas present. Christmas present. Putting them together. But something actually Elliot mentioned last week on our episode when we were talking about. About who we can look to in men's fashion for styling advice. Could she subtly drop, like, Harry Styles? Jacob Elordi.

[B]

You look so much like Jacob elordi. He's like, 5, 10.

[C]

Can we find his celeb doppelganger? And, like, if he's got this style.

[B]

Be like, I. Yeah, it's so funny. Is there, like, a style, like, for me, if I was to. When we get the Etsy witch and I can pick what he's gonna dress like, I might like. Let's do P Johnson for less. Buying a sweater or a shirt from P Johnson is obviously on the far more XY side. But going to Cos or Uniqlo, to your point, I'm like, you can get that look for less. Like, I think just like, making sure things are tailored. Uniqlo do free tailoring of your pants in store. I'm like, it's just the little 10% bits.

[C]

Yeah, it's so true. I feel like the Scandies do no wrong. Like, if you go to. Cos I feel like that's instantly a recipe for success. And even like. Like finding what is the thing that you most don't like about his outfit. Like, what's the most offensive thing for me, I don't know why, but when I was a single Pringle, I used to judge a man by his feet up. So I'd always look at his shoes. Cool shoes. Into them, gross shoes.

[B]

What would you be most offended by in the footwear department?

[C]

Oh, my God, I'm about to say the thong and I'm like, rip James's Red Love from. They were in the trash straight away.

[B]

I don't miss you. I don't miss you. Don't miss them.

[C]

He wouldn't dare wear a thong around me now.

[A]

I also think, Lucinda, I actually reckon it might be a power play for you to rock up as he is, have your friends judge him for who he really is and then you can start the transition afterwards and just gradually. Maybe you go to the shops after that. Let's get a few outfits for Christmas events. You've got your family thing, I've got my family thing. Let's, like, get a few things, build out your wardrobe a little bit more, do it softly like that.

[B]

I also think as well, I think about my own girlfriends and, like, you know, some of them might be like, oh, Maddie's into fashion. If my girlfriend had, like, previously had a shitty boyfriend or hadn't had a boyfriend for ages and brought a guy to meet me for Christmas drinks, I would be tickled pink.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Let me tell you, I'm not looking at his footwear or what T shirt he's wearing. I'm like, get in the corner and let me ask you 27 questions. Let's start with your Maya Briggs and your star sign and then we'll work down from there. But I'm not going, hey, is that a mambo T shirt? And like, are they? Oh, God, I hope they're not Yeezy sneakers. As long as they're not those, I'm good with the rest.

[A]

Yeah. Their style is the least important thing to your friends.

[C]

It is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So just remember that you don't need to overhaul him in the next fortnight.

[B]

Yeah. And I get why she cares. Like, we give grace to why she cares. Cause girl, I'd be the same and.

[C]

Style is something we can change. It's not a deal breaker.

[B]

But he sounds like he's a bloody divine little legend.

[A]

He does. Yeah.

[C]

Seemed dinnerpeck. Go on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Send us his style evolution in 12 months time, please.

[B]

Yeah. Maybe you too can have a social series like Jo and Adrian's Blow Up. From Ado to Adrian. I think we'll end it on that note, right back to where we started, which is Ash getting a pump up for his best man speak. That is all for this week's episode of Stylish. Thank you very much for joining us and very nice to have the band back together. Thank you both, Joanna Fleming and Annika Joshi Smith. Always.

[A]

Excuse me, Fleming Coucher for this episode. Fleming Coucher.

[B]

Thank you, Joanna Fleming Coucher. And remember, you can drop us an email anytime. Maybe if you've blown up your boyfriend, let us know at style-ishamelessmedia.com or you can slide on into our DMs over at Stylish Pod, we can't forget to thank the beautiful, shameless media team, head of podcast, Lucy Hunt and our senior podcast producer, Kate Emmerburg, who did tell us how great her boyfriend dressed so she didn't have to worry about.

[C]

Shout out to you, Rob.

[A]

We see you.

[B]

Ray and I will be back with you on Friday and we'll be right back here next Wednesday. See you then.

[A]

See ya.

[C]

Ciao.

Foreign.

[A]

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