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Kim Constable – Sculpted Vegan Founder & Nutrition Truth-Teller | The Fitness Industry Myth That’s Keeping You Weak and Sick
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Scott Clary
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Kim Constable
Can I bust a myth right here? Yeah, at the minute I keep seeing people saying that they're cooking with avocado oil and this drives me bananas. And this just shows me how people just see something on social media and everyone's doing it. They think that it's okay.
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Scott Clary
She's not your typical CEO.
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Kim Constable
At 37, Kim Constable was a homeschooling mom of four until she decided to.
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Scott Clary
Become a pro bikini athlete and millionaire.
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Kim Constable
Entrepreneur at the same time. Today she runs one of the world's largest online vegan bodybuilding companies with multi million dollar revenue that's doubled year after year. So what I always say to people is, oh, you shouldn't tuxedo. And I'm like, why? And they can't answer because they don't know. It's like, well, I saw it on TikTok. Avocado oil is the worst oil you could ever, ever cook with in your entire life because it is a polyunsaturated fat. Only saturated fats that exist in the world are coconut oil, animal fat and ghee. That's it.
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Scott Clary
But more than that, she's built a.
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Kim Constable
Movement empowering thousands to rewrite their limits, build real businesses and create freedom on their own terms. The more I see of the world, the more I realize that our schools are doing our kids a disservice because they do not understand who to evaluate data outside of emotion and perception. Through her platform, the Million Dollar Mentor, Kim shares the mindset, strategy and grit it takes to grow something real from scratch. This isn't about hustle culture, it's about knowing what you're worth and building like you mean it. This thing in my hand, this phone, if I chose to throw that away, none of that would exist. It only exists because we pay attention to it. Your success in life will be measured by the amount of difficult conversations you're willing to.
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Scott Clary
Kim, tell me about an inflection point, a moment in your young life that pushed you on the path that you're on today. Just one, Just one.
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Kim Constable
Like it's so hard for me probably going to boarding school at age 7. So it was one of the worst times of my life and one of the best times of my life probably was one of the best outcomes because there's something extremely potent happens whenever you are 7 years of age and you're sent off to boarding school and your parents decide to separate just after you go to boarding school. So the only time you see your mum, who is effectively your anchor in life is every other weekend from Saturday lunchtime until Sunday evening. You learn to become very self reliant and very resilient. And I would honestly say that having the hardship of going to boarding school whenever I was younger and just having to figure out and fend for myself and take care of myself and take care of my sister who was a lot More fragile than me. I think that was one of the things that taught me to be very, very, very self reliant and a really good problem solver because it wasn't like you could go to mommy and daddy and say, mommy I need this and daddy I need that. You know, you had to learn to do without which, you know, be hungry because there's no food because you're in boarding school and you know, you have to wait for breakfast, lunch and, and dinner time or so you either have to learn to be okay with being uncomfortable and go without or you have to figure out a way to get stuff that you want which doesn't come from mommy and daddy. And I would honestly say that that's probably one of the things that has made me not only very accepting of whatever life throws at me. You know, I can, I can, I can, you know, lie in the swankiest of five star hotels and I can camp in my horse lorry with my horses, you know, in a field full of mud and either, and either place I'm happy. So I think that definitely going to boarding school from a young age turned me or created, you know, someone very, very resilient and a great problem solver. And because you only asked for one, that's, that's probably the most profound one.
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Scott Clary
We can, we can, I mean we'll get through, we'll probably, we'll probably hit a whole bunch more. What do you think? I've thought about this a lot because you can use yourself and your sister as an example. So two people thrown into the same situation. You mentioned that you had to take care of your sister. What do you think at a young age is the trigger or the indicator of whether or not somebody can lean into hardship and come out okay on the other side?
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Kim Constable
Hmm. I think a lot of it is self, a lot of it is taught, a lot of it is modeled. Is two things that I would say my parents were. Both are real caretakers. But it's funny how I'm the youngest and I, we're all caretakers. I have two sisters, two older sisters. We're all caretakers to the same degree of people. But I definitely have the strength that comes with it that probably they don't have. You know, the, the drive which probably comes from being the third child. So I think first of all, I think a lot of, a lot of it is modeled. My parents, both, I, I watched them in my childhood spending their entire lives helping people, cooking for people, taking in people who were going through div. Like we had Random people living with us at any one time, like I. And as a child, you never question it. Why is, you know, David McCollum sleeping on the couch for six months. You don't question it. He's just here and he's sleeping on the couch. You know, why is this person staying with us? Why are they here? My dad ran a car. It's funny, my husband always says, Kim's dad is a used car salesman. And I'm always like, he had a bloody dealership. Like he had a, a Ford dealership. You know, he's like, he used car salesman. It's kind of a bone of contention between us because I'm like imagining some, you know, you don't know who Del Boy is probably here in the uk, Del Boy was like, there was a.
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Scott Clary
Show used car salesman. I think everybody understands exactly what the.
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Kim Constable
You know, with all of his like, you know, his like sleazy ways. But so my dad had a. Which was in fact a used car sales business in our, in our. At our house. And so he spent every single day, you know, in the office and back and forth the office and selling cars and dealing with people. So every single day there was a stream of customers coming in and out of the yard. There was a stream of people calling him, needing him to come and collect their car, pick them up, help him out. There were al always hangers on honors, male hanger honors. You know, his crony is posse of people, mechanics and people who just wanted to come and sit and chat. I grew up in the country. It's a very country way. So I guess what I watched from my parents when I was younger was what when someone picks up the phone and says, I'm in trouble, the first thing you do is jump in the car and you go and collect them. It was. I just watched my parents have this network of being, I guess, you know, in a small country town, Isla McGee, you know, in Northern Ireland. My dad was, you know, he has to jokingly referred himself as the mayor of Isla McGee. You know, there was no mayor in Islet McGee, but he was definitely a very prominent figure and a prominent figure who took care of people. So that was one of the things that was always modeled for me and modeled for my two sisters. But because I was the youngest of three and there was three in three years. I'm 46, my sister's 47. My other one's 48. So my per mother, like three girls in three years. I don't know how she survived. And I think that because I was the youngest and therefore had my two sisters to lean on. I think the birth order is actually very, very important and it's not something that people talk about a lot, but as the youngest of three girls, whenever there was a problem or whenever mom was mad with us and we were like grounded in our room, or whenever it was Christmas morning and, you know, we wanted to see had Santa been yet. I was always the one who was pushed forward. It was like, kim, go see a Santa bean. Kim, go and see his mom still mad at us. Kim, go and do this. Kim, go and do that. Because I was the youngest and my sisters were telling me like, they wouldn't be sending me off in these errands unless they believed that I was capable of doing them. I think is what the belief in me was instilled in me. And so I developed a lot of self confidence from a very young age that, that I could go out and do things, solve problems and get it done. And get it done because my sisters believed in me and they were always pushing me to be the one to go and do it. And me, like a mug went and did it because I didn't know any different. So I think that then, of course, when we went to boarding school, my older sister was fine, the oldest, but my middle sister struggled a lot. She was always had a lot of, you know, she was always scared of a lot of things. Scared of the dark, scared of monsters, scared of things. And I guess because, because I was the youngest and I wasn't scared of these things, I kind of felt it was my job to take care of her, which is what I did. And I think that then that has just carried right through my entire life. Because honestly, Scott, if you ask anyone who knows me, like, what is Kim known for? Kim takes care of people.
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Scott Clary
So you learn how to take care of people. You learned how to lean in, you learned how to take responsibility. No one's coming to save you. How does that manifest in sort of the first version of your career? Because you were a yoga teacher for a long period of time. So it's still teaching, educating, supporting. Talk to me about that.
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Kim Constable
Do you know what's funny? Even I love that you're saying this because I like, I've been studying the human brain, the developing brains, human psychology for 20 years. Like, I've worked with a coach for 20 years. Like unpacking, like trauma from childhood and working on limitations and stimulus response patterns. Like, it's what I do. I love it. And, but I, it's, it's Funny, I became a yoga teacher by default. Really? Like, I, I love teaching. My. My dad wasn't. My dad is always teaching and he always has like a. He has like a. There's like a right way to do things. He's quite OCD in fairness, and all the best people are. And so you couldn't just put something in the dishwasher. When we were younger, he would be like, no, no, no, it doesn't go there. The cups go at the back and the glass go at the front. And this goes here and you stack this here. He always had to show you, like, a way to do things that was better than the way you were doing them. So I just have that. This need when I see, like, a problem to fix it or to help or to step in there. But it definitely, definitely comes from that. However, it's funny, the. The yoga teacher. I. I became a yoga teacher when I literally threw in the toil. I was like, fuck this shit. I was like, I'm not. Like. I had been trying and failing to start an online business for years, years, and decided that it was far too much work. I couldn't do it. I was breaking myself in half. I wasn't making any money. So I was just going to give it up and do the thing that I loved, which was yoga. I was practicing yoga religiously every day for an hour or two hours every day. Studying online, studying tutorials, like, I love learning. I'm like a sponge. And I just, as I was like, well, I know that I could make money at this because this is, you know, something that I love doing. I'm really good at. I love teaching. So I'm going to become a yoga teacher. So that is how I actually became a yoga teacher. It wasn't. It wasn't even like a. A, you know, like a lifelong dream or some, you know, it was something that I decided to do because I knew I could make money at it whenever. I'd been trying and failing to make money online for years, and I knew I was going to get a divorce, actually, if I didn't. If I didn't start pulling in some money without spending it. Although I've definitely more than made up for it now, I can tell you.
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Scott Clary
I have no doubt.
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Kim Constable
Yeah, I can't even remember what your question was. I think I just rambled. Sorry.
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Scott Clary
Oh, no, it was, it was just. I was just teeing up. I was so, you know, you, you. When we first. We first kicked this off, you said only one inflection point. I'm like, yeah, just to start, but now I'm just looking at all the different things that created who you are today. Really. That's really what I was teeing up was. When you were, when you were practicing yoga was diet. I mean, I mean diet for people that are into working out and into fitness. It's always a thing. But was it as much of a component of your life as it is now?
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Kim Constable
So here's what happened. I was 21 years of age, living on a diet as most 21 year olds do, of bacon buddies and sausage suppers and, you know, french fries and, you know, with the occasional, you know, good meal thrown in there. I was definitely wasn't vegan at the time. I was living with my boyfriend who he had a yacht. We, I've always ridden horses my entire life. And so we had set up this horse yard together. And so we were very fit and very active. I was very, very, very lean. Like I was a UK or like a US size 2 at the time and I'm 5 foot 8 tall, so I got, was really, really lean. So I was physically active, physically fit, looking great. But I do know it's a really, it's one of these funny moments. I remember one day going to the mirror and going, I was. That pimple on my cheek. I remember like scraping my cheek and thinking like I had like a pimple and as I kind of poked it, moved it, it didn't, you know, like if you, this is disgusting, but like if you have a pimple and you squeeze it, it pops. Well, this was popping, right? And I remember going, what is that? And I remember going, getting a pair of pointed tweezers and poking at this thing and pulling it out, right? And it was a little white ball and I realized it was like a cholesterol deposit in my cheek. That's, and I don't know whether it.
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Scott Clary
Was or it was so gross what happened. That's so gross.
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Kim Constable
I did not expect you to be going in that direction. So I, so what happened was I picked out and so I had a moment. I, I, at the time I was eating a lot of bacon, right? And we didn't have a lot of money at the time. And so, you know, we were, we were spending money on food, but we were probably not buying like the highest quality food. And I was eating a lot of salt, a lot of bacon. I was, you know, drinking probably a lot of alcohol. I was smoking a lot of pot. I was, you know, not the healthiest like 21 year old in the world. And I Remember, that was a pitiful moment for me. I remember thinking, I wonder, should I change my diet? So this weird thing happened. I went to my aunt, had a beach house. Okay, now it sounds very glamorous. It's really not. Like, over here in Northern Ireland, we do not have big beaches. Like, this is Clocky beach we're talking about here. It's like. Like 100 meters long, right? And it's mostly like pebbles and a bit of sand. But she had a house in this little town called Clocky. And I was working at the time in a restaurant. So I was working really long hours, you know, working, you know, and I didn't get much time off, and whenever I did, I was with the horses. So I said to my boyfriend at the time, I was like, jonathan, let's go to Clocky. Like, for our. For my day off, let's leave after, you know, I finish. I've got two days off. We'll go there. We'll go to the beach houses in the middle of winter. And I was like, we will. You know, we'll have. We'll have a great time. Now, this is before iPhones, iPads, this is that. You know, there was Sky TV or whatever, but, like, there was. So I thought, you know, we'll go there. It'll be great. We'll go to the pub and, you know, it'll be fun. So we got to Clockie in the middle of the winter. The wind was howling, the house was absolutely freezing. It was not like the glamorous beach kind of vacation that I had in my head. When we got into the house, I was like, there's no tv. I didn't realize there was no tv. And so I was like, okay, there's nothing to watch. And really there was. You know, we went for a walk, we went to the pub, we came home. It's like there was nothing to do, right? So I thought, okay, well, there must be a book here. Like, I'll try and find a book to read. So I went scarring around my aunt's house, and I. She was a. There were big golfers, and there was like a couple of golf books. And I was like, I would have to literally be at, like, at my, you know, at. At the very end of the earth to have to read a book about golf. So the only other book in the house was this book, which I picked up. I was like, this is the weirdest book to find in my aunt's house because she and my husband, my, you know, uncle, are not, like, super health Consciousness kind of stuff. It was called Eight Weeks to Optimum Health by Dr. Andrew Viel. I think it is W E I L, but I think it's pronounced Viel, but I don't know, I'm just guessing. So I was like, eight Weeks to optimal health. I was like a fucking health book. Like, are you kidding me? Like, is this it? Is this all I have to read? But like starved of anything else to do apart from drink alcohol, I started to read this book. And about one chapter in, I was completely and utterly hooked. He. It was an eight week program where he discussed the water that you drink, the supplements that you take, you know, your, your health, about digital, you know, clocks in the bedroom. Like some of it. I, it's not like I'm evangelical about all that stuff. No, I'm absolutely not. But he opened my eyes to health in a way that no one ever had before. And the biggest thing that I began to learn was about food. He was like, he talked about food labels and about how, you know, the stuff that goes into our foods. And I'd never ever in a million years picked up something on the grocery on the shelf in the supermarket and read the label on the back. I picked it up and looked at the front. Oh, this looks delicious. I'd never even considered calories. It was like, you know, if it looked good, I bought it. Never considered what was, was in the food that I was buying. And he started, he started educating me in this book about preservatives and, and, you know, hydrogen, you know, hydrogenated fats and stuff. Like a lot of people don't even know what a trans fat is. And I learned about saturated fats, monounsaturated fats, polyunsaturated fats, about their molecular structure, what makes a trans fat. And I was just blown away. And being the kind of person who really loves information and learning, this book transformed my life. From that moment on, I became a massive advocate for food and for health and for what we put inside our bodies. Because I was suddenly educated as to all the stuff that I had been doing that I didn't even know was wrong. And I was like walking around telling people, do you know what's in that? Do you know what's in that? Have you read the label on that? Let me just tell you what all these things are. I drove my family bananas. But I think it was the. It's weird. It was like having that, like whatever that little, I thought was a cholesterol bump in my face that came just before this book. And I began to put two and two together and I just began to completely revolutionize my health. And that's when I went down the rabbit hole. I was 21. I'm now 46, so I was 25 years ago and I have been.
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Scott Clary
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Kim Constable
Can I tell you, because you mentioned seed oils, I'm just gonna bust. Can I bust a mess right here? And I was just a little bit, just a little bit of data, right? So at the minute I keep seeing people saying that they're cooking with avocado oil. And this drives me bananas. And this just shows me how people just see something on social media and they. Because it's on social and, and everyone's doing it, they think that it's. That it's okay. So what I always say to people is the whole thing about seed oils, oh, you shouldn't take seed oils. And I'm like, why? And they're like, because they're bad for you. And I'm like, tell me why. Well, because they. Because they're highly processed. And I'm like, really? Why is that bad? And they can't answer because they don't know. It's like, well, I saw it on Tik Tok, right? So I don't buy into the whole seed oil. There, there is. It's not that I buy into it. There is something about seed oils which is. Which there is an like Anything. There's an element of truth in anything, but it's not the complete picture. And I always. So one thing I always ask myself is, who would stand to gain from the propaganda of this information? That's the first thing I ask as soon as anything comes out, as this is bad and this is good, I'm like, okay, who's driving these studies? That's what I want to ask first. Because if you follow the money, you get to where the actual data is. Second thing is, let me just tell you about avocado oil, right? For those of you who are like, oh, I'm. I'm, you know, cooking with avocado oil. Avocado oil is the wor. Worst oil you could ever cook with in your entire life because it is a polyunsaturated fat. People think it's a. It's a saturated fat because it's solid at room temperature when it's an avocado. But there's three types of fat. Saturated fat. Stop me if I'm going to go in. If you're like, kim, this is not the point of the podcast. So there's. There's saturated fats there which are solid at room temperature, and the only saturated fats that exist in the world are coconut oil, animal fat, and ghee. That's it. And how you know that they are saturated, which means they're saturated with hydrogen atoms, is that they are solid at room temperature. Okay, so if some. A fat is solid at room temperature, completely saturated with hydrogen atoms, why is this important? It means that when you heat it, it doesn't have any place on its molecular structure to take on any extra hydrogen atoms, so it's considered stable. So they are the best fats to cook with, especially at a high temperature, because they cannot turn into a trans fat. A trans fat is a fat that has been heated to a smoking point, which means that it has taken on more hydrogen atoms onto its molecular structure, which makes it then solid at room temperature. So if you take a seed oil, for example, a monounsaturated fat, let's say flaxseed oil, right? Monounsaturated fat, flaxseed oil. You heat that to a really super high temperature, what that's going to do is it's going to twist and change the molecular structure of the oil and force it to take on more hydrogen atoms. It then becomes a saturated fat, but it doesn't. It becomes a hydrogenated fat. Okay? A artificially hydrogenated fat, which is actually a trans fat. What makes it solid at Room temperature. Is it taking on extra hydrogen atoms? But that makes it a trans fat. It's not a. It's not a saturated fat. It's not stable for cooking. But why do they do this? They do this so that they can use these fats in cookies and pastries and things that they sell in the supermarket because they have a very long shelf life. Avocado oil is a polyunsaturated fat. It has two or more places on its molecular structure that it can take on extra hydrogen atoms. The reason it's solid at room temperature is because it's a fucking fruit, not because it's a saturated fat. So if you squeeze the oil out of an avocado, it's actually a polyunsaturated fat is the most unstable of fats. You cook with that and you heat that, it instantly becomes a trans fat. Your body doesn't know what to do with trans fats. It can't process them, so it throws them into fat tissue where they. Where they migrate and grow and, like, cause all kinds of havoc in your body. And they're very carcinogenic.
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Scott Clary
In wellness, sometimes you don't see the negative, and sometimes you live with a certain diet or a certain point of view about what you put into your body for years, and it can actually be very harmful. And I don't think the creators put a lot of thought into. If somebody listens to my word as if I was God, what is their health going to be like in 20 years from now?
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Kim Constable
Do you know what else?
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Scott Clary
I don't think creators think that.
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Kim Constable
No, they don't.
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Scott Clary
The majority.
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Kim Constable
I'm actually going to go to the other side, actually of that as well, and tell you something that's happened to me a lot recently, because I understand assumptions and presuppositions in a way that a lot of people don't. So what I mean by assumptions and presuppositions is assumptions are. You have to ask yourself, when you're hearing somebody say something, what would have to be true in order for the person to say this? If I were this person and I was making the. I was saying this thing, what would be the assumption behind what I'm saying? So it's. It's almost like trying someone on, if you like. But there's. And so, like, if. So if you said to me, you know what, Kim eating meat is like, so, so, so good for you. Like, I would never eat anything else, rather than go, well, me. He's wrong. I would go, okay, well, what do I know about Scott what would have to be true in order for Scott to make this statement? Maybe he has suffered from some kind of autoimmune disease. Maybe he has had a bad experience with plants. Maybe he. So I try on all these different things that would have to be true for you to say that. Which leads me to that ask for more data and presuppositions is is. I'll give you an example. Like online for example, I started making a lot of content where I've been taking content that I teach in master classes and we've been breaking it down into bite sized 1 minute chunks to put on, on Instagram and people hear content, which is kind of what you're saying. So I'm getting a lot of flack at the minute people are going this is not true and blah, blah, blah, whatever. And I'm like, no, you're 100. Right, that. And that's not what I'm saying. And they're like, but that is what you said. I'm like, no, no, it's actually not what I said. I'm explaining one process of how your body processes that say utilizes the fructose. What happens to the fructose in fruit? Right, Because I. People hate me whenever I say that fruit is more readily stored as fat because of the fructose in it. So I say say whenever you eat fruit. Fruit is. Because here's what happens whenever you eat fruit. The primary sugar in fruit is fructose. Whenever you're the only, the only organ, not the only, but like the biggest organ in the body or high fruit is fructose is mostly utilized is by the liver. The liver. Very little fructose can actually be utilized, can be broken down into glucose, sent to the tissues for energy to be used as muscle glycogen. So it goes to the liver, it's turned into glycogen in the liver and then it's sent to via triglycerides. Turned into triglycerides and sent to the fat stores. Okay, so it's really sent to fat store one process fructose liver fat store. So I explain this online and people go, you're saying the fruit is making you fat? I'm like, no, no, I'm saying that fruit, the primary sugar and fruit is more easily converted into triglycerides via the liver and stored as fat than any other, you know, than any other sugar. One part of the process. So whenever I'm putting out information like this, I assume that people watching it are going to be able to evaluate data. Data. But what I've learned is people cannot evaluate data. They can't go, well, is this the whole story? What else might she be saying? What else could possibly be true? Which is the presupposition. So it's like, you know, and so like, in order for her to say this, this would have to be true. That's what a presupposition is. And so I think that there is an onus on the creators to create more content. But what I keep pushing back on is it. There's also, there's also an onus on the watchers to say, I agree with that. That is this, like, is what she's saying true? In reality? Whenever I hear someone make a statement about something, I go, oh, interesting. I want to hear more. I'll ask a question. So is what you're saying, whatever. I did this recently with a video. I put out a video and said, muscle only grows in the final reps of the final set if you're training, you know, the. To failure the way that we train. And then I went on to explain how, you know, going four straps, failure reps, whatever causes the muscle to grow. And so, and I got a lot of, a lot of backlash from that video. And people are saying, okay, so you're saying that I should be training this way? And I'm like, like, no. And they're like, that is what you're saying. I'm like, no, there was absolutely no should in this. I'm just explaining how in high intensity training, muscle grows in the final reps of the final set. But all what people hear is, you should be doing this. And if they're not doing it, then they get angry with you. And I'm like, guys, like, chill the out. Like, you know, it's. Or I say most people are, most people are, are, are capable of lifting more than they believe than, than they do. I said, you know, if you've increased your. This is another video we made recently that went viral. If you can increase your weight, if you can squat 30 kilos in the first week, and then you go 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, you were probably capable of squatting 60 kilos in the first week. That was the video. And I had thousands of comments of people going, so you're saying that I should injure myself the first day I go into the gym and squat 60 kilos? I'm like, no, that's absolutely not what I was saying. I was just saying you were capable of lifting more. Not that you should lift more, but I. The more the more I see of the world, the more I realize that our schools are doing our kids a disservice because they do not understand how to evaluate data outside of emotion and perception. You know, there's what I think about the data, there's what I feel about the data, there's how I have evaluated the data, and then there's actually the data, then there's what the person meant in the data. And we're not able to separate our meaning and perception from the actual data and make an evaluation. And I believe that this is one of the major problems in the world right now.
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Scott Clary
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Kim Constable
Do you want to know my, my, my opinion on that?
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Scott Clary
Yes, please.
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Kim Constable
Because it's the difference between data. It's the difference between holding a principle through fear or holding a principle through ethic. So let me explain. My second son, Kai, was. Whenever I turned vegan, I was very evangelical about being vegan because I hadn't developed an ethic around it. I just decided that. That this is what I was going to do. So a lot of what I was doing was based on rules. I still had these urges to, you know, eat cheese and to, you know, have eggs. And I missed all these things, but I was almost like, you know, rather than embrace that and be like, you know, you know, I'll maybe, you know, if I want to have some cheese, I'm going to have some cheese. I was like, no, I am vegan. Right? I am vegan and I cannot have those things. And, and here's why those things are bad for you, by the way. Let me give you all the reasons why those are bad for you, right? And so I was a bit preachy to people, and so. And then I watched my son Kai. He became. My kids were all vegetarian. And then Kai became an ethical vegan when he was younger. And so he was like, he decided he's very, very like me, and he just decides on a viewpoint and he's, like, absolutely staunch about it. And so he became an ethical vegan. And he got worse and worse and worse and worse and worse. And he began to. And he was like, he wouldn't, you know, wear feathers in his coat. He wouldn't, you know, it's like, where did this. He began to source all these ethical products. He wanted to know the history of everything and where it came from and the meat sources. And like, he, he was like. And I was like, oh, wow. Like, I am not that kind of vegan. But he was very, very devout about it. But here's how I knew it was a rule. First of all, he was 15, so he doesn't, he doesn't really understand ethics or have them or had developed them yet because he didn't have the life experience. But secondly, he fought with me on a daily basis as to why I was not vegan enough and why every time I made a choice that wasn't, you know, the most ethical choice that I could make, he punished me for it. And so whenever, whenever we have something that's part of us, and this is what happens with the angry, preachy vegans. I call them the, you know, the angry, preachy vegans call me and say I'm not vegan enough to be vegan. And so they get very angry at me whenever they see me carrying a Chanel ham bag or wearing something, you know, leather, because I'm, I'm plant based, I'm not an ethical vegan, so I wear leather and that kind of stuff. And so whenever they would see me doing things like that, they punish me. The minute you have an urge to punish someone, it's because they've broken a rule that you have. Because rules are always based on fear. I have a rule or I, I have, there's something about this that causes me fear or that, that feels uncomfortable for me. And so whenever I do it, I feel uncomfortable. Whenever I see you do it, that makes me feel uncomfortable. But I don't know how to go, oh, wow, that's interesting. That's triggering me, I'm feeling uncomfortable. Let me unpack that kind of what we were talking about earlier. I go, you need to stop doing that. I need you to stop doing it right now so I can stop feeling uncomfortable. Because if I can just stop you from doing that thing, it's like, you know, if I'm married to a guy who drinks and like I have a fear of drinking every time he drinks, I'm going to punish him because if I can just stop him from drinking, I can stop feeling the fear. So it's a very out of cause way of thinking. So whenever something is a rule, we will punish someone based on the rule that we have because we need them to stop doing the things so we can go back to feeling okay. Whenever something is an ethic, it's part of you. You don't need to change anyone, judge anyone. You don't need to, you know, like explain to anyone what you're doing. And if someone punishes you for what you're doing, you say, okay, sure, like you don't need, you don't feel the need to defend it. And that's the main difference. So what I've noticed with influencers online are people online who get really angry at me or tell me I'm not vegan. Enough to be vegan or these kinds of things. Anyone who ever has the urge to punish someone for doing something or like, or like, you know, write an angry comment or anything, it's because that person has broken a rule that they have. And that rule is based on fear. When something is based on an ethic. When someone says to me, you know, well, you shouldn't be doing that, I just go, you're probably right, you probably shouldn't. And they're like, well, you shouldn't. I'm like, I know, I know. I wish I was perfect, but I'm not. And I'm not saying it facetiously. I'm not like, oh yeah, I wish I was perfect. You, I'm like, like, you know, yeah, you're right. Like I'm not perfect. I wish I was, you know, but you know, it's just the way it is.
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Scott Clary
Do you think that if, if we go a level deeper, do you think that that fear based, that, that, that fear based perspective is actually a sign of incomplete understanding, a little bit of incompetence and a slight lack of intelligence in the area that they're actually championing?
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Kim Constable
No, it's based on. Because if you want disintegration, which I, in my experience of working my own issues, it's based on disintegration, which comes from childhood. So basically what happens is when we're, when we're kids, we, we go out and we explore the world and we do things and we make mistakes and we have, we don't have a belief structure, we don't have an ethical foundation or understanding of the world. When we're children, we're just little kids, right, Just like fumbling around, making mistakes, you know, figuring shit out. But our parents in the world are, you know, are reactive and they were brought up, you know, as children and so they have rules and different things for how we should be. And so we do something one day, inadvertently. This is a very simple thing. Like say I'm eating cereal at the breakfast table. My mom is in a bad mood. I don't know she's in a bad mood, but she's, you know, she, I have a new. She has a newborn baby and she's stressed trying to get me out of the house. And maybe she's having a difficult relationship with my dad and, and she's like trying to cook dinner and the baby's crying and I'm just a little kid, 4 years old, 4 years of age, sitting at the table, eating my cereal, looking at the cereal box, you know, Whatever. And there's, you know, music playing, and there's spaghetti Bolognese cooking and. And I happen to knock over the carton of milk, right? And the carton of milk goes bum. And it goes glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug. And starts going the floor, floor. Well, my mom is not in a good state, right? And she goes, what are you doing? Oh my God, I can't believe you've done this. And she has like this emotional reaction right over me spilling the milk, which is completely irrational because it's milk, it can be cleaned up, right? But she's viscerally feeling highly strung. Maybe she's a reactive kind of person, but she reacts. I'm a little kid. I don't have a belief structure. I don't have cognition. Children don't develop cognition until they reach puberty, which for girls is around the age of 11 or 12. Boys can be 13 or 14. Until I reach cognition, I don't. I can't actually make sense of. Of the world, right? I can't make. I can't look at my mom and go, you know, now as an adult, I can be like, holy, like overreact much. But I can be like, she's probably having a bad day. She's got a newborn. She's probably sleep deprived. She's. I can make sense, right, of the, of the anger. When I'm four, no idea why my mom is yelling at me. But her reaction has now triggered my fight orf flight, which is a lower brain function in the body. It's like you're fight. So like, it's like a tiger has leapt out at you in the jungle. My fight or flight is now triggered, right? I'm like. And I have this moment, I'm looking at my mother. I have no idea why she's angry, but I now know that I have this really bad feeling in my body. It's not cognitive, right? It's primitive. And so I look at her and I link the look in her face, the smell of the spaghetti bolognese, the sound of the music playing, the look of the milk, the fact that I made a mistake, all of these different things I link to this bad feeling. So when I grew up in the future, this is how a stimulus response pattern is downloaded. Whenever I grew up in the future, every time, like, I'm in work one day, right, and my boss turns to look at me like this, and I'm like. And it triggers the fight or flight. Because it's exactly the same look my mom gave me that day. Again, not cognitive. I don't even know this is going on. But something triggers the stimulus response pattern that was downloaded that day when my mom yelled at me, which then I carry with me for the rest of my life. And it could be the smell of spaghetti. Have you ever had someone say, like, I, I, I had someone say to me the other day. No, it wasn't, it wasn't, wasn't. The other day, I was watching an interview with Kate Winslet, and she was talking about her husband, and Kate Winslet was saying, he's going to kill me for saying this, but, like, my husband has this irrational fear of people crunching and biting into an apple. And so whenever you like. And he's like. She says, he actually, like, has this incredible. She goes, we, like, go up behind him with an apple, like, whenever we want to, like, really piss him off. And I was like, stimulus response pattern. Something happened in his childhood that linked the crunch of an apple to a really bad feeling. And if he was able to focus on that feeling, he could probably bring up the memory. My point is, this is what happens when we're kids, but yet we grow up. We never deal with these. What you were saying in the beginning of the podcast, we never deal with these stimulus response patterns. They're just downloaded into our DNA. We're stimulus response animals like dogs. And we grow up and then we reach cognition, and suddenly we can make sense of the world. So what do we do? Do we take this irrational fear and we apply logic to it, which doesn't take away the irrational fear, it just explains it away. So when I'm an adult and you say, kim, do you want to come for dinner? I'm cooking spaghetti Bolognese. And I go, oh, my God, I hit spaghetti Bolognese. Now, I don't know why I hit spaghetti Bolognese, but it was cooking that day that my mom yelled at me and scared the out of me, right? But I just know I hit spaghetti Bolognese, and you're going, I'm like, scott, you know, I just don't like Bolognese. I think it's the, I think it's the tomato, actually. Or maybe it's.
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Scott Clary
You start to rationalize.
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Kim Constable
You start to rationalize the oregano, the basil or whatever. So anyway, what happens is then whenever we're adults, we walk around with these disintegrated fears inside of us all the time. And these rules that we create prisons for ourselves with these fears. And if you have very angry, very punishing, very OCD parents. You have more rules, the more rule bound your parents are. You either become rebellious or you become scared of breaking the rule. And you literally build a prison for yourself. And that's how. So when I see Kim Constable online, the sculpted vegan wearing a leather handbag, or I see her talking about something to do with the gym, well, she's wrong like that. That's not like I, I just, you know, we have this like, emotional reaction where I need you to stop saying what you're saying because it breaks my rule. And that's scary for me. And so we're like little kids running around in adult bodies not knowing what the fuck to do. And that's why I forgive most people for what they do.
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Scott Clary
Let's talk about, about why you chose to become vegan. You read that book, There's a lot of other ways to be healthy. There's like a sliding scale between eating bacon every day and drinking to becoming vegan because there's a lot of other health practices and diets that you can choose to adopt. So what was it about veganism that was so attractive to you? Why not just any of the other diets? I mean, pick one, there's a million that you can choose from. What was, what was so attractive about becoming a vegan?
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Kim Constable
You're gonna hit my answer. You're gonna hate my answer. I always tell this story. My trainer in the gym loves to tell this story about the first day I come in to train with him. And he said to me, so. And Mark's like this massive, like 220 pound bodybuilder beef kick, you know, and he goes to me, so, you know, sticks for like steak for breakfast kind of guy.
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Scott Clary
Yeah, of course.
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Kim Constable
So tell me why, why did you become, why did you become vegan then? And I went, honestly, Mark, I said, I saw a gap in the market where I could make money and I went for it. And he went, are you serious? And I was like, yep. And he goes, really? And I was like. And he goes, I knew from that day on that we were going to get on like a house and fire, because she was the most honest person I'd ever met in my entire life. And Scott, that is the honest to God's truth, that is why I went vegan, because I saw a gap in the market for a vegan bodybuilder. And you're completely stunned. This is not what I expected her to say.
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Scott Clary
I don't give a shit what you, what you said. I Mean, it's real. First of all, it's very strategic. I don't think a lot of people see a gap in the market and they think I'm going to change my entire diet.
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Kim Constable
I was already vegetarian, so, so. And I. The other part of it is I actually really enjoy doing hard things. Things. And that's the other reason why I went vegan. I love doing hard things. I like to challenge myself. And I was already vegetarian. And I kept seeing, and there was, there was probably a part of it as well, was like, I wonder, will vegan be healthier for me? So I guess, I guess at the, at the, at the heart of it, first of all, became a, was a. I was already vegetarian. I. But why did I go vegetarian? People ask me this. I went vegetarian because 25 years ago, my best friend was vegetarian and I. And she was like, really successful and built this massive company. And I was like, well, well, she's really successful and she's vegetarian. So maybe if I become vegetarian, I'll be really successful too. This isn't 25 years, 30 years ago, maybe. 30 years. I think I was about 20. What are. Yeah, 30 years ago. And so that's why I went vegetarian. And then it became an ethic. Okay, first of all, it was a rule, and then it became an ethic. And I was like, well, actually, I don't want to eat animals. And just as a side note, if, you know more, the energy that goes into feeding one cow for meat could feed 2,000 hungry people. And while there are hungry people in the world, it's not actually ethical for us to eat meat, really, if you want to take it onto a macro scale. So that was the ethic that I developed around it. But then what happened was I, I kept seeing people. Veganism was on the rise. This is about 12. About 12 years ago now. Veganism was kind of really on the rise at the time, and social media was really beginning to, you know, take off. And I was thinking, hmm, I'm already vegetarian. And, you know, I read the book called the China Study, so there's a little more to it. I read a book called the China Study, and it really showed the link between animal protein and especially casein, which is the protein in mil, and cancer. And they realized through doing these studies that they could turn on and off cancer growth in rats, which have a very similar physiology, physiology, believe it or not, to humans. And so that's why they test on rats a lot in labs. And so what they did was they, they realized that they could Turn, they could inject cancer, rats with cancer, and then they could, they could make the cancer grow by giving them more animal protein and make the cancer shrink by giving them less animal protein. Protein. And they, the, the findings of this work were absolutely astonishing. And they realized that by feeding the rats a diet under 15 protein, animal protein, especially casein, that they could actually completely reduce or eliminate any cancer that the rats had. And the more they increased the animal protein, the more the rats died. And so once I read that study, I was like, oh, that's interesting. I definitely want to lead a long and healthy life if there's maybe something in this. So that was always in the back of my head, head. And then I began to see veganism is on the rise. And I thought, you know what? I'm going to give it, I'm going to try it, I'm going to give it a whirl, right? I'm going to see if I can do this. So that was why I became vegan. It probably was. I haven't thought about the China Study before, actually, or not in a long time because no one asked me that question in a long time. But I think it was definitely the China Study and my interest in health and living a long and healthy life was probably the trigger for it. And then once I had become vegan and I had, you know, started exploring it and really getting into it and using my knowledge of health and fitness. Fitness. Then I saw, then I started training in the gym and started researching a program, trying to look for a program online that would teach me how to go to the stage, which is what I wanted to do as a vegan bodybuilder. And it didn't exist. And that's when I went, ding, ding, ding, ding. I've just turned vegan. I can create this product and I can make money from it. But that was the story behind turning vegan.
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Scott Clary
I think that from. So this is a couple, a couple, a couple ideas around bodybuilding and vegan bodybuilding in general. First of all, all bodybuilding in general is filled with misinformation, full of guys that. There's a lot, there are a lot of natural bodybuilders, but there's a lot of fake natural bodybuilders that lie and they say these are the results that I can achieve, you know, bodybuilders just by working at most of.
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Kim Constable
I don't know any that don't.
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Scott Clary
So. So it's a valid point. That's a very valid point. But I think that then when, when somebody comes out and says, hey, I'm a vegan bodybuilder. And this guy's like, you know, 220 with you know, sub 7% body fat walking around stage ready all year round. Like people are like, that's a little bit suspicious. So is it like, is it the vegan or is it like you blasting and cruising for the past 20 years of your life? So there's a lot, there's so much, there's so much like smoke and mirrors and bodybuilding. Nobody knows what's, what's actually possible and we can talk about any of this. Second idea that I've heard quite often about tofu is that it's not great for men. It's estrogenic. I have no data or science to prove that. Out. This is just anecdotal from browsing social media. So I don't hold these opinions highly. These are just things that I hear secondhand. And third, that a lot of plant protein is incomplete protein versus meat protein, which is complete like incomplete amino acid profile versus complete amino acid profile profile. Feel free to comment on any of those three ideas. What, what do you feel, I mean, in terms of bodybuilders being full of. That's never good. There's not really much to talk about there. It's just not cool. If you're on, then talk, tell people that. So at least they know what, what they can and can't do naturally. In terms of. You mentioned tofu was already not a great source of lean protein for vegan bodybuilders, mostly because of the high fat content. Content. I have no idea if it does impact hormones for men or not. It doesn't. Okay. And lastly, I think the most interesting one and the argument that I've heard more often than not is that most vegan sources of protein are not a complete amino acid profile. And that is, that's true. It's not that it's impossible. It just create. It makes it harder than it has to be, quote, unquote. For somebody who's starting out.
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Kim Constable
It's incomplete data though, because the especially that last point you're making because it assumes that you're not eating a wide variety of food. You know, if you're literally eating chicken, rice and broccoli and that's it, breakfast, lunch and dinner, then you're going to be nutritionally incomplete anyway. But you know, someone who's eating a wide variety of food, which is what I do, and a wide variety of whole food and plant food and you know, and vegetables and, and fruits and Grains. And you know, you're getting a complete amino profile anyway, and it doesn't, your, your amino profile doesn't, your amino acid profile doesn't have to be complete in one food. It just has to be complete in like a 24 hour to 48 hour period. So, yeah, and quinoa is actually, believe it or not, a complete. Has the complete amino profile, has all of the 13 essential amino acids that, that are.
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Scott Clary
I didn't know that.
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Kim Constable
Yeah, interestingly. But yeah. So I think that it's just, again, it's just miseducation people. I think that honestly, whenever people don't have data, they, they make it up or they fill it in. And so, you know, whenever, whenever you say to someone, well, why is, you know, a meat based diet, the best bodybuilder diet? Like they have to give you a reason otherwise they look stupid. Right? They don't want to say, I don't know. Which is actually one of the most empowering things you can say. I remember watching a Q and A. I digress slightly with the Dalai Lama once. This is what profoundly changed my life, right? Whenever, whenever people ask me another, another inflection point. Whenever people just ask me questions, I used to feel like I had to have the answer. Like if I didn't have the answer, I was somehow incomplete as a human. Like I'm a vegan bodybuilder and if you ask me about tofu, well, I feel like I need to know because otherwise, like, I'm going to seem stupid, right? So. So I think that that's what goes on for a lot of people too. It's like, oh my God, I'm supposed to be the expert here and I should know. But I remember watching a thing online once, it was with a Dalai Lama and he was in this massive big forum and he was on stage and somebody was, you know, that was, he was doing like a forum with the crowd and they were able to ask questions. They were passing around the microphone and I remember this guy, you know, he was like, question, yep, over there. And so they brought the microphone over to him and this guy said, his Holiness. And he asked him this really profound question and which I didn't really understand, but something about humans and this and that, whatever. And I was like, I was listening to this guy asking this question and, and so then the guy said, thank you very much. And his Holiness, the Dalai Lama went like this. And for those of you in the podcast who are not watching the video, I'm leaning back with my finger, hand on my chin. So he leaned back and he thought very thoughtfully for a minute, and he kind of rubbed his chin and he stared into the. The. In the, into the. The sky. And I was thinking, wow, it's going to be a really profound answer here. And he leant forward into the microphone and he went, I don't know. And then he just sat back. And I was like, you don't know. Like, you're the Dalai Lama. You don't know. Like, none of us knew. But it taught me such a valuable lesson because I was like, it's okay to not know. No, doesn't mean anything about you. Like, the Dalai Lama has earned all of the respect in the world. And there he is on this massive world stage, being televised all over the world, telling people that he does not know the answer to the question. That was his answer. He was like, next question, please. He didn't even, like, hypothesize or try to give an answer or try to make himself seem, like, super intelligent. He just said, I don't know. So I think the problem is, whenever you go to someone, you say, well, why is eating a stick the best thing that you can do for bodybuilding? They don't want to say, say, I don't know. It's just what I've always done. They want to seem like they have to give you this answer, right? So. And I've never been like that. Well, like, no, that's not true. Before the Dalai Lama, I would have been like that. But I had got really, really, really good at just saying, I don't know. People ask me all the time. I homeschool my kids and they go, well, what, what, what's going to happen now? They're all older now, but when they were really young, they said, well, what's going to happen whenever they're. That. So they don't do any. Any education. Like, no exams. I'm like, nope. And they're like, like, no GCSEs, no A levels, which is our exams over here, There. No. And they go, well, what's. What's going to happen whenever they're 18? And I used to go, I don't know. And they'd be like, what do you. What do you mean, you don't know? I'm like, well, I don't know. They're like five now, so I guess we'll find out when we get there. And this used to shock the hell out of people that I wasn't going, well, you see, whenever they're 14, we have this plan and we're going to do some online learning and education and then I have all these distance learning courses that we can possibly explore. And, and I was like, I don't know, I'm just gonna suck it and say, you know, it's all a great big experiment. And I think that if we become less vested in our viewpoint and more open to just saying, I don't know, I'm just here like for the ride, doing my best, you know, gathering data, trying to, you know, share what I do along the way, I think that the world would be a much happier place. With regards to your first point, vegan bodybuilders, like, a lot. I think a lot of people assume that because you're vegan, you're natural. It's not true. Like, I don't know any natural vegan bodybuilders. I'm sure they exist, but like, the ones who claim to be natural have maybe been training for like 25, 30 years. So they have a huge amount of, like, if you're training solidly for 25 years or 20 years or 15 years even, you're gonna build a lot of muscle mass, right? So it's not beyond the realms of possibility. But let me tell you, any vegan standing on stage who's competing in a bodybuilding show, I would honestly hesitate to say that they are natural because it's very hard to get into that condition without, without some kind of under the counter drug, you know, and diuretic.
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Scott Clary
But that's not just vegan. That's not just vegan. That's all. That's all.
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Kim Constable
But I think that a lot of it is assumption. People assume because you're vegan, you're natural.
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Scott Clary
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Kim Constable
Agree. I Agree. But people just have to learn patience. We just. People are impatient. I think that's the biggest thing. That's the biggest thing that's happened in social media, because years ago, we didn't see what everyone else was doing. We only saw what, you know, Billy down the road was doing and Jane's sister, you know, and you heard about these things through the grapevine. You didn't see it, but I think we're bombarded with these beautiful bodies every single day on Instagram, a lot of which are also Photoshopped. And so. And we're seeing this and we're like, well, I want that too. How do I get that as fast as I possibly can? And it's devaluing the hard work that it takes to. To get there. And that's what people aren't understanding, the hard work and the time and the patience that it takes. And it's. Yeah, but us here, they've done it all, right, Flying the flag, you know, like you and the business.
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Scott Clary
Well, I mean, I've been. I've been playing. I've been playing sports and working out since I was 16. And I'm. I'm 34 now, so you. You guessed my age correctly to a T. But I still. I, like, I still walk around. I'm six two. I'm two thirty. I'm in good shape. I still work out. Like, I don't have any interest in competing, but I'll still go to the gym four or five days a week because it's like, honestly, gym is like. My Zen gym is me, too. I used to get away from all the work. What. Out of all the. Out of all the people that you help support, teach, train, mentor, coach, however you want to call it, what do you think. What would you think would be the biggest myths about veganism and vegan bodybuilding? Or just that lifestyle that you want to sort of dispel things that you think are not serving people.
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Kim Constable
Veganism will not change anything for you, for the most part. I think people. People ask me all the time, oh, whenever you turned vegan, like, what were the differences you notice? And I go, nothing. And they go, what do you mean? Nothing? And I like, nothing. And they're like, surely, like, did your nails not grow stronger and your hair was shinier and your digestion improved? I'm like, no. And they're like, oh, really? And they're. But did you not get better results when you were vegan? No. And they're really shocked by this because they expect you to be like, oh, My God. Yeah. Like when I turned vegan, like my muscle mass like accelerated. But this is all cognitive dissonance. This is what people make up in their heads to justify their decision after they've made it, they start looking for shit to justify their position. I never did. And so honestly, and I'd rather just be honest with people, they say, oh, but you know, I'm, I'm a mediator. Should I turn vegan? I'm like, if meat eating is serving you, if eating meat is serving you and it's easier for your life and it's easier to achieve your goals and you're a flat out shift worker trying to juggle two kids and a husband and you also want to train in the gym and try and meal prep. You don't add veganism on top of that. Like, let's not make your life any harder. You're not going to get any better results. You're not going to feel better. You know, I see all this about it the minute, but I'm in menopause and I'm teaching a lot of perimenopause stuff. And so women in menopause are going, well, I, whenever I turned vegan, I've been vegan now for 10 years and all my menopausal symptoms disappeared. And I'm like, no, they didn't. Like, there is no link between veganism and menopausal symptoms disappearing. None. I mean you could say, okay, maybe your inflammation might have gone down if you had, if you're in inflamed or whatever. But veganism and reduction in perimenopause symptoms, no direct link whatsoever. So, so I think a lot of we can, you know, retrospectively refit things in our head. And so that is honestly the biggest thing that I would say. I think that people think that they're going to be healthier when they're vegan. They're not. If you, it's very easy to be a healthy omnivore, you know, healthy vegetarian, healthy vegan. You're, it's, it's not a, in my mind. And the vegans listening to this will fucking hate me. They'll be like, this is why we hit her. She should be advocating for veganism. But I'm not going to lie to people. Being truthful is actually more important to me than anything else. Else. If you want to try veganism, if you want to try and not eat animals, if you want to try going without cheese, if you like to make your life harder, right. If you, you know, if you're Worried potentially about, you know, your protein intake being too high and a link between, you know, that and cancer. Give it a try, you know, like, shoot the, see what happens. But I think that the biggest myth is that something in your life will change if you are vegan. And I would honestly believe that that myth is why a lot of people try veganism. Expecting something to change, nothing changes, and then they just go back to being an omnivore. So I think they're disappointed that veganism didn't deliver some incredible health benefit that they were expecting. Right. Doesn't happen. You don't sleep better, you don't have better shinier hair, stronger nails, and, you.
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Scott Clary
Know, all these things are there, Are there none though? Okay, so. Because if you look at the other diet, really, because if you look at like, like even like a carnivore diet, people say that this is curing autoimmune disease. And I don't know, I'm not a medical expert, but the only diet that I've tried that has like a significant benefit in my mind is for what I do for a living, is keto. Because I find that I'm a little bit clearer and I get a little bit less brain fog. And you don't have these. I think that insulin is regulated a little bit better on a keto diet than if you're eating candy for lunch, I'm sure. But I'm sure you could also regulate your insulin with a proper omnivore diet and diet with carbs included as well. I think that what I found most diets actually end up doing efficiently that are sort of macro based and not lifestyle based.
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Kim Constable
I agree.
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Scott Clary
Are it effectively just removes a macro out of your diet and it makes it very hard to overeat. So if you even did like a low fat fat like carb and protein diet, good luck getting fat on eating rice and chicken all day. Like, it's very, very hard to get fat eating rice and chicken all day. You're gonna lose your appetite. And if you do keto, you just remove another. You remove carbs as a macro. Right. So I think that, I think that some people look for, and I look for it too. Like in keto, I, I convince myself that I'm clearer and I'm less foggy doggy. You know what, there's been days where I've had like a, a burger or just a, you know, like a regular meal like potatoes, chicken, steak, full carbs. And I feel great too. So it's, it's really, it's really Hard to say that one diet is showing like significant more benefit than just heavy lifting, calorie moderation, great lifestyle, going for walks, like understanding, you know, how much you're eating versus how much you're expending every single day, day. I think these are probably more important ideas than which diet you subscribe to. But I was curious about.
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Kim Constable
Yeah, people are looking for a save. They're looking for the thing that's like, that's why people keep buying my fitness programs. They think that this new program is going to be the one that's going to change them. They don't realize that they have to change themselves. Most people are just too comfortable. That's why they're, they're fat and unsuccessful and unhappy because they're just, they're, they're actually just too comfortable. And so people say to me the, all the time, what's the best diet that I could eat? And I say, the one that works for you. And they go, oh. And it's a very disappointing answer. And then they say, okay, what's the best form of cardio, the one that you'll do consistently? They're like, no, but what's the best one? I'm like, the best one. Oh my God. The best one, right? Okay. The best one is the one that you enjoy the le the most out of all of the shitty options that you will show up and do every day. If that's running, great. If that's walking, great. If that's swimming, great. If that's cycling, great. If that's Zumba classes, great. The one that you will do consistently is the one that will get you results. That's the best one. And they're like, oh. And it's kind of liberating in a way, but they're looking for you to say it's the StairMaster Level 6 for 60 minutes at 5am and they're like, right, do you know what you're, they're going to do if you say level six on the StairMaster for 60 minutes, 5am they're going to try it for one day and they're never going to do it again. So is it not better for them to go for a 20 minute walk with their dog consistently every single day? So much better. So, you know, it depends on what your goal is. I always say to them, if your goal is to lose body fat and you want to add in some cardio, whatever one you do consistently is the best form of cardio. Same with diet, the one that you can stick to within your macros and calories that will help you to lose body fat. That's the best one. That's why I don't get evangelical about veganism. That's why I'm not here to preach veganism or tell people they should be a vegan or a vegetarian. It works for me. I've made it work for me. It supports my values. It supports my ethics. It's. You know. But if that was to change, Scott, and I decided that I wanted to go back to eating meat, I would go back to eating meat. And I wouldn't give a. What anyone says. I genuinely wouldn't. I would do. I. I get one shot at this life. One thing is for sure is we are all gonna die. And when I die, no one will remember me, apart from my kids and maybe my grandkids. And then I'm gone. So I am on this earth to do what makes me happy and what's so. Serves me the best. Because let me tell you one really, really quick thing before we finish. My husband the other week was listening to something. He was lying in bed, and I was putting on my makeup, and I started hearing my voice on his phone. And then I heard this other guy speaking, this Australian guy. My husband's Australian. And I went, what's that? And he goes. He goes, somebody in Australia sent me this. Some Australian guy has, like, taken one of your videos and has, like, made, you know, content about it, like, in a. In a negative way. And I went, oh. I said, who is it? And he said, his name. I said, never heard of him. I said, does he have a lot of followers? And he goes, yeah. He's like, you know, from 3 million or something. I went, oh. And I was putting on my makeup, I guess, and for a second I went, do I care about this? And I just paused for a second, and I was like, some guy in Australia with 3 million followers has taken one of my videos that I feel quite passionate about because I put a lot of work into my content. And he's basically saying, I'm talking shit. And I had this epiphany moment where I realized that if I closed my phone, if I deleted the Instagram app from my phone and never opened it ever again again, that video would disappear from me and from my life forever. In fact, people all over the world could be make. Like, the President of the United States could be making videos about my content, and I wouldn't know if I chose knocking over my glass, if I chose this thing in my hand, this phone, if I chose to throw that away, none of it would exist. It only exists because we pay attention to it. And I had a real epiphany that day when I was like, what we pay attention to is what exists. If we don't pay attention and we turn off the noise, it ceases to exist. It only exists because we have the apps and we have this digital thing in our hand. And I chose that day to only focus. I thought, from now on, I'm only focusing on the things that serve me. And it was the best decision I ever made because I stopped caring what people think. And it gave me a level of freedom. I'm a pretty, like, free person anyway, but it literally elevated my level of freedom to. To something that it had never been before because I. I just. You know, we have these epiphany moments where you realize things only exist because they're. Because I have them in my phone and I'm opening up and going, oh, what are the likes and what are the comments and what are the shares? I cease to do that. The content ceases to exist, and I can just live my life happy. And I think it's a.
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Scott Clary
Less.
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Kim Constable
There's a lesson in there for all of us, because I think people care too much about what other people think. So if I wanted to change from being vegan, I would. I wouldn't care and I wouldn't. I would do it publicly.
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Scott Clary
I was going to say, the lesson in there is that. But anybody who's trying to build a better life, like, build it for yourself, understand what your own North Star is and whatever diet you choose, whatever life you want to live, whoever you want to be with, whatever business you want to build, whatever job you want to do. Like, do it for yourself, don't do it because of Instagram, and don't do it because of what you see other people doing and other people speaking about and other people championing on social media, which is probably not even true, or there's a. They're not 100% truthful with how good their life is anyways. And I just wish that more people would just focus on their own North Star and their own happiness. And the goal of this show, this podcast, really, is to give people all these different options and ideas and insights into what's worked and what's not worked for all these different people that they look up to, but at the same time, know that no One idea is 100% correct. And the best life is to take all these ideas, to research them, to understand them, to apply some critical thought, and then Take to figure out how this plays into your own life and your own goals and aspirations.
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Kim Constable
How does this serve me?
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Scott Clary
How does this serve me?
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Kim Constable
Take, take, take what serves you, leave the rest. That's what I always say. I say, take. Take what? Take what? Take what serves you and just leave the rest.
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Scott Clary
Yeah, I think that that's such an important idea and I think that it's for the. For the average person scrolling through social, it's becoming harder and harder for them not to become influenced. And. And I think I just. This conversation keeps coming up. It's like, is the life you're living even your own life? Or is it your friend's life, your parents life, your boss's life, your wife or your husband's life? A lot of people, if they took a good hard look deep down inside, I don't think they're living their own life because they're so influenced by everything external. And I think that it's sad. And I think that's why you get a lot of depression and anxiety and mental health issues and regrets. Regret. Anyways, so the goal is to just. That's. I love this idea so much.
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Kim Constable
Them all, Scott. That's what I say. Them all. See if you need. See if you need a slogan. Kim says them all, just be happy.
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Scott Clary
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Kim Constable
We actually are launching, I'm actually branching out my company to become sculpted. Up until now, I've been known as the sculpted vegan. Like me personally. And I have to explain to a lot of people now, whenever they punish me, which they do, you know, for launching programs that aren't exclusively vegan, they're like, you know, oh, you know, you should be doing this, or I'm disappointed in you. And I'm like, you have to understand, the sculpted vegan is not a person, it's a company. I know that you think it's me, but it's actually, it's an entity, it's a business. So we have. Because I am now in menopause and, or in perimenopause, should I say. And it's been an absolute roller coaster. But I'm a real problem solver and I've been solving my problems and as I've been solving them, I've been educating other women how to solve them. I've realized I. That there's a massive, massive gap in knowledge in women in perimenopause, as to, in the health and fitness industry because they don't understand what is happening in their body and how it's creating insulin resistance to send more energy to fat store, to create more estrogen as their ovaries, you know, stop producing estrogen. And so once I realized this, I began really educating women on how they can short circuit the process. And every menopause program we released made hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars. Like we, we released one in March. It was a six month program. We did like $1.3 million in like the first 10 days of launch. So it's it's a, it's an, it's an insanely hot topic right now. We always say menopause is the new veganism. Veganism is actually on the decline. Menopause is in the incline. So I'm always looking at the market as well as it's something I'm going through myself. It's kind of divine timing, if you like. So I, we have divided. We've actually developed an app called the Sculpted Menopause. So sculpted being the brand, we have the Sculpted Vegan, we've now developed an entire called the Sculpted Menopause. I went to my, I came to my team who are phenomenal in December 2024 and I went, guys, we're going to build an app. And they were like, great. Now I have an in house app building team. And because we've been working on another project we're launching next year or this year, later in the year. And I was like, we're going to build an app. And they were like, great. What, when, when are we going to build? When I'm going to launch it. I was like, February. And they're like, but it's December. I'm like, I know. Challenge accepted. And they're like, you're nuts. And I was like, everybody come off everything you're working on. We're going to build this up. We have built an app in eight weeks from scratch. It has my fitness pal in it. It has a macro, MyFitnessPal macro calculator. It has full sets of meal plans from 1200 calories to 2200 calories. It has hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of macros and calorie encountered recipes. It has workouts at home, follow along workouts, live workouts, training programs. 3 days, 4 days, 5 days. Beginner intermediate advanced. The complexity of what we have built and put it into a simple app is amazing. And it is launching on Monday. It's opening on Monday. So that is our latest venture. That's what we're going into. That's what the, the market wants. That's what our women want. They've been with me for years. They're all perimenopausal now. So this is the next stage of where we're moving. And then after that we're going to take the brand sculpted. I mean, the goal is to exit the company. Scott, at some point. So I'm building the brand Sculpted. We'll probably replicate this at some point into the Sculpted Vegan and then the sculpted trainer, which will be for, you know, just the woman who's menopausal, and then they'll be for the vegan. And hopefully then we will exit that company. Because I've been building another company called Only Fitness, which is a social marketplace for the fitness industry. Think an amalgamation of Instagram and Only Fans for fitness. And that is what Only Fitness is. So it is. We've been building it for three years. It's everything I use to run my business built into an app because people used to say to me, how do I do what you do? And then I explained to them what they had to do and they went, no way, that's far too much work. I'm absolutely not doing that. So I went, how can I make this really, really, really easy for people to do what I do run a business, the runner, but inside an app. And that's what we built in the app. Um, and it's taken three years, but I need to get sculpted to where it needs to be before we launch Only Fitness. But. And in between that, I'm riding five high level competition horses for Ireland, as well as training in the gym, as well as trying to, you know, have a relationship with my husband who never sees me and my four children and run my company. And occasionally I go to a yoga class and sometimes I sleep.
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Scott Clary
Yeah. I have one last question because I think it's important because you teased it and I want to, I just want to give something to people that are listening that would be interested in, in, in, in health and wellness and fitness. As a woman going through menopause, what are just some things that a woman at that age, in that part of their life should think about?
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Kim Constable
I think the first thing is that you should expect that your hormones are going to go on a roller coaster simply because of what happens, happens in the brain. The, the basically you're. It's not in your head like all this stuff. This is. I think the problem with perimenopause is. Let me, let me give you, Let me tell you something. Do you know that perimenopause, the stage of perimenopause, the 10 years before a woman is menopausal, is not taught in medicine. It's not taught in gy. In gynecology, it's not taught in obstetrics, it's not taught the perimenopause years are not. Not taught in modern medicine. When you become a doctor or an obstetrician, they do not teach you per menopause. You learn about menopause, which is after you haven't had a menstrual period for a year. You do not learn about, about perimenopause. But what happens is the pituitary gland and the hypothalamus basically are responsible for controlling your brain. And as your ovaries start to decline, you're, you have about 2 million eggs whenever you're, you're born and then they decline over the years. And by the time you're 40, you only have about 2% of your eggs left. And so your ovaries don't want to give up the eggs. So where you would have a normal cycle, what starts to happen is the, your pituity gland recognizes that your estrogen levels are drop dropping. So your hypothalamus goes okay, great. When they go hello, right, we need, we need an egg please. So it signals and it goes egg, please, you know, release an egg estrogen. But your ovaries go no, no, no, no, we, we hardly hardly, we hardly have any left and we're not giving them up. So they're like egg, please, hello. And they start like getting, you know, extra overexcited and like trying pumping out more hormones, trying to get your egg to react, release your ovaries to release an egg. And finally your ovaries go, okay, godamn, you have one, they spit one out. But only after there has been an enormous amount of fuel put behind your ovaries trying to produce an egg. That's what. So where you had these lovely little bumps in your hormonal fluctuations. I saw this video today, this guy, he was like, I miss pms. He said my wife is in menopause, I miss pms. He's like, this is a whole different animal. But it's become because your hormones are fluctuating madly. So first of all, your hormones are fluctuating madly. It is a time of chaos. It's not in your head. Secondly, whenever you hit perimenopause and your ovary production starts to decline or you ovaries start to decline, estrogen starts to decline. Your body tries to divert more energy to fat store to create more estrogen. Visceral fat around your stomach and fat around your thighs and your buttocks is very estrogenic. They produce a lot of estrogen. So your body will actually try to divert more energy when you eat two fat stores to create more estrogen. So this, it creates insulin resistance in your cells. So this is why women put on body fat. They're not eating any differently, they're not exercising any differently, but they start to put on a lot of body fat. Women can't understand why this happens, but it's a biological process that happens. The only way to short circuit it is to change your diet ever so slightly, which you can do eating more slow carbs, whole foods, beans, lentils, legumes, sweet potato, that kind of stuff, cut out the white starchy carbs which cause an insulin spike. The second way that you can circumvent it, which I prefer to eat a macro and calorie counted diet where you're actually counting your macros and calories. Nothing is off the table, but you keep the energy balance steady because you're obviously training in the gym, hopefully building muscle, raising the metabolism, doing some kind of cardio just to keep yourself, you know, fit and healthy. But you're managing your calorie intake. So even if you eat food and there's insulin resistance in your muscles and more energy is diverted to fat store, if the energy being burned is greater or equal to the energy coming in through fat food, your body will re, break down the fat cells into triglycerides, transport them through the liver to the tissues for energy. So even if it is converted to fat because of the insulin resistance, it will be converted back into usable energy. So that process doesn't matter. But it's all about calorie control. And that's the only way that a woman in menopause can, can control her weight. You have to start controlling your calories and controlling what you eat. You cannot eat what you always at and get the same, the same results. It's impossible. And expecting it to be any different is just living outside of reality. And that's what I always teach women.
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Scott Clary
Amazing. And these are like, listen, I think that anybody listening should start taking a calorie counting and their diet seriously asap. But just know that there's less leniency, biologically less leniency in your diet. So it's not in your head, it's not in your mind. You're not, you're not going crazy. It's a biological, this is, this is a biological process. And the sooner you can get on board with how to diet, how to work out how to eat food, how to understand macros, and probably just for your health and wellbeing, understand micronutrients as well. The healthier you'll be, the happier you'll be. So that's a very important point. Okay, where can people connect with you? You have an app launching. I'm going to try and get this out as quick as possible. You don't give me, you gave me as much time as your dev team, but that's besides the point. So. So where can people go connect with you? Go download apps, website, social, all that.
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Kim Constable
Anyone who wants to connect with me personally and FYI, I have four and a half million Instagram followers, but I respond to every single DM that I get and people are like, how do you respond to every dm? I'm like, I have my phone surgically attached to my hand and it's important to connect with people. So I am the sculpted vegan or Kim Constable on Instagram. If you DM me, I will absolutely respond and just say I heard you on the Scott Clary podcast and we will have like a little virtual hug. And if you want to check out either the sculpted vegan, which isn't actually selling any programs at the minute because we're diverting everyone to the sculpted menopause. If you are in menopause and you do want to check out like a system that, you know, like we have women who lose a hundred pounds of body fat in six months. I'm not even kidding. 100 pounds of body fat. Just go to the website and have a look at them using our method. The Sculpted Menopause method is available on the sculpted menopause menopause.com and that is where you can find out more about the app. But it gets. Yeah, we're launching on, on Monday. It's a pre launch to our, our email list and likewise I'll share this podcast. Like we have about like a quarter of a million on our mailing list currently. So amazing. You'll, you'll get a good, you'll get a good amount of people listening as well. So no, that, that's, that's the best two places to connect with me. Thank you for asking and letting me do a shameless plug.
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Scott Clary
Always, always. And we'll put it in the show notes and everything like that. So people want to go connect, they can, they can go download and I, I always give opportunity for shameless plugs. Like you're giving your time. At least I can do is give like a shameless plug. That's, that's no problem at all.
- [88:15]
Kim Constable
I've enjoyed this conversation more than I ever could have like imagined. It's been like so good.
- [88:21]
Scott Clary
Thank you.
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Kim Constable
Really enjoyed it.
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Scott Clary
Thank you. I did too. No, I really, really, I thought we were going to go entirely in a different direction and I didn't look at my notes once, which is always a good signal for, that's a signal for a great podcast. So I enjoyed it as well, well, I. Listen, I think we've been recording now for almost, almost two hours. We could probably go like all day, but like, I'll, we'll cut it here and then when you're in Miami next time we'll do some more.
- [88:44]
Kim Constable
I'm going to come, I'm going to come just, just to see you. I'm going to make a, make a point of a deal.
- [88:50]
Scott Clary
You have to come see all your American friends. You have a whole bunch of people here that are, that are waiting for you to come in and hang out.
- [88:55]
Kim Constable
I do too.
- [88:56]
Scott Clary
I have the last question I always like to ask. You've given over so much wisdom. If you could only pass on. It's kind of like the first question. You only give me one thing with this. So if you can only pass on one lesson to your kids after all your years of life, business, success, experience, what would that one lesson be and why is it so important?
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Kim Constable
One thing I've taught my kids from they were born, and it's kind of my catchphrase that I also teach everyone here in the office. I always say to them, your success in life will be measured by the amount of difficult conversations you're willing to to have. The more you're willing to make yourself uncomfortable, the more you're willing to have those difficult conversations with people, the happier your life will be. Because nothing lingers with me. No one ever has to worry about how I feel. Am I mad? Am I anything people know because I tell them. Because if I have a problem with you, I will come directly to you and tell you. I don't tell anyone else. I tell you and we have the difficult conversation. And if you do that, your life will transform. Have do it with your kids, do it with your husband, do it with your wife, do it it with your mom. Have the difficult conversation. Because your life will change exponentially if you train yourself to put yourself in those difficult situations.