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In this Lessons episode, explore how to transform job insecurity into opportunity by adopting an entrepreneurial mindset inside any organization. Discover why thinking like an owner drives career growth and equity. Understand how entrepreneurship creates leverage for leadership roles and lasting value. And uncover practical steps to build personal brand and stand out even in uncertain times. What's the game plan? What's the playbook for people in organizations that were just shocked recently they lost their jobs, never thought they're gonna lose their jobs. How do they adopt an entrepreneurial mindset even though they're working within an organization? Build the brand, branch out.
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That's a phenomenal question and we addressed it on multiple of our episodes. I got a guy from IBM that made me think about your question. He asked me a question three years ago. He says, listen, Patrick, I follow all your content. I love what you're talking about. You keep talking about entrepreneurship. You have no idea how bad I want to be an entrepreneur. But I feel guilty. The fact that I don't want to leave my job. I'm making 280 a year. I got a wife and two kids and we went back and forth. Should I am I feel in the wrong way that to feel like I'm really maximizing my talents, I have to leave the company to start a company, or can I still stay at the company I'm at? So I said, look, you're making a very good point and you're asking a very reasonable question. See, when I say entrepreneur, to me, it has two sides to it. I have entrepreneur, I have intrapreneur. The only difference between an entrepreneur and an intrapreneur is who started the company, but they think the same. Let me say this one more time. The only difference between the entrepreneur and the intrapreneur is who took the risk to start the company, which is the founder. Everything else, they think identical, meaning they don't work regular nine, five hours. They're not the kind that's just a business as usual, hey, am I going to get my 401k benefits on my expenses? Am I? You know, they don't think that way. They think equity, they think valuation, they think about profit sharing. They think about growing the company. They think about recruiting the right talent. They think about scaling, they think about differentiation, they think about a blue ocean to have in the company. They everything's the same. Everything's the same. This is why an intrapreneur within a company 100% of the time. If he's a real entrepreneur, she's a real entrepreneur that's working they're going to end up owning equity and they eventually end up being one of the C suite executives in the company. So when the company gets acquired or sells or gets bought out, they're one of the bigger shareholders and they get a fat check. This is why Steve Ballmer is worth 40, 50, 60 billion dollars depending on what his net worth being calculated. He's never been an entrepreneur, he's an intrapreneur. And Steve Jobs is a great example of somebody who went from being an entrepreneur to back being to a. When he started Apple, he was an entrepreneur. When he started Pixar, he was an entrepreneur. But when he went back to Apple, he was an entrepreneur. He was no longer an entrepreneur the second time back around at Apple. So people don't have to feel guilty. But if you're going to stay within a company and you're going to say, I want to go out there and take this company to the next level, you got to be thinking about somebody that owns the entire company. What would you be doing to grow in the company? And eventually you'll be asking for equity. And if you prove that you own, you bring enough value to get equity, the company you will. If you don't, I guarantee you somebody in the marketplace is going to pick you up. I guarantee you someone in the marketplace is going to pick you up. My CFO was a guy that was with another company making good salary and we picked him up, we brought him on board. He is a very well known CFO in the local area. We brought him on board because he wanted to find an equity position in company. So I said, listen, you're working like that and how about you? If I match your salary and I pay you a little bit more on your salary and I give you a percentage of the company and we go take this thing to the next level, he says I'm all in. And he came on board. So if somebody is an intrapreneur and the company you're with mistreats you and takes you for granted as an intrapreneur, I guarantee you someone's going to recruit you away. So it's a win win.
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I love it. I love it because not enough people, not enough people hear that. And I think that people get stuck and they get depressed and they get sad and man, it's, I love that you're saying that because I agree with 100% of that. And I think that that's what I want people to understand when they consume your content, when they listen to content that is traditionally like focused on entrepreneurs. It's not just focus on entrepreneurs. It's content oriented. It's oriented at their success. And they have to internalize that and realize that they can be more than just, I don't know, like a pawn in a corporate environment. And I think that a lot of people get stuck in that. And that's really what I wanted to bring up because that's hitting a lot of people hard right now. But no. So that's now one other thing that I wanted to bring up. I was doing a little bit of research, as I try and do before I do these podcasts. And on your website you mentioned something. Napoleon Hill's book, the Laws of success in 16 lessons is the best book for entrepreneurs to read. Can you go through why some of those lessons are so important?
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Yeah, I think, look, you have to realize everything is based on the face of your life you're currently at. Laws of Success is probably not the number one book on my list at this phase of my life, but it was the number one book when I was about to get my company going and I'm 30 years old and I have to, you know, study how to concentrate. And he spends a lot of time explaining concentration in a way that others don't talk about. And some of the biggest challenges that a lot of people that start a business or want to take their game to the next level is they don't know how to concentrate. They're always distracted. You know, they're. They're caught up in notification world. Every single notification keeps them, keeps them, keeps them, keeps them, keeps them. They can't even read a book or listen to an audiobook because the notifications distracts them of what? The contents being shared on an audio book or book. So, you know, that book was critical for me at that phase of my life today, you know, I'm reading stuff that people would be bored out of their minds if they read it back then. And I would be bored out of my mind if I read it back then. So many times when you're asking questions and wanting to know about book advice or things like that, I always ask the question, tell me what phase of career you're at. What are you worth right now? What was your top line revenue last month? How many team members do you have? How liquid are you? How much cash do you have? What did you make last month? What's your ebitda? You know, how big is the team? Oh, then I know based on your face to make a recommendation that's suitable for your level. Then if you're somebody that's saying, I just did $28 million last year. I'm at 73 employees dealing with some compliance issues, and I'm trying to get my technology going, and my cyber security is having some challenges. And the general counsel that I have is not the best one. I feel like he's overcharging me by this many fees. Then it's a complete different book I'd be recommending to you. But Laws of Success. For any entrepreneur that's just getting started, it's number one on my list.
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So let's talk about that. Getting started. So your story is like, you know, the traditional core tenants of American Dream. Like, you built yourself from literally coming over as an immigrant. What drove you at the beginning to be this? You know, obviously you didn't see yourself becoming this. Eventually, I think it's hard to see the forest of the trees, but you pushed yourself, and you kept pushing yourself. And what drove you to do that?
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It's a good question. So for me, you're talking to a guy that was a hardcore party animal. I partied seven days a week, and I was at bars every night. And this is what I did for a living until I was 23 years old. And then one day, my dad has a heart attack. I go to the hospital at Medical UCLA Medical center, and I see him being mistreated at the hospital. I have a fallen out with the doctors. They kicked me out of the hospital. I'm sitting in my car, emotional as hell, don't know what's going to be happening. Made a decision that night. I woke up the next day and nobody recognized me because my eyes changed. It went from the eyes of a guy that was his target, was every woman I could come across to. I couldn't even see women anymore. For 17 months, my entire focus was, this man is not going to die. He is never going to worry about money ever again. He's going to leave that 99 cent store he's working at at Inglewood. And that's exactly what happened. He left. I took him to Hawaii. We went and traveled the world. I said, whatever you want. You just tell me, what are your dreams? I'm going to have your dreams become a reality. I want to go watch Kobe play. We're going to go sit right next to Kobe, and you're going to watch him play, and you're going to hear him talk trash from the bench. I want to go to Europe. I want to go to, you know, U.S. open. I want to go to a derby. You just tell me what you want to do. I'm going to take you to it. So that was the beginning of it, right? So now for everybody else that's listening, there's four faces you go through about, you know, making money and being financially free. Number one is survival. A lot of people are making money to survive. They're barely trying to pay their bills. A lot of the people that are struggling right now in America or around the world who didn't prepare for some kind of an event like this, a pandemic, they're driven by survival. They've not been prepared. So they're going to go through a very difficult time right now because they don't have a lot of choices. Whatever opportunity comes up, they got to take it to pay their bills, to survive. And when you're surviving, it's kind of like being underwater. You're trying to catch breath, and every time you come up, another wave hits you, another wave hits you. You don't even have time to think about dreams because all you're thinking about is the next breath. Then the next phase is status. Now you're above water. Now the waves stop. Now you look around and you say which direction you want to swim. I'm going this way. So status is, your sister bought a house. You don't own a house. I want to also go buy a house because my sister has a house. Your friend from high school bought a Mercedes S Class. You're driving a Toyota Corolla. You also want to go buy Mercedes. So it's about status, because people around you are driving you to compete. And it's a good place to be because it comes to the next level. Then eventually, after you're done with the status part, then it becomes about freedom. And freedom is about, how much money do I really need in the bank? You know, I need a million dollars in a bank. Okay, great. I'm gonna go get a million dollars in the bank. How much money do I have so nobody can bully me around with a job or position or money or any of that stuff. I'm sick and tired of being bullied around simply because I don't have enough resources and finances in order. Well, I'm gonna go get free financially. Then comes purpose. And purpose is when you now are above water, you decided to swim this way. Then you build your little town. Then you have some resources, some money, the right contact. Now you say, is this really life Is what life is all about. I'm worth 2.8 million. I have a nice car. I've been all over the world. I've had dinner with the most incredible people. I kind of have an idea about politics and faith and marriage and relationship and money. If this is all life is all about, this is kind of boring. What do I want to do next? Then you come and start thinking about purpose. You start asking the weird questions when you start visualizing what life is going to look like with your wife and kids and family and husband and peers and mom and dad and you know, what kind of a person you want to be, how you want to contribute back to society based on what the life and the world has given to you so far. And then you go into bigger picture. And most people don't really make a run at that part because it takes a lot of work and effort. But some do. So when you're asking that question, originally it was just a chip on my shoulder to make my dad no longer have to be pushed around. Then it was about freedom. And then came purpose.
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Release date: August 22, 2025
In this episode of "Success Story," host Scott D. Clary sits down with Patrick Bet-David, founder of Valuetainment, to discuss how to turn adversity and job insecurity into opportunity by cultivating an entrepreneurial mindset—both as an entrepreneur and within an organization (intrapreneurship). Patrick draws from personal experience, practical frameworks, and stories from his $300 million business journey. Major themes include redefining career growth, building a personal brand, the transformative power of focus, and the drive from survival to purpose.
Patrick explains that thinking like an owner—not just a worker—drives value, promotions, and can lead to real equity.
The only real difference between entrepreneurs and intrapreneurs is who took the initial risk to start the company; both act and think with ownership and growth in mind.
Intrapreneurs are often rewarded with C-suite roles and sometimes significant equity.
“The only difference between an entrepreneur and an intrapreneur is who took the risk to start the company... They think identical... They think equity, they think valuation, they think about profit sharing, they think about growing the company... Everything else is the same.”
— Patrick Bet-David (02:08)
Practical takeaway: If your company doesn’t value you as an intrapreneur, someone else will.
“If somebody is an intrapreneur and the company you’re with mistreats you and takes you for granted, I guarantee you someone’s going to recruit you away. So it’s a win win.”
— Patrick Bet-David (03:49)
Scott emphasizes that lessons from entrepreneurs aren’t just for founders—anyone can apply these principles to elevate their role, impact, and fulfillment, moving beyond feeling like “just a pawn.”
“They can be more than just, I don’t know, like a pawn in a corporate environment. And I think that a lot of people get stuck in that.”
— Scott D. Clary (04:08)
Early in Patrick’s journey, Napoleon Hill’s "Laws of Success in 16 Lessons" was crucial for developing intense focus and discipline.
“Some of the biggest challenges that a lot of people that start a business… is they don’t know how to concentrate. They’re always distracted… That book was critical for me at that phase of my life.”
— Patrick Bet-David (05:20)
Patrick customizes recommendations based on someone’s business size, position, and challenges.
"I always ask… tell me what phase of career you’re at... Then if you’re somebody that's saying, 'I just did $28 million last year…' it’s a complete different book I'd be recommending to you. But Laws of Success— for any entrepreneur that's just getting started, it's number one on my list."
— Patrick Bet-David (06:19)
Patrick shares his personal journey from immigrant hardship to wealth, offering a framework that flips the “American Dream” into actionable stages:
“Survival… it's kind of like being underwater… you don’t even have time to think about dreams... Next phase is status. Now you’re above water... Then eventually, after you’re done with the status part, then it becomes about freedom... Then comes purpose.”
— Patrick Bet-David (08:03–08:45)
Patrick opens up about his motivation, rooted in a pivotal family crisis. The need to protect his father from financial insecurity and indignity sparked his transformation from partying and drifting to relentless ambition:
“One day my dad has a heart attack… I made a decision that night… For 17 months my entire focus was, this man is not going to die. He is never going to worry about money ever again.”
— Patrick Bet-David (07:25)
Achieving this goal fueled Patrick through survival and toward higher levels of fulfillment, culminating in his father living his dreams and Patrick’s journey toward purpose.
On Intrapreneurship vs. Entrepreneurship:
“The only difference between the entrepreneur and the intrapreneur is who took the risk to start the company, which is the founder. Everything else, they think identical.”
— Patrick Bet-David (02:08)
On Being Rewarded for Thinking Like an Owner:
“…if you’re going to stay within a company… you got to be thinking about somebody that owns the entire company. What would you be doing to grow in the company? And eventually you’ll be asking for equity. And if you prove that… the company you will [get it].”
— Patrick Bet-David (02:46)
On Matching Book Recommendations to Life Stage:
“Many times… wanting to know about book advice, I always ask… tell me what phase of career you’re at... Then I know based on your face to make a recommendation that’s suitable for your level.”
— Patrick Bet-David (05:58)
On What Drove Him:
“Originally it was just a chip on my shoulder to make my dad no longer have to be pushed around. Then it was about freedom. And then came purpose.”
— Patrick Bet-David (10:29)
| Timestamp | Segment | Key Points & Quotes | |------------|-------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00–00:41| Episode Setup | How to transform job insecurity into opportunity with entrepreneurial mindset. | | 00:41–03:54| Intrapreneurship & Company Value | “The only difference between an entrepreneur and an intrapreneur...” (02:08) | | 03:54–04:55| Empowering Non-Entrepreneurs | Moving beyond being a ‘pawn’ at work. | | 04:55–06:47| Books & Focus: Laws of Success | The impact of Napoleon Hill’s “Laws of Success” on early entrepreneurial journey. | | 06:47–11:08| Patrick’s Story & Motivational Framework | Phases of financial/personal growth; personal story of family motivation. |
The conversation is candid, practical, and motivational. Patrick Bet-David shares both tactical business advice and deep personal revelations, while Scott D. Clary creates a welcoming space for listeners to see themselves in both the struggles and the victories.
Patrick Bet-David’s journey from turbulent beginnings to building a $300 million empire is rooted in a relentless drive to create options—not just for himself, but for his family and, ultimately, for his purpose. He argues that the entrepreneurial mindset is accessible to anyone willing to think and act like an owner, whether you’re a founder or working within someone else’s business. Cultivating focus, matching advice to your situation, and understanding your deeper motivations are the real secrets of long-term success.