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In this Lessons episode, explore how professional identity can be rebuilt when a career path is suddenly taken away. Discover how adversity can reveal purpose through service. Understand why listening more than speaking creates meaningful impact. And uncover how aligning work with passion and values leads to long term fulfillment. So the last thing I actually really wanted to get your, your feedback and your perspective on is reinventing professional identity. Because people struggle with this at all stages in their career. You were forced to do it, but a lot of people aren't forced to do it, but they're just hating their life and they don't know where to go. They hate the job that they're in. You literally had to because you were never allowed to go into the military ever again. And you created a life of speaking motivational speaker. Now you sort of spread the message. You help people sort of upskill themselves. Understand how to deal with adversity. All these different leadership topics that are great, but obviously that's not what you thought you were going to be doing when you were young. So you come out of the, you know, you come out of the hospital, how do you, how do you find out where you want to spend your time? How do you reinvent this professional identity that was taken away from you?
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So I follow my passion. That's for me. What's my passion? So six months after I was injured, I was going through the motions, appointments every day, you know, doctors, therapy, all that stuff. One of the nurses asked me, hey, will you go in and talk to this patient that six months ago was injured and is now in a horrible place? Will you go in and talk to him? And I said, no. She said, why not? I said, because I'm 20 years old. What am I going to offer to him? And she said, just go in and talk to him. How things have gotten better for you. I was like, no freaking way. And she kept insisting, insisting, insisting. And finally I was like, okay, fine, I'll do it right now. Hindsight, looking back at it, that was the universe telling me, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. So I finally, I'm like, fine, I'll do it just to get her off my back. That was really the only reason I decided to do it. I opened the door to this hospital room, it's completely dark in this guy's room. And I'm like, it gives me that pit in my stomach. Oh, shit, he's not in a good place. And I was like, I can't leave. I opened the door, he knows I'm standing there, that what Would that look like if I just walked out? So I walked up to his bed and I introduced myself. And it was in that moment, man, that my definition of a conversation was redefined. I asked him about four or five questions, right? Sort of the general stuff. Where you from? How old are you? What unit were you in? What happened to you? What do you like to do? Stuff like that. You know, surface stuff. And also, the dude took it from there and just started talking. Then 45 minutes later, I was like, hey, man, all right, cool. It was good talking to you. Hey, I'm gonna come back tomorrow. You okay with that? He's like, yeah, man, I'd love that. And I started to walk out of his room. But before I could exit the room, I noticed something. Remember when I told you when I walked in the room, it was completely dark? As I was starting to exit the room, he turned the light on. And then when I looked back into the room, he actually was out of his bed, opening the curtain. He was letting some light in the room again. It's not always these big reveals and signs that we should be paying attention to and looking for. It's simple things. That's a simple sign. And what I did is not ignore it. And I said, huh, that was interesting. But I like the feeling that I got. And so what, I mean, real quick, my definition of a conversation was redefined. I learned in that moment that a conversation does not consist of you speaking for 50% and me speaking for 50%. It means that if Scott's going to talk for 75% of the time, then I'm going to spend 75% of the conversation listening. And if I only speak 25%, that's okay. I spent 75 listening. So I exit the room. Instead of ignoring that, I go up, find the head doctor. I ask him if I can visit patients every day between my appointments. He says, of course. That'd be great. You have something that we don't have experience. You, you're living this. So, yeah. So I went every day and in the afternoon into the evening and visited patients. I would knock on doors, I would walk in, I'd introduce myself, we'd start rapping. And literally, I, I, I, I was just. I always just thought of, like, a walking, talking guide to this recovery process. This is what I've experienced. This is what, this is what this is. What's going to happen is what you have to do. That's all I did. But the thing, as much as I felt like I was giving them something, the thing that I discovered they were given me. A few weeks into doing this, I discovered one evening when I was walking back to my room, I had this really good feeling in my heart, man. And I just remember smiling. And when I got to my room, I sat down, I just started thinking about the visits and the conversations and the feeling. And I just thought they gave me the thing that I thought I lost. The ability to serve. They gave me my purpose back.
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With belay, it's going to look completely different. Right. I'm not in the military anymore, but I don't need to be in the military to serve people, to be of service. Okay, cool. So for me, it literally came down to my why is service to people? I like to serve people. I like to give back to people. So when I got into the nonprofit sector and I became a spokesman for a nonprofit to raise awareness for troops, it was about I'm serving people. This is an opportunity for me to serve. When I got into the speaking space, it's about my way of serving people. When I got became an actor on a soap opera called All My Children, it was an opportunity for me to serve people. Every I was always operating from, I'm serving people. When I got on Dancing with the Stars, it was my way to serve people. When I wrote a book, it was my way to continue to serve people. With more of my story. As I've continued to speak virtual, I'm still serving people. So for me, it always goes back to for people that are like, looking for I'm not happy or this doesn't bring me joy. Well, what does make you happy? And when you identify the thing that makes you happy, also identify. Why does that make you happy? Because it's not to say that you can't work in this job. It's just maybe you have to then realize that this job gives you the opportunity to. For example, if I'm all about people, this is no knock on accountants. I'm just going to throw something random out. But if I'm an accountant, right. And I've talked to accountants and a lot, some of them will say like, oh, it's just kind of mundane, just going to, you know, answer a couple questions, blah, blah, blah. It's the same thing. Right? Right. There's some. I've heard people say there's no adventure. Yeah. But for me, I love serving people. So if I was an accountant or if I'm a teacher or if I the barista or the cashier, I know everything that I do is about people. It's about serving people, impacting people. So you could take junior, log me off right now, drop me in the middle of a coffee shop and say, that's your job now. And even though I don't like the barista part of it, even though I don't like pushing buttons on the cat on the register or whatever, I love the interaction with people. And so for me, by me showing up in that way, it's going to allow everything else to just essentially just take off. It's going to sort of paint this picture that, hey, what you're doing is clearly right. So what is your passion is the biggest thing I ask people stop waiting around for this, like, for, for, for, you know, for, for this big reveal, the sign. It's like, what do you enjoy doing? What do you love doing? And maybe your career doesn't give you the opportunity to fulfill that thing, but in most cases it does. You just have to identify what it is that you actually love to do. And so that's why people have said from a virtual standpoint, they feel the same energy that they would feel if I was in person. You and I meet, man, in person, you're gonna see, you're gonna get the same dude. The same dude. So for me, it's about, you got to understand what it is that you're, what it is that you do, why do you do it, what do you love to do? And then from there you just gotta trust, you know, you just gotta be willing to trust. I mean, you know, you just gotta be willing to trust, man. Trust yourself and trust that the universe and be willing to try something. Because you're never going to be able to get to where you want to go and identify some things about yourself if you're not willing to exercise a certain part of that muscle. And, and the biggest thing is I would just tell people, leave people with this is, you know, as you move through life, just from, if there's one thing you remember from, from my story is that I was willing to always lean in, that I was always willing to listen, whether someone who was listening to me or I was listening to the universe and paying attention to what signs were being presented to me. I was always paying attention. And so. But all of us have the ability to do it. All of us. I've told you my life, like, there's nothing. So it's not like I was born to these really scholarly parents and, you know, influential academias. Like, no, like, I was just kind of a normal kid, you know, you know, just love sports and goofing around and being silly. But also I had to do some work, and I still have to do some work in order for my relationship with my wife to evolve and for it to be what it has become and for hopefully to be what it's going to be. I have to also be willing to do some work so I have to identify there's things that she says or does that trigger me. Why do they trigger me? Maybe it's more about me and less about her. But I can't communicate that to her. If I'm not willing to find out why that triggers me why that bothers me. I have to be willing to to do the work myself and then I can convey that to her. If she then does does nothing with it and doesn't care. Well, that's a separate conversation. But I first have to be willing to do the work. I can't just tell her stop doing that. Well, why? Well, find the why.
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Date: December 17, 2025
In this special “Lessons” episode, host Scott D. Clary explores the powerful topic of reinventing professional identity after loss and adversity. Joined by Army veteran, motivational speaker, author, and actor J.R. Martinez, the conversation dives into:
J.R. Martinez shares personal stories from his own remarkable journey: from being severely injured in Iraq, to rising as a motivational speaker, TV actor, and renowned storyteller—shining light on resilience, self-discovery, and the universal quest for meaning.
[00:00–01:06]
“You literally had to because you were never allowed to go into the military ever again. And you created a life of speaking... That’s not what you thought you were going to be doing when you were young.”
— Scott D. Clary (00:31)
[01:06–05:11]
“In that moment, my definition of a conversation was redefined... If Scott’s going to talk for 75% of the time, then I’m going to spend 75%... listening. And if I only speak 25%, that’s okay.”
— J.R. Martinez (03:37)
“They gave me the thing that I thought I lost: the ability to serve. They gave me my purpose back.”
— J.R. Martinez (05:01)
[07:24–09:40]
“I’m not in the military anymore, but I don’t need to be in the military to serve people, to be of service. Okay, cool. So for me, it literally came down to my why is service to people.”
— J.R. Martinez (07:29)
“If I was an accountant... there’s some, I’ve heard people say, there’s no adventure. Yeah. But for me, I love serving people. If I was an accountant or a teacher or a barista, I know everything I do is about people. It’s about serving people, impacting people.”
— J.R. Martinez (08:32)
[09:40–12:39]
“Stop waiting around for this big reveal, the sign. What do you enjoy doing? What do you love doing? Maybe your career doesn’t give you the opportunity to fulfill that thing, but in most cases it does. You just have to identify what it is you actually love to do.”
— J.R. Martinez (09:52)
“If there’s one thing you remember from my story, it’s that I was willing to always lean in, that I was always willing to listen—whether someone was listening to me or I was listening to the universe...”
— J.R. Martinez (10:38)
“There’s things that [my wife] says or does that trigger me. Why do they trigger me? Maybe it’s more about me and less about her... I have to be willing to do some work myself and then I can convey that to her.”
— J.R. Martinez (11:54)
Redefining Conversation:
“A conversation does not consist of you speaking for 50% and me speaking for 50%. If Scott’s going to talk for 75% of the time, then I’m going to spend 75% listening.”
— J.R. Martinez (03:35)
Letting Light In:
“[The patient] turned the light on... He was letting some light in the room again. It's not always these big reveals... It’s simple things.”
— J.R. Martinez (04:26)
On Career Fulfillment:
“You got to understand what it is that you do, why do you do it, what do you love to do? And then from there you just got to trust.”
— J.R. Martinez (09:10)
Warm, candid, and deeply reflective, the episode is driven by J.R. Martinez’s humility, humor, and resilience. He offers both practical wisdom and memorable storytelling, making the lessons accessible and inspiring for anyone navigating change.