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Dave Asprey
It's between 80 and 94.
Scott
Okay, well, that's horrifying. So the point is that when people try and perform better, they're already putting toxins or they're already putting garbage into their body. So even at a most rudimentary level, the. The performance that people are chasing is hurting them more than helping them.
Dave Asprey
I don't know that you can say more than helping them. So there are studies that even if you drink moldy coffee, which gives you jitter, cranky, makes you want sugar, all the reasons I quit coffee for five years, because I just felt shitty. You feel good and then bad, and you need more. And it's like a.
Scott
But, no, my point is that is how most performance products feel. Gym, coffee, nootropics. Like, it's all, like, high is low. So this is almost like the. Because I've. I've tried everything under the sun, and this is almost like the. The. The necessary evil with performance products. It's not good performance.
Dave Asprey
It's totally not. It's because it's what they've experienced. Yes. And what you look at it is there's a slope of the curve up. Like, how good do you feel? And then how sustained is it and why? And a lot of times when I first got into drugs in my mid-20s, just so I could do my job. Yeah, some of those were really ampy, and others you wouldn't know you were taking it until you stopped. And it turns out the best nootropics are subtle. Like, wow, I feel more like myself today. And in fact, I'm not sure it's even working. And you quit it. And the next day, like, why did I put my car keys in the fridge? Oh, I didn't do it all last week when I was taking it. So it took a lot of unpacking, both from doing neuroscience and from formulating nootropics, and 25 years of taking them to understand that most of the stuff you can buy out there, stuff like alpha brain or whatever, they're saying, well, let's just stimulate a neurotransmitter called acetylcholine. This is Something we've known how to do since the 80s. I was mentored by the guy who wrote Smart Drug news throughout the 80s and 90s, Steve, folks, who's a dear friend who's been on my show. So it turns out when you're young and you take a product like that, it's probably just going to give you muscle tension and make you clench your jaw because you need more of that as you age. But when you're younger, you need something different. So understanding how this works took a long time to unpack. But as a systems engineering guy for your brain, this is important for entrepreneurs and just for people who want to perform. It's number one is how much energy can you make right? Number two is how flexible is your brain. And there's ways to manipulate both of those. And then the third thing is how much do you waste on useless thoughts that you can't control? And if you make a ton of energy, you have a brain that can transform itself easily and you don't waste any energy on thinking about tacos or thinking about that mean thing someone said last week. Well, there's an awful lot left over for you to run a business and be a parent and have great intimate relationships and serve your community and evolve yourself. But if you're where I was and where so many entrepreneurs are, you're stuck because like, there's a sense of doom and only problems come your way when you're CEO a lot of the time and you don't have enough energy and it's allocated all wrong and there's nothing left at the end of the day, especially if you're a parent. So whatever little bit you have, you're going to look at your toddler who's going to say, no, no, no. And you're like, okay, I'm burning my last bit of willpower on patience. And then your life sucks. And it happens so often. It's because you didn't have enough energy and you allocated it wrong. And because your brain was stuck because it was rigid. All of those are eminently hackable with substances and behaviors.
Scott
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Dave Asprey
That more my own biology.
Scott
Yeah, exactly. And then people look at Brian Johnson and they'll say like, I don't have whatever X million dollars to spend on my body per year, so that scares people off. What are the simple things that people can do?
Dave Asprey
Let's talk about this. So I spent about 2, maybe 2.5 at this point over 25 years. Okay, that's a little bit more doable. And I'm friends with Brian. Right. There is not a need to spend $2 million even on the most aggressive longevity therapies. You could easily spend a half a million dollars. I've done the world's most advanced gene therapies. I just reset my central aging clock in my brain with focused ultrasound and stem cells and all the stuff you can do, I've done it. It doesn't cost you a million dollars and most people don't need to do it. So when I write books like Superhuman is my longevity book. And if you look at what Brian's doing and you look at what's in Superhuman, like there's a common agreement there about what are the things you do to reduce aging. I age at 73%. The age of normal. And I don't spend $2 million a year. You don't need to do that. But if you want to hire a bunch of techs to measure things, you can spend that much. So what can you do? Number one, like, these are boring numbers. Learn how to get good sleep.
Scott
By the way, boring is useful, though. Oh, yes, it's boring, but useful.
Dave Asprey
I want to talk about, you know, all the most advanced things. Usually when I write a book, I go do what the crazy billionaires are doing. And that. That just demonstrates what's possible, and it demonstrates a principle. And then I say, well, now that we know this pathway matters for aging or performance, what can you do that's cheap? And what can you do that's free? And so anyone who's sitting here going, well, you have to be rich to live a long time. You don't. In fact, I know a friend. She's aging at slightly less quickly than Brian Johnson, and her total spend is under 20 grand a year. Right. She's not a public person at all. So, like, what's going on here? Well, sleep is number one. And as an entrepreneur who started a big company while working for another big company, I intentionally restricted my sleep to under five hours a night for two years. And it was a conscious choice. It's probably not good for you. It's probably not good for aging. Can you do it with biohacking? Yeah. When people start doing the things that I teach, they usually need an hour less sleep. And you could say, well, that's bad, because don't we all need eight hours of sleep? That is not what the evidence shows. There are now three studies of more than a million people for multiple years. The people who live the longest sleep six and a half hours a night. Not because they're restricting their sleep. It's because healthy people need less sleep.
Scott
And they're probably getting the right kind of sleep.
Dave Asprey
Of course. Yeah, right. So for me, I was a five minutes of deep sleep and five minutes of REM sleep per night. Okay? That's the worst sleep you can get. So about 17 years ago, I started tracking my sleep, and I bought this headband that was not Victoria's Secret approved. And I wore it every night. And I realized, oh, my God, I suck at this. And I learned all the different things that impact the quality of your sleep. And so as an example, I just flew here yesterday to Miami from Austin, and I spoke in an event until about 10:30 last night. And I got an hour of deep sleep and 90 minutes of REM sleep in six and a half hours last night. That's more than most college students get. And younger people get higher quality sleep than older people. Unless you know how to sleep. So it's something you can learn. It's a skill. Just like swimming or walking or playing pool. Whatever you're into, you can learn to do it. And how. Oh, well.
Scott
You don't have to do the whole flavor that I found.
Dave Asprey
The first thing you do is just get something that accurately tracks your sleep. There's the Oura ring. My favorite company's called Sleep Space. They're doing really, really advanced work. You can get a whoop. Your Apple watch will do it. And when you wake up in the morning, yeah, looking at your sleep is pretty good. But looking at your recovery score, which is a marker of how much recovery did your body actually do last night? And the higher the number, the better. So if you look at that, you go, huh, it sucked last night. Oh, I had two glasses of wine with dinner. Anyone who tracks their sleep will know alcohol is bad for you because it ruins your sleep. Even if you think you fell asleep better, you don't feel good. You don't get good quality sleep. So it's quality over quantity. And the summary of all this, that is a gift. And the funniest URL of my entire marketing career. Sleepwithdave.com that's good. That's just like the free masterclass on anything you can do to sleep better. I love it. And a quick call out. One of the things that's most impactful, especially for jet lag or if you're up at night in a studio or something. One of my companies does circadian biology. It's called TrueDark. TrueDark.com I'm wearing the TrueDark daytime glasses right now. These block toxic blue, but allow healthy blue in the nighttime. Glasses are a different color. They block all of the different things that control your timing system. There's a part of your brain called the scn and it's desperate to know what time of day it is. And it uses light and food timing. So if you want to get a good night's sleep, dim everything in your house or have red night lights or get the TrueDark glasses and have dinner earlier. If you just do those two things, you'll be shocked at how your quality of sleep changes. And there's a bunch of other stuff. Temperature and timing and breathing exercises. Blacking out your room is another thing.
Scott
There's a lot.
Dave Asprey
There's a lot. Yeah, but that's if you just do that, you're going to age less quickly and you're going to perform better and it you are going to be in bed anyway. So you just got more benefits and less time.
Scott
Thanks for tuning in. If you found this valuable, don't forget to hit that subscribe button so you never miss an episode. And if you want to dive deeper into this conversation, check out the links in the description to watch the full episode. See you in the next one.
Dave Asprey
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Scott
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Episode: Lessons - Simple, Free Ways to Boost Your Health | Dave Asprey - Biohacking Pioneer
Host: Scott D. Clary
Guest: Dave Asprey, Founder of Bulletproof and Biohacking Pioneer
Release Date: May 14, 2025
In this enlightening episode of the Success Story Podcast, host Scott D. Clary welcomes Dave Asprey, a renowned entrepreneur and the father of biohacking. Asprey shares his extensive journey in optimizing human performance and longevity through practical, accessible methods.
Scott opens the discussion by addressing a common entry point into peak performance—coffee. He expresses concern over the quality of commercially available coffee, highlighting that a significant percentage may contain harmful substances.
Scott (03:07): "If you look at peak performance, I think for most people, coffee is the gateway into peak performance. But I didn't even realize that you said 50% of coffee that you can just buy at the grocery store is full of mold anyways."
Dave responds by elaborating on the pervasive issue of contaminated coffee and its adverse effects on health and performance.
Dave Asprey (03:07): "It's between 80 and 94. There are studies that even if you drink moldy coffee, which gives you jitter, cranky, makes you want sugar, all the reasons I quit coffee for five years, because I just felt shitty."
The conversation shifts to the broader spectrum of performance enhancers, including gym supplements and nootropics. Scott points out that many of these products provide only temporary boosts while introducing toxins into the body.
Scott (04:00): "It's like the necessary evil with performance products. It's not good performance."
Dave concurs, explaining that many performance-enhancing substances offer short-lived benefits without addressing long-term health and sustainability.
Dave Asprey (04:00): "Most of the stuff you can buy out there, like alpha brain or whatever, they're saying, well, let's just stimulate a neurotransmitter called acetylcholine... But when you're younger, you need something different."
Dave delves into the core principles of effective biohacking, emphasizing energy production, brain flexibility, and minimizing mental energy waste.
Dave Asprey (05:45): "How much energy can you make, how flexible is your brain, and how much do you waste on useless thoughts."
He explains that enhancing these areas allows individuals to better manage their personal and professional lives, reducing feelings of burnout and improving overall quality of life.
A significant portion of the discussion centers on the importance of sleep quality over quantity. Dave shares his personal struggles with sleep and how optimizing it has transformed his health and performance.
Dave Asprey (12:00): "There are now three studies of more than a million people for multiple years. The people who live the longest sleep six and a half hours a night. Not because they're restricting their sleep. It's because healthy people need less sleep."
He emphasizes that sleep is a skill that can be learned and improved through various strategies, such as using sleep-tracking devices and optimizing environmental factors.
Dave Asprey (14:30): "The first thing you do is just get something that accurately tracks your sleep. There's the Oura ring, Sleep Space... You can learn to do it. It's a skill."
Dave provides actionable advice for listeners looking to enhance their sleep:
Track Your Sleep: Utilize devices like the Oura Ring or Sleep Space to monitor sleep patterns and quality.
Optimize Light Exposure: Use specialized glasses like TrueDark to manage blue light exposure, which can disrupt circadian rhythms.
Dave Asprey (15:10): "TrueDark daytime glasses... block toxic blue, but allow healthy blue in the nighttime."
Control Environmental Factors: Dim lights, regulate room temperature, and use red night lights to create a conducive sleep environment.
Consistent Meal Timing: Align eating schedules with circadian rhythms to support better sleep quality.
Breathing Exercises and Blackout Techniques: Implement relaxation practices and ensure the bedroom is dark to enhance sleep depth.
Asprey underscores that effective biohacking doesn't require exorbitant investments. He contrasts his own multi-million-dollar investment in advanced therapies with more affordable strategies that deliver significant benefits.
Dave Asprey (11:56): "Sleep is number one... Healthy people need less sleep."
He highlights that small, consistent changes can lead to substantial improvements in health, longevity, and performance without the need for expensive interventions.
Dave Asprey (12:00): "You can learn to do it. It's a skill. Just like swimming or walking or playing pool."
In wrapping up the discussion, Dave Asprey reinforces the idea that simple, free methods can significantly boost health and performance. By prioritizing sleep quality, managing light exposure, and optimizing energy usage, individuals can enhance their overall well-being and achieve sustainable peak performance.
Dave Asprey (16:21): "If you just do that, you're going to age less quickly and you're going to perform better and you are going to be in bed anyway. So you just got more benefits and less time."
Scott thanks Dave for his insights and encourages listeners to explore the practical strategies discussed to optimize their health and performance.
Scott Clary (03:07): "If you look at peak performance, I think for most people, coffee is the gateway into peak performance. But I didn't even realize that you said 50% of coffee that you can just buy at the grocery store is full of mold anyways."
Dave Asprey (04:00): "It's like the necessary evil with performance products. It's not good performance."
Dave Asprey (12:00): "There are now three studies of more than a million people for multiple years. The people who live the longest sleep six and a half hours a night. Not because they're restricting their sleep. It's because healthy people need less sleep."
Dave Asprey (14:30): "The first thing you do is just get something that accurately tracks your sleep. There's the Oura ring, Sleep Space... You can learn to do it. It's a skill."
Dave Asprey (16:21): "If you just do that, you're going to age less quickly and you're going to perform better and you are going to be in bed anyway. So you just got more benefits and less time."
This episode offers valuable insights into biohacking, emphasizing that achievable, everyday practices can lead to remarkable improvements in health and performance. Dave Asprey's expertise provides listeners with practical tools to enhance their lives without the need for extravagant expenditures.