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What does that mean for esports? What is being like how do you become the best? Because if you're talking about all the different, different games that you could play, do you just focus on the one that's growing the fastest? It has the biggest community and figure and play that again and again?
Professional Esports Player
It's a very good question, right? So I will say I got lucky on my first move in World of Warcraft because World of Warcraft just happened to be one of the largest games back then. But then in the fourth year competing in that game, 22,009 actually I decided to quit World of Warcraft and I decided to quit for different reasons than the game being smaller. I didn't even think about that. I quit because I felt like I wasn't the owner of my luck. How like I wasn't like the game had certain things that would make it so the class I play in the game would just become.
Less and less up to me to win with, you know, So I was like, yeah, I don't want to play. Like, yeah, out of my control completely. So I decided to quit, you know, and I quit on my peak. I think I, I played, I won in Europe and then I played the world championship and I think ended like third or fourth, I can remember exactly. And the first with my, you know, there's like different classes in the video game. I was playing Warrior and I was the, the best warrior in the world, right? And so, yeah, then I decided to quit because of that reason. And then I then asked myself, okay, I want a career out of this. So I think I have a gift to play video games. I think that I'm. My eye hand coordination is pretty good. I think that I can think on the spot really well as well. And also I have no fear. I mean I am inherently a very confident person, which is very useful in game to assert dominance whenever you're playing, you know, and facing someone. So what game should I play next? What games fits my skill set and what game is played by a lot of people? Because the more people that play the game and watch the game, the more price pool I will have access to, right? And that's when I consciously decided to go for League of Legends, which is even as of today, one of the largest games on the planet, if not the largest. I'm pretty sure it's the largest PC game on the planet. And that's when I built the next portion of my career. For five years straight played that game, became one of the best in the world that it played a lot of tournaments, Build the brand, created content, live streamed and made myself, you know, a known, you know, professional player with a lot of fans. And yeah, that was a conscious effort and I'm very glad that I did that. Even though like League of Legends back then was not my favorite game, I just thought that I could be very good at it and I thought that I could have a career that I could live by live with. You know.
Interviewer
When you are trying to become the best at a game, what does your actual routine look like? What's your day to day?
Professional Esports Player
So in traditional sports, you shouldn't practice more than your body physically allows you to because then it becomes counterproductive, right? When your muscles are too tired, then you get into bad habits. And.
Yeah, you get into bad habits when you're too tired. But with video games, I always Say if your mind can take it, you should be training.
You're not gonna get exhausted on your arms. You're not gonna. Unless you really have a up way to pick up the mouse or the controller. You're not gonna develop carpal tunnel, you know, like.
Yeah, like, it's not gonna physically tax you if you just do the ABC of what to do when you play games. Like a stretch every now and then, turn up from your chair and like, you know, stretch and whatever, right? But. But mentally, it's very taxing because every game you play, you have to think about a thousand things, a thousand things while you. You're controlling your character, while you're thinking about what your team is doing, what moves should the team do next? What is my opponent thinking of doing? It's just very taxing, you know, and you have to take it seriously so that you can develop good habits. So I think that an average successful career has a player training eight to ten hours a day. And there's players that can take more, there's players that can take less. There's more creative players that benefit more from playing only 6, 7 hours, whereas there is more players that benefit a lot from repetition, that, you know, having 11, 12 hours a day help them more. So it ranges, you know, but for the most part, I think.
The rule of thumb is if you can take it, you should be practicing. And the way in which you practice. There's two ways in which you practice in esports. One is alongside your team. So if it's a team game, you practice alongside your team and you practice against other teams or your sister team. And then you practice team play. You practice call outs, you practice together, you learn how to play together the game. You practice picks and bands. You practice the way in which you guys play the game together. And you practice what you. Your team is known for, what is your playstyle, right? Which takes.
Hundreds, if not thousands of hours. Okay?
And then you practice by yourself in the sense of you practice your mechanics. Imagine this as if you're in. You're an NBA player and you're just shooting by yourself, right? Just shooting at the basket for hours. And the way in which you do that is every game has their. Is something called solo queue. And you just queue up and then you automatically get placed with other players in the world in your team and other players in the opposite team, random people that are of your level, more or less. And that's how you practice. You learn new mechanics, you develop your own. And. Yeah, and those two combined make up for.
The totality of your practice. Some players like to go to hit the gym. A lot of them actually like to also read books and just develop their minds. And I have come to realize that it does help depending on the player.
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Professional Esports Player
I mean, it was practicing game. I was hitting the gym as well and I was reading books. I like to read books a lot and I like meditating as well. I picked up reading books and meditation when I was 17 and funnily enough, it was when everything just boomed, you know, like.
Interviewer
Yeah.
Professional Esports Player
And I have never lost the habit anymore. I don't meditate every day, but I use it as a tool, you know, and same goes for reading books. When I feel like I'm a bit stuck or I'm a bit overly stressed about something and my current job, it can get incredibly stressful, even more so than as a player. But I've learned the little tactics to get rid of that stress and to find solutions to complex problems that require a lot of creativity and ambition and balls. Honestly, like, sometimes I just have to, sometimes I just have to take a leap of faith and you know, using my gut feel as, as the faith, you know, and, and, and I feel like reading books and meditation, meditating and spending time with myself helped me greatly.
Interviewer
Yeah, no, I just find it so fascinating because, you know, you, when you look at, when you look at traditional sports and you find the people that are the best, well, you know, they, they put in the hours and they put in the work, but then they find the best, they usually will find the best coach and that will Sort of guide them. And because traditional sports, there's been people that have done it before, right? There' there's training methods that have done it before. If you're the number one esports player, no one's ever really done it before. There's no coach that has done this as a professional for 10 years before you were even born that knows how to train, knows how to navigate, knows how to deal with contracts. So like technically you're, you're more or less on your own. Did you find somebody or was it, was it you sort of paving the way? Because when I look at you and your story, it seems that you paved the way for how to coach, how to train, how to negotiate, how to, how to build a brand, how to sort of operate at a high level when you're actually, as a player, it was just you basically and probably a handful of other people that were coming up at the same time as you.
Professional Esports Player
Yeah, this is, that's actually a good point. Like, it is true that I never had.
I didn't, I never had a mentor as a player, like just never had a mentors player. That simple. Because I was, I mean, I was not literally the first player, but I was the first player, you know.
It was, I was one of the first players, you know, and I could just look at my environment and say, okay, that works. Okay, that doesn't work. Okay, that guy got fucked. Okay. You know, I was just taking my learnings the hard way, you know, and, and yeah, you're right. I mean, I had to build my own path. And in a way that's why I think, and I'm very grateful for this. The industry.
Like my reputation and credibility within the industry is really high.
It makes me happy that people look back and see me as.
Yeah, a legacy player that now is touching a completely different.
Side of the business, you know, and, and ultimately, man.
I feel like it's just, it's just, it's fun when you have to build a path that's never existed before because you like, you learn to take fuck ups and failures as just another day in the office, you know, like right now, like the culture of G2, it's incredible. Like I feel like people just know inherently that the only thing that will be held accountable to is to try out things. That's the one metric that everybody's held accountable to. Just try out things that haven't been done before or try out things that you think you can do better. And that's the only KPI pretty much, you know, if you Fail at it, that's okay. But if you, if you get nothing new done, if you're taking no, no, no risks, that is when, you know, when I start looking at you, maybe not a good culture fit. And I think that comes from my times as a player. Like, so many decisions were straight up wrong. Even in social media, just having a big mouth. And it sometimes was great. Something was shitty, you know, and I built a brand as a. My brand is completely transparent. This raw guy that is just bantering with everyone, having a good time, and sometimes misses the mark. That's pretty much me, you know, And. And I love it. You know, I really love it. Because you can't. What's the word I'm looking for? You can't serve the wave unless you're at the exact proper place in the wave. If you're too high, if you're too low, you're going to miss it. And sometimes you will miss the mark. You will miss the wave, and sometimes you missing the mark is going to get you a lot of hatred, and you have to be okay with that, you know, So I feel like going through all those failures, including shitty contracts signed, including bad decisions around changing players, including whatever it is. The fact that I can't look at a Bible and just say, okay, I was right or, okay, this is wrong, and just look at just the results of my actions is very reassuring and like almost liberation, you know, it's like a freedom, you know, you can.
Interviewer
You can trust yourself. You can trust. I think that's the most powerful thing you can ever do. You trust yourself. You know that if you had to, you had to do it all again. You had to figure it all out again. You just trust that you'd do it because you figured it out once. And now you start to understand that if you can figure out and navigate all the. The good, the bad, and the. That happened to you, and you do it successfully once, you can do it multiple times, and you probably, you know, your, Your career and your life is going to look different in another 20 years from now, whatever that is, and then you'll figure that piece out. And I think that's probably the most powerful thing you can do. And you can only fit. You can only ever come to that conclusion if you failed a lot, because then if you haven't failed you, you don't know how to deal with the failure. You don't know how to trust how you'd react when. When stuff doesn't go the way you want it to go.
Professional Esports Player
So I think that's just the small things in the day to day, right? Like, yeah, small things, small things, whatever small may be. You know, it's like when something is out of the comfort zone, it's like the reason you just don't want to do is because, okay, what if I do it and then I do, I don't do it properly? Or what if I try to do it and it's just not the expectation I had. It just doesn't matter, you know, just, just, just go, you know, just do it. What's the worst case scenario? You know, you lose the evening. Like what is the worst thing? You lose €100. Like what's the worst case scenario? You know, just try it. You know, if you really feel in it. Well, why not? You know, if anything, you get a hundred euro lesson. I always say that, you know.
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Release Date: December 1, 2025
In this episode, host Scott D. Clary sits down with Carlos Rodriguez, a pioneering professional esports athlete and 17-time European champion. Carlos unpacks what it really takes to win at the highest levels in esports—from strategic game selection to rigorous training, personal development, and building mental fortitude. He offers an unfiltered look into the realities of a career in competitive gaming, the importance of adapting to new challenges, and why failure is an essential teacher in both esports and life.
Luck vs. Strategy: Carlos discusses how luck played into his initial success as he began competing in World of Warcraft (WoW), but his subsequent career pivots were intentional.
Conscious Career Moves: After peaking in WoW, Carlos made a deliberate choice to move on, prioritizing games with large communities and prize pools that matched his skills.
Brand Building: He underscores that building a personal brand as a professional player requires both skill and adaptability, especially when switching to new games.
Mental Over Physical Limits: Unlike traditional sports, esports training is about how much the mind can endure, not just the body.
Training Hours: The norm is 8-10 hours of focused gameplay daily, with some professionals pushing even further.
Practice Types:
No Role Models: Unlike traditional sports, Carlos lacked mentors and had to pioneer his own path in esports.
Learning by Trial and Error: His success and reputation are built on lessons learned through both wins and prominent mistakes.
Risk-Taking Culture: Now as a business leader, Carlos fosters a culture where risk-taking and innovation are celebrated, rooted in his own experience as a pioneering player.
“So many decisions were straight up wrong. Even in social media, just having a big mouth… it sometimes was great, sometimes was shitty… My brand is completely transparent, this raw guy that is just bantering with everyone, having a good time, and sometimes misses the mark. That’s pretty much me, you know. And I love it.”
Carlos Rodriguez (15:16)
Failure as a Teacher: Both Carlos and Scott agree that true confidence and adaptability come only from navigating failures.
Long-Term Mindset: The muscles for self-trust and resilience are only built by repeatedly pushing out of the comfort zone.
No Fear of Small Failures:
On Picking the Right Game:
“What game should I play next? …the more people that play the game and watch the game, the more prize pool I will have access to.”
(03:31, Carlos)
On the Mental Demands of Esports:
“Every game you play, you have to think about a thousand things… while you’re controlling your character… what your team is doing, what moves should the team do next… It’s just very taxing.”
(05:18, Carlos)
On Building a Culture of Experimentation:
“The only thing that will be held accountable to is to try out things… If you fail at it, that’s okay... But if you get nothing new done… that’s when I start looking at you.”
(14:53, Carlos)
This candid conversation provides unique insights into the mindset and strategies of a true esports pioneer. Carlos Rodriguez’s journey highlights that sustained competitive success depends on strategic choices, relentless practice, personal development, and the ability to boldly experiment and learn from failure. His story and advice resonate far beyond esports for anyone striving for excellence in any emerging or fast-changing field.