Hour 1: Broadcast Partners

Summary

Podcast Summary: Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron

Episode: Hour 1 - Broadcast Partners
Date: December 28, 2025
Hosts: Myron Medcalf & Matt Jones (with guest Herm Edwards)

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Matt Jones and Myron Medcalf kick off the Sunday after Christmas by covering NFL Week 17, memorable college bowl games, and their own recent experience as rookie radio broadcasters for the New Orleans Bowl. The show features classic sports banter, reflections on traditional New Year's celebrations, sports marketing genius (Pop-Tarts Bowl!), and an entertaining deep-dive into football strategies and Super Bowl contenders with ESPN’s Herm Edwards.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NFL Week 17 Hype & Holiday Reflections

• Setting the scene: The hosts chat about the post-Christmas, pre-New Year lull, looking forward to a packed football Sunday and the approaching end of the NFL regular season.
• Aging & Traditions: Playful conversation about New Year's Eve customs, with jokes about Dick Clark’s legacy, Ryan Seacrest’s takeover, and confusion about which celebrity "Dicks" are still with us.
  • Quote:
    “For me, as long as it's New Year somewhere, it's New Year's for me.”
    — Myron Metcalf (01:40)

2. Bowl Game Brilliance & College Football Marketing

• Pop-Tarts Bowl Highlight: Both hosts gush over the Pop-Tarts Bowl's creative marketing—Pop-Tart mascot, edible “trophy,” and hilarious coach moments.
  • Quote:
    “The Pop Tarts bowl has done that better than anybody else.”
    — Myron Metcalf (04:15)
  • Timestamps:
    • [03:50] Discussion of the Pop-Tarts Bowl spectacle
    • [04:43] BYU coach inhaling Pop-Tarts; mini Pop-Tarts as confetti
• Communal Beans Bowl: Recap of the “Boca Raton Bowl of Beans,” where players ate from a communal bowl, which the hosts found a bit gross.
  • Quote:
    “Somebody gonna leave there with something. ...Somebody's making some appointments next week.”
    — Myron Metcalf (05:49)

3. NFL Breakdown: Ravens, Derrick Henry, AFC North

• Derrick Henry’s Historic Night:
  Disbelief at Henry’s longevity and dominance; comparisons to NFL greats.
  • Quote:
    “He's the most Dominant force this league has ever seen at that position.”
    — Myron Metcalf (06:47)
• Ravens’ Playoff Woes & Harbaugh's Future:
  Critique of the Ravens needing help to get into the playoffs, debate about coach John Harbaugh, and QB Lamar Jackson’s inconsistencies.
  Discussion gets personal and teasing about Myron’s supposed anti-Harbaugh bias.
  • Quote:
    “This is one of the weaker AFC Norths... the future of John Harbaugh, if he's not back, it'll be because of situation.”
    — Myron Metcalf (09:26)

4. Behind the Scenes: Calling the New Orleans Bowl

• First-time Broadcast Nerves: Matt recounts his anxiety and appreciation for Myron’s motivational support, which he jokingly likened to a hybrid of Tony Robbins, Joel Osteen, and MLK.
  • Quote:
    “My motivational style is like a mix between, like, Tony Robbins, Joel Osteen, and Martin Luther King Jr.”
    — Myron Metcalf (14:42)
• Booth Attire & Rookie Lessons:
  Matt nearly wore a suit, but Myron showed up in jeans and a casual polo—lesson learned: radio is more relaxed than TV. Both discovered the challenges of seeing the field and calling “empty” air when games run long.
  • Quote:
    “The media room in the Superdome is actually in Baton Rouge.”
    — Matt Myron (19:53)
• Shout-outs:
  Thanks to ESPN colleagues for support during their debut.

5. Herm Edwards Joins: Running Backs, Coaching & Defense vs. Offense

• Derrick Henry Comparisons:
  Herm places Henry in company with Riggins, Campbell, and Jim Brown—crediting his rare power and durability.
  • Quote:
    “He delivers the blow... He makes defensive players check their self and figure out, do I really want to do this?”
    — Herm Edwards (25:15)
• Debate: Does Defense Still Win Championships?
  Myron claims defense never truly wins championships in the modern era; Herm pushes back, citing the Bucs, Steelers, and Eagles as teams where defense played a pivotal role.
  • Quote:
    “Defense matters so much for that team, but they have no chance of advancing the playoffs unless Bo Nix is great.”
    — Myron Metcalf (34:25)
  • [29:25] – Start of defense/offense debate
• Quarterback Trust Factor:
  Breakdown of which current QBs can be trusted to win in the playoffs—tough sledding this year with so many injuries.
  • Quote:
    “If you got a defense that can hold people to 17 points, you know how many games you're actually going to be involved in to win.”
    — Herm Edwards (30:58)
• Matt’s Bears, Coaches Taking Their Shirts Off & Super Bowl Picks:
  Lighthearted takes on bizarre post-game celebrations. Herm is not a fan. Matt asserts only the Rams can win the NFC; Myron lists four potential NFC champs.

6. Sports Banter & Nostalgia

• Media Subscription Memories:
  Matt and Myron recall the Columbia House CD club days—relatable nostalgia for listeners of a certain age.
  • [39:38] Steely Dan, Columbia House chatter
• Classic Host Bet:
  Matt attempts to bet Myron on his Super Bowl picks, playfully calling him a "wimp" for wanting too many teams.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• New Year’s Perspective:
  “As long as it's New Year somewhere, it's New Year's for me.”
  — Myron Metcalf [01:40]

• Pop-Tarts Bowl Genius:
  “The Pop Tarts bowl has done that better than anybody else.”
  — Myron Metcalf [04:15]

• Derrick Henry Praise:
  “He's the most Dominant force this league has ever seen at that position.”
  — Myron Metcalf [06:47]

• Calling Games to Empty Air:
  “It would be like giving the State of the Union address, but to two people”
  — Matt Myron [18:57]

• Motivational Mashup:
  “My motivational style is like a mix between, like, Tony Robbins, Joel Osteen, and Martin Luther King Jr.”
  — Myron Metcalf [14:42]

• Re: Super Bowl Defense:
  “Defense never won a championship in the history of sports.”
  — Myron Metcalf [29:25]

• On Eating 'Broadcast Room Candy':
  “It's called Super Cocoa. I've never seen a candy like this in my life... I'm not Super Coco.”
  — Herm Edwards [27:23]

• Matt on Taking Gutsy Picks:
  “I think it's pretty gutsy to take the four and the five in one division and the five in the other and get two of them.”
  — Matt Myron [44:42]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:00] Show opens, NFL Week 17 preview, New Year’s traditions banter
• [03:50] Pop-Tarts Bowl creative branding and highlights
• [05:17] Boca Raton Bowl of Beans recap
• [06:47] Derrick Henry’s record-breaking game analysis
• [09:26] Ravens playoff struggles, John Harbaugh debate
• [13:50] Matt and Myron’s New Orleans Bowl broadcasting adventure
• [18:57] Calling a game off-air—awkwardness explained
• [24:33] Herm Edwards joins: complimenting the hosts, football analysis
• [25:15] Derrick Henry compared to NFL legends
• [29:25] Does defense win today’s NFL championships? Spirited debate
• [39:38] Musical nostalgia: Steely Dan and Columbia House CDs
• [41:05] Realistic look at Super Bowl contenders; Matt and Myron’s bet

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Episode Tone & Style

The show is energetic, fast-moving, full of playful ribbing, sharp sports insight, and friendly debate. Matt plays the enthusiastic, sometimes self-deprecating fan, while Myron blends the roles of analyst and motivator. Herm Edwards adds gravitas—plus comic relief with his on-air snacking and old-school wisdom. The tone is light, unfiltered, and engaging for a weekend sports crowd.

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Recommended For:

• NFL and college football fans seeking both laughs and smart analysis
• Sports media enthusiasts interested in broadcasting backstories
• Listeners nostalgic for 1980s and 1990s pop culture moments

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This summary captures the essential energy, analysis, and memorable exchanges from “Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron: Hour 1 – Broadcast Partners.” Perfect for anyone who missed the episode or wants the best moments at a glance!

Transcript

[Myron Metcalf]

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[Myron Metcalf]

This is Matt and Myron, the podcast.

[Matt Myron]

This is Chumbawamba. That's a good. Yeah, that's a good hello from Myron Metcalf. Here it is, Matt Myron on ESPN Radio, ESPN app Sirius XM Channel 80, presented by Progressive Insurance. Sunday morning after Christmas between New Year, when hopefully you have a job where you don't have to do anything, that's the best time to do it. But we are up to get you ready for another day. Week 17 of the NFL Dolphins at Bucks. Coverage begins at noon Eastern on some stations. The game's at 1 o'. Clock, Myron. It's a big weekend of football. I spent part of my pre Christmas with you. Good to see you. And are you ready? Just two more weeks left of the regular season.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I mean, I can't believe how fast it went, right? It felt like it was just Thanksgiving and now here we are about to welcome 2026 last couple weeks of the season. So I'm excited, man. This is a fun season.

[Matt Myron]

Do you do anything for New Year's? Are you one of these people who watches the ball drop or goes out and puts on a tux and dances to Aul Aang Zion?

[Myron Metcalf]

No, no, not in my younger years, you know, and I maybe go to the club or something. Not now.

[Matt Myron]

Oh, you go to the club? Wow. Years and years and years ago.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, no, no. I like to be in, you know, maybe watch the ball drop. But I don't have to stay up. For me, as long as it's New Year somewhere, it's New Year's for me.

[Matt Myron]

So who still does those ball drops? Like. Like Dick Clark.

[Myron Metcalf]

Dick Clark does it, right? Oh, he's gone. We lost Dick.

[Matt Myron]

I don't lose Dick. Okay.

[Producer/Caller]

Yeah, he's no longer with us.

[Myron Metcalf]

We lost one of those people.

[Matt Myron]

By the way, he rest in peace.

[Myron Metcalf]

Dick.

[Matt Myron]

He might have died 25 years ago. Or could.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know.

[Matt Myron]

And I'm still not sure either way. Like those people. Like, when did we lose Dick Clark?

[Myron Metcalf]

What year was that? It could have been. It must have been recent.

[Matt Myron]

Like it was during COVID Maybe, but I don't know, I.

[Producer/Caller]

2012.

[Matt Myron]

2012. I feel like I watched him last year.

[Myron Metcalf]

We lost he said 2012. Sorry. Hey, man, rest in peace.

[Matt Myron]

Rest in peace. Covid was extended. It went back to 2012. I'll tell you another one. I was shocked to find out a couple weeks ago that Dick Van Dyke was alive. Dick Van Dyke's alive.

[Myron Metcalf]

Dick Van Dyke is in.

[Matt Myron]

He just turned 100 years old. That's an amazing one to me. I. And so salute to Dick Van Dyke. He has a new book or something. He turned 100 years old.

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[Myron Metcalf]

I didn't. I mean, I didn't understand that he was still. You just never know with. With some celebrities, like, if they're still with us or they're not. And it's good to know Dick Van Dyke is with us. But rest in peace to Dick Clark.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah.

[Producer/Caller]

In your defense of Dick Clark, they still do call it like Dick Clark New Year's Eve.

[Matt Myron]

Okay.

[Myron Metcalf]

So that's the confusion with Ryan. That's the confusion, yeah.

[Matt Myron]

So you got a Ryan Seacrest one. Who else? Andrew Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen. They still get drunk and it on New Year's.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, they can't. No, they didn't do it. They can't do it anymore.

[Matt Myron]

They did last year, though. I think they got banned for a few years from drinking.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay.

[Matt Myron]

And then I think last year they let them go back because people stopped watching when they drank. When they didn't drink. So, anyway, those are. That's probably what you and I both will be doing on New Year's or watching bowl games. There were a lot of bowl games yesterday. You enjoy seeing the Pop Tarts bowl, where they put it in the toaster and then came out the other side.

[Myron Metcalf]

Honestly, one of the more like, genius things we've ever seen, like, if anybody wants to know what a bowl game should be.

[Matt Myron]

Yes.

[Myron Metcalf]

Outside of the playoff, in this era, because a lot of people are trying to figure out, like, how do you make these bowl games relevant? You do that?

[Matt Myron]

Yes.

[Myron Metcalf]

Like, to me, if you have a bowl game that's not a part of the playoff, you need a smart marketing team to show you how to turn it into its own event. The Pop Tarts bowl has done that better than anybody else.

[Rich Eisen]

Yeah.

[Matt Myron]

I mean, they have. Like, when they announce, when they put the announcers on the screen, it was like the two ESPN guys and the. In the. The instant replay review was a Pop Tart. That was fun.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes.

[Matt Myron]

You know, they had Roddy White. He had. Instead of the little handkerchief, he had a Pop Tart in his pocket. I thought that was funny. Those are the kind of things you need to do. And Pop Tarts are not something I think about a lot. And during the Pop Tarts bowl, I think, you know what? It would be nice to have a Pop Tart.

[Myron Metcalf]

Did you see the BYU coach inhale a Pop Tart?

[Matt Myron]

I did. I like that they poured little. I didn't know they made little Pop Tarts that actually I might buy those because that's. Did you see the little mini ones they poured over his head?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. I mean it was, it was genius. Like again, how they approached the whole thing. Like I don't know that the average person could name any of the non major bowls. Right. But I think most Americans probably know about the Pop Tart just because of what they've been able to do with it.

[Matt Myron]

One more real quick. The Louisville Toledo game the other day was called. I think this is important. It was called the Boca Raton bowl of Beans. It was not called the Boca Raton Beans Bowl. It was called the Boca Raton bowl of Beans. And when it was over, I don't know if you saw this. I have to say I thought this was kind of gross. All the players took spoons and ate out of the same communal bowl of beans. What did you think of that?

[Myron Metcalf]

Somebody going to leave there with something. That's what I thought. There's a bug coming. You know, I don't, I don't know what the urgent care situation is there, but somebody's making some appointments next week.

[Matt Myron]

Because yeah, there is.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know what you want to be sharing with beans of all things, is not a great idea.

[Matt Myron]

I do like the clever thing though about calling it the bowl of beans instead of the beans bowl. I thought that was smart. So let's keep this up. Bowl season in years to come. Now last night, the Ravens end up beating the Packers. Derek Henry was a beast. He had over 200 yards. He broke the NFL record for eight games in his career. Over 200 yards included a 25 yard touchdown run towards the end that put it away. John Harbaugh said afterwards that his performance was the best he had ever seen. First of all, Derek Henry. Are you shocked that at this age he is still as good as he is?

[Myron Metcalf]

Everyone should be shocked. I mean, cause it's not even just that he's this good. It's that a dude that size, his body's supposed to break down like at some point in the NFL. You're not supposed to be able to play at that age, at that position, at that size. And yet here he is. I think he's the most Dominant force this league has ever seen at that position. I'm not gonna call him the best running back ever seen. Yeah, I wouldn't dis. You know, I wouldn't disrespect your Barry Sanders. I thought Emma Smith got a lot of help from the Cowboys, but you know, Walter Payton, guys like that. But in terms of just dominant running back, he's in that Jim Brown category for me. Just sort of a force of nature.

[Matt Myron]

Barreling through the center. That's what you mean. I mean, he does. I'm amazed that he is still able to get little bursts of speed where he'll beat guys in the secondary. That amazes me at his size. I saw a clip of him coming out in the draft and Colin Cowherd said I would never draft Derek Henry, which made me really laugh. He said it definitively and now he is obviously is going to have a. Has a Hall of Fame career. But that win last night to go on the road, get that sets up if the Steelers somehow lose today to the Browns, sets up the possibility of a winner gets in game next week for the NFC North.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes. But I mean, still a long way to go because Cleveland has to win somehow. It still feels a little bit like too little, too late. Like the Ravens shouldn't even be in this position. I think that's what I was thinking. As good as it was.

[Matt Myron]

Snoop Huntley, I'm getting, getting that win on the road last night and granted, Jordan Love was not playing for the. But getting that win on the road with Snoop, I think is. I think that's a good. I mean, a really good sign for the Ravens. I mean, let's put it like this. Would you pick against the Ravens next week if they got a chance against the Steelers at home?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes, because I don't know if Lamar Jackson is going to be healthy. I don't think this Ravens team is very good. I think what, what, what we saw last night from Derrick Henry was one of those epic Derrick Henry performances. But I mean, Malik Willis was still putting them in a position to win and the packers lost like five players during that game. I think it's embarrassing that the Ravens are even in this position when they have the talent that they have. And I think that's what you have to think about when it comes to John harbor in his future. Why are you in a position where you need the Browns to beat the Steelers in order to have a chance to get into the playoffs?

[Matt Myron]

Lamar's been out a lot of the year on and off. Now, he did play poorly for stretches at the beginning. But he's been, I mean, I don't know how many games he's missed, but he's missed at least half the season. Isn't that partially the explanation?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, let's call, you know, Kyle Shanahan and talk to him about that as well. I mean, other teams have been in that same position. My thing with this, Matt, is this is one of the weaker AFC Norths. I think we've seen a long time. Burrow was hurt most of the year. Cincinnati was out of it. Cleveland had three different quarterbacks that they've gone through. So you essentially had the Ravens and the Steelers, who haven't looked great all year. They've been kind of up and down, played well lately. So I just think the future of John Harbaugh, if he's not back, it'll be because of situation.

[Matt Myron]

You've never liked John Harbaugh. Let's just be like, you don't like anything Harbaugh. That's just your thing.

[Myron Metcalf]

You haven't.

[Matt Myron]

You are anti all Harbaughs. You don't even like the father who coached at Western Kentucky. This is how you've always been. You've just been anti Harbaugh. And you just need to admit.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, no, there was a call. I mean, I have nothing against it, but it sounds like there are issues. I don't know if you believe there was a columnist who wrote about Lamar, maybe some issues. John harbor said it's all nonsense. There are no issues. But I'll tell you this. When things like that leak, Matt, you know my theory. That doesn't happen to good teams.

[Matt Myron]

No, I agree with that. But I don't know how you can blame John Harbaugh for Lamar Jackson going to sleep in meetings.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know.

[Matt Myron]

I like what?

[Myron Metcalf]

What?

[Matt Myron]

You know, there comes a point. You can't blame him for everything.

[Myron Metcalf]

Now, Myron, they're coddling him. I mean, that is on John Harbor.

[Matt Myron]

Myron said one move made this week was not the home run everybody thought. Plus, Myron and I made a debut calling a football game in New Orleans, the prestigious New Orleans Bowl. We'll talk about all that happened and a little new head coach in college football. That's next. Counting down to kickoff on ESPN Radio.

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[Herm Edwards]

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[Myron Metcalf]

Matt and Myron.

[Matt Myron]

The podcast definitely into the chimichangas in Bowling Green. That's what Bowling Green, Kentucky is known for is their chimichangas. It's Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio. You can be a part of Matt Meyer Nation on the Matt and Meyer Nation on the Dr. Pepper calling line. 888-CSPN. That's 888-729-3776. ESPN nations presented by Dr. Pepper. It's not college football season without the delicious taste of an Ice cold Dr. Pepper. College football. It's a Pepper thing. I had a Dr. Pepper in New Orleans. As you heard. Byron and I called our first ever football game for espn. We did the New Orleans bowl between Western Kentucky Southern Ms. Myron I had a wonderful time, even though I had quite a few nerves because, I mean, if we're going to be honest, I'd never called a football game ever. And my debut was on ESPN Radio nationally and it was, it was quite a, quite a thing.

[Myron Metcalf]

It was fun. Yeah. I mean, you know, I figured as Long as we got you into the booth, we'd be okay. You know, once you were there, I knew. You nervous?

[Matt Myron]

Did you look like I wouldn't get in?

[Myron Metcalf]

I was, you know, I was sure. But I was like, all right, let's.

[Matt Myron]

Let's just.

[Myron Metcalf]

Let's hope he's down here in the lobby, and then we'll.

[Matt Myron]

You were talking to me like you've never talked to me before. Like, you were talking to me like a big brother. In the 24 hours leading it up to, you were like, matt, you're gonna be. You're gonna do this. This is the kind of thing. There was a lot of hand clapping. This is the kind of thing that you can do. You were put here to do this, and, like, it was almost. You were. You were being so uplifting that it almost became like a downer, because I was worried that. I was like. I was worried I was showing nervousness.

[Myron Metcalf]

Listen, my. My motivational style is like a mix between, like, Tony Robbins, Joel Osteen, and Martin Luther King Jr. Like, that's kind of like my combination.

[Matt Myron]

That's quite a group you just gave yourself.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's kind of like my. Did you just.

[Matt Myron]

Wait a minute. Excuse me, Mr. President. Did you just explain. Did you just compare yourself to Martin Luther King?

[Myron Metcalf]

No, no, no. I'm saying my motivational style. My.

[Matt Myron]

My.

[Myron Metcalf]

My delivery, I would say, is. Is a little bit like that.

[Matt Myron]

Hang on just a second. In what way?

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm not the King delivery.

[Matt Myron]

What way is your delivery like Martin Luther King?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, just the positivity and just the directness and how I just pronounce when I'm speaking, you know, that kind of thing when I get motivational. But I'm not comparing myself to the King. My point was I was trying to find the right lane because at some point I was like, all right, he needs me to give him a little pick me up, so I'm gonna do that. And then we got to the pre show meeting in New Orleans with this producer who produced us, who I don't know what he was thinking when he saw us, but was sitting at a donut shop in New Orleans, and I'm doing my motivational thing, and I'm saying, matt, you're going to be great. It's going to be a great day. Everybody's going to have fun. And Matt says, what the hell are you talking about?

[Matt Myron]

You were just too positive. Now, Evan, our producer. Evan, come up here a second. I need you. I want to tell you what I.

[Myron Metcalf]

Want to give you.

[Matt Myron]

All right? So I, having never been in a radio booth, Evan, I didn't know what to wear. Okay? Because on television, the announcers. Evan, don't they all wear suits? Right?

[Herm Edwards]

Correct.

[Matt Myron]

So I was thinking, should I wear a suit? I packed a suit to New Orleans, thinking, even though it's on the radio, I want to be professional. I'm going to wear a suit. Then right before it came time to go dress, I saw Ian Fitzsimmons from Amber and Ian, seven o', clock, Sunny, ESPN radio. He was doing the TV broadcast. And I said in, do I need to wear a suit? And he goes, nah, man, you don't need to wear that. Just wear, like, nice jeans and a nice shirt. I was like, perfect. So I put on my jeans, put on my, you know, quarter zip. Peyton Manning. Eli Manning, pull over. Walk downstairs. As I walk downstairs, Myron comes from downstairs. He's wearing like a ripped T shirt, sweatpants. Wearing a ripped and short.

[Myron Metcalf]

I had shown up in that booth.

[Matt Myron]

If I was in that booth with a suit while my man looked like he was about to go play basketball at the ymca, do you know how stupid I would have felt?

[Myron Metcalf]

Listen, let me tell you something. Those jeans were not sweatpants, I assure you. And the polo I was wearing was not either. But I did think we had to be relaxed. I wasn't thinking you had to wear a suit. I felt like we had to be comfortable. And to me, what you wear is a big part of being comfortable. And then for me, I was just like, just get us to kickoff. The worst thing, I think, was when we didn't start right away on the air because the game behind us was.

[Matt Myron]

So I think this would be interesting.

[Producer/Caller]

You guys had a slide, so I.

[Matt Myron]

Think this would be interesting to people. Because a lot of people may not know this happens when you watch a game on espn. If there's a game on before and it goes long, okay, it goes long. They still make you call the game, even though they know no one's listening. And the reasoning is, if a big play happens, they want to have the call of the play to use later. So Louisville and Toledo are playing. They go long. At the end of that game, there's a fight, there's an injury. So we don't come in until six or seven minutes into the to the first quarter. However, we had to call the game. No one was. When no one was listening, Myron. I found that to be the most awkward thing in the world. It would be like giving the State of the Union address, but to two people, like, just like, speaking. They want you to speak in this powerful way, yet you're only talking to one guy. And I found that to be the most awkward thing I've ever done in my life.

[Producer/Caller]

See, I think it would be more awkward to, like, start the game when you're just sitting there. And then when the game, like when your broadcast joined, joins, like in progress. It would have been weirder to then be like, all right, here we are, third and five.

[Herm Edwards]

And you're.

[Producer/Caller]

That's the first one.

[Matt Myron]

All these notes. Like, I'd written all these anecdotes and I didn't know if I should say them because nobody had. It was here was listening to it. And Myron. I just found that to be a very, very awkward period of time.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, no, it was. It was a lot of stuff you could only learn on the. While doing it. Yeah, I mean, I was thinking there was a lot of stuff that, like you. They could have told us everything. It wouldn't have made any sense until we actually did it. I think one of the most difficult things was actually being able to see the field. I didn't understand how hard it was.

[Matt Myron]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

From that booth to actually see the players. And thankfully we had a great spotter because without him, I don't know how you would even see who was doing what, because we were so far.

[Matt Myron]

A lot of people don't realize the media room in the Superdome is actually in Baton Rouge. Okay. That's how far away you are from the field. Like, you can't. You cannot see. You are up. It's like the Apollo missions. Trying to look down upon the field. You cannot see it. With that said, I had a wonderful time. Two things I'll just note for that I now have respect for with play by play. First of all, you have to learn these teams really well. I'll be saying the name Brad Braylon Braxton and Maverick MacGyver in my head for the next. I'll never forget those two young men names because I've said them so much. And secondly, people don't realize when you're calling a game, at least I didn't, how chaotic it is with all the plays going fast and commercials and all that. So when I now have more respect for people who do play by play for a living, especially people who do kind of more obscure teams than. Than I'll ever have had before.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's a hard job you do well with. I mean, the. The injuries. There's just a lot happening and there's no break. I mean, I think that's people may not realize either. Like, once we're back, there is no break. You have to call every single thing that happens on the field. So it was intense.

[Matt Myron]

I used to be one of these people who'd be like, that person doesn't know what they're doing. Like, what are they doing? Now I get yes. And I also want to give a shout out. ESPN TV announcer Courtney Lyle. And is it Rennie? Is that how you say it? Rennie? What's his name?

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know.

[Matt Myron]

How do you say his last name? Rennie? Whatever he is, they're like the two nicest people in Indian Fitzsimmons. Thank you to them and thank you to all of you that listened. We had a great crowd. Herm Edwards is going to join us, one of our favorites next here on Matt Myron.

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[Myron Metcalf]

Matt and Myron the Podcast it is.

[Matt Myron]

Matt myron here on ESPN radio counting you down to kickoff football Sunday on ESPN radio. Dolphins at Bucks, 1 o' clock Eastern. Remember, the Bucks need to win to set up the game next week where they would play the Panthers. Winner take all. I would think they'd make that game on Sunday Night Football. If that ends up being a winner take all to go to the playoffs, we will see. Okay, I don't know what's happening there. Sunderland, by the way, Myron is tied with Leeds one to one in your Premier League action. I'm sure you were following that.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I'm going for Sunderlands and that are you.

[Matt Myron]

Well at the Stadium of Light always been one of your favorite places. Herm Edwards is in studio. Herm is ESPN NFL analyst and one of our favorite people. Herm, we called our first football game the other night, had a lot of fun and now glad to be with.

[Herm Edwards]

You and listening to me. You guys did a great job, man. I listened to it.

[Myron Metcalf]

Oh, thanks.

[Herm Edwards]

I did. I told you guys.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I listen to it.

[Herm Edwards]

No square, square business. I did. You guys did a great job, man. It was fun listening to you.

[Matt Myron]

That's very nice of you, Herm. That's going to be the compliment I take into the new year. Derek Henry would like a compliment from you after that performance last night. Myron says he thinks he's one of the most powerful running backs of all time. Do you agree with that?

[Herm Edwards]

I would put him in that category with John Riggins back in the day. Obviously Earl Campbell, because he has power, speed and he delivers the blow. He doesn't absorb it, he delivers it and he makes you. Especially this time of the year when you're not going to the playoffs and you're a little bit beat up. He makes defensive players check their self and figure out, do I really want to do this?

[Matt Myron]

Well, they're not out yet. If the Steelers lose today, they're playing for the division.

[Herm Edwards]

No, no, I'm saying the defenders that have to try to tackle.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Matt Myron]

Okay, gotcha.

[Herm Edwards]

He makes the defenders say, you know what? I want to go to the off season. I don't want to be in the training room. I'm making a business decision.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay, Coach, I'll take. I mean, I'll take it a step further. He's Jim Brown to me. In this generation. Like, to me, I think that's kind of.

[Herm Edwards]

That's really. Now when you say Jim Brown, though.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think he's Jim Brown. I think he's.

[Herm Edwards]

There's only one Jim Brown now.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think he's a modern Jim Brown. Jim Brown, to me, is the greatest athlete in the history of sports. All American lacrosse player, great basketball player, and one of the great NFL players.

[Matt Myron]

But wait a minute.

[Herm Edwards]

I'll second you on this. I'll agree in a second.

[Matt Myron]

What are you eating, Herm?

[Herm Edwards]

I'm reading something bad.

[Matt Myron]

I can hear you chilling.

[Rich Eisen]

What are you eating?

[Herm Edwards]

I will say this. Don't forget about this guy. He wasn't our era. We never saw him. We watch movies. Jim Thorpe.

[Matt Myron]

Yes, I've seen them. Thorpe is a great call. Can I go back?

[Myron Metcalf]

What are you eating?

[Matt Myron]

I'm eating.

[Herm Edwards]

I'm eating a piece of candy. That's no good.

[Matt Myron]

Well, okay.

[Herm Edwards]

It was left. It was left on the table. It was left on the table. Excuse me. And I should. And I should have known when it was left on the table. Something is suspect.

[Matt Myron]

Do you just walk into rooms and if there's candy sitting on the table.

[Myron Metcalf]

You just grab it?

[Herm Edwards]

No. Yeah, it's sitting there. Anybody got the name on it? There's a reason sitting on the table. It's like, have some. They were trying to give this away because they didn't want it to say.

[Matt Myron]

Was it at least wrapped up or wrapped up? I never heard candy.

[Herm Edwards]

I knew it was bad. When I'm looking at it, if you're.

[Matt Myron]

Eating freestanding candy, you find out there, I want to make sure everything's going all right.

[Herm Edwards]

It's called Super Cocoa. I've never seen a candy like this in my life. And I tell you what, they need to keep it because I'm not Super Coco.

[Matt Myron]

I don't know if I do that when we go on Good Morning America. Now let me ask you about my Bears. All right. My Bears play the 49ers today, 11 and 4 versus 11 and 4. They've got a chance for a 1 seed. They've already won the division because the packers lost last night. But now they're basically playing for seating. Win here and then hope The Seahawks drop a game. Do you think they have a chance tonight on the road against San Francisco?

[Herm Edwards]

They have a chance. There's no doubt. But this is a big test for them. If you're, if you're a coach, you're telling them this is. We're in the playoffs right now because you're already getting them ready for this is what it's going to feel like. This is an accomplished football team. The 49ers been to numerous playoffs. They're trying to win out, which is unbelievable compared to how they started. I mean, you know, start.

[Matt Myron]

Oh, and two and were hurt and.

[Herm Edwards]

They were beat up.

[Matt Myron]

Yes.

[Herm Edwards]

They're playing with a lot of beat up players. They were missing players. And Coach Shanahan has done a marvelous job of coaching this football team. You know, he's going to be in one of those. He'll be one of the coaches that will be a candidate for coach of the year along with obviously the Bears head coach. There's numerous coaches. There's about four or five of them. Patriots. I mean, we know who they are.

[Matt Myron]

But what do you think about these coaches when the game's over, like my guy, Ben Johnson, who in the post game, take their shirts off. Do you like that? Did you ever want to do that? That's a lot.

[Herm Edwards]

Oh, take your shirt. Why you do that? Well, they're like, I have no idea why. I mean, first of all, you know. Yeah, okay, I get you. He's all excited, but man, you don't take your shirt off, man.

[Myron Metcalf]

Come on.

[Herm Edwards]

Really?

[Matt Myron]

That's a lot.

[Herm Edwards]

What was that about?

[Kevin Clark]

Why would.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's too much.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah.

[Matt Myron]

Why are you doing?

[Herm Edwards]

Why are you taking this?

[Matt Myron]

It gets people excited. They're like, he's too.

[Herm Edwards]

Why? Because he's the Bears or something. Growl in, man. You don't take a shirt off. Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's too much, Coach. So my theory, and I know coach disagree with this. My theory is that defense has actually never won a championship in the history of sports.

[Rich Eisen]

Right.

[Myron Metcalf]

So the idea of defense and winning championship, I think is false. Right.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay.

[Myron Metcalf]

At the same time, I see a Texans defense that I feel like is a Super bowl defense. Like, I think they're that good. But I don't know if I can trust CJ Stroud. How dangerous do you think the Texans are with that defense?

[Herm Edwards]

Well, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers want to. Want to deal with defense.

[Matt Myron]

It's true, Brad.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I mean, but you still had to score points.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, yeah, but I'm saying your defense. Here's what defense does, especially now Defense travels in a running game. Travels. It doesn't matter what the conditions are. When you go outside, those two things just, they solve a lot of problems for you. They also solve this problem for a quarterback, a young quarterback. If you get 12 or 14 possessions in a game, you might go three or four possessions where you're three and out and punt. That's okay. Cause your defense is never gonna allow the score to get away from you. It's always gonna be like a one score kind of game. Cause the defense just let you hang around while your offense is sputting around and going three and out. And you intercept, you throw, intercept, you do something silly. The defense keeps you in the game, so it doesn't allow you to score. And this game is about scoring. So when you have a defense like some of these defense that are not allowing 20 points or less, that's pretty good. In the NFL, if you got a defense that can hold people to 17 points, you know how many games you're actually going to be involved in to win.

[Myron Metcalf]

You can't win a Super bowl like that though, coach.

[Matt Myron]

I mean, you can, I mean, you can make a strong argument. 85.

[Herm Edwards]

How about the Pittsburgh Steelers?

[Matt Myron]

Tampa. But a lot of times last year, even Philadelphia.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think you're talking about teams in a past era where defense, I think, was maybe able to be kind of the anchor of a team. I think it's harder with how good these quarterbacks are. I think they have a great defense.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay, did the Eagles win a Super Bowl?

[Myron Metcalf]

They did, but.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay, well, how'd they win it?

[Myron Metcalf]

Jalen Hurst was the mvp.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay, but, but, but running quarterback for the most part. And they had an outstanding defense.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm not knocking defense. It just doesn't win championships.

[Herm Edwards]

They come together. Okay, I tell you what, when we get off the air, I want you to look at all the teams that are in the playoffs.

[Matt Myron]

Yeah, okay.

[Herm Edwards]

And just ask yourself how many of them have been. Are some of these teams riding on the coattails of the defense? You have to score points. I agree 1000%. The quarterback is the guy. I get it. But if you ain't got that guy, then what? Then what do you do?

[Matt Myron]

Well, let me ask you, let's see.

[Myron Metcalf]

You can't win a Super bowl in this area without that guy. I think in this era, let's assume.

[Matt Myron]

The quarterback is the one that wins it for you. All right, so. So when we get to the playoffs, we know Josh Allen is good enough to be that guy. Yes, when you look. All right, but the other Guys that we would say that about, you know, your Patrick Mahomes, your Joe Burrows, your Lamar Jackson. They're all out.

[Herm Edwards]

Yes.

[Matt Myron]

So if I assume that Josh Allen's there, and I'm going to go ahead and assume Matthew Stafford is there, the other quarterbacks that are going to go to the playoffs, is there anyone besides Josh Allen and Matthew Stafford that you trust to go win you a Super Bowl?

[Herm Edwards]

I don't know if it's. Look, I'm a Josh Allen fan. I love the guy. He's my favorite player. But the problem I have with the Buffalo Bills is when they get in playoff competitions. Couple things. When they break the huddle, who scares you on offense, who scares you?

[Myron Metcalf]

James Cook.

[Matt Myron]

Josh Allen and James Cook.

[Herm Edwards]

That's it. Their best receivers is a free agent. Done a marvelous job.

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[Herm Edwards]

On defense. On defense. If you turn around and run the ball, you make five yards every time. They can't stop the run. Can't guys, they just. They can't. They can put.

[Matt Myron]

So you're saying you guys in the row trust Josh Allen?

[Herm Edwards]

I trust Josh Allen, but I don't know if Josh Allen. People don't realize how good Josh Allen really is.

[Matt Myron]

But what I'm saying is, before the season, Herm, I said it was going to be a Bills, Rams, super bowl, okay? I feel more confident about that now because I look at all these other quarterbacks and I don't see any of them winning the super bowl except Josh Allen or Matthew Stafford.

[Herm Edwards]

I hope he does. I hope he does. But can he get through the gauntlet of teams he's going to have to play in the playoffs with that defense?

[Myron Metcalf]

Why does anyone care about the Broncos, coach? I mean, I feel like we never had a potential number one seed that has been less talked, less discussed than this Broncos team.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, you know, why? What do they play? No, why, what do they play?

[Matt Myron]

What do they play?

[Herm Edwards]

They play defense.

[Matt Myron]

No one talking. Oh, look at that.

[Herm Edwards]

You threw Myron back in his face. They play defense. You love the Broncos. They're 13 and three. But it's all based on their defense. It ain't based on the quarterback.

[Matt Myron]

Look at the volley right back.

[Herm Edwards]

You say the quarterback.

[Matt Myron]

No, no, no.

[Myron Metcalf]

Defense. No, no defense. Defense matters so much for that team, but they have no chance of advancing the playoffs unless Bo Nix is great. Like, they have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs unless he's just play great. He just has to play great.

[Matt Myron]

Yeah, I don't think he has to play great.

[Herm Edwards]

He just play good. See, defense allows. You to play good defense allows you. Like, you know, when you guys play golf, you know, you two guys, you get on the first tee and the first thing you holler before you hit the ball, I get a mulligan. Cause you know it's going left. So you're hollering a mulligan before you even hit the ball. Cause you know it's going left.

[Matt Myron]

That's what my. I'm hit it out of bound.

[Herm Edwards]

Myron hit it out of bound. Laugh and say, man, I get another shot. So you ready? So. So now why? Because, you know, you hitting it left.

[Matt Myron]

Same thing.

[Herm Edwards]

When you have a good defense, you can have some errors and they cover up for you. They go, man, don't worry about.

[Matt Myron]

Wants to tee it up in the sand. Can you believe that stuff? He thinks he should get to tee it up in the sand when we play.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, then he needed. He need to play with a wiffle ball.

[Myron Metcalf]

I could play. I could play.

[Matt Myron]

No, you can't.

[Herm Edwards]

It's going left. My. Hey, my. I'm just telling you, it's going left. So as soon as he tees it off, just throw him the other ball because it's going left.

[Matt Myron]

I got last question her. When we were at the New Orleans bowl, we were looking at this. This running back for Southern Mass, his name was Jeffrey Pittman, had a lot of speed. And Myron said. I made a joke about Myron's running. And Myron said when he was in college, he could have run with Jeffrey Pittman, that he was fast enough to be a running back.

[Myron Metcalf]

Do you believe, coach, I was a four, four guy.

[Matt Myron]

Do you believe that? Yes or no?

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay, four, four guy.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay, let me ask.

[Myron Metcalf]

Four or five guy.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay, you're a four, four guy. You know, and that's all fun when you're in shorts, but when they start playing tackle football, all of a sudden them four, four guys, four or five guys, they became four, eight. They were like, oh, man, wait a minute, wait a minute. I see a lot of fast guys. When they put the pants on, they kind of slow down. They go, eh, I don't know about this football, man. I better run track.

[Matt Myron]

What position did you play, Myron? At Minnesota, I was a running back.

[Myron Metcalf]

I was a state champion track and field.

[Herm Edwards]

See, there you go. Now you got to school.

[Myron Metcalf]

Like, I was a better athlete than you realize, man.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay, you, you. You remember the story.

[Myron Metcalf]

I could duck a basketball.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay, I believe you're a good athlete. Okay? But here's what I tell you. You remember Ronaldo Nehemiah I do remember.

[Myron Metcalf]

Ronaldo ne Olympic champion.

[Herm Edwards]

Remember when he was up with the 49ers?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. Did not go well.

[Matt Myron]

It was with the Raiders.

[Herm Edwards]

Do you remember? He was, they, he ran a slant and I forget who hit him. They hit him. And I went and I looked and I said, he's done.

[Matt Myron]

He was done.

[Myron Metcalf]

He was.

[Herm Edwards]

It wasn't video football anymore. It wasn't flag football. He said, you know, when they hit you, it hurts. I can't run away from this.

[Matt Myron]

No. You don't think the same boat could have been a wide receiver?

[Herm Edwards]

No.

[Matt Myron]

All right.

[Herm Edwards]

No.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, but you got Bob Hayes was that Bullet Bob.

[Herm Edwards]

Now, that was my favorite. That was my favorite. Okay. I, I some do, you know, but Bob Hayes was unique.

[Matt Myron]

He was big, he was strong.

[Myron Metcalf]

He did it.

[Herm Edwards]

Oh, man, Bob Hayes was a great player. That was my favorite guy growing up.

[Matt Myron]

Tune in for football. I'll let you go eat. Thank you very much.

[Herm Edwards]

My pleasure.

[Matt Myron]

Football as the Dolphins host the Bucks, coverage begins at noon Eastern on select ESPN radio stations. By the way, I just love my man. Just sees food, knows he's on the air, just starts eating.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's how I reach that spot in life.

[Matt Myron]

That's, it's exactly right. That's how you know you're comfortable in your skin. Can you just start eating when you go on the radio? We'll tell you who the real super bowl contenders are next here in Matt Myron, counting you down to kickoff on ESPN Radio.

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[Myron Metcalf]

Matt and Myron, the podcast.

[Matt Myron]

It's Matt Myron on ESPN Radio with the easy hits. I used to listen to songs like this on my way to school. This was the music my dad would put on because it was, like, uncontroversial. Who is this? Is this like the Birds or something?

[Herm Edwards]

Steely Dan.

[Matt Myron]

Steely Dan. See, that's per. That's perfect. Steely Dan is the exact kind of music like this.

[Myron Metcalf]

These are the songs I would see when I would come in on a Saturday night. And it'd be like, for nine easy payments of 1995, you can get these seven CDs.

[Matt Myron]

Did you. Did you subscribe to. Because I certainly did. Columbia, where you got like 12 CDs for a penny. And then you were on the hook.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think they're still sending me CDs. Like, what were we doing getting 185 CDs a month?

[Matt Myron]

But it sounded like such a good deal in the moment. You're like, I get all these free CDs.

[Myron Metcalf]

They wouldn't stop sending them. And there was no way to cancel back then. Yeah. There was no website you could go to. Once you click Columbia, you were in.

[Matt Myron]

There's a certain age. I'm sure our producers don't know what we're talking about, but if you're of a certain age, mine and Myron's age, specifically, you did the Columbia House, like, in the back of the newspaper. And you. And you checked all of them. We all did that. You know, it's Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio. All right, Myron. Playoffs are going to have a weird group of teams. So let's be real. This is not like, theory. I was listening. And I'm not going to criticize the host because that's not what I do. I uplift my fellow hosts. I don't criticize them, but I am going to criticize them a little bit. They were doing all the teams that theoretically could win the super bowl, and they pick, like, every team in the playoffs. Really helpful. Now, the question is, let's be real. Who can win the Super Bowl? All right? Not how many might. Like, for real, who can win. I'll give you an example. To me, in the nfc, there's only one team that can win the Super Bowl. 1. And that's the Rams. They're the only one. The rest of the teams, I think they could get there. But for me, the only one I think can definitely win it. Are The Rams. Do you disagree?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, completely disagree with that. I mean, I don't think there's a juggernaut in either AFC or nfc. I think of the nfc.

[Matt Myron]

So who could win?

[Myron Metcalf]

Seattle, I think, can win it.

[Matt Myron]

Sam Darnold can win a Super Bowl. You of all people are telling me that Sam Darnold can win a Super Bowl?

[Myron Metcalf]

I think the best of Sam Darnold can. I mean, I want you to go.

[Matt Myron]

On record because you've been one of his biggest haters and tell me Sam Darnold can win a Super Bowl.

[Myron Metcalf]

The best of Sam. The best sand say the best of.

[Matt Myron]

Can Sam Darnold win a Super Bowl? Yes or no?

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know how to say. I have to put the qualifying. The best quality. Yes.

[Matt Myron]

Yes or no, Sam? So yes.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes. I'll put Sam Donald and the Seahawks in that pool of team.

[Matt Myron]

Okay. Can the 49ers. I don't win a Super Bowl.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes, I think the 49ers can.

[Matt Myron]

So you think Brock Purdy can win a Super Bowl?

[Myron Metcalf]

I think Brock Purdy can win. He's been to one. We forget he's already been to one.

[Matt Myron]

And the Bears win a Super Bowl?

[Myron Metcalf]

No.

[Matt Myron]

So you think Seahawks, 49ers, Rams. That's it.

[Myron Metcalf]

And Philly. I'm still obviously feeling.

[Matt Myron]

All right, so there's four. So you have four teams in the nfc, afc. Can the Bills win the Super Bowl?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes.

[Matt Myron]

Can.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes.

[Matt Myron]

All right. New England win the Super Bowl?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes, I think they can.

[Matt Myron]

I think they can. Okay, can Denver win. Can Denver win the Super Bowl?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes. I mean, the defense is very good, but I think Bonings has to play in Jacksonville.

[Matt Myron]

Win the Super.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, no.

[Matt Myron]

All right, so you're going four teams in the nfc, three teams in the afc. You think there are seven teams that can win the Super Bowl?

[Myron Metcalf]

And I'm borderline on Houston because I think the defense is Houston.

[Matt Myron]

Stop.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm borderline on Houston because the defense is that good.

[Matt Myron]

But see, do you realize how unhelpful it is if you tell me that one fourth of the teams in the NFL can win the Super Bowl? 8 out of 32.

[Myron Metcalf]

Wait a minute, though, Matt. There's no Mahomes. There's no.

[Matt Myron]

But there's no one like. And there is a Matthew Staff.

[Myron Metcalf]

He has won anything. He has won anything.

[Matt Myron]

I understand. But there are two hall of Fame quarterbacks for sure in the playoffs. And I. And I'm going to throw the Eagles in, too, because they've done it. It. I'm going to say to You. I will take your bet. You can have the other 29 teams. You give me Bill's Rams, Eagles, and then we're good. You want to make that bet? I'll give you the other.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, that's too many teams. No, you can.

[Matt Myron]

You get 29 teams.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, I know. Well, there aren't 29 teams in the playoffs.

[Matt Myron]

Okay, so you get the other 11 teams.

[Myron Metcalf]

You get real confidence picking two teams. Real confidence is two teams, I would say.

[Matt Myron]

What are you talking about? First of all, I should be able to get three. You get 11, I get three.

[Myron Metcalf]

Why do. I'm not even.

[Matt Myron]

Listen to me. I'm not even taking the one seeds, okay? I am taking literally. I want you to think about who I'm taking. I'm taking the five seat. The four seed in the nfc, the five seed in the NFC and the five seed in the afc.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes. That's what I'm preaching. I appreciate this episode of Matt Jones, Used Car Salesman where you, you, you look at the seeds instead of quality of the teams. All the teams you picked are really good teams. So you're going to be high on.

[Matt Myron]

My take the 1, the 2 and the 3, AFC and the.

[Myron Metcalf]

Not about the seedings. It's not about the seatings right now. The Rams aren't even the one seat right now. And I think they are the favorites to win in the nfc.

[Matt Myron]

So for the record, just for the record, I'm doing this with or without Meyer. I think it is pretty gutsy to take the four and the five in one in one division and the five in the other and get two of.

[Myron Metcalf]

Them won Super Bowls in the last three years. It's not as gutsy as you make it out to be.

[Matt Myron]

I think it's pretty gutsy, but I think you're a wimp because you want eight teams. You want to take eight, give me six and then go. Well, that's fair.

[Myron Metcalf]

And that's how you sell a sedan.

[Matt Myron]

I win titles with the 4 and the 5 seed. Matt Myron is presented by Progressive Insurance. The Bears have won the division. I love them, but how far can they go? That's next here. I'm Matt Myron on ESPN Radio.

[Myron Metcalf]

Matt and Myron, the podcast.

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