Hour 1: Cranky Coaches

Summary

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Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron

Episode: Hour 1: Cranky Coaches (October 12, 2025)
Hosts: Myron Medcalf & Matt Jones (with guest Herm Edwards)
Podcast Theme:
A lively, insightful discussion into the latest headlines in sports—MLB postseason surprises, the transformation of college football, NFL coaching and player drama, and the evolution of quarterback play—with sharp wit, memorable banter, and a few “cranky coach” moments dissected.

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Main Theme

This episode explores the evolving dynamics of sports culture, focusing on how teams and coaches are adapting (or failing to adapt) to massive shifts in college football and the NFL. Highlighted are stories of underdog triumphs, stubborn traditions, and the colorful personalities defining today’s games.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. MLB Postseason: Brewers’ Dream Run

• [00:35–02:40]
  • Matt opens by congratulating Myron on the Milwaukee Brewers heading to the NLCS.
  • Myron defends his faith in the Brewers as “a team of destiny,” going up against the Dodgers and “the man.”
  • Matt raises the “payroll debate”—whether a low-payroll team winning makes MLB less likely to fix baseball's financial system.

    “If you think baseball's overall financial system needs to be changed, a Dodgers win is probably more likely to have that happen... if the Brewers, the team with the 21st highest payroll, wins, then people would argue, well, maybe baseball's fine.” – Matt [02:00]

  • Both praise MLB postseason drama: 15-inning games, quirky players, and memorable personalities.

    “I love the characters. I mean, that's what I love about the postseason in baseball.” – Myron [04:04]

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2. College Football: NIL Shake-up & Power Shifts

• [04:08–10:01]
  • Big Ten surprise: Indiana upsets Oregon on the road, likely rising to #3 in the country after years of irrelevance.

    “Indiana now is going to be probably third in the country. This is a program that for 50 plus years mattered not at all...now a national championship contender.” – Matt [04:37]

  • Both credit new coach Curt Signetti for exploiting the “NIL Rev Share” era, which is disrupting legacy powers in favor of adaptable, aggressive programs.

    “Five years ago, you can't pay anybody or you're cheating... to now this Rev Share...in these major culture paradigm shifts, it leaves openings for people...” – Matt [05:41]

  • Myron and Matt discuss how resistance from programs like Clemson led to their recent struggles, while Indiana and others who embrace change are thriving.

    “Those teams that said they don't want any part of this shift...there was so much arrogance...And now they're struggling as a result.” – Myron [08:04]

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3. Cranky Coaches: James Franklin & Kirby Smart

• [08:48–12:06]
  • Matt critiques James Franklin for chronic underachievement at Penn State, noting new coach Signetti’s immediate success exceeds Franklin’s record.

    “Kurt Signetti, in one month has won more top 10 games than James Franklin has in 13 years.” – Matt [09:33]

  • Lively discussion about Georgia’s Kirby Smart “blatantly” lying to referees (“I was just clapping, not calling timeout”), and the broader frustration with coaches preaching integrity, then breaking rules.

    “These coaches...get up in press conferences and talk all the time about how God is on their side...and then they get out there on camera and just lie.” – Matt [10:30]

  • Myron calls for accountability for both coaches and SEC officiating crews.

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4. NFL: Disappointing Starts & QB Tiers

• [16:17–21:35]
  • Four “Super Bowl favorites”—Eagles, Bills, Chiefs, Ravens—are under the spotlight for underachieving records.
  • Matt and Myron sort which teams should rebound: both split on the Bills, have concerns about the Eagles’ chemistry and passing game, and discuss whether luck or coaching is catching up to the Chiefs.

    “These are the games [the Chiefs] won last year...[now] they're losing those games. They're not getting the lucky bounce at the end of the game...” – Myron [20:24]

  • Both agree Mahomes remains the playoff X-factor—despite regular season stumbles, belief in the Chiefs endures when games matter most.

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5. Guest Segment: Herm Edwards on QBs, Coaching, and Sideline Drama

• [23:37–35:57]
  • Herm Edwars names his five current “great” NFL QBs: Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, (conditional) Joe Burrow, and soon-to-be Jaden Daniels.

    “I think that eventually in another year or two, Jaden Daniels will be considered one of the better ones.” – Herm [24:39]

  • He expands on why NFL QB quality is generally up—even if “great” is reserved for rare talents. Success often comes from a fit between a QB’s skills and his offensive system.

    “Does the system fit what he can do?... Some coaches believe that their system is bigger than the player. I never believed that.” – Herm [34:32]

  • Herm shares advice for managing “distractions” like A.J. Brown: calm, private conversation over public confrontation.

    “You're not confronting him...You don't embarrass players in front of their peers.” – Herm [27:43]

  • Revisiting “cranky coach” moments, Herm sticks to his claim of sideline calm, though Myron calls out a 2005 spat with a position coach—Herm insists it was “a healthy discussion.”
  • Herm on Caleb Williams vs. Jaden Daniels (“Monday Night redemption game”), Joe Flacco’s steadying influence for the Bengals, and why system fit is a coach’s most crucial job.

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6. More NFL: Steelers, Browns, and "TV-Ready" Stories

• [38:04–43:57]
  • Matt and Myron debate the Browns’ QB choices—if Shador Sanders sees the field, it's must-see TV, but both question his readiness.

    “No one wants to see Dylan Gabriel out there...There are a lot of people...hoping Dylan Gabriel struggles and then Shadora comes in.” – Myron [38:32]

  • Steelers: Winning ugly, but poised to capitalize on a collapsing division.
  • Joe Flacco’s potential to beat the Packers at Lambeau Field twice in a season with two different teams—a quirky “movie plot” anomaly.

    “No player in the history of the NFL has beaten a team on, on their home field twice in a year with two different teams. Never happened.” – Matt [41:55]

  • Lively speculation over playoff races, QB controversies, and the value of “calm” leaders under pressure.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On MLB destiny:

  “Sometimes sports, you got to get away from the X's and O's and personnel. Sometimes there's just destiny, you know, I think they're a team of destiny.” – Myron [01:11]

• On NIL chaos:

  “And in these major culture paradigm shifts, it leaves openings for people like whoever can exploit it first can all of a sudden maybe reach a level they didn't before.” – Matt [05:41]

• On coaches’ honesty:

  “He should be fined. I'm serious. That is one of the worst...get up in press conferences and talk all the time about how God is on their side...and then they get out there on camera and just lie.” – Matt [10:30]

• Herm Edwards on sideline decorum:

  “You don't embarrass players in front of their peers. I mean, you bring them in the room and say, look, man, we're doing everything we can do to get you to football...” – Herm [27:43]

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Engaging Banter & Pop Culture Tangents

• Music nostalgia:
  Lighthearted debate over Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rage Against the Machine, and the reality of aging rock bands.

  “You can only rage for so long, and then all of a sudden you are the machine.” – Matt [15:27]

• Myron’s genre IQ:
  Matt playfully quizzes Myron on 90s bands and rap, celebrating when he correctly names Public Enemy.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:35–02:40] Brewers / Dodgers playoff context
• [04:08–10:01] Indiana’s college football breakthrough & NIL era
• [08:48–12:06] Cranky coach commentary: James Franklin & Kirby Smart
• [16:17–21:35] NFL underachievers: Eagles, Bills, Chiefs, Ravens
• [23:37–35:57] Herm Edwards on quarterbacks, locker room management, sideline drama
• [38:04–43:57] Browns QB drama, Steelers outlook, Flacco’s odd record chase

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Summary Takeaway:
This episode showcases how quickly the sports landscape can shift—in college and pro football, daring programs and coaches that embrace change are rewarded, while stubborn institutions and “cranky coaches” get left behind or exposed. With sharp commentary, humility, and a healthy dose of humor, Matt, Myron, and Herm Edwards dissect both the personalities and strategies shaping today’s game.

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Transcript

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[Matt Jones]

Matt Myron on ESPN Radio, presented by Progressive Insurance, ready to rock on an NFL Sunday morning. He's Myron Metcalf. Let's give him some credit. He's a Milwaukee brewers fan. And they are headed to the National League Championship Series. Are you excited about that, Myron?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. You sound surprised. I mean, you didn't believe. I don't think anybody really believed.

[Matt Jones]

My, my general feeling about the Milwaukee brewers is, eh. Well, whatever. I mean, so like, I, I wasn't. I didn't believe or not believe. I just was like, well, that's nice. I mean, you don't think you're going to beat the Dodgers, right?

[Myron Metcalf]

Oh, I know, I know they're going to beat the Dodgers.

[Matt Jones]

I think so.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, man. Sometimes, sometimes sports, you got to get away from the X's and O's and personnel. Sometimes there's just destiny, you know, I think they're a team of destiny.

[Matt Jones]

Why?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

What, what makes them a team of destiny?

[Myron Metcalf]

Because it's just our time, you know, as a, as a city. As a, as a. Oh, this is.

[Matt Jones]

A big bad city.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, you're going up against Goliath, you're going up against the man. That's what the Dodgers represent.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, you can argue that the Reds were going up against the man, the Phillies were going up against the man. They all lost. Why would the brewers be different?

[Myron Metcalf]

Because they're better. You know, I think that's the reality. I think they're, they're better than those teams that you just mentioned. And I just don't. I think you can't be a real sports fan and root for the Dodgers in this series. Unless you're like a Dodgers fan. Yeah. Out in la, you can't root for that.

[Matt Jones]

Can I give you the one reason you might root for the Dodgers? And we're going to have Eduardo Perez on here in a little while and I'm going to mention this to him. If you think baseball's overall financial system needs to be changed, a Dodgers win is probably more likely to have that happen. Whereas if the brewers, the team with the 21st highest payroll, wins, then people would argue, well, maybe baseball's fine. You don't need to change the pay system, you know.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, but I mean, you know, the pay system is complicated. Teams like the brewers benefit a lot too, because of revenue shared. So I don't know if baseball will ever change. Kind of the haves and the have nots, but it'd be good for the sport. I think the brewers won.

[Matt Jones]

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[Myron Metcalf]

What are we thinking about?

[Matt Jones]

I'm trying to think, but nothing happens. Nothing happens.

[Myron Metcalf]

Time to find out. This is off the top.

[Matt Jones]

Flash off the top with Matt and Myron. All right, so in addition to the championship series now being set, and by the way, how great did you stay up and watch the game Friday night between 15 innings Detroit? I watched, I watched the sixth inning on every pitch and I loved it. And I don't care about either of those team.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I think Major League Baseball's postseason is the best overall postseason in sports, honestly.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, hockey's good too. But you're right in terms of, I mean, this, this one's been awesome. I mean, they've got some big closing games and then that, that 15 inning game. You know, I love the last two innings when, you know, the Mariners bring out Castillo. I think they call him, what, El Padrilla or whatever. He, he played for the Reds. I think he's the coolest dude on earth. And then Jack Flaherty was like having convers with himself, like arguing. I thought, that man's insane. I just, it was, it was, it was very, very exciting.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I love the characters. I mean, that's what I love about the postseason in baseball.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. By the way, they're playing in London right now. Denver Broncos, New York jets. Broncos lead 10 to 6. Bo Nicks just threw a touchdown pass to Atkins. And at the end of the first quarter, it's 10 6. Let's talk a little bit about college football last night. I think probably the biggest stories where. Well, of course they're going to be in the Big Ten, in the sec. Let's start with the Big Ten. Indiana goes on the road and beats Oregon. Indiana now is going to be probably third in the country. This is a program that for 50 plus years mattered not at all. Last year they go to the playoff. This year, they're not only top five, they're now a national championship contender. And they beat Oregon on the road, which is something that just doesn't happen. How shocked are you by what Kurt Signetti's done there?

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, not shocked overall because he's put his team in a position to win games like that. But that was obviously an historic moment. I just.

[Matt Jones]

And they controlled that game. They didn't just win it, they controlled it.

[Myron Metcalf]

They were the better team, tougher team, everything you want. But I think we saw this coming in some ways because Indiana was continued to elevate. I love college football. And what has happened in the NIL Rev Share era, I don't know that Indiana could do this under the old rules. And I think when people say, oh, nil's changed everything, what they're really saying is Oregon may not be as good as Indiana in this new climate. And I think that's incredible for the game. Kirby has been an incredible coach, making a ton of money, you know, so it's not like this is a guy who's some underdog.

[Matt Jones]

They love that dude.

[Myron Metcalf]

And I think it's easy to understand why.

[Matt Jones]

I will say this. I saw someone mention this online and I think it's a really good point. We are in this era right now in college football, where the structure is changing right before our eyes right from what? So it was five years ago, you can't pay anybody or you're cheating to three or four years of NIL Wild west to now this Rev Share. We're trying to make rules. We'll see if it works. We don't know. And in these major culture paradigm shifts, it leaves openings for people like whoever can exploit it first can all of a sudden maybe reach a level they didn't before. And then at some point, Myron, people will lock in how this is done. And you might entrench a set of powers, but a team like Indiana might be able to get in those set of powers by figuring this era out first. And I think that's what you're seeing some of these programs do is that in this time where it's like we're not exactly sure how this is going to work, they have seen an opening and you have to give the Hoosiers a lot of credit.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think you. You said that. Well, I think the other thing is we're seeing the teams five years ago who said, I want no part of nil Clemson. I'm not going to adapt to these new rules. They're all getting destroyed. Whereas you have an Indiana team that said, okay, these are the new rules. We got a bunch of rich boosters. Let's figure it out. I think the other part about this, Matt, is I don't think the young athlete who's 17, 18, 19 years old, I don't think they care that that's Indiana. They want to win. They want to get paid. So these legacy brands don't have the same power anymore. I think that's what's.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I heard Kentucky basketball coach Mark Pope say. I asked him about coaching in the nil era, and he said, I think this is the most exciting time to coach because now you have to be smart to make this work.

[Myron Metcalf]

Right?

[Matt Jones]

You have to be smart. And he said, I think that's a challenge. There are coaches who have looked at this and gone, this is not how it should be. Me, me, me, me. And those people have either retired or gotten worse. And it's the ones like Signetti and Pope who've embraced. This is a challenge. Let's meet it. That's who's succeeding.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, let's be honest.

[Matt Jones]

And that was a good program of.

[Myron Metcalf]

Those coaches that was. I don't know. I don't know which coach that was.

[Matt Jones]

I'll take your word for it how this works.

[Myron Metcalf]

What kind of Night.

[Matt Jones]

Of the Lord. That's what. That's how. That's how some people say, like a.

[Myron Metcalf]

Bear Bryant assistant or something. I think so. What I think is interesting, too, is those teams that said they don't want any part of this shift. What you've also noticed, Matt, there were a bunch of arrogant teams. Like, there was so much arrogance from those teams that said, oh, we're not gonna play by these new rules. We're not gonna get involved. We're not gonna get the dirt on our program. And now they're struggling as a result.

[Matt Jones]

Well, we're Clemson. We don't have to do this in South Carolina.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay, well, are you doing a monologue? Like, did you write a script? And are you trying out lines on.

[Matt Jones]

The show from a play you wrote? How do you explain your guy, your. Your fridge Franklin, and what happened against Northwestern yesterday?

[Myron Metcalf]

Everything that you just talked about? A guy who for many years thought, I'm at Penn State There's a legacy, although that Legacy was from 30 years ago. And at Penn State, we're on the same level as the top dogs in the sport, and they weren't. But if you're going to talk like you're Ohio State and you're Michigan and these teams, we're going to judge you accordingly. I don't think this is new. James Franklin was always an underachiever in the biggest games. Why are we surprised? What you're seeing now, though, is that team is going to quit on him. And here's what you know, Matt, in this new era, how many of those Penn State players are getting text message, text messages from other staff saying, hey, you know, you happy there? What do you think about next season? There's so much happening, I bet, in that locker room, that's just making it a situation where I don't know how you move forward with James Franklin.

[Matt Jones]

Kurt Signetti, in one month has won more top 10 games than James Franklin has in 13 years.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's incredible.

[Matt Jones]

That's pretty amazing, right? That's a pretty amazing stat. And it's not like he lost two straight to good teams. He's lost to UCLA and Northwestern, arguably the two worst teams in the entire Big Ten, right?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, yeah, he lost to UCLA after they fired everybody and someone was flying a banner over the stadium saying, promoted.

[Matt Jones]

Dennis the Menace as offensive coordinator and then beat him. I do have one more thing before. Before we get out of here on this. Kirby Smart. Is he the Linus liar that ever lied? He gets out there, tries to call timeout, gets his timeout, and then without even changing his facial expression, go, no, no, I was just clapping. I was just clapping. That wasn't a timeout. I was just clapping. Stop.

[Myron Metcalf]

Have you ever seen anything like that?

[Matt Jones]

He should be fine. I'm serious. I agree. He should be fine. That is the. That is one of the worst. This. These coaches that get up, these. This drives me crazy. You give. Give me 10 seconds to rant, okay? These coaches that get up in press conferences and talk all the time about how God is on their side and they're praying and all this, and then they get out there on camera and just lie. Just completely lie, which is one of the commandments. I've read them, at least seven of them, and that is one of them. And the fact that they do that with a straight face drives me absolutely insane.

[Myron Metcalf]

And when you see it on live tv, I tell you what, I got to go beyond the fine. That SEC crew shouldn't be allowed to work Next week. Like at some point we got to reprimand officiating crews when things like that happen as well. Because that was ridiculous.

[Matt Jones]

Now, I mean, Hugh Freeze is not exactly a symbol of virtue there on the other sideline.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, it looks like it was the.

[Matt Jones]

Like, don't get me wrong, I'm not.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm not saying no medals in the integrity Olympics in that game.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, but he gets out there and he's like, no, man, I was just clapping. I was just clapping. Don't I got integrity here.

[Myron Metcalf]

Who's ever done that?

[Matt Jones]

You see this haircut? Same haircut the frat boys have on the sideline. I should not be punished.

[Myron Metcalf]

They got to do something.

[Matt Jones]

But that was Linus liar that ever lied. I used to say that about one coach, Kirby Smart. I've never seen a coach be that blatant ever.

[Myron Metcalf]

Now. Well, the fact that they believed him was the issue for me. Like that they let him mid game say that wasn't what happened. That was ridiculous.

[Matt Jones]

We will keep you updated on the Broncos and Jets 106 right now. Plus, you know, there's some teams that have underachieved here in the NFL. That's just a, that's just a fact. But who's most likely to turn it back around? Meyer. Metcalfe is going to tell you. And I might do some more Clemson impersonations. That's next here on Matt Meyer.

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Matt and Myron the podcast it is.

[Matt Jones]

Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio. Is this music supposed to be me or Myron? Because it's really neither one of us.

[Myron Metcalf]

This is, this is James, I think.

[Matt Jones]

James, what does this say?

[Myron Metcalf]

It sound like that music where they fight, where they get in a circle and they fight.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

When y' all go to those concerts.

[Matt Jones]

And they make a circle, it's called mosh.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. And you all just fight. I don't think there are many mosh pits at Red Hot Chili Pepper concerts.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, no, you're. You're thinking of like what they do at like, Rage against the Machine. Yeah, but this is it.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I went and saw Red Hot Chili a couple years ago. It's now, like, people in their 50s. Like, there's a lot of gray hair. Like, like, it's interesting to see those bands that we think of as being rebellious and now they have people who have hip replacements. Like, that's a different. That's a different kind of thing.

[Myron Metcalf]

I love those. I mean, I love Red Hot Chili Peppers. I love Rage against the Machine. I mean, those are, I mean, Those people are 90s era.

[Matt Jones]

Those people are old now.

[Myron Metcalf]

Still performing though.

[Matt Jones]

Like, I loved. I like Rage against the Machine when I was younger. Have you seen what those guys look like now?

[Myron Metcalf]

They're older now?

[Matt Jones]

Well, I mean, yeah, they're like in their 50s, you know, but I mean.

[Myron Metcalf]

That'S what happens though, right? You get older, you can only.

[Matt Jones]

You can only rage for so long, and then all of a sudden you are the machine. And like, what.

[Myron Metcalf]

The fact that they're still playing, though, the fact that they're still playing, the fact that we, we have all these 90s groups are still playing music. I don't know how many groups today are going to be around 30 years from now.

[Matt Jones]

Probably not with this new YouTube. I'll say this Rage against the Sea. When you get that song where he goes, wow, wow, wow, wow. When you do that, that's the best drop. And then he's like going in now. So I'm just saying that's it.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm gonna give it to you. Is that song. That's no, that's gonna give.

[Matt Jones]

That's Red Hot Chili.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's Red Hot Chili. Oh, that is Red Hot Chili.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. Give me rage. Let me, let me handle the White 90s band. No, no, I don't.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, no. They said I won't do what you tell me. Right? That's.

[Matt Jones]

That's. No, that was Lit Biscuit.

[Myron Metcalf]

That is rage 100. That's rage. Because they did it on BBC 100%. They did that. They said do what you tell me. That's.

[Matt Jones]

That's they say would never mind. It is a888 say ESPN. It's Matt Myron. I'm not going to sit here and explain to you all these 90s bands. Let's talk about the NFL for even though James does not have it yet on the screen, let's talk about the NFL. There are four. There are four teams that you could make an argument, have, have sort of disappointed so far this year in some form. And they're probably the four teams that were the four season super bowl favorites. Right. If you're going into it, you probably would have said, I like the Eagles, I like the Bills, I like the Chiefs and I like the Ravens. Now the Bills have only lost one game, so I don't want to go too crazy, but the Eagles have now lost back to back. Ravens are 1 and 4, Chiefs are 2 and 3. All four of those teams have had struggles to start the year. My question for you is, of those four, do you think all of them come back? None of them come back. Or if not, which of the ones do you are you not concerned about?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I mean, the Bills are probably not necessarily on the same list. I mean, you just last week, it's.

[Matt Jones]

The game, so you're not putting them on the list.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. And I think last week was more about the Patriots.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Myron Metcalf]

Kind of surging maybe early with Matt, Mike Vrabel, Drake May getting better on.

[Matt Jones]

The road in a, in a tough spot and kind of controlled the game.

[Myron Metcalf]

They did. I mean, Stefan Diggs is still an all pro elite receiver. We're seeing that Josh Allen did things he doesn't normally do. I think he had an interception and a fumble. Keon Coleman fumbled a pat. I mean, so I think that was more of a sloppy team that made some big mistakes and not a team that has some real personnel issues. The other teams you just mentioned, though, I think are in A different category. I'm probably least concerned about the Eagles because their stuff seems more like in the locker room.

[Matt Jones]

See, that's why I am concerned about. Yeah, because on paper they shouldn't have an issue. And yet they're still having issues. And again, they went to the Giants. They didn't just lose. Giants controlled that game. Right?

[Myron Metcalf]

That's true.

[Matt Jones]

The Giants controlled that game. I am worried about the Eagles because they haven't. And also they haven't had a passing game all year. Mars. All year. I mean, when you're doing four straight tush pushes, that tells me you don't really trust the other things you do.

[Myron Metcalf]

But against the Broncos, before that Thursday night game, I think Jalen Hurts had his best performance of the year. I think the problem with A.J. brown is he's now becoming the story.

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Myron Metcalf]

Like now, all of a sudden, every game it's is AJ Brown happy? And no team wants to be in that situation. And we, I mean, we saw him reading a book on the sidelines last year. Nobody cared because it was like, they're still winning. Now that stuff is starting to affect the team. And I think when you're struggling, it only makes it worse.

[Matt Jones]

Let me go. I assume you're worried about the Ravens. If not, you should be right. One and four, Lamar not playing. I think that's legitimate. What about the Chiefs? 2 and 3 should have won the game in Kansas, in Jacksonville, it's kind of a fluke loss. You know, Mahomes throws the 99 yard interception, Trevor Lawrence falls down like there's a little bit of a flukishness there. They have one more very difficult game today, but then their schedule opens up some. Are you worried about them?

[Myron Metcalf]

Wait, wait, why did you call it a fluke loss last year? They won games like this all last year. And I don't think you called it fluke wins.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I did. I said that they all year was saying they're winning these games, but those will easily flip at some point. But my point is they're up 10 nothing. They're driving to take a touchdown that I think wins the game. And then moms makes a throw that stupid that he normally doesn't make, and all of a sudden instead of 17 nothing, it's 10, 7. That's just. That's just a weird situation, but. So it sounds like. Are you. You may really be concerned about.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, yeah, I mean, because I think they're losing the games that they won last year, but they should have lost those games too. Like, this is what Kansas City has been over the last two seasons. But they still won a bunch of these thrilling games. Yeah, but they, there was some luck involved.

[Matt Jones]

That's a pretty. Yeah, but. Well they wasn't luck in the playoffs. They just won in the playoffs.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, but, but there was some luck in terms of them getting to that moment. They won a bunch of one score games. There were a bunch of games, if you go down last year's schedule that they could have, should have lost and it just didn't happen. Now they're losing those games. They're not getting the lucky bounce at the end of the game, they're not getting the lucky call at the end of the game. So now all of a sudden they're not putting up the wins they did a year ago. But I think this is what they become. A team where the margin for error is just smaller than it's been in past years with my homes.

[Matt Jones]

I don't disagree with any of that. But then when they got the playoffs last year, the games weren't close except for the Bills game and they just won. And when it was time, Mahomes made the place. So I'm kind of of the opinion that's what's going to happen again. I think this, I think this year they might go into the playoffs at 9 and 8 or 10 and 7. But when they get in those games, I'm still believing in Mahomes. I mean I would, if you made me bet right now, I would take the Bills over them in the playoffs. But beyond the Bills, there's still no team in the AFC that I have more faith in in the playoffs in a one game scenario than the Chiefs.

[Myron Metcalf]

Hard to argue against that.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. So I mean you're right. These are the games they won last year. Flipping. But just like last year, all those games being close really didn't matter in their playoff performance. I kind of think the same thing's going to be this year. It's just going to be in reverse. They're going to have lost these games but in the playoffs still be the same thing. We're going to do more NFL that's next right here. I'm Matt Myron.

[John Quinones]

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[Myron Metcalf]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Myron Metcalf]

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[Herm Edwards]

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[Myron Metcalf]

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[Herm Edwards]

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[Matt Jones]

He thinks you're a rubber chew toy.

[Herm Edwards]

Not rubber.

[Matt Jones]

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[Myron Metcalf]

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[Matt Jones]

Tell me that's not the best drop Myron. It like, that's great. Come with it.

[Myron Metcalf]

Now that's rage, right?

[Matt Jones]

Yes, that's rage. You get some. You were right, by the way, that they do have a line that says I won't do what.

[Myron Metcalf]

I know they did it on BBC and BBC cut them off. They got in trouble. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

You like. You watch a lot of BBC, Myron. I didn't know that. It's Matt Myron. Here on ESPN Radio, the British legend Myron Metcalf. I'm Matt Jones here in Kentucky. We are joined by my guy, Herm Edwards. He's already come in swinging. You know, he, he had to miss the first couple weeks. So he's like, I'm not. I'm coming in firing. And he's already here. And you just said a minute ago right off the air with me and Myron, you said there's only five great quarterbacks in the NFL right now. So who are those five?

[Herm Edwards]

Well, let's look at them. Let's say Lamar Jackson would be one.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Herm Edwards]

I would assume Patrick Mahomes would be number two. Yes. And maybe because I'm biased. I love Josh Allen.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, that's not biased. He's certainly one of the best right now.

[Herm Edwards]

I think that eventually in another year or two, Jaden Daniels will be considered one of the better ones.

[Matt Jones]

But you don't put him there now, right?

[Herm Edwards]

Not right now. Because this is.

[Matt Jones]

What about Josh? What about Joe Burrow.

[Herm Edwards]

If you.

[Matt Jones]

Assuming he's not hurt, Assuming he was healthy.

[Herm Edwards]

If you can stay healthy, Joe Burrow Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So I think most people would agree on those four. So let me. Let me give you, like, Jaden Daniels, Justin Herbert, Jalen Hurts. Do you consider any of those guys great? Now?

[Herm Edwards]

I think Jaden Daniels is probably better than them.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Herm Edwards]

Because it's his second year. These guys have had a little history, and what have they done?

[Myron Metcalf]

Right?

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah, I mean, that's. And look. And I think they're all really good. I'm not saying. I'm not trying to shine on any. I think any starting quarterback in national football leagues is really a good player. They're good players.

[Matt Jones]

See, if you agree with this statement, then I'll let Myron go. I kind of think quarterback. I actually agree with your list for the most part. I'd probably cut it off at Burrow, but I kind of of the opinion that the NFL has more good quarterbacks than they normally do, but not more than four great ones. But, like, there's 22 or 23 that are pretty good. There aren't as many just terrible quarterbacks as we've seen sometimes over the years. Do you agree with that?

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah, I agree. I think the quarterback position now has a lot to do with two things. You can't give him talent. Does the system fit what he can do? And I think that's where the offensive coordinator comes in and the head coach comes in. Because we've seen too many of these guys resurrect their careers, go somewhere else and play well. One being Baker Mayfield right now. Right. I mean, Jones at.

[Matt Jones]

Daniel Jones.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah. Indianapolis. I mean, you know, just. We've seen it, and we always go, whoa, how did that happen? Well, has a lot to do with where you're at, who's calling the plays. Right. Because their talent didn't change and they maybe gained some experience, they become tougher. When you get beat up and, you know, and you go to about two or three teams, you become a tougher, mentally. Mentally tough guy. But I just think a lot of that has to do with that coach.

[Myron Metcalf]

Last season, A.J. brown was reading books on the sideline. Everybody laughed and said, oh, that's. That's cool. That's just who he is. Now all of a sudden, some of that stuff is starting to bother people. It seems like he's becoming a distraction, especially as they're struggling. How would you handle an A.J. brown, who, to me, doesn't seem like he's invested right now in being part of that team?

[Herm Edwards]

Well, and that's the problem. When you bring in a guy like that, you better win and you better get him his numbers. Because if not, he becomes a little bit of a distraction. And not so much distraction, but a talking point. And, you know, and that's. And then he's in Philadelphia. That doesn't make it any better. And so all these things become part of it. And I just think this year will be. Look, this will be a big year for this football team to see if they can get out of the situation they're in. And if they don't, I mean, I could see him moving.

[Matt Jones]

A.J.

[Myron Metcalf]

Brown, are you confronting him? Are you confronting him like in a. Like in a team meeting?

[Herm Edwards]

How are you dealing? Are you going to him as a coach? You're talking to him personally, you're not confronting him. And, you know, you don't want to embarrass him. You're not doing that. You don't embarrass players in front of their peers. I mean, you bring them in the room and say, look, man, we're doing everything we can do to get you to football, you know, and I'm going to. I'm going to target you at least 12 times a game. That's all we can do. And you got to be able to live with that.

[Myron Metcalf]

You know, Coach, sometimes when you say that at watching your career, I don't know if you were always as calm as what you're describing right now.

[Herm Edwards]

No.

[Myron Metcalf]

In some of those conversations, Coach, no, no, no. I watch your career, but.

[Herm Edwards]

But personal conversations with players, I'm very calm. I'm just. A matter of fact, I'm. I'm on the sideline, very calm.

[Matt Jones]

Let me ask you a question about being on the sideline. I don't know if you watched the college game last night, Georgia and Auburn, but. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, so you're Hugh Freeze on the Auburn sideline, and you see your fellow coach on the other side call timeout, and then the moment they give it to him, go, no, no, I was clapping. I was clapping. You see that? Are you. I know you're angry about the call, but are you angry at him? Are you angry at the other coach and going, dude, how you go lie like that? Or you just go, well, all's fair and loving.

[Herm Edwards]

When you get step between the lines, you're trying to win a game, so.

[Matt Jones]

You'Re cool with your other coaches?

[Herm Edwards]

You know, coaches are gonna be what they do. I mean, at the end of the day, I don't.

[Matt Jones]

So you wouldn't have gotten mad. Did you ever in your career confront another coach like. Like about something they did during the game?

[Herm Edwards]

No, not, Not. Not really. I mean, if, you know, if you're. If you're a team that plays to the echo of the whistle and it becomes a part of your personality as a football team, what do you mean by that?

[Matt Jones]

Like light hits?

[Herm Edwards]

Well, I'm saying, you know, at times, you know, you play a little bit. I shouldn't say dirty, but you play to that. Go with a whistle. Yeah, I have a problem with that because you're exposing players. You're gonna get players hurt. And I always want to protect the players and I say that.

[Matt Jones]

I wonder who he's talking about. Myron, don't you? He's talking about somebody.

[Herm Edwards]

I just, you know, I just watch it and just. I kind of smile and go, okay, I got you, Coach. Okay, Coach.

[Myron Metcalf]

If you're Kevin Stefanski, are you hoping that Dylan Gabriel plays well so you don't have to deal with the Shador Sanders stuff? Are you hoping you can finally put him out there so people can see for themselves? Like, how are you approaching this weekend?

[Herm Edwards]

I mean, look, and I think he will if you tailor the offense to his strengths. I mean, he gets the ball out of his hand. He's very accurate. He's not going to throw a lot of balls down the field. And that's, you know, now he played in a place in Oregon where the weather conditions are bad times and he can play in those conditions, but he's not a. He's not a home run hitter. And I said this before, guys, we were talking. He reminds me a lot of Brian Sight when Brian Sight was there. Brian Sight was very accurate. Got the ball out of his hand. He had enough skilled players around him to make the offense go, and that's what he does. And I think he's going to be a good quarterback.

[Matt Jones]

Do you?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. Real quick, real quick. Matt, can I do this real quick? Because Coach mentioned that he's calm. No, I didn't mean to that. But coach said he's always calm on the sidelines. Here's a story from 05, coach Herm Edwards. Mum. On the topic of getting into an animated discussion with running backs coach Bishop Harris in the middle of a game. So, I mean, was that calm or was there. I mean, was there a little animation there?

[Herm Edwards]

I kind of remember Bishop. Something happened. I forget something must have happened. It was.

[Myron Metcalf]

Curtis Martin wasn't in the game and was supposed to be.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah, something like that. And Bishop said something to me and then I said, what? You know, and I kind of went back at him and said, what? Did you just say, you know, and we squared it away?

[Myron Metcalf]

It was.

[Herm Edwards]

It.

[Dan Orlofsky]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

I don't. I don't cuss guys. I don't cuss. You don't have to worry about me. I don't. I don't. I don't use that kind of language. I don't believe in that.

[Matt Jones]

I just see mine's trying to pick at you.

[Herm Edwards]

I'm emotional, but I'm pretty calm. If you ask players, if you ask players that played for me at any level, at college or pro, they'll tell you I'm pretty calm. You know, I played a position, remember I played the chaos position.

[Matt Jones]

I take.

[Herm Edwards]

I played corner.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, when you play corner, you better be calm. I take her word. Myron's trying to pick at him all the time.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm just poking, coach. I just. I know coaches calm.

[Matt Jones]

I'm not. I was pretty calm. Let me ask you about a coach, Brian Day Ball tried to get into the injury tent. What'd you make of that?

[Herm Edwards]

He's making sure his quarterback was good. I got in there to make sure he go.

[Matt Jones]

If that's what he was doing.

[Herm Edwards]

He was playing good, man.

[Matt Jones]

He was like trying to get him in the game.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'll make sure he's okay. Hey, is he ready to go when we. We need him right now. I mean, that. That young guy, he has captured New York City. There's no doubt about it. I think if you're a Giant fan, you're excited about him being your quarterback. And I hope he plays a decade at least because he's fun to watch. I just worry about him understanding he needs to protect himself. Yeah, he takes some hits sometimes you look at it, say, he's got to learn, man. You can't do that.

[Matt Jones]

You got today. It was last year. This week, Jaden Daniels throws a Hail Mary against the Bears and it kind of flips both team seasons. The Bears, where people forget, started that year four and one, and then they kind of fell off the cliff and the commanders took that and just kept winning. Now you get a year later on Monday night, they're going to play each other again. Is this a chance for Caleb Williams to kind of really cement himself, overcome that game from last year and the fact that he was picked ahead of Daniels and really kind of make himself a career. Not, you know, a career, but like, be established as a guy who can be a leader in the league.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah, I think it's a big game for him because he played against Jaden in college, you know, and he was. He was picked before Jaden, and obviously Jaden had an outstanding year. I do think this Ben Johnson is. Is the best thing could ever happen to Caleb Williams. I mean, he's going to play in a system now that you can see him already. He's a better player. He looks better. He looks like a guy with more confidence. He knows where to go with the football. I mean, they're going to build a running game around him, play action team. And I just think he's going to just. And I said it last year when he was playing and struggling, I said, hey, man, this guy's going to be okay. He's just all. He's trying to. He took 68 sacks, guys, last year, and he's trying to make too many plays, right? But now he's in a system where the ball's out of his hand, he's going to be backed up with a running game. It's no different than when Jared Goff went to Detroit. And all of a sudden he's in this system, and it's like, wow, what happened to Jared Goff? Well, here we go, Coach system. How do you use the player? Right? And a lot of players, a lot of especially the quarterbacks, are successful in the fact that the system fits what they can do.

[Matt Jones]

Do you think there's a little luck sometimes in the draft as to where you get picked and if you get a coach whose system you fit.

[Herm Edwards]

Correct. And that's where the coach has to say, the player is always bigger than my X's and O's.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, okay.

[Herm Edwards]

Right. Because that's the player. If the player is successful, you're successful. And some coaches believe that their system is bigger than the player. I never believed that. I believe that you got to be able to massage your system or it's not. It's not going to work at the end of the day.

[Matt Jones]

Well, last thing, let me get you out here. Joe Flacco going to the Bengals.

[Herm Edwards]

How about that?

[Matt Jones]

I actually think that will improve them. I don't know how much, but I actually think that that's a pretty good move for them since they were doing nothing with Browning. Do you agree with that?

[Herm Edwards]

Correct. He's steady and he has a chance to beat the Green Bay packers twice.

[Matt Jones]

In one year from two different teams.

[Herm Edwards]

How about that happen for.

[Matt Jones]

It.

[Herm Edwards]

Is like, wow, really? And, you know. And Joe Flacco. Think about Joe Flacco, what he gives this team, he brings up. Here we go with the word again. He brings a calmness he's seen everything. So if you're a veteran or you're a player on this team, say, we got Joe Flacco. And Joe Flacco's seen everything. He's a walking encyclopedia. There's nothing he hasn't seen.

[Matt Jones]

Right.

[Herm Edwards]

He's been in the league.

[Myron Metcalf]

He's 57.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah. And he's very calm. He's, you know, he gets it. He understands ball. I mean, so this, these players got to say, we got Joe Flacco. You know, we can win games with him if we protect him.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I actually think Jamar Chase and I think he's going to do well.

[Herm Edwards]

Oh, boy. They're. They are smiling. Right?

[Matt Jones]

Edwards, just remember I'm the one on your side when you tell me you didn't fight with players or coaches. I believe you. Myron's out here.

[Herm Edwards]

It's okay.

[Matt Jones]

2004, five running back.

[Herm Edwards]

No, no, no. That was, that was a healthy discussion.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

Can't carry the ball enough.

[Matt Jones]

He's always bringing healthy discussions instead of just trying to enjoy himself. Herm, thank you very much.

[Herm Edwards]

Appreciate you both.

[Matt Jones]

It is Matt Myer. We are counting you down to kickoff here on ESPN Radio. We'll get you to one of the biggest games of the day. That's next.

[Myron Metcalf]

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[Myron Metcalf]

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[Matt Jones]

This Public Enemy. Correct. See, you can't get the 90s rock bands, but you're able to get Public Enemy. Well done. I think that's impressive. Right now, Denver leads the Jets.

[Myron Metcalf]

Surprising.

[Matt Jones]

I just want to make sure you were still on it. You know, you always get mad. We play Tyler Childers. We play rock music. Just want to give you some. Some love with your rap and your soul there.

[Myron Metcalf]

If I get. If I missed that, that's a penalty in my.

[Matt Jones]

I know I do. I was like, if you get that, if you got to come out here and say, young mc, I'm going to.

[Myron Metcalf]

Give you all the time, that'd be a problem.

[Matt Jones]

All right, so we got two games today. The Browns and the Steelers, Bengals and the Packers. Both are games that, I don't know, you might skip otherwise. But there's the trade this week with Joe Flacco going to the Bengals. And now Dylan Gabriel will start for the Browns, which he was going to do anyway, but now you have Shador as your number two. So let's start with this. They had to name Shador number two, right. Because they were thinking about Bailey Zappy, apparently, from the practice squad. If you had played Bailey Zappi as the backup, then you're basically saying Shador Sanders will never play here, right?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. Yeah. And, I mean, it's not that we haven't had those signs up until now. Like, in order to get to the field, he had to beat Dylan Gabriel and Joe Flacco and couldn't do it. Right. That's got to be a big sign in terms of where his development is at this point.

[Matt Jones]

So what if he does end up playing? I mean, obviously, we want to see Dylan Gabriel be the guy, but what if Shador goes in there? I mean, is that what does all of a sudden every television station, every television remote flip the gate to that game?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. I mean, unfortunately, no one wants to see Dylan Gabriel out there. And, you know, not like, you know, wanting to see him get hurt or something. I think there are a lot of people are hoping Dylan Gabriel struggles and then Shadora comes in. But I just don't know that there are any signs that Shador can be good. You know, like, this is a guy who had one preseason stretch where everybody crowned him and said he's going to be a starter in this league, yet through this point in the season, he was the number three guy until they traded Flacco. And I think this is a Cleveland team that really is saying our real quarterback is in next year's draft. So who cares what happens this season? But you kind of want to see Shador just to see if it's as bad as we think or if maybe they have.

[Matt Jones]

You're watching.

[Myron Metcalf]

Giving him a chance.

[Matt Jones]

An absolute wreck.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I mean, at some point, the only way to silence all this stuff is to see him play. Right? To see if he's good enough or not.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

You know.

[Matt Jones]

You know, touch the scalding stove and we'll see what happens on the other side. By the way, if the Steelers win, they're 4 and 1. Like, are you kind of on the Aaron Rodgers? You know, hey, I may be crazy, but I'm what this team needs.

[Myron Metcalf]

I just don't know how the Aaron Rodgers, Mike Tomlin marriage works. I don't know what they talk about. Right. Like, it's hard for me to imagine that those dudes have found common ground, but somehow they have.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, Mike, they haven't beaten anybody good. I mean, they've beaten, like, the jets, and then they beat a Vikings team that was Playing a backup and you know, they haven't beaten anybody good yet.

[Myron Metcalf]

They haven't. But I mean their division has also collapsed.

[Matt Jones]

Right.

[Myron Metcalf]

Like, I mean you got Joe Burrows hurt, Lamar Jackson, who knows how long he's out. Cleveland just switched quarterback. I mean, so there's, there's a lot to say that the Steelers are in prime position to win that division. Are they more than that? We're going to find out. But this is another one of those games that I think they should win and they could be a pretty high seat in the playoffs at this pace.

[Matt Jones]

By the way, our own Dan Orlofsky was on. Was, was on unsportsmanlike and he said that he thinks Shador, if he plays, will not do as well as even Dylan Gabriel does.

[Dan Orlofsky]

Capable of executing? Yes, capable of executing the way that Dylan operated.

[Matt Jones]

No.

[Dan Orlofsky]

The thing that stood out with Gabriel was how fast he connected the dots, how fast he saw the defense and then did X with the ball. That's been the thing that you want to see Shador do. He did it a little bit against Carolina and he then did not do it against the Rams. It's a small body of work, but that's the thing that Dillon does at a, A level up to Shador. So is he capable of doing that? Yeah, I don't know right now if he's capable of doing it as fast as Dylan Gabriel did it.

[Matt Jones]

So there you go. I think that would be what you would see is a drop off. No other team has had to go to their third string quarterback. But chances are we don't know any third string quarterbacks except Shador. It would be funny if the only third string quarterback that we know is the one Myron that ends up playing first.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

And you know, again they put him in a position to play because anything could happen in this game. Again, I don't want to see Dylan Gable get hurt, but it feels like there are a lot of people who want to see Shador.

[Matt Jones]

He'll get his chance at some point this year. It's just natural. He's probably.

[Myron Metcalf]

A lot of people want to be proven right. There's a lot of people who want to be able to say I told you so about him. And up until this point, you know, Cleveland hasn't even given him a chance to play because he hasn't been good enough. So we'll see what happens.

[Matt Jones]

Joe Flacco now goes into Green Bay. No player in the history of the NFL has beaten a team on, on their home field twice in a year with two different teams. Never happened. Okay. There's a couple players that won against one team twice a year, but never on that team's home field because it just never happens. You don't play two road games. There's only been one other person in history that's played two road games on the same field against the team. Flacco gets to do that today. I'm not going to sit here and ask you to break down the Flacco impact, although I think he'll be better. But what does it say about the packers if Flacco takes another bad team in and beats it?

[Myron Metcalf]

Would be good. I mean, it wouldn't be a good situation. The packers in that Cleveland game should have won. Right. You know, they missed that late field goal and then Cleveland comes down and hits the game winner. But it wouldn't be good for morale. The packers haven't won a game since Week 2. Remember, they lose to Cleveland and then they tied Dallas and then they had the bi week last week. So this is a Packers team that if they lost today against Joe Flacco and the Bengals, a team that's given up, I think almost 100 points in the last three games, that would not be good for morale.

[Matt Jones]

Would it be funny if the packers didn't make the playoffs or else didn't get a buy because they lost a Flacco twice?

[Myron Metcalf]

That'd be a story, man. That's a movie. If Flaco pulls this off, there's already.

[Matt Jones]

A producer ready to make movies.

[Myron Metcalf]

The movie like you. I just want to make one.

[Matt Jones]

You turn like, all these stories like, this would not be a good movie. Joe Flacco makes a team. Go to.

[Myron Metcalf]

And I just want to.

[Matt Jones]

That's not a movie.

[Myron Metcalf]

I just want to be able to write a script. That's all. I just. I just want to be a part of the movie. That's why I always suggest.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, so you're like, it's your channel and your inner Craig Kilbourne Ryan.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, like, if somebody hears it, maybe they'll give me a chance. Yeah, they'll give me a chance. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. I could. I could see you writing a script. I mean, it would probably be. It'd probably be.

[Myron Metcalf]

You can write a b. Brad Pitt is Flacco. Okay.

[Matt Jones]

Flacco is Brad Pitt.

[Myron Metcalf]

Matt and Myron, the podcast.