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Booyah. Presented by Modelo. Right now on the ESPN app.
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This.
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Is Matt and Myron, the podcast.
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It is Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio, the ESPN app. On your wild card weekend that has already been insanely exciting. 888, say ESPN Matt and Myron. I have to tell you, Myron, Thursday night was an awesome Fiesta Bowl. Friday night was devastation in the form of. Who would have thought Indiana football might not just be the favorite to win the championship, but might be, like the best team in recent memory? And then two great playoff games yesterday. It has been a football, Myron. Smorgasbord football.
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Yeah, it's been a lot of football. Great football. And I think if you're a fan, you could sit on your couch from Thursday through tomorrow because we got a game tomorrow night, man, and really have a good time.
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I completely agree. So let's get to it. Let's go off the top.
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What are we thinking about?
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I'm trying to think, but nothing happens. Nothing happens.
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Time to find out.
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This is off the Top.
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Flash off the Top with Matt and Myron.
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We are going off the top. And by the way, if you want to be a part of Matt and Myra Nation, Dr. Pepper calling line 888, say ESPN. ESPN Nation is presented by Dr. Pepper. It's not college football without the delicious taste of an Ice cold Dr. Pepper. College football. It's a Pepper thing. Can we turn that music down a little bit? I feel like I. What is going on in your garage?
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Are you something like, I want to.
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Talk about this Bears game, but it's like, okay, we're fine. All right. So the Bears in the packers last night. Let's start with this. I'm the biggest Bears fan that I. Well, that's. I mean, there are bigger Bears fans of me, but I've been a Bears fan my entire life next to you.
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I thought you were about to call yourself the biggest Bears. Yeah, that would have been a little bit. You were going there.
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Yeah.
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I need to take a step back.
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I'm a huge Bears fan. The biggest one. I know, but I'm sure there are.
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Yeah.
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I was so happy last night. I mean, I have three teams. Four teams have count the Reds, but Bears, Kentucky basketball and Hurricanes, they all won last night. But the Bears win down 21 to three against a rival in a comeback. With all of the things that happened as a win for a franchise, I would say to you it's the best for the Bears since 85. You're not a Bears fan, but how exciting was that last night?
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It was. It was incredible. I mean, first off, the game was amazing, right? Like, it was just to have a team down and to watch them come back in general was just amazing. And you got to give Ben Johnson credit. Ben Johnson talked the talk when he got this job. He said, I enjoy beating Matt LaFleur twice. He didn't hold back. He said, I enjoyed beating him twice, beat him twice. Uh, he didn't hold back. And in the biggest moment in his debut season, he. He beat Matt LaFleur and he proved he was the better coach. And I think, to me, this is one of those games that will go down in history for. For the Bears, not just because of who they beat, but how they won the game. And I also think this is the start of The Caleb Williams 30 for 30, if there ever is one. Like, this is the scene that opens that film.
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Well, I'll talk to you about Caleb Williams in a minute, but let's just. I want to just think about the Bears season for a second. How many games they've had like this, right where it was essentially over. Even going back to the Raiders, the Bengals, the. The Giants, they've had these games that were, in hindsight, against not good teams, where they were about to lose and they pulled off some miracle to win even the same against the packers the last time they played. And then you get to this game and they're down 21 to 3. And I'm sure when they were down 21 to 3, if you're being honest, Myron, with yourself, you probably thought, see, I've been thinking they were a fluke all year. Here's the proof. Would you agree with that?
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I thought that this is a good way for the packers to lose. What I did think, honestly.
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Wait a minute, 21 to 3, you thought they'd still lose?
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Yeah, because there were missed opportunities. Like I thought. There were moments where I thought, okay, you know what? You get in the end zone one more time, you expand the lead, you're a lot safer than you are now. So I thought there was a chance now, Booger.
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So then they make the drive. Booger McFarland said, the drive at 27, 16, the fourth down throw, where where Caleb is fourth and eight, he throws it. I'm not sure either foot was on the ground when he threw it. I think he might have literally been in midair. Booger McFarland said, Greatest throw he's ever seen. Now, that's a strong comment, but it has to be in the conversation, right?
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Yeah. I think us in general in this business, we say the greatest thing we've ever seen four times a month, you know, and nobody tracks us. Right. That's the benefit of this job. Right. Is we get to do that. You know, I will say, though, that throw and some other things. Caleb Williams did everything you thought he was coming out of the draft where you thought he was in that 1%. I think he showed that yesterday. I think he showed you the things where you said, okay, there aren't many guys in the NFL who can do that. And I think that's what that throw was.
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It was. It was unbelievable, though. I mean, there were. Not only does he put it right in Odunze's hands, he does it. And there are four packers around him and he's jumping like it is an unbelievable throw, and that just gets them to where they have a chance. The mismanagement on the packers drive with its score 27, 24. Have you ever seen worse clock management by a team?
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I thought Mike McCarthy was coaching again. You know, I thought. I thought, wow, they brought in Mike McCarthy as the time management consultant, and maybe that's where he is, that it's the kind of mismanagement that means Matt LaFleur can't be your head coach after you think it is that.
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Do you think it's that bad?
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They have to fire him today?
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Really?
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I mean, he can't be their coach tomorrow. And I say that because there are a lot of good candidates out there right now. There are a lot of open jobs. The timing of it matters if you think you have a shot at Harbaugh or Stefanski or one of these other guys. Also, people are waiting to see what happens tomorrow with Mike Tomlin. You have to fire him and move forward because that was embarrassing, losing whatever that happens all the time. An embarrassment like that to your rival. Matt LaFleur can't show up as the head coach next year, and everybody thinks that's going to be okay.
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Well, and remember, they wasted two timeouts on that drive when they were trying to kill the clock. They called timeout twice so that when they got the ball, you have those two timeouts, Myron. It's maybe a different drive. Don't you think, well, first we use the timeout when the guy got hurt, so you wouldn't have had to have the runoff.
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The 10 second runoff. But then here's what you all, what you saw in that game as well. Have you ever seen a team up 18 look more nervous than that packers team? Because I haven't. Nobody looked confident, Matt. That team looked like they were saying, we gotta hold on to this leap. They didn't look like a team that was saying, we gotta win. And their head coach didn't look like a head coach who was saying, let's go close the show. It looked like they were saying, please don't let the Bears get hot.
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And.
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And to do exactly what they did. 24 points in the fourth quarter, right? The 25 points, I believe, in the fourth quarter. Matt LaFleur can't have this job at the end of the day, if the packers are serious about making the most of this Jordan Love era.
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So let's go back for the Bears for a second. I want you, Myron, to put yourself in the shoes of a Bears fan. Like one of those dudes wearing a cheese grater on his head. First of all, how did that guy get a cheese grater into the game? And did he just bring a block of cheese with him to the game? Did he just say, I'm going to this game and I'm taking a block of cheese to shred?
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I don't. I don't know that Bear security is really patting people down. I mean, I feel like there was stuff in that game where I said, I don't know if everybody's going through the metal detectors. Like, it just seemed. It just seemed that way, basically.
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I like to know that I can bring graders to games. He does.
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But.
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But if you were a Bears fan and you were in that stadium last night, that's gotta be one of, like, life's great experiences, right? On a Saturday night, coming back against the packers, like, as a fan of a team, could you have a better experience?
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No, I mean, home game and then the way it ended. And then I think probably the emotions of going from. Okay, here are the Bears. You're down 18 at halftime in the playoffs. This is what you do to the way that they finish again, that's the Caleb Williams 30 for 30 documentary. That's how it starts, right there in that game. And to beat the team that you hate more than any other team, it was poetic. If you're a Bears fan, to watch that.
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Here's what I would do. I have a scale. Myron it's the Matt Jones excitement fan scale. Okay, I know it's pretty awkward, though.
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But that's like a lot of words. I'm not.
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I'm not. This is just. I'm explaining to you, this is not a marketing scheme, all right? I know a game is big. I know a game is big when I pace, okay, during it, when I stand up in my house and I pace. I pace during UK basketball games. I pace during an occasional big Reds or Hurricanes game, but I haven't paced in a Bears game in a long time because they just haven't mattered enough. Last night, I was pacing back and forth, back and forth. I was getting my steps in. In my living room. And then. You really know. It's a legendary spoke moment. Myron. If I jump, okay. If.
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If I jump scale, okay, this is stuff down.
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Yes.
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On the fake bubble screen pass for the touchdown. Not only did I jump, I kind of hurt my toe in landing because I didn't land correctly.
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That's jumping over 40 without preparing. You can't. You can't just do unannounced jumping after 40.
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I unannounced jump and I hit my toe on one of the. What do you call it? One of the railings for the stairs, and it hurt. And so I actually have an official injury from that touchdown last night. That's how you know it's a big game.
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Listen, if you're going to jump after 40, you better call your emergency contact first just to have them on standby. But I bet a lot of fans.
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Feel or something first.
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Yeah, you got to have a lot of fans probably felt that way. And listen, kudos to them. Like, you get to enjoy that moment. You whoop the packers, you destroy the baggers, and you probably got the head coach fired, honestly, with that performance.
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What do you think of Ben Johnson's postgame speech with multiple F words? He literally says, blank the Packers. I blank and hate the Packers.
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I'm all for it. You do not have to be professional when you beat your rival in a game like that. Like, I think you have to be professional in every other circumstance. When you beat your rival, you get to do that. And I think I'm okay with it. The planting the flag, Baker Mayfield. You do that to somebody that you just don't like. I'm fine with whatever comes after the game.
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It does seem like, you know, in a league where everybody's always hugging each other after games, it does seem like, bitch Johnson really hates the Packers.
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You see the handshake? I love that what you see, he just like. You see the handshake? He just did like a quick handshake. And then Matt Lafleur was sort of standing there like, you're not going to give me the, you know, an actual cordial handshake. He just walked off. He just walked off. Oh, yeah.
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He says, like the Packers, a great night for Bears fans. It registered on the Matt Jones fan scale. And I had my second toe, which is an often forgotten toe. It's the longest toe, has an injury today thanks to the game. What do they call that toe? What's the name of your second toe? You got your big toe, your pinky toe. But what you know, I'm sure it has a name.
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Index, index toe. Is it?
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No, I don't look it up.
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James. I know it's just the second toe. No, every toe has a name and I need to know what my second toe.
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You were in those science classes, weren't you?
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You, Matt and AP Super Honors Biology.
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We're gonna name the toes that' who has a name.
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And when we come back, we will let you know what they are. Plus we'll look into the college football championship game. That set and the other game yesterday. That's next. I'm Matt and Myron.
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Matt and Myron, the podcast.
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It is Matt Myron, getting you ready for the national championship game. All right, so let me read you the names of the toes real quick, because I think everybody wants to know this. The first toe is called the. The big toe. It's also known, Myron, is the hallux. Did you know that your big toe is the hallux?
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It's just the big toe.
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No. So the hallis. Then you have. The second toe is the index toe or the digitus second. This digitus.
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I said index toe. I did.
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A third toe is known as the middle toe, and it's digitus medias, which is. Which is Latin for middle. Then fourth toe is.
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Why are we still using Latin stuff, by the way? Like, are we. Aren't we done with them? Because are we done with those?
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The Latin is the universal language. It's the one that, you know, all the people.
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I don't speak it. Translate all that stuff. Nobody understands that from 1475. Nobody cares about that.
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It didn't get to that level of class. Those of us in the. In the advanced class, we did. Yeah, I guess the fourth toe is the digitus cortis, and then the pinky toe is the digitus minimus. There you go.
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That's just somebody wanting to be smarter than they have to be or, you.
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Know, the actual correct names of the toes. The national championship game is Indiana in Miami. Probably not a game that anyone would have predicted. When the season starts, Indiana just absolutely demolished Oregon in a game that you could argue was over three minutes into it. And Miami won a classic against Ole Miss. One of the better games that we've seen in the playoffs in forever. I am. I am. I believe this is true. You tell me if you agree. If they win the title, and I think all indications are they're the big favorite. The Indiana story is maybe the best coaching job I've ever seen in any sport. End of stop. Do you agree?
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Well, I mean, that's that whole, like, greatest of all time, best I've ever seen thing. I don't think it's.
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You know, it's. Can you.
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In recent memory, Certainly.
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Okay.
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In recent memory, I mean, I saw a stat that said Indiana came into this, I think last year's season as the losing his team. I believe in power.
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They had in the last 50 years the worst record of any Power 4 school in America.
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So, I mean, to get to this point where you are destroying an SEC team and then embarrassing Oregon the way that they did and looking unstoppable, like, if you told me the line was 21 in favor of Indiana in the title game, I'd say that's not crazy. As good as they looked, it's five, and it is. It should be, I think, much different than that. But no, I think Kirsten Eddy is the coach of the year in any sports you want to name, considering what he's done. And I think it's also a sign that this thing is legitimately changing before our eyes in terms of who's great and who's kind of fallen behind. Like, Indiana is just really altering what we think a great team has.
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Well, I mean, I think everything has completely changed. Like, if you go look at the transfer portal rankings right now, can I read you the top three teams in recruiting in the portal rankings?
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Yeah.
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Number two is lsu. Maybe you would have thought that number one is Oklahoma State and number three is Kentucky. And they're both of those programs, I'm sure, are trying to follow the Indiana thing. But here's what makes Indiana amazing to me, the success they've had. They don't even have really star players beyond their quarterback. They've got like three star guys now. Their quarterback is obviously great. He's going to probably be the number one pick. But this has been done with dudes that are not that much different, Myron, than the kind of dudes Indiana had before. It's just that they have coached them at an elite level. They don't make mistakes. And then they threw in a generational quarterback.
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Yeah, the coaching matters a lot. The development matters a lot. I will. I will push back a little bit. First off, you know, I think there are a lot of Indiana fans who are like, hey, we're doing this with nothing. Like, at the end of the day, these guys have matured into pretty good players. You know, who you are coming out.
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Of when the NFL high school is.
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Not who you are now, but when.
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The NFL draft occurs. I don't know how many of these guys are getting picked. I mean, they'll have a few, but I would say to you if you were to go back to our NFL draft colleagues and ask them show their preseason top 250 board, how many Indiana players would have been on it? Probably almost.
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No, not, no, not, not many. I mean, and I think Signetti deserves a ton of credit, which is why they've locked him up with a huge extension to make sure he doesn't go anywhere. I think this also shows like we might be watching the end of the college freshman having an impact at this. Well, those guys are all old except.
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The dude at Miami. Except that's.
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But what do they call him? What do they call him? I mean, if you're great like that, yes, the exceptional guys, the five star guys will always have a place. But every team's going to try to get older the way Indiana is older. I think that to me is a part of this too.
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I think that's true. But I think I would just say to you, this national championship shows the future of college football. You have, you have two programs. Obviously Miami has a great history, but they haven't been what they were, you know, in our childhood. And you, and we have watched not just teams beat powers in. Alabama got destroyed, Ohio State got beaten, you know, Georgia got beaten, all by teams that really haven't done things in recent years. College football is different now and anyone can compete in college basketball. Two of the five undefeated teams are Nebraska and Vanderbilt. I mean, it's just a different sport now, Myron. It is.
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Yeah. And I think with Indiana, Miami football, like new money showed up in the last three to four years. That had an impact on this too.
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But Indiana didn't even have all that much money. They do now. But they didn't for this team and they still were able to do it. I think it's absolutely fascinating, but so exciting for me. All right, we'll go back to the NFL, including the Panthers game and the games today. That's next here on Matt Myers.
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Matt and Myron, the podcast.
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That's right. Well, they called me sweetness and I like to dance. And Herman Edwards is joining me here on the Matt Myron Show. Herm, do you know this song you like? I mean, I know you know it, but do you like it?
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No, that's not the Shuffle. No. The best song they ever had was the Shuffle.
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This is the super bowl show.
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Is this the.
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No, this is it. Yes, it is. He's Samurai Mike. He stopped some cold. Okay. Yeah.
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Okay. Super Bowl Shuffle. I just remember the shuffle part of it. That's all. Well, this is.
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The video was incredible.
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Yeah, the video was really.
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The video was classic.
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It was. It was. It was.
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It was great.
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It was outstanding.
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All right. So you got a lot of perspective. I want to ask you two questions.
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Sure.
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And you. These are my two points. And you tell me if you agree to disagree. One, one, more exciting playoff games in recent memory. We've had a bunch, but that was one of the more exciting ones last night. And two, the past that Caleb Williams threw on 4th and 8 where he was jumping up in the air is one of the best passes I've ever seen. What do you think of those two comments?
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You're correct on both. And that was probably one of the bestest performances I've seen in a quite a long time from a quarterback, the way he played last night. But he's been playing that way all year. But last night, I mean, it was like, are you kidding me right now? Just how, what's, what's unique about Caleb Williams, how he can contort his body going one way and have enough strength on the throw and the accuracy of it all to throw it across the field. It's like, are you this. Am I watching, really watching this? It's just in this team, the Bears, if you're a Bear fan, you've seen this story, you've come from behind seven times.
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You know, at some point, it's not a fluke, right?
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No, it's just what they, they don't panic. They just keep playing it. And when the game was being played last night, you sitting there, I was sitting, watching with some folks and I said, this ain't over. I said, when it gets to the fourth quarter, I said, I'm telling you, it's not over. And all of a sudden, here they come, and you could just see it. And it was like, these guys about to beat. They're going to beat the packers, you know, and it was just a fun game to watch, Coach.
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The fact that I could see it, the fact that it looked like the packers didn't have any confidence of 18 at halftime, I put that on Matt LaFleur. What happens to a coach in the second half when a team just collapses like that is just the. Is the messaging different? Is. Can a team sense when a coach doesn't have that confidence you expect them to have in that moment?
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Well, I don't know the coach so much. I do know this. The players are looking for something, you know, to, you know, when you get to halftime, you gotta look and go, okay, now, here's when the game's about to start. We in the third quarter. We gotta capture this third quarter. We gotta make a statement. Because this team, historically, they play better in the second half. Your whole staff's talked about it all week. How do you put out? You know, we used to always say this on defense. Man, go put out the fire, boys. You better put the fire out. Cause all of a sudden, you know, it's a little flame, and all of a sudden, everybody's hot.
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They brought gasoline out there, Coach.
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In a match, they brought it all. Think teams can end up scared down the stretch?
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I don't know if they like.
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To me, they were nervous. Like, they didn't want to mess.
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They were scared.
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You know, I didn't go say, this guy ain't gonna say. Professional football players are scared. I just think the onslaught of it all, you know, it was like, oh, no.
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Well, it's like a snowball. It can get going.
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You can't stop it.
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And you can't stop it.
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You just can't stop it. And I've been in games like that on both sides of it. Where you go, okay, here we go, boys. Hold on for the ride.
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You know, I gotta ask you a question.
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Yes, sir.
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About kicker. Okay. Like, you know, you go back to the Ravens game last week, poor Tyler Luke misses that kick. And then McManus last night missed seven points worth of kicks. Yes, I know kickers are on the team, but they're kind of also not on the team. And what's it like in a locker room when you lost a game? Now, they didn't lose just because of the kick, right? But if the kicks had gone in, they win. What is that like? And how do people deal with the kickers in that situation?
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D
You know, I've been in locker rooms and, and obviously were kickers of missed kicks. I can remember in Atlanta, you know, when I was with the Eagles and back then, you know, if you won the first wild card game or guess you got like 2500 or something like 3500. We were on the sideline, man, and we were, we were counting the money. We were lined up for this kick. It was the easy one, you know, but the problem was we just brought the kicker in like that week. We brought him in like Saturday night. He comes to the meeting because Dick fired the other kicker last week in the playoffs. And so we go, we got the kicker and we go, okay, man, you switch kickers in the playoffs, Coach, not only do we switch, he came Saturday night in the meeting. We were wondering, we went to Atlanta, we said, we don't have a kicker. How are we gonna kick? And this kid, the guy shows up and I said, Dick said, he's the kicker. And I went, oh, okay. And we were fine. You know, he. The first thing we wanted, we scored a touchdown. We said, can he make the. He make the Acker point? Oh, we're good, you know, and then he made a kick in the game and then at the end, man, we're driving and he's got to make like about a 37 yard kick. And we're on the sideline and you know, I'm like, man, I'm already counting the money. I said, we want to go play off.
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We got 3,500, man.
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D
He in his right footed kick, you know, and he kicks it and it started going left and it kept going left. And I went, are you. No, no. And the money just flew right over to the Atlanta side. We left up out of there.
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I said, sorry, Doug.
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D
You don't feel sorry for the guy. You know what? And we didn't get. I mean, we weren't mad, man. It's like you can't. And look, I had a kicker twice, you know, in Pittsburgh, we beat Pittsburgh Steelers in the playoff game and we're going to New England. He missed two in a row. I mean, back to back. And so I've been there, believe it or not, the players, they don't like. I think some fans say, what are they going to do when they get in the locker room? They going to beat up the kicker? No, I mean, you feel bad for the kicker and you Just. You just move on. Say, man, you don't want to leave it up to the kicker.
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At the end of the day, guys, that's. That's the part. That's the part that Matt LaFleur is getting too much credit for. At the end of the day, it should have never been a situation where it came down to these kicks. Here's my theory. It's not even a theory. Here's what I feel like. Coach.
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D
He missed the extra point, too, though, didn't he? Want to go for two every time?
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C
He did, but you're up 18.
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D
Okay.
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C
Matt LaFleur should be fired right now. There should be a meeting right now where he's losing his job.
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D
Oh, my.
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C
Because I thought. I think that was an embarrassing collapse. I think it was an embarrassing collapse. No one can tell me how he's elevated this team consistently. No one can tell me the greatest thing he's done since he went to the NFC championship twice with the best Aaron Rodgers we've ever seen. Why should he be the head coach after this? I would fire him as we're speaking, coach, and tell him he's out of a job.
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D
Well, Myron, you. You're just mean today.
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A
Why are you mean?
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C
No, it's not me.
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A
It's not me.
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We've already.
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C
Help me understand.
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D
We've already had to keep his job. We've already had seven. Now you got eight. You got him lined up in.
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A
In.
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In.
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In your crosshairs, huh? You want to. Want to run?
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C
No, I just don't know. I. I think if you're the Green Bay packers, you're trying to elevate this team in this division.
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D
Yep.
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C
I don't think he's the guy.
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D
Okay, that's fine. And you. And you know what? And. And. And you mentioned it. And, And I said it earlier today. I said, you know who ends up getting coaches fires the fan base because the owners hear all the noise. They hear all the noise of the fans. And. And see, now you're stoking them up in Green Bay. And so they're gonna.
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A
They're gonna be tweeting my.
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D
It ain't my fault, Coach.
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C
I don't do it.
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D
It's not my. At the end of the day, the result is a result. It's not Myon's fault, but it. It, it. You know, when your fan base is tweeting and hollering, these owners, man, after a while, are sensitive. You know why? Because they're the ones that pay the freight. They come into the game, they're the ticket holders.
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A
Do you tweet?
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D
I don't know.
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A
I.
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D
No, I don't do that.
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C
18 point collection Facebook.
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D
I don't do that. I don't do that stuff.
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A
You don't even. You don't have Tik Tok.
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D
I don't do any of that stuff.
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A
I hope you don't have Snapchat.
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D
I do espn. Don or not. Don or not, that's what I do. And if you can't catch me on radio or television, good luck to you. That means I ain't working.
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A
You don't need to know about it.
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C
18 point collabs.
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D
Coach.
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C
I don't think that's about social media. That's about a guy not delivering.
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D
But. But it's his time after it's history. It's.
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A
I think you'd be good on TikTok.
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D
No, I wouldn't be good on.
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A
I think you'd be good.
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C
That's why I was trying to get somebody to TikTok.
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D
And don't you remember? I got. I've got a few sayings that have last a long time.
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A
Yeah, you know the one.
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D
But maybe the most important one. And when it first got started, when it first. When all this messaging started, what did I say? Don't press send.
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C
Don't press send message.
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A
You said, don't press send. I'm the one.
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D
First one that said it.
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C
I said, don't press send. The first one that I told the players that got in trouble, I told.
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D
Players that at the rookie symposium, when I spoke to the players, I said, let me tell you guys something. I said, you know, you get all upset and you get all worked up and the first thing you want to do, you want to get on your little phone and you want to dial it all out. I said, you could type it out. I said, go ahead and type it out. But there's. You should put. And I told him, I said, I'm going to. I'm going to make a phone. So when you dial it all out, there's going to be a button and it's going. It's going to be red. It's going to say, don't press send.
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C
I like it.
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A
No, no.
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C
This is what they got to add.
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A
To all NFL players phones, which is sent out a tweet. Your Herm Edwards face comes up and goes, don't press, don't do it.
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C
Don't press it.
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D
Don't do it. Think about all the people that have pressed in and went, oh, I was emotionally. Yeah, don't press in Let me ask.
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You a question, because this happened here in Lexington after the Kentucky played a basketball game Wednesday and lost. Oh, when the game was over.
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D
Not good.
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A
When the game was over, one of the players went online 20 minutes after the game and was posting his highlights from the game on his. On. On his Instagram. Like the plays he had played well. How would you have handled that if you were a. Back then?
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D
It would be real simple. When did they play again?
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A
Well, they played a couple days later.
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D
Did the kid get to play?
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A
He played a little, but not much.
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D
I wouldn't have played him at all.
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A
Is that right?
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D
I said, send that out. Tweet that out. I'm on the bench. I said, you could do it right now during the game. You could tweet all you want. Just talk about the game. Talk about you're watching the game like the fans. Cause that just. That made you a fan. You sit there and you could tweet it out. Yeah. First quarter, I'm not playing yet. We're playing pretty good, but I'm not playing. Second quarter, still on the bench. I'm not playing.
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C
Halftime.
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D
Halftime. Come in. Third quarter, I got to warm up in the third quarter, but I'm still on the bench. Yeah, that stops all that silliness.
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A
I like it. Before I let you go, last question. There are seven jobs. Might be eight, depending on what happens to Green Bay. Oh, you think he's gone?
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D
Oh, no, no, no. I'm sorry. Seven, seven.
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A
So it is right to Raiders. You got the Cardinals, Falcons, close. Cleveland.
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D
I know what you're going to say.
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A
Give me your two best jobs that are open.
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D
Best job right now is the Baltimore Ravens. They got the most talent.
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A
Okay?
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D
They have the. They have the most talent. So, I mean, that's. That's the one that you got to go to if you get to know.
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A
What about the second? What would you say? The Giants, because you got a young quarterback.
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D
Got a young quarterback, but it's New York.
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A
You coached in New York. What's wrong with New York?
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D
Nothing if you win. But if you don't win. Oh, boy. It hard, man.
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A
What's it like if you don't win in New York?
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C
I don't know.
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D
I. I was kind of always on the winning side for the most part. I don't know. Hey, hey.
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C
I want somebody else.
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D
I want enough. I want to know where somebody. Where the Kansas City won the man I got traded.
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E
How about that?
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A
Is it.
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C
That was very Kurt Signetti. Like coach might as well let you know.
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D
Don't go there. That that man is a winning coach. He's won, he's been marvelous, and I'll leave it at that.
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A
Google. Google him. Herm.
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D
No, I ain't Google. I don't need to. When I see his face, I go, okay, coach, you got it.
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A
You go ahead, buddy.
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D
Do what you do, man.
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A
Herb Edwards, ESPN NFL Analyst he doesn't know what it's like to lose.
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C
That's for somebody else.
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D
I lost. I've lost a little bit of my life. It keeps you humble.
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A
Don't hit sin.
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D
And it goes to show you how hard it is to win when you lose.
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A
Hard to win, guys, we'll be back.
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C
Matt and Myron the.
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A
Podcast Great stuff with Herm. As always. It's gonna be Myron's fault if Matt lafor loses his job.
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C
He did blame me. He blamed me.
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A
Like you, you run these coaches off and I don't know why you do that.
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C
No, I didn't do it. An 18 point collapse did it.
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A
If it happened, you did it. Matt Myers Presented by Progressive Insurance. You can get all the insurance for your car and auto needs. And Matt LaFleur may need insurance that's mobile to get him to a new location thanks to Myron Metcalf. But he's not the only one. There are seven jobs currently open in the NFL. You got the Ravens fired John Harbaugh. The Dolphins waited till the end of the week to get Mike McDaniel. Let's start with that one for a minute because it didn't happen until Thursday. What do you make of that? You think that was like waiting to see if there would be candidates? Like, why do you think they waited so long?
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C
I think that's a part of it. I mean, I think that would be a part of it if the Green Bay job comes over. But I think certainly if you're in Miami, you're trying to figure out what your options are potentially. And I also don't. The thing we don't know is like, what happens behind the scenes. And I'm always curious, Matt, like, does ownership go to players? Do you go to the top guys in the locker room, say, hey man, what do you think about this? It just didn't feel like anybody thought that Mike McDaniel was the guy after what we saw. So I wasn't shocked. The timing was more surprising than the actual move.
- [38:53]
A
I thought they should have fired him from the moment he wore those little like culotte pants that only went up to his shins. Like, that was when at that point I was like, you can't wear that on NFL Field, man. Like, once I saw that, I thought, you can't. Like, you can't go into a locker room With. With. With pants that only go to your shins. And so that from then on, I knew it wasn't going to work.
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C
Yeah, it also. If the media is in love with you in the first, like, month, never take the job. You probably in trouble.
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A
Don't ever try to win over the doors.
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C
This is the greatest thing.
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A
Don't ever try to win over the dorks. There's this group of people, and I'm not trying to be mean to them. So I'm not. Hang on. I'm not gonna call them out by name, okay. Because I could, because they exist in every sport usually. All right, well, I could tell you what company they usually work for, but I'm not gonna do it. But there's a group of people there, a little. They're a little too nerdy to be covering sports. All right? So, like, they sit there and all they do is talk about numbers. And they're, like, the amount of pressures on third down with 16. And, like, you just stop. We got. When I hear those people and you know who they are, they're very nice people, but they're like science geeks who somehow ended up as college. Like, college basketball. They always love Creighton, Okay. Like, guys who always love Creighton with those. When those people. I call them the Creighton lovers. When they love you as a coach, chances are you're gonna not win anything. And Mike McDaniel was the nerdy football. Like the DVOA of the six for the PRG of the 742 of all that. That's when you're gonna lose. And Mike McDaniel was their guy.
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C
Yeah. I don't have any problem with somebody being, like, nerdy and kind of obsessed. I think. I think in this. No, I think in this. I mean, Sean Levee is like, that. I think in this era, that's part of. It's just a cool nerd. That's all it is.
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A
He's just a cool. There's a big difference between being a cool nerd and being the guy who's carrying the boot box boombox in, going, hey, fellas, are you excited for the new game? That's Mike McDaniel.
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C
But that's the line you can cross as a coach is when it looks like you're trying too hard to connect with your guys. And didn't you feel like he was, like, the narrative? Oh, yeah. I think. I think certainly it felt like he was doing a lot of things that were about, hey, man, I want you guys to really like me and I think it happens to a lot of these player coaches, though. These guys who are all about the players and they want to build those bonds. You need a little bit of old school mixed in that as well, I think, to earn the respect of a locker room.
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A
I agree. And they did. I don't think he had that. Now, I asked you what I asked her, which of these jobs would you want the most? Which would you want the least?
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C
Yeah, I would most want the Ravens job. If you tell me that involves Lamar Jackson signing an extension, there are real people out there saying, will the Ravens move on from Lamar Jackson? Are people crazy?
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A
Yeah, people lost it.
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C
Like, do they do not the job. I want the landscape and see what's happening.
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A
That's not the job I would want. I would want the job.
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C
What would you want?
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A
I would want the Giants because I feel like Jackson dark. Because the problem with Lamar, first of all, it's not like if you asked me who would I want to coach next year, I would say the Ravens. But if I'm trying to build my own philosophy, I don't know if the. I don't know if Lamar's got five years in him. Right. And so if he doesn't have five years in him, then I want to go a quarterback that I know does. And if I. If I believe in Jackson Dart, and I'm not saying I totally do, but if I'm a coach and I do, then the Giants job is probably the one I want the most.
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C
Yeah, but you don't know yet. I mean, I think that's why I couldn't pick the Giants over the Ravens. I think there are a lot of signs that.
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A
Would you want the Raiders? So you got Mendoza. Would you rather have Mendoza or Dart for the future?
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C
Dart.
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A
Okay.
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D
Yeah.
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A
So then you.
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C
I mean, that's nothing against Mendoza, but I've just seen Jackson dart enough to know that there's something there. Yeah, the Raiders have the number one pick. I don't know what else they have. They got some key skill players, but they have so many holes.
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A
What if the packers job is open? Is it number one?
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C
The packers job is open. It's number two, probably. You know, you're going with these jobs.
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A
You're going with the bird in the hand. You want the. You want to go where you know.
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C
You have that phrase. Give me that whole phrase again. A bird is worth. What is it?
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A
No, it's not in the hat. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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C
Why did I think it was a hat? Explain that. To me, the. A bird in the hand.
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A
Well, if you heard it's not a hat, it's very. It's very simple. Has nothing to do with that. It's very simple. Okay, let's say you're needing birds, all right? Your mind, for whatever reason, you need birds. One bird in your hand is good, but you may look over there and go, I want two birds there in the bush. But if you go and try to catch them, you might get none. So it's much better to have a bird in your hand than to have two in the wild in the bush.
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C
Okay, it wasn't a hat. Why do I think it was a hat? Okay, one bird, okay?
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A
Yeah, it would make any sense, Myron, if it was a bird in the hand is worth two in the hat. What in the world would that even mean?
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C
Would make sense to you? They don't. You know, we may have different perspectives on some of these riddles. Yeah, I want the bird in the hand. I do want the sure thing. And I think the most sure thing on this list of vacancies is Lamar Jackson. Everything else is a question.
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A
You don't think Jordan Love is the most sure thing?
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C
Not the most consistent sure thing. And he's getting banged up a lot. You know, he does get. I don't know what.
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A
What's the worst job?
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C
I don't know if he's ever going to give us a consistent run of excellence. Like, I haven't seen what's the worst job of the group, anything attached to Cleveland. I know people think that they have this great defense, but being a part of that organization is just. It gets on you, you know what I mean? Like, it just. It's just I wouldn't want to be a part of that organization.
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A
So you think it's like. It's like in Seinfeld, the car that stinks, and once it gets on you, you can't get the smell out. Is that it?
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C
Hey, it's like a comedian said, you know, once you're around glitter, you just got the glitter. And I feel like Cleveland is like that. Once you're around Cleveland, you just got the Cleveland.
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A
Man. Why you gotta say Cleveland stinks like that? I'm not saying if you want to yell at Cleveland.
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C
The organization has a lot of challenge.
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A
If you're from Cleveland and you want.
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C
To yell at me, I love my guy, Emmett golden and guys like that. I just.
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A
The organization say espn, he says, if you're around Cleveland, you got the Cleveland. If you disagree, 888 C say ESPN plus we'll start looking at today's games. That's next.
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C
Matt and Myon the Podcast.
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