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See mintmobile.com this is Matt and Myron the podcast Matt and Myron here on ESPN Radio, the ESPN app, presented by Progressive Insurance. Matt off Today I'm in for Matt. I'm Andrew Sal Tunis alongside my man Myron Medcalf. Myron, I gotta apologize in advance. I apologize if I'm like sniffing in your ear constantly throughout the course of the show. Yeah, I was at a baby shower yesterday. Shout out to my sister. She's almost there. And it was. And I got something with the flowers that. Yeah, I'm going to be doing that all day today. And I apologize in advance to you.
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The Seinfeld episode, right, like that.
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I'm pretty much living it right now.
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No, I thought you were saying cuz you had a cold. I got a little something. I got a little like cold bug. I'm, I'm, I'm trying to get over like every time the kids go back to school they bring something home, you know, so like I'm, I'm wrestling with that. So we're both going to be sniffling a little bit maybe throughout the show.
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And plus you're still traveling all over the world. Yeah, man, you're, you're in different parts of the country like every other day. So you're gonna be in that tin can in the air, probably cycling in all kinds of illnesses and you just gotta deal with it over and over and over again.
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Yeah, yeah, everybody. Like it's like we don't realize. Like you're just stuck too. Like if you sit next to somebody who's got something like there's no protection, man, you know, you, you just gotta deal with it.
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Yeah, you're just sitting there, you're just breathing in everybody's air over and over and over again constantly. Good thing is we have football to just sit back and relax and watch all day today. This will be your official countdown to kickoff show today. We are less than three hours away from the one o' clock slate. And of course, you could be a part of Matt and Myron Nation on the Dr. Pepper call in line. Call us at Triple H, say ESPN. That's 888-729-3776. ESPNation is presented by Dr. Pepper. It's not college football season without the delicious taste of an Ice cold Dr. Pepper. College football. It's a Pepper thing.
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What are we thinking about?
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I'm trying to think, but nothing happens. Nothing happens.
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Time to find out. This is off the top, Flash. Off the top with mat.
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Well, Myron, I'm sure at some point in your life, one of your buddies was probably saying to you, hey, I don't think that girl's worth it, man. And maybe other times in your life where you're just so set in your ways, so set in your beliefs, they might pull you aside your buddies and say, hey, the transfer portal exists, man, in whatever walk of life that we're talking about. Because right now we have two college coaches, two legendary names in the sport, one more so for NFL purposes, but now in the college football slate, and the other, a former national champion head coach that are just stuck in their ways. We're talking Bill Belichick, we're talking Dabo Sweeney, and we're talking about teams that are starting off slow in the college football season. Let's start with Hoodie man. Unbelievable. Getting blown out by ucf. And once again, the story is not necessarily about football when it comes to Bill Belichick.
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Yeah. I mean, you know, again, you can date who you want to date.
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Sure.
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Like, I don't. I don't get involved with that like two consenting adults, whatever, do, do what you want to do. But it becomes a challenge, I think, when we're talking more about that than everything else. Now, we could do that before the game started. Now that you're losing that, Belichick is struggling. This is when I think it becomes a bigger deal. This is when it becomes a more of a distraction. And I'll tell you what, people look at the NFL, it's just so different from college. The one thing I can tell you after covering collegiate Sports for almost 20 years, Andrew, is that administrators, presidents, board of trustees, athletic directors, all those people who run the show at colleges hate distractions. They hate having to answer questions about anything that's not related to sports. You know, money, investments, all that other stuff, things like this can become an issue. And I think that, to me, is why we're talking more and more about, okay, is Belichick as focused as he should be. Is he as dialed in as he should be? That might not be fair, but because of what's happening on the sidelines and him having conversations with his girlfriend before the game, which, by the way, Andrew, I don't know how many games I've covered in football and basketball and college. I've never seen anyone's partner talk to them before a game like that. It just doesn't happen. So there's a lot of things happening right now that make you question whether or not Belichick is right for even this level of football.
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Right.
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And the thing is, and to your point, you're right. Date who you want to date. But there also is the workplace environment. Like, I'm not bringing my wife around the radio station that I work at, you know, every. Every single day. The thing that's. That's questionable is would Bill Belichick. And let's go. New England prime Bill Belichick, forget UNC for a second and let's go. Brady days. Right when it was really clicking. Would he have allowed anybody, not even himself. I'm talking about anybody, a player, a staff member, anybody, to have a member of the family pregame and not pregame in the little family zone. Because we know that does exist where players go up to their wives or their girlfriends before the game starts, give a nice little kiss on the cheek, then they go out on the field. I'm talking about on the sideline. Would he have ever allowed that? We still don't know the true story as to why Malcolm Butler was benched during a Super Bowl. Right. And this is, this is a regular season game. I'm surprised that he's. And I'm not saying allowing it because they're their own people, but the fact that he's sitting going, yeah, it's okay, honey, come to the sideline. It's, it's. It's mind boggling. Boggling to me.
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Yeah. He wouldn't have let Giselle come on the sidelines.
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Sure.
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Brady was winning six Super Bowls with them. It's just not something you see. And again, you start talking about this stuff and people go, oh, well, it's because, you know, she's young and people have a problem with that. I'm just telling you, I've never seen this and I've been on many sidelines. I've never seen any family member, to your point, come up and be that close to the field before a game. You just don't see this as a storyline. Um, you don't see the, the partners, the spouses, family members being involved in anything, because every team is trying to make sure that those people are as far away as possible from the program. And Belichick, having the influence he has, goes to North Carolina, and they're like, dude, what do you want? And they gave him a blank sheet and said he can do whatever he wants to do. But here's the problem. You can do whatever you want to do, Andrew, as long as you're winning.
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Yeah.
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But as soon as you start struggling and you can't beat UCF and you're. You're. You're getting your tail kicked by teams that people expected you compete against, now it becomes an issue. I just don't see the evidence that Belichick is as locked in as we expect Bill Belichick to be. And when you add in the partner situation, it validates those questions about where he's at right now in terms of his focus.
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And then, unfortunately, times like this, you start questioning legacy, right? Like, we've seen it before. Sports is such a. What have you done for me lately? Sort of deal, right? From players to coaches to GMs to owners of teams. And we've seen it with players that try to hang on the last couple of years, it's time that they should retire. But they want those last couple of paychecks, or they just have ignored the fact that their bodies are telling themselves it's time to retire. And then, unfortunately, the conversations get sad. And this is one of these, like, sad conversations. Like, I think of. I would rather think of Bill Belichick, the evil emperor in New England, winning Super Bowls, than this. Like, I see him walking off the feel with his head down, and then he's, you know, be. You know, he's hugging his girlfriend, which is great. That's beautiful. I love, love. Love is love, man.
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Yeah.
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But this isn't the Bill Belichick that we should think about. And it's going to take some time, and we. Until we start remembering him about who he actually was now. A long time ago, all of a sudden.
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Yeah, he. He looks retired in many ways. Right? I mean, like, he's doing his own thing and. And not thinking as much about football as we're used to. Him kind of being this guy, to your point, who's obsessed with the sport, every. Every element of the sport. Like, you didn't know Bill Belichick had hobbies.
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Right?
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Like, you know what I mean? Like, you didn't know he had any interest outside of football. And now here we are. Legacy does matter. And, you know the whole Patriots thing was Robert Kraft, Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, who's going to be number one. Robert Kraft still trying to get into the hall of Fame, behind the scenes making a push to be the guy who's given credit for what the Patriots were able to do. Belichick, we know him and Brady and him and Craft. There's a world where, you know, you look at Belichick, who hasn't been a great coach, at least on the field, with the results since Brady left New England, does he finish third in the conversation when we're talking about the Patriots a hundred years from now? I don't know the answer to that, but I know that this run at UNC so far is not helping.
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Yeah, it's. It's hurting him. And of course, we know what Brady did in Tampa Bay, and that kind of put him at number one, I would imagine, in that conversation. But it is crazy how now, all of a sudden, the more and more time goes on, the further that Bill Belichick falls. Now, as more and more time goes on, Dabo Sweeney continues to ignore what's going on around him. And the Clemson loses again yesterday. Here's Dabo Sweeney talking about there's no quit in him.
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And they love each other, and that's what will get us through this, you know, so the open date's coming at a good time.
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I mean, we're beat up emotionally and.
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Physically, but we'll rally and we'll get back to work.
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So, I mean, there's certainly no quit.
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In me, and I didn't see any.
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Quit in our team or our staff.
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I'm not asking for Dabo Sweeney to quit, Myron. I'm asking for Dabo Sweeney to adapt. They lose Yesterday to Syracuse, 34 to 21. They fall to 1 and 3. The season, a year in which a lot of people thought maybe Clay Kubnick, it could help them move up toward the top. There was a lot of love for Clemson before the season even started. And now all of a sudden, you see them fall to 1 and 3, and he's still ignoring what's just happening around him. At some point, you got to go past what you believe in and see what else is out there, like transfer portals and nil money. Instead of saying, no, this is what I believe, this is what I'm going to stick with. And then you keep on hurting your program.
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Well, yeah, I mean, he thought he was bigger than the changes, right? Like, he thought that the Dabo allure, if you will, would be enough to sustain the program. It's not all the coaches who said we don't care about nil. We don't care about paying players. We don't care about the portal. Go see where they're at. They're either out of the game or they're struggling to win. Also, okay. You know these guys love the game. Who cares? You're Clemson.
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Sure.
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This is not some Disney movie you ain't in. Remember the Titans? You're supposed to be competing for championships and that is how you should be viewed. And they're not doing that because Dabble to your point has not adapted with the times.
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No, it's been bad. Kate club, by the way, 60 pass attempts yesterday. I imagine his arms a little sore right now. All right, coming up next, we'll tell you the one quarterback who is the Joel Embiid of the NFL. Oh man, this conversation is going to hit home. That's next here on Matt Meyer on ESPN Radio and ESPN App.
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The Podcast what a wild game we have today. We have Bengals, we have Vikings, we have Jake Browning versus Carson Wentz. This is Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio, the ESPN app, SiriusXM Channel 80, and it's presented by Progressive Insurance. By the way, that Bengals Vikings game will be a part of our Football Sunday doubleheader today on ESPN Radio. Bengals Vikings coverage begins at noon Eastern, followed by 49ers and Cardinals. So, Myron, a big game of backups with two teams that had playoff chances, Right. A lot of people picked the Bengals. I did not. But I know there was a lot of late love for the Cincinnati Bengals, especially once the Trey Hendrickson deal got figured out. You know what Joe Burrow has around him when Joe Burrow is on the field. And then Carson Wentz in the Minnesota Vikings, a team that we know won 14 games last year with Sam Darnold. They go to J.J. mcCarthy. They have Carson Wentz as the backup they added to the defense over the off season. So there's a lot of love for the Minnesota Vikings and the Cincinnati Bengals. And all of a sudden we're watching these two teams go up against each other with backups. And the backups, of course, are there because of the injuries to the starting quarterbacks. And you said before the show something that you firmly believe in what Cincinnati should do with Joe Burrow.
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Yeah, both sides maybe need a divorce. Right? Here's why I say that I don't think the Bengals and going to the season are going to ever spend enough money to put Joe Burrow in a position to compete for another Super Bowl. I mean, we saw that with all of the challenges they had. You look at a guy who is watching Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen Mahomes and everything that their ownership does to put them in a championship position. And that hasn't happened consistently with Joe Burrow. And then you look at the injuries. Like to me, are we watching a guy who this will be the theme, right. And if that's the case, Joe Burrow, who I think is top three, like he was my MVP last year, Andrew.
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Yep, I was with you.
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I think he was the best quarterback in football. He didn't have Lamar Jackson's numbers, but he also didn't have the supporting cast. I understand why Josh Allen won, but if it's just a guy willing his team to the brink of the playoffs, Joe Burrow to me was the MVP.
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Without Joe Burrow, the Cincinnati Bengals may have won a game last year. One. Yes, one game.
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Well, and he deserves better than, than what may be ahead with him in Cincinnati. And I think if the injuries pile up, there's an argument on the other side with the Bengals of, okay, you're not going to surround your banged up quarterback with enough talent. What does that mean? At a minimum, I think the Bengals have to think about do you have one of the better backups in the NFL? And maybe Jake Browning is that. But this is a year and we see this every year, Andrew, where if you don't have a really good backup, I think 68 backups started an NFL game last year. You're in a bad spot. And I think the Bengals have to, at a minimum, think in that direction. What happens if this is just the Joe Burrow experience and every couple of years he misses 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 games, who's right there next to him? They got to really have a plan B because this could be a situation that continues for him.
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You mentioned all those quarterback injuries from last year and we're seeing a bunch of them already this year. Jaden Daniels, Brock Purdy, J.J. mcCarthy, Joe Burrow. Here was Jeff Saturday on ESPN. Get up. Talking about the injuries to quarterbacks league wide.
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It's an extend the play mentality that has transitioned from when I was playing to what it is now. So think about Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees. It was 1, 2, 3, get the ball out of your hand, right live to play the next play was the motto. And now it is different. When I transitioned and went to Green Bay at Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy, it was extend the play. That means stay in front of your man. He's going to buy time, he's going to move in the pocket to try.
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To launch something deep.
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Well, inherently you're going to get hit like you can only stay in front of a guy for so long. He's going to come off and they're going to try to hit the quarterback because they get to one or two steps to hit them.
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So you're seeing and these, these hits tally.
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It's not like it's a one time thing, it's how many times they get hit per game per week and they just accumulate and ultimately their body breaks down.
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And of course, we know from a couple years ago when there was more and more and more rules being added to protect the quarterback, a lot of people talking about how soft the NFL has become when it comes to the quarterback position. Ultimately it's for viewership Right. You want the best quarterbacks on the field. With all due respect to Jake Browning and Carson Wentz, more people would have been excited for Joe Burrow and J.J. mcCarthy today. And so they add all these rules. How many more rules could you potentially add? Or does coaching change? To Jeff, Saturday's point about, let's just get the ball out quick instead of trying to fight for every single yard.
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Yeah. How are you going to change Joe Burrow?
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Right.
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Like how you. How many times have we said Mahomes shouldn't put himself in vulnerable spots? The great ones, you're going to let them do what they want because at the end of the day, you can have a plan all you want, but what happens when the game unfolds? Joe Burrow is going to be Joe Burrow. Can you protect him? Right. Do you have a guy like that playing in the preseason? Like, I wonder to me if we see more load management, especially in games that are. You've got a big lead. Right. Especially moments where, okay, if you go to an 18 game season. Right. That's the conversation. I think you'll see more moments where a quarterback gets a week off because you just have to find a way to get a quarterback through 17 games and no team is doing a good job of that. Every team is struggling. How many times last year were you like, is Lamar Jackson okay?
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Right, Right.
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Like every Monday there'd be a report from the Ravens like, Lamar is sick. Lamar's banged up. So I just think the entire league is grappling with this idea of you've paid these quarterbacks $300 million, 200 to $300 million. But the league is so good and the guys are so athletic and so tough. It's just hard to rely on one guy. Every. Every team in this league should have a reliable backup. And I think the best backups are going to get paid a lot of money this offseason as a result.
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Now, it's amazing all these things that you're saying, load management. Maybe it's best for a divorce for both sides. One guy's super talented, the other team can't. The team can't always rely on your health. I feel like you're talking to me specifically about Joel Embiid, man. Like, if we just change the name from Joe Burrow to Joel Embiid and we change the month from September to January or September to February, I feel like we're talking about my man, Joel Embiid. I'm in Philly, so I know all about these terms and all these Worries about should you keep on going. You know that the talent's there. You don't want to ignore the talent. You don't want to just give up on the talent. Because, like me, I'm a guy that's going down with the. The ssmb, the Titanic. Like, I am going down with the ship in Philadelphia when it comes to Joel and B. Because I know the talent's there. It's the exact same conversation.
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Dude, it is.
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Well.
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And I think. But the. You know, the Sixers have given Embiid a lot to work with. Right. They've given him James Harden, they're giving them Paul Jordan. They give him all these pieces. Whereas you look at the Bengals and the NFL is more complicated outside of a couple elite receivers, what have they given Burrow? Right, Right. Like, what have they given him consistently?
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Yeah, but it is the same thing because they did give. So Paul, George, James Harden. That's. That's. That's Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. Right?
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Yeah.
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But then you need. You need rooks. You need a six guy off the bench, which is hard, though. Seventh guy off the bench. Bench, which the Sixers never had, which is what the Bengals. It's just instead of six seventh man, it's defense. And they don't have anybody on that side of the ball other than Trey Hendrickson.
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Yeah, it's. It's an interesting situation. I think Joe Burrow's going to be 30 years old when he comes back after this latest injury. Right. I'm assuming he's out for the season. I know they're saying three months, three minimum, he's not coming back.
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If they're well below.500, why would you put him back out there?
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He's not coming back. So then you have a guy who's coming back at almost age 30. That's a big risk. You know, multiple injuries, multiple years, two out of the last three years where he's not going to finish the season. If you're the Bengals, what does that mean? At a minimum? You better go out and get someone who's a reliable backup who can be there. You know, the. Jacobe Brissette. Remember what Jacobe Brissette.
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Sure.
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Like, every year was, was behind an elite quarterback. Like, those are the kinds of guys that we ignore until moments just like this. The backup quarterback should be a bigger theme in this league because they're arguably the second most important players on every roster.
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Right. That's why it's almost smart at this point to draft a quarterback every single year, because it's Cheap, right? If you, if you draft a quarterback in the fourth or fifth round, they're a cheap option and they're the backup. And then they can grow through your system for about four years. You can hit us up at any time on the Dr. Pepper. Call in line. Triple eight. Say ESPN. That's eight at eight. Say ESPN. Coming up next, it's a football Sunday. We are your countdown to kickoff show here on Matt Myron on ESPN New York Radio. We're taking you up until 1 o'cl leaguewide. We'll continue to get you ready for week three all across the NFL here on ESPN radio and ESPN app.
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Yeah, the Kansas City Chiefs 0 and 2 to start the season. Feels like it's been forever since we said that. This is Matt and MYRON Here on ESPN Radio, the ESPN app, SiriusXM channel. LADY we are your countdown, a kickoff show as we are getting you set for the 1 o' clock slate. 4 o' clock slate, Sunday night Football. Screw it. Monday Night Football as well. And it's all presented to us by our friends at Progressive Insurance. And joining us now to talk about this upcoming slate of NFL football, the great Herm Edwards. Coach. The Kansas City Chiefs are 02. At what point? I know it's Big Red, I know it's Patrick Mahomes, but at what point do you sit there and go, huh? Maybe this could be the year where we should actually start worrying about the Kansas City Chiefs.
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I don't know if you worry about them, I think they'll find their sea legs. But I do know this. The division is much better. The Chargers are a team that if they're the chief, you're a little bit concerned with the Chargers. We know what the Denver Broncos are, and the Raiders have improved. So all of a sudden, this division is not just we're going to walk away with it. As far as the Chiefs go, they start off 02. I mean, I don't, I can't even recall the last time Patrick Mahomes was 0 and 2. I mean, that's just. You have to go back a long time for that one, right? But this is a game they play this week against the Giant team that is struggling as well. But you know, when you watch the Chiefs just not in sync on offense. I mean, Patrick Mahomes, as great as he's been, he's missed a lot of easy throws. I mean, I mean, he missed one last week, guys. I mean, the guy's 20 yards past everybody and he overthrew me by 10 yards. And I'm like, how does he do that? That's not Patrick Mahomes.
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Coach, I'm curious. You have a series of quarterbacks out today. J.J. mcCarthy in Minnesota. Your guy, Jaden Daniels, Brock Purdy, Joe Burrow. Why don't we talk more about the importance of backup quarterbacks? And when you were a coach, how much did you think about having a quality guy behind your starter?
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Well, that's critical. And this is why some of these older guys, you know, they kind of hang around, right? I mean, guys, Joe Flacco still playing, right? I mean, come on. And you know, when you think about it, Aaron Rodgers, they're in their 40s. And you know that, that if your starter goes down, he's a young guy. You got to have an old, old soldier in the room that doesn't need a lot of reps to go in the game. If he gets injured for a week or two, he can get the team through it. This is why these old quarterbacks. Look, I wouldn't be surprised if Captain America comes back. Tom Brady, I mean, you know, sit out for a couple years and all of a sudden going to be a backup somewhere.
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But who knows when it comes to the backup quarterback. Would you, when you're coming to roster building, try to build, get a quarterback that kind of resembles the guy you have. Not that I'm saying Marcus Mariota is anything like Jaden Daniels, but we know that Marcus Mariota is a guy that's mob. How much do you change your offense when you have a backup quarterback? That's not the same as your starter. The importance of it, as Myron brought.
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Up, well, the skill set of the quarterback dictates what you do and how you call the game. Right. And Mariota, you know, he's a little older now. He's still mobile, but he's not Jay Daniels. I mean, he can't make the plays Jaden Daniels can make with his leg. And they're not going to ask him to, but I think they're going to. They're going to allow him to play free in this sense, allow him to do things he's capable of doing. And he'll tell you that. He'll tell you, hey, coach, I'm not comfortable with that. And if you're the offensive coordinator, the head coach, say, what? What do you want? Tell me what you want. And that's how you build your offense.
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Coach J.J. mcCarthy has had one good quarter out of eight. Now he's injured. Carson Wentz comes in. Is it too soon if you're the Minnesota Vikings to. To wonder what you have in JJ McCarthy going forward this season?
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Beware of hasty decisions. Right. Look at some of these quarterbacks that have gone other places and kind of. They said, wow, he's that guy.
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Yeah.
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Number one guy I say all the time is Baker Mayfield. Yeah, Baker Mayfield, Right. You can't give up on quarterbacks too soon. You just can't. I mean, some of them. Some of them, you know, and then some of them bounce around for two or three years and they kind of find their way and they go, oh, okay, now. And you go, how does this guy all of a sudden did this? I didn't expect this. And so you just have to be careful, I think, with young quarterbacks and, know, bring them along, you know, just bring them along slow. Don't. Don't try to rush them. They're all different, Herm.
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Other than the backup quarterback position, I think the big storyline all week long, not outside of sports, it made national news was, of course, another week of tush push debates. What do you think the NFL should do with the tush push? Is it as simple as just getting rid of it, or is there an emphasis from officiating?
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I think at the end of the day, this might be the end of it. And I've said this, though. You know, you know how you stop it? It's real simple. This is how you stop it. Don't get into fourth and four left. That's how you stop, right? Just don't get into 4th and 2 or less on defense. You ain't got to worry about it. They ain't going to push if you're getting fourth and two or less. It's coming. And, you know, and the success rate is about 95% of the time. So you tell your team all week, hey, man, it's also, if we get into fourth and two or less, that's on us. That's bad defense. Don't. Don't get into that situation.
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Coach, I watched Trevor Lawrence and Liam Cohen going at it. Liam Cohen was yelling at him. Trevor Lawrence waved him off. I'm trying to think back to you when you were coaching. Would you have run onto the field? I mean, what would happen in that situation with you if your quarterback had waved you off like that?
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I think the personalities of a coach and quarterback, they're all different. And, you know, what is your personality? I mean, how do you guys communicate? I think it's both parties are competitive. That's just not me. You know, I wouldn't do that. That's not saying coach is not right. Whatever he needs to do to get that guy fired up, he needs to do. I do know this Trevor Lawrence, as talented as he is when he came out, guys, I mean, we thought we'd see more out of him. Is that a. Is that a correct statement?
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Oh, yeah, of course.
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Right. So I think he knows kind of two, Right. How many coaches has he had now? Three. Yeah, at least three. Right. I mean, all of a sudden, you know, you. You know, you. You. There's this thing in the league when you're a coach. It's like, hey, man, don't let that. Don't let that one player, whatever position he plays, become a, you know, become a. A coach killer. Right? Because all of a sudden they're firing coaches and they keep the player. Now he's quarterback. Now, you know, you're gonna keep him for a while. But I think. I think it was all in good jest. I think they both appreciate each other. Cause Trevor Lawrence has to. He needs to play like we thought he was going to play. Every time I see Trevor Lawrence, I go, really, man? Come on. What's wrong with this team?
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But, Coach, I watched a lot of games that you coached, and I just can't imagine a scenario where if Trevor Lawrence or any quarterback had waved you up, like, that feels like that would have been an issue. Cause to me, what does that say if you're a head coach?
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That situation, it wouldn't have been an issue with me because I wouldn't get into that situation.
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You would never go at your quarterback.
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You know, with any player. Because I was a player, and I know the emotions of a player when he's playing now, what I always got to do when I get it correct, when I needed to correct the player during the game, I waited. I actually waited. When it was the error, I waited. I didn't got get him right now. I waited till he went to the sideline. And then later on, I kind of slipped up over there and I kind of stood by him. Because here's the deal, guys. Here's what you need to know. When you're the head coach. All the cameras on you on the sidewalk. Oh, yeah. Especially when something bad has happened, right. And they're waiting for you to address the player or the situation. I would wait and then eventually walk up, stand by the guy. I would never look at him. I'd look on the field like I was watching the game, and I start talking to him. And the first thing I'd ask him is, how you doing? That's how I started. Calculation. How you doing?
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So let's. Let's stay in that division. What's more real, two and. Oh. Indianapolis Colts or 02 Houston Texans.
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Oh, boy. Indianapolis Colts, man. I mean, here's the deal, guys. Danny Dime. Isn't that what they call him? He's in New York. Danny dies, all of a sudden, he goes to a place where. Here we go. Coaching matters. Coaching matters. Especially at the quarterback position. He goes to a place and all of a sudden, he kind of finds a guy that says, okay, we're going to do this. Now, he's been beat up enough, too, probably, that he knows I'm running out of chance and it's all kind of work. The Texans, I can't. I can't.02. But here, again, the Chiefs are 0 and 2, so you know, that division is a long way from being over that division now, guys, Are you kidding me? Jaguars are 1 and 1. The Tennessee Titans, 02. Rookie quarterback, we get it. But the Colts, 2 and. Oh, that's pretty impressive, Coach.
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You think Ben Johnson's former boss ran up the score on him to prove a point? How did you see that Lions Bears game, and is that okay if he did?
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Like I said, you know, you don't want to. You don't want to score, Stop them. Yeah, that's why I said.
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So you're fine with it? Put up as many points as you want.
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Just stop them. Yeah, just stop what you got to do. Stop them. You know, I just. I don't know if he ran up the score. I think the Detroit Lions are trying to find their way. Yeah, you know, they. They didn't come out the gates, all that. Now, you know, remember I said this when they got beat last year in the playoffs by Jaden Daniels in their house when they were like, they going to the Super Bowl, Detroit Lions. Oh, yeah, okay. And Jayden Daniels went up there and beat him. Guys, it took them a couple weeks into the season this year, and then they lose their first game again. And I'm like, these dudes right now, man, they're a little shook up. They need to figure out who they are. Well, they kind of figured out who they are. I don't know if it was personal, man. We make too much of that stuff.
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Hey, coach, speaking of Jaden Daniels. Speaking of Jaden Daniels, how concerned are you about his knee injury? A mobile quarterback already dealing with a knee injury this early on in the season? How careful would you be if you're.
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Washington Barry, he's your franchise quarterback. You got. You get a guy for 10 years. And I can remember when I was coaching Jay Nice, always telling me this. I said, look, man, here's the deal. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna try to stop you from running because you're gonna do what you got to do, but you got to know when the journey's over. See you. You got to know when it's over. And there'll be a certain point where you're running with that ball, and it seems like I can make another five. Nah, slide. Get out of bounds because you got to play the next play. Quarterback has to play the next play. You. You can't be standing on the sideline with me talking about, I'm hurt. No, no, no, no, no. You can't get hurt. And so I. I think that hopefully Jake gets well here. I'll probably talk to him this week to make sure he's all right, and I'm gonna tell him the story now. Hey, know when the journey's over. Now, don't, don't, don't. Don't try to do this. You can't do it by yourself. It just. You got to play the next series of plays. That's more important than anything.
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Coach, we appreciate the time. Enjoy the NFL slate today, and we'll talk to you next week.
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Appreciate you guys. Thank you.
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There's a coach. Her medwards. All right, Coming up next here on Matt and Myron, we have a rematch of a major playoff matchup where there's a lot of snow. I'm telling you right now. I'm in the city where there's no snow right now, Myron, that's Coming up next year old Myron and Matt and Myron here on ESPN Radio and ESPN.
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Matt.
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And Myron the Podcast Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio, the ESPN app Sirius XM Channel lady your countdown to kickoff getting you set for one o' clock when we have a big rematch of the divisional round of the playoffs in Myron, I can tell you right now as I sit here in my studio in Philadelphia. I'm looking at the skyline right now, City hall, and there is no snow in the forecast. So there are no excuses for Eagles. Rams, the rematch of the divisional round of the playoffs where it came down to the wire. And of course it's not just about the game, but it's all the talking points during the offseason about how the Rams wanted the tush push band. We asked Herm Edwards about it. The only way to stop it is to not allow there to be a fourth and one or a fourth and two. We got Eagles, we got Rams. I love that in back to back weeks we get to watch the defending super bowl champions take on teams that they beat to get there. The Kansas City Chiefs last week and the Los Angeles Rams today. Where does that rank for you when it comes to early in the season, late in the season, midway through the season. Like I love getting the the entrees early on.
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No, I love them too. And I love it if you're Philly. If there were any doubts, not that there should have been after what you did to Kansas City. This just validates everything, right? You go and beat Kansas City, you open the season beating Dallas. I believe, correct me if I'm Wrong, Andrew, since September 29th of last season, the Eagles haven't lost a game with Jalen Hurts at quarterback. Yeah, they lost to Washington with Kenny Pickett.
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When he got knocked down the first quarter, he took a shot to the head and he exited the game.
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But where he finished the game. But the Rams gave them the toughest test. I think in that stretch. I mean, the Rams are right there, probably should have won that game. Right. But the Eagles showed their resilience. I think these are big games because we spent how many years saying games like this were big for Nick Sirianni and the Eagles?
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Right?
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We spent a long time saying these are the prove it games for the Eagles, and now it's for everybody else who's facing the Eagles. And I think the Rams are coming into that situation right now. It looks like Puka Nakua and Devonte Adams have to be Batman and Robin for this team to be able to compete with a team like Philadelphia. But here's another opportunity to show that they're in that championship conversation.
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Now, you mentioned doubt. Leave no doubt by beating the Kansas City Chiefs last week and hopefully beating the LA Rams for Philadelphia fans tonight or this afternoon. But I'll be honest, man, because I'm here in Philly, I'm, I'm.
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I'm.
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I'm in the weeds, man. There's still doubt when it comes to the Eagles. Why the offense? The offense has not been pretty through the first two weeks of the season. Here was Jalen Hurts earlier this week talking about just that I take accountability.
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For a lot of it and just how we go out there, because that's my job. My job is to go out there and be the general, orchestrate everything and ultimately make plays. And, you know, given the opportunities we had, you know, I'm very critical of myself of trying to make the most of what's given to us. And so there's definitely some evolution that we can do. There's definitely some things that we can grow in, but I look inward on all of those things and just want to make the most of the opportunities that we do have. And when you're able to do that and you win, when you win and you have a lot to learn from, you can. You can. You can be very critical of yourself on that. And that's something that I've. That I've done.
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And look, they're two and oh, and I try to just celebrate the fact that they're two and oh, but living in this city, there are times where people start saying, yeah, they're two and oh, but the offense hasn't done this. And look, I can't completely disagree with what people are saying. It wasn't long ago when the Eagles had one of their six straight years of different offensive coordinators where one being Brian Johnson did not work out for the Philadelphia Eagles.
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Yeah, I don't. This may be the first time I've ever said this, but Philly fans are spoiled at this point. If you're talking about being two and oh and not happy because the offense hasn't been great, how about the flip side? You're winning ugly. And clearly in this NFL you're going to have to win some ugly games. Philadelphia knows that better than anybody. Like that's a skill too. Now, the offense hasn't been incredible, but Andrew, I also feel like Jalen hurts. If you're going to compare him to the top five guys or whether or not he's top five is never going to look the part.
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Right.
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He's never going to look like Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow or some of these. He's never going to look like Jaden Daniels. He's never going to look like Lamar Jackson. That's not who he is. That's not what this offense is, no matter what. So I wonder, like when people say, okay, the offense, the passing game hasn't been great, they're not getting the running game going, they're winning ugly. But they just beat a team that has been the team of the last five, six years in the NFL. Yeah, they beat a Cowboys team that spent a lot of money to be a contender in the opening game of the season and they won those grinded out games. I think that has to come for something, especially in this league where you're going to have to win ugly sometimes.
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I think a lot of viewership in the NFL these days is fantasy driven. Right? What is my fantasy football team doing? Are my overs hitting on espn? Bet you have head coaches that are talking about explosive plays on a weekly basis. Right? Ben cares more about explosive plays than getting first downs. And the Philadelphia Eagles, their offense isn't explosive plays. Their offense isn't just all stars. Their offense is efficiency. That's what they care about. They don't want to turn the football over. Especially when you have a defense that they have that is as dominant as it was last year. And so far through two weeks we've Seen how dominant they are this year. That's something that I think people, not just in Philadelphia, but you know, everybody has to. China kind of just get used to the fact that they're efficient and they win and that's what they care about.
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Yeah. Again, I don't know who you're comparing them to. They won the Super Bowl. Right. You know what I mean? When Kansas City was wanting was winning 97 one score games in a row, whatever it is, you know, everyone say, oh, that's just. You got to win close games. It's a skill for them to win close games. That's what we said about Kansas City. And now when Philly's winning those kinds of games, people are saying, well, that offense is terrible. This isn't sustainable. They got to figure something out. They're winning and that's all that matters. And I think that would be the focus, especially two games into the season for a Super bowl champ that's still undefeated.
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Yeah, they get a couple more weeks to see what this team's all about. Yeah, I do need to see a little bit more out of the offense last week. Way too many bubble screens for me. But again, it could have just been the way they were playing it against the Kansas City Chiefs With Steve Spagnolo, Matt Myron. Presented by Progressive Insurance. Save on commercial auto insurance for Progressive. Get a fast quote@progressive commercial.com we also have Texans and Jags. You were just asking her med words against about the moment between Trevor Lawrence and Liam Cohen. Mark Zinno wants to talk about a different head coach in this matchup. D' Amico Ryan's is not a good head coach. And this is. This situation in Houston mirrors almost to a T what happened with the jets and Rex Ryan. D' Amico Ryan's hold on Rex Ryan.
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Rex Ryan at one point led them.
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To an AFC championship game. And that was because of their defense. D' Amico Ryan's neglect to the offensive side of the ball is noticeable.
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It's glaring.
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And just like the jets, they have a high level first round quarterback and the offense is being ignored to the detriment of the team. That was on Amber and Ian and Myron. He's not. I wouldn't say d' Amico Ryan's not a good coach because of it. I think that's a bit far. But the offensive line, it's just five traffic cones in front of CJ Stroud.
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Is CJ Stroud a prodigy or is he a project somebody tell me. Cause I thought he was a prodigy. In year one. That's what everyone said. And now all of a sudden, he's a project. At some point we got to look at the C.J. strouds and go, you can't have two touchdowns in two games, right? You, you can't be a guy who looks the part of a potential top five quarterback one year and then you're not that anymore. I'm looking at the quarterback position, not D' Amico Ryan. That team will go as far as C.J. stroud takes them. That, to me, is where the scrutiny should be.
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All right? Last week when you were out, I said something that made David Dennis Jr's jaw drop. We'll talk about more about that next with Mac Jones and his first second start with the 49ers today.
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Matt and.
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