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Matt Jones
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Matt Jones
Cmintmobile.com this is Matt and Myron the Podcast. So yesterday in college football was the week before the week, right? So next week is rivalry week, the Iron Bowl, Ohio State, Michigan, etc. So this is the week before. A lot of times in the SEC they play bad teams, so there wasn't a ton of big games. But we had a little bit of clarity in the College Football Playoff. Notre Dame won 70 to 7. It was a surprise when the rankings came out on Tuesday that Notre Dame was ahead of Miami even though Miami had beate Notre Dame. Looks like Notre Dame is likely now headed to the playoff. Not a lot changed yesterday besides that Georgia Tech loss. They may have gotten themselves close to eliminated, but otherwise it stayed pretty much the same. But are you still outraged, Andrew, as a lot of people are, that Notre Dame was ranked ahead of Miami even though Miami beat him during the year?
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Andrew Salchunas
No, I was actually okay with it. I mean because even though Miami won the head to head, Miami has had two worst losses than Notre Dame. And I'm looking, I look at strength of schedule and by the way, the first loss that Notre Dame had this season, we weren't even in September. It was August 31, the first loss of the season for Notre Dame on the road. Then they lose the Texas night A and M who's one of the top teams in the country. And they've rattled off nine straight wins since then and it's nine straight impressive wins. And yesterday, look, I get it. The Syracuse Orange, I feel bad for the orange, but 70 points, I don't care who you're playing, that's an impressive win and I think they needed to sort of show that they could beat down on some of the little brother opponents. So that was a good win for Notre Dame yesterday and it's nine straight weeks and they've been winning impressively.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, I normally I'm always go to head to head, but I do think context matters. The game was in Miami. Okay, I don't really care that it was in September because the games count equally. But it was in Miami. They played Texas A and M, who's undefeated. Miami's two losses are to a Louisville team that is now reeling. They're like they've lost three straight games and an SMU team that is not as good as the two teams that Notre Dame lost to. So I'm okay with it. I generally think Ty goes to the runner so you take the head to head. But I do think these are unique circumstances just because of the league and it wasn't on a neutral field. It was on Miami's home field. So I do think that matters. Otherwise, you know, Vandy stayed in, in contact for the playoff yesterday and my team played Vandy Andrew, which means I got a massive dose of Diego Pavia's mom. Diego Pavi's mom. For those of you that didn't watch Vanderbilt Kentucky yesterday and you could be forgiven if you did, literally was on tv. I would like someone to count, I'm going to venture to say 80 to 100 times during the game. She was Taylor Swift, like Taylor Swift was not even on TV half as much as Diego Pavia's mom. Theo Vaughn walked out for senior day with the family, which I also was like, what is happening? Are you in? And do you enjoy the Diego Pavia brothers, mother cousin Theo experience at Vandy?
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Andrew Salchunas
Yeah, why not? I mean, let's continue to make things bigger. That that's what I'm all about. Look, football and sports is beautiful within its surface, right? When it's just the game itself. I could sit back and just watch football all day. College, NFL, high school football, I don't care. But I'm, I'm always a fan of popping circumst. We always talk about how sports is the greatest reality TV show there is. So if you can add a little extra juice to an episode. And that's what we got out of Andy yesterday, I'm all for it.
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Matt Jones
Bring for your mom. You've seen the video?
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Andrew Salchunas
Yes, I have.
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Matt Jones
Would you be for your mom with the, with the boot high, like the, the knee high boots and the jeans and the like mugging for the camera? Would you. Would. How would. First of all, I can't fathom a world where my mother would do that. But would you be, would you be good with.
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Andrew Salchunas
I mean, maybe Sunday morning when I'm waking up after partying all night after winning a big football game, I probably wouldn't be. But Saturday I'm, I'm in between the lines. I'm not worried about what mom's doing.
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Matt Jones
So when you saw the video the next day, though, you'd be fine. Yeah.
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Andrew Salchunas
And then I would probably flip my phone upside down and go for a walk and clear my head a little bit.
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Matt Jones
Not think about it.
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Andrew Salchunas
Exactly. Listen, they're living their best life right now.
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Matt Jones
If you haven't seen the videos, you just need to go watch the. The Diego Pavia mom experience was quite a roller coaster yesterday.
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Andrew Salchunas
Well, her son threw five touchdown pass.
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Matt Jones
I understand my team was on the losing end, but there was a lot of this going. Mom, people are watching. That's that, you know, I mean, there was. There was a lot happening. I'll tell you a game I did enjoy. I didn't know this happened. That when Cal place Stanford, when the game is over, seemingly the two schools take the dorkiest students that they have when the game is over and do a face off. I've never seen. I'd never seen this before. They take the dorkiest students and then if one team has beaten the other, they hand. What's the trophy, James? An axe. Yeah, it's an ax. Yeah. They hand the ax to the other side while looking serious. It is. It is the nerdiest thing I've ever seen. But. But yesterday it got interrupted with a Stanford player who seemed to want to beat up all of the cow nerds. Again, an amazing video. Andrew, tell me you've seen it.
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Andrew Salchunas
I did not see this one. No, I. I must have missed this one.
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Matt Jones
It was unbelievable. Unbelievable. The nerd handoff. Do you like the idea that in a rivalry game, the students of each team, the students at the college, just have to basically submit to the other students and say, you are, you. You are.
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Andrew Salchunas
I'm all for that. Look, any. Any sort of historic rivalry, I don't care if you're part of the chess team or if you're a part of the football team.
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Herm Edwards
Right.
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Andrew Salchunas
It brings everybody together, and that's what sports should be all about, especially college football when you have. When you have school pride. I'm a Temple Owl.
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Herm Edwards
All right.
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Andrew Salchunas
Like there. There's not much great football in the city of Philadelphia when it comes to the college slate. Like, for people to really enjoy college football around here, they have to go to Penn State, like three hours west of where Philadelphia actually is, and then we pretend that it's a Philly school. I'm all for it. Any sort of rivalry, any sort of history that you can have with your school, I think that's great. Get everybody involved.
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Matt Jones
The nerd standoff of Cal Versus Stanford is. I love the idea. I want to know where they recruit these nerds. Okay, listen, you all from the science club, you're going to have to hand the ax off. And oh, by the way, a huge lineman from the team may get in.
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Andrew Salchunas
Your face because he's pissed off because he didn't lose.
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Matt Jones
You may. So just be careful when you come. And then Bill Belichick loses yesterday in his rivalry game to Duke. It now guarantees no bowl game for Belichick. Are you. Do you think he is back next season for a second bite at the apple in Chapel Hill?
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Andrew Salchunas
No. Unless UNC cares about the drama that we just talked about a few minutes ago. Maybe they do like being the face of college football for all the wrong reasons. But. No, I don't think so. I mean it was. It was a disaster from the beginning, right? With everything.
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Matt Jones
I mean they got better is the one football games.
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Andrew Salchunas
But when I say disaster, I mean. I mean with everything with. With the girlfriend. With all due respect, they give him.
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Matt Jones
A lot of money if they fire him. I mean, I kind of think if he wants to come back, he will. They can't. I mean that's 30 some million dollars they'd have to pay.
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Andrew Salchunas
Yeah, but do they want to deal with all the pomp and circumstances? I mean there's a lot to. I mean, we have family members now. Now dropping ultimatum. Ultimatums. I saw a story this morning in the New York Post. All of a sudden we have the. The daughter in law of Bill Bel ultimatum.
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Matt Jones
Are you telling me you don't enjoy the Jordan Hudson thing? Like I think it's been a great. You say you like pomp and circumstance. It's been the best pomp and circumstance in college football this year.
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Andrew Salchunas
Yeah, but unc's. Look, I understand you cannot be pro.
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Matt Jones
Diego Pavia mom and anti Jordan Hudson.
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Andrew Salchunas
Yeah, but Diego Pavi's mom's not impacting his play by any means. I got Bill Belichick going to the cheerleader competitions and I don't. I understand that coaches have lives. I understand that coaches don't just sit in a room all day and design plays adult cheerleading.
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Matt Jones
Adult cheerleading.
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Andrew Salchunas
Adult.
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Matt Jones
Yes, it's adult co ed rec cheering. Don't understand. Give Jordan Hudson the respect. She. Maybe he was.
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Andrew Salchunas
Maybe he was scouting at the adult cheerleading competition. Maybe there was a football game down the road.
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Matt Jones
I was actually kind of. I saw the video. They're pretty good for just like people who just live in Raleigh and don't do it for a living. I mean, that's pretty. Like I lived in Raleigh. I did not realize that like the banker down the street could flip like that. I had no idea that in Raleigh they were that good at like YMCA cheerleading.
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Andrew Salchunas
I would say the most impressive person in the adult cheerleading is the guy that can actually hold up the cheerleading. He was amazing. They never stopped working out. They did not graduate.
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Matt Jones
Guy right there literally is like an accountant and he is up there holding people up. Good for the Raleigh Adult Cheerleading Rec League off the Top was brought to you by ESPN BET Sportsbook. Download the app today 21plus. If you have a gambling problem, call 1-800-GAMBLER the biggest story in college football, though, is a young man in Oxford, Mississippi who did hot yoga in the morning and has the world wondering where he's going to do it next season. Where is Lane Kiffin going to coach that in the NFL? Next here on Matt Myron, Matt and Myron, the Podcast.
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Matt Jones
Well, we will find out if he is tangled up in blue when what shade it will be Lane Kiffin. It's Matt Myron on ESPN Radio presented by Progressive Insurance. Andrew Salchunas and I ready to go. Count you down to kickoff. Lane Kiffin yesterday did Ole Miss play? Did they play some terrible team or were they. They were off. Okay, so we got a week of speculation before the egg bowl coming up this weekend, there are reports that Lane Kiffin may have a job offer up to $98 million from LSU. Florida fans still hanging on to the fact that his family came and toured Gainesville. And then there's Ole Miss. People hoping he'll stay. The game is Friday. The athletic director put out a statement saying, hey, everybody, let's focus on the game. We can talk about all where he's going on Saturday, which is like, nobody's going to do that. Andrew, if you were Lane Kiffin, what would you do? And then what do you think he's going to do?
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Andrew Salchunas
What I would do, I would go to Florida. If I could make the Gators come back to college football relevancy where they are a top program in the ncaa, that's what I would do. Because what he's been able to accomplish at Ole Miss over the years, I would imagine that he could do that with even more recruiting classes, more nil money, much more to work with at his disposal with the Florida Gators. What will he do? I would see him more so going to lsu, because the same could be said about the LSU Tigers.
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Matt Jones
Yeah. Why would you take Florida over lsu? I mean, like, Baton Rouge as a place to me is more desirable than Gainesville as a place. But do you. Why would you want. Because.
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Andrew Salchunas
Because lsu, it's not like it's been all that long since they've been relevant.
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Matt Jones
That's true. They've had a lot of guys win titles there. Right.
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Herm Edwards
And.
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Andrew Salchunas
And I understand winning titles is probably important for Lane Kiffin. Money's important for Lane Kiffin. But if you go to Florida and you're the guy that brings them back, because they were supposed to be brought back with DJ Lagway and it just. It just didn't work.
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Matt Jones
No, they've had a bunch. They've had Zook, they've had Napier. They had the one guy who always was angry, what's his name, that then went to South Carolina.
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Andrew Salchunas
I know you're.
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Matt Jones
Who was it. His head was always about to explode. They had that guy, too. Anyway, they've had a bunch of guys try.
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Andrew Salchunas
And if you're the guy that. That brings them back and gets them to the college football champ and. Yes, must. Champ. Thank you. And. And you've. You've already seen what he's been able to do with Ole Miss. Imagine if he's able to do that with Florida with more at his disposal. I think that's something for. For anybody's pride for what they do. And again, you want to be known as the guy, the guy that brought back the Florida Gators. I think that would be pretty cool.
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Matt Jones
So I was going to make the case lsu. The case being, I think lsu. Best atmosphere in college football, in my opinion. I think you. When you get it rolling there, you can really get it rolling. The whole Louisiana, A lot of guys want to be there, close to New Orleans, all that. Is there any case, though, to stay in Oxford? Like, is there any case that. Why go to one of these when you could be in Oxford, win eight or nine every year, and they will one day name the stadium after you.
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Andrew Salchunas
Yeah, I mean, it sounds great to be the. To be the hero. Like, I'm going to. I'm going to go to basketball hero real quick. Like Damian Lillard, right? He could have stayed in Portland his entire career and he would have been the mayor of Portland, right? But he realized, oh, I want to try to win, and I'm not going to win here in Portland, so I'm going to go to Milwaukee. And he quickly realized, I'd rather be the mayor of Portland than stay here in Milwaukee. So to your point, Lane Kiffin could just stay in Ole Miss forever. And. And to your point, they're going to name the stadium after him. But if he really, truly, truly wants to try to win the national title, do you think Ole Miss is going to win?
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Matt Jones
No, I. You know what I think the analogy is? Is, like, when John Caliperi was at Memphis, he could keep that role in there, right? I mean, they made the national championship game, but there was a part of him that felt the need to be at a Kentucky, right. Like he needed. Yeah, I can make Memphis really good, but there's just something about the Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina thing that I need to be a part of. The question is, is that Lane Kiffin, right? I mean, he's. He's tasted it. He's been at Tennessee, right. He's been at usc, right? Like, he's tasted that. Does he want to stay in a place where he can have immense success, but it'll always kind of be like, one notch below, or does he want to feel that? Like, I want to be where the greats have walked. And Andrew, I think. I think he kind of does that just seems like what his personality is.
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Herm Edwards
But we'll.
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Matt Jones
We'll see, right?
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Andrew Salchunas
And that's why Florida or LSU's that next step.
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Matt Jones
Like, they both make a lot of.
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Andrew Salchunas
Saw what he's able to build with Florida Atlantic. You saw what he's able to do with Ole Miss. Could you imagine if he goes that next step and he's. Yeah, I'm.
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Matt Jones
That he had a shot. He had the Tennessee Job. He had the USC job now, but he was very young, right? Like, he was very young. It seems like this is a more grounded, meditating, hot yoga lane that seems. I mean, he's already like, you know.
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Andrew Salchunas
He could do his hot yoga outside in Florida.
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Matt Jones
Right?
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Andrew Salchunas
He could just do that.
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Matt Jones
He wouldn't even have to go in the room. All right, let me ask you this. There's a very good chance they make the playoff if they win the Egg Bowl. If they don't win the Egg bowl, they may not. But if they make the. If they win the Egg bowl, they make the playoff. What happens if he takes the LSU job and he made the playoff? If you're Ole Miss, do you have him coach or not?
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Andrew Salchunas
Yes, I would have him coach.
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Matt Jones
Even though he's the old. The LSU coach?
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Andrew Salchunas
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
You would have him coach the playoff.
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Andrew Salchunas
It's one of the things that bothers me about college football, and I understand it. Recruiting starts day one, right? The second you get a job, you start recruiting. You want to be the guy that gets there, gets out in front. But if you're Ole Miss, if Lane Kiffin's leaving you, are you getting to the College Football Playoff next year? Probably not.
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Matt Jones
Yeah. Nobody wants to take that job.
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Andrew Salchunas
Right? Exactly. Once he leaves, you're. You're. You're done. So if you're Ole Miss, you go, hey, Lane, with all. With all due respect, thank you for. For getting that job. Can you get the job done here first?
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Andrew Salchunas
Let's make this happen here first.
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Matt Jones
Do you think that would work? Do you think a team that knows he's gone, you think they go and show up and win?
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Andrew Salchunas
Every senior wouldn't care.
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Matt Jones
The seniors would not care.
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Andrew Salchunas
Every sophomore junior can look at money. And every freshman and the transfer portal. We know that and every. So you would keep him?
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Matt Jones
You would keep him at that?
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Andrew Salchunas
Yes, I would. I would. Because this is your chance.
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Matt Jones
What he says to you as the id. All right, I'm going to prepare. During the day, I'm recruiting for lsu. At night, I'm recruiting against Old Miss.
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Andrew Salchunas
Yeah, but it makes you still.
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Matt Jones
You're still keeping it.
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Andrew Salchunas
You don't want your season to end right away. He got you there. He's part of the reason why you're there. So I would try to strike. Why are the irons hot? Because you know it's going to cool off after the season's over.
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Matt Jones
It's interesting because every success they have in the playoff would be a billboard for LSU or Florida.
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Andrew Salchunas
Absolutely. It would be.
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Matt Jones
It would. It would be like, look what I'm doing at Ole Miss. Come for me to lsu.
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Andrew Salchunas
Yeah, but even if he leaves Matt, it's still a billboard. He was the reason why they got here.
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Matt Jones
It's fascinating. If he ends up taking another job, I'm making my prediction. James, write this down. He will go on game day next Saturday and make the announcement on game day, whatever it is. That's my prediction. Matt Jones from Matt, Myron is calling my shot right now. That that's what he's doing. We'll head to the NFL. Get what you're ready for the week that's next Matt and Myron the Podcast.
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Matt Jones
Matt Meyer here on ESPN Radio, presented by Progressive Insurance. He is Philly's own Andrew Salt Tunis. I am Matt Jones and let's get going with my man Herm Edwards in here. Looking sharp in the morning off a Good Morning America. He is the George Stephanopoulos of sports. And let's get started with this. Herm. The Chiefs and the Colts play today. New money, old money, right? Like this is the new leaders of the NFL versus the old ones. I look at the Chiefs, they're 5 and 5, yet all their stats are better. The, their offense is better. I think at times they look better, but their record is worse because last year they were 11 and one in one score games and this year they're oh and five. Do you think the Chiefs are still a contender to win it or does that, Owen, five matter to you?
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Herm Edwards
It matters because you know, it, it. I'm not counting them out. You got to knock them out. They're five and five and they're, they're, they're hovering. They're just hovering.
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Matt Jones
How do you explain though, they're like stats being essentially the same or better, but the record being so much different?
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Herm Edwards
Because we have always said this. More games are lost than won. More games are lost than won in the NFL. And when you think about the games they've lost, those are all the ones they won before.
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Matt Jones
But why do you think that's different?
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Herm Edwards
It's just, you know what? I say this, they're tired, okay? They're a tired football team. Now, they won't say that, but they are. Because this is what happens when you're a team like the Chiefs the last three years. You wear down because you get everyone's best game. Everyone's excited about playing, it's almost like college football. When you play the number one team in college, it's like it doesn't matter who you're playing. Those kids get excited. Well, the same thing in the NFL. You say, we're playing the Chiefs, man, you know, if we can beat the Chiefs, we're gonna, you know, we're a good team because. And so that's what they're getting. They're getting everybody's best game, man. Everybody gets excited about Patrick Mahomes. We're playing Mahomes and we're playing the Chiefs, you know, and they're just tired.
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Matt Jones
They, they.
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Herm Edwards
How many extra games have those guys played in the last three years?
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Matt Jones
Yeah, that's true.
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Herm Edwards
Right.
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Matt Jones
And they always get the marquee one. James was saying they've only put, this is only their second game at one o' clock all year. Yeah.
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Herm Edwards
So it's just, you know, you get tired, man. It's hard to say that, but it's just a fact.
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Andrew Salchunas
Now The Eagles are 8 and 2. Yeah, Herm, but the Eagles offensively. Are you saying the same thing about the Eagles, that they're always getting the opposing team's best? Or do you think there's something going on with this Eagles offense? More so than just fatigue, More so than just opponent? And that's why they're scoring 16 points, 10 points. Having Goose eggs in halfs.
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Herm Edwards
Yeah, no, they're a different team. I mean, first of all, Barkley last year was what he had. He had 5, 5.8 yards of carry. This year it's 3.8. Okay, facts are the facts. We knew after a 2,000 yard rushing, he was not going to run for 2,000 yards. It wasn't going to happen. He's got, he might get a thousand. He's got 662 yards. Right. This year he got four touchdowns.
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Matt Jones
That's it.
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Herm Edwards
So you got to live with that part of it. Then you got to live with the other side of it. You know, the guy that wants all the, all the balls. I mean, you know, you look at.
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Matt Jones
Him and you don't like these wide receiver divas. Very clear about that.
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Herm Edwards
But watch this one. Watch this one. So last year he had 67 catches, 4,079 yards, seven touchdowns. This year he's got 38 for 457, three touchdowns. So he's what, 29 away from catching his 67. But the production is not the same when he catches the ball. Barkley's production is not the same when it catches the ball. So Everybody's saying, what's wrong with the offense? Nothing. Same offense. It's just not as explosive as it was last year. I don't know why that is. I said it last week. You remember what I said? This offense is like in Philly and then on the east coast when in the rain and the snow, you get potholes and it's like a pothole offense. It goes smooth for a while and it goes boom, boom. Then it hits the pothole. Oh, man, I just messed up. I just messed my rim up on my car.
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Matt Jones
Yeah.
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Andrew Salchunas
I mean, there's flat tires with this offense.
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Herm Edwards
It's potholes. They hit potholes in holes.
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Matt Jones
All right. That's gonna be my phrase for Eagles this year, potholes.
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Herm Edwards
But here's the. Here's the. Here's the thing, though, about the Eagles. The one thing that's consistent. I love a guy is the quarterback.
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Matt Jones
He's never. You do. You've all. You've all. You've been big on Jaylen for a long time.
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Herm Edwards
He ain't. He ain't phased by it, man.
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Matt Jones
Herm Edwards is in the Jaylen Herz fan club.
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Herm Edwards
I am a fan. Because he doesn't care about stats. He doesn't care about the noise. He just finds a way to win games.
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Matt Jones
All right, what about the Josh Allen fan club? You remember last week I was in Buffalo, I watched.
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Matt Jones
Been to two games this year. I would argue I've been to the two best games in the NFL. Bengals, Bears, a few weeks ago, and then Bills, Tampa. So I've been. I'm a good luck charm. I enjoyed it. But then that same team I watched in Buffalo look like a different team in Houston on Thursday. Do you just write that up to. Well, it's a Thursday night. You have to go on the road four days. Or are you still. Are you like. Well, the Bills just maybe don't have it this year of consistency to get to the Super Bowl.
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Herm Edwards
Look, I didn't think they were going to get to super bowl anyway.
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Matt Jones
Because you weren't a fan even last week.
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Herm Edwards
Oh, you know, because they're playing with him. One man band. They're playing with Superman. He's tired. Come on. They got the runner Cook. Their best receiver is Shador, right?
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Matt Jones
You're. You're not. You're all these guys and they're tired. You just think everybody needs a Shakir, right?
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Herm Edwards
He's the best receiver, by the way. He's a free agent.
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Matt Jones
He is, Yes.
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Herm Edwards
I always say when you see. When you see The Buffalo. It's amazing how they win games.
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Matt Jones
Yeah.
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Herm Edwards
Because they got Superman. He put this cape on, but he's. He's worn out. I mean, he has no help, guys. When he breaks the hut, when he breaks the huddle on offense, and you're a defensive player, you're going, who we got? Oh, we gotta stop guy 17. We stop him. That's it. There's no. There's no one else. I mean, who else? I mean, no one runs fury like I play corner when I play them.
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Matt Jones
I cover any of these guys.
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Herm Edwards
I step out there and go, we're good, man.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, we're good.
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Herm Edwards
Just keep the quarterback in the. In the pocket. Make him throw from the pocket. Don't let him run all over the place and just make plays that we can't. That we. We can't practice against.
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Andrew Salchunas
Right.
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Herm Edwards
Because that's what he does. And then you look at the defense.
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Matt Jones
And you go, yeah, they're bad.
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Herm Edwards
Coach, Coach, stop. It's like, why? How do they win these games? Because of the quarterback. And the fans will get mad. They'll say, oh, the quarterback, no, no. Without him. Without him.
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Matt Jones
Guys, it is interesting. I listened to their post game shows while I was sitting in traffic waiting after the game, hard on Josh Allen, which is kind of crazy to me. They are nuts.
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Herm Edwards
They don't know how good they got it.
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Matt Jones
It really is like the. Andrew, the guys like you in Buffalo and the callers are kind of harsh on Josh Allen. It really surprises.
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Herm Edwards
You know what? Okay, send him somewhere else. See what happens to you. See how many games you win on that one. They've been fortunate to have that guy. They've had some good quarterbacks now, but he's special, guys.
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Andrew Salchunas
Hey, Herm. Browns Raiders in week 12. Doesn't really sound like such a fun game, but we know that it's the debut start for Shador Sanders. What would you say to Shador Sanders going into this game where, you know, even though eyes aren't really on Cleveland versus Vegas, but eyes are on Shador?
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Herm Edwards
Yeah, and we were talking about that earlier on. I was on another station over there on the radio show over there. Espn. Espn. Not another station. I'm sorry, espn.
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Matt Jones
Espn. Well, I mean, this is espn.
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Herm Edwards
Well, I know that, but I'm just taping another segment.
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Matt Jones
Oh, okay.
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Herm Edwards
I said another station, and that's not right. CSPN worldwide leader. And I know this. And I've known Shador since he's a little kid when we used to coach the Under Armour All American Games. Dion was a Secondary coach for both teams. And he was running around in right. And can you imagine the pressure on him? There's a lot of pressure on him. Why does it's Dion suck? And he handled it in Colorado very well. His first. You know, he gets to play against his first game last week, and all of a sudden the game was really fast. He didn't realize how fast it was because he played in the preseason. So now he's had a week of practice. He has some preparation how that works out for him. He's not playing the Ravens, by the way. He's playing the Raiders, which is a shame. What? These guys aren't relevant anymore, and they need to be because that's important to the league. So I think he'll fare better, you know, against them. He'll be more calm because of. He's played a game now. But, I mean, he has a high, high expectations because he's Dion's son. Right.
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Matt Jones
But, yeah, I mean, I got a question for you. Yeah. All right. So this is like, you're a former player coach. This is me just wanting to know because I. I didn't play anything. I wasn't good at anything except, like, golf. So I.
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Herm Edwards
So golf's hardest sport to play. So that means if you a good golfer, that. That's. This.
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Matt Jones
That's why I consider myself one of the better athletes. There you go on espn. So. So I. After the game was over, we went into the locker room to do interviews with the Bills. I've never been. Because like this in college, they don't let you go in the locker room, right? So I hadn't been in the locker room. So I walk in the locker room, NFL locker room for the Bills. Here's what I don't understand. I'm expected to interview these men, and they are naked, but, like, they are just butt naked. Like, they just walk around naked. What is it with. What is it with these NFL guys that they're just walking around naked with the media?
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Herm Edwards
I have no idea. Because here's the problem. When they let women in there for. First of all, I can remember in Philly, look, I. That wasn't the case.
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Matt Jones
I mean, you made them put clothes on, right?
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Herm Edwards
Well, no, I was a player in Philly, and I'm like, you know, and I saw some players doing that. What are you doing, man? I mean, one of the guys I.
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Matt Jones
Looked at and said, I'll wait for you to put clothes on. And he said, don't worry about it. Yeah, I'm good. What. What?
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Herm Edwards
I don't know why guys do that. I mean, I don't even know why the organization would just say, man, look, we, we got to be professionals when we do this.
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Matt Jones
Now, I, you, you're there in Philly, like, no other sport does that except the NFL.
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Andrew Salchunas
No, no other sport. You're right. Maybe we go towel policy.
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Herm Edwards
I mean, we always said wear a towel, man, you know, what are you.
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Andrew Salchunas
Doing, by the way? Like, there's cameras everywhere. There was a photo a couple years ago of Carson Wentz walking behind a camera shot. Yes. And you're wondering, yo, dude, like, I.
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Matt Jones
Did a great interview with, with one of those guys, and we couldn't use it because nudity was just walking behind.
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Herm Edwards
Well, here's the next thing. Some of these guys, you need to cover that stuff up. Three fourths of them, you need to cover it up. It ain't like you. It ain't like, like you have this beautiful body because you don't see. That's the problem I got with guys. I go, man, come on, man.
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Andrew Salchunas
Hey, big lineman need love it too.
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Herm Edwards
Nobody want to see that, man. No one wants to see what's in your trunk, man. Just cover it up her, man. I don't want to come in there as a head coach looking at that mess like, come on, man.
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Matt Jones
I totally went through. I tell you what, I'm 71 years.
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Herm Edwards
Old and I still got abs.
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Matt Jones
No, you do not. You stop that. I don't want to hear this. I promise not sit here.
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Herm Edwards
I got 4% body fat.
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Matt Jones
I promise you. You're out here.
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Herm Edwards
All right, all right, all right.
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Matt Jones
What is it with you people? Over 70 things like, I got abs.
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Herm Edwards
I have abs. I promise you, anybody that see me with my shirt off, players, they'll tell you, oh, man, Coach, he still ripped.
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Matt Jones
Still ripped. So whatever them dudes are doing in.
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Herm Edwards
The NFL, I have no idea. But keep your clothes on, man. Just keep your clothes on, man.
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Matt Jones
Herb Edwards, he's got abs.
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Andrew Salchunas
I do.
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Matt Jones
He's ESPN's NFL analyst.
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Herm Edwards
I am proud of that.
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Matt Jones
A.B.
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Herm Edwards
Herman, thank you very much.
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Matt Jones
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Matt Jones
Jelly Roll. Thank goodness. Matt Myron, counting you down to kickoff. I actually need to be nice. I met Jelly Roll, like about a year ago at a concert, which I didn't want to be at, but he actually was really nice. And I don't, you know, Andrew, I'm not, I'm not. I don't like this kind of music. But he was really, really nice. Like, as nice as he came off on tv was actually nicer in person. So, yeah, I gotta, I gotta be nice to him.
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Andrew Salchunas
And that's the. One of the problems with us doing sports talk for a living is you feel a certain way about a player and then you meet them in person. You're like, damn.
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Matt Jones
Or it can go the other way. Or if you like a play, like, sometimes you don't want to meet your heroes. Like, I really like. When I was a kid, I really liked Dwight Yoker. You know, couldn't be as fast as you, you know him. That's maybe a little before your time. But I really like Dwight Yocum and Dwight Yoakum. Then I met him and he's just the worst.
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Andrew Salchunas
Not a good.
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Matt Jones
Now I can. I still like his music, but like, he. It's. It's hard to separate that sometimes.
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Andrew Salchunas
Yeah, it's a problem. It's better when it's the other way. When, when you thought you didn't like a person, then you find out you really like them. You feel bad about everything you said in the past. This is good.
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Matt Jones
I have some Jelly Roll quotes that I'd like to take back. Matt Myron's. Presented by Progressive Insurance. Save on commercial auto insurance from Progressive. Get a fast quote@progressive commercial.com now. The Steelers play the Bears today, which of course, Aaron Rodgers. I'm a Bears fan. Aaron Rodgers has owned my team for years. But we'd like to get him before he retires to the Ayahuasca farm. Dan Graziano tweeted this morning. This is From Dan Graziano, ESPN report quote, Aaron Rodgers arrived at Soldier Field about 20 minutes ago, walked one lap around the field, flipped off a couple of the cameras that were filming him, and went back inside. He used his right hand to flip the bird, so unclear if he could do it with his left. Status for today's game, still up in the air. That's a pretty awesome tweet, not gonna lie.
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Andrew Salchunas
Yeah, that's a great tweet. And of course, it's Rogers flipping people off. That's just Rogers being Rogers. And he's gone up against the Chicago Bears, man. So now all of a sudden, we got the Green Bay connection from way back, or it doesn't feel like it's been way back, but been many years for Aaron Rodgers. Between the injury in New York and then the one year where he actually played, it was a mess. And this year's just been kind of okay with the Pittsburgh Steelers. There hasn't been much Rogers drama.
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Matt Jones
No, there hasn't. But. So first of all, I don't think he would play today if it was anyone but the Bears. I think he has his. His dislike of the Bears is like his dislike of the mainstream media. Like. Like he, he is. He is very anti Bear. So I think if he anybody but the Bears, he probably sits at well.
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Andrew Salchunas
Or he's looking at Baltimore right behind them in the standings and they're playing the jets today. So you would imagine Baltimore 6 and 5, because with all due respect, but.
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Matt Jones
That game against Baltimore is going to be one of their most important games of the year. So you could make an argument that would actually make sense for him to sit this game out and focus for the Baltimore one. But I do think that, like, this is a huge one for him because of the Bears part. On the other side, the Bears, you know, that's my team. So I'm trying to be objective. I don't want to get my heart broken, but I've now watched them three or four straight weeks going back to the Bengals game, the Raiders game. They've had many opportunities to do what the Bears do, which is blow games, and yet they have found a way to win in a way that the last few years they've lost. Are they for real to you?
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Andrew Salchunas
So here's how I look at the Chicago Bears this season. I look at them the same way I looked at the Washington commanders last year. And it's actually kind of fitting that you have Jaden Daniels and Caleb Williams picks 1 and 2 in the NFL Draft from a couple of years ago reversed. Obviously, you have the Bears Winning all these one score games. And if you go back to the commanders last year they won games by the skin of their teeth. They get to the playoffs, they win a playoff game and then they go to Detroit. Now Detroit was banged up, but they beat the Lions on the road, which is impressive. Then the Eagles spanked them in the NFC championship.
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Matt Jones
They got to the NFC championship. As a Bears fan, if that were to happen, I'd be dancing so I.
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Andrew Salchunas
Could see the Bears continuing to win games, very tight games in the regular season, maybe winning a playoff game. I don't know if they hold on to win that division. Right. I still think Detroit finds their way back on top. But if you're a Bears fan, you should be thrilled right now because this is year one. I understand Caleb Williams played last year. This is year one with, with Ben Johnson. Nobody thought that Matt Eberfloos was going to be the guy moving forward alongside Caleb Williams. So I think this is the true year one for the Chicago Bears. And this is a pretty damn good start start for your squad.
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Matt Jones
I mean part of what makes me happy about it is it looks like you have a competent coach. Right. They, I mean I. Who knows what it'll be long term. But he's clearly competent. He does I think a really good job. He's gotten the best out of Caleb. So all of those things I think are very positive. I agree with you about the one score games but you can go back to last year. The Bears lost six one score games. So maybe you argue that like things are evening now. Obviously the Chiefs are the best example about this one were 11 and one in one score games last year. Oh and five this year. So sometimes, sometimes it evens out. I think this is a huge game for the Bears. If you look at their schedule, it gets harder like now.
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Andrew Salchunas
Oh yeah.
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Matt Jones
So this is one that if you want to make the playoffs, this is a big one. Especially if Rogers doesn't play. If Rogers doesn't play and you end up with Mason, Rudolph, Andrew, you have to win this game. If you're the Bears.
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Andrew Salchunas
Yeah. Because Detroit's right behind you still. Green Bay is right behind you still. We'll see what nine and the Minnesota Vikings can do. I know they're on the outside looking in but that, that NFC north back to back years where there's three teams that are fighting for playoff spots just like we saw last year. They need to start piling up wins against teams that they can beat. Two and a half point favorites. We have, we have some breaking news.
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Matt Jones
Okay. ESPN radio breaking news. I don't know what this is going to be. I'm excited. What is it?
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Andrew Salchunas
Aaron Rodgers, inactive today.
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Matt Jones
Oh, wow. Yes. All right, now you get my live reaction. Eat it, Aaron. No, I mean, I hope you're okay. I mean I don't want him to be like, actually it's his left wrist. That's fine. Maybe that's how people say, you know how people say like I don't want an injury. I don't want to play against team with an injury. When it comes to a non serious left wrist injury with Aaron Rodgers against my team, Andrew, I'm cheering it. I'm glad.
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Andrew Salchunas
And for you again, for your, for, for your Bears, this is a game in which they need to start winning football games. Because you got the Eagles on Black Friday. You're in Lambeau against the packers the following week. If they want to try to sneak in. Well, not even sneak in because they're, they're ahead.
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Matt Jones
No, this is big. You're exactly right. Eagles next Friday. You can't expect us to win that game. So I, this is, this is a big one. All right, let's go quickly to the jets and the Ravens. You mentioned it. Ravens, they were one in five. Now they're five and five. Choo choo. The train is coming a little bit. Are you, are they starting to matter to you?
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Andrew Salchunas
I never lost belief at 1 in 5. I said here on ESPN and back in my station here in Philly that they would still win the division because I just didn't trust the Steelers.
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Matt Jones
Well, they were still the odds on.
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Andrew Salchunas
Favorite, which is amazing.
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Matt Jones
Right.
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Andrew Salchunas
But with or without Rogers, I don't really trust that Steelers team all that much. You knew the Bengals were pretty much done the second Joe Burrow goes down. So the fact that Vegas agreed and you look at their schedule there, there are winnable games, including today and if the Steelers lose tonight or today against your Chicago Bears, now all of a sudden they're tied record wise for first place in the AFC north. Because I expect that to happen today. I expect the Baltimore Ravens to take care of business against the Jets.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, I do too. And like you said, that then sets up next week. The Steelers probably Aaron Rodgers would then play the Steelers and the Ravens for first place in that division. They play again at the end of the year too. They still have, they still have two games against each other. So there is a lot, a lot there. What a, what a perfect timing. For breaking news, we're talking about it, it happens. Maybe they're getting a live reaction throwing Herms abs. This was a great 30 minutes here on Bat Matt and Myron the Podcast. This episode is brought to you by Athletic Brewing Co. No matter how you do game day, on the couch, in the crowd, or manning the snack table, Athletic Brewing fits right in with a full lineup of non alcoholic beer styles. You can enjoy bold flavors all game long.
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