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Matt Myron
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Myron
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Matt Myron
By the way, for those of you that agree with me that the sprinting coaches were the most annoying. Been a bad year for sprinting coaches out there. It has. James Franklin already fired. Dabo Sweeney lost yesterday at home to Duke and is now 3 and 5. I finally get vengeance on the coaches that spread during the game. It's Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio, presented by Progressive Insurance. I am live in Cincinnati, Ohio. That's exactly right. Bears and Bengals. I'm at the Holy Grail on the banks of the Ohio river where I'm going to Bears and Bengals. My team, the Bears, playing here close to my city in Kentucky. Myron is back home. And Myron, there's a huge crowd of Bengals fans here looking mildly depressed. Bears fans. I've seen two people dressed as Mike Ditka already this morning. Does any fan base have an allegiance to an old coach more than the Bears do with Mike Dicker? There can't be one, right?
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Myron
No, no. I mean he, I mean, there have been SNL skits and, you know, movies and stuff, but I mean, it's been 40.
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Matt Myron
It's been 40 years since he coached and people are still dressed up as him. Is there any other coach in any sport where that's true?
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Myron
Nah. But it's also been about 40 years since y' all won something, so, I mean, you know, it's hard to hang on to something new. You haven't done a whole lot. So I think that's part of it.
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Herm Edwards
That's true.
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Matt Myron
Nobody's going to have a Matt Eber flu costume for for Halloween either. It is eight. Eight, eight, say ESPN. That's the Dr. Pepper call in line. You could be a part of it. ESPN Nation is brought to you by Dr. Pepper. It's not college football season without the delicious taste of an ice cold pepper. College football, it's a Pepper thing. It is time to go off the top. And we're going to look at what happened last night and the reality is we saw maybe the best game seven of all time. If it's not the best sets, the best of my lifetime is The Dodgers winning 11.5-4 home run by Will Smith and then a great pitching performance for the ages by Yamamoto and the Dodgers get back to back World Series. First one to do it since the Yankees. Only the third team to do it since the 50s, when the big Red machine here in Cincinnati did it in the 70s, and then the Yankees a little bit later. You know, Myron, I don't know how much you watch the game, but if you're baseball, you couldn't really have asked for a better postseason and you certainly couldn't have asked for a better final game.
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Myron
What made you think I didn't watch it though? Did you assumption there? Because it's baseball. Yeah, I watched everything. Okay, good.
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Matt Myron
I didn't want to assume you watched it. You may have been out on the town. I've just say I watched it. Okay, good. So what do you agree with me that it's as good a representation of the sport as you could have?
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Myron
I mean, it was fascinating. Right. Game seven. I think everybody was rooting for Toronto, unless you lived in California. So I think that was. It was sort of heartbreaking for America, I feel like, because you were about to see Goliath fall and then a.
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Matt Myron
Lot of heartbreaking for America that a Canadian team lost.
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Myron
We were Canadian last night. I think most of us. I don't think you can root for. Root for the Dodgers, you know, don't run for me.
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Matt Myron
I don't know about you. I guess they do.
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Myron
Well, I tell you what, I feel like people wanted to see if the Dodgers might lose. They were on the brink. And then they just. You saw how amazing they can be and Yamamoto and all the pieces they have to orchestrate what feels like a dynasty right now in baseball. So that. That was one of the more thrilling game sevens in any sport, I think that I've seen.
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Matt Myron
Well, I think one of the things that is good for a sport is to have a bad guy champion. It's like wrestling's better. If there's a heel that's. That's dominant. And then just having, I mean, one of the things, you know, you go back to Tiger or any other sport, Jordan and the Bulls, when you have a dominant team, the chase to beat them is a big thing. And a little bit like the first Rocky movie Toronto gets right there, but then ends up losing the game. I just want to think, just think for a second about all the amazing plays. And if you're a Toronto fan, Myron, this has got to be the worst loss. Think about how many ways Toronto was like a half inch from winning. If that ball doesn't get stuck in Game 6, underneath the tarp, if that doesn't happen, maybe they win game six. Then you go to game seven and you have a couple of, you know, Toronto long fly balls that are very close. Obviously the out at the plate, which was by a half an inch, Manual Rojas, like, who of all the people to hit that home run. There's just all these moments that they'll look back and say, if this one thing hadn't happened, we'd be champ. But it didn't happen.
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Myron
I think that's why it'll hurt more. You'd almost. I bet if you poll Blue Jays fans, Matt, they would have rather have been swept than what happened last night. Yeah, like they, they, like they would have rather just don't even give us a chance rather than to come into Game 7 in Toronto. Sports fans notice. When I saw the dead ball, Matt, I was like, it's over. Right? Because those things don't happen to teams unless you're about to lose and suffer some tremendous heartbreak. So I think that was like sort of a sign. And then you come into game seven and it's right there for you. You're taking the lead, you know, in delayed innings. And then the Dodgers do it. They do. Canada has not suffered a loss like this since Drake and Kendrick, man. And I'm sure it's tough to.
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Matt Myron
By the way, I'm just looking at espn. They're showing, you know, when the players walk in. I don't know if anybody just saw this but me, but Dan Campbell looked to be walking down a dilapidated street in Detroit where, like, you've got to see the video of Dan Campbell. It was the most Detroit entrance to a game I've ever seen. But back to the baseball. Part of what makes baseball great, in my opinion, is there is a tension that can come up in a big baseball game, in a playoff baseball game that no other sport can give you. You know, football, excuse me, Basketball, you're going back and forth. Football, it's, it's not as intimate. But baseball, you get these pauses between pitches and it can just be absolutely the most tedious tension imaginable. And last night I was sitting there watching. I'm so glad that I'm not a fan of one of these teams. Cuz it might have been the most miserable experience ever. Having to go through like a. It would be like a three and a half hour surgery. Myron.
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Myron
Yeah. I mean, and again, you just saw the emotions in the crowd. Now there was a dude after the Dodgers tied it up. He was next to his friend and he was just laying down at his seat like he couldn't.
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Matt Myron
I saw that. That was.
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Myron
You saw that kid?
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Matt Myron
I did. I thought it was the saddest thing I've ever seen. I mean he was sitting on the front row, so he's probably got money. But it did look like that, that that man could not be consoled.
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Myron
I was worried like somebody needs to check on that kid because he, he was down, you know. And then you see something like that, you know, to lose that way at home. Yes. You're hoping for history. I mean it's been a magical series. You get it back to Toronto for Game 7. There's no greater scenario. After everything you've been doing. This series, it's yours. And then to lose like that is.
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Matt Myron
Just got it back for game six and seven. You have two chances to win. And in both games you, you get a lead early. You know, I mean it's. And then last night you're up three, nothing. You got to feel good about it. But we also, I think it's important to note the fact that we watch history. I mean we watched a World series that had one game that was 18 Indians innings, tied for the longest World Series game of all time. We had Shohei, maybe the greatest player to ever play. We had with Yamamoto. One of the great pitching performances in the history of the World Series. Got start, got pitches game six, then comes back and pitches game seven. Mean, come on, come on. Like, like that's crazy in and of itself. And then you have, you know, this Rojas with the home run, the catch. I mean that catch in the outfield with. Is it. How do you say his name? Pages or page. Which is it? What's the.
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Myron
I thought it's Pace.
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Matt Myron
Pace. That catch. You should put that on a poster and put it in every LA house and restaurant of all time. And that, that is, that is that. That's the kind of epic image that will stay forever. If you're a fan of the Dodgers.
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Myron
Yeah. I mean to. Again to do it in back to back seasons. This year was more difficult. Right. Last year they kind of just thumped baseball. They had obviously sh. Comes aboard. It wasn't as easy this year. They had injuries. Bullpen didn't look great. There are a lot of questions about whether or not they were going to reach their ceiling in time. Mookie Bets did look like Mookie Betts for a long time. But when it came time to play, you saw that $300 million roster go to work, and we got one of the best series, I think, in a long time. Baseball playoffs, to me, are second to none in sports, and I think you saw that last night.
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Matt Myron
Yeah, I think it was for baseball. It could not have been. I mean, maybe if the Blue Jays won, But now the chase to beat the Dodgers, Myron, that's something that, like, people want. There's kind of the entire league versus the Dodgers going forward, and I think that'll actually be good for the sport as well.
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Myron
Yeah, I mean, you gotta slay Goliath. I think that's kind of the attitude.
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Matt Myron
Yeah, that's right. Now, with the win last night, there was a guy. The Dodgers home run was hit by Will Smith. One of the things we're going to do on the show today is we want to find. There have been six straight World Series that have been won, Myron, With a guy on the team named Will Smith. Six straight years, someone has won a World Series named Will Smith. Three of them were the Will Smith with the Dodgers. But there's another pitcher, Will Smith, that has won three as well. So here's the thing, Myron. We want to find a Will Smith. If your name is Will Smith out there in America, we would like to have you as our celebrity guest picker. Because having being named Will Smith, if you're not on the Oscar stage, slapping people is actually a really positive thing. What are you laughing at?
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Myron
It's.
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Matt Myron
I mean, he slapped.
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Myron
That was years ago.
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Matt Myron
It was not therapy, man.
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Myron
We gotta bring it up.
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Matt Myron
What do you mean he went to therapy? He went to therapy. So I'm not supposed to remember? He smacked a guy on the face. What, you just go to therapy and then we don't talk about it anymore? He smacked him on live tv, Myron.
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Myron
In the face.
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Matt Myron
I mean, come on. That was one of the craziest things that's ever happened.
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Myron
Yeah.
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Matt Myron
Anyway, point being, if your name is Will Smith and you're not the guy that's out there slapping people in the face, we would like to. Or you can be him. That would be.
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Myron
Yeah, how about him? No, we'll take him.
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Matt Myron
We'll take him. He was once a Fresh Prince. If you would like to come on, you can be our celebrity guest picker. 888, say ESPN. If your name is Will Smith. You're just going to have to prove it to our producer and then you can be our celebrity guest picker and join the likes of the woman who resuscitated a drunk raccoon in in Kentucky. By the way, she was on the Jennifer Hudson show. Did you see that, Myron? We had her first. I saw we had her before Jennifer Hudson. We did. I don't think if people realize that. 888, say ESPN. We're looking for a Will Smith. We're also going to talk a little bit about Brian Kelly and the LSU situation and we'll count you down to kickoff here on Matt Myron on ESPN Radio.
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Myron
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Myron
Okay?
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Matt Myron
It is Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio. Just a minute ago, before we started, Myron Said he didn't know the song Margaritaville. And he said he thought it was on the ships and on the planes. They come into Margaritaville and I was like.
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Myron
I thought it was.
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Matt Myron
No. How could you not know Margaritaville? It might be one of the five most famous songs in America and you didn't know it.
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Myron
Five most famous songs in your America? I would say I knew.
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Matt Myron
When you say your America, what do you mean?
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Myron
It was just playing at different parties than I went to.
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Matt Myron
I think you're saying white people America. Right?
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Myron
You said that, not me. But I did. It is the same cadence. They're coming to Margaritaville.
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Matt Myron
No, it's. First of all, it's different amount of syllables. And it's not the same case. There's. Neil diamond is not the same as Jimmy Buffett.
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Myron
They're coming to Margarita. It's not. You can see the. You can see how I would get it mixed up.
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Matt Myron
I cannot. It's wasting away in Margaritaville. That's very different than.
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Myron
That's the same thing. It's the same. It's just a little.
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Matt Myron
You.
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Myron
You've also little different. You've also, like, infiltrated our brains.
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Matt Myron
You have.
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Myron
I can't.
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Matt Myron
The problem is I can't sing the song normally because of you, since I was 10. And my brain cannot handle it anymore. So thank you. You really have made it to where. When I try to sing Margaritaville, you've made it to where. I'm singing it in the verbiage of Neil diamond, which is not what I want.
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Myron
They should drop a remix, those two. Get them in the studio.
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Matt Myron
Rachel, what word am I skipping? You're skipping again. Wasting away again in Margaritaville. That helps. So that helps. That word helps. He is right.
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Myron
You just do it like that sounds.
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Matt Myron
A little bit like.
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Myron
Put them in the studio. They should do a duet. They should do a collab.
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Matt Myron
That will be very difficult because Jimmy Buffett died, like, two years ago. Yeah.
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Myron
We did lose Jimmy, didn't we? Rest in peace we.
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Matt Myron
Clearly it's not a we. You didn't know who he was. So don't even act. Like, hold on. Don't act just because man died. You don't get to say we. You don't know his famous song, so you don't get a we.
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Myron
I don't get to say rest in peace, terrible human being.
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Matt Myron
But you. Hang on. You can say rest in peace, but you can't say we. Like, I don't just get to just adopt everybody just because they died. You don't get to do that you.
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Myron
Can say, rest in peace, Tupac. I wouldn't jump on you for that. I'd be like, yeah, we, you know, rest in peace, Jimmy Buffett.
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Matt Myron
But I couldn't be. I couldn't be like, we lost Marcus Garvey. Like, I don't know it.
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Myron
Whoa.
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Matt Myron
Like, I didn't know him.
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Myron
You always go to a level nine. You always go to a level nine. And I'm at, like, level two. Like, you always go. You always skip seven.
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Matt Myron
We look at Jimmy Buffett the same way. Bars.
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Myron
All right. I don't.
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Matt Myron
We are counting you down to kick off.
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Myron
I'm going to a whole different level, man.
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Matt Myron
Here on ESPN Radio. The games yesterday were actually kind of boring. I'm going to be honest with you. I mean, there were some big teams that got upset. Georgia Tech got upset. Vandy, Miami, Tennessee. But honestly, I mean, I don't know that any of those were shockers. Maybe SMU beating Miami. I think at this point, Tennessee's out of the playoff. Vandy of Miami are struggling. But the big story in college football this week is Brian Kelly getting five. What was your take on my family being separated from the Louisiana State fan base?
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Myron
It should scare coaches in terms of understanding how important that first press conference is, because if you do something weird, unless you win big, that's going to be the narrative about you your whole life. So, like, people just kept playing the My Family video as sort of an example of a dude who never really understood the job. You had a bunch of former guys who played at LSU saying he wasn't as connected to past players. There were guys who played under Brian Kelly who were tweeting, essentially, good riddance. So I think he's an example of a coach who came in at a time when your name as a coach just doesn't mean that much anymore. Like, are you willing to adapt?
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Matt Myron
But is it the lesson?
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Myron
It seemed like he was able to do that.
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Matt Myron
Two things. One, you're right. If you don't win. I mean, you may remember Nick Sirianni had, like, the worst intro press conference of all time, and now he's won a Super bowl and everybody's kind of forgotten it went away. But the second thing is, isn't the lesson of Brian Kelly, like, you just need to be authentic. That, like the sort of, for lack of a better term, code switching that he did when he was like, I'm on the bayou now. Like, you can't. Like, that's not you. Right? So you can't be. You can't do that. I will say, though, move aside from Brian Kelly, LSU looks like a mess. I mean, you got the governor deciding he's going to get in there. Like, I mean, the governor comes in and decides, you know, I'm in charge now. Like, he's Alexander Haig. You've got. You got the board of directors. They say, the board of supervisors is now going to pick the coach. They go to the chair of the board of supervisors and they. And they say, hey, you're picking the coach. And he goes, really? I am. Nobody told me that's not a good sign. Then they get rid of the athletic director. Okay, athletic director's gone. And then their most successful coach on campus, Kim Mulkey, boycotts the press conference the next day because she's mad the athletic director got fired. It seems like an absolute mess. Myron, at lsu, I think when you're. If you're trying to go get someone like Lane Kiffin, you're making it to where you actually can't get him, right?
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Myron
Yeah, my. My favorite was the board of trustees dude who was like, I wasn't even at the meeting. You know, like, whoever. Like, he wasn't even at the meeting where they apparently told him that he was in charge. It is an absolute mess. You know, all these stick to sports people. How about y' all stick to politics? Because I don't think that helps anything to your point in terms of attracting another candidate.
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Matt Myron
If you LSU somebody, but you ain't necessarily going to get a huge name being like this.
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Myron
You don't want to wake up and you have to respond to, hey, the governor said this about LSU football. That's not something that's normal in sports. I would just say helped.
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Matt Myron
I would just say to Governor Papio, Daniel down in there, Papyo, just chill out. You just worry about. You worry about. You can stick constituency and let the football people deal with football. Let's go to Brad and Margaritaville. Brad, go ahead. The Papa Old Daniel Flower Hour. Go ahead, Brad.
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Herm Edwards
My.
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Matt Myron
My man. Can you hear me? Okay, we got you. Got you, man.
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Herm Edwards
Listen, listen, I'm in Margaritaville.
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Matt Myron
Okay, Hang on. Brad, stop yelling, all right? I can't hear you because you're yelling.
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Myron
Just.
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Matt Myron
Just talk. Call us from a pay phone, all right? Appreciate the call. Yeah.
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Myron
Calls from a pay phone.
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Matt Myron
I gotta tell you folks something. This is my advice to my electric out there. Do not call a national radio show on bluetooth or on AirPods. You talk on a phone line. There's one thing I cannot stand. It's people. They're Bl. They, they start blurring in and out. I'm for safety, but do not call me on a Bluetooth. Now call me on something else and I'm for it. But do not call me on a Bluetooth. 888 say ESPN it is Bengals Bears here. I'm in Cincinnati. We're counting you down to kickoff. I'm Matt Meyer. Matt and Myron.
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Myron
The podcast.
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Matt Myron
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Herm Edwards
Today.
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Matt Myron
We coming to America. It's Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio counting you down to kickoff. We've gotten a little off track here. I don't know why that is, but if you want to guarantee we won't get back on track, Herm Edwards will join us. I got more praise for your segment last week, Herm, than I've gotten on a radio segment in a long time. You admiring the old head versus the young head? And I think you're the young one, Herman, he was the old one arguing. I enjoyed it. It's nice to have you here again.
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Herm Edwards
Well, I just hope that your listeners and I know you guys have a vast audience, know that all three of us respect each other and whatever comes across air is always just fun. It's just, it's just fun. And that's what it's supposed to be about. We're talking about sports. It's not life changing to anybody. Now some people it might be, but it's just sports. It's, it's, you know, in, in, in the world of life, it's, it's in the toy department, to be quite honest.
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Matt Myron
Now we love you, Herb. Like you, you're my guy. You're. You are. I'm gonna go ahead and say it. You are my favorite guest on radio. Don't tell the other people that, that I like on there. But you are my favorite guest on. Right, well, I'm telling them. Okay, they can know. Herb Edwards is my favorite. My, my favorite guest. Let me ask you quickly, before we get to the NFL, a question. You, you did college. What would you think about a job where the governor will fire you on stage and, and would you want that job?
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Herm Edwards
No, but I, but I know this, I know who they should hire.
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Matt Myron
Who's that?
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Herm Edwards
Nick Saban.
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Myron
Who's that?
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Matt Myron
Interesting hire Nick Saban.
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Myron
Would he do it?
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Herm Edwards
He probably would if, if they really, you know, really kind of came to him and he, they met his demands, what he would want and obviously all those people that have, have, have a say right now that had stepped back. Let me run it. I'll take, I got it. Be good.
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Matt Myron
I mean, Nick Saban would be good. All right. You look on paper pretty much every season for the last three years. Game of the year is Bill's Chiefs been the game of the year probably last three or four seasons. The regular season maybe slightly diminished this year, but I would argue still the game of the year. Are you excited to watch the two, in my opinion, the two best quarterbacks in the NFL go at it again?
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Herm Edwards
Yeah, obviously. And you know, this is one where basically you've got one quarterback and Patrick Mahomes that all of a sudden has his arsenal of players back and basically Josh Allen is, Josh Allen is Cooks and Shakir and the tight end, some that are involved in this offense. But this, this could be a high scoring affair and I think it needs to be a Buffalo's has any chance to win. They got to get it into the 30s, which they can do, you know, scoring points. They're scoring about an average, about 29. Believe it or not, the Colts are highest scoring offense in the league and they're scoring 33 points. And we keep not talking about him, but yeah, I think this is a matchup. Everybody wants to watch.
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Myron
Coach, I, I want to go into the Viking situation. Kind of a two part question. You have Carson Wentz goes out. He's clearly hurt. We find out later on he's been hurt for three weeks. They put him out there. He says, I'm a football player, I wanted to do it. A lot of folks think that that was mismanagement. On Kevin OConnell's part. And now you have a guy in J.J. mcCarthy coming back, and it feels like he has to be great in these next eight to ten weeks in order to guarantee a job next year. How would you handle this whole weak with the Minnesota Vikings and everything on their plate?
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Herm Edwards
Well, you wouldn't try to put a lot on the quarterback's plate, for sure. The guy's only played eight quarters of football. And so for me, I look at the guy as basically he's a rookie, and the problem is he's playing a division opponent and it's at Detroit. Yeah, that ain't a whole lot of fun. You know, in Detroit Lions, you know, they can score points. I mean, offensively, they're scoring about 30 a game. So hopefully the Minnesota defense can show up and slow these guys a little bit down. Because all of a sudden you got a young quarterback going on the road, playing the Lions in that place in the Lions den, and you don't want him going back 35, 40 times throwing the football, because that's going. Guys, I'm going to tell you right now, it's going to be bad. Like, real bad. Yeah, right.
- [27:10]
Matt Myron
When do you know, though, with these guys, with the young guy? When does a coach or a franchise know? All right, it's just not going to work. Like, because you have to make that decision in the NFL. You got to make it by year three. But honestly, sometimes I wonder if you got to make it by the end of year two. So, like Caleb Williams, J.J. mcCarthy, even Michael Pennix, like, when's the moment you have to decide that?
- [27:36]
Herm Edwards
I would think the recent result is this. When you look at some of the quarterbacks that have resurrected their career and maybe you. You bailed out on them too fast, right? And there's a guy, there's one, you know, we can name him. Baker Mayfield happens to be one.
- [27:53]
Myron
Yeah.
- [27:53]
Herm Edwards
I mean, okay. And there's some older ones that have resurrected their careers, you know, and, and, and they've maybe been to one or two teams and you bail out them. We put so much pressure on the quarterback in today's world, where if he's not like all that within a year or two. Patrick Mahomes, by the way, he didn't even start when he was a rookie. He was on the bench.
- [28:14]
Matt Myron
But once he started, he played well.
- [28:16]
Herm Edwards
I mean, but they brought him along, you know what I'm saying?
- [28:19]
Matt Myron
But I'm saying, when you have a guy that is struggling. So, like, I'm thinking, I'm sitting here I'm. I'm in Cincinnati. I'm gonna watch Caleb Williams play, and he's not struggling, but he's not been great.
- [28:29]
Herm Edwards
Right.
- [28:29]
Matt Myron
At some point, you. In the. In the modern NFL, you have to decide, give this guy a massive contract, give up. There's really no other option.
- [28:38]
Myron
Yeah.
- [28:39]
Matt Myron
When do you do that? When do you decide? Third season.
- [28:43]
Herm Edwards
In my. In my opinion, I give him. I give him at least two years. So Caleb Williams, to me, I. I think that he gets this year and next year.
- [28:53]
Matt Myron
Okay.
- [28:54]
Herm Edwards
Because he's got a new coach, and I believe in that coach. I think he's a little bit of the quarterback whisper, and. And I think Caleb Williams is progressing. He's getting better, so it'll be fun to watch him as he gets a whole year under his belt, and the next year, he. He gets a feel what's going on and play. But I. I say by your third year, you pretty much. You got a feel of, does the guy fit or does he not fit?
- [29:18]
Myron
I mean, with me, if I'm the Vikings, I'm making a move right now with J.J. mcCarthy, because I don't know if you can wait and take the risk. Right.
- [29:25]
Matt Myron
But he's only played, like, three games.
- [29:29]
Herm Edwards
Yeah, I mean, that's the problem, you know, and here's the problem, Myron. And I get what you're saying, because if you're in an organization, you're the gm, you're the head coach, you know, you're worried, oh, this thing might not get rid of him. But here's the problem. I've always said this. It's easy. Like in sports, you know, we. We want to get rid of somebody. But my question always is, when you get rid of him, who you gonna get?
- [29:51]
Matt Myron
Right?
- [29:52]
Herm Edwards
And there's, like, you say, well, I'm gonna go get another one. Wait a minute. First of all, we sat on this show. On this show a couple months ago or whatever, you know, and we said there's not 32 starting quarterbacks.
- [30:02]
Matt Myron
Yeah. And this college class, Herm. This college class, which people had looked at like it might be historic, they've all kind of fallen apart this year. I mean.
- [30:13]
Herm Edwards
Yeah.
- [30:14]
Matt Myron
I'm not sure, outside of maybe the kid in Indiana and Oregon that any of them have showcased to be obvious NFL talent. So I agree with you. I think you do have to be careful. The grass is not always greener, and.
- [30:26]
Herm Edwards
It'S the hardest position to play in sports, in my opinion. Playing quarterback.
- [30:29]
Matt Myron
Right.
- [30:30]
Herm Edwards
It's hard.
- [30:31]
Matt Myron
Yeah, I think it is. All right, so let's look bigger picture. I feel like when I look at the league, I don't know what to do. I see the Colts at 7 and 1, but my guts, like, I still don't know about that. And I see, you know, I see other teams kind of that are. Have struggled, that I still think have something in them. It feels like a topsy turvy league. How are you about. Like I say, Herm Edwards, you gotta pick me a Super bowl right now. Are you believing in some of these, in the new money or are you gonna go with the old money when it comes down to getting there?
- [31:04]
Herm Edwards
When, when it's like this, you always, your, your emotions and your mind tells you I'm gonna go with the old school. Okay, I'm going with the, the old teams. But I'm gonna tell you I kind of like it this way because who would have said in week nine that the, that the Indianapolis Colts.
- [31:24]
Matt Myron
Oh boy.
- [31:25]
Herm Edwards
Are seven and one.
- [31:27]
Myron
Who.
- [31:28]
Herm Edwards
The highest scoring offense in the league, by the way.
- [31:30]
Myron
But you don't believe in them though.
- [31:32]
Matt Myron
I mean, no one does. And they, and I agree.
- [31:35]
Herm Edwards
And, but they just keep winning. They have a good defense. I mean they're doing a lot of things right. They don't get a lot of credit. They're only giving, these guys are only giving up what, 19 points a game on defense.
- [31:49]
Myron
It's a great Disney movie. It's a great, it's a great Disney movie. You take the kids to the Indianapolis Colts movie.
- [31:54]
Herm Edwards
You wanted to say, is it going to come to an end? And maybe it will when they get in the playoffs. But I think the league is better when there's competition in all the divisions and when the divisions are competitive.
- [32:07]
Myron
Let me ask you this, coach, the new ownership. Yes. Jim Racing, his daughter has been very involved with the Colts. Wearing a headset on the sidelines, you know, talking about, you know, you listen to the headset and you think the receiver made the wrong move and you find out it's a coach who called the wrong play. As a coach, how would you feel about that? Is that more pressure? Like, how would you deal with that?
- [32:34]
Herm Edwards
I would basically try to win as much as I can and get out of there and get another job somewhere else.
- [32:39]
Myron
You don't want an owner that close to the team.
- [32:41]
Herm Edwards
No, owners own and coaches coach and players play now. They have input. But during the game, during the, like, like we're gonna play football now, really? No, no, I don't, I don't, I don't, you know, no, I don't need that involved in the draft, involved in trades, involved in coaching hires. Yeah, but when the game starts, that's not your place. It's just not. I mean, it's just. It's just not.
- [33:09]
Matt Myron
But they're working. It's seven. I mean, at some point, you know, it's seven. And that's.
- [33:14]
Herm Edwards
And that has a lot to do with the coaching staff and the players.
- [33:17]
Matt Myron
Yeah.
- [33:18]
Herm Edwards
I ain't gonna. I. I ain't saying it's cause of the owner being there.
- [33:20]
Matt Myron
I'm not saying that, but I'm not saying the owner's doing anything. But at first, I had the reaction. You did, Herm. But then there is a point. Let's just say she's not, like, communicating. Yeah, but I want. Well, I would say you're my most important employee. I want to know what you're doing. Is there anything wrong with that?
- [33:41]
Herm Edwards
Well, then give the coach. Make sure he has your number when you're making calls and you're trying to make trades or acquisitions.
- [33:48]
Matt Myron
Yeah, but the coach.
- [33:48]
Herm Edwards
Let me know what you're doing.
- [33:50]
Matt Myron
All right.
- [33:50]
Herm Edwards
Well, it's all trust somewhere along, you know, you. You hire a coach cuz you trust him.
- [33:55]
Matt Myron
Yeah.
- [33:55]
Myron
Yeah.
- [33:56]
Matt Myron
I mean, you don't have to have.
- [33:58]
Herm Edwards
A phone and say, hey, man, what do you do? You could ask him after the game.
- [34:00]
Matt Myron
Hey, Coach, it doesn't sound like if you. If I. If you. If Herm Edwards played for my team and I was the owner, it doesn't sound like you'd want me to be part of things.
- [34:09]
Herm Edwards
I want you to be part of things. But during. When the game starts, you don't need to be on the headset worrying about what the offensive coordinator says and what the defensive coordinator says. And you.
- [34:18]
Matt Myron
Can I listen when the game is over? Yeah. Can I listen to a tape of it? Yeah. Okay.
- [34:24]
Herm Edwards
You can do whatever you want.
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- [34:26]
Matt Myron
See, Myron, this is the compromise Herman, I will do when I own my NFL franchise.
- [34:31]
Herm Edwards
You can listen. I'll tell you. I'll go through why we did. I'll try to explain why we did what we did.
- [34:37]
Myron
Right?
- [34:38]
Matt Myron
Yeah. This ain't fantasy.
- [34:39]
Myron
I'd be calling plays.
- [34:40]
Matt Myron
This is not fantasy.
- [34:41]
Myron
I would be calling plays. You couldn't have me that close to the. I'd be pulling guys out of the game, putting guys in.
- [34:47]
Herm Edwards
But like you say, they're winning, so it's all fun and games right now.
- [34:50]
Matt Myron
For now.
- [34:50]
Myron
They're winning for now. You know, everybody's excited, but it's a Disney movie.
- [34:54]
Herm Edwards
They probably get beat. This week against Pittsburgh.
- [34:56]
Matt Myron
Before we go, are you, you Jimmy Buffett, Neil diamond fan?
- [35:01]
Herm Edwards
I didn't Jimmy Buffett, I don't know. I've heard some of his music. Neil diamond was kind of my mom's deal, you know, they knew about, knew about Neil diamond, you know, those kind of guys. Elvis, you know, that's why he's been a great, different.
- [35:15]
Matt Myron
Elvis has some soul that's a little different.
- [35:17]
Herm Edwards
Yeah, like, you know, but Neil Diamond, Neil diamond was a good singer, you know, he was. You know what, When I was growing up, he was in Vegas a lot. I remember him being in Las Vegas a lot.
- [35:26]
Matt Myron
Neil Diamond, I can see you. I can see you being an old school Vegas guy. Well, I didn't go to Vegas much.
- [35:32]
Herm Edwards
But I knew he was in Vegas. I knew that.
- [35:35]
Matt Myron
I've been to Graceland. Not worth your trip.
- [35:37]
Herm Edwards
It's not.
- [35:38]
Myron
It is. You should check it out. It is Herm. It is.
- [35:40]
Matt Myron
No, it's not. It's gross. It's gross. You don't want to go. Oh, stop.
- [35:43]
Myron
Don't listen to him.
- [35:45]
Herm Edwards
Come on.
- [35:45]
Matt Myron
Yeah, it's Herm Edwards.
- [35:47]
Herm Edwards
Appreciate you guys.
- [35:48]
Matt Myron
One vote for Graceland. One not. He's an ESPN analyst. We will continue to get ready for week nine in the NFL. This is Matt Myon on ESPN Radio.
- [35:58]
Myron
Matt and Myon, the podcast.
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- [37:30]
Matt Myron
It is Matt Myron here on ESPN radio, presented by Progressive Insurance. Another Jimmy Buffett song here. Cheeseburger. Yeah, it's called Cheeseburger in Paradise. One of his most famous hits.
- [37:42]
Myron
Unbelievable Cheeseburger.
- [37:44]
Matt Myron
Yes. The food. Cheeseburger. What?
- [37:49]
Myron
What's the song about? He's gonna have a cheeseburger in Paris.
- [37:52]
Matt Myron
I think you just heard it. I think you just. You literally. He is in paradise and he's ordering a cheeseburger and he writes a song about it. What's wrong with that?
- [38:02]
Myron
I mean, because in paradise, I'm not ordering a cheeseburger.
- [38:05]
Matt Myron
What are you ordering?
- [38:06]
Myron
Steak. You know, that's why. Sauteed veggies.
- [38:11]
Matt Myron
You are exactly. You're a member of the elite. Those of you in the elite, you get cheese, you get a steak and sauteed veggies. We common people, we would like a cheeseburger and fries. The Colts and the Steelers play today in a game that's huge in the AFC for the Colts, they have a chance to go 8 and 1 for the Steelers. They were rolling, but you lose Today, you're back to.500 after losing at home last week. Do you think Aaron Rodgers bounces back after the loss against the packers and we're able to finally see someone cut into this Colt sense of invincibility that I know you have fought so hard against? Byron.
- [38:49]
Myron
Yeah, I mean, I don't have anything against the Colts. You know, I don't want to make it sound like I have something anti Colts take. I just think we got to slow down a little bit. We got to make that. We got to differentiate. Differentiate between a good story and a good team. And I'm still waiting for the Colts to prove that they can be a great team. Today's a big example. You know, I think if they go and beat the Steelers, I think a lot of people will say you got to give them credit for that. I think the Steelers have been in more battles. You know, you look at what the Colts have done, you just beat up on the Titans. I mean, valid win. Obviously, against the Chargers, you beat the Cardinals before that, you beat the Raiders and then you lost to the Rams. So, I mean, this is a team that has had a favorable stretch this season. They beat the Dolphins, they beat the Titans twice. So I think I want to see the Colts against tougher competition. And today I think represents that.
- [39:43]
Matt Myron
Yeah, I think this is definitely. Well, this is the kind of game that Myron could tell you. The Colts are a fraud if they are.
- [39:49]
Myron
Yes.
- [39:50]
Matt Myron
You know what I mean. I'm not saying they are, actually don't think they are. But you're playing at Pittsburgh. We saw that Pittsburgh is a notch below the top teams, I think by their game last week against the Packers. So this is a game that if things don't go well, you can go, see, I told you the Colts were not very good. This is the kind of game that if you're Daniel Jones, you want to make a believer. If you go and win and you all become 8 and 1, I think you then have to take them seriously. But even if they were to lose, if it's competitive, I still think they're a team that is definitely a playoff team and a team you have to watch out for. But there will be people like you who are on Colts fraud alert who are watching today's game hoping to have their point proven.
- [40:40]
Myron
We, I mean, Jonathan Taylor right now, I think wins MVP if the season ends, right? I know we haven't had a running back win it, I believe 2012 Adrian Peterson, if I'm not mistaken. But I think Jonathan Taylor, Baker Mayfield, maybe there's a few other people I'm missing, but he could win mvp. He's been incredible. But listen to the schedule ahead, Matt. They play the Steelers today, right? Then they're in London next week. And they hosted. Well, they played the Falcons. They're hosting in Berlin. I'm sorry, play the Falcons, they play Kansas City. After that, the Texans, the Jags, the Seahawks, the Niners, the Jags. And then they end the season with the Texans. There's a world where this whole thing falls apart.
- [41:18]
Matt Myron
But what's interesting about that schedule to me is when you read that, when you read that schedule, there are no games that I don't think they can win, but there are also no games that I think they're certain to win. You know what I mean? Like it, like, you know, normally when we read these schedules, I go, well, they've got four definite wins or they've got two or three definite losses. Besides the Chiefs game, you could make an argument they're better than all those teams. But Myron, they could lose every single one of those games. So I do think we will know a lot more about them in the next few weeks.
- [41:53]
Myron
Well, and I think that to me, is, is why this is such an important game. Because to all the people who don't believe, to all the people who question whether or not this is a team that should be considered a real super bowl contender today, Starts that stretch where we're going to find out. But you kind of undeniable, right, like.
- [42:11]
Matt Myron
You'Re on the record. You do not believe.
- [42:14]
Myron
You're just not going to tell me that a team like led by Daniel Jones can win a Super bowl or get to a Super Bowl. I don't care what anyone says about the new analytics and big stats here and that at the end of the day in the playoffs your quarterback has to out duel the other team's quarterback most of the time.
- [42:30]
Matt Myron
Right.
- [42:30]
Myron
Are there exceptions? Sure. But for the most part your quarterback has to be the best quarterback on the field that day. And I just don't buy that Daniel Jones will be that.
- [42:39]
Matt Myron
But you don't buy that he has gotten better enough that he could be that guy in the right circumstance.
- [42:48]
Myron
I think he's in a good situation. I think he's playing next to the mvp. I think he is doing the right things. But like Sam Darnold a year ago, the thing I thought about Sam Darnold, the Minnesota Vikings was he is great when everything is right but as soon as things break down, we're going to see some of the flaws and that's what happened down the stretch. And I think the same thing for Daniel Jones under the right circumstances, to your point, he can look really, really good. But when it's just you and the play is broken or your team is down, who are you? That to me is where we're going to see some of those.
- [43:18]
Matt Myron
I have more belief in Daniel Jones than you do because he was really good one year in New York, I mean when everything was set up. And I know that's to your point. I don't think anybody's going to argue Daniel Jones is Mahomes and can win with anyone. But they've got a good team and they've got guys around him and they protect him. And so I don't know why it can't work. I don't think they're going to win the Super Bowl. I wouldn't even say they are a Super bowl contender necessarily, but I think they're a team to be taken seriously. Now on the other side, are the Steelers just destined to be 9 and 8? Like that's just what they are. It's Mike Tomlin. This team is finishing nine and eight.
- [43:59]
Myron
I think they can be better than that. The bad news for them is this Ravens defense is getting better and Lamar Jackson is back, right? Joe Flacco, if he's healthy, put Cincinnati in a better position to win. And that Cleveland defense will also be tough, but they're not as much of a threat. But the Ravens getting Lamar in a healthy defense back could change that division.
- [44:19]
Matt Myron
I agree. But I also agree with this comment. One person writes I don't think Myron watches enough Colts game. They could have beaten the Rams. They dropped a touchdown. They should be undefeated. Myron Hater he needs to watch it. If he doesn't believe in the Colts, he will pass it.
- [44:35]
Myron
Be 6 foot 5.
- [44:35]
Matt Myron
They win the fight.
- [44:37]
Myron
Married to Halle Berry. Yeah right. I should be.
- [44:40]
Matt Myron
I don't know if that's true. At least the Halle Berry part. We will continue getting ready for week nine in the NFL. Next.
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Myron
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