Hour 1: Matt's Back in Town

Summary

Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron

Episode: Hour 1: Matt's Back in Town
Hosts: Myron Medcalf & Matt Jones
Date: October 5, 2025

Overview

In this lively episode, Matt Jones returns from a three-week trip to South Africa, reuniting with Myron Medcalf to break down college football’s biggest surprises, the shifting dynamics in the NFL, and to welcome guest Herm Edwards for spirited analysis. The show covers major upsets, changing landscapes due to NIL, quarterback controversies, locker room drama, and the realities of the NFL’s international ambitions—all with the show’s trademark blend of sharp commentary, humor, and camaraderie.

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Matt’s Return & South Africa Stories

[00:32–03:38]

• Matt is Back: Matt opens with energy after three weeks in South Africa, sharing that he couldn’t communicate much—his phone was disabled after he spilled coke on it visiting Robben Island (Nelson Mandela’s prison).
• Travel Tales:
  • Matt marvels at Cape Town’s beauty and Johannesburg’s “wild” energy.
  • Safari highlights: elephants, giraffes, rhinos, and hippos up close.
  • Watching NFL Red Zone from a “glamping tent” in Kruger National Park.

Notable Quote:
Matt Jones [01:33]:
“Very few people have spilled coke on their phone at Nelson Mandela's prison...but I have.”

Humor: Myron asks if Matt literally saw Mandela, riffing on the confusion for comic effect.
[01:58] Myron Metcalf: "I thought he wasn’t with us. I didn’t know if it was like a reverse Coming to America situation."

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College Football Shocks & Critique

Penn State’s Stunning Loss, James Franklin, and NIL Impact
[03:39–09:40]

• Historic Upsets:
  • Matt declares Penn State's defeat to 0-4 UCLA “one of the biggest upsets in modern college football”—given Penn State’s championship aspirations and UCLA’s turmoil.
• Fan Discontent:
  • Myron recounts UCLA’s empty stands and angry “Fire Martin Jarman” banners.
  • Both hosts blast James Franklin's arrogance; Myron calls him “fraudulent” and explains the disconnect between Penn State fans’ expectations and reality.

Notable Quote:
Myron Metcalf [05:27]:
“It's just...he has the arrogance of someone who's won a lot more than he actually has.”

• Texas Turmoil & Arch Manning Hype:
  • Texas, under Steve Sarkisian, is on the brink after road losses; both hosts call out Arch Manning’s overhype.
  • Matt questions why Arch didn’t play more, suggesting “generational talent” was exaggerated.
• The NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) Effect:
  • Dismantling myths that “big boys” have the advantage; in practice, NIL has leveled the playing field, promoting smarter roster management.
  • Money helps, but being “dumb and rich” no longer guarantees wins (Penn State, Texas as examples).

Notable Quote:
Matt Jones [09:10]:
“College football is now becoming like Major League Baseball. Having money helps, but you can't be stupid.”

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Bill Belichick at Carolina: Struggles and Locker Room Disconnect

[10:06–12:15]

• Belichick's Rough Start:
  • Matt and Myron joke about Belichick’s public relationship and inability to connect with younger players.
  • Myron doubts Belichick’s ability to relate: “People know you’re faking it, too.”
• Humor:
  • Matt: “You switched off that,” teasing Myron’s reluctance to comment on Belichick’s love life.
  • Myron: “I got an uncle who color coordinates his outfits and people laugh at that dude.”

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NFL: Browns vs. Vikings in London & The Shadour Sanders Saga

[14:40–21:40]

• Game Update:
  • Browns-Vikings tied in London with backup QBs. Myron and Matt joke about the NFL exporting lackluster matchups overseas.
• Shadour Sanders Controversy:
  • Sanders’ mime routine draws bafflement; the hosts discuss concerns about his attitude and locker room fit.
  • Comparison to Tim Tebow: Not the same, but both bring media storms and doubts about whether the distraction is worth their play.
  • Myron says Sanders is experiencing competition for the first time and lacks self-awareness.

Notable Quote:
Myron Metcalf [20:05]:
“He lacks self-awareness. This is the first time in Shadur Sanders' career where he actually had to fight for a job.”

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Guest Appearance: Herm Edwards

Are These Teams 'For Real'? Eagles Drama & Position Versatility
[28:09–37:38]

• Herm's Always Late:
  • Banter about Herm’s tardiness, with Matt comparing him to past ex-girlfriends: “I just have to put in a 10 minute curve with you.”
• Quick Takes on NFL Teams:
  • Buccaneers: Herm likes Baker Mayfield, picks Tampa to win their division.
  • Seahawks: Herm is doubtful; NFC West is too tough.
  • Colts: Herm surprised by Daniel Jones’ success at the new team, praises him for finding a good fit.
  • Jaguars: “About time Trevor Lawrence played up to the billing.”
• On Travis Hunter (NFL Two-Way Player Hype):
  • Herm: Would play Hunter at corner, only mix in occasional offensive plays—thinks it’s “not fair to the kid” to ask him to do both full-time.
  • “This was disaster when they said they're going to play this guy both ways…His head is probably swimming right now.”
• Ravens’ Struggles:
  • Astonished that the Ravens defense is “among the worst in the league.”
  • Chiefs “are back,” especially now that Xavier Worthy adds explosiveness.
• Eagles' Wide Receiver Drama:
  • Herm: Star players need a certain number of touches (“Tony Gonzalez had to get at least 12 targets”).
  • Explains the logic of play distribution and keeping key talents engaged.

Notable Quotes:

• Herm Edwards [32:41]:
  “You can't do it to the guy. It's not fair to him...These are the best players in captivity that he's playing against.”
• Herm Edwards [33:29]:
  “Who would ever imagine that the Baltimore Ravens would not play defense?...That’s blasphemy.”

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NFL Expansion Abroad and Game Scheduling

[25:05–27:55]

• International Games:
  • Myron asks if the hosts like regular NFL games in London; Matt finds the NFL is a “non-thing” in most of the world.
  • Matt predicts the NFL will expand to Europe, South America, maybe Australia, adding four teams over a decade.
  • Jokes about sending the Panthers overseas: “We’d be okay, right?”
• Behind the Scenes:
  • Some radio studio chaos as producers try to cue their next guest.

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Quarterback Carousel: Max Brosmer & QB Contract Philosophy

[39:02–44:50]

• Carson Wentz injured; enter Max Brosmer:
  • Myron recaps Brosmer’s underdog story at University of Minnesota, half-joking a Disney script is ready if he leads the Vikings to success.
  • Matt teases Myron for “making up facts” about Brosmer for movie potential.
• Quarterback Philosophy:
  • Matt stands by the “You win with either an elite QB or a cost-controlled rookie. Otherwise, don’t overpay.”
  • Both agree you can win with mid-level QBs, but should not hand out $40M+ contracts lightly (Sam Darnold debate).
  • The Vikings chose not to pay Darnold, now “stuck” with a depleted QB room.

Notable Quote:
Matt Jones [42:50]:
“My point is who you don’t pay. You don't go pay the dude making zillions.”

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Lightning Round & Humor: Show Banter

[23:26–25:05]

• Hosts Reminisce:
  • Myron and Matt riff on how difficult it is to finish NFL picks within time constraints, teasing the other’s hosting style.
  • Playful banter about who manages time better and “they don’t appreciate you till you’re gone.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments at a Glance

• [01:33] Matt Jones: "Very few people have spilled coke on their phone at Nelson Mandela's prison…"
• [05:27] Myron Metcalf: "He has the arrogance of someone who's won a lot more than he actually has."
• [09:10] Matt Jones: "Having money helps, but you can’t be stupid."
• [20:05] Myron Metcalf: "He lacks self-awareness…this is the first time…he actually had to fight for a job."
• [32:41] Herm Edwards: "You can’t do it to the guy. It’s not fair to him…His head is probably swimming right now."
• [33:29] Herm Edwards: "Who would ever imagine that the Baltimore Ravens would not play defense?...That’s blasphemy."
• [42:50] Matt Jones: “My point is who you don’t pay. You don't go pay the dude making zillions.”

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Matt’s Return & South Africa — [00:32–03:38]
• Penn State, James Franklin, & College Football — [03:39–09:40]
• Belichick at Carolina & Relationship Jokes — [10:06–12:15]
• NFL Browns vs. Vikings, Shadour Sanders — [14:40–21:40]
• Herm Edwards Interview — [28:09–37:38]
• NFL Abroad & Scheduling — [25:05–27:55]
• Quarterback Contracts & Max Brosmer — [39:02–44:50]
• Host Banter & Time Management — [23:26–25:05]

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, witty, irreverent
• Mix of sports insight, cultural commentary, and personal anecdotes
• A blend of analysis and humor-heavy banter

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For listeners catching up, this episode combines big-picture sports talk, storytelling, and strong opinions, with Matt’s travel tales and Herm Edwards’ hard truths making it a classic high-energy Sunday morning show.

Transcript

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[Myron Metcalf]

Is Matt and Myron the.

[Matt Jones]

Podcast I will insist People with khaki pants are not going to change my life. It's Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio. After three weeks in South Africa, I am back to get you ready for Week 5 of the NFL season with my good friend Meyer Metcalf. We are counting you down to kick off. Myra and I have missed you. Three weeks of being gone, of not getting to see your face and hear your voice and talk to you about all the stories in the world of sports.

[Myron Metcalf]

Now. It's good to see you. Let me tell you, they didn't play any country music before, so I can see that, like you showed up and now they're overdoing it. That's how it feels a little bit to me. Because they didn't play one country song.

[Matt Jones]

What did they play while I was gone?

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, I mean regular music. They didn't play this like regular music.

[Matt Jones]

You're not. You saying country music?

[Myron Metcalf]

No, it is. I'm just saying they didn't do this. This was like ESPN overdoing it a little bit with your, with your return. But no, it's good to see you back, man. I didn't hear from you a lot, so I didn't know what had happened. Like, I didn't know I lost my phone.

[Matt Jones]

Let me tell you something. You go to South Africa.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And you on day five of an 18 day trip, you spill coke on your phone on the way to go see Nelson Mandela and you ruin it. Then that's a problem. But that's a good story. Very few people have spilled coke on their phone at Nelson Mandela's prison at Robben Island. And that's not been able to use it, but I have. Then I was there for two weeks without a phone. So I couldn't reach out to you and talk like we usually do.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay. You said, I don't know, I see Nelson Mandela. I was like, there's something. I don't know. I thought he wasn't with us. But you said the prison. I didn't know. I didn't know if it was like a reverse coming to America situation. I don't know what was going on. Like, has he met somebody? I didn't know. So, I mean, it's good to know. You're good, man.

[Matt Jones]

It was a great trip. I highly recommend to people.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

If you ever get a chance to go to South Africa. Go. It's a beautiful Cape Town.

[Myron Metcalf]

I heard it's beautiful.

[Matt Jones]

Cape Town might be the most beautiful city in the world. So I hear a lot of history there. Johannesburg is absolutely wild and is like. There's no place more frantic than Johannesburg. But I enjoyed it. And then I went on a safari. Got to see elephants, giraffes, rhinos, hippos. It was very nice.

[Myron Metcalf]

Rhino, like, real, like, what they were toy rhinos.

[Matt Jones]

These were actually.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, I know, but, like, I always wondered, like. Like, how far were you from these?

[Matt Jones]

The elephant. The elephant was six feet away from me. In the wild, too. It's not like there's somebody there to stop it. Like, the elephant was looking at me and it was like, why. Why do you say this stuff about Kaylin DeBoer? It had that look on his face when he was looking at me, like, no, I mean, it's. There's an excitement to it. There's a hit. You know, hippos are dangerous. You ever seen those dangerous hippos attacking?

[Myron Metcalf]

Hippos are the most dangerous. People don't realize, like, they look at hippos are the most. And they can run fast, too.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And they think so. We think of, like, Hungry, Hungry Hippos, like, in that game. But that's not. That's not how they are. But I had a great time. You missed football, actually. Had a lot going on, the games. I watched Red Zone from my glamping tent at Kruger National Park. So I was nice. Chris Hansen helped me with that.

[Myron Metcalf]

I like it.

[Matt Jones]

And then, you know, yesterday I was back. This was the first day of back for college football. I think yesterday the story is disappointment, disappointment for some teams and for some coaches. I think you could make an argument that Penn State's loss yesterday at UCLA is one of the biggest upsets in the history of modern college football. It was a 27 and a half or 26 and a half point spread, but leave that to the side. I know there are games that have had higher spreads, but if you just look objectively and say Penn State is A team that thought it could win the national championship and UCLA was.04, pretty much assumed they were going to be. Owen 12 fired their coach and had been not led for one minute in the season up until this point. The idea that they could win that game and kind of dominate three of the four quarters, Myron, is unbelievable.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, there was an LA Times feature this week about the athletic director, Martin Jarman, whom I know, but a lot of people upset. There was a fire Martin Jarman banner over the stadium that someone was flying, like people were upset. The stands. There was nobody in the stands.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, there was no one there. I mean, there was no one.

[Myron Metcalf]

This is. You talk about that soccer tournament where, like, Manchester United goes to play some little small team in Europe. It was like that. UCLA had no business being on the same field with Penn State, considering where they are. And yet they go out and beat them. James Franklin has always been fraudulent, in my opinion, in terms of, like, what he represents, this idea that he's this elite coach of this elite program.

[Matt Jones]

Why do you think people dislike him so much? I mean, he clearly has not won the big game, but there seems to be universal glee when he fails. Why do you think that is?

[Myron Metcalf]

For me, it's not glee. It's just. I think he has the arrogance of someone who's won a lot more than he actually has. Ok. And I think that's the part that I'm tired of. These, like, these people who grew up. These coaches who grew up watching Nick Saban and Spurry and all these great coaches and. And they somehow think that we're supposed to respect him to the same degree. I think James Franklin has had a lot of that. I think also Penn State fans talk like they're Ohio State, like they're Michigan, and they've never been that. And I think that's what bothers people as well. If you're talking about stuff you did when the Super Nintendo was in stores and. And not anything in modern times, it's hard to respect a team like that. But if you're going to act like you're one of the big boys and you play a game like that, don't be surprised when people knock your entire program.

[Matt Jones]

So I would say I don't like coaches that sprint onto the field.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's a lot unnecessary.

[Matt Jones]

If you were to. If you were to ask Matt Jones, who are his two least favorite coaches in college football? James Franco, Dabo Sweeney. The one thing they have in common is they both sprint onto the field as if they are playing yeah, and so I think that's my problem. But that is a huge loss. I mean, essentially you've eliminated a team that could have been a national title contender. I mean, they're out. They're out. Unless they win at Ohio State, which they will not do. They are out. And there were people who picked them to win the whole thing. Another team that I don't think is out, but is close to out, that would be in the same situation as Texas. I mean, Texas has played five games. Two of them were against teams with a pulse on the road, and they lose, including to a Florida team that had been reeling. Are you surprised that Steve Sarkeesian, Texas, all that talent and Arch Banning have seen their season fall apart before it's halfway through?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, apparently it's not all that talent. Right? I mean, the Arch Manning stuff was clearly an exaggeration. And I think you said one of our first shows, Matt, or maybe it was during the college football season that when it got started, why didn't he play more last year? You know, why didn't.

[Matt Jones]

That's been my opinion forever. Quinn Ewers was not great. So if he awesome, why didn't he play last year?

[Myron Metcalf]

And I think now that's even more of a fair question because you look at this Texas team and you look at Arch Manning. Has he had some moments?

[Matt Jones]

Sure.

[Myron Metcalf]

But this generational talent stuff was ridiculous. I also think this is an indicator of what's happening across college football in that nil, this idea that the big boys are going to have this great advantage. It's actually the opposite.

[Matt Jones]

I think it.

[Myron Metcalf]

Even the levels of playing field said.

[Matt Jones]

That to you from moment one. I always thought the nil thing would end up. Here's what I think it all has done, with the exception of, let's say a Texas Tech where a booster has just decided to spend a zillion dollars to make his team good. In general, what it's done is it's required you to be smart. College football is now becoming like Major League Baseball. And here's what I mean. Having money is going to help. I'm wearing a Dodgers hat even though they knocked out my Reds. But the Dodgers have more room for error. But they still can't be stupid because if they're stupid like the Mets, they won't make it. But you now have a chance to. If you don't have a lot of money and you're smart, you can still make it work, which was really not the case in years before. So you have an Indiana team that's now had back to back good years. Obviously Vandy was in that game with with Alabama yesterday. You have a chance, if you're smart, to make things work. You cannot do, Myron, what you did before, which is just stack loads of talent and overwhelm people because due to money, they will spread out and go to other programs.

[Myron Metcalf]

And you're watching to your point, Matt, the teams that have been able to adjust to that reality are succeeding. Right? The teams that realize that. Wait a minute. This is Moneyball. I had a college coach tell me the other day that he lost a player as a quote cap casualty.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

Didn't want to invest what he thought he was worth. Like, that's the reality of what the sport is right now. And you need really smart people to identify talent. But if you are going to have the arch Mannings of the world, you better make sure that they're as good as you say or you're going to be in a situation, you're going to be in trouble.

[Matt Jones]

You're exactly right. Indiana plays Oregon next week and it's a perfect example of Oregon's got a lot better chance to be great because they have all that money. But Indiana can compete if they're smart. I don't know if that was true in the old regime. And if you're dumb and have money, which Penn State and Texas did, it doesn't guarantee anything. Speaking of not having success, what about your boy Bill Belichick? Who's breaking up with him first, Carolina or Jordan Hudson?

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm not getting into the relationship, but Carolina's in a tough spot. He looks, he looks. He looks like he doesn't want to do this. Is that fair to say?

[Matt Jones]

You switched off that.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't, I don't want to get into romantic.

[Matt Jones]

Why not? It's a beautiful relationship.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know. They may be in love. It sounds like they're in love. I don't know.

[Matt Jones]

You're in love before you lose to tcu?

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know. I don't. I don't know what they got going on, but I will say Belichick looks like he feels like he made a big mistake, you know?

[Matt Jones]

Why do you think this has been so bad? I mean, it's not. I don't know that I ever thought, but like, they're the worst team in the acc. Like, why do you. I mean, I thought he would just buy his sheer, like, coaching abilities, be able to make him competitive.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's the reverse of what you just said. I think Bill Belichick knows talent maybe more than anybody. I think he can identify talent, you know, more than most. If you don't have a dude who can bring a locker room together, how is Belichick relating to anybody in that locker room? Okay, once you get past this 26 year old, I feel like he should.

[Matt Jones]

Be able to relate to him more than anybody. He literally has to deal with one of them on a daily basis.

[Myron Metcalf]

Dating somebody who's younger than you has nothing to do with. To do with you being able to relate to a locker room full of people. And also people know you're faking it too. I just never thought he was gonna be able to really connect with his locker room in a way that I think you have to be able to at this level.

[Matt Jones]

See, I thought the opposite. I thought he was gonna have a heads up thanks to Jordan. I thought he was gonna come in and go six, seven and do all the things that the kids say.

[Myron Metcalf]

I got an uncle who color coordinates his outfits right? And like red shoot like tries to look 22. People laugh at that dude.

[Matt Jones]

I know, but I still thought he was going to be like he would memorize the Bad Bunny song like I thought. I thought that's what he was going to do. And he hasn't done any of it. And it's been disappointing.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, you don't want to see the old dude at the Drake concert. That's not. He's not as cool as he thinks he is. And when you're losing is really. When it's.

[Matt Jones]

No, it's really not as cool. It's not. Look, I think, well, you know, I wanted this, him to be better because I wanted the Jordan, the Jordan Bill thing to be a lot more of a story. But I think it's kind of, it's.

[Myron Metcalf]

Kind of how true that love is in a second.

[Matt Jones]

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[Myron Metcalf]

Matt and Myron the podcast.

[Matt Jones]

It is Matt Myron here on the ESPN radio. You know, back in the day is this Tribe Called Quest, by the way. See, I know. Don't act like just because I have a twang. I don't know the music.

[Myron Metcalf]

You love bringing up Tribe Called Quest, by the way. Do you know you do that a lot? Like you just randomly be like, I had the Tribe Called quest albums in 19.

[Matt Jones]

What do you want from me? I like Tribe Called Quest. Q tip. Right?

[Myron Metcalf]

But it's like your black icebreaker. Like that's kind of like you walk in the networking events like ready to use that.

[Matt Jones]

Well, because I think it gives you some credibility. Like if I come in and I'm like, well, when I was a kid I watched the Jeffersons. I don't think you get quite as.

[Myron Metcalf]

Much don't do that.

[Matt Jones]

Don't do that.

[Myron Metcalf]

But if I say that I liked Q Q tip. Yeah, yeah. You know, Jefferson's is a giveaway like that. You're forcing it. Like, I know you're lying, but no tribe conquest.

[Matt Jones]

Exactly. Went to the barbecue one or two times. Yeah, that's Matt myon here on ESPN radio. This is what ESPN's missed. They, like, had actual sports show for three weeks, and then all of a sudden now. Now you get this. The Vikings are playing the Browns in London right now. Sports tied at 6, 7. It's Carson Wentz and Dylan Gabriel. Not exactly the matchup that. That a lot of people thought we were going to export to London. Carson Wentz, however, 7 to 9, 73 yards. Dylan Gabriel's got a touchdown pass to Harold Fannin Jr Dylan Gabriel got the start. They decided to move on from Flacco. Not a huge shock. Shador Sanders was asked about it. He ended up doing his, like, mime routine, which I didn't totally understand. Myron, what do you make of that whole thing?

[Myron Metcalf]

First off, I don't know if you were here. I don't know when you got back, but when it was announced that Dylan Gabriel was starting, people are like, big news in sports. Dylan Gabriel's gonna get the start. I'm like, what? That's like when somebody's like, hey, get this trivia question right? You get 10 cents off your coffee. It's not that exciting. People act like this. This, like, superstar was coming in. It says more about the dysfunction of the Cleveland Browns than anything else. But I think we didn't even talk about it because it was the Shador Sanders weirdness, the whole miming thing, which I think was a response to Rex Ryan on espn, but I think it was. Yeah, but it was odd. What I think Shador Sanders is doing is everybody who going into the draft was like, listen, there's some other stuff that teams don't want to deal with because he's not talented enough for them to want to deal with this stuff. You're seeing some of that now.

[Matt Jones]

Well, let's talk about the other stuff, because it was interesting to me from afar. Now, I wasn't following it minute to minute, but let's go to Rex Ryan's comments first. Because Rex Ryan said something to the effect of, look, if I know about what's going on, then the whole league knows about what's going on. Even though he didn't say what that was, clearly the implication was something is happening behind the scenes. That's Also a part of this. Then you heard a lot of Pete. There's just. I feel like with es, with. With. With announcers, NFL announcers on all the various platforms, hearing a lot of references to some kind of something happening that I guess I didn't get the insider memo as to what it was that he's doing in the locker room.

[Myron Metcalf]

Because.

[Matt Jones]

Because it sounds like everybody's going, look, your locker room doesn't like you. What do you think that people are talking about?

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know if there's anything specific, but this is a guy who at one point last year was viewed as a possible number one pick who failed to the bottom of the draft. Right.

[Matt Jones]

But there's clearly something going on.

[Myron Metcalf]

But I think that's part of it, though. I think clearly the NFL knew something in terms of what it would be like to deal with Shador Sanders. I don't think he's a bad kid. I don't think there's a bunch of character stuff necessarily. But I do think there is a guy who may not be handling not being in the spotlight. I don't even remember a time when the third quarterback even talked to the media.

[Matt Jones]

Tim Tebow. I mean, this is Tim Tebow. Again, completely different people, right?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

So completely different people. But this was always, in my opinion, once the league established the idea that Shador Sanders was not a first round talent. And I'm just going to trust that the league believed that or somebody would have picked him.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Then I think once he's not a first round talent, then it's like, well, then do we have to deal with all this? I mean, Tim Tebow is a perfect example. The Denver Broncos decided to get him at the end of the first round. But I've heard people say that if he had gotten out of the first round, it might have been like the fifth round for this exact same reason. Because people would have been like, oh, we have to deal with all this stuff. For Tim, it was more like the way the world looked at him. It wasn't him necessarily, but I do think that's what you're seeing here. Right?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. I mean, Tim Tebow was closer to playing, I think, than Shadour Sanders is right now. I mean, I think that's the thing is.

[Matt Jones]

Well, clearly, because he played well for.

[Myron Metcalf]

A little while and Tebow had, you know, Shadur was big in college. Tebow was a superstar in college. Right. But I think the thing with Shador is. And he also had the comment of look around the league, you know, of course, I think I can play.

[Matt Jones]

Well, let's talk about that comment. I mean, that comment to me was the first thing besides the miming he's done. That gave me an indication of what Rex Riot is saying. When you get up and say, I looked around the league and I'm better than a lot of these guys, I mean, that's pretty rude. I mean, there's only 32 quarterbacks. Probably 25 of them are pretty solid. So you're really talking about seven guys. And it's quite a shot at those guys. Right.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's a lot like the dating game in 2025. People don't know who they are. Right. They think they're a 10, so they're looking at tens and they're a five and a half. Right. Listen, he lacks self awareness. I think that's. And here's what I think he's dealing with too. This is the first time in Shadur Sanders career where he actually had to fight for a job. His father has been his coach since he was in elementary school. Like, this is the guy who came into every single fall being like, I'm the starting quarterback. If you can't crack the Cleveland Browns quarterback rotation map with Joe Flacco, who was literally on the couch a year ago with Dylan Gabriel, if you can't rise to the top of that, then maybe you don't even have a place in this league. But here's what he's doing.

[Matt Jones]

It's also, I think it's worth noting it's a shot at Joe Flacco, who, yes, he's 40 plus years old. Yes, he's probably too old to be in the league, but he's well respected around the NFL. He's won a Super bowl and everyone likes Joe Flacco. And when you get up and say, I'm better than a lot of the guys in this league I should be playing. One of the people you're talking about is Joe Flacco, since he had the job right.

[Myron Metcalf]

Directly talking about him. I think what he's also doing is how many backup quarterbacks in this league were just likable dudes who played for 10 years. There's a world where Shador may never be a starter, but can do enough to grind the Teddy Bridgewaters. You can hang around this league and in this era make $100 billion. Matt just kind of being a good dude ready to go. And it's almost like he's torpedoing his entire shot at lasting in this league.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I don't get it. You. I would have thought somebody, I mean, Dion is a perfect example of someone who understood what media image was and seemed very self aware of what he was doing. And his son doesn't seem to be doing that. And yeah, I don't get it. But right now Dylan Gabriel's playing 77 in London. By the way, the Broncos and the Eagles will play today. Coverage begins on ESPN radio at noon. Then we got baseball, Yankees, Blue Jays 330, Game 2 Tigers, Mariners 7:30 on ESPN radio. Full of sports today, all day on ESPN radio. Herm Edwards, I missed him. We're going to talk to him. That's next on Matt Myron, hey, Ryan.

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[Myron Metcalf]

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[Matt Jones]

I am a guest picker today and I can't tell you, Myron, how honored I am to fill the shoes of Matt Jones. It is now time to take the your pick.

[Myron Metcalf]

Commanders at Falcons. I I love you, Lance. We probably got to go a little bit faster here with all the teams we got. No, you don't have to be super sure. But Matt, Matt's all. Matt always does that to me. So you got to go faster. Okay. We kind of got to go rapid fire. We got two minutes left. Matt would be losing his mind right now, by the way, if we had this many games left. Like it would be the whole show. Ravens at Chiefs. Okay, now I think we just have to say the team name at this point. Hackers at Cowboys. Matt Jones will be losing his mind right now. Give me the Packers.

[Matt Jones]

I don't lose my mind. Only when I watch the Cowboys defense.

[Myron Metcalf]

Mad Matt is probably screaming in Africa right now.

[Matt Jones]

You know, see, it's not as easy to drive the ship, is it, Mark? So, see, like, it's easy for you to. But when you have to actually meet the time constraints, now you see what happens.

[Myron Metcalf]

Listen, I don't think you realize how we got to like two minutes left and we had like eight games.

[Matt Jones]

We were. Our time.

[Myron Metcalf]

It was way, way off, man. And I was like, wait a minute. This is not the pace we normally go at.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

And then we got to about the two minute. It was like, at one point I was like, we're not gonna finish, James.

[Matt Jones]

They don't appreciate you till you're gone. Like, Myron's always complaining. And then when he has to be the one to hit the time cues, then. Then it's a different story.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I was at one point like, we're not going to finish. I was like, what are we going to do if we don't get to the game? I was at that point also, you.

[Matt Jones]

Know, we'll be good. Don't worry. I'll make sure that you get it. We're here. Matt, Myron, counting you down to kick off. I'd love to hear from you. By the way, you can Write on Twitter, KY Sports Radio, or on the text machine. 772-7745254. We'll take your calls a little later in King of the Mountain, but we are right now 77 Browns and Vikings. When you. When I told you before the game Carson Wentz versus Dylan Gabriel, you probably would have said, well, that'll be exciting. And you would have been wrong because it's not exciting right now. Myron, to watch this game in London, do you like, like next year we're probably getting one of these games every single week. Do you like that?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I just don't know. We're getting back, but that's a whole nother conversation. I mean, you know.

[Matt Jones]

All right, all right, Mr. President, you. You want all trade wars.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's also. I understand, but also like, we' giving them like Carson wins versus Dylan Gabriel, too. You know what I mean? And then like eight Jaguars games. You know, the Jags are good now, but that hasn't been the case for a long time. I just don't know the plan. Does the info want a team in Europe? Is that a real thing?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, probably. I mean, the thing you don't realize till you leave America and go somewhere is that the NFL is just a non thing anywhere else in the world. Like, it's just not a thing. And we are so used to it dominates every single platform of discussion in sports in the United States. But it's just, you don't, it's. You don't know. I got you, Cam, you didn't have to give me six sentences on Herm being there.

[Myron Metcalf]

Cam gave us a whole.

[Matt Jones]

Cam sitting there talking. I'm trying to come up with sentences. And he is in my head going, herm Edwards is sitting down.

[Myron Metcalf]

Sitting down. And he has a new head, shoes and a. In a red coat.

[Matt Jones]

All right, Cam, do you know how hard it is to talk when someone's talking to you in your ear?

[Myron Metcalf]

The sound blanked out for like 18 seconds. I don't know what you said.

[Matt Jones]

I was in the middle of a sentence and I didn't know what I was saying. Matt, Myron here count you down to kick off. All right. Is Herb Edwards in there right now? Is he ready to go?

[Herm Edwards]

We're still getting him set up.

[Matt Jones]

We're still getting him set up. Okay, that's. All right.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, if you wouldn't have talked to us for the last 30 seconds, you could have been working on getting them set up. That's half the problem.

[Matt Jones]

But back to the London thing for a second. You don't realize how little people sort of pay attention to the NFL outside the world. And I think the goal is put one or two teams in Europe. Make it to where when people go over there, they play them both, right? So it's a two week trip. I think that's what you're going to end up saying.

[Myron Metcalf]

Who would you send? Like, who's, who's the most likely candidate that you give up?

[Matt Jones]

Well, I think you, I don't think that's what you do. I mean, I think what you're going to see the NFL do is probably sometime in the next decade, you add like four teams, right? You do it over some period of time. Maybe you put one in Europe, you put one in south, maybe two in Europe, one in South America, maybe one in like Australia. And that's what you're doing. I think that's what they're going to do one day.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. You could give them the Panthers, though. We'd be okay, right? It wouldn't, it wouldn't be a protest.

[Matt Jones]

What's wrong with the Panthers? Herm Edwards is there. Herm, it's nice to. I hear. I know you've. You, you're back and you're rolling and it's good to have you.

[Herm Edwards]

Thank you, my friends. And you know, I looked at my schedule and I knew something was wrong. I said, you know what? I'm generally on radio with my guys on Sunday. And then I walked over here and they said, coach. And I was like, I'm late. I'm sorry. I said it wasn't on my schedule.

[Matt Jones]

But you know you're always late. I know, I know. Why are you always late? Thank you.

[Herm Edwards]

I'm scared to death. That's the one thing I'm afraid of.

[Matt Jones]

But you really are always late. You're like ex girlfriends of mine. I just have to put in a 10 minute curve with you.

[Myron Metcalf]

Wait, what? Where is what?

[Herm Edwards]

All right, here we go.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm just saying.

[Matt Jones]

I'm just saying there's a 10 minute Herm curve.

[Herm Edwards]

I'm glad I could squeeze y' all in because I got GMA again at 1 o'.

[Myron Metcalf]

Clock.

[Herm Edwards]

You know, my important things are, you.

[Myron Metcalf]

Know, Herm, he just got back from a trip, so, you know, he's got, he's got a little bit of jet lag.

[Matt Jones]

Herm, I was in South Africa for three weeks.

[Myron Metcalf]

Oh, wow.

[Herm Edwards]

How good was that, huh?

[Matt Jones]

It was awesome. It was awesome.

[Myron Metcalf]

He didn't call anybody, by the way, either. He didn't reach out.

[Matt Jones]

Herm, I still found a way to be on time today. So that's where.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay, you can get.

[Herm Edwards]

Don't you anymore. I'm good.

[Myron Metcalf]

Herm, you're good.

[Matt Jones]

You're good with her kid, with you. You know I love you. You know I love you. All right. Since I've been gone the last three weeks. So I, so I come back and I look at things and I sit and I see some teams and I go, all right, is this team for real or not? So I'm going to give you a couple of teams here. Herman, I want you to tell me when we get to week 11, is this team for real? Buccaneers and Seahawks are playing today. They're both three and one. Are they for real?

[Herm Edwards]

I like, I like Tampa. I like Baker Mayfield. I like what he's all about. You know, I just think they're. Now, I think this is, this is a tough cast today. I mean, you know, but, but, but I do believe the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are for real. They'll win that division.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, what about the Seahawks?

[Herm Edwards]

I don't know so much, you know, NFC west, pretty complicated division when you think about it. You know, I think San Francisco, when they get healthy again, they're going to Be much better. And the Rams are hard out. So in Arizona kind of medicine around.

[Matt Jones]

But Sam Darnold's looking. We thought he was one or two year thing, and now maybe he's turned it around.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah, he's been to a bunch of teams. You're pulling for him, that's for sure.

[Matt Jones]

All right, what about the. What about the Colts? Indiana Jones, Daniel there. Is that. Is that for real?

[Herm Edwards]

Boy, I tell you what, that was hard for me to grasp. You know, like, you go the Colts.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. Really? The Colts.

[Herm Edwards]

I said, is, did Peyton Manning go back? You know, And I'm like, no, it's just Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones. And you know what? I pull for guys like that that have found a way and now found a place that really has offered them the olive branch and really built the offense around his skill set.

[Matt Jones]

And they might have the best running back in the league right now.

[Herm Edwards]

You know, that division's. I mean, who would have ever thought that the Texans was going to be one and three right now? Right?

[Matt Jones]

All right, what about the Jaguars? Another team in that division? Are they for real? With my guy, Liam Cohen, former UK offensive coordinator.

[Herm Edwards]

You know what? It's about time that Trevor Lawrence played up to the building. That's what I'm going to say, you know, because his first year or so, everybody. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, yeah. And then all of a sudden he hit this spot where it's like, what's wrong with this team? What's wrong with this guy? Now all of a sudden, he's kind of found his way again. So I'm okay. I'm okay with the Jaguars. I like the way they're playing right now.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. Speaking of the Jaguars, what bothered me about the Travis Hunter conversation, Coach, was that people pretended as if we haven't had athletes in the NFL for decades who could play multiple positions. Right?

[Herm Edwards]

Correct.

[Myron Metcalf]

There have been so many great athletes who could have done that.

[Herm Edwards]

Yes.

[Myron Metcalf]

But they didn't do it because it's just that hard. Travis Hunter comes in and people say, this is going to be different. There's a generational talent. He can play both sides of the ball. Coach, he's not good on either side of the ball right now. What would you do with Travis Hunter if you were Jackson?

[Herm Edwards]

When I drafted him, I used to play corner.

[Myron Metcalf]

You would have told him that. What if he said. What if he says, I'm not. I'm not coming to let you.

[Matt Jones]

But you don't trade up for him. If you're going to play, just play him at corner. Right. He's not the number two pick then.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, you know, that's. That can be discussed, but wherever he goes, I'm playing him at corner. And then as he works in during the season, maybe halfway through the season, if you feel like he's doing okay, you give him a couple plays on offense, you have third down situations, Red. But. But no, he's a. For me, he's a defensive guy. He can help me more on defense than anywhere else. Why? Because he can go over on one side of the field, guard the opponent. And here's what I like about him the most. He can catch the football.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

He can take the football away because he can catch. Right. And that's what you want on defense. You want to take the ball away. He can do that. But right now, look, this was disaster when they said they're going to play this guy both ways.

[Matt Jones]

So you thought that was a mistake. Oh, my God.

[Herm Edwards]

You can't do it to the guy. It's not fair to him. This is not fair to the kid. His head is probably swimming right now. Right. With all the information he's trying to gather. Guys, he's playing in the NFL. These are the best players in captivity that he's playing against.

[Matt Jones]

Now you. I thought the most important game last week was Chiefs. Ravens for one. I thought it was okay. Which one is actually for real. And the Chiefs to me looked like the Chiefs. So I got two part question. First of all, are the Chiefs back on track? Or at least were they. Now we know they're on track. And then B, I know Lamar is out today, but even when he returns, is it the Ravens just their defense is too bad.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, who would ever imagine that the Baltimore Ravens would not play defense?

[Matt Jones]

None.

[Herm Edwards]

That's worse than the league almost. That's. That's blasphemy when you say something like that. It's hard to say that coming out of your mouth. The Ravens can't play defense.

[Matt Jones]

What?

[Herm Edwards]

That's Baltimore Ravens.

[Matt Jones]

That's what they do, play defense.

[Herm Edwards]

They can't play defense. And you know, now Lamar being out, that doesn't help them a lot. And so, you know, they have a defense now where if you're a Raven offensive player, you feel like you got to score at least 24 just to be in the game. Just to be in the game. So it's unbelievable. Chiefs on the other side, they're back.

[Matt Jones]

As soon as you got Xavier Worthy, it's a different offense and it's just.

[Herm Edwards]

It'S more explosive again. Right. And that's what? That's what you see right now. Although Patrick Mahomes was off a little bit earlier in some games, but they look different. You know, their defense kind of held them in there, but now all of a sudden they have that. That.

[Matt Jones]

And when Travis Kelce doesn't have to be your primary option, now all of a sudden you got something right.

[Herm Edwards]

That's exactly right.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

True. Yes.

[Myron Metcalf]

Coach, what would you do with an Eagles team where you're winning?

[Herm Edwards]

Oh, boy.

[Myron Metcalf]

But you got wide receivers who are publicly upset, and that's become the headline. How would you handle that in the locker room with A.J. brown and everything that's happening with.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, you know, obviously it starts with your coordinator and, you know, you got to disperse plays to certain players. And I think, you know, I was always big on this, like having Tony Gonzalez. I said, look, he's got to get at least 12 targets. I don't care what you call, how you call it, but the ball's got to go to him 12 times. Now, will he catch all 12? I don't know that, but he's going to be involved.

[Matt Jones]

Why would you do that? Why did you feel like you had to do 12 first?

[Herm Edwards]

Well, there's a number. There's always a number. Because you figure if you run offense, you're going to get 60 plus plays.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

All right, so if you're a running team, the runners got to carry at least 20 times, right? So, look, saquon bark's got to carry 20. At least 20. Okay, so then where else do you go with the ball? Okay. A.J. brown, is it 15 targets? Okay. All right, well, that's. Okay. Here you go. That's 35 plays already.

[Matt Jones]

I want to play for you.

[Herm Edwards]

You know what I'm saying?

[Matt Jones]

15 times.

[Herm Edwards]

I mean, you'll get 15 targets in a game. Think about it.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

I mean, you're the best receiver they got. I mean, you can move. Because right now I think they got.

[Matt Jones]

To throw the ball to be able.

[Herm Edwards]

To run the ball.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

Because everyone is. There's 10 guys in the box.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

Guys, we said it last year. Saquon Barkley ran for 2,000 yards. I said, there ain't no way he's running for 2000. It ain't even going to be close this year. Yeah, because they're not going to allow Saquon Barkley to beat you.

[Matt Jones]

They still won last week.

[Herm Edwards]

They're the ugliest 4 and O team in captivity right now.

[Matt Jones]

You're probably right. All right, I got to ask you this. I know you love Football, Yes. There's some horrible games on the schedule.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, then I want to ask.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, they're just gangs.

[Matt Jones]

I want to ask you, even Mr. Football love himself Edwards, would you make time to watch either Giant Saints or Dolphins, Panthers, Would you make time to watch those two games?

[Herm Edwards]

Personally, I would, because it's a football game.

[Matt Jones]

So at Dolphins, Panthers, you're clearing out the schedule to watch it.

[Herm Edwards]

I mean, you're not asking me would I buy a ticket to go. But it's free television. I'm gonna watch it. I mean, because you know what, you're still waiting for, like Miami to be this team that it. Remember when Miami, like couple years ago and they had that offense, it was like, woo. Now all of a sudden people have caught up with it. I mean, and it's like, man, they're not the same team right now. Carolina, you're looking at them, you're going, man, what's, what's wrong with the Panthers all of a sudden? Football is a funny deal, boy. As soon as you think you're kind of good and you got it figured out, then all of a sudden the next year you're like, we got the same guys. What's wrong? Right?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

Can't figure it out.

[Matt Jones]

Well, there's some bad teams playing against each other. Herb, good to see your face. I appreciate it. Next time when we say it's 10:30, I'll be here, you know, we're going to assume it's 1040, but we love you. I will promise you I will be here. I'm getting with you. It's great to see you. We will be. It's Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio.

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[Myron Metcalf]

Matt and Myron. The podcast.

[Matt Jones]

It's Matt myron here on ESPN radio, presented by Progressive Insurance. Dr. Pepper. Colin lines 888 say ESPN might talk to you at some point. Got baseball games today, got football games today. We're gonna talk a little bucks. Seahawks, lines, Bengals. I just.

[Myron Metcalf]

I like.

[Matt Jones]

Sometimes I see the headlines of sound. We can play Myron.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And this says, for Lions, Bingles, I could play sound by Emmett Golden. And the headline is, doesn't understand why everyone seems to love Jake Browning. Who loves Jake Browning? Did I miss a Jake Browning love March while I was gone? By who?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I think a lot of people were like, you know, the Bangles are going to be okay. Who? Because Jake Brown. A lot of people because Jake.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, we've had Jake Browning play before, and they stunk like they were.

[Myron Metcalf]

They were 500. They were actually okay. When he had that stint two years ago without Joe Burrow, he wasn't great, but he wasn't terrible. So I think a lot of people thought they had a capable backup.

[Matt Jones]

I didn't know that there was a Jake Brownie who. Who's leading the Jake Browning.

[Myron Metcalf]

People are excited about. Who are the people that are excited when it. When it came out that Joe Burrow got hurt, the reaction was, yes, this is a bad deal, but at least you have a capable backup in Jake Browning. That was the response from a lot of people.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I don't know where those people were talking right now, by the way. Still, by. If you've been following still seven. Seven Vikings and Browns. Carson Wentz is hurt. Yeah, he is in the back. And now the new Vikings quarterback, at least for now, will be Max Brosmer. He's tossing the ball on the sideline. He began the season his third string. Now he is first string coming up, Max Brosmer. I don't know who that person is. So, Myron, will you give me what I need to know about Max Brosmer?

[Myron Metcalf]

You should know about Max Brosnan because he's a huge, huge story here. He played for the University of Minnesota.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. Why should I know him? Because he played for Minnesota.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, he played for University of Minnesota, so this is a potentially like a Disney movie kind of thing. Yeah. A lot of people didn't think he was an NFL guy. Ends up with the Vikings, you know, probably had to give up his apartment. Probably didn't have to give up his apartment.

[Matt Jones]

This is like. You're saying this is like Frozen, but the Max Bras story.

[Myron Metcalf]

Listen, if he. If he ends up being good. Okay, here's the thing. Let's say he's great right now.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

Carson doesn't come back and he leads them to a win. And JJ McCarthy still hurt. Let's say Carson Wentz is hurt and let's say he just starts winning.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. I mean have one play before we start the script to the.

[Myron Metcalf]

We're three weeks away from somebody sending Disney the proposal. That's all I'm saying. If it happens. University of Minnesota kid leading the Vikings potentially to the playoffs. If that happens. That's a Disney store.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, I want you let's. It is 10:52 in the AM on the east Coast. This is Perspectives I would like for you. I would like for someone to write down the time and say Myron is predicting.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's not what I said.

[Matt Jones]

Max Brosmer.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's not what I said. That's not what I said.

[Matt Jones]

That's what I said. That's what I heard.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, no. I said if in fact he's good. It's an easy Disney script. He went to the University of Minnesota down the street from where the Vikings play. Probably didn't even give up his lease. Probably lives in the same apartment.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And in college you are just making facts up about Max Brosmer now hoping that they. Are you trying to get it to where they option your. Your writing of the Max Brosmer story for the movie.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm the closest writer ESPN has to it. You know so.

[Matt Jones]

Well, we will be keeping you up to date on this new Max Brosner epic happening in London in front of eight to 10 people watching at Tottenham Stadium Now. The Buckets play the Seahawks today in the only matchup of teams 3 and 1 or better playing against each other. On paper this is the best game of the day. Although I don't think people would have seen it. Sam Darnold's played very well actually. I think has been maybe one of the surprise of the season. I don't think people thought he would continue his success in Seattle. Baker has been awesome and fun. Who you like today in on the west Coast.

[Myron Metcalf]

I like that this game shatters your entire theory about quarterbacks and which ones you should pay. Your whole thing has always been either you have.

[Matt Jones]

It's not over.

[Myron Metcalf]

Listen, hold on. Either it's you have a rookie quarterback and you're building around them on that contract or you have a guy who's a max deal guy who is so good he makes up for.

[Matt Jones]

You're missing whatever you don't have what I said. You're missing what I said. I said you can't win a Super bowl without one of those guys. But my Comment was this game actually proves my comment, which was, if you can't have one of those guys, then go do a Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield kind of thing. Go get a guy who's mid level. He can get you to the playoffs. Now, I don't think he can win a Super Bowl. Sam Darnold and Baker Melfield night, where you lose, remember, remember, my point is not who you're who quarterback. My point is who you don't pay. You don't go pay the dude making zillions. And neither the Bucks or the Seahawks have done that.

[Myron Metcalf]

They've paid them significantly. Not, not 50 million. They have paid 50 million.

[Matt Jones]

I, I, I am okay with Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold contracts. What I'm not okay with is giving Baker Mayfield $55 million. If they did that, I would say that's a mistake.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, the idea for the Minnesota Vikings that were watching right now is they thought Sam Darnold wanted too much money, wanted 40 million plus.

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Myron Metcalf]

They didn't want to bring him back at that number. They thought last year was about as good as you were going to get from Sam Darnold. And right now it looks like a mistake. They've got a guy who played down the street from them at quarterback right now because their quarterback room is all messed up.

[Matt Jones]

And that might be true, but what's Sam Darnold making in Seattle?

[Myron Metcalf]

What's, I don't know, 40 million plus.

[Matt Jones]

He's making. He's making 40 million plus.

[Myron Metcalf]

40 million plus.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. Well, then let's see how that works out at the end of the year because that strikes me as being too much money for him.

[Myron Metcalf]

But, I mean, but then, but you could also the challenge, if you're a Minnesota team, you end up in a situation where if you don't hit it exactly right with a rookie quarterback or a guy you have, then you're in a bad situation.

[Matt Jones]

But you could have Max Brosmer, who, according to you, is going to have a Disney movie written about him. So this may all end up working out as Max Brosmer in his apartment down the street, where he goes to the local grocery store, ends up becoming a star, as Myron Metcalf predicted. And we will find out during these two hours. It's Matt Myron here. We'll talk a little baseball next on ESPN Radio.

[Myron Metcalf]

Matt and Myron, the podcast.

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