Hour 1: Sharing a Studio

Summary

Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron

Episode: Hour 1: Sharing a Studio
Date: February 8, 2026
Hosts: Myron Medcalf & Matt Jones
Special Guest: Herm Edwards (ESPN Analyst, Former NFL Coach/Player)

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Episode Overview

The first hour of this Super Bowl Sunday episode spotlights Matt reporting live from a buzzing San Francisco for Super Bowl 60, while Myron holds down the ESPN Bristol studio. The duo dives into the electric atmosphere of Radio Row, shares stories of celebrity encounters, muses on generational sports icons, and builds anticipation for the Patriots-Seahawks matchup. Herm Edwards joins for an insightful, lighthearted football breakdown, with segments ranging from quarterback psychology to NFL coaching prospects. The episode caps with a lively debate about college basketball's court storming culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Super Bowl Radio Row: Star Encounters & Atmosphere

(00:34–09:30)

• Matt’s San Francisco Dispatch:

  • Matt details his sleepless, party-filled stint at Super Bowl Radio Row, brushing elbows with media and sports celebrities.

  • Notable encounters: Joe Flacco, Martha Stewart, Ludacris performance, an awe-inspiring moment seeing Bo Jackson and Barry Sanders together.

  • Matt reflects on the surreal sense of “star overload," but admits that legends like Bo Jackson still leave him starstruck.

    “The first person that took my breath away—I turn around and I’m three feet from Bo Jackson…while I’m gawking at Bo, Barry Sanders walks up. Barry Sanders and Bo Jackson dap. Coolest thing I’ve ever seen.”
    –Matt, (03:56)

• Hierarchy of Celebrity:

  • At the Sports Illustrated party, Matt observes the "stratospheres of fame," noting how attention shifts dramatically when Justin Bieber enters, even overshadowing NFL players like Bryce Young.

    "After [Bieber] walks in, everyone’s excited. Then here comes Bryce Young… but they’re like, Justin Bieber’s right there. I’m not interested in Bryce Young."
    –Matt, (07:12)

• San Francisco Praise & Transit Chaos:

  • Matt defends San Francisco’s beauty and ambiance, counters negative media narratives, and recounts hectic Super Bowl traffic—particularly battling autonomous Waymo vehicles.

    “Waymos are my enemy, Myron…One cut me off, didn’t even signal. I threw multiple birds up at Waymos today; I hope they remember me here in San Francisco.”
    –Matt, (10:13 & 12:34)

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Super Bowl 60 Preview: Patriots vs. Seahawks

Featuring Herm Edwards
(15:06–22:07)

• Coaching & Player Analysis:

  • Herm breaks down the challenges for both teams, especially managing nerves and early-game mistakes.

  • Sam Darnold’s Mindset (Seahawks): Herm stresses the importance of scripting confidence-building plays, leaning on the running game, and exploiting matchups (e.g., double-covering JSN, placing Gonzalez on the #2 receiver).

  • Big Plays and Momentum: Both teams statistically excel at explosive plays. Herm underscores turnovers and early drives as critical.

    “Turnovers are always—nerves always kind of get you in this game… The first five minutes are critical. Both these teams weren’t even in the playoffs last year.”
    –Herm Edwards, (18:03)

• Style Clash – Boring But Effective:

  • New England’s “boring” profile is dissected. Herm reminds listeners that excitement is not required to win championships.

    “You don't have to be exciting to win, but they win.”
    –Herm Edwards, (19:28)

  • Myron objects to widespread skepticism of Patriots’ rookie QB, Drake May:

    “Drake May is the MVP, was the best QB in the NFL…What do the Patriots have to do for people to believe?”
    –Myron, (19:56)

• Key Predictions:

  • Herm leans Seahawks, but with respect for New England's tenacity and May's ability. Myron boldly picks May to control the game, downplays Sam Darnold’s reliability.

    “I think Drake May controls this game, not the Seattle defense…and then Sam Darnold, you know, the collapse is coming. It's just a matter of time.”
    –Myron, (21:14)

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Athlete Post-Career Life & NFL Coaching Carousel

(24:21–34:20)

• Player Fitness vs. Post-Career Weight:

  • Matt marvels that some ex-NFLers (like Herm) maintain peak fitness, while others "go the other direction."
  • Herm credits routine, discipline, and valuing health:

    "We're all built on routine…I like working out in the morning."
    –Herm Edwards, (25:16)

• NFL Coaching Jobs – Why Some Fail:

  • Herm explains that ownership dysfunction and lack of synergy with GMs doom coaches more than talent.

    "There's about 10 [teams] in the league...it's always the same old story." –Herm Edwards, (27:41)

  • Bad ownership impacts all layers—from meddling with staff to unsound football decisions:

    “I wouldn't want [some] ownership to run the store around the corner from my house.”
    –Myron, (28:25)

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NFL Quarterbacks: Trades, Lefties, & Revival Hopes

(28:47–34:20)

• Vets on the Move:
  • Herm ranks Kirk Cousins as the best fit for a team seeking mentorship and steadiness, while noting Tua needs the right system and Kyler Murray requires a special offense.
• Does Location Revive QBs’ Careers?
  • Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones’ rebounds are cited as proof that context matters. Herm argues there aren't 32 “franchise” QBs in the league, so sometimes a fit—even if imperfect—is worthwhile.
• The Left-Handed Quarterback Conversation:

  • Herm details why lefties present challenges—different ball spin, play formation quirks—noting Tua's stats but also his unique fit needs.

    “Problem is he's left handed. People say, well, that's—yeah, it's different. Ball comes out different…it's just different.”
    –Herm Edwards, (31:19)

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Coaching Patience & Defensive Value

(34:38–35:23)

• Rapid Firing of Coaches:
  • Herm critiques short-leash mentalities among NFL owners:

    “Two or three… if you ain't winning in two years, your third year, you're on odds now.”
    –Herm Edwards, (33:59)

• Offense vs. Defense Debate:

  • Myron insists defense “never wins championships”; Herm counters that defense keeps you in games and buys quarterbacks time.

    “Defenses keep you in the game. Offense has to win it, but defenses keep you in the game.”
    –Herm Edwards, (35:23)

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Football Legends: Barry Sanders & Bo Jackson

(35:33–37:23)

• Legends Among Us:

  • Matt recounts seeing Sanders and Jackson together, calling it a highlight of his Radio Row experience.

  • Herm reminisces about coaching against them, calling Barry “unbelievable” for his agility, Bo “powerful,” but extols Jim Brown as the best:

    “Jim Brown [is the] best football player ever put football pants on, in my opinion. Jim Brown, not close.”
    –Herm Edwards, (36:41)

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College Basketball Sidebar: Court Storming Debate

(41:24–46:12)

• Carolina Fans’ Court Storm:

  • Matt and Myron react to North Carolina fans storming the court after a win against Duke; Duke head coach John Shire voices safety concerns after an alleged altercation.

  • Myron, siding with Shire, critiques the “cowardly” mob mentality of modern court-storming, exacerbated by social media.

    "My problem with court storming is people do things they'd never do one on one... Somebody's gonna get their teeth knocked out though."
    –Myron, (43:41)

• Matt's View:

  • Matt defends court storming as a cherished college basketball tradition, highlighting its emotional spontaneity.

    "It is the one definitive basketball thing... That spontaneity, that excitement—makes college basketball great."
    –Matt, (44:11)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Matt on the celebrity spectacle at SI party:

  “As we walked down the red carpet, no one took our picture. Not one person.”
  (07:09)

• Myron on left-handed quarterbacks:

  “I have a problem with left handed people. They always tell you about how they’re different and all the things they do differently.”
  (32:57)

• Herm on ex-players staying fit:

  “It’s just, you know, whatever you deem is important to you, you know, and for me, it was my health.”
  (25:16)

• Matt (joking) after seeing all-time legends up close:

  “If I go up to Barry Sanders, am I just gonna go, ‘Hey Barry Sanders, you were good at football’?”
  (05:49)

• Herm on coaching volatility:

  “Owners are quick to pull the trigger in today's era…generally the teams that always keep changing, they keep losing.”
  (33:59–34:20)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Super Bowl Radio Row and Parties: 00:34–09:30
• San Francisco Reflections & Transit Tales: 09:30–13:02
• Herm Edwards Previews Super Bowl 60: 15:06–22:07
• Life After Football—Fitness & Recovery: 24:21–26:54
• NFL Coaches & Ownership Issues: 26:54–28:47
• Quarterback Carousel & Left-Handed QBs: 28:47–34:20
• Coaching Patience & Defense/Offense Philosophy: 34:38–35:33
• Football Legend Storytime: 35:33–37:23
• Court Storming Debate (Duke/UNC): 41:24–46:12

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Tone & Style

• Lighthearted, candid, and at times, irreverent: The hosts swap playful digs, joke about each other’s football prowess, and riff on their unique celebrity encounters.
• Thoughtful sports analysis: Especially in Herm’s segments, the tone is more analytical and seasoned with football wisdom.
• Authentically bantering: Matt and Myron’s chemistry carries through with friendly debates and cultural asides.

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Summary for the Uninitiated

This episode blends the insider spectacle of Super Bowl week with armchair debate and nostalgic storytelling. From Matt’s star-studded escapades in San Francisco to a granular breakdown of Super Bowl 60, the episode seamlessly combines sports fandom, expert opinion, and behind-the-scenes color. The inclusion of Herm Edwards brings gravity and practical insight to the NFL discussion, while segments like the court storming debate inject lively cultural commentary.

You’ll walk away with a sense of Super Bowl buzz, get expert takes on the Patriots-Seahawks matchup, and enjoy a hearty serving of sports radio camaraderie at its best.

Transcript

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[Myron]

This is Matt and Myron, the podcast.

[Matt]

It is February and it is also Super Bowl Sunday. Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio, presented by Progressive Insurance. I am coming to you live from a hotel in San Francisco, right next to the airport where I've been all week for Super Bowl Radio Row and the parties last night, Myron did not get the and was not allowed to leave the East Coast. So he is in Bristol, Connecticut, in studio.

[Myron]

Myron.

[Matt]

It's been about 65 degrees and sunny all week. We have missed you here and you have missed a great time at Super Bowl 60.

[Myron]

It would have been fun, man. How much sleep did you get?

[Matt]

Cause, you know, not a lot.

[Myron]

Okay.

[Matt]

Like, if you hear this voice, it's a little more. It's a little more berry whitish than usual. Yeah, it's because last night I went to the Sports Illustrated party here at the Cow palace, got home about 2 o' clock your my time, which is about 5:00am Eastern.

[Myron]

Okay.

[Matt]

Did what were could amount to sleep, and then got up and said, you know what? I got to entertain these masses. I can't just be out partying. And here I am. Saw all the big stars last night, Got to hear Ludacris perform.

[Myron]

I'm jealous.

[Matt]

That was fun. I forgot how many bangers Luda had. Although he's got this thing, though, where between every song, he decides to tell me stories and to talk about his career and. And tell me that I'm not loud enough. And I didn't like any of that. Just, you know, just sing.

[Myron]

He's getting older. You know, when you get older, you start to tell more stories in between songs. But I'm jealous, man. You saw. You saw Ludacris, man, and you took a photo that was amazing of Barry Sanders and Bo Jackson, and I think.

[Matt]

That was one of the. All right, so this is a true story. So I'm sitting there, we're doing our morning local radio show, and I've never had this reaction happen to me.

[Myron]

You.

[Matt]

For people who don't know how Radio Row works, it's not just radio. So you got to think about, like, every thing you consume in media is right there, Myron. And they're next to each other, right? So Stephen A's right here with his show. There you got Pat McAfee over here is, you know, Mad Dog. Then you got the NFL Network. And everybody's around like a circle. And then on the inside are all the radio stations from around the country. And it gets to where it's a little mind numbing because you just see stars left and right. Like, I walked in, nearly tackled Joe Flacco. I almost ended his career for the sixth time because he got. Because like, he's just walking around and every level of star is there. I got to see Martha Stewart, Myron. That's exciting. When have you seen, you ever seen Martha Stewart? She cut. She looks at 84 years old. She looks amazing.

[Myron]

Oh, yeah. No, no, Martha's, Martha's great. I haven't seen in person, though.

[Matt]

And then there's ludicrous, etc. So my point is, you almost get numb to all these stars. You get to a point that somebody that would be cool to see you, somebody be like, hey, you know, there's, there's Brock Purdy. You go, whatever. I just saw, you know, I just saw Joe Montana. Who cares about Brock Purd? But I will tell you, the first person that took my breath away, it almost made me. I turn around and I'm three feet from B.O. jackson.

[Rich Eisen]

Yeah.

[Matt]

I mean, this is Bo Jackson, right? You, you're, you know, you came from my age that with the bat on his shoulders and the shirt off and the shoulder pads climbing the wall in Kansas City, it's Bo Jackson. And while I'm sitting there gawking at Bo Jackson live on the air, Barry Sanders comes up and like, Barry Sanders and Bo Jackson, like, do you know Dap. And then. And it was the coolest thing I've ever seen. Yeah.

[Myron]

Did you, for me, I was wondering, like with Bo and Barry, when you saw them, did you tell them about me in certain circles. Tell them about you? What about in certain circles? Growing up in Milwaukee, they called me the Barry Sanders of the city. You know, Bo Jackson.

[Matt]

Like, I didn't see.

[Myron]

That is how I was described. You didn't mention me.

[Matt]

It's funny, when I see two legends like that, you're the last person that comes to my mind. I was gonna bring up, I was going to bring up Scott Van Pelt, but I didn't. However, when I saw him, here's what's Kind of funny.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

You know, you get to a certain age, even the coolest athletes you've ever seen, they can become old.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Barry Sanders was wearing a. You got to go look at what Barry Sanders was wearing. My picture, he was wearing a button up shirt that was short sleeve, but like one of those shirts that only like dorky dads wear. And it was, it was tucked into khaki pants and like they had like Converse dad shoes. And I was like, barry Sanders looks like he should be at like a PTA event. What happened to Barry Sanders? But, you know, time hits us all.

[Myron]

My, yeah, he got older, Barry got older, Bo got older. But still, I mean, the greatest athletes of my generation, two of the greatest. I was really jealous. Like, I wasn't jealous of the other stuff, but I was jealous when I saw that Bo Jackson, Barry Sanders collaboration, man, because that's like my childhood idols in one photo. So that was cool.

[Matt]

And sometimes you see that and you like want to meet him and then you realize, like, what are you going to say to him? Like, if I go up to Barry Sanders, am I just going to go, hey, Barry Sanders, you were good at football. I mean, there's only so much you can. So many, so much. Like that Chris Farley interview with Paul McCartney. Remember when you were in the Beatles, like, there's really not a whole lot else you can say.

[Myron]

Yeah, I would have told him that he and I had a similar move. We did. You know, that's a different story. But when I was coming up, like.

[Matt]

He was that in football or was that in football?

[Myron]

He had a juke move that, you know, I don't know who did it first, but we've had similar movements on the, on the football team.

[Matt]

Oh, you would claim maybe you did it first.

[Myron]

Well, I don't, you know, things travel. I don't know who did it first, but, you know, one of those situations. But I mean, to see him and then to meet Bo Jackson, for me, that would have been all I needed from the super bowl experience, man.

[Matt]

And then the Sports Illustrated party is just like mega celebrity after mega celebrity. You get to see the stratospheres of celebrity at that event. Right. So when Justin Bieber walks in, he. So there's a VIP entrance with a red carpet. For reasons unknown to me, me and my buddies got to go in that entrance. As we, as we walked down the red carpet, Myron, no one took our picture. Not one person.

[Myron]

But why would you.

[Matt]

You don't know who we are.

[Rich Eisen]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Then like Justin Bieber comes In people lose their minds. Like, people are going crazy. Everyone's asking interviews. But this again, you get to see the stratospheres. Because after he walks in, everybody's excited. Then here comes Bryce Young. Normally people be excited, but they're like, Justin Bieber's right there. I'm not interested in Bryce Young. So you kind of get to figure out where you are on the social stratosphere.

[Myron]

I think, you know, his PR team has to do something different there. Because if Bieber goes. I'm not going after Bieber. You know, I'm not. I'm a. Wait a minute.

[Matt]

Stay in the car for a while.

[Myron]

You wait a little while and let that kind of. Because that's. That's a big thing to follow, man.

[Matt]

You go wait for like, I don't know, Skilo to come in.

[Myron]

Flow Rider come. Flow Rider can come. And then if I.

[Matt]

Flow Rider. Flow Rider is always your example of a. Of a B level celebrity.

[Myron]

He just appears at things like that. So that's who I would rather follow. Not Bieberman.

[Matt]

Yeah, well, Ludacris was there. He performed. You forget how many hits Luda has.

[Myron]

A lot.

[Matt]

He has a lot. And then the chain smokers. And when the chain smoker started, you know, for me, I'm. Every time electronic dance music starts, it's just like. And it. And it just sounds the same to me and I just go, you know what? It was nice to see the chain smokers. I'm gonna go ahead and get the Uber and come home.

[Myron]

What, what, what are the chain smokers? What do they. What song?

[Matt]

They don't sing anything. There's not. There's nothing the chain smokers do that, you know, I can guarantee you that is that.

[Myron]

I don't.

[Matt]

I don't know it either. But you don't. You do not know it.

[Myron]

Is that the dude who was on the Voice? Is that his group or is that somebody else? The dude on the Voice, the dude.

[Matt]

I don't know who talk. Been a lot of people on the Voice over the years. It's like a group of DJs Etc. But it was an awesome time. I highly recommend you coming and it gets you ready for the game. And I will say this been here a while. This pretty much 5050 distribution of fans to me between Patriots and Seahawks and an interesting super bowl because it felt like every fan I've been around, they're just happy to be here. Like the Patriots and Seahawks, since neither team expected to be here, their fans have a giddiness about being here that I almost wonder if the loser will, while they'll be disappointed, will still kind of say, hey, we far exceeded what we thought we would do.

[Myron]

I think both can say that. I mean, with a young Drake May, you got to feel like this is just the beginning. And if you're the Seahawks, you never imagine that Sam Darnold would take you there. You got a 38 year old coach. So I think both fan bases should be excited no matter what happens.

[Matt]

Well, it should be. One of the things everybody would be excited about is if you're coming. The traffic. I want to just say this. I'm very pro. San Francisco. San Francisco gets a lot of heat in the media about, oh, it's no good. This is the prettiest city.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

In the United States. You cannot find a city with more beautiful views, better food and just a greater ambiance. You know, everybody always talks about, oh, it's not safe.

[Myron]

Not.

[Matt]

I have really enjoyed San Francisco. I felt safe the whole time. But more importantly, this city is got unique things, nothing no other place has. And it's been really good to experience it all week.

[Myron]

No, that's definite. A great culture there and I'm glad the city is being put in the spotlight. I wonder what Travis gonna be like to get to the actual game because.

[Matt]

It'S not right there, right?

[Myron]

It's not. It's close, right?

[Matt]

Yeah. It's not Santa Clara where the game is like an hour from San Francisco. And the traffic, that's the only downside. But that's true of LA too. You come to California, everybody's got a car. Last thing I'll tell you what freaks me out. James, Rachel, it's tight. This is coming to Yalls World and just be ready to freak out the waymos the cars without driving. Okay. You know, it's not just about. It's not even about getting in the car. They are aggressive, mean drivers to not exist. They cut through traffic. They look at you and think they own the road. And you can honk at them and flip them off all you want, but they don't really exist. And you look like a crazy man. And I've been cussing at waymos for a week and I'm gonna tell you I'm a waymo and enemy. They should one one waymo cut me off in traffic, didn't even signal and I was so mad and I realized there wasn't anything I could do about it. Waymos are my enemy, Myron. And they are going to be my.

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[Matt]

That's what I just learned.

[Myron]

I don't want any part of it.

[Matt]

Let me tell you what happened to this quickly. A true story. Three lanes of traffic. Crazy traffic. The Waymox thinks it's so cool. It starts cutting people off. It see, it doesn't have an advanced brain like a human. It pulls into the park. You know how you can park on the street? It pulls into the parking thing like it was a lane, and it gets stuck. And I was. And nobody was letting it in. They were all like, yeah, sit there behind those parked cars, Waymo. Ain't nothing you gonna be able to do about it. And I looked in the car, and the girl was in the car. She seemed trapped, and she was angry. And I was like, that's what you get for taking away Mo. You have to sit in the parking lane and you can't move.

[Myron]

Yeah, I'll never get in one of those things, man. You should never. No, I'm not getting in with a robot. I don't know you.

[Matt]

You don't.

[Myron]

You don't. You don't see brothers in no Way mode.

[Matt]

Wait, but you'll Uber? You Uber?

[Myron]

Yeah, but that's a person.

[Matt]

I feel like people are more dangerous than robots.

[Myron]

What are you talking about? People? More. This is a robot driving you around in a car. Absolutely. Rachel's never watched a movie in her life. Yeah.

[Matt]

The problem is it's not even a robot. It's nothing. Yeah. There's nothing in the Dr. Seen. And it freaks me off, and I'm. It freaks me out. And I'm gonna tell you, I threw multiple birds up at Waymos today, and I hope they know. I hope they remember me here in San Francisco. We are here at the Super Bowl. I ordered breakfast, sent it to the wrong hotel this morning, so I'm a little cranky off the top.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

But we will get to the game and more here on Matt Myron on ESPN Radio.

[Myron]

Matt and Myron, the podcast.

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[Matt]

You know it's a big day when Matt Meyer, which is presented by Progressive insurance drivers to switch to Progressive can save big quote [e-mail] when Herm Edwards gets in the studio early because it's Super Bowl Sunday. He's ready to go. He's not gonna sit there, Myron and and wait. And you guys are in the same.

[Herm Edwards]

Room with the legend and you out there on the west Coast. Yeah, about an hour and 10. Hanging with Justin Bieber from where I live.

[Matt]

Yeah, guys, it's February. I didn't want to interfere. Y'.

[Herm Edwards]

All.

[Myron]

Do you.

[Matt]

Y'.

[Herm Edwards]

All. I'm sitting. We sitting in this snow. I'm shoving it off my car and I'm going, this ain't this. It's a bad picture, man.

[Matt]

65 and beautiful here in San Francisco. Herm, we've been out here all week getting ready for this game, Super Bowl 60. Seen a lot of legends that I said. I had multiple people come up to me that said the segment with you is the best thing they like to listen to on radio even more than watching you on Good morning America. So it's nice to have you.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, look, I got two good hosts and we have some fun with it and know. And that's what sports. It has to be. It has to be fun.

[Myron]

Yeah, You.

[Herm Edwards]

You can. We can say a lot of things, but at the end of the day, you know, it's got to be fun and it's got to be, you know, a thing that we can all enjoy. We all want to win, you know, but. And I get all that, but at the end, it's. It's. Sports is fun.

[Myron]

Yeah. Coach, how do you stop Sam Donald from being terrible today? Right, because you know that, like, what.

[Herm Edwards]

He's been great.

[Myron]

I. I know, but, like, the floor for Sam Darnold is a guy who will lose this game for the Seattle Seahawks. I think every Seahawks fan is wondering if that Sam Darnold shows up, it's over. What do you do to get him in the right mindset going to this game?

[Herm Edwards]

You gotta. Obviously the coordinator, the OC Knows exactly what he likes. He's gonna script some plays early for him, but they gotta get the running game going. Sam Darnold is really efficient when. When he can come off that play action pass and, and get some separation from the White House. Now what they're going to do, they're going to take his number one guy out. That, that JSN. JSN look, I'd call trap 11 and I would double him and I'd put Gonzalez on number two.

[Myron]

You'd follow him? You'd have Gonzalez follow?

[Herm Edwards]

No, no, Gonzalez would be on the number two receiver.

[Myron]

Okay.

[Herm Edwards]

And I would double him with the safety. And now you have to. You have to go against Gonzalez with your number two guy or you got to throw to the third guy. Yeah, that's how I would stack the deck if I was playing defense on these guys.

[Matt]

This, if you look at these two teams, they are first and fourth in the NFL in big play differential, basically, in the amount of explosive plays they get versus the amount of the explosive plays their opponents get. And if you go look at their games, most of the differences, especially for the Seahawks, are explosive plays. They led the league in it. Do you think. You think, Herm. That that's the difference in the game is who gets two or three of those in big situations?

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah, but I think this in the game, too. I think that, you know, turnovers are always. Nerves are always kind of get you in this game, you know, the start of the game, I mean, it's just the first five minutes are critical. Both these teams weren't even in the playoffs last year. Yeah, right.

[Matt]

And you're standing out on the field for like 30 minutes before it starts. It's a different thing. And you.

[Herm Edwards]

And you know, yesterday is the longest day of your life because you're sitting around, you're going, let this thing begin. You know, you don't want to talk about it anymore. You're tired of watching television. You just want to go to the stadium, get in the locker room and go out and play the game. And I think both these teams are excited, you know, about this opportunity. No one anticipated these two teams would be sitting here. Although Seattle played, in my opinion, the toughest division in football in the NFC West. San Francisco and obviously the Rams in Seattle. You know, this was a tough division. So they're tested. But look, nobody knows this is this game. Nobody knows. I mean, you think.

[Matt]

What do you mean nobody knows? Why do we have you here?

[Herm Edwards]

Look, I'm taking Seattle because I think Seattle's the better team. But that doesn't mean they're going to win. I mean, New England just finds a way to win games. We. Guys, I've been on you guys show all year and what did I tell you about New England Patriots? You don't watch them on television. They're boring. Yeah, they're not exciting to watch.

[Myron]

You don't have to be exciting to.

[Herm Edwards]

Win, but they win.

[Myron]

But I mean, you can you tell me defense wins championships. A lot of those teams that won Super Bowls with defense were boring.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Myron]

I mean, you can be born and win a Super Bowl.

[Herm Edwards]

I feel like even their offense is boring.

[Myron]

Yeah, everything's boring if boring leads to victory.

[Matt]

Mike Vrabel's haircut is boring. Like, everything about them is.

[Herm Edwards]

You know, it's kind of like, okay, if you choose to watch a game, you ain't watching New England.

[Myron]

But I mean, it has nothing to do with the super bowl though. Like, no, you can be boring and win. You'd have to be the flashiest team out there to win a Super Bowl.

[Herm Edwards]

Absolutely.

[Myron]

I think there's. I don't get what the whole. Drake May hate. He was robbed of mvp. There's no way Matthew Stafford should have won over him. Drake May is the mvp, was the best quarterback in the NFL. Yes. They haven't played a great schedule, but he's played a bunch of great defenses. Like, what did the Patriots have to do for people to believe they actually have a chance in this game? That's the weird thing to me, Coach.

[Herm Edwards]

Oh, they got a chance. They got more than a chance. I mean, there's a reason they're here because they know how to win. And that's at the end of the day, they know how to win. And the quarterback, obviously, I do know one thing. He's not going to run to win. He's going to have to throw it. Seattle ain't going to let him run like Denver did. I mean, that's how they won the Denver game, with his legs. He had 65 yards rushing. He had 10 carries, six out of yards. He kept the chains moving. The Seattle Seahawks are not going to allow him to leave the pocket and make yards running.

[Matt]

That ain't happening. But, but the way they play defense most of the year, Herm, is. Is exactly that. They've set back in nickel, that they play like some of these games, 80% of their snaps and they have made people run. Do you think they just change the game plan specifically?

[Herm Edwards]

I don't think they're allowed a quarterback to run. They're going to make him throw it. I'm not saying you can't run. The quarterback is going to have to beat him throwing.

[Matt]

He's not.

[Herm Edwards]

They not going to allow him to run off like he did against Denver on third downs and, and complete the drives by running.

[Myron]

He's the real mvp. I think he can beat him with his legs, his arm. I think, I think Drake may controls this game, not the Seattle defense. I think his playmaking ability is what's going to be the difference, I think in this game. And then Sam Donald, you know, the collapse is coming. It's just a matter of time.

[Matt]

See, you've been. He's been saying this all year. But Herm, is there a moment where we should just believe in, in, in Sam Darnold?

[Rich Eisen]

No.

[Matt]

You don't play badly all year.

[Herm Edwards]

No, no one wants to trust him. They keep using that. You know, he's going to collapse. I know this, I will say this. In five hours, we're going to find.

[Myron]

Out that the Patriots are the best team.

[Herm Edwards]

We're going, we're going to.

[Myron]

We're going.

[Herm Edwards]

They're going to kick the ball off.

[Matt]

And we see you're taking the Patriots. Yeah, yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

You know, and hey, he's loving, he's loving the quarterback.

[Matt]

I mean, yeah, until he, until he.

[Herm Edwards]

Throws the first int.

[Matt]

He's just a young guy all year. Can you stay another segment?

[Myron]

Absolutely. All right, let's do it.

[Matt]

All right.

[Myron]

That's what I want to hear.

[Matt]

We're going to have Herm Edwards stick around. We'll do more about the game. That's next here. I'm Matt and Myron on espn Radio.

[Myron]

Matt and Myron the Podcast.

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Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio presented by Progressive Insurance. Herm Edwards is with us. All right, Herm, we got a question for you. Haven't been out here, seen all these former athletes. I only know two former athletes. I know you and I know Tim Kautz that played at Kentucky and for the Cleveland Browns. And both of you all, Tim Couch is more Jack now than he was when he played and you are in great shape. You're always talking about how you could cover a lot of these receivers. I told Jamar Chase you could get him anytime he wanted and keep him from scoring younger.

[Herm Edwards]

When I was younger. Not now, not at 71 I can't.

[Matt]

I think you can still do it. But when I look, I look at you guys, you both look as good, if not better than when you play. Then I see some of the other former players, they kind of look the exact opposite. What is it that. What. What's the difference between when you're done playing, still looking like you can. Like, it seems like guys either stay ripped and in good shape or they go completely in the other direction.

[Herm Edwards]

It's just, you know, whatever you deem is important to you, you know, and for me, it was. It was my health. It was. I like exercise, and that's just part of my routine, you know, and we're all built on routine. I mean, whether it's a good routine or a bad routine. And I've always been a guy that just. I'm an early guy. I like working out in the morning.

[Matt]

What kind of workout does a 71 year old, Herman?

[Myron]

He doesn't look 71.

[Herm Edwards]

I can't run anymore. I can't run because I got two new hips and I got a knee.

[Myron]

So I walked.

[Herm Edwards]

I walk for an hour generally. And then from there I do some, you know, lifting, light lifting. I don't lift heavy, you know, and it's just do that. I do it and I do it six days a week, for sure.

[Myron]

But you see, you sit next to her, you see him live, you see the build that's there, right? Like those. I was telling people, those NFL dudes, I don't care what age they are. You can just tell they're not like the rest of us and how they're. How they're built. You know what I mean? You could see that.

[Matt]

But you can see some of these guys eat like they did before. It don't work out the same.

[Herm Edwards]

That's the problem.

[Myron]

Who are you talking about? Like, you talking about all these ex NFL guys?

[Matt]

People out.

[Myron]

I don't want to see any of these guys out in the real world. And then they hear the show and I gotta make. I gotta talk to them about this.

[Matt]

I just saw a couple guys who. It was like, all right, man, maybe we gotta. We gotta get back in the weight room a little bit her. That's all.

[Herm Edwards]

The NFL beat you up now? Yeah, it got me, you know, I mean, like I said, I got two new hips and I got. Got a knee and, and. But you know what? I wouldn't trade it in for anything. If I had to do it again, I'd do it. I'd do it again. I'd stand in line and say, man, I'm good.

[Matt]

A lot of new coaches got hired, 10 during this cycle. If you were to sit there and say, what's the one. I feel the most confident to give the Herm Edwards stamp of approval that this is going to work, who would you do it for?

[Herm Edwards]

Oh, that's a good question. You know, I think a lot of it, and I'm not going to be trying to be politically correct. I wish all of them success. I think some jobs are harder than others due to management, due to ownership. You know, depending on where you go and who the owner is. And then really, are you and the GM on the same page? You know, that's important for all these guys because sometimes you land in a situation where you don't really have a say on the players.

[Matt]

And that's why when you say who the ownership is, explain to me what a bad owner does for a coach.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, just think of some of the teams that always seem to like, yeah, they ain't got it straight yet. We don't need to mention who they are.

[Myron]

The jets.

[Herm Edwards]

We know who they are. We know who they are. And there's. There's more than one or two of them. There's about 10 of them in the league. And it's always the same old story.

[Matt]

They always do. What makes. What makes those owners so bad?

[Herm Edwards]

I don't want to. I don't want to know. I'm just.

[Matt]

Jerry.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. One of the coaches that are in the Super Bowl, Grable.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Herm Edwards]

Where was he at before?

[Matt]

He was in Tennessee.

[Myron]

Yes. And they messed that up.

[Herm Edwards]

I'm not saying anything.

[Myron]

I'm just asking where Cleveland is. Another one of those teams that you just.

[Herm Edwards]

Just name. Name the teams.

[Myron]

I wouldn't.

[Matt]

Yeah, look at the teams.

[Myron]

Yeah, I would.

[Herm Edwards]

It's not hard.

[Myron]

Yeah. I wouldn't want Cleveland ownership to run the store around the corner from my house like you don't want to do anything.

[Matt]

Stores, though the Cleveland ownership does run.

[Herm Edwards]

It's just. And I'm not wishing any of them bad.

[Myron]

Always out of my. My drinks too, by the way, for some reason.

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[Myron]

That just tells you a lot, right. About what that ownership team does.

[Rich Eisen]

Right.

[Myron]

You got this situation her where Tua, Kyler, Murray are going to be available via trade or if their teams end up cutting them and all that. Kirk Cousins is available. If you're looking for a veteran quarterback presence, which one of those guys would be at the top of your list?

[Herm Edwards]

I think Kirk Cousins in this sense because he has a lot of experience. He would help a young quarterback.

[Myron]

Yeah. Just can't. You can't put him games after sundown, though. He doesn't win after the sun goes.

[Matt]

And you can't bring him back to Minnesota, can you? Who knows?

[Herm Edwards]

I mean, you know, I don't know that. I mean, if he. If he's. If he wants to help a young quarterback, and Kirk probably does in that mode now, he doesn't need to play a lot. He understands if a guy gets hurt, I'm gonna have to go and play. Tua's gonna look for. He doesn't want to be a backup. Tua wants to start Kyler Murray.

[Myron]

You, You.

[Herm Edwards]

That's. That. That's. You better have a special offense for him. I. I don't know.

[Myron]

He's too small. Small quarterbacks can't win, I don't think anymore.

[Herm Edwards]

It's hard, you know, but. But, you know, location has a lot to do with them.

[Matt]

Okay, let me ask you about that, about location, because I do think there's gonna be people out there who say, let's look at this season. Sam Darnold's in the Super Bowl. Drake, excuse me, Daniel Jones, before he got hurt, was doing great in Indianapolis. And they're going to say, hey, some of these guys that haven't succeeded, if we just give them a different opportunity, different location, maybe it happens. Does that make someone like Tua or Kyler Murray more people excited than they would have been other otherwise? Because we've now seen it happen in these other places.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, I think this. I think all these guys, when you bring them in, maybe not to a. But Murray and Cousins, for sure, they're probably backup guys. Tua still, if he's in the right system, can be a very good quarterback, in my opinion. Now, you know, he plays from the pocket, but, you know, Joe Montana played from the pocket. You know, we guys can't play from the pocket. Tom Brady played from the pocket. I'm not saying he's Joe Montana. I'm not saying he's Tom Brady. So fans don't call in here and say, I made the comparison.

[Myron]

No, no, no.

[Herm Edwards]

I'm saying they play from the pocket. He's a West coast guy. He needs to be in the west coast offense and he can run that offense. He can get the ball out quick. He's accurate in his shirt. He doesn't throw the deep ball real good, doesn't have to. West coast offense don't throw deep balls. They throw the ball in the middle of the field where you have to have accuracy. So he's been in that system. Can he flourish? Problem is he's left handed. People say, well, that's. Yeah, well, it's different. Ball comes out different.

[Matt]

Now help me understand why it makes it so different. I look in the mirror, I'm the same person, just flipped around. Why is it so different if you're left.

[Herm Edwards]

First of all, the spin of the ball is different.

[Myron]

When it comes out of your hand. Yeah, okay.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah. And he's going from the left side. He's throwing from the left side.

[Matt]

He's not used to that though.

[Herm Edwards]

If you're. Yeah, you get used to it. But it's different. It's just different. It's like, hey, man, he's left hand. Okay, okay. You know, he sees everything. See, the right handed quarterback doesn't see anything coming from his backside.

[Myron]

Yeah, right side.

[Herm Edwards]

Right. Because it's. Because his back's turned. He sees it all.

[Matt]

He sees it right now, has a backside too. He's.

[Herm Edwards]

But I'm saying generally your best rush. Generally the formations are set to the right.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Herm Edwards]

The strength of the formation is set to the right in foot.

[Matt]

So you're saying. Well, so that sounds like it should be an advantage.

[Herm Edwards]

It can be. But at times the guy is, he's. You see him fast when you're dropping back as a left handed quarterback.

[Matt]

Oh, okay. So sometimes what you see gets in your brain.

[Herm Edwards]

That's exactly right.

[Myron]

He threw for 4,000 yards. Yards. Like he's 27 years old.

[Herm Edwards]

He's young.

[Myron]

We're watching Sam Darnold in the Super Bowl. A lot of people gave up on him. Daniel Jones bounced back. Like, why would you give up on a guy in his late 20s when we've seen other quarterbacks have a second chapter.

[Herm Edwards]

You're not. And I think that. Look, there's. We know there's not 32 starting quarterbacks out here, guys. No, there's not 32. I should say. There's not 32 franchise quarterbacks. That's who I should say.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

No.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay, so you got to look at a team and go, hey, does this guy fit? Does he fit the society?

[Matt]

Him?

[Herm Edwards]

And if he does, you, you take the shot at the guy.

[Matt]

I didn't realize you hated left handed people. I kind of thought somebody who liked everybody.

[Herm Edwards]

I didn't say I hated. I said it's just different.

[Myron]

I have a problem with left handed people. They always tell you about how they're different and all the things they do differently.

[Matt]

I will say you have to think about when we go. When you Go eat. You got to put them on a certain end of the table so that.

[Myron]

They'Re not doing any elbows with you. You figure it out.

[Herm Edwards]

It's just different, you know, it's just ask you this, okay. How many left handed quarterbacks are there?

[Matt]

Well, not a lot.

[Myron]

Historically there have not been.

[Matt]

Steve Young was one, Michael Vick, not many.

[Myron]

Not many.

[Herm Edwards]

Not many guys.

[Myron]

But when they're good, everyone says the strength.

[Matt]

I feel like that's right.

[Herm Edwards]

But it's just different.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Myron]

If when two was thrown for 4,000 plus yards, it was a straight.

[Herm Edwards]

There's not many left handed quarterbacks. Yeah, right.

[Matt]

I have said in college football that Kurt Signetti is going to get a lot of people fired because that people are going to say anybody can turn it around. I also think there's an argument though that this super bowl has created two coaches. They're going to get other coaches fired because there's going to be a lot of owners saying, well, why don't we flip it around like they did? Do you think that's going to happen?

[Herm Edwards]

Well, I think owners are quick to pull the trigger in today's era. I mean, you know, two or three, you get about two years and if you ain't winning in two years, your third year, you're on odds now. That's just what it is in the NFL. I mean, look, there was nine jobs again this year, guys. So that, that's just part of it now, you know, and generally the teams that always keep changing, they keep losing.

[Myron]

Yeah, Seattle and the, I mean the whole. I told you my theory. Defense has never won a championship.

[Matt]

Right.

[Myron]

I don't, I don't think there's any evidence of that.

[Matt]

You agree with that, Herb? That's his, that's his thing.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, I think defenses allow you to do this. Defense is a luxury to the quarterback and to the offensive coordinator because defenses keep the score intact. You're not, you're not stressing. Look, it's a 1214 possession game. Let's say you're the quarterback, Drake May. You go out there and you go three and out. That's one possession gone. Oh, three and out again. That's two possessions gone. The scores at worst is still zero, zero. Or it might be three to nothing. But the score don't get away from you.

[Myron]

But I got a score, coach.

[Herm Edwards]

You got to score. But I'm saying defenses don't allow a lot of scoring. So the young quarterback or quarterback that's just trying to learn how to play can make mistakes. He can make mistakes. He could turn the ball over and it's not six point. So defenses keep you in the game. Offense has to win it, but defenses keep you in the game.

[Myron]

I want a great offense. If you give me a great offense and a terrible defense versus a great defense and a terrible offense, I'm definitely taking, I think, the first option, I think, in this game.

[Matt]

But we'll see where I let you go. Her, I saw. I got to see up close talking to each other. Barry Sanders and Bo Jackson, like, they were. They, like, they gave each other a hug and I got to take a picture of them and they were like 10ft from me. And that was like one of the coolest moments I've seen. It was like two superstars giving each other respect. Her, I thought you'd appreciate that. You're a guy who likes football and football history and the legends. Seeing Barry and Bo was insanely cool. You coached against both of them. What were those guys like?

[Herm Edwards]

Well, obviously Barry was a guy if you, if you play. If you. When we grew up playing flag football, yeah, you couldn't pull his flags. Couldn't even touch the guy.

[Myron]

The best ever, right?

[Herm Edwards]

I mean, he was unbelievable. His. His ability to just change directions and just full speed. And Bo Jackson was. Was power and speed. I mean, he was a powerful man. Boy. And then you didn't realize how fast he was until all of a sudden you're trying to chase him and he's still running. You're going, I ain't catching this guy. So there was two completely different type of players. But I'm talking about fabulous football players now.

[Myron]

Bo or Jim Brown, greatest athlete to ever play in this game.

[Herm Edwards]

Close. Jim Brown, Jim Brown's best football player ever. Put football pants on, in my opinion. Jim Brown, not close.

[Myron]

All right.

[Matt]

You got. You're always picking the old guys. You're always picking the old guys.

[Herm Edwards]

All I know is you. When you think about Jim Brown in.

[Matt]

His era, when he played Herm Patrick Mahomes or Y Tittle, I didn't play against him.

[Herm Edwards]

But I know one thing, that Jim.

[Myron]

Brown fella, Jim Brown is special.

[Herm Edwards]

Let me tell you something. Think about the era he played in.

[Matt]

Special running back era.

[Herm Edwards]

And listen to this. I tell people this all the time. He sits behind the line of scrimmage at six yards. He got to get six yards to get to the line of scrimmage. 11 players on defense knew. We got to stop number 32. They ain't stopped him yet. The only thing to stop them was he retired and went in the movies.

[Myron]

Yeah, that's it.

[Matt]

Go, my man. Hey, it's been awesome with you this year. Hopefully we'll do it in the off season as well. Great to see you, Herm.

[Myron]

Thanks, coach.

[Herm Edwards]

Thank you both. Appreciate you.

[Matt]

All right, there you go. We're going to talk about a little bit other stuff in sports and then more on the big game today. This is Matt Myron on ESPN Radio.

[Myron]

Matt and Myron, the Podcast.

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[Matt]

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[Myron]

I've been working on my moonwalk.

[Matt]

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[Myron]

Yeah, man, it's gonna be, it's gonna be a cool build up. You know, watching other networks do it has been cool to see but like once ESPN gets a hold of the Super Bowl, I think we're gonna be able to do things that no one has ever been able to do.

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[Myron]

Well, that was just kind of my pitch to make sure that ESPN sends us in 2027. So.

[Matt]

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[Myron]

Well next year. ESPN sent me to a Super bowl before, but next year definitely it's going to be fun to see what we do with it.

[Matt]

All right, so Duke Carolina was yesterday.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And great game. Duke. Carolina always delivers. Whether or not, whether or not the teams or this year they're good. But even when they're not good, doesn't matter. It always delivers. And you got a three pointer at the buzzer.

[Herm Edwards]

Court storm.

[Matt]

Then they have to clear it off because there's still point four seconds. And then they storm again. Now for people who are not massive college basketball fans, there's kind of an etiquette around court storming, which is basically like there's some programs that do not court storm. Like at Kentucky, we police ourselves. We do not storm the court. Kansas had polices itself. They do not storm the court. Duke that I've seen has never stormed the court. And most people would think North Carolina is one of those teams that should not storm the court. And after they stormed it, Duke head coach John Shire said, here, let's play this sound. Said that maybe something happened with the fans and one of his staff members.

[Josh (Duke Coach)]

I'll answer any questions about the game. For me, it's hard to talk about the game when I was most concerned just for the safety of our players after the game. Like I don't want to make it about that. Because Carolina, they played a great game to win. And that's a heartbreaking loss for our team. I got staff members that got punched in the face. My family pushing people away, trying to not get trampled. And that's not what this game is about. And you give them all the credit in the world. It's not about the game. But obviously that was a scary ending. And this rivalry is not about that.

[Matt]

Josh did not want to make that about the game. Nevertheless, he started his press conference with it to make sure it was like that. Classic Duke coach move. What do you think about court storming for Carolina?

[Myron]

I'm on shire side in this. It was. It was. If you watch the film, if you watch it, and I don't know if there's video of staff members being punched. According to Duke, someone affiliated with Duke got injured in the court storm. I saw a student throw a water bottle towards Duke. My problem with court storming is the reality is people do things that they would never do one on one. I just hate the cowardly nature of it. Like going at these athletes and kind of daring them to respond. It's just unfair to put them in that situation. Somebody's gonna get their teeth knocked out, though.

[Matt]

And when I hear that for 30 years.

[Myron]

Fine.

[Matt]

I've been. I've been hearing people tell me somebody's gonna. For 30 years and it hadn't happened. I'm not saying it's never gonna happen, but I've. It's not like this just started last week. People have been doing this for 30, 40 years.

[Myron]

Yes.

[Matt]

And to me, here's why I like it. I do think you got to protect the players of the other team and the. In the fans and staff members, etc. But it is the one definitive basketball thing.

[Myron]

Like they.

[Matt]

I know they do it in football, but it's a little different because it takes longer to get out there in basketball. It is spontaneous. Best. And this is when my team lost. I was at Kentucky, Indiana, when Christian Watford hit that shot.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And the stork corms. The corn stalking storm that Indiana did is still one of the coolest things I've ever seen. I don't want to lose that spontaneity and that excitement. Excitement. That makes college basketball great.

[Myron]

I went. When little Johnny gets his teeth knocked out by some 6, 8, 4, who's been drinking creatine, I have to wait. Here's where I say it's different, though. Here's where I say it's different. Matt. And we grew up in court storming. Yes. Where it's different is the social media era and these guys with their phones who want to be posted somewhere doing some ridiculous stuff in the middle of this.

[Matt]

You, you sound. You realize how old. Fine, let me sign off these kids, These kids with their, their, their tick tock and their snap book.

[Myron]

I'm fine with all this.

[Matt]

And they're.

[Myron]

I'm fine with that. Trying to get do that one on one is my thing. Don't be a coward. If you want to go at that dude, one on one, do it. But you're never gonna do it. You're in the middle of core storm. You're doing stuff in the crowd that you would never do in a situation if it was just you and that athlete.

[Matt]

These youth, all right, with their insta. It ain't that.

[Myron]

It's punks.

[Rich Eisen]

I hate cowards.

[Matt]

And they're walking. I hate cowards. They're streaming.

[Rich Eisen]

I hate cowards.

[Myron]

Who would do things in a group that they would never do One on one. All right, well, little Johnny gets. When little Johnny gets a black eye.

[Matt]

First of all, what is little Johnny doing on the court? Why do people have their kids on the court?

[Myron]

Little Johnny's a college student. I'm talking about that dude throwing water ball.

[Matt]

College students. Little Johnny.

[Myron]

I tell you what, he's going to be little Johnny in a bad spot if he keeps doing that stuff. Like I'm just telling you, somebody's get punched in the face.

[Matt]

Now I do think there's an argument that North Carolina is too good of a program.

[Myron]

They can't storm the court.

[Matt]

You're too, you, you are a legendary program. Creighton storms the court, not North Carolina. I will say that, but I'm all pro Court storming and Myron is anti fun. We'll continue to the super bowl next.

[Myron]

Thanks for listening to Matt and Myron the podcast. You can listen to the show live every Sunday morning at 10:00am Eastern on ESPN Radio, the ESPN app, and on SiriusXM Channel 80. Matt and Myron the podcast.