Hour 1: Stay or Go?

Summary

Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron – Hour 1: Stay or Go? (January 4, 2026)

Overview

In this engaging episode of “Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron,” hosts Matt Jones and Myron Medcalf break down a pivotal Sunday in the sports world as the NFL regular season ends and college football’s playoff drama unfolds. They dive into the chaos of the lukewarm NFC South, big playoff predictions, and a heated debate over whether coaches who’ve already accepted jobs elsewhere should stay to lead their teams or pack up and move on. Special guest Herm Edwards brings wisdom, stories, and classic quotes that amplify the episode’s rich, lively spirit.

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1. New Year Banter & Game Show Vibes

[00:31 – 03:41]

• The episode opens with playful jokes about New Year’s traditions, TV celebrations, and the absurdity of people wearing diapers for Times Square festivities.

  • Memorable Moment:
    Myron: “Did you know that you have to wear diapers?”
    Matt: “Why'd you say, did you know that? Like I'm in some group text where people talk about wearing diapers at the New York City New Year's Eve.” (03:01)

• Both hosts recap their subdued celebrations, poking fun at formulaic broadcast lineups and the annual return of celebrities like Pitbull and Shakira.

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2. The NFC South: Drama and Mediocrity

[03:41 – 07:24]

• Focus shifts to the NFC South’s “bad mid-major tournament” feel, where none of the teams seem worthy of playoff hosting rights.
  • Discussion Points:
    • The Panthers and Bucs’ struggles, Baker Mayfield’s flashes, and an uncertain playoff picture.
    • The perception that “the entire NFC south” deserves to be excluded from hosting.
    • Playoff probability: Neither Matt nor Myron see the South’s eventual winner posing a real threat to teams like the 49ers or Rams.
• Quote:
  Matt: “If there were a vote, I'd keep the entire NFC south out of it. The fact that one of those teams gets to host a playoff game tells you everything that's wrong with the system.” (04:48)

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3. Playoff Predictions & Super Bowl Picks

[07:24 – 11:33]

• Seattle Seahawks’ upset of the 49ers and Sam Darnold’s redemption draw sharp focus.
• Matt makes his “in-pen” Super Bowl prediction, with both hosts debating:
  • Matt: Seattle over Jacksonville
  • Myron: Buffalo over the Rams
• Memorable Exchange:
  • Myron (ribbing Matt): “Are you drunk? Seattle over Jacksonville?”
    Matt: “Jackson’s been incredible!” (10:22)
  • Matt on Josh Allen: “I have never seen anybody love Josh Allen more than you.” (10:55)
  • Myron: “If I told Matt Jones it was Josh Allen and he was going to have to play 11 guys by himself in the playoffs, Matt Jones would be like, you know what? He has a chance.” (11:01)

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4. College Football Playoff Chaos: Let the Coaches Stay or Go?

[14:00 – 21:18]

• The spotlight moves to college football drama, specifically around programs with interim coaches—most notably Ole Miss (with Pete Golding) and Oregon (Will Stein).
• Heated debate: Should staff who have accepted positions elsewhere (e.g., following Lane Kiffin to LSU) coach through the playoffs, or should they leave immediately to prevent future player poaching?
  • Matt’s stance: Anyone leaving for another program—especially within the SEC—should go immediately:
    “In the Portal era, I’m putting up, I’m getting the U-haul ready for you. You gotta go. I don’t care who you are.” (16:35)
  • Myron’s counter:** The stakes are high for Ole Miss, who may never get this far again, so maximizing their shot with familiar coaches is vital.
  • Memorable Reference:
    Conway Twitty’s “You’ve Never Been This Far Before” becomes a metaphor for Ole Miss’s unlikely playoff run. (18:06)
• Both agree the “Portal Era” has fundamentally changed the trust dynamic in college football.

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5. Herm Edwards Joins: Leadership, Loyalty, and Life Lessons

[23:41 – 34:27]

• Herm Edwards vibrantly weighs in, advocating a player-led decision:
  • Herm: “I would call the team together and ask the team, what do you guys want to do?” (23:41)
• Matt jokes he’d be more of a “dictator coach,” firing everyone who leaves, while Herm shares personal coaching anecdotes about already being “gone” before the U-Haul story even starts.
  • Herm: “First of all, when you’re leaving, your stuff’s already packed. It been packed a week ago.” (24:46)
• The discussion pivots to the Ravens vs. Steelers game and handling rumors about players’ maturity (Lamar Jackson).
  • Herm’s philosophy: “You treat everyone fair. You don’t treat everyone the same... If you’re a special player, you get special benefits. And if not, stand in the back of the line.” (27:57–28:50)
• Spirited talk of growing up during the civil rights era, and how sports remain a stage for competition and equality.

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6. Revisiting NFL Playoff Predictions

[31:05 – 34:27]

• Herm validates Matt’s Seattle pick, noting there’s “no super team” this year.
• Herm’s pick:
  • Super Bowl: 49ers vs. Bills (“My favorite player is Josh Allen. I go with Josh Allen.” – 33:51)

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7. Caller Responses: What Should Ole Miss Do?

[36:40 – 42:26]

• Listeners weigh in on whether they’d keep coaching staff or send them packing.
  • Brianna (Indiana): “Let him coach for the players. It’s fine. Let him coach.” (36:40)
  • Robert (Mississippi): Supports keeping Charlie Weiss Jr. for player continuity; quips about Ole Miss traditions and Lane Kiffin’s polarizing exit. (37:46)
  • Eugene (Louisiana): Sides with Matt—get the coaches out if they’ve already committed elsewhere.
  • Jonathan (Louisiana): Defends Lane Kiffin as “being a good guy,” questions why he gets blamed for the drama.
• The debate splits along philosophical and practical lines: program tradition versus adapting to the Portal Era's ruthlessness.

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8. Final Thoughts & Upcoming Segments

[42:26–End]

• Episode closes with a preview of upcoming NFL talk and another round of calls.
• Light banter continues about local traditions and sports culture.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Commitment in the Portal Era:
  Matt: “I’m not going to let you spend an extra two to three weeks with these players that you can take with you to LSU...The future of the program is at stake.” (17:21)

• On Player-Coach Relationships:
  Herm: “You treat everyone fair. You don’t treat everyone the same...When you a special player, you get special benefits. And if not, stand in the back of the line. That’s how it works. That’s America, by the way.” (27:52–29:00)

• On Predicting the NFC South Winner:
  Herm: “You know what I did? I took a quarter out of my pocket...and I said, heads. That means...the Saints win and Tampa gets to go. And it was heads because I just flipped a coin.” (32:05)

• On Myron’s Super Bowl Pick:
  Matt: “I have never seen anybody love Josh Allen more than you.” (10:55)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• New Years’ Banter/Diaper Chat: 00:31 – 03:41
• NFC South Playoff Madness: 03:41 – 07:24
• Super Bowl Predictions: 07:24 – 11:33
• College Coaches Stay or Go: 14:00 – 21:18
• Herm Edwards on Leadership: 23:41 – 34:27
• Caller Reactions: 36:40 – 42:26

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Episode Tone & Style

• The atmosphere is witty, energetic, and direct—Matt and Myron challenge each other but keep a friendly rapport. Herm’s storytelling injects old-school perspective and humor. Callers add diverse, passionate voices reflective of college football’s broad fan base.

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Conclusion

This episode masterfully captures the uncertainty and drama of late-season college and professional football, blending hard analysis with humor and candid takes on leadership. If you missed it live, the debate over loyalty versus opportunity in the age of the transfer portal, plus the playful NFL forecasts, are well worth your Sunday morning.

Transcript

[Matt Jones]

Hi there. Surprise.

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[Herm Edwards]

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[Myron Metcalf]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Myron Metcalf]

Can you imagine the impact of young black boys and girls looking at that going, I feel seen.

[Rich Eisen]

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[Herm Edwards]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Rich Eisen]

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[Myron Metcalf]

This is Matt and Myron. The podcast. This is Matt myron here on ESPN Radio. You could give us a shout on the Dr. Pepper calling line. Eight, eight, eight, say ESPN 888-729-3776, where ESPN Nation is presented by Dr. Pepper. It's not college football season without the delicious taste of an Ice cold Dr. Pepper. College football. It's a Pepper thing. What are we thinking about? I'm trying to think, but nothing happens. Nothing happens.

[Matt Jones]

Time to find out.

[Myron Metcalf]

Finish off the top rope with Matt and Myron. I will say, speaking of game shows, a book for you, Myron. First of all, nice to see you this morning. How are you?

[Matt Jones]

Good to see you too. How you doing?

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm doing good.

[Matt Jones]

You said like you had to see me in three months or something. I was just, I mean, I want.

[Myron Metcalf]

To, I want to greet you in front of the people. Did you have a good New year, by the way? Did you do anything sparkly?

[Matt Jones]

Not sparkly, just pretty, just pretty low key. I mean, I celebrate my new year as soon as the first new year happens in the world. So like once New Zealand hit New Year, like it's happy New Year for me.

[Myron Metcalf]

So is that what you do?

[Matt Jones]

I don't think you gotta wait because you have to wait till the ball drops. I mean, you just. Once, once one part of the world hits 20, 26, we all should celebrate.

[Myron Metcalf]

It like one o' clock in the afternoon.

[Matt Jones]

Early, early, man. Yeah, once, once New Zealand was in. I was in too, so. But yeah, just a good, good time.

[Myron Metcalf]

My new year is just Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen and every year it feels like it's the same headline CNN is thinking about taking and would they do that? He's the best. Like, they're still calling it the Dick Clark New Year. He's been dead apparently since 2012, so I don't think I should do that. And I, I don't need to see every year at New Year on those TV stations. It's all pit bull. I don't need to see Pitbull anymore or Sierra. It feels like that's Busta Rhymes. It's the same people every Year. I like Andy drinking. I do. Like when they bring out Shakira, I like watching Andy Cohen drink and rant about whoever happens to be the New York mayor at that moment. That is what New Year is all about.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, the New York thing is cool. It just looks like it would be fun to actually be there. Like, it looks like.

[Myron Metcalf]

Did you know that you have to wear diapers?

[Matt Jones]

No. What do you mean?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, well, because, I mean, not, like it's not a requirement, but there are people that.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Why'd you say, did you know that? Like, I'm in some group text where people talk about wearing diapers at the New York City New Year's Eve.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, if you think about you have to be in your spot by like, six o' clock at night and you can't move the whole time, which I agree, sounds miserable. So what I've heard, again, I don't know, but what I've heard is that people will wear diapers because they can't. They're not allowed to go use the restroom, and they have to just stay there for hours and hours, Hours.

[Herm Edwards]

So it.

[Matt Jones]

So it's thousands of people wearing diapers.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, I don't know that thousands of people are wearing the diapers, but I've heard that that's like something people do because they know they're gonna be standing there all night. And those businesses next door are not. They don't open their doors for those people that you have to have a ticket. So they. You're just standing on the street for hours and hours and hours on end.

[Matt Jones]

It cannot be that serious to be like, I gotta be so close to the ball dropping that I'm wearing a diaper.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm just telling you, on New Year's Eve, this is what people say now. Last night I watched the Seahawks and the Bucks and the Panthers and the stuff like that.

[Matt Jones]

Why do you say stuff like. This is what people say? Like what? What dark web are you on that you know this stuff? Man, It's.

[Herm Edwards]

It's just.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's out there. The Panthers played the Bucks. Seahawks played the 49ers. Let's start with the Panthers, Panthers and the Bucks. Baker Mayfield's been pretty awful for weeks, but then in this game, we saw a little bit of the Baker Magic. He played well. The Bucks get the win. The Panthers owner was furious after the game. And now you set up this weird situation where today the Saints play the Falcons. If the Saints win, the Bucks go to the playoffs. If the Falcons win, the Panthers go To the playoffs. It feels like a perfect NFC south ending to the season. What do you make of the shenanigans today and last night?

[Matt Jones]

It's like watching a bad mid major tournament or something. Like none of these teams deserve to get in it. Like if there were a vote, I keep the entire NFC south out of it. And the fact that one of those teams gets to host a playoff game tells you everything that's wrong with the system. Like north, like Carolina and Tampa Bay should not have the ability to host a playoff game at the way that they played this season. So, I mean, there's drama. It shouldn't come down to this. Tampa Bay had a gigantic lead over everybody and just collapsed down the stretch. So whether it's Carolina or Tampa Bay, the fact that you're in week 18, having to seal the NFC south just tells you how weak that entire division is.

[Myron Metcalf]

Do you feel like either one of those team, if they. If. If they get to make the playoffs and host, can they win a game? I mean, they'll probably play. Will they play the 49ers? They're the 49ers of the Rams. They'll play one of those two teams. Do you think either one of them has a chance of winning the game?

[Matt Jones]

No. No, there's not good enough. Yeah, I think 49. I mean, the idea of the 49ers, which were playing for a one seed a few days ago, like have to. Would have to travel probably to Carolina or to Tampa Bay. It's just ridiculous. But no, I don't think either one of those teams can win again. Tampa Bay kind of limped to the finish line. We just saw the Panthers in a position to seal it. They lose to the Saints. So what is it about the NFC South, Matt, that every single year we do the show week 18, it comes down to this game. Like, how come every year it comes down to the last game in this division?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, because all the teams are mediocre. I mean, none of these teams are good. It's the most boring. Along with the AFC south, it's the most boring division in sports. But I do, I will say this. If I am the 49ers, I'd rather the Panthers be in that game because you do still have the Baker Mayfield factor. And there were a handful of plays yesterday where Baker looked like Baker, just for a handful of plays. He has not looked that way in the last six weeks. There was a moment where you said, okay, maybe he's healthier. Maybe there's a little magic there. I'm not saying it's likely, but I did get a sense for just a few minutes that that's. That sort of thing that he has can still come out in a big play.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, Baker is definitely the better quarterback, I think between the two. And yeah, you saw some of those moments where you're like, okay, this is the dude we expected to see all year. One of the problems with the Bucks is that they just haven't been healthy. And I don't know who's going to show up healthy in the playoffs for this team.

[Myron Metcalf]

They're going to still have.

[Matt Jones]

That's going to be their issue.

[Myron Metcalf]

That'll. They'll have that.

[Matt Jones]

The Panthers.

[Myron Metcalf]

Seahawks beat. Go ahead.

[Matt Jones]

Well, the Panthers, though, haven't been there in a while and like, that fan base is going to be into that. Like, that atmosphere might be crazier than Tampa Bay.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think that's probably true. Now the Seahawks beat the 49ers to clinch the number one seed. Your guy who you have crushed over the years, Sam Darnold, I didn't play excellent. He had 186 yards, but he did just enough and that defense was dominant. Hold San Francisco to three points. They're going to be the 1 seed. Now. Seattle, a surprise ending to this season. Are they the best team in the NFC or they just happen to be the team that got the onesie?

[Matt Jones]

Right now I pick them to win the super bowl after what they did to San Francisco. San Francisco, you would pick Seattle to.

[Myron Metcalf]

Win the Super Bowl?

[Matt Jones]

San Francisco coming into that game had the hottest offense in the NFL. They were destroying teams. Defense was bad, but the offense was incredible. And that Seahawks team stopped them like it was nothing. If you tell me the Seahawks can stop any team in the league and Sam Donald can play like that, make a few plays. Yes, right now. I picked Seattle to win the Super Bowl.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right. Do you have a pen? You have an ink pen? I want you to take it. Ink pen.

[Matt Jones]

Well, it's. Right now. It's not. It's not. It's not a final.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's not like they're going to play the super bowl in November. I mean, the super bowl is coming in a few weeks. James, hang on. I would like you to write down in ink pen, as my grandmother would say, myron Metcalf picks Seattle to win the Super Bowl. All right. Because you. You have to stand now. What do you mean right now? You can't. It's. You have to pick.

[Matt Jones]

What time is it? 10, 11 or something. I could, but you can't do that. Subject to change.

[Myron Metcalf]

You can't do that. You're not allowed to change as it goes. The playoffs are about to start. You know, Seattle's going to be the one seat. Are you going to pick them to win the super bowl right now?

[Matt Jones]

Right now. But we have a whole slate of games left. It's not a final. It's not a final.

[Myron Metcalf]

What's going to happen in the. Hang on.

[Matt Jones]

Pick it off.

[Myron Metcalf]

What's going to happen?

[Matt Jones]

Things happen every day, man. Things happen. You don't know what's going to happen.

[Myron Metcalf]

Week 18.

[Matt Jones]

Crazy Things Happen every day.

[Myron Metcalf]

Like, all throughout the world.

[Matt Jones]

We don't know who. How can a man know what's ahead in the future? We don't know. We just live in the present and do our best. What I know is that right now, what the Seahawks did to the Niners is the most impressive thing that I've seen to this point.

[Myron Metcalf]

So let's do this. Let me put it a different way. Emmanuel Kant, do you. I'm requiring everyone on this show to make their super bowl prediction today, and it stays through the rest of the year. Give me your super bowl prediction.

[Matt Jones]

I would right now, today, as of now, if I had to. I pick Seattle over Jacksonville.

[Myron Metcalf]

Are you. Are you drunk? Seattle over Jacksonville. Don't.

[Matt Jones]

Don't bet somebody could tune in and just hear you say that and not have any context. What do you mean? Jackson's been incredible.

[Myron Metcalf]

Did you hang out with Andy Cohen this morning? Is that what you did?

[Matt Jones]

No, but I know Liam Cohen, who has been maybe a coach of the year. Jacksonville has been incredible. Like, I mean, the AFC isn't this juggernaut.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right, so Seattle over Jacksonville. Go ahead and put mine down as Buffalo over the Rams. Okay, you love Buffalo.

[Matt Jones]

You will pick Buffalo. I have never seen anybody love Josh Allen more than you think.

[Myron Metcalf]

If it.

[Matt Jones]

If I told Matt Jones. If I told Matt Jones it was Josh Allen and he was going to have to play 11 guys by himself in the playoffs, Matt Jones would be like, you know what? He has a chance like that, man thinks Josh Allen could do anything.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right, so you have Seattle over Jacksonville. Right now I have Buffalo over the Rams. We will see who ends up being correct. You get. You get Trevor Lawrence, Sam Darnold. I get Josh Allen and Matthew Stafford. We will see who ends up better.

[Matt Jones]

For ratings, but that's all.

[Myron Metcalf]

What, Seattle? Jacksonville?

[Matt Jones]

No, your matchup is better for ratings, but that doesn't mean that's what will happen, though.

[Myron Metcalf]

We'll find out. We will talk some more about a man named Todd Golding with some salty comments yesterday as the College Football Playoff runs on, and other philosophical musings from the Jack Handy of espn, Myron Metcalf. That's next here on ESPN Radio.

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[Matt Jones]

Matt and Myron the podcast college football.

[Myron Metcalf]

Coaches are not necessarily manual cotton. They made more plays than we did as the post game analysis. But Kirby Smart was right as Ole Miss beat Georgia. So now the four teams left. It's pretty amazing group. Ole Miss, Indiana, Oregon and Miami. Not a group you outside of Miami, you know. Not a group with much history. Oregon's been very good in recent years but never won it. So a surprising group of teams but two very surprising with Ole Miss in Indiana. Indiana is an amazing story a lot of people have talked about. But Ole Miss is now being coached by a guy named Todd, which in and of itself is kind of a surprise. No one knew who Todd Golding was and now he's the coach. Lane Kiffin goes to lsu but the Todd's and the Rebs keep winning. And now there's an interesting thing coming up before the Verbo Fiesta Vol.

[Matt Jones]

They call him Todd. Is that you say Todd or Pete Golden?

[Myron Metcalf]

I call him Todd. Everybody else calls him Pete. I actually thought his name was Todd. That should tell you.

[Matt Jones]

Another dude.

[Myron Metcalf]

I honestly thought I'm gonna be, you know, James, there's no reason to try to hide that. I honestly thought his name was Todd Gold. All right, same thing.

[Matt Jones]

You're thinking of golden at Florida. You're getting it mixed up.

[Myron Metcalf]

See, there you go. You know how golden at Florida.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, that's how.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right. It doesn't change the analysis that his name is Pete. Pete is just a fill in, right? He's just supposed to be the guy. Man in the door. And then they make him the guy. The players all love him so much they make him the guy. Lane leaves some of the assistants, although I'm not clear how many, but some stayed, including Charlie Wise Jr. The number changes by the game I think every day Pete just walks in and he's like now which how many of my coaches are here? Charlie Weiss Jr. Apparently said I have to stay. I owe it to these players. So he came back and did the game plan, did a very good job. Now this week, apparently it's still not clear whether some of the assistants that coached last week are going to coach this week because I guess Lane Kiffin thought they were going to lose and basically said y' all are coming back after that game. Pete Golding has said it's not up to me, it's up to the assistance. If they're here, they'll coach. If they're not, they won't. What do you make of the when they go for practice this week starting today, not knowing for sure who's going to be in the locker room.

[Matt Jones]

Look, I don't know what he means. It's not up to him like he's the head coach, like he's still acting like Lane Kiffin's assistant when he's actually the head coach of the program. For me, my philosophy and this is universal across the board. You take another job in the Portal era, I'm putting up, I'm getting the U haul ready for you. You Gotta go. I don't care who you are. If you're going with another staff in this era, in this climate, I don't care what the circumstance is, I cannot allow you to coach this team.

[Myron Metcalf]

So if you're. If you're. If you're Pete and his friends, you're gonna let the entire coaching staff, offensive coaching staff, walk out the door? Who's gonna coach the team? Who's going to make the game plan?

[Matt Jones]

We'll figure it out.

[Myron Metcalf]

We'll figure it out.

[Matt Jones]

Who? We'll figure out.

[Myron Metcalf]

This is the farthest Ole Miss has.

[Matt Jones]

Been since the time of elevation. It's the time of elevation. There are people who have worked under all these staffers. It means people are ready to step up. I'll tell you what I'm not going to do. I'm not going to let you spend an extra two to three weeks with these players that you can take with you to lsu. My problem isn't with the idea of guys coaching the team and staying on board in a past generation, I'm fine with it. When you can take 20 of my best players with you to LSU, I am cutting ties with you immediately because the future of the program is at stake. So I think across the board, your guy will start everybody who took another job, I'd say I'm happy for you. Go to your next job. You can't coach this team anymore, not in this era.

[Myron Metcalf]

But if you're Ole Miss, there's a decent chance you'll never get here again. You know, Conway Twitty said you've never been this far before, and it was weird. And now he. Now the same thing is true. Like, Ole Miss may never see these heights again. Don't you owe it to the players, the program, the fans, to try to take advantage? You have a much better chance of beating Miami this week if Charlie Weiss is there. Then you do if you don't, right?

[Matt Jones]

Yes. I understand the circumstance. Like, I understand that you're trying to win a national championship and you want all hands on deck. Now, first off, you don't know who's staying. So, like, Pete Golding went into this with uncertainty. There was always a chance that Lane Kiffin would say, okay, the party's over. You got to come to lsu.

[Myron Metcalf]

But they stayed for the first game and you won, so isn't it worthwhile to stay for the next game?

[Matt Jones]

The portal just open.

[Myron Metcalf]

Georgia. You beat Georgia.

[Matt Jones]

The portal just opened. The portal just open. That is my enemy now. You, if you're. If you are with LSU staff You. I don't care if you are staying here to coach now. You're the enemy now. Like, to me, it's not like this is just a.

[Myron Metcalf]

This is an sec, though, is there? That's what I was going to say to you. Is there a difference with the fact that Lane Kiffin and these coaches are at lsu, which is in conference, which you probably play, than, say, Will Stein with who's at Kentucky and has left Oregon, and probably that. I mean, they don't ever play each other, so that's not a big deal.

[Matt Jones]

That's a different situation. I mean, it's more magnified because it's sec, it's lsu, Ole Miss. Right. It's more magnified because of how everything went down. Um, it's just a messy situation. And to me, now that the portal is open now, you legitimately have a guy on your staff, multiple guys on your staff who are, yes, trying to get you ready for the playoff game. But we know they're also recruiting some of your best players to take with them to lsu. Like, that's what the enemy now. That's the enemy. Get out of here.

[Myron Metcalf]

You kick all those guys out of here, though, you're gonna have, like, grad students making your game plan. You're. Okay.

[Matt Jones]

Give me. Give me intern Brad. Intern Brad. You're the new O.C.

[Myron Metcalf]

Brad.

[Matt Jones]

Intern. Intern Joe. You coaching the linebackers.

[Myron Metcalf]

But is that.

[Matt Jones]

I know you know how to do it.

[Myron Metcalf]

Players to have intern Brad be the oc.

[Matt Jones]

Matt, I don't know if these are my players anymore. In a week, they might be his players. That's my thing. If. If two weeks from now, Ole Miss loses and 20 guys are with Lane Kiffin. And I know for a fact that you've been talking to these guys, trying to lure them with you to your next job. I let the enemy in my camp. This is sec. At the end of the day, I'm kicking anybody off my staff who's going with Lane Kiffin. Because in the Portal era, you just can't allow. Will Stein's a little different. But I still wouldn't let Will Stein coach.

[Myron Metcalf]

I will coach Oregon. I mean, you got Indiana coming next week, and you tell your oc, get out.

[Matt Jones]

Listen, you could take some of my best players with you to Kentucky. I just cannot. Matt, the Portal era has changed everything. That, to me, is the difference.

[Myron Metcalf]

It does strike me, though, that the two teams that on paper, had the biggest distractions that you're talking about both went out and won in the first week. Oregon and Ole Miss I mean, they both went one. So on paper, this thing everybody was worried about, it didn't happen. Not only did it not happen, they won. And I don't know why you would try to, you know, I don't know why you would try to alter that. What would you do? 888 say ESPN. I'm going to throw it out to the phones. Would you tell the coaches get out of here or would you keep him here and try to win a title? Especially @2 Programs in Ole Miss and Oregon that haven't won an. Oregon's never won a title ever. Ole Miss hasn't won since 1960. So what would you do? 888 say ESPN we'll throw it out there. We'll also get ready for the NFL games today. This is Matt Myron on ESPN Radio.

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[Myron Metcalf]

The podcast it's Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio 888. Say ESPN. All right, I got a bunch of y' all on the pH. I want to talk to you next segment, but keep your spot. All right, we want to talk to you about the old Ms. LSU. So don't, don't go anywhere. But I got her on here and I wish you could have heard her in the last four minutes. He was on one. We were talking about New Year's Eve. We were talking about coaches. I'm going to ask these people on the phone in a minute what they think. But Herm, would you let your coaches coach your assistance in the playoff if you knew they were already going somewhere else?

[Herm Edwards]

You know what I would do. And I know I didn't say this when I was visiting with you guys, I would call the team together and ask the team, what do you guys want to do?

[Myron Metcalf]

You want to let them vote?

[Matt Jones]

Yep, Yep.

[Herm Edwards]

You want the coach, you.

[Matt Jones]

That.

[Herm Edwards]

That you get your team captain, say, man, you guys, I'm not. No, I'm not going in the room vote. You guys decide what you want to do.

[Matt Jones]

Leave it at that.

[Myron Metcalf]

But isn't that passing the buck a little bit as a leader?

[Herm Edwards]

No, no, no. This is what you're trying to teach his leadership, and you give it to your team captains. You say, you go before the team and you ask them, do you want these guys to coach? And if not, they're out the door.

[Matt Jones]

See, that's why I know I couldn't be a coach. I'd be a dictator. I'd fire everybody. If you went with Lane Kiffin, I would have somebody with garbage bags outside your office, and they'd just be tossing stuff in there the moment you went with me.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's what they did with Lane, didn't they? They just put all his clothes out on the sidewalk.

[Matt Jones]

There's gonna be five U Hauls waiting outside of my office, coach, and I'm loading up these garbage bags with all your stuff called call the Uber, the taxi, whatever you want. You can't coach with me anymore in the Portal era. I'm not giving you access to my best players. When you're going to a rival school, there's no chance.

[Herm Edwards]

First of all, look, let me tell you what happens. So y' all know, first of all, when. When you start, when you leaving, your stuff's already packed. It been packed a week ago. So you talking about the U Haul truck and all that stuff?

[Caller]

It's already been.

[Herm Edwards]

I, I, I, I, I. I've been in that movie before.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, they.

[Herm Edwards]

They were looking for me. I was already gone. Say, where coach at? He in Kansas City, man. He gone. I was walking out on stage, getting introduced as the head coach.

[Matt Jones]

Wait, wait.

[Herm Edwards]

Where's all this stuff he. How did he get out of here? I was gone. Been gone, been gone. I was walking out with my wife. We had our little girl, Gabrielle, who. She was born. We can get ready to do the press conference.

[Caller]

How did he get.

[Myron Metcalf]

How.

[Herm Edwards]

What happened? Donnie figured out I was already in Kansas City, man, what you talking about? You guys, you got.

[Matt Jones]

Come on.

[Herm Edwards]

This is the real world, man.

[Matt Jones]

You come.

[Herm Edwards]

Stop all that nonsense. Them coaches already gone, man. They got their office already decorated down where they're going.

[Matt Jones]

But why but then don't let them coach. If they're at lsu, kick them out.

[Herm Edwards]

To lsu, Ole Miss, you know what? For the coach, whoever, that guy, it's okay either way. He good, we're good. And the players are good too. When the players leave.

[Myron Metcalf]

His name is Pete. Myron thought his name was Todd. His name's Pete. No, I didn't know.

[Matt Jones]

I didn't think that.

[Myron Metcalf]

Myron. I don't. Excuse me, Herb.

[Matt Jones]

I don't, I don't.

[Myron Metcalf]

You know, we've gotten to know each other the last few years. I don't know you well, but I think I know you well enough to know this tonight.

[Herm Edwards]

Yes.

[Myron Metcalf]

I feel like Ravens on one side of the field, Steelers on the other. Two historic rivals. One goes to the playoffs, one doesn't. Lamar, Aaron Rodgers, am I correct that this is like a Herm Edwards game written all over?

[Herm Edwards]

Oh, this is a rock fight. Ye. No fair dodging. Yeah, this is, this is get in the middle of the ring and let's go. And I think for both parties, and you know, we always say it's a quarterback driven league, but I think it's especially in this game. This is what Aaron Rodgers was brought to Pittsburgh to do to win games like this. Now, hopefully those receivers can catch the ball this week for him because they didn't do it last week. And then Lamar Jackson, I think he's got to be more explosive as a runner. It's not all about Derrick Hendry. It's about Lamar Jackson when he goes back to throw. Go make some plays with your legs, Lamar. Put the defense on notice that, hey, I ain't gonna just sit in the pocket, I'm gonna lead his pocket. Cause when he does that and when he's a dual threat quarterback, that is a problem.

[Matt Jones]

There were reports, coach, that, you know, Lamar maybe has some maturity issues. That was. Someone wrote that he was falling asleep in meetings. He denied it. You know, how much of that stuff do you think is real? I mean, harbor came out and said none of it's true.

[Herm Edwards]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

Do you believe that? Do you think there might be some stuff going on behind the scenes?

[Herm Edwards]

Well, you know what, you don't worry about all that stuff when you're in the house. You don't worry about what everybody else is saying outside.

[Myron Metcalf]

But you would worry if he was falling asleep in me.

[Matt Jones]

Well, you know what if he was.

[Herm Edwards]

Falling asleep in meeting you? Yeah, but we don't know that. I mean, you wouldn't allow that to happen.

[Myron Metcalf]

But let's assume it's true.

[Herm Edwards]

You'd call. You'd call him in and say.

[Myron Metcalf]

Just for sake of argument.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, you'd call him in. You'd call him in and say, hey, man, you can't do that.

[Matt Jones]

Would you call him out in front of the team?

[Herm Edwards]

No.

[Matt Jones]

Would you call them out in front of the team?

[Herm Edwards]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I wouldn't.

[Matt Jones]

Isn't that accountability, though?

[Herm Edwards]

It's accountability, but I mean, you know what? You treat everyone fair. You don't treat everyone the same. That's the first thing you do when you become the head coach. That's the first thing you tell your players. I'm gonna treat everyone fair. But I don't treat everyone the same. Cause that's life. That's how life works. It don't work like, I'm gonna treat them all the same. No, you're not. When you say that, the players look at you and go, are you kidding me, Coach? We know better than that. It don't work that way. It never. It ain't never worked that way. That's a fairy tale, right? I'm gonna treat everybody the same. No, you're not. Don't say that.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay?

[Herm Edwards]

You know, you heard as a little kid, oh, we're gonna treat you all the same, man. After about the fourth grade, I said, man, listen. What they talking about, man, I got two lollipops. I got two lollipops, and Smitty only got one. So what are you talking about?

[Myron Metcalf]

That always got the fair treat, the unfair treatment.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, you know what?

[Myron Metcalf]

We're out there picking off all. You know what?

[Matt Jones]

That's what.

[Herm Edwards]

When you a special player, you get special benefits. And if not, stand in the back of the line. That's how it works.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay, that.

[Herm Edwards]

That's America, by the way. All right?

[Myron Metcalf]

That's America. Well, what happened to equality and free and. And we all are the same and we each have a chance to reach our goals. Well, I thought that's what America.

[Herm Edwards]

I agree. America is about this. No, it's about this. And. And this is the thing I've always said, look, allow people to compete no matter who they are, no matter what they look like, no matter what their religion is, no matter what their belief says, just let them compete. And when you allow that to happen, then it's fair. But when you don't allow it to happen and you move other people in the way outside say, nah, you can. No, no, no, no. No level playing field. Let them compete. Let them all compete.

[Myron Metcalf]

This is beautiful. This is why sports? Myron can bring us together. It's all you got. This is why we have Herm.

[Herm Edwards]

No, no, I really believe that, you know. Cause guys, I know, remember I grew up in the 60s. I grew up in the civil rights.

[Myron Metcalf]

Movement era in Berkeley.

[Rich Eisen]

Right.

[Myron Metcalf]

You were in the.

[Herm Edwards]

Hey, man, come on now. Am I right though?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Did you have an afro, Coach?

[Herm Edwards]

Come on, you have an afro? I was 6 4, every bit of. 6 4. Yes, sir. 6 4.

[Myron Metcalf]

With the afro.

[Herm Edwards]

6 4, 64 with the afro.

[Myron Metcalf]

With the Afro, Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

The scouts used to measure me. They said, man, you ever been a 6 3? I used to laugh. I said, he's doing. On.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm.

[Herm Edwards]

I'm about six, six, six, one and.

[Myron Metcalf]

A half or six. Wait, so they would, they would. They would measure from the top of the afro.

[Herm Edwards]

They would try to push it down. But even when they pushed it down, I still had some, you know, I still had some, some. Some height through it, you know, Cuz they couldn't push it all the way down. But it's all good.

[Matt Jones]

Hey, man, added to the height. I grew up with it, man.

[Herm Edwards]

I grew up with that mess, man.

[Myron Metcalf]

That was. Understand. I got you. Well beyond that. Yeah, we got. All right. We got off on that last night. The Seahawks beat the 49ers 13 to 3. Your guy, your guy sitting right over there, Myron Metcalf. M to the M. He came on here this morning and promised a Seattle super bowl win. Do you think that's possible?

[Herm Edwards]

Well, I tell you what, let me ask you this. He ain't too far wrong in this. In this. In his.

[Matt Jones]

Thank you, coach.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay, let me ask you this.

[Matt Jones]

Thank you, coach.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay. Who's the best team in the afc?

[Matt Jones]

We don't know.

[Myron Metcalf]

Nobody, but probably the Broncos.

[Herm Edwards]

What'd you just say? No. Your first answer was what?

[Myron Metcalf]

Probably nobody.

[Herm Edwards]

Nobody. Okay. In the nfc.

[Myron Metcalf]

My gut says the Rams. My gut says the Rams, but nobody has stuck out.

[Herm Edwards]

That's the best division. The Rams.

[Matt Jones]

Yep.

[Herm Edwards]

With Seattle, the Rams, and obviously the 49ers. 49ers are wounded, though. They're wounded. They're beat up.

[Matt Jones]

Yep.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay, so this is one of those Super Bowls. Just like this regular season. It's like there's no super. There's no super team. You. You're like, well, who's going to. It's going to be interesting. Who, who goes to the super bowl, guys? I don't know.

[Myron Metcalf]

They asked. I made Myron pick. I made my pick and said Seattle, Jacksonville. Before I do that, Buffalo, Rams. Who's yours?

[Herm Edwards]

Before I do that, okay, I did a segment on SportsCenter this morning about the NFC South. And you know what the question they asked me? They said, coach, who's going to win the NFC South? You know what I did? I took a quarter out of my pocket. You always got to have a quarter. My mom used to tell me that. But see, you know, you had to do.

[Myron Metcalf]

You always got to have a quarter.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, it used to be in my day. Cause you always had to make a phone call.

[Myron Metcalf]

Now you don't do that.

[Herm Edwards]

So now I still do. I go to the phone booth because they already.

[Matt Jones]

The phone booth. Where?

[Myron Metcalf]

The phone booth.

[Herm Edwards]

Did you hear. Did you let me finish? I said, phone booths don't work anymore. Okay, so here we go. Anyway, so I took the quarter and I flipped it and I let it hit the ground. And I said, heads. That means. Heads means that the Saints win and Tampa gets to go. And it was heads because.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know.

[Herm Edwards]

I just flipped a coin.

[Matt Jones]

I have no idea to be anybody.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right. All right. Well, then you pull out your quarter. Well, there's only two sides, and there's multiple options. So you have to pick your super bowl right now, whether you use quarters or matches or whatever you want to use. Who is your super bowl pick? I said Buffalo, Rams. He said Seattle. Jacksonville. What's yours?

[Herm Edwards]

Well, I'm gonna vote for my two favorite teams. One, Eagles.

[Myron Metcalf]

The Jets.

[Herm Edwards]

No, the Eagles.

[Matt Jones]

Eagles.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

Eagles.

[Myron Metcalf]

Don't even.

[Herm Edwards]

Jets don't even have the interception yet. They got one more week to get interception, and then I'm gonna go with the Eagles, and I'm going with the 49ers.

[Myron Metcalf]

Eagles 49.

[Matt Jones]

In the Super Bowl. No, the Super Bowl.

[Herm Edwards]

Super bowl with 49ers. I gotta go with lynch and the boys.

[Matt Jones]

49Ers. But they're an NFC.

[Herm Edwards]

I know. They probably don't have a chance.

[Caller]

They got.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay. Afc. Oh, boy. Afc. I tell you who. I go.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, there's nobody great.

[Herm Edwards]

My favorite player is Josh Allen. I go with Josh Allen.

[Matt Jones]

You all love Josh Allen. You all think Josh Allen could win 1 versus 15? I don't understand. He doesn't have a team, Coach.

[Myron Metcalf]

He doesn't have a team.

[Herm Edwards]

He don't have a team. That's what makes it so great.

[Matt Jones]

So how can anybody think he's gonna win?

[Herm Edwards]

Coach, I just. I'm bet I'm. First of all, he's California guy. He's not. He grew up not too far from where I live.

[Myron Metcalf]

And.

[Herm Edwards]

And I just think that he has carried this organization the last three years. They don't, they don't, they don't give this guy enough love, man. They did.

[Myron Metcalf]

I agree.

[Herm Edwards]

Go.

[Myron Metcalf]

They need to go help him.

[Herm Edwards]

They need to go get some more players to help this guy.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, he needs sick six four with the Afro. Herm Edwards from Berkeley, California. He's got the 49 and the Bills and the Super Bowl. Herm, it is a pleasure as always, sir.

[Herm Edwards]

We will be visiting again next week because the playoffs start, I do believe.

[Matt Jones]

Here we go.

[Herm Edwards]

Don't ask me on Saturday, cuz Saturday I have to go to gma. I'm making my daily, my yearly journey to New York City and you know I'm going to be on the proper show where, where all my people get to hear me when I go on gm.

[Myron Metcalf]

Come on now, listen, you got to downgrade us from for Good Morning America.

[Herm Edwards]

Ain't nobody saying good morning to y'. All. You know, people saying, you guys go to bed, go to sleep, good night.

[Matt Jones]

Michael Strahan has nothing on me, coach. I'm just saying.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, I'm not saying. I'm not.

[Myron Metcalf]

I got more jobs.

[Herm Edwards]

I'm not even going on Strand show. I'm on early show, man. I'm on the 7:00 clock show.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Herm Edwards]

When the real people that show.

[Myron Metcalf]

Who's the host of that?

[Herm Edwards]

You just watch it and see.

[Myron Metcalf]

You don't know their names.

[Herm Edwards]

I know all four of them's names. I'm not going to tell you. I'm going to make you watch it now. You watch it Saturday. I'll be on there.

[Myron Metcalf]

ESPN NFL analyst. 888 say ESP. Would you let the old miss, the LSU coaches coach Ole Miss. We're going to take your call. Some of you stayed on the phone. There's a couple open lines. Join us. This is Matt Myon on ESPN Radio.

[Matt Jones]

Matt and Myon, the podcast. Wow.

[Myron Metcalf]

Some Scottish music to get ready here on Matt Myon on ESP Radio. That's got us Dr. Pepper calling line 888 say SBM. We're presented by Progressive Insurance. Here's the deal. Question is, should Ole Miss Pete Golding should allow his coaches to stay and coach the playoff or go to lsu? Same thing in Oregon. Will Stein's the offensive coordinator. He's produced great game plans that got Oregon to the semifinals. But he's also the coach at Kentucky. He had to spend two days in Lexington to get ready for the portal. But now he's going back to Oregon and do the OC job. If you were a coach Would you keep them both? Would you let these guys coach through the playoffs? Let's go to the phones on the Dr. Dr. Pepper phone line. Let's go to Brianna in Indiana. What do you got, Brianna?

[Caller]

Hi, guys. So this is rare, but I actually agree with you, Matt. And I'm territory because I'm going to the game. I'm a Hoosier and I agree with Matt. I say let him coach. Let him coach for the players. It's fine. Like, let him coach.

[Myron Metcalf]

Listen, Brianna, I've always thought you had a good insight on things. And besides being in Indiana, fans seem like a nice lady. So I think that's the correct.

[Matt Jones]

The best team in the league. They're the best team in football. So, I mean, I don't know, I. I get it, but it just wouldn't be my thing.

[Myron Metcalf]

Oh, so now you're backing down because Brianna's on my side?

[Matt Jones]

No, I still wouldn't let him coach in the Portal era. It's just a bad idea, especially for.

[Myron Metcalf]

Some Ole Miss fans because they're on here. Robert, Mississippi, you are hottie totty. What's the next line after that, Robert? It's like, hottie toddy bada body. What is it?

[Matt Jones]

What?

[Myron Metcalf]

Gosh almighty got hottie toddy. Gosh almighty what? Hang on, hang on. Shh. Myron, do it again. Go for it, Robert.

[Caller]

Adi toddy gosh a mighty. Who the heck are we? Flim flam bim bam Ole Miss by Darn, that's cleaning it up a little bit.

[Matt Jones]

Somebody was in the studio. Like, this is. This is the salt. What is that? Is that the school song? What is that?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, it's like the chant, right, Robert?

[Matt Jones]

Right.

[Caller]

It's just a chant that's been around since I guess, the 60s or so.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. You all had a lot of stuff that had been around that you decided to get rid of. So maybe that was 60s. Yeah. I don't know.

[Matt Jones]

Was any brothers in the writing room? Probably not. Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right, Robert, so. So what would you do with these coaches?

[Caller]

Well, first off, I mean, these kids have known that Kiffin might be going to LSU or Florida for what, two months now. So if they were going to follow him, they would know already. So I don't think by keeping the coaches around that none are recruiters. And Charlie Weiss Jr. Is the such a key for us. I think we keep him if Lane Kiffin doesn't make them go back. And we've Also, we've got LSU's recruiting coordinator coming to us and, and their GM. So we're flip flopping these coaches and players. Who knows exactly what's going to happen but you know it's going to be chaotic regardless, so.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, that makes sense to me. Let me ask you a question. Do you all. How much do you hate Lane Kiffin? It.

[Caller]

I. I mean, I. It was so great for a while, but about the. I just got so sick of the him being on social media every day from the start of the year. He just got annoying and it was just, mainly just a strain to have to think the players are wondering all.

[Myron Metcalf]

Year what he's going to do.

[Caller]

I can't believe that they held on and only lost one game. They really are like minded group of guys.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I like to hear sounds like a fair balanced old man. Ms. Fan, I appreciate. Let's go to Gerard in Utah. Gerard.

[Caller]

Hey, good morning.

[Myron Metcalf]

Matt Myon.

[Caller]

How you guys doing?

[Matt Jones]

Good.

[Myron Metcalf]

What's up?

[Caller]

Hey. I'm a Georgia Bulldog fan and so I would say, you know, just the way Ole Miss played in that game, I would keep Charlie Weiss, you know, especially if I'm, you know, Pete, AKA Todd, you know, golden to do that. Yeah, yeah. I would keep him around, you know, especially if I want to try to be the head coach next year.

[Myron Metcalf]

I love it. Let's go to Eugene in Louisiana. Eugene.

[Caller]

Hey, man. How y' all doing?

[Myron Metcalf]

Doing good.

[Caller]

I'm all right, man. Look, first I want to talk about two things. I wouldn't. I wouldn't let them stay. I'm admired, man. They gotta go. If you're already with Lane, just go ahead and be with Lane, you know, so go ahead and go to kids. We're gonna make it. We should have people in line that could handle the business and do what we need them to do. As far as Coach John.

[Matt Jones]

Yep.

[Caller]

Yeah. It's our job, man. Get inside John in there. Give him a shot, man.

[Myron Metcalf]

Give him a shot. All right. What's in it? What was your second thing? Real quick?

[Caller]

I can't believe y' all was in New Orleans and y' all gonna say Louisiana. You didn't know if Louisiana was part of the Sweet Tea nation. I can't believe that.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's what I. Yeah, yeah. I knew it was.

[Matt Jones]

You are sweet tea. You all have sweet tea. I didn't know, man.

[Caller]

Listen, listen. You can't go into Popeyes and order unsweetened tea. That's all we have is sweet tea.

[Herm Edwards]

Originate.

[Matt Jones]

I was there for 28 hours, man. I'm sorry.

[Myron Metcalf]

You didn't ask.

[Matt Jones]

I didn't know.

[Myron Metcalf]

You didn't Go to Popeyes. Yeah, that was a problem. Let's go to Jonathan in Louisiana. Go ahead, Jonathan.

[Caller]

So everybody's given. Given Lane Kiffin a bad rap, but, I mean, he's being a good guy. I mean, can y' all agree with that?

[Matt Jones]

Is this Lane Kiffin? What are you talking about?

[Myron Metcalf]

Like, why is he even making his coaches decide? Like, why not just let him stay?

[Caller]

I mean, let the guys go coach and be happy with the players.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, but Lane Kiffin is allegedly the. Lane Kiffin's allegedly the one that's making them chew.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, it's his thing.

[Caller]

No, I don't think it's Lane Kiffin. I think it's.

[Matt Jones]

It is this Lane Kiffin.

[Myron Metcalf]

Ole Miss has said they want them to stay. It's Lane Kiffin making them decide.

[Matt Jones]

Can't we all just get along? Is that Lane?

[Myron Metcalf]

Do you do hot yoga with Lane?

[Matt Jones]

Is that. Why Are you. Are you in the class with him? I think that's probably what.

[Caller]

No.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right, well, I appreciate. All right, well, everybody's got an opinion. It's. That's what makes it great. Steelers, Ravens. We'll have opinions on that next on ESPN Radio.

[Matt Jones]

Matt and Myron, the podcast.

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