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Matt Jones
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Chris Canty
This is Matt and Myron the podcast.
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Myron Metcalf
Hard to describe the feeling this all began back in July for these players. It's a year round job for them. This is what they all battle for, what they fight for. They go through the pain for pay.
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Chris Canty
For the guy beside you.
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Myron Metcalf
Play for everybody. Mahomes backpedaling Watson. What a throw by Mahomes. Give me everything you got today, man. Fighting for the end zone. What a run. Touchdown Philadelphia.
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Chris Canty
This is Super Countdown to Kickoff on ESPN Radio. Now alongside Myron Metcalf, here's Matt Jones.
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Myron Metcalf
Today is the day. You have been watching the NFL since the first of September. To get to today, the second weekend in February, it is a Super Bowl. And this is Super Cap down to kick off here on ESPN Radio presented by Progressive Insurance, Matt Jones and Myron Metcalf. The Philadelphia Eagles and the Kansas City Chiefs going for history. A three peat. Something that has not happened in the NFL in, well, ever. And here we have a chance to win three consecutive titles. The first team to ever do it today in New Orleans at 6:30. Myron, when the season started on this show, I believe that I predicted these two teams to be here in New Orleans and now they are here, much to your chagrin, especially on the AFC side where you thought there was no way that. Patrick, I think at one point you called the Chiefs mid and now here they are mid enough to be playing for a Super bowl title. Are you excited about the game tonight and the matchup we had in the final of it?
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Chris Canty
I'm excited but like I, I'm always willing to give you credit. I don't know how much credit I can give you for predicting what I think was the favorite super bowl matchup coming into the season.
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Myron Metcalf
Like I think did it happen?
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Chris Canty
I think but I think in Vegas Eagles Chiefs was like plus 500.
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Myron Metcalf
But that's still, that's first of all, I mean what you didn't like will not give. Hang on just a second. Why do people not give credit for picking the favorites? If the favorites make it, isn't the goal of Picking to actually get what happens.
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Chris Canty
Yeah, but I mean you're going to tell me it's going to be cold in Minnesota in December. Like I don't know that if it's.
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Myron Metcalf
Cold though, I should get credit.
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Chris Canty
Yeah, but you started the show being like all hell, Matt Jones. Look at what I just predicted. It is like, well, you and everybody else, but.
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Myron Metcalf
Well, there's a lot of people that didn't predict the Chiefs. I mean I think this was, it was very popular before the season and then it was very popular during the season to dismiss the Chiefs, say, oh, this is not a normal Chiefs team. They're getting lucky. They're winning these one score games and they have just kept winning and now they're in this position during the season.
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Chris Canty
You're right. I mean during the season certainly there was, it was a bit turbulent, the close wins. There are a lot of people who doubted if they would get to the spot again. NFL history, that's valid. But I think coming into the year, people thought they were the team to beat. They always find a way to figure it out and here they are again. I think the Eagles are the bigger surprise just because of all of the preseason drama with Nick Siri. I don't know. I think some people thought Nick Sirianni might not make it through the year.
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Myron Metcalf
Well, let's all the drama preseason odds for a second. Here were the preseason odds to win the super bowl. The Chiefs were plus 500, so 5 to 1. So this matchup was not 5 to 1, just the Chiefs winning the Super bowl was 5 to 1. The Eagles were 12 to 1 plus 1200. The 49ers and the Ravens had a better at least in terms of preseason odds with at the ESPN bet that 49ers and the Ravens both had better odds than the Eagles. So while the Eagles were considered, you know, one of the teams that could win it, it is revisionist to think it was obviously going to be them. As a matter of fact, through most of the year, people thought the Lions were the best team in the nfc. We forget that the Eagles went through a little stretch at the beginning of the year where people just gave up on him and Sirianni was already fired. So both of these teams, I think through the season were discounted at some point.
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Chris Canty
Yeah, during the season, definitely. I mean, but I also think that was somewhat justified. I mean the Eagles had injury issues. There was a Syriani drama. I think there were stretches where you wondered if Jalen Hurts could deliver, could he be a playmaking quarterback because you don't win Super Bowls unless you can be that at that position. And I think with Kansas City, the close calls, people said, wow, are they going to be in a situation in the playoffs where it comes down to another block field goal and maybe this time it'll work against them? So I think the criticism, if you will, the doubt was all valid, but now here they are, and we'll see what happens.
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Myron Metcalf
There are a lot of Eagles fans that work at espn, so if you've been watching or listening to espn, you've probably heard a lot of fly Eagles, fly talk. But the biggest story about this is, I mean, let's, let's think about this for a minute. Think about the history that is on the line today. I'm not a. I hate when people talk about quote, unquote legacy, but I do love history. And from a historical perspective, what the Chiefs can do today is really an amazing thing. Kansas City is playing in the super bowl for the fifth time in six years. So just start with that. That is unprecedented. We've never seen that in the NFL history. Fifth time in six years. They also look to become the first team to win three consecutive super bowl titles ever. Never happened. Think about all the great franchises, this packers of the beginning of the, of the merger, the Cowboys, the Steelers, you know, go back to Tom Brady's Patriots. Never happened. But not just football. Let's go the NFL, NBA, NHL, Major League Baseball in the wnba. The last team to win three straight championships. Byron, can you see the screen? I want to know if you know, without, without reading it, do you know the last team to win a, get a three feet in any of those sports?
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Chris Canty
Of course, it's Kobe and Shaq. Yeah.
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Myron Metcalf
Did you know that or did you see.
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Chris Canty
I knew that, of course.
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Myron Metcalf
Okay, so, but let's think if it's, it's Kobe And Shaq, that's 2000 to 2002. That's a long time ago. I mean, the history that can be made today is not just NFL history, it's sports history.
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Chris Canty
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think this could go down as the most dominant run in modern, modern sports. Right. Because here's the problem with sports history, and I know you hate the word legacy, but we tend to discount anything that happened before 1992. You know what I mean? Like, anything that happened, like 80s, 70s, 60s, like there were a bunch of like crazy runs during those times where the Lakers or the Steelers, you know, won a bunch of championships, but people usually put that to the side. I think modern sports is usually like 1990 till now. Right. And in that chapter, this could be the most dominant stretch we've ever seen. The Patriots have the most dominant dynasty, but in terms of just a six year stretch, if they win today, we've never seen anything like that.
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Myron Metcalf
Yeah, I don't know if it's 90 or 92 or whatever, but for me it's really pre and post salary cap. Right. Was it's post punishing teams for spending too much money? Obviously in football we have a hard salary cap. Basketball we have kind of a soft one. In baseball we barely have one at all. NHL has a hard salary cap, but in the salary cap era, this is even more amazing because it's almost impossible to do nowadays. And yet they're doing it. Sal Palantonio, my good friend, an ESPN NFL reporter, was on the Super Game Day show this morning and here's what he had to say about what a Chiefs win would be.
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Jeff Darlington
I think it goes down as the greatest dynasty in NFL history. Move over Green Bay, San Francisco, Dallas, Pittsburgh, and Belichick and Brady. Because you look at it, you know, with the infusion of all the money in the NFL right now, there's never been this dynamic level of change and upheaval. And you know, we had the highest number of one score games in the last two years. So the league has never been more competitive than it is right now. And three, the grind of the 17 game schedule. You put those three seismic changes together and you still come up with three championships in a row, three Super bowl trophies in a row. That's an amazing feat. And I think it goes down in history as the greatest of all time.
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Myron Metcalf
For that reason, I agree with Sal there. I think the structural changes in the NFL have made it to where the NFL doesn't want this thing to happen. Actually, contrary to the sort of Internet conspiracy theory people, the NFL wants parody. They want different teams in, and yet this group keeps going. I think, Myron, that's why if they win today, it might. It is the greatest accomplishment in NFL history to win three in a row like they, they would have done. Yeah.
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Chris Canty
And I think considering the competition, they'll be in the conversation for sports history. I mean, they're battling an MJ right in the Bulls. They're. They're battling the teams that you automatically think of. Because like you mentioned Kobe and check. I don't think when people think three peat in basketball, that's the team they think of. They think of Michael Jordan doing it twice.
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Myron Metcalf
Yeah, I think of Michael Jordan and they think. I think of The Lakers with magic and those guys. Yeah.
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Chris Canty
And then in hockey, what was the Detroit Red Wing, Red Wings, maybe, or the Montreal Canadiens?
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Myron Metcalf
I think Canadians back in. But. But, you know, that was like back.
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Chris Canty
In the Telegraph era, baseball, the Yankees, I mean, so there, I think that to me, is where that's what Kansas City would be compared to. The difference is, with a lot of those runs, Matt, at the end, we were sort of like, all right, that's it. You knew Michael Jordan, even though he'd done his second time, was going to retire at some point. You know, you knew the Yankees can do that forever. Mahomes might be able to do this for another decade.
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Myron Metcalf
Yeah.
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Chris Canty
That is what makes this so unique.
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Myron Metcalf
He definitely can. This is. You know, I don't know if they're going to win. I actually think this game could go either way. I'm. Well, I'll save my pick, but I think anybody that's listening to the show knows I'm not going against Mahomes. But I do think when you watch history, when you have a chance to watch something, I'm. I feel confident about what I'm about to say. Myers. Okay, this will never happen again. This. It's.
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Chris Canty
This.
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Myron Metcalf
I mean, it's not crazy because it's never happened before, but I also think we'll never see. Like as Sal said, there are closer games now than there's ever been in history. There are more teams that have a chance now than there's ever been in history. We may have more good quarterbacks around the league than we've ever had in history. We'll never see this again. And Myron, that's why I'm excited, because it's a chance to really experience history in the moment, which doesn't happen very often.
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Chris Canty
Yeah. I mean, this is what our every generation does. Yeah. I think for us, it probably feels that way. Who knows what the future will hold? But it's unique. I mean, especially because there's a guy named Tom Brady who seemingly did everything that you could do at that position. So to be in a spot where.
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Myron Metcalf
You call the game, he may have to call the game to have someone do the one thing he didn't do, which is kind of in and of itself unique now. So Mahomes has a chance to do something even Tom Brady hasn't done. But what about Andy Reid as well? Does he get into the pantheon of coaches? I don't think people put him with the Belichicks, the Lombardi, the Walshes. Does he get there today? That's next. Here on Super Countdown to kickoff on ESPN Radio.
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Chris Canty
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Myron Metcalf
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Chris Canty
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Myron Metcalf
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Chris Canty
Plus predict and reaction. Superweek 2025 live from New Orleans, Louisiana continues on ESPN radio. Brought to you by GNC and Verizon, Matt and Myron the podcast.
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Myron Metcalf
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Chris Canty
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Myron Metcalf
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Myron Metcalf
It is super countdown to kick off on ESPN radio presented by Progressive Insurance. He's Meyer Metcalf. I'm Matt Jones. I'm excited about the super bowl today. Ready for Myron, some good snacks. You know, I know you were wondering. I had a colonoscopy this week and there's no better way to celebrate it being over than Super Bowl Sunday and all the good food.
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Chris Canty
Okay.
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Myron Metcalf
Yeah, I'm just saying you're getting to that age, people, when you're 45 years.
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Chris Canty
Old, you do it.
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Myron Metcalf
And I did. And I just want to say you can get through it. Myron, you're almost 45. You need to head into that direction.
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Chris Canty
Start thinking about I know. I just didn't expect. I mean, you've been talking about this colonoscopy for, like, 10 minutes, and it just. It kind of was going to detail.
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Myron Metcalf
I'm just letting you know that, like, it's a good thing for you to do.
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Chris Canty
No, it is. Everybody. Everybody should do, I think. What age? 45.
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Myron Metcalf
45, yeah. And it's nothing to be scared of. I hear people being scared. Totally fine. And there's nothing to be scared of. Today at the Superdome as the Eagles and the Chiefs play.
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Chris Canty
That's a. That's a transition.
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Myron Metcalf
Well, I think if the Chiefs win.
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Chris Canty
Some people you could.
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Myron Metcalf
Well, the white people talk about the Chiefs. They're going to act like it's a colonoscopy because they don't want them to win so much.
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Chris Canty
Another good period. You must write these.
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Myron Metcalf
Okay. You know, what do you think?
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Chris Canty
I do?
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Myron Metcalf
I Prepare. Super Bowl 59 is the fourth instance of a quarterback rematch in the Super Bowl. And in each of the three previous instances, the same quarterback won both times. So Mahomes has a chance to go and get a championship. He would also become, again, talking history. NFL, NBA, baseball and hockey. The amount of players in history that have won four titles and two MVPs. Would you like to know who they are in their first eight seasons in the league? DiMaggio, Mantle, Bill Russell and Guy LaFleur.
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Chris Canty
All right, it's not Guy LaFleur.
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Myron Metcalf
I think it's Guy. Is it Guy?
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Chris Canty
We've had this conversation.
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Myron Metcalf
We have callers like, almost curse you two out. It's Guy. Yeah, it's Guy. Which is what I said originally.
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Jeff Darlington
The call.
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Chris Canty
People say Guy.
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Myron Metcalf
Nick's right. We've had this exact conversation where I said gi. You said Guy. The caller said it was ghee and you got mad.
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Chris Canty
I'm just saying. Well, they put a thing on it, so.
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Myron Metcalf
No, he's French Canadian. That's how you say it in France.
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Chris Canty
Well, then somebody needs to put that next to his name.
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Myron Metcalf
All right, so Gila Fleur, Bill Russell, Mickey Manuel, DiMaggio. You may notice of all those names, they're old. So Mahomes has a chance to be maybe the first modern player to do it. So there's a lot at stake. But I want to talk about Andy Reid for a second. If I were to have said to you before the show started, give me the best coaches in NFL history, I think a lot of people don't say Andy Reid. They should now because he's won three Super Bowls. But if he wins today, do you think that's finally happens for him, that they sort of say, hey, he is right there, if not ahead of the Belichicks, the Walshes, the Lombardi's pick, your coach that Parcells that you think is one of the greatest.
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Chris Canty
It won't happen for him, I don't think.
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Myron Metcalf
Why do you think that is?
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Chris Canty
Because I think Belichick was the last of the coaches sort of in the air when coaches still got credit. And I think he's just in an era where we give everybody else credit but the coach now. I mean, you know, the. The Sean McVeighs maybe get that younger group, get some credit?
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Myron Metcalf
Yeah, I think they do. I think those guys.
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Chris Canty
Not like those guys, though, like Belichick. I think a lot of people saw Brady and Belichick as, you know, 1A, 1B, you know, you. You decide your order. But I think they saw them as on the same level in terms of how responsible they were for that dynasty. I mean, George Hallis and Don Shula, those guys. I mean, the first name you think of with those Dolphins teams was Don Shuler. So I think it was a different era and how coaches were viewed. Whereas Andy Reid is almost viewed as like sort of a best supporting actor for.
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Myron Metcalf
But I don't understand why that is, because I think. I mean, I think you're totally right that that's how he's seen. But I think. I actually think it's less about the modern era because I think you're right. We do celebrate these, like, boy genius coaches as. I think it's just about kind of what Andy Reid, what people think of him like, as a stereotype. I think that he's like. Because he's lovable and he has a mustache and he's round and he's quiet and he plays like goofy characters in commercials, people sometimes somehow act like he's just this guy bungling through life that good things happen to. Which I think is so unfair to him, considering not just what he's done in Kansas City, but in Philadelphia as well. I feel like I should. I want to be the leader of the. Why doesn't Andy Reid get his respect and flowers for what he's accomplished?
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Chris Canty
I think part of it is the consensus is that other people could do this too. I think that's the problem. When you have some of this great Mahomes and it happened to Phil Jackson, it's happened to other great coaches in different sports. I think the consensus is for people, when they look at him, they go, yes, he clearly is a great Coach. But with Patrick Mahomes, a lot of coaches could win championships, but there's other.
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Myron Metcalf
Coaches that have had great guys that have it. No one's won three in a row. I mean, I could say the same thing about Belichicks because Brady did go and win with another coach. He won with a coach that wore a beanie. So like, I feel like if he won with him, I'm still supposed to think that Bill Belichick is amazing. Why can't I think Andy Reid is amazing too?
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Chris Canty
Well, Bruce, it was a, it was a Kango hat. But I'm not saying you don't call that a beanie. That's a kango. Kango.
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Myron Metcalf
It's not the same. But like, I've always called that a beanie. That's not a beanie to you.
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Chris Canty
That's not what. That's. No one. I've ever, never heard it called that. But to each his own. I think the problem with Andy Reid again is when you're coaching a great player like that, I think you're always viewed as someone who is sort of secondary. But why hasn't been so bad?
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Myron Metcalf
Why doesn't Belichick, why doesn't Belichick have that problem? Cause Brady was obviously great.
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Chris Canty
Yeah, but, but I think it was a, it was a different era. I think that's part of it.
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Myron Metcalf
But that long ago it was still in the 2000s.
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Chris Canty
But also remember, Brady comes in as the six round pick. So what Belichick got a lot of credit for, whether it was fair or not, was development of Brady. Right. That they identified Brady and then look at what he became. Mahomes kind of came into the league even though he wasn't the first pick. Great. Right. Like right away you could see it. So I think that's the problem in terms of how Andy Reid is perceived is I think a lot of people think that others could do this same thing. I don't think that's fair either, but I think that is a part of how he's perceived.
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Myron Metcalf
I think you're right. I just, I think it's amazingly unfair because he's had offensive coordinators come and go. Right. He had Matt Nagy, had Eric Bien Ami. You know, he's had those changes. The one thing that is consistent is him. And he also did it in Philadelphia. Yeah, he didn't win a Super Bowl.
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Chris Canty
People ignore that.
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Myron Metcalf
But why do they ignore it? Like he. I genuinely believe, and maybe I'm wrong about this, I genuinely believe people don't give him credit because he just Looks like a dude off the street. Right. He looks like a guy that lives in your neighborhood. He's got a buzz cut, he's got a mustache. He's round and he seems joyful and people look at him and go, well, that can't be a brilliant. Whereas, like, Sean McVeigh is handsome with his hair all slicked back. And yes. Like, people are like, well, that guy must be smart. This guy looks like he's working on my toilet after the game. And I don't think they give him. I don't. But I'm just being serious. I don't think they give him credit. And I don't think that's fair to him.
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Chris Canty
No, I mean, I'm with you, man. I'm with you 100. I do think he is viewed differently. You remember those NFL films, those documentaries? Like, that'll be on these legendary coaches. It'll be like Don Shuler.
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Myron Metcalf
Yeah.
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Chris Canty
And then they'll be like, you know, he walks out of the tunnel and the guy's got the deep voice kind of narrating how.
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Myron Metcalf
But they all had a look like.
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Chris Canty
They, like, don't have an anime.
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Myron Metcalf
Like a guy who, like, piloted a boat on a. You know what I mean?
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Chris Canty
They all look like ex Navy SEALs.
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Myron Metcalf
Yeah. Vincent Bardi wore the hat and he looked like, like. Now Belichick, though, was a slob. And everybody still gave him credit. I just feel like Andy Reid deserves his credit. He deserves. I mean, this is an amazing accomplishment.
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Chris Canty
That other people could do. I think people think other people.
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Myron Metcalf
Do you believe that? Yeah, sure.
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Chris Canty
Other people could win with Mahomes. Yeah. I don't think that's crazy. It doesn't knock his legacy, but it's not crazy.
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Myron Metcalf
I. Other people maybe could win with Mahomes, but he did. And it's important that while you're right, he wasn't a six round pick, he wasn't the first pick. Mitch Trubisky got picked in front of him, you know, and yet he's still able to do it. I'm standing up for Andy Reid. His mustache is silly, but he still is able to win. And I don't think he gets enough credit now. The Chiefs could become the next great dynasty in modern sports. But what if the Eagles win? We'll deal with that next on ESPN Radio.
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Jeff Darlington
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Chris Canty
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Jeff Darlington
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Myron Metcalf
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Chris Canty
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Myron Metcalf
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Myron Metcalf
Surprised how much the ESPN world has opinions on our conversation about Andy Reid? Subaru Countdown to kick off on ESPN Radio presented by Progressive Insurance. Most people seem to agree with me. They don't. They're not an Andy Reid hater like Meyer Metcalf. Let's, let's bring in Jeff Darlington. He's ESPN's NFL reporter. You're normally mostly a reporter, but I value your opinion, Jeff. For me, you're more than news. And so I'm gonna ask you. I don't feel like people treat Andy Reid as one of the great coaches of all time. Like, to me, he should be in the Belichick, Parcells, Walsh, no Chuck, no Vince Lombardi group. But I don't think he is. And I think it's in part just because he looks like a normal dude and is kind of, you know, got a mustache.
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Jeff Darlington
Belichick looks like, like.
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Myron Metcalf
Well, I agree with you. Belichick looks like a slob, but people treat him differently. Why do you think they treat him different?
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Jeff Darlington
I don't know that they do. I feel like it's taken more, maybe more time for Andy Reid. And you know, in the defense of those who have questioned that, you know, it has taken him to get Patrick Mahomes to really go on this historic run. But he's getting there to that point. I also think that, I mean, I really, I think that we're really close, especially if they win this game, to putting Andy Reid right there in that mix. But the Super Bowls are what matter. And, you know, this is the point where I think we can look at his career, especially if he gets this repeat, and say, no, Andy Reid absolutely belongs in that conversation.
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Myron Metcalf
He's won three already, though. I mean, when he went to one with a different franchise, I mean, I. He won.
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Jeff Darlington
If he won that one, I think that we would be having a totally different conversation here. But I. I also think that Andy Reid. I'm not trying to dismiss it. I think Andy Reid does get. I feel like you sound like one of those guys. You know, they're like, man, people are hating on us.
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Myron Metcalf
It's like, no, I'm not saying they're hating on him. I just. I don't sense like people talk with Bell about Belichick and some of those guys with such reverence. It just seems to me we have a. We have a. We need. We should have a reverence for Andy Reid. And now, in my opinion, that's the word reverence.
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Jeff Darlington
Yeah, I think we do. I mean, he's a Hall of Fame coach. He is now squarely in the conversation as one of the best of all time. You know, I do hate the. You know, a lot of times, I think what we'll do is Belichick's a defensive coach and Tom Brady's like, I think we'll go down that road of who gets the credit. Tom Brady going and winning a Super bowl with the Bucks should make us all realize that quarterbacks are important no matter what. And whether you're a defensive coach with a quarterback or an offensive one with, like, Andy Reid with a quarterback, like, you deserve credit as a coach no matter what happens. And I do. I truly believe that we are there with. With Andy Reid.
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Chris Canty
Jeff, I think the super bowl is the most difficult trophy to win in all the sports. No one has been able to do it three times in a row. Why is Kansas City built to do what has never been done before?
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Jeff Darlington
You know what I think? I look back to the Tyree Kill decision to let him go, and this was a team that decided we're going to. We have Patrick Mahomes, we have the unicorn, we have the coach, the aforementioned coach, Nandy Reed. Let's take those two pieces. Everybody always says, you know, if you're going to pick who's going to win the game, you should look at the coach and look at the quarterback. And I think the Chiefs looked at their team and said, we've got the coach, we've got the quarterback. Let's figure out the rest year to year and make sure that we morph into our best identity throughout the season. And I think the Chiefs have done that in a way, the Patriots did it. The teams that have, have come the closest to its repeat have all done something similar. You look at each of the Super Bowls that this team has won, much like you look at the Patriots with Tom Brady, and you can look and say, you know, two years ago it was all about offense. One year ago is all about defense. This year the identity is kind of balanced across the board. The identity of each super bowl team was different. And I think that that's how you managed to win three in a row, because I don't think you can win three in a row if you try to replicate the same thing year in, year out.
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Myron Metcalf
I like that. That's a really, that's an interesting perspective. Jeff Towling to ESPN NFL Reporter. Let's talk about one of the consistence of those three teams, which is Travis Kelsey. I, you know, he, there's reports this could be his last game. Who knows if that's true or not?
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Chris Canty
I don't.
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Myron Metcalf
I'm interested in what you think. Like there was a time with Travis Kelsey it was clear he was the best weapon on the team outside of Mahomes. Sometimes it seems like it comes and goes this year a little bit, you know, and so I wonder where, where do you consider him on this team in terms of the most important pieces to the chief success?
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Jeff Darlington
So I mean, I think that two things, first of all, the first of which is even when he wasn't necessarily the most productive, he brings an element of cohesiveness to this team. We talked, you know, and I was just talking about what it takes to win three championships in a row. Yes, you have to do things that are different each year, but you also have to have cohesive leadership. And he I think knows that better than really just about anybody. Him, Chris Jones, Patrick Mahomes, those are the three guys that spoke to the team last night during the team meeting the night before the Super Bowl. That I think tells you a lot about Travis Kelsey's value on this team outside of stats. The other thing that I would say though is that Kelsey this year has been the closest thing to load management that we see in the NFL. And he's not the type that's going to take off plays. He gets mad at Andy during practice when Andy tries to take him off the field for certain reps. But, but ultimately Andy did recognize that and would kind of make sure that during practices, even in games that he's playing in a way that's going to preserve him to the post season. He is such a valuable commodity to this team in the postseason. And he said after the divisional game, it's not like I just flip a switch, but I would actually argue in some ways he is kind of built throughout the season to flip a switch and be able to kind of maybe put his body on the line more often. Save his body for this time. And again, talk about what championship teams do. They expect to be in the postseason and they expect to be playing their best football at that point. That's exactly the case for Travis Kelce.
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Chris Canty
Jeff, obviously talking about Kelsey and Mahomes and Andy Reid, I mean, that's kind of what sells the game. But what are the chances at the end of this? We're talking about the Kansas City defense and the role that they played in this game more than anything else.
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Jeff Darlington
I mean, it's got to be, quite honestly now, I was saying this a little bit ago, Patrick even made this clear this week. Like last year, this team was all about defense. And that's really what. What ultimately elevated them. In a year when they had all those drops at receiver, they were struggling to find offensive identity. This year it's been pretty balanced across the board. Offense, defense, special teams, and some of the weird wins that the Chiefs got. I do think, though, in this game, and I'll go back to this crazy stat for Steve Spagnolo. He has coached 18 games in the playoffs for the Chiefs as the defensive coordinator, 18 straight games. He has not allowed 100 yard rusher against. That's wild and that's nuts. And going into this one, though, obviously, if they can hold saquon Barkley under 100 yards, the Chiefs are winning this game. To me, that's end of story right there. To do that, though, is. Is of all the. This is the 19th game, 19th playoff game of all the 18 before it. This is clearly the biggest challenge. So if the defense can stop Saquon Barkley, the offense will do what it needs to do to make sure that the Chiefs win this game.
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Myron Metcalf
We'll finish with this, Jeff. We've asked all these questions about the Chiefs. Let me ask about the Eagles. You know, it feels like to me you're around the league. I mean, Saquon Barkley's year has been amazing. And two years ago, I was saying on this show, who cares about running backs? Like, at this point, aren't they all. Yeah, aren't they all kind of interchangeable? And then here Comes Saquon. And did Derrick Henry's year with Baltimore. Ashton Genti is rising up draft boards from Boise State. Do you think Saquon Barkley is changing the way the league looks at running backs, or is this like a unicorn situation that he's just different? How, how. How do you. And how does the leagues, you think, see it?
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Jeff Darlington
I think the combination of. Of, like you said, Derek Henry doing it as well this year, Saquon, I think that they have done more for the position than maybe any running backs in the past couple decades. From the standpoint that the value was so diminished. I mean, and not just subjectively on our shows where we talk about it, but objectively, the value of the running back was disproportionate to the rest of the roster, given about the productivity and all of a sudden, safe one. Derrick Henry, you know, and Christian McCaffrey to a degree, but the injury kind of thwarted that. But they have essentially said, no, no, the value of the running back is still significant. And. And you can't just go find anybody anywhere. It's a huge impact on the game. And. And quite honestly, I think it, you know, it comes in cycles, but this will at least allow the running back position to avoid the downturn that they were. They were in during the past few years.
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Myron Metcalf
This game is in New Orleans. Has there been any New Orleans storyline? Like, any players staying out too late or something? Sometimes. Sometimes. I know when the Final Four college basketball's in New Orleans, sometimes New Orleans becomes a part of the story. Has that happened at all at Paul?
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Jeff Darlington
It's crazy. I mean, like, I was. Look, you guys know, I'm. I'm, you know, I'm around a ref. I was ready to go, man. I was fired up. Like, what we got? You know, you show me the handcuffs, I'll show you a story. Nothing. Nothing. I mean, not a thing. The biggest issue that the Chiefs had all week was their printers going down at the hotel. I mean, it is fascinating how smooth this week has been going and quite honestly, very difficult on a reporter like myself.
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Myron Metcalf
I'm sure that's true. Well, hopefully you found other ways to get into it in one of my favorite cities in the world. Jeff Darlington. Enjoy the game. You've done great all year, and we appreciate you talking with us.
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Jeff Darlington
Thanks, guys. Anytime. Appreciate you all, too.
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Myron Metcalf
There you go. Chiefs and Eagles. You like New Orleans, Myron? Is that your kind of city? Are you.
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Chris Canty
You got Cajun flavor for my birthday, man, I love New Orleans, man. I just love that city.
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Myron Metcalf
Can I tell you my best New Orleans story. Really quick before we go to break. Yeah, I was on the. I was on one of the little, you know, what do you call it? Porches, like patios on the second floor, you know what I mean? Where you look down over the street. What do you call it? Overhangs, Whatever. Anyway, this guy like started talking trash to us because we had Kentucky shirts on. And I looked down and we were like, who's that guy? And one of my buddies, he shouldn't have done this, but it was a bachelor party. He threw like beads at the guy because he was talking trash. Next thing I know, this dude goes and I see him buy 10 hot dogs right from the thing, like $hot dogs. And he starts chucking them at us on the roof. Like, just starts throwing. And I'm like, this dude has some speed on his, on his court, on his hot dogs. Like he's throwing them in a spiral and they're like coming right at me. It was former New York jets quarterback Browning Nagel. He was on the street in Bourbon street throwing tight spiral hot dogs at me and my friend's face. And I went, wow, maybe he wasn't good in the NFL, but in when it comes to street hot dog throwing, this guy still got it.
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Chris Canty
What did the hot dog dude think when he ran over and bought 10 hot dogs like that? Like, yes, to keep a hot dog.
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Myron Metcalf
In a tight spiral is pretty good for a. I think Brownie Nagel at the time was probably 40 years old and still throwing a tight spiral on his hot dogs.
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Chris Canty
Ten of them, man.
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Myron Metcalf
So jets fans, maybe he wasn't great for you, but he still got an arm. Coming up next, we have a new hall of Fame class and Myron's mad. We'll talk about the controversy next here on ESPN Radio.
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Chris Canty
NBA Sunday on ESPN Radio. It's an Eastern Conference showdown in Milwaukee.
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Myron Metcalf
Who rolls down the lane for another one handed jam?
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Chris Canty
The 76 is at the Bucks deep free straight away. Smoking coverage begins today at 1:30 Eastern on ESPN Radio and on ABC. Presented by indeed Matt and Myron.
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Myron Metcalf
The podcast 2025 Pro Football hall of Fame class is Eric Allen, Jared Allen, Antonio Gates and Sterling Sharp. Two time super bowl champ Eli Manning denied on the first ballot. I think Eli is going to be waiting for a couple of years. It is Sunday morning Countdown to kick off here on ESPN Radio. Super Countdown to kick off presented by Progressive Insurance. Marin met Kevin Matt Jones. The word I was looking for back there was balcony. Myron not. I was sitting there saying ledge and Roof. I was talking about New Orleans, the balconies that were there. I don't know how busy they've been. I hear Eagles fans are outnumbering Chiefs fans like 3 to 1 in New Orleans. Are you surprised by that?
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Chris Canty
No. I mean, isn't there a part of you if you Kansas City, like you've been there already? Probably. I mean, like there's probably less of an urgency if you're a Kansas City fan to feel like you got to see them in a Super bowl compared to an Eagles fan who's like, all right, maybe this is another shot. So, yeah, that doesn't shock me.
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Myron Metcalf
The 2025 NFL hall of Fame class got announced this week. It was tidy. And Antonio Gates, which I think is not controversial. Cornerback Eric Allen, also not controversial. Defensive end Jared Allen, pretty, pretty solid. And then wide receiver Sterling Sharp, which maybe surprised me a little bit.
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Chris Canty
I'm thankful.
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Myron Metcalf
But then the. You, you now there were some folks that did make it and Steve Smith, senior Terrell Suggs, Luke Cakeley. But Eli Manning is the story. Eli did not get in even though he's two time super bowl mvp, won two Super Bowls. One of six players to win multiple Super Bowl MVP awards. Made the Pro bowl four times. Started 210 consecutive games from 04, 2017. Were you surprised Eli got out or did not get in? And do you think the NFL messed up by leaving out the younger Manning?
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Chris Canty
The voters did. Yeah, I was surprised. I mean, I can't stand the hypocrisy on the NFL hall of Fame conversation because most people aren't honest about it. And the reality is it's not really the hall of Fame for great players. It's the hall of Fame for pretty good players. Like at the end of the day, better than pretty.
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Myron Metcalf
It's very good. Maybe not great, but everybody ends very good.
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Chris Canty
I think there's some pretty good players in there too. My point is like who overall? Well, the fact that you even get. So I'm against. I'm against anything but first ballot hall of Famers. Like if you're not going to say either you're in right away or you're out when you're eligible. Now you're opening up the door to players who maybe aren't the Tom Brady's of the world.
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Myron Metcalf
Who's someone you think is in that shouldn't be in.
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Chris Canty
In terms of player. I don't want to name players that like maybe offend people, but I'm saying everyone's not great. Everyone's not great. There's a bunch of old school players. There's a bunch of old school players who, you know, whatever, maybe have a certain perception, a Super bowl or two. My point is, Eli Manning is in that tier. He's not Brady Montana, Drew Brees, fine, but he beat Brady twice. And also, what people don't realize, from 05 to 2012, he has a bunch of playoff wins over, you know, guys like Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers. Like, he beat some of the guys who are certainly going to be hall of Famers if they're not already. And if you look at his numbers, they're comparable to what Aikman did. More passing yards, more Super Bowl MVPs, has as many rings as John Elway. More passing yards than John Elway. I'm not saying he's better than John Elway, but he's closer to that category of quarterbacks than he is to the group of guys who just don't belong. So I don't really get it. I think part of it is the hall of Fame doesn't really know what it wants to be. Too often the people who are voting, often guys like me, are trying to make a point with the hall of Fame, and that doesn't help either, so. Well, it doesn't make sense.
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Myron Metcalf
If you look historically, the two answers as to who's in the hall of Fame that should not be in the hall of Fame are. Joe Namath is definitely number one. I mean, Joe Namath is in the hall of Fame because he had that one game. I mean, overall, his career, he's not a Hall of Fame quarterback. And then the other one, and this is gonna make people mad, but go look at the numbers. Is Lynn Swan. Lynn Swan, he only had 336 catches right now. He happened to be on a heck of a team, but, like, there are guys with three times that many catches that are not in. It's just he was on this great team. And there are people who will say the same thing about Terry Bradshaw. I give a little more leeway to Terry Bradshaw because he. Because he's a quarterback for four super bowl teams. But if you're just looking at numbers, the two dudes that stick out is, why are they in? Is are Joe Namath and Lynn Swan. But the reason they're in, Myron, to me, is when you're telling the story of the NFL, Joe Namath and Lynn Swan are a big part of telling the story. So I'm okay with them being in. If you accept that. Okay. If that's going to be how you Put people in, which is what you did when you put in Joe Namath and Lynn Swan. Then Eli Manning's in. Because you can't tell the story of the NFL without talking about Eli Manning. He has two of the most improbable super bowl wins. He was a very good quarterback. Don't know if he was great, but he was very good. And if you. I'm with you. They have set the precedent in the NFL that at least at the quarterback position, very good gets in. And Eli Manning is that the problem for him is the next couple years. The classes are loaded coming in. So he's probably not going to get in in the next couple years either, which I think is unfortunate because I think Eli should be in. If you're going to put Joe Namath in, you're going to put Lynn Swan in, then you got to put Eli.
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Chris Canty
Manning, Bob Hayes, Charlie Sanders. There's a bunch of guys who, and a lot of, a lot of times it's old school guys who just finally got in. Which I think that's unfortunate because to me, what does it mean if you get it on your, you know, fifth, sixth, seventh try? Now, Sterling Sharp is different. Sterling Sharp should have been in from the beginning. It's ridiculous that he just got in. Now if you look at what he achieved before he got hurt, but I think Eli Manning is certainly in that Next group of quarterbacks again goes to the super bowl, beats the greatest quarterback of all time, two time Super Bowl MVP, gets full credit for what they did. 05 to 2012. Eli Manning is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL where he gets hurt is the end of his career. But I think there are a lot of guys who had a great stretch and then that was it. So I don't think he should be penalized for that, honestly.
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Myron Metcalf
Same is true of Aikman. Like, if you're gonna put Aikman in.
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Chris Canty
What I'm saying that's. People don't want to have that conversation.
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Myron Metcalf
Put Eli in. Eli and Aikman have a very similar career thing. And well, I mean, I'm just being honest. If you're going to put. Put Aikman in, then I think you got to put Eli in. Same thing with Joe Nama, same thing with Lynn Swan. I do think eventually Eli will get in. I have a quick question for you though. You know, you always see the videos when these guys get in and somebody's like waiting outside their room to tell them, yeah, what do they do with the dudes? Like Eli, like, was Peyton waiting outside the room and then he just had to go back home. Like, what do they do? Because, like, you know, they don't tell him till the day of. But they always have some elaborate thing. Do they just set up the elaborate thing and then go, all right, we'll wait and do this next year? Like, how does it work?
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Chris Canty
You see folks outside tearing down lights and stuff and unplugging speakers and you just kind of know.
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Myron Metcalf
I've often wondered, because they used to bring them to a hotel and then tell them in the hotel, what did you just get brought year after year and then told to go home? Like, how does that work?
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Chris Canty
You see a bunch of people pulling your driveway and then leave, all of a sudden it's not your year.
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Myron Metcalf
Somebody who's behind the scenes, I've always wondered because it feels like a bad way to do it.
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Chris Canty
Is the big dude still doing it? The Giant?
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Myron Metcalf
I don't know. I liked him. I always. That's how I would always say hi to him every year. But feels weird. Coach Herb Edwards is going to join us, get us ready for the Super Bowl. That's next here on ESPN Radio. Hey, it's your resident super bowl champ, Chris Canning.
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Jeff Darlington
Coming up Monday, I'll give you my.
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Myron Metcalf
Biggest takeaways from Super Bowl 59.
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Chris Canty
It's unfortunately like 6am Eastern right here on ESPN Radio, ESPN2 and ESPNU. Thanks for listening to Matt and Myron the Podcast. You can listen to the show live every Sunday morning at 10:00am Eastern on ESPN Radio, the ESPN app, and on SiriusXM Channel 80. Matt and Myron, the Podcast.