Hour 1: The King of Rhode Island

Summary

---

Podcast Summary: Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron

Episode: Hour 1: The King of Rhode Island
Date: April 5, 2026
Hosts: Matt Jones, Myron Medcalf (out), Guest Host: Tim Welsh

---

Episode Overview

This episode, with guest host Tim Welsh filling in for Myron Medcalf, weaves Rhode Island culture and trivia into a comprehensive breakdown of college basketball’s Final Four weekend. The hosts (primarily Matt Jones and Tim Welsh) examine UConn’s historic dominance, Michigan’s surprising win over Arizona, and the evolving dynamics of college hoops—especially the resurgence of big men. The episode spotlights notable figures from Rhode Island, discusses movie references, and dives into the Geno Auriemma–Dawn Staley coaching controversy from the women’s Final Four, offering expert insight, lively banter, and a few memorable debates along the way.

---

Rhode Island: Culture, Notables & Humor (00:16–05:00, 12:33–14:10)

• Opening Banter: Matt discovers guest host Tim Welsh is from Rhode Island, joking, “I wasn’t certain it was an actual state.” (00:39, Matt)
• Famous Rhode Islanders:
  • Tim’s List: Farrelly brothers, Joe Hassett, Ernie D. Gregorio, Marvin Barnes, Dave Gavett, Joe Mazzulla (“Johnston Joe”), Seth MacFarlane, Charlie Day, Pauly D., Michael King, H.P. Lovecraft, Buddy Cianci ("Prince of Providence").
  • Matt, skeptical but intrigued, riffing: “Those are words. I'm not sure what they mean.” (03:20, Matt)
• Local Culture:
  • Welsh highlights Rhode Island’s “seafood, Italian food, beaches... what else do you want? Snow?” (12:57, Tim)
  • Movie mentions: "Me, Myself & Irene," "Something About Mary," and "American Hustle" as films with a Rhode Island connection.

---

Final Four Analysis: UConn’s Dominance (05:00–11:16, 28:20–31:01)

• Game Recap: UConn’s commanding win over Illinois, leading nearly the entire game, setting up their third national title appearance in four years.
• UConn's Historic Run:
  • “They are now in their third title game in four years... playing for their seventh national championship in 27 years.” (04:24, Matt)
  • “If it wins tomorrow... will have won seven of the eight Final Fours they’ve been to. A crazy, crazy record.” (04:35, Matt)
• Toughness & Defense:
  • Tim Welsh emphasizes: “Toughness wins in these games if you combine it with good skill and teamwork... UConn made Illinois a one-on-one team. That’s not how they’re built.” (05:02, 06:24, Tim)
  • Illinois, top-rated offensively, held to just 3 assists: “They had three assists last night.” (06:04, Tim)
• Bench Play and Confidence:
  • “Ross and Stewart come in off the bench and they make three threes... Mullins really paved the way for them to be here.” (07:31, Tim)
  • Mullins’ poise lauded: “Every story... was ‘Braylon Mullins coming home’... and he delivered again.” (07:58, Tim)
• UConn’s Tournament Unpredictability:
  • “Since 1998, give me five teams and one will win the tournament... except twice when UConn’s won it.” (09:51, Matt)
  • “They really are remarkable.” (10:36, Matt)

---

Michigan’s Blowout of Arizona & the Big Man Resurgence (14:10–19:35, 23:59–26:39)

• Michigan Surprises Arizona:
  • “Michigan just absolutely blew Arizona off the court... Never close.” (04:59, Matt)
  • Tim Welsh’s take: “It was experience again... Arizona just couldn’t get good looks... Michigan imposed their will defensively... Michigan had 22 assists.” (14:31, Tim)
• Adjustability & Guard Play:
  • Matt: “Their success has been with their size... they have success going... with their guards dominating.” (15:31, Matt)
  • Welsh: “That’s what’s amazing... with Lindenberg only playing 14 minutes...” (17:20, Tim)
• 7'3" Spanish Center Mara:
  • “It helps to have a 7'3" Spanish center up there catching the lobs. Mara...” (17:20, Matt)
  • “Sometimes a guy just needs different scenery, different coach... and he hits his mark.” (17:31, Matt)
• Are Big Men Back?:
  • Matt posits: “Year of the reassertion of the bigs in the sport... this is a reassertion of the big man in college basketball.” (19:08, Matt)
  • Tim: “Bigs have a life still in the NBA... This is about balance on offense, isolating down low with spread shooters.” (19:35, Tim)
  • Nate Oats intends to recruit more size: “Nate Oats this week said he’s going to have to change his recruiting philosophy... ‘I gotta go get some bigs.’” (19:49, Matt)

---

Guest Segment: Tom Crean Weighs in on Final Four (23:59–34:55)

Michigan vs. Arizona Recap (23:59–26:39)

• Surprise victory:

  • “Michigan, Arizona? Arizona was never really in it... Arizona didn’t have bigs that could shoot the ball...” (23:59, Tom Crean)

• Small Ball Strategy & UConn Preview:

  • Michigan’s versatility: “They've done some [small ball]... they've got such versatility with the bigs... and backcourt. Trey McKinney has just been fantastic... I still think Michigan’s got a lot of answers in this game with the small ball, with the zone.” (25:07, Tom Crean)
  • UConn’s perimeter shooting: “They're really, really good in the corners... that’s where Michigan is really, really vulnerable.” (25:07, Tom Crean)

On Coaching, Dusty May’s Rise, & UConn-Illinois Gameplan (26:39–31:01)

• Dusty May’s Stock:
  • “He gets the game at a high level... gets guys who mesh, builds a team... He could be a really good coach in the NBA.” (27:18, Tom Crean)
• UConn's Defensive Physicality:
  • “The cumulative effect of a physical game like that... UConn’s offense, if you don’t have an incredible conditioning level, you just get worn down.” (28:48, Tom Crean)
  • “Keaton Wagner hadn't seen much like that.” (28:48, Tom Crean)

Historic NCAA Tourney Shots: Mullins’ Place in History (32:51–34:55)

• Ranking Mullins’ Shot:
  • Tim: “It’s in the top five, I would say. If they win tomorrow night, I would move it up... we forget about good old NC State way back when. Lorenzo Charles, I’ll have to put him up there, too...” (33:25, Tim)
  • Tom: “In this current realm, I’m going with number two behind Chris Jenkins. Mount Rushmore is Jenkins, Laettner, NC State, Mullins.” (34:04, Tom)
  • Matt: "That's a good four right there... the Mount Rushmore of the TV era." (34:38, Matt)

---

Women’s Final Four Controversy: Geno Auriemma vs. Dawn Staley (37:11–44:57)

• The Incident: Geno’s heated third quarter interview and postgame outburst at South Carolina coach Dawn Staley, later followed by an apology (without naming Staley directly).
• Was Geno Out of Line?
  • Matt: “When you say he deserves a benefit of doubt, though, I feel like Geno has always been a sore loser... Isn't your character on display when you lose?” (38:47, Matt)
  • Tim: “Hey, it happens forever in sports and it will continue... if anyone deserves benefit of the doubt after all these years, I think it’s Geno.” (38:14, Tim)
• Direct Quote—Geno's Interview (41:30):
  • Geno: “There were six fouls called that quarter, all of them against us. And they've been beating the out of our guys down there the entire game… Their coach rants and raves on the sideline and calls the referee some names you don't want to hear... this is ridiculous.”
• On Geno's Apology:
  • Matt: “I do find it interesting that in the apology he doesn’t mention Dawn Staley’s name. He says the staff. Probably, you know, I might have put her name in if I was him.” (38:03, Matt)
  • Tim: “She is South Carolina. I would say that obviously includes her.” (40:43, Tim)
• Matt and Tim’s Debate:
  • Matt: “He's whining about no excuses and making excuses. I'd like to see what he would do if his players did the same thing.” (42:34, Matt)
  • Tim: “If he wants to. He's earned that right over the years.” (42:53, Tim)
  • Matt: “Geno's a jerk. He's a very successful jerk, but he's a jerk.” (43:06, Matt)
  • Tim: “He's not a jerk. He's a good guy. He's a great coach... He had a moment.” (43:19–44:03, Tim)

---

Memorable Quotes & Exchanges

• “I wasn’t certain Rhode Island was an actual state.” (00:39, Matt Jones)
• “Seafood, Italian food, beaches... what else do you want? Snow?” (12:57, Tim Welsh)
• “They are now in their third title game in four years... If it wins tomorrow night, will have won seven of the eight Final Fours they've been to. A crazy, crazy record.” (04:24-04:35, Matt Jones)
• “Toughness wins in these games if you combine it with good skill and teamwork...” (05:02, Tim Welsh)
• “Illinois is the number one offensive team in the country... and they had three assists last night.” (06:04, Tim Welsh)
• “Sometimes a guy just needs different scenery, different coach... and he hits his mark.” (17:31, Matt Jones)
• On Geno: “I'm not making excuses... and then he makes excuses.” (41:53, Matt Jones)
• “Geno’s a jerk. He’s a very successful jerk, but he’s a jerk.” (43:06, Matt Jones)

---

Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:16–05:00 — Rhode Island trivia and opening banter
• 05:00–11:16 — UConn-Illinois Final Four breakdown
• 14:10–19:35 — Michigan’s win, big man resurgence in college basketball
• 23:59–34:55 — Tom Crean joins to analyze semifinal, coaching trends, and NCAA buzzer-beater history
• 37:11–44:57 — Women's Final Four controversy: Geno Auriemma vs. Dawn Staley, with full debate and Geno’s on-air quote

---

Listener Q&A & Local Recommendations

• Best Restaurant in Providence? (21:01) — Tim Welsh jokes that he has a ‘fee’ for the answer and returns to movie references (“Dumb and Dumber” shoutout).
• Text Topic: Listeners write about Rhode Island memories, advocating for its seafood and mentioning Newport’s attractions.

---

Tone and Style

• Lighthearted & Bantering: Matt’s self-deprecation, Tim’s Rhode Island pride, and the duo’s willingness to rib each other creates a fun, conversational feel.
• Detailed Analysis: Game breakdowns are technical, full of coaching terminology and statistics, with both Welsh and Tom Crean providing coach-level insight.
• Candid Debates: The episode’s best moments come from spirited arguments—especially about Geno Auriemma’s sportsmanship—delivered with real personality and occasional bluntness.

---

Conclusion

“Hour 1: The King of Rhode Island” balances sports culture and Final Four breakdowns with local color and lively, sometimes cheeky, debate. Rhode Island gets its moment in the sun, while listeners get high-level basketball insights and memorable radio sparring, especially around the episode’s coverage of UConn’s rise and women’s hoops drama.

---

Transcript

[Matt Jones]

Protein is now at Starbucks and it's

[Starbucks Advertiser]

never tasted so good.

[Matt Jones]

You can add protein cold foam to your favorite drink or try one of our new protein lattes or matcha.

[Starbucks Advertiser]

Try it today at Starbucks.

[Matt Jones]

This is Matt and Myron, the podcast. I do have to say I've kind of come around on James Dan House, and it seems like the people at espn, at least the social media clips kind of have too, because every time I go on ESPN, it's like on TikTok, it's like final Four highlights, baseball highlights, and Dan House. So you may have been early James on the Danhausen train. I'm not going, I'm not going to lie to you. I think I've come around. He makes me laugh. And I'm not going to say you are cursed to our guest host today because I wouldn't do that to him because he seems like a nice fella. Tim Welsh is joining us here on Matt Myron on ESPN Radio. Tim. We're presented by Progressive Insurance, if you can save it progressivecommercial.com insur Tim, we've never met before, but it's very nice to have you join us.

[Tim Welsh]

I've met you, I've listened to you guys every weekend and.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, that's nice.

[Tim Welsh]

What an honor to be here in the big city.

[Matt Jones]

Is it an honor? I just got an email address at this company last week, so I don't know how much of an honor.

[Tim Welsh]

Honor to be next to you. Honor to be filling in for the great Myron, especially this weekend. You know, I know Myron's not in the Caribbean or anything. I know he's still doing, he's working, he's doing some late game stories probably. I mean, nothing better than that.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I learned something about you today, though.

[Tim Welsh]

Oh.

[Matt Jones]

You said to me that you live in Rhode Island.

[Tim Welsh]

How about that?

[Matt Jones]

Sitting here thinking, in my entire life in existence, I don't think I've ever known a person who lived in Rhode Island. I wasn't certain it was an actual state.

[Tim Welsh]

Come on.

[Matt Jones]

And so you, you live in Rhode Island. What is that?

[Tim Welsh]

Like you didn't know the great late judge, Judge Caprio? Do you ever watch his show?

[Matt Jones]

Oh, is that, is that the. I remember that guy. He was like kind of a con judge, right?

[Tim Welsh]

Best. Yes, the best.

[Matt Jones]

He was from Rhode Island.

[Tim Welsh]

Everybody knows the judge.

[Matt Jones]

I'm trying to think. The only thing I know about Rhode island was that Lamar Odom team that

[Tim Welsh]

went far in the tournament there. Danny Hurley lived, was my neighbor for seven years in Rhode Island.

[Matt Jones]

So who Else who's famous from Rhode Island. Like who. Who are the. Who are Rhode Island. Who's on the sign?

[Tim Welsh]

Farrelly brothers.

[Matt Jones]

Really? The Fairly.

[Tim Welsh]

The great Joe Hassett, Ernie D. Gregorio, Marvin Barnes, Dave Gavett. I mean, I can. Do we have a couple. How many? Three hours.

[Matt Jones]

There were some names in there. I have to admit, I've never heard before. Come on, you're getting to the commissioner of the Big East. That's not. If that's in the top five gave.

[Tim Welsh]

It was the Olympic coach. Great coach. He's in the Basketball hall of Fame. Shame on you. You're from Kentucky. Joe Missoula is from Johnston. They call him Johnston. Joe.

[Matt Jones]

Seth McFarlane.

[Tim Welsh]

There you go.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, Seth McFarland's from Rhode Island. Okay, now you got Charlie Day.

[Tim Welsh]

Paulie.

[Matt Jones]

Who's Charlie? Oh, from Always Sunny, right? Yes.

[Tim Welsh]

Pauly D. Michael.

[Matt Jones]

No, Pauly D. Is not from there.

[Tim Welsh]

Michael King just signed for 75 million with the Padres.

[Matt Jones]

Paulie D. All right. Well, listen, Lovecraft, I don't know who that is.

[Tim Welsh]

The Prince of Providence, Buddy Cianci. Have you ever read his book? No.

[Matt Jones]

Those are words. I'm not sure what they mean. What is. Who is the Prince of Providence?

[Tim Welsh]

Buddy Shancy. It was the mayor for a long time and he had a good story. A funny story. Entertaining story, I would say.

[Matt Jones]

All right, well, it's good.

[Tim Welsh]

That's. I'll stop.

[Matt Jones]

It's good to be in a room, except virtually Senator.

[Tim Welsh]

Great Senator. Senator White House.

[Matt Jones]

Rhode island gets two senators. That's very nice of him. Let's get started. Off the top. What are we thinking about? I'm trying to think, but nothing happens. Nothing happens. Time to find out. This is off the top. Flash off the top with Matt Myra now. It's great to have coach here because he actually. He coached at Providence and Iona and it is Final Four weekend and the first two games obviously were. Last night, Yukon topped Illinois after leading essentially the entire game. They are now in their third title game in four years. Even more amazing to me than they are playing for their seventh national championship in 27 years. Yukon has made eight Final Fours in its history and if it wins tomorrow night, will have won seven of the eight Final Fours they've been to. And a crazy, crazy record. And then Michigan just absolutely blew Arizona off the court in a game that some people were saying were going to be the game of the decade. Ended up never being close. Michigan storms out the gate and wins by a massive margin. Let's go through these together, Tim. Let's start with the Illinois win if you don't mind, or excuse me, Yukon win if you don't mind. Were you surprised that in a game that most people thought Illinois size could be overwhelming, that Yukon essentially dominated play from the get go?

[Tim Welsh]

Toughness, toughness wins in these games if you combine it with good skill and teamwork on the offensive end. And that's what UConn did. And they made shots. You know, when you're making shots, you got a little more pop in your step on the defensive end of the floor and you put a little. You deflate the opponent. And that's what happened last night. Early and often. I mean, Illinois came back after they got down big early, but they just didn't. I didn't like their defensive philosophy. They gave up too many wide open looks. They didn't play those pin down screens properly. They tried to go through the screens over the top instead of, as we call it in coaching, lock and trail, you know, trail the screener, make them put it on the floor, make them curl it, just take away the three. I mean, you got to adjust. And then terrace re just dominated the inside to start the game and it kind of put the stamp on the game. And then defensively, Illinois, the pressure just got to them. The pressure of UConn really bothered UConn. I mean, Illinois, Illinois is the number one offensive team in the country as far as efficiency goes. And they had three assists last night.

[Matt Jones]

That was. That's the amazing number to me that a team that is as good offensively and it has been as efficient as they are over the years. They went almost through the entire first half without an assist. Got one, I think right there before halftime. What do you do? You just attribute that to pressure the entire game as being what led that to happen?

[Tim Welsh]

Well, UConn made Illinois a one on one team. And that's not how they're built. They're built on movement and spacing and driving kicks. And on their drives, UConn stayed home. They stayed home on the three point shooters and they said, you got to go buy us to beat us. And they couldn't go buy him. They couldn't go buy him. And they had major problems. I mean, Wagler had his 20, but other than that, I mean, even that was. He was 2 for 10 from the 3 they got up in him. They made him put it on the floor and they did a good job. They got in some foul trouble, they called some fouls because UConn was a little physical on the perimeter and properly. So. But, but the Overall tempo of the game was set by their pressure. And Illinois didn't have a real answer for that.

[Matt Jones]

And they missed so many shots at the rim the entire game. It was unbelievable how many times they had what looked like bunnies and just could not finish. And then you mentioned UConn's three point shooting. After that start by Reed, it was clear Illinois want almost daring Yukon to shoot. And then Tim, they made it. And ultimately that's, you know, if you give people shots and they make them, you're going to end up taking an L at the end, right?

[Tim Welsh]

And Ross and Stewart come in off the bench and they make three threes coming in off the bench. And then of course, you know, coming in. Mullins really paved the way for them to be here last night. And he, he used that momentum to his own, with his own confidence. He had confidence right from the get go. You could see it, you know, he didn't really play that great in so far in the tournament except for that last great shot. And then it just carried over to last night, just that confidence in playing in his hometown and everything else that goes with it. I mean, usually, sometimes that these young guys can't handle that type of exposure and accolades, so to speak. Every story, everything you heard all week long was Braylon Mullins, Braylon Mullens this and coming home. And he got us here and the whole thing and the whole world was on his back, but he delivered again. And give the coaches credit too for making sure that he was refocused after that drama from last weekend.

[Matt Jones]

We're going to talk to Karam Butler a little bit later in the show. But the UConn story is amazing to me. I mean, this is a program that 30 years ago, 35 years ago, you know, was really had no history of which to speak. And then over, over the course of time, you know, got to final, got to Elite eights knocked out by a latener shot. But then really starting in 99, their record is unbelievable. And, and it's not just that they have a chance to win their seventh title in the last 27 years. It's the fact that when they go to the final four, they win it. It's the fact that Danny Hurley is 15 and 0 from the Sweet 16 on. It's also interesting to me that in those 27 years where they've made seven championship games, they've also missed the tournament nine times. It's such a or famine thing. But then when they get in these moments, Tim, they succeed and they win all the way. Going back to, you know, Kimball Walker and Shabazz Napier, it is. They are unlike any other program in the country.

[Tim Welsh]

Amazing. It really is. Unfortunately, had to live through some of that myself and take the hits on the other. On the other sideline. But I was there to witness it. And it's just a remarkable. Anything you can say, it just. You can't top it. It's just unbelievable what they've done.

[Matt Jones]

I always say at the start of the tournament, and Rachel asked me this every year, I always say, give me five teams and one of them will win the tournament. And I've done that since 1998, give me five teams and one of them will win the tournament. And in the history that's now 30 years, I've gotten the five teams, except twice when UConn's won it and now this year I didn't have UConn. So one of these years, Rachel, I'm just going to. I get five teams and then you also have to give me Yukon because the only exception to the rule is when Yukon does it. And if they win this year, Tim, it will be Yukon again, not one of the five and actually going and winning.

[Tim Welsh]

No. See, I kind of like that. They're like your Achilles heel because they are used to pick them. So, no, you can't.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I've picked them some years. I mean, I picked them the last two years. They won it, but I didn't pick them in 2011 and they won it and I didn't pick them in 2014 and they won it. And now they have a chance to. To do it again. They really are remarkable. We're going to talk about the Miss Michigan victory as well. Just domination over Arizona. Got a lot of guests. Tom, Cream, Meyer, Metcalf, Karam, Butler. That's all with Tim Welsh. Mr. Rhode island is in the house here on Matt Myron. Presented by Progressive Insurance. Matt and Myron. The pod.

[Tom Crean]

Oh, oh, oh.

[Matt Jones]

O'Reilly.

[Tim Welsh]

Check engine ABS or maintenance light on. Take the guesswork out of your warning lights with O'Reilly Veriscan. The service is free and provides a report with solutions verified by ASE Certified Master Technicians. And if you need help, we could recommend a shop for you. Ask for O'Reilly Veriscan today.

[Tom Crean]

Oh, oh, oh. O'Reilly

[Found Advertiser]

Auto Parts.

[Kodiak Advertiser]

Quick time out, some breakfast intel you want to know about. Kodiak frozen power Waffles and flapjacks are built for busy mornings. Heat it, eat it, and you're out the door. No long prep, no complicated game plan. They're packed with 12 to 14 grams of protein per serving. A good source of fiber and crafted with 100% whole grains, not refined white flour. So you're getting something that actually fuels you. And there's depth on the roster. Buttermilk and vanilla, blueberry, chocolate chip. Even gluten free options. Breakfast that delivers, snack that delivers. Find Kodiak frozen waffles and flapjacks in the frozen aisle at your local grocery store. They're the ones with the bear on the box.

[Matt Jones]

It is Matt myron here on ESPN radio. You know, the text machine is 772-774-5254 and people write in. Tim Welsh is filling in for mine with facts and me sort of talking about Rhode Island. One person goes, matt, I got married in Rhode island and a lot of people may not know this, but I think it has some of the best seafood in America. Do you agree with that?

[Tim Welsh]

Of course. Absolutely. Seafood, Italian food, beaches. What else do you want? Snow? Expand your life a little, Matt. Let's go get up here.

[Matt Jones]

Well, no, I just. I always. I always think of Rhode island as, you know, you drive through Providence. It never occurred to me to stop. And you're telling me that I should.

[Tim Welsh]

Of course. Have you heard of Newport? Come on.

[Matt Jones]

Yes, I've heard of it. I've not been. One person writes, Matt, the movie American Hustle you may have seen was about the mayor that Tim talked about. That is a great movie. And I forgot that was. That's in provide.

[Tim Welsh]

Right. The. Me, myself and Irene, I believe that was set in Rhode Island.

[Matt Jones]

I didn't remember the setting for that movie.

[Tim Welsh]

Something about. Something about Mary. A little bit of Rhode island in that one.

[Matt Jones]

Wow. Because the Farrelly brothers, I guess. Yes. All right, well, see, look, see, this is what this show is for, is education.

[Tim Welsh]

Do you know who Rita Felcher is?

[Matt Jones]

I do not.

[Tim Welsh]

Well, she was in the movie. Was the movie. Helped me out with one of the Farrelly brothers original movies. Anyway, she's from Cranston. She was in one of the Fairly Brothers.

[Matt Jones]

Well, Fairly Brothers, I like them sticking up for their home state. Now, I do want you to educate me, so educate me on how Michigan blew the doors off of Arizona yesterday in a game that I thought would be one of the epic college basketball battles. It never was close. What was your. Why do you think it ended up being such a, you know, route?

[Tim Welsh]

I guess it was experience again. I mean, you look at it with the youth of Arizona and what actually happened on the floor defensively, it was kind of, you know, Michigan imposed Their will defensively against Arizona. And Arizona just. They couldn't get good looks. They struggled. And we talked about the assist total. They only had five assists last night. I mean, and meanwhile, Michigan had 22. That's usually the telling factor. I mean, that tells you that you turned into an individual, individual offensive game team. And Michigan really shared the ball. Michigan had major issues. Foul trouble, injuries, everything to their front line. They went small and they answered. And Arizona just really struggled to guard them on the perimeter. They hit the 12 threes and guys like McKinney and Cadell played great. Yes, their guards really played great.

[Matt Jones]

And that's what's what I think is really impressive about that Michigan team is all year long, their success has been with their size. They can just overwhelm you with size. They're one of the few teams that comes out and will play three bigs regularly. Three big bigs, not just guys that sort of are called bigs. Guys who are extremely tall, large presences inside. And then yesterday they have to play, they have success going a completely different way, as you said, on the perimeter with their guards dominating. I mean, that to me, Tim, is this a sign of a really good team. There are already people saying, and they haven't even won yet, this Michigan team is going to rank up there with the very good college basketball teams the last 20 years. Are you. Do you agree with that?

[Tim Welsh]

Yeah, I mean, and we'll see obviously, if they have to win first. Of course, everybody had Duke beating Connecticut. I mean, I'm not going against Connecticut yet. I mean, I've got to see some of this game and how they defend. And the one thing Arizona really struggled with and they didn't, they didn't really adjust defensively was guarding that middle pick and roll. And the lobs, you know, the lobs of, you know, Michigan just threw it up at the rim. And of course, their size really bothered Arizona up front. Defensively, Arizona couldn't match them at the rim, but, you know, they didn't have enough good enough ball pressure. They turned the corner, they threw that lob. Cadeau was just tremendous throwing the lob at 10 assists. And most of them were right point blank right at the rim. And when you share the ball like that and your point guard plays at that level. Now, Cadeau has had some nights where in fact he struggled with the turnovers at times. And even last night he had six, but he topped it with 10 assists. So, yeah, they're good. And to do what they did last night with Lindenberg only playing 14 minutes that's what's amazing is really, really special.

[Matt Jones]

I mean he is that he's their star and he, he spent a lot of the time on the, on the bike, on the sideline. You mentioned throwing lobs. It helps to have a 73 Spanish center up there catching the lobs. Mara. You know, you people forget about him because of Yaxel, but I mean it's a kid that was at UCLA and could not seemingly find a way to contribute, ends up leaving is a perfect example of how sometimes the portal people talk about it just sort of stealing mid majors. But sometimes a guy just needs a different scenery, different coach or whatever and he. And he hits his mark.

[Tim Welsh]

Yeah, and sometimes guys develop later. They're not, they're not the players they were at one place and they keep developing, working their game and they want a new environment and it's really paid off for Mara. I wouldn't doubt he would be doing this at UCLA too. But he's.

[Matt Jones]

Is he a pro in your mind?

[Tim Welsh]

Yes, absolutely. Just the combination of size, skill. He's got great feet. He can play somewhere for sure.

[Matt Jones]

Are you. Do you see him as a. I mean I've been trying to figure out with him because at 7:3 especially the way the NBA has oddly kind of now the pendulum has swung and you're starting to see more size throughout the league and re. Offensive rebounding becoming at a premium. Is he in your mind, top 15 pick, first round pick? Where. Where do you see that kid going?

[Tim Welsh]

I would say first round for sure. And then of course it goes on. Need. You know, you look at Zach, Edie and some of the guys that have played in the past.

[Matt Jones]

He played well till he got hurt.

[Tim Welsh]

Yeah, exactly. I mean even Luca Garza struggled at times when he first came out. Now he's a good contributor for the Celtics. So the bigs, the bigs have a life still in the NBA. They don't have to all step out and shoot threes and play in the perimeter.

[Matt Jones]

And that seems to also now have trickled down to college basketball. It feels like this is kind of the year of the reassertion of the bigs in the sport. What do you. Do you agree with that and what do you attribute it to? It feels like, I mean you look at these teams with Reed at Connecticut and then the size on Michigan and even Illinois and some of the size they had. This is a. Almost been a re. I don't know, reassertion of the big man in college basketball.

[Tim Welsh]

It is, you know, the one thing coaches have always stayed stabilized pretty much with his balance on the offensive end. And I think you see that in the final Four. You've seen it all season long, possibly with the exception of maybe in Alabama and they recruit that way.

[Matt Jones]

But Nate Oates this week said he's going to have to change his recruiting philosophy. I don't know if you saw that. He said, I got to go get some bigs. Right?

[Tim Welsh]

Exactly. I'm sure the bigs will be able to shoot. But, you know, he's a smart coach and coaches, the great coaches have to adjust. I mean, even look at guys like Tom Izzo. He's adjusted over there. He used to stand up and call every play. It was like a scripted football coach. You know, he'd have everything he commanded every possession on, on his sheet in front of him. But now he coaches differently as well. So you've got to be able to play with the freedom of movement, change things where the game is more offensive and open. So I think coaches have adjusted understanding that. Listen, we can, if we can have an isolation down low with so spread around with great shooters, then you have a problem. You gotta, you gotta pick your poison. Are you going to give up the inside points? Are you going to double down there? And if you do, are you going to be able to cover the three point line? So you have to, you have to adjust defensively. And I think that's what coaches have done offensively as well. They've changed philosophies.

[Matt Jones]

I got a quick question for you here. Somebody is writing me and said, Matt, coincidentally I am in Providence this week for work. Have coach give me the best restaurant. Dumb and dumber, 20 seconds.

[Tim Welsh]

Dumb and Dumber is the. You know I have a fee for that. Of course, we'll have to tell you later. I'll have to think about that one.

[Matt Jones]

But you have that. You have a fee for your restaurant recommendations.

[Tim Welsh]

Yes. Dumb and Dumber is the Rita Felcher though the movie, of course you've seen Dumb and Dumber.

[Tom Crean]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I want the restaurant. Look at. You have to have a fee for Mr. Michelin star here. We'll do more. Matt Meyer and Tom Crean is next. Matt and Myron, the podcast.

[Tim Welsh]

In a contracting business, you're either growing or you're grinding. Success is no longer about hard work alone. It's about using AI to accelerate impact. Service Titan is the only integrated intelligence that seamlessly automates. Automates your entire workflow from first call to final invoice. Born in the trades, built for visionaries, ready to stop operating and start automating service titan AI for the trades.

[Vivgart Advertiser]

I like things my way, my coffee, my schedule and my treatment. So I talked to my doctor about self injecting with the Vivgard Hytrulo pre filled syringe which contains fgartegamide alpha and hyaluronidase qvfc. It's injected under your skin subcutaneously. It means I can inject in my space on my time. It's my treatment my way. Visit vivgartmyway.com that's V Y-V-G-A-R-T myway.com and talk to your doctor about Vivgart Hytrulo brought to you by Argenics.

[Matt Jones]

Make it last all at least till 1:00 clock with Matt Myron on ESPN Radio here presented by Progressive Insurance. He's Tim Welsh, Rhode Island's on I'm Own. I'm Matt Jones, Kentucky's own. Your Tim. You ever spent much time in Kentucky? Like been here? Very often.

[Tim Welsh]

Unfortunately. My last game as a coach at the great Iona College was at Rupp Arena.

[Matt Jones]

Really? In what context? NCAA tournament.

[Tim Welsh]

Yeah, it was a heartbreaking moment. Still wake up with sweats thinking about it. Yeah, it was first, first round 125 game. We were the 12 and we got beat on a buzzer beater. One second, one second. I guess that's not a buzzer beater. Close enough for me by Syracuse. We had the lead and they hit a buzzer beat. They hit a one a shot with one second ago.

[Matt Jones]

So I'm sorry, I mean, you know, we like you here. I'm sure I was pulling for you. I always pull for the twelves against the five, so I might have even I wasn't at that game. But Tom Crean, ESPN's college basketball analyst, joins us as he does during the tournament. Tom, appreciate you coming on. Of the two games yesterday, which result surprised you more?

[Tom Crean]

Michigan, Arizona? I mean Arizona was never really in it and I think the fact that Braden Buries didn't get anything done really in the first half was indicative of that because he's only a freshman, but he had a plus minus in the high major games. He was around a plus 340, which is like incredible for anybody but let alone a freshman. And people wouldn't maybe normally look at a freshman guard as being a key part of that, but he is. And the fact that Arizona didn't have bigs that could shoot the ball, you know, from the outside and stretch Michigan out and then Arizona could never get their confidence offensively and it affected them defensively. So that result, definitely, and the way they never were able to really crack the code inside of that game against Michigan would be the biggest.

[Tim Welsh]

Tom, is Michigan, to your knowledge and watching a lot of tape and watching them during the season, have they ever gone long periods of time playing small ball like they did last night? They kind of had to because of foul trouble and the injury. But how do you think they look? Obviously they look great, but have they done that in the past? They looked really comfortable in their approach when they did go small.

[Tom Crean]

Well, I think they've done some, and there's no doubt about that because they've got such versatility with the bigs, but then they've also got versatility with the backcourt. And Trey McKinney has just been. He's been fantastic since the exhibition season. I mean, going all the way back to when they were playing St. John's and Cincinnati in the exhibition, you could see that he was going to be a really good player. So I think they're comfortable with that. I think if they're going to play Yaxel and obviously there's no way he can be at 100%, I would guess there's going to be more zone. Now. They played zone. They played zone a lot in the second half versus Michigan State. Michigan State, they've done a lot of zone. When they're up big at the end of games and play like the last four minutes like we saw last night, that was not an anomaly. That's something that they do. And if that happens, that's going to be really interesting because from being around UConn last week and being in those games, I mean, they're really, really good in the corners. They're shooting like 45% from three in the right corner, 42% from the left corner. So like, that's where Michigan is really, really vulnerable. If you get it middle and then you get it out into those corners. But at the same time, if you got too much of that now Michigan has that long outlet game, you know, the baseball pass, the mid court outlet game that is just absolutely incredible. And that plays into their hands. So I still think Michigan's got a lot of answers in this game with the small ball, with the zone. But it's going to be a little harder chasing around that UConn offense, no doubt.

[Matt Jones]

Talking to Tom Crane, ESPN college basketball analyst. Tom, you know, if you wanted to talk, if you were to say to people, okay, who are the best coaches in college basketball? They'll give you Names and you know, you'll hear, you'll hear Danny Hurley and you'll hear Tom Izzo and Rick Pitino and John Calperi, et cetera. I don't know how many people would put on that list. Dusty May, but now he's looking at, you know, with the final four of Florida Atlantic going to the championship game at Michigan, I think he could walk down the street of most American cities and they wouldn't even know who he is. What do you think it is that makes him so effective and has led to all this success so quickly?

[Tom Crean]

Well, he gets guys mesh. I mean, whether. Whether it was at Florida Atlantic with the way he built that when they didn't have money, or whether it's now how he's got a ton of money to be able to put guys together, he gets a mess. They do a great job of evaluating who fits. I think they get their teams better. There's no question that they've got an outstanding strength program. I think that shows up in this team the last two years that he's been there because they have definitely improved in that area in a big way with their quickness, with their athleticism. I think he surrounded himself with really good coaches, but I just think he gets the game at a high level. I think he's a very, he was a big, big cog in that Florida program when Mike White was there, you know, as his lead assistant. So Dusty's outstanding and I think it's, it's. I'm not sure that it's just thinking about you might lose him to another university at some point at Michigan. I think it'd be, it's not far fetched to think that he wouldn't be fine and be a really good coach in the NBA.

[Tim Welsh]

Yeah, it's a great point, Tom. And you know, switching gears here to the first game, the ability of Connecticut just to shut down Illinois on the outside and force them into basically a one on one team. Have you seen that this year? And what did you think of that game plan last night and was. Has anyone else ever tried that? Against Illinois, it seemed like they almost looked like they had never faced a pressure like UConn had on them on the perimeter last night.

[Tom Crean]

Well, Keaton Wagner hadn't seen much like that. And that's the way you have to get up into him. I mean, you just have to. Because as a freshman he's so good with, with seeing any level of space, you know, with being able to get his shot off and get around people that. No, I'm not surprised after being around that UConn team last week and seeing them practice, they're extremely physical. Jalen Stewart had played in the first game. And so, like, obviously there's another guy that's got a strong body that can play, but I think, I think the combination of offense being hard to come by and then having to come down and chase all those curls and all those. The second curl, which is where. Or the second cutter, I should say, is where UConn just drills you. They run somebody off of them, boom, here's another guy coming right back off that screen. And it's. You're constantly running into bodies, so you're constantly having a real hard time on the offensive end. But on the defensive end, there's nowhere to get a touch of break because if you're not on the outside hip trailing, you're running square into somebody's chest. And I just think over the cumulative effect of a physical game like that, I'm not sure. People, when you watch UConn's offense, if you don't have an incredible conditioning level, endurance level, and the ability to avoid being screened, put ball pressure on, that's like playing defense. All right? Whether you play defense for 10, 15 or 20 seconds, that's like playing multiple 30 second possessions over the course of time because you just get worn down. And I think that's, that's something that, that puts UConn square in the mix on winning this game because a healthy Yaksell Landenborg was going to have trouble chasing those screens. Now, one that's not healthy will have enormous trouble. Look at last week, Cam Boozer had to chase Alex Caraban and from the beginning of the game, he was running into the screens and that was not the game plan. Trust me. Watching them practice, they wanted him to trail. They wanted him to get on the outside and not get picked. We got picked all night and at the end of the day, he got picked hard on that late screen where Alex Caravan hit the three at the top. So I think the physicality on the offensive end has got a lot to do with why UConn is so good as well.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Tom Crane was, was in Washington D.C. calling the games for west for one. I was there to. Calling the games for nobody, but just wanted to be in the building. And I do have to say, you

[Tom Crean]

had, you had, you had full. You had more access to the courts than I did.

[Matt Jones]

You know, listen, you just make them kick you out. That's my view on everything, Tom. So I'm there, I see Tom, I got to ask you a question, because I'm going to be honest, I get excited. So when I. When that shot went down for UConn, I may have stood up and jumped up. I saw on the CBS broadcast podcast Iron Eagle, he didn't get up in the air much, but even though he was, he kind of stood up. You're calling that game. When he hit. When Braylon Mullins hits that shot, does Tom Creedon stand up a little bit? Do you? Because I know you. You're emotional person. You had to do you. What was your reaction in the moment even though you were on energetic.

[Tom Crean]

Energetic is a better word than emotional. Energetic.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. Energetic. There you go.

[Tom Crean]

Because. Because I'm in. I. I've learned the magic. And I said this to Tim yesterday on his show or yesterday, I've learned the magic of lay out, right? So like when that. When you're the analyst in a radio game or even in TV and one of those deals, layout. And so the first thing that I did was look right at the monitor because we have that monitor right in front of us. And because you want to review what you think you just saw. Right? Okay. Was it. Was it before the clock? It was fantastic. And then you're seeing how everything came alive and you're. You're looking at it saying, man, there's just no way this just happened. But it did happen. So you want to be able to review it so you can add something concrete to it without being emotional, like you said. But no, I didn't jump up at all. And our guy, Scott Graham had an incredible call on that game.

[Matt Jones]

Let me ask you both to it. Two coaches here, Tim Wells, Tom Crane. I like the history of college basketball. Sometimes at Kentucky, we have to like it because some. Our recent last few years hasn't been great. So where we rank in that shot, historically, in NCAA tournament shots, I still have Leitner, probably because it was against us. Number one or two. Maybe Chris Jenkins for Villanova would be one, since it was for the title. I'll start with you, Tim, and then go to Tom. Where we rank in this Braylon Mullins moment? Historic.

[Tim Welsh]

It's in the top five, I would say. But, you know, if they win tomorrow night, I would move it up because obviously that's why Leitner shot went up, because Duke actually went on to win the national championship. Obviously, Chris Jenkins is there. Oh, boy. We forget about good old NC State way back when. Lorenzo Charles, I'll have to put him up there, too, ahead of that one. But Mullins will move up if in fact they win tomorrow night.

[Matt Jones]

So you put those three ahead and then Mullins, is that where you would go?

[Tim Welsh]

I would have to. You caught me off guard a little bit. I'm sure I'm missing one, but Tom probably can help me with that. But yeah, I would say those three first.

[Matt Jones]

Tom, what would you do?

[Tom Crean]

Well, we got a couple of hall of Fame ones there with the NC State and with the Duke one. For the purpose of the new generation, I would put the best almost make of being the Gordon Hayward versus Duke. But we're all not counting almost. So I will go with. In the current realm, obviously the NC State and the Lakener shot are historic. In this current realm, I'm going with number two behind Chris Jenkins. But those two. But the other ones are already in the hall of Fame. They've already got their spot on Mount Rushmore. So I'm going to stay current and rank it number two.

[Matt Jones]

I think that's a good four right there, by the way. I think that's a real. I think that's if that's the final four, the Mount Rushmore of mod of at least, you know, in the TV era of college basketball. I think it's probably those four. Tom Crean, ESPN College Basketball Analyst, thank you very much for the time.

[Tom Crean]

Absolutely. You guys have a great Easter. Thanks.

[Matt Jones]

Appreciate it. We're just talking to two coaches. Well, this weekend we had two coaches jawed at each other as much as you will ever see on a big stage. Gino versus Dawn. I'll get the Tim's take on it. We'll talk about the biggest argument in women's college basketball. That's next here on Matt Myron espn Matt and Myron, the Podcast.

[Found Advertiser]

When was the last time you felt in control of your business?

[Tim Welsh]

Finances?

[Found Advertiser]

Expenses tracked, invoices sent, taxes ready? That's where Found comes in. Found brings your banking, bookkeeping, invoicing and taxes together in one simple app. Manage expenses, invoice clients, send payments and prep for tax time right where you bank Join the hundreds of thousands who have already streamlined their finances with Found. Open a Found account for free at found.com that's f O-U-N-Com found is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services provided by lead bank member fdic.

[Starbucks Advertiser]

In today's world, planning ahead isn't always top of mind. But not having life insurance can leave families facing difficult financial uncertainty during already emotional times. In many cases, loved ones are left managing expenses, debts or long term obligations without a clear plan in place. Life insurance is one of those ways to help provide financial security and support when it's needed most. That's where Ethos comes in. Ethos makes getting life insurance fast and easy, and it's 100% online. You can get a quote in seconds, apply in minutes, and even get same day coverage. There's no medical exam. You just answer a few simple health questions online. And coverage options are flexible, with up to $3 million available and some policies starting at around $30 a month. Ethos has also earned strong customer feedback with a 4.8 out of 5 star rating on Trustpilot based on more than 3,000 reviews. Help protect your family with life insurance through Ethos. Get your instant free', @ethos.com sports that's e t h o s.com sports application. Times and rates may vary.

[Matt Jones]

Sometimes you watch something in the moment when it happens in sports and you go, okay, well, that's going to be something. And when I saw Gino Auriemma's interview at the end of the third quarter of the of the semifinals, I was like, okay, this is going to be something. But little did we know what was going to happen after the game. It's Matt Myron on ESPN Radio. Yesterday, UConn coach Gino Aurumia apologized to the South Carolina staff for his outburst at at Gamecock's coach Dawn Staling in the closing seconds of the national championship game. Or, excuse me, Final Four. And Tim, I will say to you, I thought Gino probably should have apologized and he did. I do find it interesting that in the apology he doesn't mention Dawn Staley's name. He says the staff probably, you know, I might have put her name in it if I was him. But what did you make of the confrontation to begin? Do you think it's a big deal or are you just like, this is what happens?

[Tim Welsh]

Hey, it's happened forever in sports and it will continue to happen. I think just because of the stage it was on and because of the two most prominent coaches in the game are two of them for sure. And listen, it happens. You lose your mind sometimes in a good way. Sometimes you get hot for a lot of different reasons and there's frustration. And listen, if anybody deserves the benefit of the doubt after all these years, I think it's Geno. And he apologized. He did the right thing. And I'm sure, well, okay, I don't

[Matt Jones]

want to push you on this, but I'm going to push you on, yeah, all right. I agree with you that Geno, amazing coach Don Staley as well. They're two best coaches in the game. When you say he deserves a benefit of doubt, though, I feel like Geno has always been a sore loser, like, throughout his history. I think he's a very gracious winner and seems like. I don't. I'm not saying he's not a good guy. I don't know him. He may be the best.

[Tim Welsh]

How would you know? He never loses.

[Matt Jones]

Well, when he loses, though, I feel like we get something like this. Like, I. It doesn't happen a lot, but when I feel like he kind of has been a sore loser the very few times he loses, I mean, isn't. Anyone can be a gracious winner, or at least a lot of people can. But don't you see your character when you lose?

[Tim Welsh]

Well, of course you do. Of course, your character is on display all the time when you're someone like Gino. And, you know, I would say push back and say, wait a minute. Last year was the first national championship they won in I don't know how many years. It was a little bit of a dry spell.

[Matt Jones]

It had been a while.

[Tim Welsh]

Yeah. So I would say, okay.

[Matt Jones]

But he would. But he, to be fair, complained and moaned for years as they were losing.

[Tom Crean]

Yeah.

[Tim Welsh]

I need examples. I need examples.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Tim Welsh]

Well, I mean, that's easy to Jerry

[Matt Jones]

Brewer of the Washington Post or, excuse me, of the New York Times. He wrote an article about this, and he actually cites some examples in his article. But, you know, I mean, if you go through Geno's history, even though I think they got along sort of, he kind of had this with Pat Summitt, and. And he now kind of has it with Don Staley. And don't. Do you think. Don't you think it was poor form for him not to mention her name? I mean, he's the one. She's the one he yelled at. He didn't yell at the staff. He yelled at her.

[Tim Welsh]

Well, when he says South Carolina, I think that obviously includes her. And listen, he did.

[Matt Jones]

But he didn't yell at them. He yelled at her.

[Tim Welsh]

He did, of course, but she is South Carolina. I would say that that was. Would. That would be my response to that. And, you know, only Gino would apologize. And we dissect the apology.

[Matt Jones]

But that's because he's like this. I mean, it's because he's like this. I mean, and he's. And by the way, to be fair, Tim, we do the same thing to Kim Mulkey, and we do the same thing to Don Stale. I mean, those Are two very criticized coaches as well in the. In their history. Gino's. So this is my personal tech. Well, first of all, let's play him with holly row.

[Tim Welsh]

Go.

[Matt Jones]

Let's play what he said at the end of the third quarter.

[Tom Crean]

Well, Coach, a kind of wild turn of events. Sarah Strong's jersey is split right down the middle. I saw you speaking to the refs about it. What message did you try to convey?

[Gino Auriemma]

There were six fouls called that quarter, all of them against us. And they've been beating the out of our guys down there the entire game. I'm not making excuses because we haven't been able to make a shot, but this is ridiculous. Their coach rants and raves on the sideline and calls the referee some names you don't want to hear. And now we get 6 to 0 and I got a kid with a RIP jersey and they go, I didn't see it. Come on, man, this is for the national championship.

[Matt Jones]

I'm not making excuses. And then he makes excuses. We. He. Then. I mean, I would think coaches. It's poor form to call out other coaches and say they're yelling at the refs too much. Am I right about that?

[Tim Welsh]

Hey, anything goes in these moments. I'm telling you. We'll. We'll talk to the coach. Calhoun, you know, I've. You should have heard what you used to say down the other sideline.

[Matt Jones]

But when he say it about other coaches, would he say that coach is yelling too much?

[Tim Welsh]

He might. Yes, absolutely.

[Matt Jones]

Whatever.

[Tim Welsh]

Whatever advantage you can get.

[Matt Jones]

Well, it clearly didn't work because they

[Tim Welsh]

won't like to play for that guy. I'd like to play for Geno. I'd like to play.

[Matt Jones]

But there's a difference though, between he's a good coach. I'd like to play for him, and he screwed up in this instance.

[Tom Crean]

Yeah.

[Tim Welsh]

And he admitted.

[Matt Jones]

I don't understand. He clearly did. I mean, he's whining about no excuses and he's making excuses. I'd like to see what he would do if his players did the same thing. I'm not making any excuses, but. And then a ton of excuses.

[Tim Welsh]

Well, players play. Coaches coach. And best part.

[Matt Jones]

So coaches get to make excuses.

[Tim Welsh]

If he wants to. He's. He's. He's earned that right over the years. And then, come on.

[Matt Jones]

He's earned the right to wine.

[Tim Welsh]

All I heard yesterday was he'll never apologize. And what did he do by the middle of the afternoon?

[Matt Jones]

He apologized and didn't mention the person's name. He Yelled at, which is a classic Geno thing. I mean, Geno's a jerk. He's a very successful jerk, but he's a jerk.

[Tim Welsh]

He's not a jerk. He's a good guy. He's a great coach.

[Gino Auriemma]

He said.

[Matt Jones]

But think about what he did right there, Tim.

[Tim Welsh]

Respect it. Yeah, he's.

[Matt Jones]

He complained that somebody ripped his jersey, his players jersey, and his own player did it.

[Tim Welsh]

You know, I can go back and if we had three hours, I could give you a list of 50 coaches that have done similar things over the years.

[Matt Jones]

There might be 50 jerks.

[Tim Welsh]

I don't know. Is Dusty May. Dusty May complained after the Michigan State game.

[Matt Jones]

And I don't. Dusty. I don't know Dusty's history. But there are people. I mean, I could. There are coaches that are. I just. To me, Geno is way too good to do this. He's way too good to be whining about Jersey.

[Tim Welsh]

He had a moment. He's not.

[Matt Jones]

He had multiple moments. He did it at the end. He then complained to Dawn. He then complained in the press conference. He didn't just have one moment. He did it over and over and over.

[Tim Welsh]

You've had some coaches like that down in Kentucky over the years, by the way, and they.

[Matt Jones]

And you know what? They were jerks. I mean, they could be in the moment.

[Tim Welsh]

So I, I would say no, he's not. He's a good guy. He's a good guy. He's well respected. He's a great coach. And he had a moment. He had a moment.

[Matt Jones]

He had. Well, fair enough. He also had multiple moments during the course of that game. We will talk to Karan Butler about UConn success and more next here on Matt Myron, Matt and Myron the podcast.

[Texas Tourism Announcer]

Calling all sightseers and selfie takers. Welcome to Texas, where a day at our hiking trails will lead to a lifetime of memories and family road trips become family legends where thrill seekers make a splash into spring fed pools and picky eaters will clean their plates. This is your invitation to visit Texas and see it for yourself. Visit traveltexas.com and plan your family's trip today. Let's Texas.