Hour 1: Thrown out like Jazzy Jeff

Summary

Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron

Hour 1: Thrown out like Jazzy Jeff
Date: November 30, 2025
Hosts: Myron Medcalf, Matt Jones
Guest: Herm Edwards
Network: ESPN Radio

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron" dives into the drama and chaos sweeping college football in the wake of coaching controversies and dramatic rivalry games. Central to the discussion is the potential move of Ole Miss head coach Lane Kiffin to LSU and whether he should be allowed to coach Ole Miss in the playoffs under these circumstances. The show also reviews the weekend’s most notable college football and NFL storylines, offering sharp insights and plenty of laughs along the way.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Lane Kiffin Drama: Should He Coach the Playoff?

[04:24–12:03 | 14:56–29:23]

• Overview: The central story is the confusion and controversy around Lane Kiffin. Rumors fly that he may leave Ole Miss for LSU, with complex implications for his current team’s playoff run.

• Matt: Lays out the wild weekend in college football, touching on upsets and coaching rumors.

  • “It was an obscenely absurd day. Myron and I loved it and it's why I like college football.” [03:35]

• Myron: Calls the situation “beautiful chaos,” likening Kiffin’s rumored maneuvering to LeBron James’ 'The Decision'.

  • “Whatever [Lane] does, it's going to cause a big shakeup in college football, man.” [04:24]

• Matt: Explains the logistical and contractual minefield: Ole Miss can’t easily fire Lane without a massive payout; if he leaves, they owe nothing.

• Both hosts agree: letting Lane coach the playoff for Ole Miss while negotiating with or moving to LSU would be ridiculous, unprecedented, and “toxic.”

  • Matt: “You can't let him coach...you know he's already going to be recruiting for LSU. Then what do you do? Does he have to share the office with the new coach?” [08:13]
  • Myron: Delivers the link to the episode’s title: “You remember when DJ Jazzy Jeff would get thrown out of the house on Fresh Prince? That's what I would do to Lane Kiffin, the moment he said LSU.” [05:39]

• The discussion draws out the hypocrisy of “loyalty” in college sports.

  • Myron: “I don't want to hear a coach ever from this point forward say anything about loyalty or the portal when this can happen.” [10:41]

• Reference to Nick Saban firing Lane Kiffin before a championship, highlighting the inconsistency of current commentary and policy.

Notable Quote:

Myron: “You telling me the CEO of Pepsi is getting ready to leave for Coke and he gets to stay for another month with all the internal emails and passwords and the computers? Absolutely not.” [08:53]

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2. College Football Playoff Selection Dilemmas

[12:03–22:16]

• With possible playoff spots coming down to Notre Dame, Miami, or Texas, the hosts weigh head-to-head wins, strength of schedule, and the college football brand effect.
  • Myron: Dismisses Texas for consideration due to poor losses despite “brand name” bias.
    • “Get Texas out of the conversation. Like, we don't have to do this. It's only...We're only talking about this because it's Texas.” [19:36]
  • Matt: Emphasizes Miami’s key win over Notre Dame, complicating the committee’s decisions.
• Analysis of Notre Dame’s weak schedule and Miami’s blemished resume, along with references to historical brand favoritism.

Notable Quote:

Matt: “I just don't understand how Miami and Notre Dame can have two losses. Miami beats them. And you don't put Miami. It doesn't make any sense to me.” [22:02]

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3. The Pavia Family Sideshow

[15:46–18:33]

• The hosts have a lighter segment on Diego Pavia, Heisman hopeful, and the antics of his family members—his brother’s arrest for public intoxication at the Tennessee game, and his mother’s viral appearance.
• They riff on how “you shouldn’t have to think twice” before putting a family on camera, but the Pavia family “might need a spotter from here on out.”
• Discussion underscores the growing sideshow effect around star college players.

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4. Herm Edwards Joins: Coaching Loyalty & Brand Power

[24:15–29:09]

• Herm Edwards is more open than the hosts to letting Lane Kiffin coach—“Why not?”
  • “In college football, think about it this way. Players leave, too.” [24:51]
• The conversation evolves into the hypocrisy of transferring and loyalty at all levels—coaches, players, even athletic directors, all use the “transfer portal” now.
• Herm pivots: Notre Dame will get playoff consideration largely because of its global Catholic fanbase—a nod to the power of brand above merit.

Notable Quote:

Herm Edwards: “It's called the transfer dadgum portal, okay? And it applies to everybody ... When you are Catholic ... Guess who their football team is? The golden domestic. That's what it is.” [26:27]

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5. NFL Thanksgiving & Rivalry Weekend Recap

[40:19–45:43]

• Quickfire assessments of the NFL landscape:
  • Packers: Jordan Love’s performance gives hope to Green Bay.
  • Chiefs: Both hosts agree this is not their year, unlike past seasons. Mahomes lacks support.
  • Bengals: Burrow is back, and Myron sees more upside in their playoff hopes than the Chiefs.
    • “I put more money on Burrow doing it. Than Mahomes doing it.” [44:10]
  • Ravens: Declared done; reflection on Lamar Jackson’s prime and what the future holds.
  • Bears: Nostalgia for the “Super Bowl Shuffle,” paired with cautious optimism about their playoff future.

Memorable Exchange:

Matt: “We are the Bears shuffling crew. Shuffling on down and we're doing it for you.” [44:51]
Myron: “Somebody wrote that.” [45:33]

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• [05:39] Myron: “I would have them escort him out of the building. In the Portal era, Matt, are we kidding? You cannot have him anywhere near your team...”
• [08:53] Myron: “You telling me the CEO of Pepsi is getting ready to leave for Coke and he gets to stay for another month...? Absolutely not.”
• [09:56] Myron: “It's gonna be some antifreeze in your Coffee. That's what's gonna happen.”
• [10:41] Myron: “I don't want to hear a coach ever from this point forward say anything about loyalty or the portal when this can happen.”
• [14:56] Matt: “Most amazing, this is exactly how Myron would throw out Lane Kiffin.”
  Myron (in response): “100% out the front door, man.” [15:00]
• [24:27] Herm Edwards: “It's real simple. It's the world they live in now. The players get to leave, the coaches get to leave, and the ads will leave to go get a better job. It's just go. It's the world we live in.”
• [26:27] Herm Edwards: “It's called the transfer dadgum portal, okay? And it applies to everybody.”
• [40:19] Myron: “If that's the Jordan Love they can get the rest of the way, I think they can be a real contender.”
• [44:10] Myron: “I would put more money on Burrow. I mean, just because he just changes everything about that team.”
• [44:51] Matt: “We are the Bears shuffling crew. Shuffling on down and we're doing it for you.”

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Fun & Fan Engagement

• Bingo Card:
  • Listener Savannah created a bingo card of regular show happenings—a point of pride and amusement for the hosts. [38:31]
• Super Bowl Shuffle Memory:
  • An extended bit recalling Refrigerator Perry’s verse from the iconic 1985 Bears Super Bowl Shuffle. [45:04]

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Conclusion

This episode captures both the high-stakes drama and inherent absurdity of college football’s coaching carousel, with Lane Kiffin’s saga at the center. Through passionate debate, witty exchanges, and thoughtful analysis, Matt and Myron break down what loyalty, brand, and fair play really mean in today’s sports landscape. Entertaining tangents, like the tale of the Pavia family and NFL nostalgia, add comic flair and depth, making this an engaging listen for sports fans of all stripes.

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[Myron]

Yeah, man, I was in Vegas for an event. I saw some cool stuff out there David Copperfield my favorite magic show.

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Wait a minute. You went to David Copperfield?

[Myron]

I went to David. It was a childhood Dream, man. A childhood dream.

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I didn't even know David Copperfield still performed. What was that like?

[Myron]

He made a car. He made a car appear out of thin air. And I know. I was gonna say that's not possible. I'm telling you, I sat there.

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I will say it's not possible. I'm gonna go ahead and say scientifically. That was a trick that did. He didn't. That came up out of the floor.

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He made a dude named Marcus disappear in front of my eyes.

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I was five feet away from, you know, where the car came up. That's where Marcus went down.

[Myron]

Don't. Don't take my magical moment from me. But now, man, it's fun to.

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What is the crowd like for David Copperfield in Vegas now? How many people we talk.

[Myron]

Oh, he's got his own, like, little arena. So he has his own theater.

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Like, how many people were there?

[Myron]

I bet it's 300, 400. And he has his own little arena. You walk in, and he picked this dude named Marcus, put him on a ladder, and Marcus started floating, and then Marcus was on the stage. You're laughing, but I'm dead serious. Marcus start. Marcos was on the ladder. I was five feet away from him. He starts floating, and then he's on the stage. I've never seen anything like it, man.

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Marcus doesn't flow. You understand that? There's nobody named Marcus that can flow. That doesn't happen.

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How so? Are you telling me I didn't see it with my. With my eyes?

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No, I'm. You may have seen it, but there was a trick. Like it wasn't real. You understand? He does. He does not have magic abilities. That doesn't exist.

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He made a UFO appear over our heads.

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A UFO was floating over our heads out of thin air. That's what David Copperfield.

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[Myron]

No, beautiful chaos is what I like to call. I mean, that Auburn Alabama game got interesting at the end, the Cal upset, as you mentioned. But I mean, the primary thing is Lane Kibbet. Like, I don't know that we've seen anything like this since LeBron's the Decision. I mean, a coach who for weeks has basically been saying, I'm going to make a call on whether or not I stay or go. And. And we just don't know what he's going to do. But whatever he does, it's going to cause a big shakeup in college football, man. So I'm interested to see what happens.

[Matt]

So let's start with this. Lane Kiffin is. Was supposed to have a team meeting at 10am like right now to tell his team what he was going to do and then make an announcement. All the players started arriving and then they postponed the meeting until 2pm Reports are, and who knows if these are true, that he's likely headed to lsu, but he's trying to get to be able to coach the team in the playoff. Ole Miss seems to be saying no. He's demanding to coach the team. Now there are other people out there that are saying that. Maybe part of the contention is Lane saying, let me coach or. Or I'll take the players and coaches with me to lsu. First of all, if you're Ole Miss, is there any chance you would let him coach in the playoff?

[Myron]

No. And I go a step further. You remember when DJ Jazzy Jeff will get thrown out of the house on Fresh Prince? That's what I would do to Lane Kiffin, the moment he said lsu, I would say, Lane Kiffin, you're trespassing on this campus. And I would have them escort him out of the building. In the Portal era, Matt, are we kidding? You cannot have him anywhere near your team when he's going to arrival down the street. Like, what are people talking about? Lane Kiffin gets to coach. You go to an SEC team, you are done the moment you say lsu. If I'm in charge of Ole Miss.

[Matt]

So. But you can't. But here's the thing. How you going to enforce it? You can't fire him. He's got it like you. So Lane Kiffin has some leverage here because you cannot fire him. If you fire him, you owe him all this money. Whereas if he leaves, you owe him nothing. Like, you can't fire him. So you kind of just have to wait.

[Myron]

You kind of have to wait. But you also can get your biggest security guards and say, hey, Lane, we gonna do this the easy way or the hard way?

[Matt]

Well, it sounds like some of these. Some of these reports are saying Lane's doing it, though we don't know this is true. But there are. I think there are people reports that Lane saying, if you don't let me coach the team, I'm going to take the coaches and players with you. What would your reaction be if he said that to you?

[Myron]

That's an even escalation of the threat. Now, I'm definitely removing.

[Matt]

Here's.

[Myron]

Here's my thing. If you do that to me, I'm not even letting you meet with your team. I'll take it that far. Like, if you want to say if this is really what's happening behind the scenes, if you're threatening to take coaches and players in the Portal era, I'm not even allowing you to talk to your team. That's how petty I would be, man. This is business. Lane gets to leave for LSU and make $12 million a year, fine. But you don't get to have it your way when you're going to an SEC rival. I legitimately would cut ties with Lane Kiffin if, in fact, he told me he was going to LSU and he said he was going to poach players and coaches. I wouldn't even allow him back on campus to talk to his team.

[Matt]

All right? So it is ludicrous to me, ludicrous that there are people that some of whom did it on our sister television station, trying to argue Ole Miss should let him coach. Come on, now. Come on. Everybody needs to, like, I like you all, but. What are you talking about? You can't let him coach. That game is not till the end of December. You're going to let him spend three. Three weeks here? You know he's already going to be recruiting for lsu. He has to in this era. If he doesn't, he won't have a team next year. Then what do you do if you. If Ole Miss hires a new coach, they have to hire a new coach. Does he have to share the office with Lane? Do they get it?

[Myron]

Half the.

[Matt]

You have got to be kidding me. And the people who got up there heartfelt and said it. I love Nick Saban, but Nick Saban fired Lane Kiffin in this same situation. Lane Kiffin was his OC before the national championship. He took a job at Florida Atlantic, and Nick Saban said, hey, man, go take the job. We'll let somebody else be the OC for the national championship. And he did. The fact that Nick Saban was. Would now come on TV and say, let him coach. How. How does that even happen, Myron?

[Myron]

I. I don't know. I mean, part of it is maybe Lane Kiffin's personality and likability factor. Like, maybe that's a part of. It's irrelevant.

[Matt]

It's irrelevant.

[Myron]

It should be. It should be. But that's what people are reacting to. The portal opens in a month. Lane Kiffin potentially could take every key player and every key coach with him. And maybe that plan is already in the works. If you're Ole Miss, you got to protect your brand with everything you have. And I just don't understand why anyone would think of letting him coach beyond today. You telling me the CEO of Pepsi is getting ready to leave for Coke and he gets to stay for another month with all the internal emails and passwords and the computers? Absolutely not. Nowhere in life does this happen, but we expect it to happen. A situation where Lane Kiffin might be going to an SEC robbery put him out of the building.

[Matt]

It's as if you're married to somebody and your husband is going to live with his new girlfriend next month.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And he's like, but you know what? I want to do one more month of rent with you, honey. Let's just get through the holidays. Now. I'm leaving after the holidays, but let's just do Christmas together. Yeah, my new girlfriend's down the street. By the way, y' all work at the same company, and you're.

[Myron]

You stay that month if you want to. It's gonna be some antifreeze in your Coffee. That's what's gonna happen. You better not stay that month. Get out of the building. You get out of the building.

[Matt]

You got to get out. Here's the thing. You got to lock him out. Like, he cannot come in. You're being nice, letting him meet with the team. You don't even have to do that. So I'm with you. I can't believe this is even a conversation.

[Myron]

But what about the players, Matt? Why isn't no one talking about them? The players are sitting here trying to.

[Matt]

Players, but what?

[Myron]

Well, I don't know them.

[Matt]

I'm sure they're wonderful people. But like Lane clearly. I mean, Lane is clearly fine leaving the players. Why isn't it the ad's responsibility to to think about the players if the coach didn't. He is thinking about the players. They're going to play the game and they're going to let the interim do it.

[Myron]

But here's why I'm bringing up the players. How many times in these situations when a star quarterback goes to another team does some coach get up and say there's no loyalty? They're the most hypocritical is ruining the game. How can people expect us to have any continuity? I don't want to hear a coach ever from this point forward say anything about loyalty or the portal when this can happen. Like at the end of the day, just admit in this climate, people leave, they take better offers. That's what they want to do.

[Matt]

Listen, John Sumrall is likely going to take the job at Florida. And I love John Sumrall. He was here at Kentucky. He is a really nice man. Good luck to him at Florida. But John Sumrall two weeks ago started ranting about people trying to steal two lanes players and he didn't even make it to the end of the season.

[Myron]

Exactly. Stop the loyalty stuff, man. They got to stop.

[Matt]

Stop. Some raw literally came out two weeks ago and goes, you know, we got a season here. How's people look? How are people going at our players? And he is leaving before the season's over when they might make the playoff too. We may have two teams that are in the playoff whose coaches left before the playoff.

[Myron]

Yeah, and John's different for me, though, I'll say. Because to me, if you're going to a completely different conference, that's clearly like an upgrade from the job you have. In a lot of ways that's different for me. Going to an SEC school as the head coach, Ole Miss. There's no world where he should be allowed to coach beyond whatever happens today if he decides to leave.

[Matt]

Yeah. Still, though, to please don't play the don't talk to my players when you are literally talking to another school. Like, you can't. You cannot do that. Should Texas, Miami or Notre Dame make the College Football Playoff, there's a good chance only one of those three will. Which one would you put in? Plus is Diego the Heisman winner and his family gets arrested. That's next here on Matt and Myron on ESPN Radio.

[Myron]

Matt and Myron the Podcast.

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Most amazing, this is exactly how Myron would throw out Lane Kiffin.

[Myron]

100% out the front door, man.

[Matt]

Like, you can't stay. Yeah. What's crazy is Lane Kiffin has found a way. He was the most popular person, like, maybe in the history Ole Miss, least since. At least since Eli. Right? And. And now, like, they're gonna. They're gonna end up hating him at the end of this. They're gonna end up hating like they are. I mean, there are reports. I mean, first of all, it's hard to know what to believe. There are reports from local media that are all over the place. This is a local media field day. Marty Smith still standing in that closet. Knoxford, when they gonna let him go home? He still was well groomed. I gotta say, after 14 hours in that closet.

[Myron]

Yeah, he's in. He's in, man. Like, I don't know if they're gonna let Marty go home. He might have to move there.

[Matt]

Yeah, Marty. This is Marty. Was. Was made for this. Okay, we got a couple other things I want to get to our college football. What do you think about Diego Pavia's brother getting arrested at the Tennessee game yesterday for? Okay, so he got arrested for being up on the handrail. Now, you may remember last week, you were not here, but I talked about his mother would during the Kentucky Vandy game. She was like riding the handrail, and it was very seductive. And I think that we were. That's all I can say. You just have to go look at the video. So I guess Diego's brother gets up on the handrail in Knoxville. The police come and go, hey, man, you can't be up on the handrail. There's a great video. And the brother goes, what do you talk about? The SEC has a rule that you can be on the handrails, which, by the way, is not a rule. That. That would be the weirdest rul. There's no rule everyone can be on the handrails in the sec. So Pavia's brother gets arrested for public intoxication in Knoxville. He literally, as he's being arrested, yells, we run this city. I think he forgot he was in Knoxville and not Nashville. Myron, I love it. Rivalry week. Do you like arresting the Heisman winner's brother?

[Myron]

You know how drunk you got to be for Knoxville police to be like, you too drunk. You know, at a Tennessee game? Like, you know how bad it has to be for the Knoxville police to.

[Matt]

Be like, you know, tennessee game, we gotta go.

[Myron]

And apparently, I think I read something. He had some giant flag or something and he was holding it up. I don't know what was going on. I feel like this family mat is headed towards some sort of Netflix series. Right?

[Matt]

Like, for sure.

[Myron]

The whole. Between the mom, Diego and the brother.

[Matt]

We haven't. You and I haven't talked about the mom. What did you think about the mom? Mom. Last week you weren't here. Like, that was. That was some crazy stuff, wasn't it?

[Myron]

Yeah, it's a lot. I mean, I don't know.

[Matt]

It's.

[Myron]

It's a lot. With my first off, I don't know that there's ever been a mom on camera more during a season than his mom. The only one ever closed on her.

[Matt]

Was when Christian Laetner's mom was in that neck brace. That's the only time they've ever had a mom that was on TV as much as she was. But, like, they also. I noticed this last week when she started, like, riding that rail. They. They. They didn't go to her again after that. Yeah, showed her that last time. And then they were like, all right, that may be enough. We don't know where this is going.

[Myron]

Yeah, Yeah. I don't. It's a lot. You gotta be. You shouldn't have to think twice when you put a camera on a family. But I think now going forward, like, the camera operator's gotta be like, check out. Have somebody in the crowd near the Pavia family before you go to them, because you really don't know what's going on.

[Matt]

What's fun is that we may not have any more Pavias because they're probably not going to make the playoff. They'll have a bowl game somewhere, but that'll be it. Which gets me to the playoff right now. Most of the teams that needed to win yesterday, one. So basically there is going to be one spot left, unless for Notre Dame, Miami or Texas. Now, here are the cases. Miami's losses, two close losses, and then they played Notre Dame and they actually beat Notre Dame. So that's important. Miami actually beat Notre Dame when they played head to head. Notre Dame schedule has been much easier, but they have one fewer Loss. Texas, on the other hand, three losses, but all to teams. But beat three top 10 teams. But they did lose to three and eight Florida. Are you taking two law, are you taking one loss Notre Dame two that didn't play a good schedule. Two lost Miami that beat Notre Dame or three lost Texas that had a much better schedule.

[Myron]

Get Texas out of the conversation. Like, we don't have to do this. It's only.

[Matt]

You don't disagree with Sark that it would be a travesty for college football if they don't make it.

[Myron]

We're only talking about this because it's Texas. We do this with the brand names we did this year. Go at Alabama. If this wasn't Texas, nobody would care. Get them out of the conversation. With that third loss, if you want to be considered, then just don't lose the Florida. Like, it's not that complicated when people say things like that. The end of year, I'm like, you don't just get to erase what we all saw. Get them out of the conversation. We're not going to talk about Texas.

[Matt]

I also know they had. They had to go to overtime to beat Kentucky and Mississippi State just for the race.

[Myron]

Yeah, I mean, like these coaches want us to highlight all of the biggest things that happen and just ignore the rest of the season. And that doesn't happen. You don't just beat your rival. We forget that you lost to Florida. So then to me, it comes down to Miami, Notre Dame. It is hard to overlook Miami defeating Notre Dame head to head. Right. That means something. But we also can ignore Miami losing to an SMU team that just lost to Cal.

[Matt]

Right.

[Myron]

They lost to Louisville. They have blemishes on their resume. Where you go, okay, if you're really a playoff team, Notre Dame doesn't have those bad losses.

[Matt]

But Notre Dame didn't play anybody this year. I mean, if you look at their schedule, they didn't play one good team except Miami. I mean, their schedule, we always think of Notre Dame as having a good schedule, but because of just the way some of their regular rivals. And then they got the bottom half of the, of the ACC schedule. They didn't play anybody good.

[Myron]

They didn't benefit the acc. They played a schedule where their league was really down.

[Matt]

Right, let me read, let me read real quick. They played Stanford, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Navy, Boston College, USC, NC State, Boise State, Arkansas, Purdue. And then they played Miami where they lost and they played A and M where they lost. So they have two losses and both teams they played were, were good. They Lost.

[Myron]

Yeah, but they, they lost to A and M and Miami, correct me if I'm wrong, by four points combined, I believe.

[Matt]

Right, correct.

[Myron]

And. And if, if we want to ignore the USC victory, then we also got to ignore that on Oregon's resume because that's the only thing holding them up. Right? That's the one quality.

[Matt]

They only have one loss, whereas Notre Dame has two.

[Myron]

True, but I'm just saying, I think USC matters more right in this conversation.

[Matt]

I just don't understand. Here's the thing. I don't understand how Miami and Notre Dame can have two losses. Miami beats them. And you don't put Miami. It doesn't make any sense to me.

[Myron]

Like, and then maybe that's the way the committee goes.

[Matt]

I mean, they played each other like we know. They. It's not theoretical. They played each other. So there you go. I don't know how else you can do it. Well, we will keep you updated on Lane, any Pavia related roulette arrests and more. That's next here on Countdown to Kickoff.

[Myron]

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[Matt]

All right, I do want to talk about NFL with our guy Herm Edwards, but we also got to say it's Matt Meyer. Presented by Progressive insurance. Progressive Insurance offers 24. 7 protection when you're at bundle, home, auto and motorcycle. Learn [e-mail] so I do want to talk about it, but, Herb, we got to go with Lane Kiffin for a second. Okay? Would you let Ole Miss. If you're Ole Miss, would you let him coach if he leaves for lsu, would you let him coach the playoff in three weeks?

[Herm Edwards]

Absolutely.

[Matt]

Come on, now. Yes. Why?

[Herm Edwards]

Why not?

[Myron]

The enemy now.

[Matt]

Time out. Time out.

[Herm Edwards]

First of all, in college football, think about it this way. Players leave, too.

[Matt]

Okay?

[Myron]

Okay.

[Matt]

So.

[Herm Edwards]

So wait, but. So some of these players. Yeah, probably gonna play in this game.

[Matt]

And then they gonna leave. I understand, but they're not the coach.

[Herm Edwards]

What's the difference?

[Matt]

Well, y' all told us it was different.

[Myron]

Coaches said it was different when the portal started. Coaches said, hey, different. We're adults. These are kids. It's a different situation.

[Kevin Clark]

No, it ain't.

[Herm Edwards]

It's all money.

[Matt]

They play to get it. Better tell Coach what you said you would do if you were the old Miss. What? Who? What?

[Myron]

So I would say, the minute he said lsu.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Myron]

You know, if he's in a microphone, he says, lsu.

[Herm Edwards]

You cleaned his office.

[Myron]

I would throw him out like Uncle Phil and Fresh Prince of Bel Air did DJ Zazzy. Jeff. I would throw him out.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Myron]

I would. I would say he's trespassing. Now, here, I'll go a step further. If behind the scenes, he is. He is telling people, let me coach or I'll take assistance in players. If that's the language he's using, I would let him back on campus to talk to the team. I would ban him from campus right now.

[Matt]

Yeah. If that's true. If it's true, he's true that he's saying, if you don't let me coach the playoff, I'm gonna take the players and coaches with me. That's pretty low. Wouldn't you agree?

[Herm Edwards]

No, I don't know that if that's true or not. Now, I don't want to get into this conversation because we could be talking.

[Myron]

Out of the wrong side of our.

[Herm Edwards]

Mouths if it's not true, okay? We don't want to do that because you guys got this nice radio show.

[Myron]

And by the way, by the way, something's going on.

[Herm Edwards]

I mean, Myron is always trying to, you know, stir it up. You ain't got to stir it up, Myron, because here's the deal, Myron. Here's the deal.

[Matt]

Here's the deal. The deal, okay?

[Herm Edwards]

It's real simple. It's the world they live in now. The players get to leave, the coaches get to leave, and the ads will leave to go get a better job. It's just go. It's the world we live in. It's called the transfer dadgum portal, okay? And it applies to everybody. And before I got on the show, I heard you guys and you mealy mouthing like everybody else in the country about, well, why Notre Dame in the playoffs? I told you why Notre Dame is in the playoffs. And I'll make it perfectly clear to anyone that's listening to the show. And I know a lot of people listening when you are Catholic, and I happen to be Catholic, and there's a bunch of Catholics all over, not just United States, but the world, Guess who their football team is.

[Matt]

The golden domestic. That's what it is.

[Herm Edwards]

So wherever they go, I mean, wherever they. They go out the country, man, you could send them to. You could send them to Beirut, you can send them anywhere. The Catholics are gonna show up and go watch the football game. That's why Notre Dame is going in the playoffs. And you know what? Good for them.

[Matt]

I ain't paying.

[Herm Edwards]

I don't put my money in that debt. Gun play for nothing. Now.

[Matt]

The brand matter.

[Myron]

The brand matters, right? The brand matters. Yeah, but I want to go back to Lane.

[Matt]

Go ahead.

[Myron]

There's just no way you're going to let a coach coach for another month. With all of the team secrets, potentially recruiting players now he gets to go and play in the SC or in the College Football Playoff.

[Matt]

It's going to be toxic. Commercial hermit's going to be toxic. Like they're going to host a home game in the playoffs. They're going to say, coaching Lane at.

[Myron]

The end, and they're going to put stuff in a golf ball.

[Herm Edwards]

You guys are on the radio. That team understands Coach is leaving. Guess what? There's probably about six or seven of them. They going with coach.

[Matt]

They all know this, all right?

[Herm Edwards]

The players don't get mad at each other.

[Matt]

It's like two months from now, it's like you get to lead Holy NFL.

[Myron]

You, you get to leave. You get to leave for $12 million a year if you want to. You do not get to stay for another month on campus talking to players that you may take with you. Talking to assistants you may take with you. I would ban Lang Kiffin from campus right now. The moment he said lsu, you don't get to have any of the luxuries of being the coach. If you're going to arrival in the sec.

[Herm Edwards]

See, you're late. Cause you know the players, you think he's talking to them. Players already knew he was leaving a month ago.

[Matt]

Man. They. They.

[Herm Edwards]

And the players that are going with.

[Matt]

Him, they gonna go say at her. They're gonna introduce him at this home playoff game. If you bring him back and the crowd's gonna boo at the home playoff game.

[Herm Edwards]

Why would they boo? They should say harad. The man has won 10.

[Matt]

He's won 10 games.

[Herm Edwards]

He's won 10 games the last three seasons. He's got him. He's got him in.

[Matt]

You don't think they're gonna boo him in Mississippi.

[Herm Edwards]

You know, what cares?

[Matt]

Let them move. What they calling for? Let's go to the NFL. Herb. Y', all. Y', all, this is ridiculous. Let's go to the NFL. I want to go to Thursday. I want to go to Thursday and Friday in the games that happen before we talk about. Okay, yeah, Chiefs. Yes.

[Myron]

Lost.

[Matt]

Yes. They're going to probably have to win five in a row to have a shot at the playoffs. Can they do it, yes or no?

[Herm Edwards]

They're not getting in.

[Matt]

They're out. Yeah. Why do you think. Why do you think they have not been able to get over the hump? Because sometimes they still look really good.

[Herm Edwards]

Because the coach said they're not consistent.

[Matt]

But anyway, right now you shouldn't have.

[Myron]

To pay for a hat. Come on, man.

[Matt]

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[Myron]

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[Matt]

If I had a Million dollars, it is Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio. You probably don't know this song. Probably not. A big Bare Naked Ladies fan or am I wrong? Did you listen? I've heard.

[Myron]

I've heard the song.

[Matt]

I didn't know it was Bare Naked Istanbul. Like, have you ever listened to any of their songs?

[Myron]

Istanbul. What?

[Matt]

Yeah, that's what I thought. It's kind of nerdy. It was like Weezer before Weezer.

[Myron]

Why do you think I would know what Weezer before Weezer even means? Like, what? You made these references that just don't. Weezer before Weezer. Who was the first Weezer?

[Matt]

I don't know these guys. Bare Naked Ladies. They're weaser. I have a Special guest on At 12:40, Carolina Mike, who had a song that went viral this week. He's a Carolina Panthers fan fan called If I had $150,000, which just shows he didn't set his sights as high as Bare Naked Ladies, whose song was if I had a Million dollars. But we'll. We'll deal with Carolina Mike a little bit later. I want to give a shout out to our listener Savannah, who created a bingo card for the show. Yeah, 25 things that happen on this show a lot. And I just got to give a shout out. Savannah, that's excellent. Like, it's all things that do happen on this show quite a bit. I'm not gonna read all of them, but I retweeted it admiring. That may be the best fan thing of this show I've ever seen.

[Myron]

Yeah, 99% of them I agree with. It is. It is fun and flattering.

[Matt]

One of them you don't like. One of them doesn't make you happy.

[Myron]

One of them. One of them. I want to throw the whole card away. But the rest of it I think is really good.

[Matt]

The free square is mattresses. Aaron Rodgers is the worst. Which, which is, which is true. I haven't said it yet today, but I'm sure it is coming up at some point. I want to run through these games on Thursday, so shout out to you, Savannah. I want to run through these games that happen on Thursday and Friday. See what your take on them is. First of all, packers lines 3124. You always have strong opinions about the Packers, Vikings and Lions. What'd you think of that result?

[Myron]

I mean if that's the Jordan Love they can get the rest of the way, I think they can be a real contender. Like I think you saw defensively, what can happen. Like you, you trade for Micah Parsons for games like that. Like I don't know what his, his full stat numbers are going to be, but he's a playmaker and he's a guy who in a clutch moment can get a big time stop. And I think that's what he did in that game. When Jordan Love is, is in a rhythm like that, they're gonna be hard to beat I think the rest of the way, especially when you got to go to Lambeau. So I think that was a big win for Green Bay. Now the question is, can you continue to do that if you're Jordan Love, can you continue to play that way and put this team in a position to contend?

[Matt]

It's easier to forget about them. They're 8, 3 and 1. They're only a half game behind the Bears. As far as the lines. There were reports Dan Campbell put a hole in the locker room after the game. He was so angry. By the way, all the underdogs won this week. All of them? All four of them. If you had bet them all it was like 85 to one, you would have hit all of one. Cowboys beat the Chiefs 31 28. Pretty. It was an awesome game. I think it'll end up being the highest rated regular season game ever. It's all, it's, there's a good chance that happens. Are you like Herm? Are you done with the Chiefs?

[Myron]

Yeah, I mean they're not good enough I think to compete with some of the top teams that are on their schedule. Remember last year they won a bunch of close games. They won a bunch of one score games that they could have lost and now I think they're losing those games. Mahomes was great, but I don't know that he has supporting cast to, to help elevate him the way that they have in past years. I just think that's A Kansas City team that is not the juggernaut it once was.

[Matt]

And it was. I'm not giving up on it yet, though. I'm. I'm close to no, because they can. They. If they went out, they'll make the playoffs. And here's what that takes. They got to beat the Texans at home, the Chargers at home at Tennessee, Broncos at home at the Raiders. So they got five games, three of which are tough, but all three of which are at home. So I'm not giving up on them yet. If they go 11 and 6, they'll make it, and I think they can do that. And their hardest games are at home. Their two road games are easy. I think they can make it.

[Myron]

Yeah. I don't know if they've done anything to convince me that they're going to find a way to win five in a row. They're just not as good. And that's okay. They're not as good as they've been.

[Matt]

I agree with you. It's not easy, but it is. It is possible. Bengals, Ravens, burrows back. I mean, the team I am willing to finally give up on, the Ravens, they're. They're done.

[Myron]

Yeah. Like, Lamar's broken. It feels like. Like we're going to look back and we're going to look at Lamar Jackson's last three years. It's three of the best years we've ever seen in NFL history. Two MVPs. Maybe should have had a third. This Ravens team was a 1 seed, hosting Kansas City. We're going to look back and say that was his window to win a Super Bowl. My question with Lamar is going to be going forward, Matt. As he ages, as he loses a step, what kind of quarterback does he become? It just looks like they're in a tough spot as a team. And on the other side, Joe Burrow reminded everybody that when he's healthy, he's one of the three or four best guys in the game.

[Matt]

The Bengals, if they were to win out, because that conference, that division's not great, 9 and 8, might put you in a tie. It might. It might put you in a tie. Now they're going to win out. Can they win out with Joe Burrow as a quarterback? They play at the Bills, Ravens at home. Dolphins, Cardinals, Browns, the next week at the Bills. If they could win that, there's no reason. Myron, they couldn't win the next four.

[Myron]

It's possible. I feel more about that than I feel in my homes doing it. I put. I put more money on Burrow doing it. Than my homes doing it.

[Matt]

I mean, even with that, even with that road Bills game on the schedule.

[Myron]

I would put more money on Burrow. I mean, just because he just changes everything about that team. They dominated the Ravens.

[Matt]

They did. They did. All right, let's go to my Bears. We didn't come here to start no trouble. Are we headed for a Super bowl shuffle on the 40th anniversary of the best team to ever play Myron Metcalf Now Super Bowl?

[Myron]

I'm not. I'm not there. They're playoff team.

[Matt]

Sure.

[Myron]

Can they win the division?

[Matt]

Sure.

[Myron]

It certainly looks like that Ben Johnson appears to be the guy. The right guy for that team and all of the Caleb Williams doubt. I think it's been removed having a guy like Ben Johnson. The marriage has worked. The Bears have a chance to go into the nfc maybe as a contender. I'm not saying super bowl yet.

[Matt]

We are the Bears shuffling crew. Shuffling on down and we're doing it for you. There's an HBO documentary about the making of the super bowl shuffle. Did you know that just came out? I've watched it. It's really good.

[Myron]

I gotta check it out.

[Matt]

It points out Refrigerator Perry's line.

[Myron]

What was his line?

[Matt]

His line was. Hang on. My name is Fridge. I am the rookie. I may be large, but I'm no dumb cookie. You see me run, you see me can't pass. I can't remember what the rest of it is. There's like. But I do remember. My name is Fridge. I am the rookie. I may be large, but I'm no dumb cookie. No dumb cookie.

[Myron]

Somebody wrote that.

[Matt]

And he read it. And he was good at it too. He would have read it. Beautiful tea, Matt Myron. Hour two, coming up on ESPN Radio.

[Myron]

Matt and Myron the pod.

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