Hour 1: Watching Them Lose... Inside!

Summary

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Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron

ESPN Radio

Hour 1: “Watching Them Lose... Inside!” (November 9, 2025)

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Main Theme

This episode dives into the most compelling college football and NFL storylines of the weekend, mixing sharp humor, personal anecdotes, and analysis. With Myron Medcalf on assignment, Matt Jones is joined by guest co-host Aaron Goldhammer. The two riff on the chaos of college football playoff races, the quirks of working in sports media, NFL QB controversies, dome stadium debates, and more, all mixed with their signature banter and quick wit.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Co-Host Banter & Sports Media Life

[00:31–05:24]

• Myron’s absence: Matt Jones explains that Myron is working the sidelines for ESPN, replaced today by Aaron Goldhammer (“the Hammer”).
• Inside baseball on ESPN Radio personalities: Matt lists who he enjoys working with, describing a rare breed of “radio nerds” (himself & Aaron) as the easiest teammates.
  • Memorable aside: former NFL players are “nice, but take themselves too seriously. Unless they were a bad football player.” (Matt, 03:34)
• Shared Louisville work history: Matt recounts a “random” moment where he, Harry Douglas, and Katie George all worked at the same law firm in Louisville before any had media careers.

Quote:

“If you’re stuck at work this morning at a law firm or at an accountant’s office or something... You too could be hosting ESPN radio one day.”
— Aaron Goldhammer ([05:09])

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2. College Football: Playoff Hopefuls, Shocks, and Catches

[05:24–12:21]

• Louisville’s play-off derailment: Louisville is upset by Cal, echoing last year’s shock by Stanford. Matt jokes that it was “derailed by a bunch of woke mafia from Cal, Berkeley.” ([05:24])
  • The odds are now slim for the ACC to send two teams to the playoff.
• Geographical conference absurdity: Aaron marvels at “California is in the Atlantic Coast Conference,” making geography lessons for kids “impossible.” ([05:57])
• The greatest college football catch? Discussion of a spectacular, acrobatic Indiana catch, with talk about NFL vs. college rules (one foot vs. two feet in bounds).
  • Matt calls the catch “unbelievable... the ball and body are out of bounds, but it’s like his brain had the wherewithal to levitate one toe in some kind of woo, boo woo that kept it up in the air.” ([08:14])
  • Aaron: “Every reflex, natural reflex of the human body went against in order to pull the play off.” ([09:13])
  • They debate the Heisman race implications for Mendoza (Indiana QB).
• Other notes: Texas A&M and Texas Tech get signature wins, positioning themselves for playoff consideration. Missouri and BYU are dismissed as “posers.”

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3. NFL Headlines & Quarterback Drama

[13:28–22:54]

• Kyler Murray’s Fade in Arizona:
  • Matt and Aaron speculate whether Kyler has taken his last snap for the Cardinals, with Jacoby Brissett starting instead.
  • Aaron riffs on his baseball talent: “I think he should have just gone and played baseball. They said he was a better baseball player anyway.” ([14:03])
  • Matt: “I think that’s revisionist history on the baseball part... there was a year we were talking about Kyler for MVP.” ([15:22])
  • Both agree injuries and playing style, rooted in size, have hampered Murray.
• Could Murray or similar QBs resurrect their careers elsewhere?
  • Aaron wonders if Murray could do what Daniel Jones or Baker Mayfield have done: “Because there are these QBs... who go somewhere else and done well.” ([16:52])
  • Matt doubts it, saying, “I think I’ve seen enough Kyler Murray. Even at his peak... I know what I’m going to see.” ([17:18])
• Washington Commanders & Stadium Naming Rights:
  • Talk of President Trump reportedly wanting the new stadium named after him. Aaron: “I would tell him that we’re going to name the stadium after him all day long, whether I actually do it...” ([19:34])
  • Matt: “Leave aside the president. I don’t think you start down the path of, let’s name [stadiums] for politicians who are in office while we’re doing it.” ([20:25])

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4. NFL Midseason Powder Keg: Interview with Herm Edwards

[22:54–35:29]

• Wide-open playoff races: Matt marvels at unfamiliar teams atop divisions—“This is the most wide open that I’ve ever felt the NFL.” ([23:21])
  • Herm agrees: “If you’ve got five wins or more, you’re in it, got a nine-game season... you could win the division in certain divisions.” ([24:04])
• Are ‘unknown’ QBs/teams legit contenders?
  • Herm says playoff experience matters: “Some of these teams that are hardened, that have playoff experience, that have quarterbacks that have played in playoffs and big games, that’s where the advantage will be.” ([25:04])
• Bengals-Bears classic & young QB evaluations:
  • Matt raves about attending Bengals-Bears, especially Bear’s QB Caleb Williams: “He had some moments... where he got away from people and made throws where it was like, whoa.” ([26:56])
  • Herm: “He’s got 14 sacks this year. That’s it. He gets rid of the ball... He looks like a whole different guy.” ([26:30])
• Bengals’ defensive woes: Herm: “It’s tough. He has no defense... the time Joe Flacco scores a Touchdown, goes over, gets a drink, massages his calves... He’s gotta go again, Joe, we gotta get back out there.” ([27:57])
• Trading for a franchise QB vs. drafting:
  • Herm warns that draft capital only works if you trust the selectors: “It’s easy to say you got all this draft capital, but then who’s picking the players?” ([29:18])
• On aging/struggling QBs:
  • Geno Smith, Kyler Murray, Tua? Herm: “Geno’s a backup... Kyler’s small. He’s 5-10. That’s why he has to leave the pocket... He’s not going to be the guy going forward.”
  • On Tua: “You know, I don’t know what he is. In the right offense, obviously... but he doesn’t have a strong arm. He plays in Miami, where half his games are always going to be in the sunshine.” ([30:48])
• Quarterback hand size and dome stadium debates:
  • Herm makes a passionate, old-school case: “When they look at quarterbacks, they measure their hand size... If [he] can’t throw the ball in the wind, you’re in trouble.” ([32:00])
  • Herm & Matt lament that northern teams (Minnesota, Detroit, Cleveland) are playing inside domes. “That’s why I don’t understand why Minnesota and Detroit are such wimps and play inside. Why don’t they use the advantage?” (Matt, [32:13])

Memorable moments:

• Herm’s story about freezing at Vikings games: “It was just. Man, it was cold. And Ahmad Rashad was the receiver... he’d come out, hands in his pockets, which was basically telling me, OK, we gotta go to work, it’s gonna be a pass.” ([33:16])
• Humorous riff on Cleveland’s Super Bowl prospects and dome justification:
  • “Y’ all don’t really think—Aaron, you don’t think you’re getting a super... People do, right?” — Matt ([34:52])
  • Herm: “That’s what they think. If I build a dome, we get one.” ([34:55])

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5. Stadiums, Bougie-domes, and Local Controversy

[37:32–39:31]

• Aaron details Cleveland’s new dome stadium, funded by public dollars. Discusses massively complicating traffic, how fans are “sick of sitting outside and watching a terrible football team... So now they want to sit inside and watch a terrible football team.” ([38:46])
• Matt prods Aaron about Cleveland “becoming bougie.”

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6. Big NFL Game of the Day & Patriots Skepticism

[39:31–44:13]

• Patriots and Bucs face off; Patriots benefit from “the luckiest schedule you could get.”
• Is New England actually good? Both agree they’re improved, will make the playoffs, but are not true Super Bowl contenders yet.
  • “You could go from three wins to the playoffs but you can’t go from three wins to the Super Bowl.” — Aaron ([42:16])
• AFC rookie QBs re-ranked: Drake May’s stock rising.
• Discussion of other rookie QBs (Bo Nix, Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams) and the importance of good coaching/system adjustments.

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7. NFL in Germany & Food Tangents

[44:13–45:04]

• Matt and Aaron riff on their previous international trips, German food (“all there is everywhere is Wienerschnitzel, it’s like if you could only eat at Wendy’s, that’s the whole country”) ([44:29]), and how it compares (unfavorably) to British fare.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Time | |------------------------------------------------|---------------| | ESPN Radio hosting banter & nerds vs. jocks | 00:31–05:24 | | Louisville’s loss, ACC playoff implications | 05:24–06:42 | | “Greatest college football catch” discussion | 07:40–10:27 | | Texas A&M/Texas Tech & “posers” | 11:15–12:21 | | Kyler Murray’s Arizona future | 13:28–17:18 | | Naming rights for Commanders’ new stadium | 19:34–20:25 | | Herm Edwards joins: playoff chaos & QB evals | 22:54–35:29 | | Dome stadium debates (hand size, climate) | 32:00–34:41 | | Cleveland’s dome stadium plans | 37:32–39:31 | | Patriots skepticism & rookie QB rankings | 39:31–44:13 | | Germany game & international banter | 44:13–45:04 |

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Notable Quotes

• “You are like me, a nerd. And it makes it easier to do.”
  — Matt Jones ([03:18])

• “Louisville... derailed by a bunch of woke mafia from Cal, from California, Cal, Berkeley.”
  — Matt Jones ([05:24])

• “Everything is context. It’s not, I’m sure, like… probably the greatest catch is in some D3 game that I’ve never seen.”
  — Matt Jones ([08:14])

• “Every reflex, natural reflex of the human body went against in order to be able to pull the play off.”
  — Aaron Goldhammer ([09:13])

• “I think he should have just gone and played baseball. They said he was a better baseball player anyway.”
  — Aaron, on Kyler Murray ([14:03])

• “If you want him to have experience, you gotta play. That’s the only way you can do it.”
  — Herm Edwards on young QBs ([25:04])

• “When they look at quarterbacks, when they come… work them out, they measure their hand size.”
  — Herm Edwards ([32:00])

• “That’s why I don’t understand why Minnesota and Detroit are such wimps and play inside. Why don’t they use the advantage?”
  — Matt Jones ([32:13])

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, quick-witted, with deep sports insight.
• Frequent use of self-deprecation, humor, and light roasting (especially regarding sports pain, regional quirks, or football nerdom).
• Herm Edwards’ old-school coach stories deliver both wisdom and nostalgia.

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This episode is a quintessential Matt & Myron hour: sports sharp talk, banter that fans feel part of, and genuine perspective from insider guests—all filtered through the chaos and comedy inherent to the current football landscape.

Transcript

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Is Matt and Myron the podcast. That's right. Two guys in America who do their show out of a cave. It's Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio brought to you by Progressive Insurance. You can give a shout on the Dr. Pepper call in line 888 say ESPN. That's 888-729-3776. Presented by Dr. Pepper. It's not college football season without the delicious taste of an ice cold deck to a Dr. Pepper. College football. It's a Pepper thing. What are we thinking about? I'm trying to think, but nothing happens. Nothing happens. Time to find out. This is off the top. Flash off the top with Matt and Myron. It is off the top, but I can't go off the top without introducing my co host. My Metcalf is out being big time Myron. That means running the sidelines for the radio where they give him the fancy suit and the nice microphone. He'll be at Ravens Minnesota. So Aaron Goldhammer from Cleveland the Hammer, he does Saturday mornings here on espn, is joining me. Aaron, how are you?

[C]

I'm doing great. Good morning, Matt. I, I want to know where am I in the pecking order now? Okay, when Myron is out, where do I stand? Am I third?

[B]

Well, here's a little secret.

[C]

Am I fourth? What, what is the pecking order?

[B]

I don't know if you know this, but I have a reputation sometimes at ESPN as being a person that doesn't like working with, with most people. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if you've heard that.

[C]

Why do you think I'm taking my Sunday morning doing this? It's because you have that reputation and my name keeps coming up as somebody that you are not, that you like working with me, that you are willing to slum it with me for three hours on a Sunday morning.

[B]

So let me give you quickly and this is not an exclusive list but the. The people that I will find out I'm working with and not, like, roll my eyes. Okay, hold on.

[C]

Let's go the other way. I want the people.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. You can't do that. I'm not. I'm not high enough on the totem pole that I can say that I could take any of those. Well, we'll do that.

[C]

We'll do that list, but it'll be on a podcast somewhere at some point.

[B]

So I'll work with, like, Ian Fitzsimmons. I enjoy. I like to be called coach for a couple hours. It makes me feel important. Amber Wilson. I like Harry Douglas, although I don't get to work with him a lot. He was once my intern at a law firm, and I think it's just kind of cool, sort of that that relationship has now turned to the radio. But none of those guys want to work weekends, so for weekends, it's really you. And then I found a good rapport with David Dennis Jr. We've always kind of had a good rapport. But you are. You're probably number one because you. You're good at radio. I don't feel like I have to carry it. And then some people, you give them a hard time and they get a. They get their feelings hurt. Especially former former players. They're nice people, but, like, they all. You can't get. You can't say anything to them because they're like, I played football and you're a nerd. Yes, we agree. Whereas you. You are like me, a nerd. And it makes it easier to do.

[C]

That's right. I am the furthest thing from a former football player that you can find it. Yeah.

[B]

The former football players, they all take themselves way too seriously. Unless they were a bad football player. The guys that were bad football players, there's a reason McAfee so talented. He was a punter, and he knew that he wasn't good.

[C]

Gary is a unique. He had a good season in the NFL.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Got paid by two teams. But he doesn't take himself too seriously.

[B]

And there's also the dynamic of. He used to get. He used to get the mail at our law firm. And so I'm able to. That's. I mean, here's.

[C]

Let me.

[B]

Let me give you something crazy for a second. There was a time working at the same law firm in Louisville. One law firm. Me, Harry Douglas and Katie George. Wow. Is that not crazy?

[C]

You guys could do a college football game on ESPN plus the three same time. Could you do the thing I play. Harry's the analyst.

[B]

Yeah. Katie.

[C]

Katie would be slumming it with you guys on the sidelines now. She's with like Joe Tessitore, like.

[B]

But there was a time the three of us all knew each other, right, in Louisville and none of us at the time were in media.

[C]

Huh?

[B]

Isn't that like, think about the randomness of that three people in Louisville who just happen to know each other. One's a lawyer, one's playing football and like part timing is an intern at a, at a, at a, you know, and the other is like the senior volleyball player. And we all knew each other and then all three of us end up at espn. Is that not random as it could.

[C]

Be if you're stuck at work this morning at a law firm or at an accountant's office or something.

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

You too could be hosting ESPN radio one day.

[B]

Yes. You just have to be in a major market like Louisville, Kentucky.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

And it could happen to you. Louisville, one of the big stories yesterday in college football, because they got upset. Harry's going to be sad. They were, they were kind of sitting pretty with a path to the College Football Playoff and instead it was derailed by a bunch of woke mafia from Cal, from California, Cal, Berkeley. Drake flies all the way across the country to Louisville and. And beats him at overtime. For the second straight year, a former Pack 12 school knocks Louisville out of the College Football playoff. It was Stanford last year. It was Cal this year. Bad loss for Jeff Braum and Harry.

[C]

Douglas's former team, no doubt. And one of my first takeaways from watching this game was that I'm constantly reminded when I watch it that California, okay, is in the Atlantic Coast. It's great conference, which is something that I cannot if I'm trying to teach my seven year old geography. Good luck figuring that out. But listen, good win for Cal. Somehow they always end up with a quarterback that can make plays. What is that? That there's like something in the water in Berkeley and a bad loss for Louisville. It would have been amazing. But so, so now here's my question. Nobody from the ACC wants the spot in the college football. Virginia. Who, who's coming out of the.

[B]

I think the biggest story is the ACC is now they're basically locked into having one spot. Whoever wins the conference is going to get in the playoff, but they're not getting a wild card. So now live again, they're good. Well, they have two conference losses, so they're going to need a lot of teams to lose. But smu Virginia, Georgia Tech. I think there's one other team that have. Has one loss. You're just going to see who comes through. All that gets to the bank. Whoever wins the ICC championship game, there's your ACC team in the playoff. They're not going to get another one. And so that's. That, that's bad for that conference. It just means more for the SEC in the Big Ten. The other, you know, the other kind of story was the Indiana win. I'm going to go ahead and say that that catch, who, who made the catch, it was to Amar Cooper Jr. Is that the greatest college football catch of all time at the end of.

[C]

The game, when you consider the stakes? Because I think if they lose that game and then lose eventually to Ohio State in the Big Ten championship game, I think they fall down and they're flirting with whether they're going to be in the playoff or not. I think the importance of the catch, the time of game that the catch was made. Do you consider that when you're talking about a great catch, or is it just the sheer. Because I'll tell you the catch and I forget his name that the kid from Miami made back over his head. No, no, no, no.

[B]

Look, it's. It's like saying the greatest shot of all time. I mean, everything is context. It's not, I'm sure, like probably the greatest catch is in some D3 game that I've never seen. I mean, the greatest. But if you're talking about context, I. The thing that makes that catch so amazing to me is the ball and the body are out of bounds. Okay? So the only part of his being that's inbounds is a toe, but it's not even the first toe would have been out of bounds. And so it was like his brain had the wherewithal to not put the first toe down first because it was out of bounds to put the back toe down first and to levitate the first toe in some kind of woo, boo woo. That kept it up in the air. Yeah, that was unbelievable. Aaron. I. I was at my bar getting ready to start my pregame show, and there was a collective gift gasp in the bar. Like they just couldn't believe it happened.

[C]

You know, it was almost like every reflex, natural reflex of the human body went against in order to be able to pull the play off. The. The other thing I'll mention about that play that I was thinking about is I've always been a believer that the NFL and college football ought to align on whether it's One foot or two feet that you have to get in bounds in order for a catch to be considered a catch. And I've always said that. I mean, the NFL, you're all about offense anyway. If you get one foot and you have control of the bounds, ball inbounds, then I think you should be in bounds. And so to me, I mean, again, if that play happens in the NFL, it's obviously incomplete because he doesn't have both feet in. I also thought underrated in the whole sequence of the play. It was an incredible throw. Falling away, getting pressured, getting random dude from Penn State breathing down your neck, right in your face. For Fernando Mendoza to deliver that ball in only a place where Cooper could catch it, I think is Mendoza's Heisman moment. Now, Julian Sayan might have one also at some point in the last three, four games of the season, but right now, because he has the moment, I would make Mendoza the favorite to win the heism.

[B]

I like that call. I think I actually like the difference in the NBA or in the NFL and college football, it's like, okay, you now you got to graduate to doing that with two feet. But in college football, that's just an awesome play. And then I'd also note the two Texas schools, but the other Texas schools, right? Not Texas, but A and M and Texas Tech, you know, A and M always a little brother. And then Texas Tech, you really have to, like, not be happy with your life to even go there. The combination of seeing those two schools get big victories, but both kind of have a path to the playoff. Whereas Texas is having this disappointing, Arch Manning inspired year. Those were big wins for both of those teams yesterday. They both got their big test in games that they could have lost and they both handled them very well.

[C]

I agree. I think that A and M now is graduated beyond. They're going to go 9 and 3. They're going to go 9 and 3. I think they have to be taken seriously as a national team.

[B]

But they've. But they've never done it yet. So let's still. There's still a loss out. They're going to make the playoff now, I think, unless they just completely collapse.

[C]

I also think yesterday we eliminated a couple of posers. Okay, Missouri, I know they got their quarterback hurt, but that's a team that belongs in a sponsored bowl game on about December, what, 27th? Something like that. And I would say the same thing about byu. They were undefeated, but if you looked.

[B]

At their resume, still make the playoff, though. But. But Louisville is out. I think they and then we'll see about, we'll see about the rest of them. There were. There's also some other stuff, but we're not gonna get to it because there's so much excitement and energy today. Gold Hammer is here. Herm Edwards is coming. It is. There's an NFL game. Colts lead the falcons in Germany 13 to 7. We'll get to all that next here on Matt Myron on ESPN Radio.

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Matt and Myron the podcast. It is Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio. Let's talk, let's talk about some headlines here from the world of the NFL before we get to the games today, Kyler Murray, a lot of reports this week that maybe future's doubtful. They play today against the Seahawks, but that maybe future future is in limbo. They put him on the ir. Jacoby Brissette will start. Have we seen Aaron the last game that Kyler Murray will run around with the ball like hanging above his head trying not to scramble and lose it in Arizona.

[C]

He can be entertaining when he's healthy and he can play well in September. But Matt, I'm starting to wonder whether Kyler Murray just picked the wrong sport. He was a top 10 pick of the Oakland at the time A's in major league Baseball and I think he should have just gone and played baseball. They said he was a better baseball player anyway. Now he's made a bunch of money as a quarterback in the NFL. But yeah, I think at the point that you are picking a guy to play who is in a commercial as a backup Quarterback Jacobe Brissette is the stereotypical progressive insurance backup quarterback.

[B]

He is a great backup quarterback though. If you were to have a backup quarterback when you watch Jacobe Brissette, I.

[C]

Mean he's totally a backup quarterback and.

[B]

I know, but he's the best backup quarterback. It's like him.

[C]

Jimmy g. So Trey McBride and Marvin Harrison woke up from the dead the minute that Jacobe Brissette got in there. I think that probably does spell the end of Kyler Murray. The other thing Emmett told me, Emmett golden, who I work with on Saturday mornings, that the new Call of Duty is coming out next week, the Black Ops game. And that's going to set Kyler back again like another six or eight months with his career. So yeah, I think this is the last time he plays in Arizona. But if I were Kyler Murray, I'd be considering a career change. I think about baseball.

[B]

I think that's revisionist history on the baseball part because he, he did have. There was a moment, I mean there was a year we were talking about Kyler Murray for MVP for a little while during the season. I mean he's had some moments, but.

[C]

With his size it was never going to be.

[B]

The two things that have, have plagued him are A, injuries. I mean he just can't stay healthy, which of course is related to the size, and B, some of that is style of play, which again, maybe because of his size, he has to get out of the pocket so much, which I think also leads to the chance to get injured. I think he was hurt by the fact that if it was going to work for Kyler Murray, it needed to work with clip Cliff Kingsbury. I mean he was a quarterback who needed a coach who would see that in him and he did and it just didn't work. And that's the way it goes. I don't think he's playing another down for, for Air Arizona. I think if I'm Arizona, I've done this now for what, six, seven years. It's been, eh. Didn't really work when he was healthy. They actually were pretty good at times, but it's just not worth it. And I think I go ahead and make a move and look in another direction, but I, but, but he's had a long run. I mean, I don't know how long people expect franchises to keep quarterbacks. Kyra, Murray's not gonna win you super bowl, probably not even going to win you a playoff game. So I, if that's the case, how long are you supposed to keep going with him you might as well keep. You can have the record you have this year with Jacoby Brissette. So you might as well just go ahead and do that.

[C]

So do you think that he is a guy that will have a rejuvenation, a Daniel Jones, a Sam Dar? Because there are these other QBs who are top 10 picks who flamed out in one place, gone somewhere else and done well.

[B]

Because those guys. Well, first of all Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold, but especially Daniel Jones. People forget he had a year where he was great.

[C]

Yeah. So. But as you said, so did Kyler Murray.

[B]

He did, but he also that coach is not there anymore and that system is not a normal NFL system. I mean, I could see why if after next year's draft and after the quarterback musical chairs have been played, some team is well left without a guy. You might give him a shot. But no, I don't think he has. I think I've seen enough of Kyler Murray. I had not seen as much maybe of Sam Darnold or Daniel Jones in a non functional place. I hadn't seen him somewhere that was functional. I feel like I've seen enough Kyler Murray. I kind of know what he is even at his peak. I know what I'm. I'm going to see a guy who's holding onto the ball with one hand running around his helmet doesn't seem to fit and he's scrambling for his life and then he'll be. He'll throw a crazy one in the fourth quarter. I just, I know that I.

[C]

He's entertaining, which is, you know, and. And again, I also think the weather somehow plays into this. The fact that he failed in Arizona, I don't know what the place is that's the better fit for him than that, you know, because, for example, Baker, his Heisman compadre from Oklahoma, I don't think the AFC north was the right division for Baker Mayfield to be successful playing the Falcons and the Panthers and going to Tampa like that. That more is going to fit Baker Mayfield's game.

[B]

He needed the Baker's a better comparison for him. If you wanted to make the case for Kyler, I think you're better off making the Baker case.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Because I do think they're a lot more alike. But I still don't know if I believe it. Now, the Lions play the Commanders today and there's at least according to noted political reporter Pat McAfee, there it is, the case that Donald Trump is supposed to be at the game at the Commander's Game today, the President, he would like the new Commander Stadium to be named after him, which is interesting because he's always kind of a man of modesty and does not particularly want attention and. Or praise. So would you take a chance to give him what he normally declines? His name in the spotlight? Would you. Would you do that if you were Washington onto the new stadium?

[C]

So if I would own the Commanders, and I knew that it was guaranteeing me a lot of funding to build the new stadium, I would tell him that we're going to name the stadium after him all day long, whether I'm actually going to do it. I mean, he's what, 70 something? Like, I don't know how much longer he's going to be around. And once he's gone, like, can I just call it, you know?

[B]

Well, you could do one of these things where you say you're going to build it and then. But you, like, get construction delays the. To where it's not completed until the end of 20, like, until 2029. And then you're like, oh, yeah, right, sorry.

[C]

And then you take the Stamium naming rights to it. Can we name it?

[B]

Yeah. And then you go, nah. Yeah, we're gonna go ahead and call it the. The, you know, Dunkin Donut Center. Like, I think that's. I think that's what you're gonna do.

[C]

What about a parking lot? Like, can you start negotiating a parking lot?

[B]

I give him a parking lot. I give him the tr. I'd give him the Trump parking lot. I just don't think. Leave aside. Leave aside the president. I don't think you start down the path of, let's name it for politicians who are in office while we're doing it. Like, when they did rfk, he had just died. Okay, so that was, like, considered, like, an honor. I don't think you just go, okay, I don't. We need to think. We need to make. Every time we get a new stadium, the politician in office gets the. The name. I don't think that's the way to go. Herm Edwards may disagree, and I need to talk to him. That's next.

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Matt and Myron the Podcast Colts are up on the Falcons 13 to 7 in the second quarter. That game is in Berlin on what looks to be a misty cloudy afternoon in in Germany. But what's never cloudy is the happiness I get when our man Herm Edwards joins us. Herm the I I feel like as we go into week, what is this.

[A]

10 of the season, nine game season left?

[B]

I feel like this is the most wide open that I've ever felt. The NFL, I mean I'm sitting here, look, I'm going to read you the teams there at the top of the division of the top of the divisions, New England, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis and Denver in the afc. Notice I did not mention Buffalo, Baltimore or Kansas City. Then I go to the NFC and it's Philadelphia, Green Bay, Tampa Bay and Seattle. Notice I did not mention the Rams. I did not mention Detroit. So I look at it and say right there, I've given you 12 teams, almost none of which would shock me to play in the super bowl even if not win it. Is this the most open you can remember it being yes.

[A]

And I think if you're a team, if you know and you're a fan of a team and you've got what, five wins or more, you're in it, got a nine game season. Just do the math. You figure out if you get nine game season, if I got five wins or more, if I can win five out of nine, that's almost half. I'm in the playoffs, might win the division in certain divisions. Right. And that's what the NFL wants. I mean, they got it. I mean they've done a remarkable job of really the way the NFL handles their self and the way they do business. Obviously you guys know this more than me because you guys keep up with it better than I do. They're going to go to 18 games. I mean that's, that's on, on the docket. And so I just think it's, it's fun right now because you're right, there's only, there's only nine games left and there's a bunch of teams that are still in it. No one's kind of run away with the division.

[C]

Herm, do you take Bo Nix's team and Daniel Jones, his team as seriously as you take Patrick Mahomes his team and Josh Allen's team?

[A]

No, because their playoff, they have playoff experience. And that's the one thing, you know, I've always, I remember when I was coaching, you know, coaches said, well coach, you know, he's a young guy. You don't have any experience. I said, well, you know why? Because we don't plan. If you want him to have experience, you got to play. That's the only way you can do it. You got to put him out there and we got to live with the mistakes he's going to make. But he's going to be better off for it. We'll be better off for it toward the end of the season, middle of the season. But if you never played a guy and keep saying, well, you don't have no playing time, that's our fault. If he's the best player, he's go put him out there. You're going to live with all that. And I think it's the same way in the playoffs. Some of these teams that are, that are hardened, that have playoff experience, that have quarterbacks that have played in playoffs and big games, that's where the advantage will be, will be looked at when this thing starts.

[B]

Yeah, you wouldn't want to see a six or seven seated Kansas City Chiefs. I don't think if you're in the playoffs. Let me ask you. I attended after our show last week. I was at Bengals and Bears in Cincinnati.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Maybe one of the best games I've. Maybe the best game I've ever attended in my life. Just in terms of wildness, it looked like the Bears won, then the Bengals. It looked like a major comeback, and then the Bears win in the end. I want to go through both teams and ask you how you would handle. First of all, the Bears. Caleb Williams last few weeks has looked like what they had hoped he would look like. Are you starting to think Caleb Williams is a potential top level NFL quarterback going forward?

[A]

Yeah, I do. I felt that when he came out, he had a lot of talent. You know, he came out with Jaden. We played against him in college and he was the guy in the first year or so. I mean, when you watched him play, it was a deer in headlights if he held onto the ball, too. The guy took 68 sacks, guys last year. 68 of them more than anybody in the league. He's got 14 sacks right now. That's it. He gets rid of the ball. It's just a whole. He looks like a whole different guy. He looks like the guy they drafted, right? He's like.

[B]

And you see the moments where, like, he's. He. He had some moments against the Bengals where he got away from people and made throws where it was like, whoa. He can do that, you know?

[A]

And listen to this. If I would have told you right now, the fourth ranked offense in the National Football League is the Chicago Bears. Fourth total offense. They're fourth in the league. The Chicago. I'm saying it. The Chicago Bears, they're fourth. It's like, you know, they're. And guess what? They are in running, they're. They're second in the league in rushing the football, 10th in the league in passing the ball.

[B]

Swift's been great. Let me go to the other side of that game now. That's two weeks in a row the Bengals have lost in heartbreaking fashion at home to the jets and the Bears. Is the Zach Taylor thing like, is it. Is there any way you can salvage that as a coach?

[A]

It's tough. It's tough. He has no defense because Flaco's putting up great. And Flaco's what, 40 years old and the guy has to score 30 so they can even have a chance because he scored.

[B]

He scored over 32 weeks in a row.

[A]

Defense is last. They're dead last. He can't stop anybody. The time. The time Joe Flacco scores a Touchdown goes over, gets a drink of water. They massage his calves. Cause he's tired and massaging his arm.

[B]

They say, go.

[A]

You got to go again, Joe. We got to go back out there because the defense gave him another touchdown. I mean, it's just like already. Now stop it already. You know, it's just. It is what it is, Coach.

[C]

When you see Cincinnati still putting up big offensive numbers without Joe Burrow and having no defense whatsoever, there was this debate on get up this week about taking all those jets draft picks and using them to trade for Joe Burrow. And then Cincinnati could say, look, we're going to keep Higgins and Chase and we're going to have a good offense and we're going to use the draft picks to build a good. Is that a crazy idea to you or is that something. If you're Cincinnati and you're seeing the way things are going without Burrow, you have to consider.

[A]

I mean, yeah, you know, here, and we talked about this before I came on, you know, having all these draft picks is great, but then you got to pick them. And you better make sure you. Because remember, a lot of these players before most of these players in the league, they've been drafted. I mean, you drafted these guys. So it is like, well, we didn't draft yo. No, you drafted them and now you want to get rid of them because they're no good. And I'm like, wait a minute, you drafted them so now you're going to trust the organization. I'll give you five more.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Really.

[A]

I'm going to give you five more. Right. The same monopoly. I mean, you draft first rounders, they got to be good. They don't have to be great players. They got to be good, solid football players. Right? That you know, hey, this Guy's got a 10 year career. We can play with him. And then every once while you're going to get a star. But it's easy to say you got all this draft capital, but then who's picking the players?

[B]

I'm going to ask you about a couple of guys and that, at least to me, look like it might be time not just to move on from where they are, but I start to wonder, are they NFL starting quarterbacks anymore? Kyler Murray to a Geno Smith? Yeah, those three guys have all had tough years. Do you think if you were a franchise starting next year, you would want any of those three guys to be your main quarterback?

[A]

No, Geno Smith's a backup. That's what he is. And he can provide good. He's good in the locker room. He's good with the players. He can get you through stretches. Kyler Murray is just guys, he's small. He's 5 10. He 510 guys. That's why he has to lead the pocket so much. You can't see. It's not his fault. He didn't draft. He didn't draft himself in the first round. They did. I mean, ain't his fault. What are you gonna say? No, I don't want to go in the first round? Yeah. I think it's funny. I had him in the Under Armour game. We come out of high school, and when he, when he, you know, he said, that's. That's quarterback. Yeah. And he was good. He ran around, you know, all that stuff. I said, but, you know, then he gets drafted, and I'm like, okay, and. But he struggled there. I mean, he's not going to be the guy going forward.

[B]

So what about Tua? What would you do with him?

[A]

Tua? You know, I don't know what he is, I think in the right offense, obviously, you know, And I think that offense kind of showed life after the big debacle. You know, they came out that next week and they were lighting it up again. But it's like anything when they catch up with the offense, you know, he doesn't have a strong arm. He plays in Miami, where half his games are always going to be in the sunshine, which helps him. Right. Can he play in the cold? You know, I was talking about this morning Sports Center. I said, you know, when you're an outdoor team, especially one of those northern teams, as you play outside, I say the first thing you realize about a quarterback, the thing you better make sure he has, he's got big hands and he can throw the ball in the wind. Because if he can't do that, you're in trouble. You're gonna be in big trouble. And you know, you know that when you're facing quarterbacks, too. When you know he can't throw the ball in the wind, you go, okay, I'm gonna make sure in the fourth quarter he gonna be going into the wind. So he gotta have big hands. Cause he better hold on the ball. Cause when it gets raining and it's sweat, you know, and the ball handles and it's snowing, it's just, hey, man, that guy got small hands. They're in trouble. They're just in trouble.

[B]

Interesting. Small hands. Small hands.

[A]

Because you got to be able to grip the ball.

[B]

That's the thing. When the ball gives you Herm to Herm does hand stuff.

[A]

You know what the first thing they do when they, when they look at quarterbacks, when they come? Work them out. They measure their hand size. Because remember, when it's cold and you're outside, you got to grip the ball, man. And if you can't really grip it.

[B]

That's why I don't understand why Minnesota and Detroit are such wimps and play inside. Why don't they use the advantage?

[A]

That's what I said. They should have never that put them outside. Chicago Bears are outside. The Green Bay packers are outside. The Pittsburgh Steelers are outside. All Buffalo outside, man. You don't want to build no dome.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

In Cleveland where I am. It's crazy. We're building.

[B]

That's crazy. It's just as it is. And I know why you have a dome. They're even going to be here.

[A]

But I know why. Cuz they use it more than football. Cuz football is only there, what, eight games, ten games.

[B]

But who.

[A]

But, but, but they want to use it for concerts and everything else. But at the end of the day, man, if you're one of them northern teams. Yeah, man, you didn't want to go to the. I remember when the Minnesota Vikings, you used to have to go in that place. And I can remember like yesterday I went in there with Fran Tarkin and quarterback, and I'm like, oh my God. And it was so. And both teams stood on the same sideline. We're on the same sideline.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

At the 50 yard line. They stood to the left, we stood to the right. And I can remember.

[B]

It was the field uphill.

[A]

It was just. Man, it was cold. And Ahmad Rashad was the receiver. He'd come out. Yeah, Bobby Moore, who's Bobby Moore? Out of Oregon, was a running back. He changed the name of Mod Rashad, number 28.

[B]

And I know him.

[A]

I would say he put his hands in his pockets and when he put his hands in the pockets, he was basically telling me, okay, we got to go to work. It's gonna be a pass. Oh my God.

[B]

His wife is good. In the Gilded Age.

[A]

I tell you what you talking about a good player. Ahmad Rashad was a good player. Boy, great player.

[C]

Caught a legendary Hail Mary Herm against the Browns one time that. You know, people, people where I am, Matt, have still you have to give.

[B]

Up shame that the Browns are going into a dome. I mean, how you gonna look Bone Thugs and Harmony in the eye?

[A]

You know what's even worse though? I'm gonna tell you what's worse than that. And I get why they did it. Think about the Chargers, the Raiders and the Rams. They're on the West Coast.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they playing a dome.

[B]

I know when it's beautiful. Like it. Like they could be out there and it would be all night. And they go sitting there indoors like a bunch of wimps.

[A]

I mean, Fort Knox. Play outside, you know, it's the inside man.

[C]

But they're not those places. Coach. Aren't football stadiums. They're, you know.

[A]

I know.

[C]

They're ages. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Right. For Taylor Swift to come in. I agree to come and perform.

[B]

And now Cleveland's like that, too. Look at you, bougie Cleveland out there acting like you're a Taylor Swift home.

[C]

And we think we're going to get a Super Bowl. Nobody wants a Super Bowl. And the only way the Browns should go to the super bowl. But there no one wants to come. Super Bowl.

[A]

I live.

[B]

Y' all don't really think. Aaron, you don't think you're getting a super. People do, right?

[A]

They do. That's what they think. If I build a double, get one.

[B]

Who thinks that Detroit.

[A]

Didn't Detroit get a Super Bowl?

[C]

Minneapolis got a Super Bowl.

[B]

Detroit. Detroit has more going for it. Get it.

[A]

But it's just, you know, they do that so they can host the Super Bowl. It could be warm. The fans could come. It's an event, man. The super bowl is an event. But that's.

[B]

Well, I can tell you, if there is a Super Bowl, Cleveland won't be in it. But that's embarrassing. I didn't know. You are building a dome. That's embarrassing her. Edwards, I know you got like 14 more hits on Good Morning America. It's going to be good night, America before your day is done. But thank you very much.

[C]

Appreciate it.

[A]

Thank you, guys.

[B]

There you go. We're going to get you ready for more games in the NFL. Plus a little later on. Did you know that your guy Matt Jones broke the biggest baseball scoop of the week? Oh, yeah. That happened. That's next here on Matt and Meyer.

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Matt and Myron the podcast. Are we in, like, boy band? Our boy band era here? I'm Matt Myron on ESPN Radio, presented by Progressive Insurance. You probably did this for Aaron Goldhammer and his new fancy State Dome in Cleveland. I'm really disappointed in you personally, Aaron. Like, you're the only person I know from Cleveland. I was trying to think, do I know anyone from Cleveland?

[C]

Well, you know, I'm a golden.

[B]

You know, but I don't really know him. Like, I know who he is, but if I saw him, I'd be. I don't know, like, we, I, I know you. I think I, I think we've met once, haven't we? Like on the side of the road person.

[C]

Yeah, I'm trying to, you know, because I spent some time in Kentucky. My wife is from Louisville. But the.

[B]

No, I was in Cleveland when Kentucky played in the.

[C]

Oh, that's right. In the, in the ncaa.

[B]

In the NCAA tournament.

[C]

Final. Yep.

[B]

You were doing a show at like a McDonald's for, for McNuggets, if I remember.

[C]

Sounds exactly right. The dome thing here. You've stumbled upon the most controversial topic in. In Cleveland sports. We've given them $600 million in public funding for it. It's going to be fancy, so the price of tickets is going to skyrocket. But, you know, people are sick of sitting outside and watching a terrible football team.

[B]

So now they want to sit inside.

[C]

And watch a terrible football team. That's right.

[B]

Okay, so people are for it then. You're saying the people of Cleveland want bougie ness.

[C]

So the current stadium getting in and out of it is a disaster. It's like Soldier Field in Chicago. It's on a lake, so the best way to get there is to be a fish or. Or be in a boat, you know, because you. There's a whole side of the stadium that you can't enter. So it creates a traffic nightmare with streets closing and it's hard to get in and out of. And so I think people are excited about that. And I think anytime you want to, you're a billionaire and you want to put a billion dollars into something in Cleveland, people are going to get behind it and it will be state of the art. But I think from a home field advantage standpoint, I don't know that it's going to help you much. I think you need to build a billionaire.

[B]

Is it Haslam? Is that who it is?

[C]

That's right.

[B]

Well, that's nice. The biggest game today, by the way. Falcons have taken the lead on the Colts, 14:13. Germany is. Is going crazy. The Wiener schnitzel is flowing as the Colts are one point behind right here before halftime. Biggest game today, Patriots and Bucks. Both teams lead their division. It's the Tom Brady Bowl. The winner gets the legacy of the greatest quarterback of all time. Bucky Irving, Chris Godwin and Hasan Redick will all not play today. You know, The Patriots are 7 and 2 and their schedule remains, like, very easy until the end of the year. They have. I'm not sure in the NFL in 2025, you can get an easier schedule than the Patriots have this season. They got the NFC south, the AFC South, Shannon, AFC East. I mean, they got the luckiest draw you could get.

[C]

Dolphins, Titans.

[B]

Yes, they play them all.

[C]

It's.

[B]

I mean, they get Jets, Dolphins, Titans, Texans, you know, and then Falcons, Panthers, like they get all those teams. So here's my question for you. I think they're going to have a record at the end of the year where they might be like 14 and four or 14 and there's three or four. I mean, they're going to have like a crazy record. Do you think they're good? Like like in terms of are they a contender for something that matters or are they just the destructor of bad teams?

[C]

I think they could win a playoff game and I am a believer that Drake May is going to be a really good quarterback for them. I mean boy, they had three or four brutal years, Matt between Tom Brady and Drake May where they really had to put their head down and, and now here they are.

[A]

They had three years.

[B]

We have a quarterback you should come to. Come to Chicago. We have 40.

[C]

Yeah. Come to Cleveland. We've had 60. Yeah, I, I think that, that they can win a playoff game but I don't think they have good enough skill position players really and defense to be a player to beat Mahomes or Allen in a playoff game. I know they beat Josh Allen a regular season game in Buffalo. I don't think that happens in the playoffs. I think they could get to a divisional weekend but I don't think they're a player for a Super bowl spot.

[B]

I don't either. I'm not even sure how I would rank. I mean they did beat the Bills on the road so they have that. And I think if you win today against Tampa Bay at some point haters and I wouldn't consider myself a haters but a hater but I would consider myself a skeptic. Have to go. Okay, well they're two artist games. We're on the road against teams that are, you know, continue and they want them both and so like at some point you have to give them credit for that. I agree. I just. Teams don't jump like that in a year very often unless you have somebody special. And maybe Drake May is that you.

[C]

Could go from three wins to the playoffs but you can't go from three wins to the Super Bowl. And my, and I know Mike V.

[B]

It just doesn't happen.

[C]

Probably going to be coach of the year. It's great hire. Was an obvious hire but a great hire by the Patriots to move on from Gerard Mayo. And I think you know them and the Bills be a great rivalry I think for the next five or six years with May and Josh Allen there. I think all those games you could put on Sunday and Monday Night Football right now because everybody's going to want to watch them.

[B]

If you were to rank that those quarterbacks from that class, it's. It's really flipped even in the last few weeks. Right. Like I mean, I mean you go, you go into this season it's Probably Jaden Daniels 1. Bo Nicks 2 Drake May 3. Caleb Williams 4. You know, maybe then you didn't know about JJ.

[C]

You didn't know, right. Yeah.

[B]

Now if you did it today, I think you'd make a case that Drake May is one.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, maybe name number two or Daniels you have to see and Nick's is maybe four. And then you don't. I mean you don't like it. That that sort of ranking is kind of shipped shifting game to game.

[C]

Well just it's a, it's a lesson in. Because a guy had a good couple games or rookie year doesn't mean that. That the whole story. Cuz coach Herm took us through it. I mean Caleb Williams getting Ben Johnson is totally revolutionized the way they play on offense and what he's even asked to do. You know, last year they needed him to come in as the number one pick and be the hero and now they're asking him to hand off a lot and it's working out for Chicago.

[B]

And then it's an easier. It's an easier task, I would say.

[C]

And then Bo Nicks everybody was super high on. They said he's the next Drew Brees. I don't know. Now they're winning with 10 points on Thursday Night Football. I, I'm, I'm a Bronco fan and I don't think the Broncos can go to the super bowl with Bo Nix. They have a nice regular season record. But at some point you're going to be asked to score 20 points, let alone 30.

[B]

Yeah, I'm not a Bo Nicks believer. Have you ever been to Germany with this game? You ever. You ever been over there?

[C]

I have not. I was in London earlier this year with the Browns when they played. But I have never been to Germany and I, I, you did. You said the Wienerschnitzel was flowing. I think the beer in Germany would flow easier than the Wienerschnitzel.

[B]

But all, all there's everywhere you go they just have Wiener schnitzel. You're like, can I eat something that's not just a big fried slab of no pork? And they're like, no, we don't have anything else. Like it's as. I mean just imagine you could only eat at Wendy's. That's the whole country. Wow. They're just like, it's just sound half bad.

[C]

That's better than London.

[B]

Well, London's bad too, but I'm just not a German food guy. Matt and Myron the podcast.

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