Hour 1: What Shoes Should I Wear?

Summary

Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron

Episode: "Hour 1: What Shoes Should I Wear?"
Date: January 25, 2026
Hosts: Matt Jones & Myron Medcalf (ESPN Radio)

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Episode Overview

This episode covers a lively mix of current sports talk—primarily college football and NFL playoffs—mixed with spirited banter about sneaker choices for Myron’s upcoming TV gig. Matt and Myron debate sports narratives (historic upsets, playoff excitement levels, coaching hires), share fashion dilemmas, and poke fun at each other’s style and preferences, with listener call-ins adding to the fun.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Weather Forecast Debate

[00:32-03:25]

• Matt teases about his local Louisville, KY weather forecast being way off, sparking a sidebar on how difficult and thankless the job of a meteorologist can be.
• Myron defends weather people: “It’s probably a harder job than people realize...” [01:32]
• Matt is unconvinced, ribbing the idea that “it can go a lot of ways” isn’t really a prediction.
• Quote:
  • Myron: “It’s more like golf... a great golfer can have a terrible 18 holes. Right. Because the game is so challenging. And I think weather’s the same way.” [02:35]

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2. College Football’s Changing Landscape: Indiana’s Miracle Season

[03:32-05:23]

• Indiana Hoosiers win the national championship—unprecedented for such a historically unsuccessful program.
• Myron calls it “the greatest sports story of my lifetime,” credits them as “one of the better teams of recent years,” but stops short of calling them historically greatest (not enough NFL-level talent, era more balanced).
• Matt is borderline: feels Indiana deserves to be in the conversation based on dominance and competition level.

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3. NFL Playoffs & Missing Excitement

[05:23-11:44]

• Matt confesses he finds this championship Sunday underwhelming—lacking the usual buzz and star power.
• Myron disagrees, sees value in surprise storylines and under-the-radar QBs like Jared Stidham.
• Myron: “The idea of someone that no one knows becoming a hero like this... is valuable.” [06:48]
• Matt notes there’s no widespread emotional connection to these new faces (“I don’t even know what he looks like, to be honest...”).
• The banter veers into callbacks: Matt accuses Myron of being one of Sam Darnold’s harshest critics; Myron deflects playfully.
• Myron’s take on Matthew Stafford’s potential legacy: “If Matthew Stafford gets his team to a second Super Bowl... in a lot of people’s eyes would be above Aaron Rodgers as the best quarterback of this current era...” [09:12]
• Discussion highlights the difference between pure football stories and what makes for captivating TV.

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4. Myron’s TV Opportunity & The Great Sneaker Debate

[13:52-24:21; 23:39-24:56]

• Myron is now appearing in ESPN’s digital college basketball pre-GameDay show (Saturdays, before 11:00 am ET GameDay).
• His big concern? What shoes to wear on TV.
• Myron claims “the kids are wearing Pumas,” prompted by a 19-year-old Foot Locker clerk.
• Matt (a self-proclaimed sneakerhead) is horrified, warning Myron to avoid making his debut in “Scoot Henderson” Pumas. Suggests classics: “Why don’t we go with something for your first one a little more basic? Maybe... a pair of Jordans.” [16:37]
• Callers and texts overwhelmingly support Matt:
  • Dom (Phoenix): “You need to wear dress shoes and have some class, man. This new look of, like, suits and sneakers is ugly.” [19:26]
  • Richard (Toronto): Recommends classic sneakers like “Reebok questions from Allen Iverson. Air Pennies.” [20:11]
  • Jeffrey (Durham, NC): Suggests a hybrid: “You can blend both the sneaker and the dress shoe look by going with a classy pair of Cole Haans.” [21:10]
• Myron defends his instincts, valuing comfort and individuality:
  • “Comfort is the thing.” [20:00]
  • “If you told me a hundred people are doing it this way... I’m gonna go the other way just to go against the grain.” [40:17]

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5. Steelers Hire Mike McCarthy: Myron Unleashed

[24:56-32:58]

• Steelers introduce Mike McCarthy as head coach—a move met with shock by Myron, who has been a longtime critic.
• Myron unloads: “I guess a cardboard box was unavailable... I don’t know any reason that you land on Mike McCarthy. You don’t.” [26:01]
• He argues McCarthy’s been carried by elite QBs & failed to maximize talent post-Super Bowl.
• Matt pushes back, pointing out McCarthy’s rare feat: potentially coaching all three of NFL’s iconic franchises (Packers, Cowboys, Steelers).
• Myron’s Doc Rivers analogy: “He’s the Doc Rivers of the NFL.” [29:40]
• “I would have hired Flores for sure… I would not have hired Mike McCarthy.” [30:48]
• Matt gets Myron on record: If the Steelers make the AFC Championship, Myron must publicly apologize to McCarthy. [31:21]

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6. Sneaker Segment Redux: The Listeners Chime In

[33:28-36:10]

• Callers urge Myron to avoid Pumas and either make a statement with “exclusive” sneakers (e.g., Jordan Doernbechers) or stick to something foundational and classic.
• Matt offers to loan his own “clean” sneakers, but Myron prefers making his own path—even if it means risking a debut in “Scoots.”
• Ongoing teasing about sneakerhead culture vs. regular people.

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7. College Basketball: The Bettyako Case

[38:40-46:21]

• Myron and Matt discuss Charles Bediako’s quick return from the G League to Alabama hoops through a legal loophole; Myron calls it “unique” and potentially precedent-setting for college sports.
• Entertaining roleplay/mockery of how an Alabama courtroom might sound—Matt highlights the home-field advantage and southern legal culture.
• Broader implications: If a preliminary injunction is granted, it could upend college eligibility rules.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “To me, that game was a stamp of how different the landscape is now. And if you think you have a powerhouse program, those days are over.”
  — Myron (re: Indiana Hoosiers’ title) [04:08]

• “It’s amazing if he makes them better. But he’s not going to do that. I mean, that’s the thing.”
  — Myron (on Mike McCarthy & the Steelers) [29:06]

• “He’s the Doc Rivers of the NFL. Right. Like, we’re going to be talking about what he did...a long time ago.”
  — Myron [29:40]

• “You don’t land on Mike McCarthy. You’ve given up. And then Mike McCarthy’s just there in the lobby hanging out, hoping to talk somebody and say, fine, you’re the head coach...”
  — Myron [26:01]

• “The kids, the young people...I asked a guy at the store the other day...”
  — Myron, justifying his Puma pick [16:08]

• “Tell Myron to step up his game.”
  — Listener text, 772-774-5254 [23:43]

• “I was the kid who—if you told me a hundred people are doing it this way, out of a hundred, I’m gonna go the other way just to go against the grain.”
  — Myron (on why people shouldn’t push him not to wear Pumas) [40:17]

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Call-in/Listener Highlights

• [19:25, 21:10, 24:43, 33:28] Multiple callers and texts voice opinions on sneaker etiquette for TV—overwhelmingly pro-traditional/classic and anti-Puma.
• Listeners joke that, despite Myron’s “cool” image, Matt is the real fashion maven.

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Fun & Banter

• Myron and Matt’s playful roast of each other’s footwear and fashion sense.
• Side conversation on southern courtroom culture, with a hilarious legal story from Matt’s past (“Robinson on contracts...I wrote that book!”) [44:03].

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment Description | |----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:32 | Weather forecast debate; merit of meteorologists | | 03:32 | College football: Indiana’s title and its meaning | | 05:23 | NFL championship Sunday: Missing excitement?! | | 13:52 | Myron’s upcoming TV debut and first mention of sneaker worries | | 16:01 | The great “what shoes should I wear” debate begins | | 19:25 | First caller says: “No Pumas. Wear dress shoes.” | | 20:07 | Second caller: “Wear something classic—Air Pennies!” | | 21:10 | Third caller: “Try Cole Haans, blend classy and sporty.” | | 24:43 | Delivered text: “Tell Myron to step up his game” | | 26:01 | Steelers hire Mike McCarthy; Myron’s diatribe | | 29:40 | “Doc Rivers of the NFL” analogy | | 31:21 | Matt gets Myron’s on-air apology promise in writing | | 33:28 | More sneaker segment; listener ideas for statement shoes | | 38:40 | College Basketball: Charles Bediako’s case & legal culture riff | | 44:03 | Matt’s “Robinson on contracts” courtroom story | | 46:21 | Tease for discussion on Giannis and the Bucks |

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Tone & Language

The episode maintains a classic morning sports banter tone: witty, irreverent, and conversational. The back-and-forth is quick, full of gentle mockery and inside jokes, interspersed with smart takes on the sports news. Affectionate ribbing and lively listener interaction keep the mood light and engaging.

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For New Listeners

This episode is quintessential “Matt and Myron”—where sports news, culture, and personality meet. If you missed it, you got the biggest headlines (historic championship, NFL shakeup, and college hoops intrigue) and the smaller moments that make this show entertaining: jokes about weather people, fashion dilemmas, and the community of sneakerheads vs. “normal people.” The wisdom: when preparing for TV—choose your shoes carefully (but maybe don’t ask the Foot Locker kid).

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Transcript

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[Matt Jones]

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[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I have to make room for it every week, but I do.

[Matt Jones]

It's kind of you, if you think about it, that, that you're. That. That you do that. Byron is in Minneapolis. I am in Louisville, Kentucky. They predicted we would get 14 to 18 inches of snow here. That has not happened. Uh, the weather folks have been a little off at the projections here in Kentucky. Do you, you. You're pretty pro weather guy though, right? Weather person? Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, I think it's probably a harder job than people realize, you know, to, to be able to understand whether or not the storms are going to materialize. And then there's the atmospheric pressures, like when I watch the Weather Channel.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, you're big on the pressures.

[Myron Metcalf]

It can, it can change everything. So it's hard to know.

[Matt Jones]

But isn't that the whole point? I mean, I can get up and say it can change everything. Like, if the thing is just to say, you know what, it could be a lot of scenarios, then is it. The point is to know. Right.

[Myron Metcalf]

You know what? See, the problem is we'll complain about anything. Like, if people try to give you a range of what might happen, people aren't happy. And if they just don't say anything and all of a sudden you wake up and there's 15 inches of snow, people won't be happy either.

[Matt Jones]

But isn't that the job? I mean, they're not forced by the military to be weather people. They've chosen to do it. So, I mean, you know, I feel like they are, you know, they've got to be good at it or why are we doing it?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. I mean, again, I think it depends on what good is.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Myron Metcalf]

Right. I think I think it's more like golf. Right. Like a great golfer can have a terrible 18 hoes. Right. Because the game is so challenging. And I think weather's the same way.

[Matt Jones]

See, you think weather's a little bit like golf. You get. You have a bad day. You have a bad day. Sometimes.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. I mean, sometimes you think it's 18 inches. Okay. It doesn't show up, but it doesn't change you as a. As a weatherman. Same way it doesn't change the golfer, being a great golfer.

[Matt Jones]

Interesting. Well, Myron takes up for weather people and you could be a part of the Dr. Pepper calling line. 888 say SPN. ESPN Nation is presented by Dr. Pepper. It's not college football season without the delicious taste of an Ice cold Dr. Pepper. College football. It's a Pepper thing. What are we thinking about? Trying to think. But nothing happens. Nothing happens.

[Myron Metcalf]

Time to find out. This is off the top.

[Host/Interviewer]

Flash.

[Myron Metcalf]

Off the top with Matt and Myron.

[Matt Jones]

Probably need to change that because college football is over. We had a national champion this week, the Indiana Hoosiers. Kurt Signetti and company. Get it. Yeah. Then Francisco Mendoza goes to LinkedIn to decide to announce his entry into the NFL draft. We talked about this. I just wanted to run over this before we get to the coaches. We talked about this before the show last week. Would Indiana go down as one of the great teams if they won? They didn't blow them out. It was a competitive game. Where would you put them in terms of how you think they rank historically?

[Myron Metcalf]

Greatest sports story of my lifetime. And certainly one of the better teams of recent years. I think certainly they proved that. You got to give them full credit. Undefeated, which does not happen very often in college football. And again, for Indiana to do that's losing his program in the sport coming into the season. I don't think we've ever seen anything like it. And I do think they. To me, that game was a stamp of how different the landscape is now. And if you think you have a powerhouse program, those days are over. Because in India, Indiana can do this. A team that didn't have a history before this.

[Matt Jones]

But you don't put them as one of the historically great teams.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, because again, when you, when you say historically great, to me, then you're talking about teams that had, you know, 10, 11, 12, 13 legit NFL stars. Right. Guys who just were at a different level. And that's not against Indiana. It's nothing against Indiana. I think in that era, we'll actually view those teams maybe in a Different level because that was the era where you could stack teams. So there were a lot of really, really good teams at the top that you had to get through. This landscape is a lot more balanced.

[Matt Jones]

I. I'm not going to put them as the best, but I think they're in the conversation. Basically, one loss in two years with the number one overall quarterback leading your. Leading your team, and then you beat the programs that they beat and you go undefeated in a real power conference. As much as I don't want to give my neighbors to the north credit, if you've listened this show, you know, I think Indiana is the most boring state in the United States. I still think you have to in this scenario. So I would. I would do it now. The Broncos are playing today against the Patriots and the Seahawks against the Rams. It is championship Sunday. I have found my excitement, Myron, a little bit muted, and I kind of feel like America feels the same way. I've heard very little buzz about these games. I don't want to say people don't care. I'm sure they're going to be watching them because it's the championship games and a lot of America is snowed in right now. But it doesn't seem to have the buzz a championship Sunday would normally have. Do you agree with that?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, but I don't understand it. I mean, I think Indiana, Miami got one of the biggest ratings we've ever seen.

[Matt Jones]

Right.

[Myron Metcalf]

And now you're telling me Jared Stidham could potentially lead his team to the Super Bowl. I feel like casual fans should be even more invested.

[Matt Jones]

But how many casual fans? Do you know who Jared Stum is?

[Myron Metcalf]

But I think that's the point. I think the idea of someone that no one knows becoming a hero like this is even Nick Foles. Like, people are saying Nick Foles. Nick Foles played at the end of the regular season. Nick Foles had more experience. Nick Foles came into the playoffs and just got rolling. This is a dude who has not played in a long time having a chance to lead his team to the Super Bowl.

[Matt Jones]

Are you excited about it? Like, if I told you, if I told you four weeks ago, I'll give you Josh Allen versus Lamar. Are you telling me you would be as excited, excited about Jared Stidham versus Drake? May.

[Myron Metcalf]

But see, I don't see sports that way. To me, I want the teams there that deserve it. Right. And if you told me Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson to reach this point, yeah, I'd be excited about that. But I don't think star power for the sake of star power is, is, is valuable. Like, you have a great storyline. You have a Drake May who maybe this is the next edition of a championship Patriots run. I don't know. Guy who went MVP in year two. You have a guy, Jared Stidham that no one knows who has a chance to stop that, get his team to a Super Bowl. Sam Darnold. I have never heard people say the things about Sam Darnold that about any other quarterback. In terms of what happened last year, people destroyed him.

[Matt Jones]

I think you were one of those people, though. Well, I mean, when you say people destroyed him, I feel like most of the, Let me, let me put it like this. I go through a lot of my life, 23 hour, 21 hours of Sunday and then 24 hours of every day where no one mentions the word Sam Darnold to me. Then I get with you for three hours and you mentioned him quite a bit. So I think most of the Sam Darnold hate I've heard has come from a young man named Myron Metcalf.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, nothing you said is strengthening my point. So like, I think next time when I say stuff like that, say like, you're right, people were saying that and don't keep me out.

[Matt Jones]

But maybe you were one of the people.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I mean, is there footage? I don't know, is there audio? We'll, we'll see. I think people crushed him and then the Vikings said even though you won 14 games, we're going to go with an unproven rookie coming off a season ending knee injury, which you supported. That's a better option. I didn't, I didn't support it in full. I didn't support it in full.

[Matt Jones]

You supported it. I think you supported it. I think you've, I think you at least voted for the joint resolution.

[Myron Metcalf]

I was not, I was not at the meeting. I do think to go from that to this is pretty incredible. And then to me, if Matthew Stafford gets his team to a second super bowl, wins the second Super Bowl, I think he and a lot of people's eyes would be above Aaron Rodgers as the best quarterback of this current era in that late 30s, early 40s category and maybe top 10 all time. So I think there's a lot on the line this weekend.

[Matt Jones]

There is a lot on the line. I don't think it's this exciting, though. I don't think anything you just said would motivate me 1/4 as much to be excited as will Josh Allen finally do it. I do think these playoffs are Missing that. They are missing now. The compelling. Whatever. I mean, yes, in theory. Is Jared Stidham compelling? If he wins today and you get two weeks of. Jared Stidham's only played one game and he's in the Super Bowl, I. I think America will get behind that. But for today, I don't think they feel like that. I don't think they feel any connection to this person at all. Me included. Like, I don't even know what he looks like, to be honest with you. He. He's just a guy. Drake May is going to be great. But whatever. Matthew Stafford.

[Myron Metcalf]

Whatever. What do you have. What you don't. You don't feel like Drake May is. You've never been, like, a Drake May supporter. Like, you've always downplayed.

[Matt Jones]

This is for me, not a Mayday.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay?

[Matt Jones]

I'm not a. I'm not a Drake May. He plays for the Patriots. Yes. That was a good joke. I don't care if you put your thumbs down or not. It's not a Mayday. He plays for the Patriots. I think I've been very clear. I don't want to see Bill Simmons happy. So the combination of all of those things is going to make me root against him. But I also don't think. I mean, if the Patriots make it, having beaten Jared Stidham and C.J. stroud, I mean, what a horrible run to the Super Bowl. Well, I mean, like, there couldn't. I'm not saying they don't deserve to be there, but what a horrible run. That's the least entertaining run ever.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, but. But it's also about underperforming. Josh Allen, who had this.

[Matt Jones]

I agree. But he's not here.

[Myron Metcalf]

And he didn't do it. But he's not here because he wasn't good enough.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. If you're asking me to be excited about this weekend, the person I'm most interested in is not here. And so.

[Myron Metcalf]

But the. But the nature of sports is that you don't know who a star is going to be in a moment.

[Matt Jones]

I remember.

[Myron Metcalf]

But young Tom Brady comes in for.

[Matt Jones]

Go ahead. I'm sorry.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, young Tom Brady comes in for a dude named Drew Bledsoe. Nobody knew who he was. You know, this could be Drake May's moment.

[Matt Jones]

It could be. Or it could be Sam Darnold vs Jarrett Stidham in the super bowl. And I may just go to sleep during the game. 888, say, ESPN, the AFC championship game and the NFC Championship game coming. Plus new hires across the landscape. That's next Here in Matt Myron on ESPN Radio.

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[Matt Jones]

Matt and Myron the podcast Matt Myron on ESPN Radio presented by Dr. Presented by Progressive Insurance. Myron, I think it's worth noting you're a TV star now. You're on Tell everybody where, where you are because I think this is a big deal for, for, for kids who want to follow your footsteps.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, I'm not, I'm not a TV star. I'm on a show during the college basketball yeah Countdown, the game day. So that'll be fun getting out to Bristol a bunch in the next couple months. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

When do people get to, when do people watch that show?

[Myron Metcalf]

Right before game day. So I mean game day comes on at. Was it 11 o' clock Eastern?

[Matt Jones]

Do you know what time you come on? Just. I'm asking people it's very important when you promote a show for, for you, since you're on it, to know what time it airs.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think it's 10:30 Eastern every Saturday.

[Matt Jones]

I don't think that's right. They don't start a show at 10:30. It's only 30 minutes long.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, we lead into game day, so we like, talk to the game day crew. We're leading into game day. So it's a digital show, so it's 30 minutes long. 30 minutes, yes.

[Matt Jones]

30 minute show at 10:30.

[Myron Metcalf]

And where do people watch this ESPN app? You can watch it on ESPN's YouTube channel. So just a whole digital operation. So I'll be making appearances. Jeff Barzello, my colleague at espn, will be doing it. So it's a bunch of us.

[Matt Jones]

Have you been fun stuff? Have you been like, working on the wardrobe to get ready for your national television commentary kind of debut?

[Myron Metcalf]

No, it's not. It's. It's. It's more casual. So the biggest thing I'm looking at is shoes. So, like, I've been. Because, because in the shot you're sitting in like two chairs for it. So they get a. They see your shoes a lot. So I'm just trying to figure out what.

[Matt Jones]

So what are you doing? Are you going sneakers? Are you going dress?

[Myron Metcalf]

Oh, definitely. Definitely sneakers. Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

But you.

[Matt Jones]

We've talked over the years. You have a really horrible sneaker collection.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, I've got some good stuff. All right, you know this.

[Matt Jones]

Well, let's talk about, talk about what you're gonna wear next week. I mean, next week's gonna be the first one you're on. What do you think?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, well, the kids are wearing Pumas. I don't know if you know that. So I've been looking at this pair of Pumas.

[Matt Jones]

What kids? What kids?

[Myron Metcalf]

The kids, the young people.

[Matt Jones]

They're wearing Pumas.

[Myron Metcalf]

I asked a guy at the shop, at the store the other day, who's this?

[Matt Jones]

Who's the most prominent athlete in Puma?

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know, but he said, I believe it's.

[Matt Jones]

I believe the only person I know that wears Puma is Scoot Henderson. Are you wearing Scoot Henderson shoes?

[Myron Metcalf]

If they're the ones I saw, I might. If he has them. And then.

[Matt Jones]

Can I just make a suggestion for you?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Don't make your national television debut in scoots. Like, I think you don't want to get like, like, why don't we, why don't we go with something for your first one a little more basic? Maybe it May be a pair of Jordans, but just not. I don't think we. I don't think we come out of the gate and scoot.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, everybody's worn Jordans, right? It's been done. There's nothing really, you know, special about it. I would say I have a bunch, but I've been doing something different. Like I want. I want people to say, I've never seen these.

[Matt Jones]

I am a sneaker head, but I don't want to be the. Myron doesn't listen to me sometimes when he's in stubborn mode. 888 say ESPN. If you are a sneaker head out there and Myron's about to make his national television commentary debut, tell him not to wear Pumas. 888 say ESPN. I'm not saying Puma's bad, but I'm just saying I don't think you're ready for the Cheetos. Puma on national TV don't do that.

[Myron Metcalf]

But this kid told me. I mean, what kid? 19. The dude at the Foot Locker. This dude at the Foot Locker. I mean, he's probably like 19, but.

[Matt Jones]

You understand the 19 now, hate a minute. Hang on. You understand the 19 year old at the Footlocker has a monetary incentive to try to get you to buy what he is selling.

[Myron Metcalf]

I asked him directly, I said, listen, forget money for a second. If you were me, what would you like?

[Matt Jones]

And he said, you look like a Puma guy.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, he said people are wearing these. He told me people are wearing these. So I don't think it was just about commission. I think it was about, you know, doing a good deed.

[Matt Jones]

All right. 888 say ESPN. James, watch the lines. I know there are sneakerheads out there that can back up. Are you the only two athletes I've seen that are Puma people? Are Scoot Henderson and Ricky Fowler. Are those the two people you're trying.

[Myron Metcalf]

To be like, well, I didn't know Ricky Fowler. That's even more intriguing. But this guy, this kid at the Foot Locker scene, I said, because I always take. I look a minute. I look people in the eye and say, listen, be straight with me, all right? Like, what are people wearing? And he was like, yeah, man, people are wearing these.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, no, wait a minute. There are more. I'm going to read you Neymar Lamello. All right? Some Lamello shoes do exist. Although I don't suggest you wear them. Hussein Bolt, Ricky Fowler and F1 athlete John. Excuse me, Manchester City.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay, that's a good list. I like that list. I mean, that's good company.

[Matt Jones]

Which one of those do you think you're most like, Lamelo, Scoot, Ricky or Usain Bolt?

[Myron Metcalf]

Usain Bolt. I mean, I was once had speed. That put me in a different category than my peers, so. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

All right, well, Dom is in Phoenix. Dom, back me up. No Pumas, right?

[Caller]

Yeah.

No.

You need to wear dress shoes and have some class, man. This new look of, like, suits and sneakers is ugly. Like, get some dress shoes, man, and, like, go out with some class. I think that. And then on another note, I just.

[Myron Metcalf]

Want to say 73.

[Matt Jones]

Dom is saying there's a classic fashion look. Maybe you don't come out the gate. You know, I mean, think about who do you know that wears sneakers on tv? It's like Jay Bilis and Jay Williams. Your name is not Jay. Maybe you should be more like, say, Seth Greenberg and wear actual dress shoes.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, comfort is the. Comfort is the thing.

[Matt Jones]

Let's go to Richard. Richard. Toronto. Go Rich.

[Caller]

How y' all doing?

[Matt Jones]

Good, good, good.

[Caller]

So he has to. If he wants to make a statement, since he's focusing on the shoes and you want to make a statement in Sneaker World, he has to go on a Steph, like, shoe tour run. So he has to make wear some classics. You know, he could pull out, like, the Reebok questions from Allen Iverson. Air pennies.

[Matt Jones]

Are you doing air pennies or are you doing air pennies? Are you doing foam posits?

[Myron Metcalf]

Phone positives.

[Matt Jones]

Problem? I wasn't asking you. I don't trust your advice. I was asking Rich in Toronto what he thinks.

[Caller]

Oh, me? I'm doing air pennies. I'm an air Penny guy. Yeah, all right.

[Matt Jones]

I like that. Would you agree? Don't J debut in the scoots?

[Caller]

No, no, you can't debut. I don't even know what those look like.

[Myron Metcalf]

I didn't even know he had shoes.

[Matt Jones]

Thank you very much. There you go. Go to Jeffrey deserves better Jeffrey in Durham, North Carolina. Go, Jeffrey.

[Caller]

Hey, how's it going, guys? Hey, Myron. You can blend both the sneaker and the dress shoe look by going with a classy pair of Cole Hans.

[Matt Jones]

0 grams. I have Cole Hans. I think that would be a good look for Myron. That is kind of like, I'm sporty, but I'm also classy, which I feel like is kind of you. You're not. You're. It's kind of like you're a little bit Seth Greenberg. You're a little bit J. Bill.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think Scoot deserves better than what we're doing. Right. And the 19 year old of Foot Locker? I think he was being honest with me. I don't think.

[Matt Jones]

You don't believe three callers all on my side and you're going to go with the 19 year old at Foot Locker?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, now you tell me that he was lying to me. I don't feel good about that. That he wasn't being honest with me.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I'm just being the case. The Steelers have their next coach. Plus we will preview the games and give Myron a hard time some more. That's next. Matt Myron, ESPN Radio.

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[Myron Metcalf]

Matt and Myron the podcast phones are.

[Matt Jones]

Lit up with people trying to help Myron with his debut shoes. I'm Gonna read you one for the text machine 772-774-5254 when I listen to the show, I would think Myron is the one with the fashion and the coolness and Matt is respectfully, a little bit of a yokel. But when they actually talk about events and clothing. It sounds the opposite. Tell Myron to step up his game.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't think that was necessary. Whoever said that There's a nicer way to say that. I think. And I don't. I don't think you all were.

[Matt Jones]

They were mean because they called me a yokel or because you the.

[Myron Metcalf]

All of it. All of it. I mean, listen, I. I got better shoes than Matt is. Is suggesting. And I ask people, I do. I do go into the store and I say, hey, man, keep it straight with me.

[Matt Jones]

But, you know, I'm your friend. I have 300 pairs of sneakers and know the world pretty well. You could ask me.

[Myron Metcalf]

But, but, but you always go over things like a lawyer, and that's why I don't ask you these things, because you're always like, okay, but did you counter with the fifth Amendment and the fourth degree? I'm like, dude, I just want a good pair of shoes, man.

[Matt Jones]

I do bring up the fifth amendment quite a bit. Jeremy Fowler says the Raiders coaching search should come into focus on Sunday. Multiple sources consider Seahawks offensive coordinator Clint Kubiak a prime candidate. Broncos passing game coordinator Davis Webb is mentioned as well, and several Rams assistants have interviewed virtually. So it sounds like a lot of what happened in Oakland will depend on what happens today in Seattle. Now, the Steelers, they went ahead and hired Mike McCarthy. Now, again, if you're a longtime listener, Matt Myron, you know one thing? The only person Myron has talked more trash about than Sam Darnold is a man named Mike McCarthy. So as soon as the Steelers hired Mike McCarthy, I thought, I don't even want to text Myron about it. I want to give him the floor uninterrupted to explain what he thinks about the Steelers making only their fourth coach in the last 65 years making it Mike McCarthy. Myron, you have the floor.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I guess a cardboard box was unavailable because I think your chances of winning would be the same if you had just put a cardboard box on the sideline and said, why don't you coach the team? I don't know any reason that you land on Mike McCarthy. You don't. You don't land on Mike McCarthy. You've given up. And then Mike McCarthy's just there in the lobby hanging out, hoping to talk somebody and say, fine, you're the head coach you fired. You didn't fire him, but Mike Tomlin stepped down after failing in the postseason. That was the entire conversation. And you're going to hire a guy who, since the Aaron Riders super bowl has done just that. Has not reached the ceiling with any team. He's had. He had prime Aaron Rodgers one Super bowl appearance. He had prime Dak Prescott nothing in the playoffs. And now you think he's going to a team that doesn't even have an established quarterback and he's going to somehow elevate this team. I lost respect for the Steelers yesterday when they announced this. I mean, that to me isn't a franchise that cares about winning. If you hire the dude who has done less with more than maybe any coach in the history of this game.

[Matt Jones]

Has he won a Super Bowl.

[Myron Metcalf]

When did he win it though? And how?

[Matt Jones]

Well, I mean, he won it by winning the final game of the season. And the year was. What is it? 2020, 2010 is. I mean, that matters though. The amount of people who've won that are on the market is very small. Correct?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes, but I mean, he won it so long ago and he wanted. With Aaron Rodgers playing some of the best football we've ever seen. I don't think he was a great coach then. He had a great quarterback when he had to be great. Was in the years that followed. That was the test of Mike McCarthy. You've got this Aaron Rodgers guy playing at top three level. What do you do with them? Not one super bowl after that. Not one super bowl appearance after that.

[Matt Jones]

And neither did Aaron Rodgers anywhere else, though. I mean, that was a mutual. I mean that was. They. Neither of them were as good when they weren't good together.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, but. But you had a lot of years post super bowl with Aaron Rodgers playing at a very, very high level that didn't result in playoff success.

[Matt Jones]

Well, can I make the case? Let me make the case for him. And I don't know that I totally believe this, but I feel you hate Mike McCarthy so much that sometimes I need to just take up for him. He will. This man is going to have an historic record. We. You could make a very strong argument what are the most historic franchises in the NFL? Or if you were to say iconic franchises in the NFL, you're probably going to rank the Dallas Cowboys first, you're probably going to rank the Green Bay packers second. And then you're probably going to rank the Pittsburgh Steelers third. And this man is going to have coached all three of them. That is kind of amazing. He will have had three head coaching jobs in his life. Admiring. He will have found a way to coach arguably the three most iconic franchises in the sport. Is that not in and of itself amazing?

[Myron Metcalf]

It's amazing if he Makes them better. But he's not going to do that. I mean, that's the thing.

[Matt Jones]

He will have made them better. I mean, to be fair. To be fair to him. Wins the super bowl in Green Bay after and has amazing success, even though not necessarily the success you think he should have. Still a lot of success goes to Dallas, arguably their most successful stretch of years in a long time. Even though they didn't get over the hump they were. That's the best the Cowboys have been since their run in the 90s. I mean it's. Is it not possible he finds a level of success in Pittsburgh?

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, he's the Doc Rivers of the NFL. Right. Like we're going to be talking about what he did.

[Caller]

Horrible.

[Matt Jones]

That's not a long analogy.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, but I mean what we're basing his success and how we view him on what he did a long time ago. My challenge.

[Matt Jones]

But Doc Rivers has never failed. Except we'll see what happens in Milwaukee. But in general has never failed.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think he's post Boston Celtics run. I think there are a lot of great players he had. He didn't reached the ceiling, but they.

[Matt Jones]

Were always right there. I mean, the Clippers, he. That that team was successful with him even if they didn't get over the top.

[Myron Metcalf]

But they had a bunch of flops too. My point of Mike McCarthy is you had a chance to advance and really play at a much higher level after that super bowl run. It just didn't happen. Fine. You go to Dallas and he wins 12 games in the regular season every year, which is not hard to. To do. I mean, three seasons of that, that's not easy to do. But then in the postseason you don't do anything with the Cowboys. I think the problem is you got rid of Mike Thomas essentially for a guy who has the same issue and that's what doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Matt Jones]

That may be true. Would you have hired Brian Flores or Anthony weaver, their other two final finalists, over Mike McCarthy?

[Myron Metcalf]

I would have hired Flores for sure. I would have. I would not have hired Mike McCarthy. I mean, I just. I don't see how he changes what you're after. Mike Tomlin never had an elite quarterback post Ben Roethlisberger. I mean, you can point to that. You're talking about a guy, Mike McCarthy. You had always had an elite quarterback at both of his previous stops.

[Matt Jones]

Can we.

[Myron Metcalf]

What did he get for.

[Matt Jones]

Can we get you to commit in writing that if Mike McCarthy, let's say, goes to the AFC championship game, that you will apologize to him?

[Host/Interviewer]

Him?

[Matt Jones]

No, but, but why not? I, I, Why not?

[Myron Metcalf]

What am I. Because that will have been successful.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, but let's say that it did. Sure.

[Myron Metcalf]

But it's okay.

[Matt Jones]

All right, so that's written down. All right. I'm, I'm writing it over here.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

If Pittsburgh goes to the AFC championship. How do you spell AFC?

[Myron Metcalf]

There we go.

[Matt Jones]

AFC championship. Then Myron will apologize to Mike McCarthy.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay. And the reality is they're not going to go to the AFC championship.

[Matt Jones]

That's fair. They may not. But I wanted to get it, I wanted to get it on, on record.

[Myron Metcalf]

Did you just ask how to spell afc?

[Matt Jones]

I was, I was kidding. I was me, I was saying, you know, I just was trying to have a little, a little humor.

[Myron Metcalf]

So I'm, I'm a Western Pennsylvania guy.

[Commercial Announcer]

Like most of my friends are Steeler fans.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Commercial Announcer]

They just went from like, like this doesn't fix anything.

[Host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Myron Metcalf]

Their biggest complaint about Mike Tomlin is like he was going to win nine, 10 games. They were going to go to the playoffs. They were stuck in this. And they picked Cycle and they just picked.

[Host/Interviewer]

I agree.

[Matt Jones]

James. I'm not, I'm not. I, I like to pick it. Myron's hatred of Mike McCarthy because I think he's too hard on it. But I do think a reasonable argument is Myron, they just picked a little bit worse Mike Tomlin. I think that's a reasonable, that's a reasonable complaint to me.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean it doesn't make sense. It doesn't change anything, you know, So I don't, I don't understand how Mike McCarthy elevates anything. It's not even, and it's not even like someone who can grow into the role.

[Matt Jones]

Well, that's what I was gonna say. It's also, this is a franchise who going back to Chuck Noel, Bill Cower and Mike Tomlin has always had a way of getting a guy that was never had a head coaching job, letting them develop into the role and then watching them succeed. And then they got away from that to hire a 60 what 2 year old man that at best only has a handful of years of coaching. So in him. So it doesn't totally make sense. Josh in Oregon. Go ahead, Josh.

[Caller]

Man, I feel like, I feel like you guys break down everything really good. And I think you were talking about the shoes. You should have done way better, man. Like first point man, this is your first time ever. You don't get a replay. You can't rewind the tape and do it again.

[Matt Jones]

That's right.

[Caller]

You have to wear something that's gonna make that statement. Like, think about how many NBA coaches and players get talked about because the shoes they had on.

[Matt Jones]

Exactly. In their debut and their debut. Josh, this is his debut on tv. Many times he's been on tv, but this is different because this is. This is pre game day. This is with Sam Ravage. All right, so this is like a. This is where he. He's gotta come through. Josh, I'm with you.

[Myron Metcalf]

What.

[Matt Jones]

Wait a minute. Let him say, Josh, what? So what would you suggest?

[Caller]

So, look, man, when you said Jordans wasn't the thing, you're meaning general releases? You need to find something exclusive. You need to find something that nobody sees, because that's what they're going to talk about for the next week after, you know, find you, like, some Jordan 5 wings or a pair of doorbeckers. But they got to be ready.

[Matt Jones]

Let's see the doorbecker. That would be great. I. I have a pair of those. Those are very small releases. They just came out about a week or two ago. Myron, you pull some connections, show up in them, you'll. You'll be. You'll be remembered.

[Myron Metcalf]

But you guys realize this is why normal people don't hang out with you sneakerheads, right? Cause you guys are sitting there like, you gotta go find a Jordan 19 Retro 25S at a cool little convention down and just hop on a plane and go to LA and then pay $500. Like, no one is that intense. You all are really intense people, you sneakerheads about shoes. Which is why we don't ask you questions because it just means too much to you all. You don't have. No, I have normal conversations. This dude was acting like this was a life or death thing. He's like, oh, man, you can't wear the Jordan ones. Deep breaths. Go hang out at your little convention and sit in your circles and trade shoes.

[Matt Jones]

I don't care. Your feet are a wittle bitty smaller than mine. Okay, But I could let you.

[Myron Metcalf]

What did you just say?

[Matt Jones]

First of all, will be. You got will be.

[Myron Metcalf]

Why would you say that, though?

[Matt Jones]

You got will be.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, I don't. I wear a size 12. 11. Don't say.

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay, all right.

[Matt Jones]

I thought you were 10. All right, so you wear size 12. No.

[Myron Metcalf]

What?

[Matt Jones]

I wear size 12. I wear size 12. Okay? Once you borrow a pair of my shoes, they're. They're clean. They're clean.

[Myron Metcalf]

I want to do it on my own.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but we know. We. You're going to show up in scoot.

[Myron Metcalf]

Henderson I would rather go out of my sword Matt than than just just do the easy way.

[Matt Jones]

I'm gonna start calling you just do the easy way 888 CSA esp if you agree with me that he's got to do something else or if you just want to widdle bitty feet.

[Myron Metcalf]

Why did you just say that?

[Matt Jones]

You just got little bit feet. That's okay.

[Myron Metcalf]

Why did you say that?

[Matt Jones]

Next here on Matt Myron Honey ESPN Radio.

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[Myron Metcalf]

Matt and Myron, the podcast Matt and Myron on ESPN Radio and on the ESPN app, what all is going on in college basketball?

[Matt Jones]

And the best person possible to join.

[Myron Metcalf]

Us to talk about that is our co worker from ESPN Radio and ESPN.com, myron Metcalf.

[Matt Jones]

Myron first.

[Caller]

How you doing?

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm doing okay. I'm staying warm. It's minus 18 up here. Minus 55. Wind chill, but other than that. Did you just say -55? Oh, yeah. No.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

Everything's frozen. Yeah, I mean, the inside of my windows in my garage are frozen.

[Matt Jones]

I'm moving Matt Myer. And Sunday morning, 10:00am right here on ESPN Radio.

[Myron Metcalf]

I can't believe he just said minus 55. Yeah, dude, minus 50, 55.

[Matt Jones]

Like never. Were you in the bathtub during that interview. Why did you sound like that? Play that. Play that little thing where he says, play Myron's first word after Ryan introduces him right there. And listen to. Listen to what it sounds like. Go ahead, play that. Okay, well, I gotta give him a minute. We gotta play Hootie and the blowfish first. 888, say ESPN. One person writes, Matt, if I'm going on TV for a new show, I'm rocking the freshest Jordans I got. Tell Myron, for his own sake, as a listener of this show, I beg him, don't wear the pumas.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, listen, I'm the. I was the kid who. If you told me a hundred people are doing it this way, out of a hundred, I'm gonna go the other way just to go against the grain. So you all are only encouraging me to do it because you keep bringing it up. So now I want to wear the pumas even more. Do you want to hear my words?

[Matt Jones]

I want you to hear how it sounds like Myron is in his bathtub.

[Caller]

How you doing?

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm doing okay.

[Caller]

I'm staying warm.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's minus 18 up here. Minus 55. Wind chill.

[Matt Jones]

Do you know why does it sound like that?

[Myron Metcalf]

Sound like what?

[Matt Jones]

You don't think that sounded like you were in a bathtub? The difference between Ryan's microphone and your. And yours. Ryan sounds like we do right now.

[Myron Metcalf]

Phone. You're on the phone, right? Yeah. Mine was having some connectivity issues yesterday.

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Myron Metcalf]

Let's be real.

[Matt Jones]

You were. You were laying in your bathtub and you just wanted to sit there. You were sitting there using your phone.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's a weird image. I wasn't in the bathtub talking to Marty and McGee, man. I don't like the sound of that. That's not what I was doing.

[Caller]

Actually.

[Matt Jones]

If you, if anybody wants to make the AI image of Myron in his bathtub talking to Marty and McGee, that's weird, man. I think, I think that's probably what it looked like. Charles Buddy. Is that his name? Is that how I say his name? Betty Ako Betty Oko cleared to play for Alabama he It's amazing story. Two days after a Tuscaloosa judge who also is a donor to Alabama put a temporary restraining order that allowed the seven footer who previously had played in the G League and had been involved in a trade to be to come back to college basketball. Betty Oko gets 13 points and three rebounds in Alabama's loss to the Vols. This feels like a little bit of a different situation than some of these others because the other guys have come in and really made no difference. And Betty Oko for a couple of minutes yesterday looked like you put a grown man in college basketball and it looked a little different. What do you think about the fact that it feels like they've now taken another step to having professional basketball players come back to college?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I mean, I think Betty Ako is a lot different, not just because of his impact, but a week ago he was in the G League, not like last year. I mean he was playing for the Motor City Cruz a week ago and then he comes to college basketball. We've never seen a guy get a chance to go back to college after signing an NBA contract. He was on a two way deal, signed multiple training camp deals. So, so this is, this is unique. And I do think Tuesday's hearing, if he's granted this preliminary injunction, could really change the face of the sport. People were afraid of the James Nazi situation because of what that represented at Baylor. But I think this is the situation where you're seeing coaches come out really, really going against.

[Matt Jones]

It's a bigger one because the other guy hadn't signed a two way deal. The other guy hadn't signed. So this one's, this one's a bigger deal. I'd love to be in the Tuscaloosa courtroom. I feel like it's going to be like that old Saturday Night Live skip Main Justice. They're going to come in and go, yana, you're a Crimson Todd fan and we could use this Betty Ako, to help Nate get to the final Four. So I would ask you, Yana, to consider in your heart the needs of the Tide. I think that would be. And then the NCAA lawyer comes in from Indianapolis. He's like, sir, provision 16.34. And they. Your honor, I don't know the ncaa's.

[Myron Metcalf]

Code, but, rol.

[Matt Jones]

I feel like that's how the hearing is gonna go. Can I tell you, Myron, a quick, quick story for when I practice law? This is a true story. I was working at a law firm in Charlotte. I was a summer associate, and I went in, and it was these people from Charlotte, and the other lawyers were from New York. All right? It was. Robinson Hinshaw was the name of the firm. And the New York guy gets up in front of this judge in Charlotte and he gives his argument. He's very professional. Walked in with a briefcase. Myron. He was like, if you will cite Section 43 of the Commercial code. Brah, brah, brah, brah. And then he'll go. And in New North Carolina, you all have Robinson on contracts that says he sits down. The lawyer for Robinson, Bradshaw, and Henson, who wrote the book the man had just cited, stands up and goes, yonah, my esteemed colleague from New York cites Robinson on contracts. And then you can see the judge laughing. He goes, as your honor may be aware, I wrote that book. And I remember what I was thinking when I wrote it. And the case was over right there.

[Myron Metcalf]

That was it.

[Matt Jones]

That was it. New York guy just had to go home. It was done. So that's what I think is gonna happen in Alabama.

[Myron Metcalf]

So Isabella should send a Southern lawyer, like they should.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, listen, if you are on trial in the South.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Find a Southern lawyer. Okay. You're done if you don't.

[Myron Metcalf]

But I feel like if they get a southern lord. Cause, you know, we don't know what southern people. Like, they're gonna overdo it. Like, they're gonna bring in somebody who's too Southern.

[Matt Jones]

You think they're gonna bring in, like, Matlock?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes, they're gonna bring in somebody, and they're gonna overdo it, and the court's gonna know, and it's just gonna backfire. I think.

[Matt Jones]

No, I don't.

[Myron Metcalf]

They're gonna go as well.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. They're gonna bring in. When like, okay, I about said a name I shouldn't have said. I'm outside one of our colleagues when sometimes they work, and then their accent jumps up. Not gonna say their name. I'm just saying. But I'm going to suspect the Tuscaloosa judge allows this guy to play Just a little home cooking potentially happening on Tuesday.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I think everyone agrees with that.

[Matt Jones]

Yana has Yanis played his last game for the Milwaukee Bucks? That's next here on Matt Myron on ESPN Radio.

[Myron Metcalf]

Matt and Myron the Pod.

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