Hour 1: You Tell Him Herm!

Summary

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Episode Overview

Podcast: Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron
Hosts: Matt Jones, Myron Medcalf (ESPN Radio)
Episode: Hour 1: You Tell Him, Herm!
Air Date: October 19, 2025

The first hour of this episode dives into the latest college football chaos, the shifting dynamics at the top of the NFL, and colorful banter with ESPN’s Herm Edwards. With their trademark wit and candor, Matt and Myron debate player performances, coaching turmoil, fan reactions, and the unpredictability gripping both NCAA and NFL seasons.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Post-Kentucky vs Texas Recap & Arch Manning's Struggles

• Matt admits exhaustion from a late-night radio shift and immediately takes aim at Texas QB Arch Manning after seeing him in person.
  • “Arch Manning is not good. ...I’m going to go farther. He’s the worst quarterback I’ve seen in person at a UK football game in a long time.” — Matt Jones [01:13]
• They poke fun at the media hype around Arch and lament Kentucky’s missed opportunity.
  • "No coach in America wants a good kid who's an average quarterback over a bad kid who's great." — Myron Metcalf [02:40]
  • The Kentucky football experience: “It’s like always coming up one ball short of the lottery. …That’s what Kentucky football perpetually is.” — Matt Jones [03:01]

2. Rapid Fire: College Football, Big Games & Heisman Race

• Georgia vs Ole Miss:
  • Matt questions Lane Kiffin’s big-game record: “He wins until it matters and then he loses.” [03:19]
  • Myron credits Kiffin for elevating Ole Miss, says the loss was all about Georgia’s knack for closing games.
• Vanderbilt’s Rise & Portal Positivity:
  • Diego Pavia gets Heisman/MVP buzz. Both hosts agree he’s an energizing underdog.
  • "Vandy is such a great example of how the transfer portal has only helped college football…A school like that can come in… now they’re playing with the best teams in America." — Myron Metcalf [04:30]
  • Matt jokes: “Do you really want the person that’s good at biology to also be good at football?” [05:00]
• Baker Mayfield & Diego Pavia as MVP/Heisman favorites: Both hosts praise their charisma and underdog stories.
  • “It's easy to get behind a Diego and Baker Mayfield just based on their stories.” — Myron Metcalf [06:43]
• Quick Hits:
  • Georgia Tech undefeated, Memphis’s brutal upset loss to UAB, and Louisville’s upset of Miami get recaps.
  • Comic banter over Myron’s difficulties pronouncing “Louisville” brings laughs.
    • “I'm saying it exactly how you're saying it.” — Myron Metcalf [11:14]

3. College Football Hot Seats & Coaching Carnage

• Matt and Myron speculate which big-name coaches could be fired next:
  • Luke Fickell (Wisconsin): Myron thinks he's most likely due to culture clash and offensive woes.
    • “What rubs people the wrong way…isn’t just the losing. It’s the out-of-town dude coming to a place that has played the same way for a long time.” — Myron Metcalf [15:45]
  • Hugh Freeze (Auburn): Matt expects news to break soon, citing his lack of likeability and blown leads.
    • “If you’re going to sell your soul for Hugh Freeze, then Hugh Freeze at least needs to win.” — Matt Jones [17:48]
  • Billy Napier (Florida): They debate if a coach can be fired after a win.
    • “You can have a great date in a toxic relationship. It doesn't change the relationship.” — Myron Metcalf [20:42]
    • “You cannot break up mid makeout.” — Matt Jones [20:55]

4. NFL Landscape: Wide Open at the Top

• Jacksonville Jaguars get routed in London; NFL parity rules the day.
  • “This is the most open I can ever remember the top of the NFL.” — Matt Jones [24:01]
• Herm Edwards joins for Super Bowl favorites and NFL parity talk.
  • Herm picks Kansas City: “Yeah, they’re the favorite in the clubhouse…I mean, look, there’s some other teams sniffing around.” [27:08]
• Discussion of QBs who "revive" their careers (Mayfield, Darnold, Daniel Jones) in new settings; coaching matters.
  • “Coaching matters. It just matters. ...You get hardened when you fail. ...You never recover or you do like the guys that have recovered.” — Herm Edwards [30:00]
• Herm explains his philosophy: Coaches must fit the system to the QB—whether it was Chad Pennington or Vinny Testaverde, flexibility in system is key. [31:08–32:16]

5. Locker Room Candor & Tua Tagovailoa Controversy

• Tua criticizes teammates for being late to meetings, then apologizes—blaming the “media.”
  • “Literally, those were your words, man. Own that.” — Myron Metcalf [42:53]
  • “Don’t blame the media because y’all are a mess.” — Myron Metcalf [44:19]
• Herm is adamantly old school: locker room business stays private.
  • “What we do here, what we say here stays here when we leave here.” — Herm Edwards [32:49]
  • “You better stop all that silliness…All you need to know, we gonna show up with 11 on the field, and we’ll be prepared to win games…anything that happens in my house, it’s in my house.” [33:08]

6. Lighter Moments & Listener Banter

• Banter on pronouncing "Louisville" and humorous off-mic listener texts (“the late 70s black stepdad from LA”).
  • “I don't process people by the age and race of their stepdads.” — Matt Jones [40:09]
• Herm's legendary locker room phrases (“Hello!”) are compared to pop culture catchphrases (“ice ice baby,” “playoffs”).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Matt on Arch Manning:
  “He is not good…I’m going to go farther. He’s the worst quarterback I’ve seen in person at a UK football game in a long time. That’s not joking.” [01:13]

• Myron on new college power dynamics:
  “Vandy is such a great example of how the transfer portal has only helped college football…they may have bent a few rules.” [04:30–05:35]

• On firing coaches after wins:
  “You can have a great date in a toxic relationship. You know, it doesn’t change the relationship.” — Myron Metcalf [20:42]

• Herm on media & player transparency:
  “What we do here, what we say here stays here when we leave here…anything that happens in my house, it’s in my house. It ain’t going to your house.” [32:49–33:30]

• Herm on QB development:
  “Coaching matters. ...You get hardened when you fail. ...You never recover or you do like the guys that have recovered.” [30:00]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening and Arch Manning Analysis: [00:36–02:45]
• Georgia/Ole Miss Lane Kiffin Debate: [03:01–04:13]
• Heisman/MVP/Transfer Portal Chatter: [04:30–06:43]
• Coach Hot Seats (Fickell, Freeze, Napier): [13:27–21:03]
• NFL Landscape Parity Chat: [23:08–27:00]
• Herm Edwards Extended Segment: [26:13–36:17]
• Locker Room Culture, Tua, & Media: [40:55–45:02]
• Light Banter/Listener Interactions: [38:31–40:29]
• Closing College/NFL Recaps: [45:02–end]

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Flow & Tone

The show is fast-paced, humorous, irreverent, and unfiltered. Myron leans analytical and deadpan, while Matt is quick with jokes and candid jabs at teams and players. Both are self-aware and comfortable poking fun at each other and at Herm Edwards—whose old-school football gravitas and locker room one-liners add a classic coach’s flavor and memorable “old head” wisdom. The energy is high, conversational, and accessible even for casual sports fans.

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Takeaway

This episode masterfully mixes deep analysis, irreverent humor, and real-time fan reactions. Matt and Myron dissect the pressures on coaches and players, the sweeping changes in both college and professional football, and the challenge of blending old-school tradition with today’s wild parity and transfers. It’s a perfect listen for fans hungry for real talk, sharp observations, and a few laughs at the expense of sports’ sacred cows.

Transcript

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Matt and Myron, the podcast.

[Matt Jones]

That was an exciting intro. The music though kind of brings the mood down a little bit. Welcome to your to your table here at a nice restaurant. It is Sunday morning. It is Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio. I'm Matt Jones. Myron Metcalf is here. Myron, I'm a little, little tired. I was up till about 1:30 doing radio for the Kentucky Texas college football game last night. But back here with you this morning, ready to go for an. Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, glad, glad you, you know, you powered through.

[Matt Jones]

Let me get this moment but don't go ahead.

[Myron Metcalf]

But don't disrespect Wu Tang Clan though. You said the music wasn't.

[Matt Jones]

I know, but that was, that sounded more like, you know, James Taylor, you Wu Tang. I need, I need like I need hard Wu Tang. I was up late watching the, the game. I do need to say this and then we'll get to the games that matter more. Arch Manning is not good. I sat in person and watched him. He's not good. Not only is he not good, I'm going to go farther. He's the worst quarterback I've seen in person at, at a UK football game in a long time. That's not joking. He, he, he is not good. He threw for like 80 yards last night. I don't know what the fact that Paul Fine Bomb said he was going to be the best college football player since Tim Tebow is one of the more absurd comments that has ever been said.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean a lot of people said a lot and no one's talked about him since. I didn't realize like again, I thought.

[Matt Jones]

Maybe it was his bad. Did you?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I mean the question is, and I think you said this early in the show, like early this season. Why did he play more last year?

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Myron Metcalf]

You know what I mean.

[Matt Jones]

But I had no idea he was and you know people always, because they like his uncles and his grandfather People are always like, he's a good kid. But we don't do that for anybody else. I'm sure he's a good kid. Like, this isn't about whether or not he's a good human being. He's just terrible at football. And there were people that had him projected as the number one pick in the draft. Myron. It's crazy to me.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. No coach in America wants a good kid who's an average quarterback over a bad kid who's a great.

[Matt Jones]

A lot of people are good kids. Right. It doesn't matter.

[Herm Edwards]

But.

[Myron Metcalf]

But that game probably hurts more than they did because Kentucky had a shot. Right. Like. Like you're in that game.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

Against a beatable Texas team and.

[Matt Jones]

Well, we're used to it.

[Myron Metcalf]

It doesn't work.

[Matt Jones]

Used to it. It's like always coming up one ball short of the lottery. That's what we do. Or not getting the last piece of McDonald's monopoly. That's what Kentucky football perpetually is. Now, there were some school big games all around the country. I'm going to sit here and kind of give you the ones that I thought were the most important. You tell me your quick thoughts. Let's start. Georgia beats Ole Miss, gives Lane Kiffin his first loss. You know, one of the narrative if you're around Ole Miss fans about Lane Kiffin is he wins until it matters and then he loses. Did you feel that way with the Georgia loss or do you just say, look, it's Georgia at home. That's a game you're not going to win very often?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I mean, I think if you look at the overall big picture, Lane, Kevin has elevated Ole Miss and put them into a conversation. I don't think they were in for a long time without him. So, I mean, this ain't a James Franklin situation. I think it's more of Georgia wins those kinds of games. If you watch Georgia and the Kirby, that's exactly what they do.

[Matt Jones]

Two weeks beat Auburn last week in a very similar game as well.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. And I think that's kind of their thing. So I think that was more about just the way Georgia knows how to finish games and less about Lane Kiff and not being able to win in those situations.

[Matt Jones]

If you look at Ole Miss schedule, though, had they won yesterday with we might have been seeing Lane Kiffin's first playoff team. Now they'll have to probably pull off an upset somewhere to do it. Speaking of teams that might make the playoff, can you see a playoff with the Vanderbilt Commodores is do. Is Diego Pavia, the Heisman favorite.

[Myron Metcalf]

Listen, I mean, I think he has to be at least in that conversation. You know, I think it's been a weird year for the Heisman race. We haven't had like a definitive front runner, but I think he's making his case. I also think Vanderbilt is such a great example of how the transfer portal has only helped college football at a school like that can come in and say, you know what? No one thought about Vandy and football ever, and now they're playing with the best teams in America. I think it's a. It stamps the portal as a good thing for the sport when you see a team like that rise.

[Matt Jones]

But do you think it's good for society, for vanity to be good at football? I mean, it feels like it's. It feels like we don't. They're too nerdy, you know, you don't. Do you really want the person that's good at biology to also be good at football? And then what if the guy that's the best player at football seems, while a lot of fun, kind of like a dude that at some point, you know, is going to be involved in something sneaky. Like, are you. Do you like that?

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, you think Diego's a biologist? I don't, I don't know.

[Matt Jones]

Diego is not about.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know if the football players are in those same classes. Let me just say that. I don't, I don't. I think a lot of the football players might be taking some online courses. Okay. So I think, I think Vandy has certainly made a way for guys to get in, but, you know, they may have bent a few rules.

[Matt Jones]

They get that Vandy degree, but they did half their courses for the University of Phoenix that transferred in. Is that how it works?

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

If you go get JoJo into Vandy, you better ignore the transcripts a little bit, you know. But I think, you know, all these people who complain about the portal, all these schools, the Penn States of the world who go, we were just going to soar off of our brand, right. We don't have to care about Nil. We have to care about the portal. We're at Penn State and a team like Van is like, yeah, we don't have a reputation, but we got some money and we'll invest in the sport. And now you see the change.

[Matt Jones]

So you would. So I'm of the belief, by the way, that the Heisman and the MVP are Diego Pavia and Baker Mayfield, two dudes that are like, just constant excitement. Would you agree with that?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, playmakers.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, just fine.

[Myron Metcalf]

Like fun and likable dudes. Like people. Like, it's easy to get behind a Diego and a Baker Mayfield just based on their stories. Right? Like, it's hard to root against those dudes.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, you had. Georgia Tech ends up remaining undefeated, beats Duke 27:18. Not a lot to say about that, except the rambling rec have a clear path to the playoff. This is like it's 1991 all over again with Georgia Tech. Who needs Colorado to share a national championship with Arizona State, beat previous unbeaten Texas Tech. That Texas Tech roster, Myron, that's worth about $90 million, loses yesterday to Arizona State.

[Myron Metcalf]

It might not be worth as much next year. I mean, but I mean, that's the challenge to. Right, you invest that kind of money, you gotta wait. Expectations go up really fast, and then we probably.

[Matt Jones]

People wouldn't think we. Alabama, by the way, also beats Tennessee. They won on a pick six. Alabama is the first team in SEC history to be four straight ranked conference opponents without a buy that lost to Florida State at the beginning of the year. For the, for the Crimson Tide. Seems like a long time ago, doesn't it?

[Myron Metcalf]

And everybody fell apart over it, right? We college football fans exaggerate everything.

[Matt Jones]

Yes, they do.

[Myron Metcalf]

Like, if you want to see an exaggeration, just look at week one college football. Every single year, you will see people ready to quit on their teams. They're never going to a game the rest of the season, which is what Alabama fans said. And now everything's okay.

[Matt Jones]

Caitlin. I mean, Alabama to me now is second to Ohio State in turn in teams of, I think can win the national championship. So that is a huge turnaround earlier this year. It's worth noting we don't. We rarely talk about UAB football, but they fire Trent Dilfer. They were awful. I mean, awful. And then yesterday go on the road and beat Memphis. Now, Memphis was undefeated. But here's the thing. Had Memphis one, there was a decent chance they were getting college game day this week for the first time of all time. And then they lose and they lose to uab. Alex Mortensen, Chris Mortensen's son, gets a victory and keeps Memphis probably from its first ever college game day.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, I love the storyline of Chris Mortensen's son, you know, getting a win. But yeah, if you, if you're Memphis, it's one of those opportunities that are beyond even the game. The opportunity to get game day and just that attention. That's a big mistake.

[Matt Jones]

That's A huge. That's a huge loss because you were.

[Myron Metcalf]

You can't lose that.

[Matt Jones]

You were going to get game day Memphis. I mean, who. Who even thinks about Memphis getting game day? It was there for the taking. And then they lose. And then Miami Friday night loses at home to Louisville in a game. By the way, yours truly picked Louisville to win.

[Myron Metcalf]

You did.

[Matt Jones]

You were on that four interceptions for Carson Beck and on the. For. To the Louisville defense. They were number two in the country. That's a shocking result to some. I did pick Louisville, to be fair. But is this. You know, Carson Beck. It was like the Georgia. Carson Beck showed up for a little while.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, to me, once you get the bigger sample size. I remember early in the season, everyone's like, oh, man, this is Peyton Manning. Like everything we've seen from Carson Beck. He's an NFL guy. You can't hide your flaws over the course of a season. No, like, eventually you get into moments like that. But I also think, you know, you look at Louisville. Louisville. You know Louisville.

[Matt Jones]

Like you look at. Wait a minute, what's it. What score?

[Myron Metcalf]

We love.

[Matt Jones]

Love.

[Myron Metcalf]

You look at Louisville. The love of Cardinals. The love of Cardinals.

[Matt Jones]

Too much love. Again, Lull. Lol.

[Myron Metcalf]

Louis. Love of Cardinals. You know, so when you look at.

[Matt Jones]

Them, right, you say it like it's.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm saying it the way y' all telling me to say it.

[Matt Jones]

Sexy and B song. It's just everybody. It's a little. No, you just go, L. L.

[Myron Metcalf]

Stop.

[Matt Jones]

With the L. I don't know how.

[Myron Metcalf]

To make an L sound with my. I don't know how to make an L sound without doing that. The kind of L sound that y'.

[Matt Jones]

All. Cameron. Evan. Cameron, say L. Louisville. Just do it. Ev. Evan, go Louisville.

[Myron Metcalf]

He got it.

[Matt Jones]

Cameron.

[Tua Tagovailoa]

Louisville.

[Matt Jones]

No, no. Ville Vull.

[Myron Metcalf]

Louis Vull.

[Matt Jones]

Louisville. There you go. Now, Myron, they both did it. Your turn.

[Myron Metcalf]

But we didn't sit at the same lunch tables, all of us. Right? So that's something you gotta consider. In this whole conversation, y' all were on the other side of the cafeteria. Technically, I was on my side. So, you know, just so you know.

[Matt Jones]

Try it one more time. Myron. Love.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm saying it exactly how you're saying it.

[Matt Jones]

No, you're not.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm literally saying it exactly how you're saying.

[Matt Jones]

Doing this for years and you can't.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm saying it exactly how you telling me to say it.

[Matt Jones]

You can't do it. You always say L. You can't go, Lull.

[Myron Metcalf]

Because I don't want to miss the L. I don't want to miss it. I feel like I got to hit that harder and then. And then I can't catch the ville part. Like I had it.

[Matt Jones]

See, it's not ville, it's vul.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know how to say I don't know y' all letters down there, man. I'm trying.

[Matt Jones]

Calling the Cardinals be a part of Matt Myron Nation on the Dr. Pepper calling line 888 ESPN will take calls from anywhere, including Louisville. ESPN Nation is presented by Dr. Pepper. It's not college football season without the delicious taste of an Ice cold Dr. Pepper. College football. It's a Pepper thing. We were supposed to have quarterback on and he ends he's got to lift weights. Probably because you don't know how to say his name. Penn State fired James Franklin. Will anyone else do a similar move today? We think there might be a couple. That's next here. I'm Matt Myron. Louisville.

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[Matt Jones]

Myron the podcast Ohio State number one beat Wisconsin 34 to nothing in Madison leading to fire Fickle Luke Fickle chance throughout Wisconsin. Fire fickle Wisconsin's now gone 27 straight offensive drives without a touchdown and it scored just three points in those drives. I want to talk about in a second, but first I want to give a shout out. Myron Monte Quinn, he doesn't get a lot of shout outs. I don't think on ESPN he should. He goes to Curry College. I'm not sure where Curry College is. Evan, look up for me where Curry College is.

[Myron Metcalf]

Curry.

[Matt Jones]

C U R R Y. Monte Quinn yesterday, 20 rushing attempts. What's the most yardage you think somebody with 20 rushing attempts could get? What if I told you 522 yards. Monte Curry. He's playing at that level. 20 current carries, 522 yards, seven touchdowns. That's my Matt Jones player of the week. Monty Quinn for Curry College.

[Myron Metcalf]

Oh, he had one of them schools where they don't check your birth certificate, right? Yeah, one of those places.

[Matt Jones]

Curry College. Would you. I just want to know what state it's in.

[Herm Edwards]

It's in Milton, Massachusetts.

[Matt Jones]

It's in Milton, Massachusetts. All right, well, big shout out. 522 yards. He's also one of those players that wears his shirt up like right under his chest so that his, his, his ab show when he's running. Those guys always intimidate me. And now you could see why. 520.

[Myron Metcalf]

Also probably 28. You just don't know it.

[Matt Jones]

It's all right. Curry College accepts all applicants. Luke Fickle. So. So it was just last week during this show or right after the show. James Franklin got fired. I have four contenders for potential guys who could get fired today. Literally today. Luke Fickle at Wisconsin, Billy Napier at Florida, who lost to Miss or who beat Mississippi State last night. Although the crowd chanted fire Napier during the game. Mike Norvell at Florida State lost last night in the middle of the night to Stanford. And then Hugh Freeze who lost to Missouri four straight, lost their own four and SEC play at Auburn. Which one do you think is most likely to get the hook today?

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, well, whoever's school has the money, right, because they all got some sizable bios. But I think it's Luke. Like, I mean, I'm from Wisconsin, parents with Wisconsin, all my friends went to Wisconsin. What I think rubs people the wrong way in this situation isn't just the losing. It's the out of town dude coming to a place that has played the same way for a long time. And then they say, no, no, no. I'm gonna show you all how to get hip with the times. Little Wisconsin, you all don't understand what's happening in the world around you. So I'm gonna introduce high speed Internet to you. I mean, that's kind of how we approach it.

[Matt Jones]

You don't want high speed Internet in Wisconsin.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, but listen, all I'm saying is, you know, sure, Kentucky's the same way. If you talk to people that way and you win big, people go you know what? This dude has some great ideas. We like him. If you do what Luke Fickler is doing, all of a sudden people go, wait a minute, that dude was talking down to us.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

People don't like solutions.

[Myron Metcalf]

As if he had the solutions. And now you're doing this. So you had a situation where Wisconsin could win 8, 9, 10 plus games every year, running the ball, playing the kind of defense they had. Jim Leonard was an alumni. Everyone wanted him to get the job. And you hire a guy who just isn't good enough to be a head coach at this level. They got to get rid of him.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I mean, the 27 straight offensive drives, three total points is probably enough to fire anybody. Right? I mean, I think just that, that, that alone, when that happens, I think, I think you're done. For me, it's probably going to be Hugh Freeze. I actually, again, this is with no sources, but it would not shock me if, if during this show we have breaking news that you Freeze is gonna be five. They're gonna probably let Church get out in Auburn. I think they're on Central time, so maybe it'll be like one or two o' clock Eastern. But the problem for Hugh Freeze is he loses every way imaginable. Right. Like he loses every single way of Matt. And it's always close. It's. They always have a lead in the fourth quarter and then they always blow it. He's basically won two, two conference games in two years. And they fell to Missouri last night in a game they should have won and they ended up blowing it at the end. And he's Hugh Freeze. So he's not a very likable dude to begin with. So that combination. If you're going to sell your soul for Hugh Freeze, then you Freeze at least needs to win. Myron.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. And he's at a school that will always think it's supposed to win. The way Alabama wins and the way Georgia wins.

[Matt Jones]

They have five straight. Listen to this. Five straight losing seasons in conference play in the sec.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, that's a problem because the things with those fans, when you have a fan base like that, that's one big. Occasionally those fans are going to want that every single year. And then here's the other thing. Auburn has real money. Like there's some real money around that program. So when you got real money being invested in this era and the results aren't there, that's where you really get into a lot of trouble. I think if you're a guy like.

[Matt Jones]

Who, you're exactly right they do have real money. And so that. That makes it even worse. And in the sec, which has so many powerful programs, and now you're seeing, you know, two years ago, Missouri won 10 games. Four years ago Kentucky won 10 games. Vandy is great this year, like, you got all these teams that have had runs during that whole period of time. Iron. Auburn's never been good. They have not been every team in the SEC. Think about this stat. In the last five years, every team in the SEC has won 10 games except Arkansas and Auburn. That's bad.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's amazing.

[Matt Jones]

If you're Auburn, that is terrible.

[Myron Metcalf]

And you have a fan base that thinks they're supposed to be Alabama when they're not even at the Kentucky, you know, dandy level.

[Matt Jones]

Right.

[Myron Metcalf]

They're not that. But I think the danger is why you gotta fire Hugh Freeze is in this climate, there are no more rules like Alabama and Georgia are going to be good forever. You know, Notre Dame and Ohio State, Michigan, they'll be good forever. But outside of that, man, there are no more guarantees. I think, in this landscape. And you're losing ground to teams in the next five years are going to continue to get good players. And now you're at the bottom of the sec. You got to fire Hugh Freeze to give yourself a chance to hit the reset.

[Matt Jones]

But what about Billy Napier at Florida? Who Reports came out this week he was going to be fired after this game against Mississippi State, and then he went out and won with his fan base chanting, fire Napier at him during the game. Can you fire a guy after he wins?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes. I mean, it doesn't happen. You can. I mean, you do anything you want. It's harder. But the fact that there were reports coming out that Florida was talking to their top boosters and not Billy Napier yet, I mean, that's a bad sign when there are meetings with boosters happening.

[Matt Jones]

Well, they have a buy next week. So if you were going to make a decision, this is the time to do it. But I don't know if you can do it after you win an SEC game when you still have a chance to have a pretty good season. Can you. Can you really fire him right then?

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, you can have a great date in a toxic relationship. You know, it doesn't change the relationship.

[Matt Jones]

I still feel like, though, if the date's good, you have to wait until a bad date.

[Myron Metcalf]

You could break up on the date if it's that bad.

[Matt Jones]

But it wasn't a bad date. It was a good date. Yeah, you can't like break it. You cannot break up mid makeout.

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[Myron Metcalf]

That's. That's a good vibe makeup.

[Matt Jones]

I don't think you can do that. We're going to turn our attention to the NFL. The Jaguars and the Rams are playing in London. Myron's breaking up with people while making out. It's Matt and Myron.

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[Myron Metcalf]

Matt and Myron the podcast.

[Matt Jones]

We are back in London for more NFL action this morning. Kind of been a dreadful start for the London home team of the Jacksonville Jaguars. They are losing at home right now or losing in London right now. 14 to nothing to the Rams. You know Jacksonville always seems to play their best in London. Not coming out today, they just missed a 50 yard field goal. J. Ram scored two early touchdowns. What's wrong with Jacksonville? Travis Hunter just had a pass interference field penalty. Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, I think it's the whole NFL, right? Like, I don't think there's anyone that's kind of stood out that you feel is, like, guaranteed super bowl favorite right now.

[Matt Jones]

It is interesting how, like, the whole league.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, there's. You have a Ravens team that's one in five. You have Bills and Eagles have lost two straight games. The Lions have taken losses that people didn't see coming. And then the Chiefs, while having played well in the last few weeks, started out owing to. This is the most open I can ever remember, the top of the NFL, don't you think?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. I mean, this is. This is one of those years where, like, somebody might sneak in, get that one super bowl. And, you know, in the Chiefs and the Buffalo Bills, all these teams that you have to go through year after year don't look great right now. So I think this is a stretch where you see, okay, is somebody going to emerge at this point? And I don't know who that is. Like, I don't know. Who's your super bowl favorite right now? I don't know who I would pick.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I mean, the thing is, I don't know that there's any team that I would look at and say, okay, I feel good about you winning the Super Bowl. I would say, to the extent that there's a favorite, I'm probably going to say the Chiefs, just because it's the Chiefs and they're probably clicking the most. But it is so weird to see, for instance, Myron, the Eagles and the Bills look so pedestrian in two straight weeks.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's very odd. And then even a team like Jacksonville, people are ready to say, this team is the one to beat. Defense is playing great. Trevor Lawrence looks the part. I mean, I can tell you the.

[Matt Jones]

One seeds would be the Colts and the Bucks. Would you pick any? Either of them?

[Myron Metcalf]

No. No. Because nobody believes in Daniel Jones more. Tampa Bay more. Right. I think more. There are more believers with Baker Mayfield and what he's doing, but nobody would pick Daniel Jones. If you, if you said, Daniel Jones doesn't lose another game and he's in the Super Bowl, I'm still not picking.

[Matt Jones]

So how long is he. So I was going to say, how long would it take you to believe in Daniel Jones? Is it just like you just can't?

[Myron Metcalf]

Even if he won a Super Bowl, I still think it was like a Nick Foles thing. It's hard because, again, but I mean.

[Matt Jones]

If he went to the super bowl, you would not even give him credit for winning the Super Bowl.

[Myron Metcalf]

It wouldn't, like, elevate him in my mind to, like, he's definitely a top seven or eight quarterback. Right. Like, we've just seen too many of the bad moments to assume that this is nothing more than a fluke.

[Matt Jones]

All right, so we'll ask. We've got Herm Edwards, our guy, ESPN NFL analyst, or as I like to call him, the great Herm Edwards, who's also late. Herm, nice to have you with me.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's not me, coach.

[Herm Edwards]

No, he has. But, you know, there's another show before yours, Christine Lisi, and I've known her for quite some time.

[Myron Metcalf]

Oh, she's the best.

[Matt Jones]

We love Christine Lecy.

[Herm Edwards]

You know, I'm sorry I'm late and.

[Matt Jones]

You know, that's all right. We love Christine. I just worry. I just worry that you're leaving us.

[Myron Metcalf]

No.

[Matt Jones]

In our broadcast, like, it's like your way of slowly breaking up with, no way.

[Herm Edwards]

I'm here. I'm here for you guys.

[Matt Jones]

You know, one day I'm gonna look and you're gonna be like, look, man, it's not me, it's you. No, no, no, no.

[Herm Edwards]

I ain't that kind of guy.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. All right, so let's talk about. We were just saying that it's not clear who is a Super bowl favorite. If you had to pick a team to win the super bowl today, I'm gonna pick the Chiefs just because I believe in Mahomes, but I wouldn't feel great about it. Who would you pick?

[Herm Edwards]

No, they're back offensively. They're there when, you know, they. They sent a statement when they beat up on Detroit.

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Herm Edwards]

It was intentional. And it wasn't one of those. That we're going to play soft. They played hardball. They ran the football with Jayco. They got their passing game going. The defense has been pretty consistent all year. So now all of a sudden they get another receiver back. So, yeah, they're the favorite in the clubhouse. I mean, look, there's some other teams that are sniffing around. I mean, is. Is. Is. Are the Colts for real? We're gonna find out here in the next couple weeks. Pittsburgh Steelers, all of a sudden, they came to. They. They came back to earth. Right. And then there's the pesky Patriots. We'll see. You know, I mean, they're playing much better. I mean, they're. They're kind of like one of those old Patriot teams.

[Matt Jones]

You know that now you're Picking them to win the division. No, no, no.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah, yeah. They got a shot. They got a shot. I mean, hopefully the jets can win a game. Miami's 1 in 5 and the Buffalo Bills are 4 and 2 and who've already lost at home to the New England Patriots.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, that's on that side.

[Herm Edwards]

Coaching okay.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

The Minnesota Vikings obviously have a quarterback challenge. Carson Winston, start again. J.J. mcCarthy still hurt, had a chance to go out and get Sam Donald, didn't want to pay him 30 plus million. Daniel Jones wanted more money. They didn't want to do that. Are we seeing a world coach where maybe sometimes there's too much money ball in these decisions, where the analytics guys maybe have too much of a role in decisions like this that seem obvious?

[Herm Edwards]

Well, I think they play a little bit of role, but at the end, I think hopefully these, these clubs that have made decisions. Look, one thing the NFL has is money. You can spend money. Hey, about the money. I mean, money's easy. It's. Does the guy fit? Is he the guy you want?

[Matt Jones]

Right.

[Herm Edwards]

Especially at quarterback, do you trust the guy? And at the head coach, if he's a play caller, you know, he has a lot to say in that. I mean, and there's no doubt about that, that at the end, hopefully the GM ain't picking who you pick. You know, the head coach got to be involved in this one because at the end, he's your guy. You're the one that's got to coach him. You're the one that's got to play with him. So I just think it's a field for, for guys when, when it comes to that quarterback thing, how they, why I took this guy compared to that other guy. I mean, that's just my opinion.

[Matt Jones]

It's Matt Myron, presented by Progressive Insurance. All right, so I, I, I kind of thought that when it came to quarterbacks, by year four, you kind of know. And then in the last few years, we've seen something that, I don't know, we've seen a lot in the NFL. Baker Mayfield switches teams, rejoin, rejuvenates his career. Sam Darnold is on a bunch of teams, ends up playing well with the Vikings, now playing well with the Seahawks. Daniel Jones goes from being tossed away from one of the worst teams in the league to now he's the 1 seed in the AFC. Is there a reason we're seeing this more often? And what do you think it is that can rejuvenate a Daniel Jones, a Baker Mayfield, a Sam Darnold in a new Situation.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, and we say this and we laugh when we say it, but I think it's true. Coaching matters. It just matters. Coaching player, it matters. And it really matters with the quarterback. Who's coaching the quarterback? What system are you running with this guy? And a lot of them, you know, it's system, it's system fed, you know, who's the quarterback? You're asking him to do things that he's incapable of doing. Are some guys not ready to play when they're asked to play early in their careers? And you get hardened when you fail. And there's two ways you go. You, you, you never recover or you do like the guys that have recovered. And so let me ask you a.

[Matt Jones]

Question on that point, Herb. When you were a head coach and let's say you had a very talented young quarterback. Yes. How were you? What did you look for in an OC or a play caller that you said, this is what I'm looking for? Cause I agree with you. And you know, Baker redid his career with Liam Cohen. I mean, everybody's kind of had their, their coach. What would you, what were you looking for in hiring that person?

[Herm Edwards]

That his system was flexible enough to, to fit the quarterback's needs, you know, and, and so when I went to, to the jets and I became the head coach there, it's kind of interesting. You know, I wanted to run the west coast system, right, Because I, you know, grew up playing against it. I knew how difficult it was. They ran the ball and, you know, they quick passes, got it out of their hand. And so we had Vinnie Testaverde, we had Chad Pennington. Now, Vinnie, Vinnie was good, he was older, but Vinnie, you know, he was a guy that could throw the ball down the field, where Chad Pennington, he fit the west coast system. Didn't have the strongest arm, but we weren't asking to throw a lot of go routes. It was a lot of inside breaks, timing routes, you know, and he was really good. He was really good at it. And so. And play action, pass. Right. So it just systems. And then sometimes when you have a different guy, you say, well, we gotta massage the system a little bit. For Vinnie, when we had chad, it was 100%, let's west coast, let's go.

[Myron Metcalf]

You have a situation where Tua comes out after the game and says, yeah, guys are late not doing their part. You know, Mike McDaniel says, Ah, I don't know if he should have said that. And then he kind of corrects it. How would you have handled that, Tua? Situation.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, I think coach makes it clear, and I think Tua's intentions were very good. But look, head coach, you know, he was on. You know, when you watch both of them, their intentions were good. But as a head coach, you don't need to explain what happened to the media.

[Myron Metcalf]

That.

[Herm Edwards]

That's it. That there's a saying, what we do here, what we say here stays here when we leave here.

[Myron Metcalf]

But don't the fans deserve that?

[Herm Edwards]

No, no, no.

[Myron Metcalf]

Don't the fans deserve what? Deserve to hear.

[Herm Edwards]

Just hear what?

[Myron Metcalf]

Deserve to know. Because if that's the team they're supporting and they're playing that way, deserve to know what's going on in the locker room to support the team. No. No.

[Matt Jones]

Are you kidding me?

[Herm Edwards]

Do you tell your neighbors.

[Matt Jones]

No.

[Herm Edwards]

Do you tell your. Do you tell your neighbors when your children do something about the neighbor's house? Oh, I'm gonna take them outside here and whip them with the switch.

[Matt Jones]

No, I'll handle my business in my house. My babysitter.

[Herm Edwards]

I don't care how much money you paying them fans, but I'm paying money.

[Myron Metcalf]

To support the team.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah, you know what? You better stop all that silliness. Anyway, look, all you need to know, we gonna show up with 11 on the field, and we'll be prepared to win games. That's what you need to know. Anything that happens in my house, it's in my house. It ain't going to your house.

[Matt Jones]

No verb.

[Herm Edwards]

It ain't going to the radio station, it ain't coming to espn.

[Matt Jones]

It's all public. Myron said made it public. Know anything?

[Herm Edwards]

No, you don't tell him, man, them dudes, I'm sitting here when both of them. I watch both of them, I say, what are you doing right now? You can't do this. This is a mess. You made it more. And then trying to clean it up. You can't clean it up, man.

[Matt Jones]

The problem is he's wearing those Capri pants all short up to his knees. Mikey, Daniel, Herm. Did you ever do that?

[Myron Metcalf]

Why?

[Matt Jones]

Why? Why wear those pants? Those, like, Capri. Like those Lululemons up to his calves. That's what Mike McDaniel's problem is. I never saw Herm Edwards do that.

[Herm Edwards]

You know what? Different fashion. Different fashion. You know, my fashion back in the day was the bell bottoms.

[Myron Metcalf]

Y' all know nothing about the bell.

[Matt Jones]

Did you wear bell bottoms on the sideline?

[Herm Edwards]

No, man, I didn't wear no bell bottom. I'm just saying that was the fashion when I grew up. The bell Bottoms man. You know, and old school.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, being old school. I, I, I, I think that, you.

[Herm Edwards]

Know what I always say about old school?

[Matt Jones]

What's that?

[Herm Edwards]

Just be from the right school.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's true.

[Herm Edwards]

You say what you want, just be from the right school. It doesn't matter what school you went, just be from the right one. Whether it was old school, new school. Just make sure you in the right class. Right?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, that's all. Like half a coach is having good phrases. Like, you got a lot of good phrases.

[Matt Jones]

I think that is true. Herm was made for. See, Herm, they screwed, they screwed you over by not having the post game locker room camera speech. I feel like you would have been the king of the post game locker room camera speech.

[Herm Edwards]

Let me tell you something. They got one and it's still lasting. It's the hell up.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Tua Tagovailoa]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

I ain't had to say. I haven't said that in 30 years. I have to say I didn't have to say. It just stands the test of time. It just sits there. It's just sitting out there. Right? I mean, I walk through the airport and the guys go, hey, coach, you. I don't want to hear it. I know what I said. Play the. When you get a little older, sometimes you forget about things.

[Matt Jones]

Is that like your ice ice baby? Where you're like, please stop saying that to me.

[Herm Edwards]

No, no, but here's bad part. When you do something like that, see?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

When, when I go home and I know I'm in trouble with my wife, first thing she says hello and I go, oh, you got in trouble.

[Matt Jones]

See, you're lucky you're not Jim Moore, cuz people just come up to him. Playoffs, like, you don't want to have that.

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[Herm Edwards]

I remember him too. But my wife, when she says hello, I'm in trouble. Oh, man, here we go.

[Matt Jones]

It is Herb Edwards on Matt Meyer, presented by Progressive Insurance. He may not be on time, but he always brings it when he comes. Herm, thank you very much.

[Herm Edwards]

Appreciate you both, men. Thank you.

[Matt Jones]

There you go. That's my man. Myron Metcalf acting like he needs to know what's happening in the locker room. Just sitting here getting. See, he's always nosy, getting in everybody's business. I am. I'm glad Herm told you. What's up. We'll do more from the NFL. We'll talk about tua. That's next here on Matt Meyer.

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[Matt Jones]

That's right, Matt Jones and Timu Barry White here presented by Progressive Insurance. Getting you ready for the smooth sounds of some NFL today. Martin, I got a text on the text machine I want to read you. Okay, Matt, I'm the dude with the late 70s black stepdad from LA. That's a funny start to a sense. Hold on.

[Myron Metcalf]

Does he walk into parties like that? Like he said.

[Matt Jones]

I have a late 70s black stepdad from LA. You, Myron and Herm need a show. ESPN should give you a show. You get the best out of Herman Myron by stirring the pot and then laughing like a cousin at the barbecue.

[Myron Metcalf]

Now we have a good time. I grew up with her like the Herm Edwards of the. I grew up, you know, with that. So I like, I just speak Herm.

[Matt Jones]

I. Herm is my favorite because Herm genuinely believes that he could lock down Jamar Chase today.

[Myron Metcalf]

You remember how mad you made him last year where you challenged whether or not. He could still play in the NFL.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I mean, I didn't think it was controversial to say a man in his mid to late 60s couldn't guard, but he, like, Jamar Chase, wouldn't be catching those passes on me. I like it.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think he said. I think he said he could have. He would have had like 15 picks like today's NFL.

[Matt Jones]

I love it. I love it.

[Myron Metcalf]

I love her, man.

[Matt Jones]

I do like starting to send it. So I'm the guy with a late 70s stepdad, black stepdad from LA.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's a lot to digest. You know, like, I don't really know.

[Matt Jones]

Just so you know. I'm sure I've met you, sir, but I don't process people by the age and race of their stepdads.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, that's. And that sounds like. Does the black stepdad know about this? Cause that sounds like that just became kind of like the, you know, the way you start a conversation.

[Matt Jones]

I tell you this himself to people.

[Myron Metcalf]

You can see, though it is unique.

[Matt Jones]

It is. You can tune in. Football action today. Chiefs host. The Raiders coverage begins at noon Eastern on select ESPN radio stations. Let's talk a little bit about the Dolphins two. I had a big week, you know, you know it's bad when you say something, you apologize, and then you might have to apologize for the apology. We had some of that this week. First of all, here's Tua after the game on Sunday, calling out some of his team bites.

[Tua Tagovailoa]

I think it starts with the leadership in, in helping articulate that for the guys. And then what we're expecting out of the guys, right? We're expecting this. Are we getting that? Are we not getting that? We have guys showing up to player only meetings late. Guys not showing up to player only meeting. Like there, there's a lot that goes into that. Do we have to make this mandatory? Do we not have to make this mandatory? So, so it, it's, it's a lot of, it's a lot of things of that nature that we got to get cleaned up. And it starts with the little things like that.

[Herm Edwards]

To be clear, you're saying some players.

[Myron Metcalf]

Were late or missed late.

[Tua Tagovailoa]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

All right. So he made sure to throw them under the bus there at the end. Also when he said leadership, you are the quarterback, my man. Just, just, just for note now, Lynn, later in the week, he apologized for those comments.

[Tua Tagovailoa]

As a leader of this team, of the Miami Dolphins, you know, the, the comments that, that had been said, I would say I've, I've made a mistake and I'm owning up to that right now. You know, I've talked to guys on the team about it, talked to the leaders about it, and you know, that they. They know my heart. They know that the intent was right. But no matter the intent, you know, the intent can be right. But when things get misconstrued or however the media wants to portray it, you know, that. That leaves a void of. Of silence and a lot of questions for the guys on our team. Now, being one in five, you know, we talk a lot about, all right, we. We got to get this going. We got to get this going. Come in, excited to go to work, forget about the noise. And I feel like I just added on to that for. For our guys.

[Matt Jones]

To quote Chris Rock, it ain't us, it's the media. I actually think it was him. What'd you think of all that, Myron?

[Myron Metcalf]

Do NFL players know what the word misconstrued means? Cause they say it a lot.

[Matt Jones]

They do. They say that out of context.

[Myron Metcalf]

A lot out of context. The media twisted my words literally. Those were your words, man. Own that. Like, I hate in those moments when it becomes all the media didn't know, you said your guys didn't show up to players only meetings. You said guys were late. You called on leadership, whoever that is, to be better. So I just hate when people walk stuff like that back. But to me, it doesn't start with two. It starts with Mike McDaniel. It starts with the idea that I think Tua realizes he has to be the guy to say those things because his coach isn't doing it. Like, he has to be the guy who says, all right, I'm going to act like a head coach and try to get under these guys skin a little bit. Because our head coaches back putting together his. That's what I call music 90s hip hop playlist.

[Matt Jones]

You know, you hate Mike, so for.

[Myron Metcalf]

Me, that is part of it. But I just hate the media's gonna twist it now. You said it, man. Just own it. To me, it looks worse when you try to walk it back.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I thought it was a bad look from Tua. I also. It was interesting. To me, it's gotten played out. Like he was talking like he was criticizing his teammates, which I guess he was, but I think he was also criticizing Mike McDaniel. Right. When you say the leadership, I mean, there's only two groups of people that can be the leadership, either the coaches or like two. Right. So he's not criticizing himself. I wouldn't think so. He's criticizing the coaches. It felt like to me, Myron.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes. And again, walking it back. And Mike McDaniel kind of called him out too, by the way, you know, and said, okay, I think he maybe said something he shouldn't have said. But somebody has to say something when the house is on fire. And Tua tried it, but don't blame the media because you all are a mess. I can't stand when people do that in life. Don't blame everybody else for your issues and your problems, man. Just own what you got going on.

[Matt Jones]

I love the whole. The phrase out of context has now been taken completely out of context because now the phrase out of context just means y' all are criticizing me. And I don't like that.

[Myron Metcalf]

And I. I don't like it.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, out of context. When I play your quote, it's impossible to take it out of context.

[Myron Metcalf]

There can't be anything more in context.

[Matt Jones]

It's literally in the context of the thing. I don't enjoy that. We saw some history once this weekend. Are we gonna see it again tonight? That's next. I'm Matt and Myron.

[Myron Metcalf]

Matt and Myron. The podcast.

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