Hour 2: Andy Staples Joins the Show

Summary

Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron

Episode: Hour 2: Andy Staples Joins the Show
Date: August 24, 2025
Hosts: Matt Jones & Myron Medcalf
Special Guest: Andy Staples (On3 Sports)

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Episode Overview

This episode is a lively ride through contemporary sports and culture, blending irreverent takes with insider perspectives. Jones and Medcalf dive into quirky sports headlines, debate the logic of high-stakes collectibles, laugh at their own misadventures, weigh in on NFL preseason storylines, and dissect seismic shifts in college football with guest Andy Staples. The episode closes on a hilarious, eyebrow-raising discussion about college football coaching culture, drawing from a bombshell new book.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Countdown to College Football and Tennis Tangent

00:33–02:03

• Matt and Myron open with anticipation for college football and the NFL kickoff, but quickly detour into the US Open.
• Myron: professes his appreciation for Aryna Sabalenka’s “grace,”
• Matt: shares an anecdote about Roger Federer saying “Go Cats” on his postgame show:

  “I just got on the show...‘go Cats.’ That was it. But you know, I still have the drop because it was one of my favorite moments.” (02:03)

Tone: Fun, light-hearted, and nostalgic.

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2. Sunday Headlines — Hobbies, Collectibles, and Judgment

02:49–07:12 | 14:20–16:38

The $12.9 Million Michael Jordan/Kobe Bryant Card

03:10–07:12; 14:20–16:38

• Headline prompts a sharp debate:
  • Matt: “That’s stupid...like, if you’re gonna spend $12.9 million on a card, just buy stock.” (03:23)
  • “As my grandfather would say, I think you got more money than sense.” (03:41)
  • Myron defends high-end collecting: “If that’s what you love, have at it.” (04:01)
  • Matt compares rare car collectors and shoe collectors: “If you have a 1968 Corvette and you don’t drive it...that’s also stupid.” (05:47)
  • Myron insists Matt is just as much a “collector” with shoes; Matt fires back: “Shoes are supposed to be worn. If I want to invest money, I’ll buy stocks.” (06:09)
• Return to topic after break, with listener feedback:
  • Matt: “If you’re taking up your free time to collect pieces of cardboard for $13 million...yes, that’s dorky in my opinion. Doesn’t mean you have to agree.” (15:37)
  • Myron: “Let them have fun, man. Let them enjoy.” (15:59)

Notable Quotes:

• “You call stuff ridiculous that you’re not into, but I think most people would see your collection and go, they wouldn’t wear 75% of those shoes.” —Myron (07:12)
• “You have 500 pairs of shoes. How many do you wear?” —Myron (06:25)
• “You have a grown man with a room full of shoes.” —Myron (16:16)

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3. Little League World Series: Joy, Pain, and NIL for Kids?

07:31–08:59

• Nevada beats Connecticut, will play Taiwan.
• Matt: rails against the tournament’s length, but admits the championship “is always fun.” He says, “The only problem is one set of kids end up crying.” (07:43)
• Myron: laments the format and kids’ heartbreak from long travel and losing early. Advocates for NIL-like compensation for Little League stars:

  “Can we get some nil deals for these kids? They’re the biggest thing happening in the summer.” (08:09)

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4. Tommy Fleetwood’s ‘Choking’ and Golf Pressure

09:02–11:50

• Matt: Details Fleetwood’s repeated failures to win on Sunday: “He has literally choked five times this year...He’s never won a tournament.” (09:02)
• Myron: Pushes back; calls golf intrinsically hard:

  “A lot of people who say ‘choke’ when it comes to golf haven’t played the sport. It’s meant for you to choke.” (10:17)

• Matt: Rooting for Fleetwood as an underdog; riffs on Scotty Scheffler’s minor arrest for humor.

  “Give me Tommy Fleetwood against the former criminal Scotty Scheffler. Myron. To win the tour championship.” (11:43)

• Myron: Jokes about promises Scheffler made in jail:

  “Listen, you protect me, and I’ll put some money on your book. Those dudes are still waiting for the Scottie Scheffler check to come.” (11:59)

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5. NFL Preseason Storylines and Jerry Jones’ Confusing Analogy

16:53–22:28

Shador Sanders and Rookie QB Scenarios

16:53–19:15

• Matt: Wonders if rookie Shador Sanders will start for the Cleveland Browns.
• Myron: “It’s hard for me to imagine that at this stage he starts a game based on what we’ve seen.” (17:47)
• Both agree Sanders is likely a backup, and only plays if injuries force the issue.

Jerry Jones on Micah Parsons' Negotiation: "Daddy and Mama"

19:36–22:28

• Jerry Jones uses a convoluted “Little Rascal/mama-daddy” analogy in negotiating with Micah Parsons, leading to much confusion and laughter.

  “How many times have you seen a little rascal so clever go in there and mama told him you’re not going to get it...” (19:36)

• Matt: “Sorry, stop right there. How many times have you seen the Little Rascal so clever? The answer is in 2025 for most people, Myron. Zero times.” (20:55)
• The hosts try to track Jones’ “who’s mama and who’s daddy” analogy, with much banter.
• Matt: jokes, “Here’s what I learned. Jerry wants Micah Parsons to call him mama.” (22:16)

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6. College Football Realignment & SEC Power Moves

24:08–35:59 (with Andy Staples)

SEC Moves to Nine Conference Games

24:27–26:14

• Matt: Suggests the SEC went to nine conference games to boost TV and playoff positioning.
• Andy: Confirms, also citing stale schedules and ticket sales; more high-profile matchups needed.

  “So a lot of schools were like, listen, our schedules are so stale. Can we please liven them up?” (24:59)

• Explains behind-the-scenes politics, resistance from schools like Kentucky and Mississippi State to more tough games (26:14).

Memories and Self-Deprecation

26:14–27:55

• Myron and Andy reminisce about both being injured in media basketball games.
• Matt: “Let me apologize to the baseball card collectors...These two guys got hurt in a media basketball game...I apologize to the baseball card collectors.” (27:37)

The Future of Playoff Access and Power Conferences

28:08–35:59

• Andy: Details how SEC & Big Ten structural changes are squeezing the ACC and Big 12; at-large playoff spots will be very limited for “left out” leagues.

  “If this works, it’ll keep them from doing the automatic bids.” (28:35)

• Myron: “If you’re fighting Mike Tyson every day...I think the strength of schedule is going to be so incredible in the Big Ten, in the SEC that those other leagues will not have a chance to compete.” (29:41)
• Andy: Reveals major programs might eventually break away to form a separate league—possibly of 40 to 70 teams—in football only, to maximize appeal and revenue:

  “I think they would just dissolve the leagues and reform as their own league.” (33:18)

• The trio wonders if schools like Kentucky, Mississippi State, or Vandy could be left out if selection is only by football value, though Andy notes basketball might remain separate to preserve the NCAA tournament (35:27).

Notable Quotes:

• "There's people right now...already working on this, who've been working on this for several years... Some say the magic number's 70, some say 48, some say 32." —Andy Staples (34:49)

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7. Viral Book Excerpt: Why Alabama Coaches Allegedly Call Saban "Daddy"

38:47–43:43

• Discussion of Seth Wickersham’s book ("Quarterback Kings") and its allegations about Alabama’s football staff.
  • In the context of handling pressure from Nick Saban, ex-Alabama assistant Pete Golding is quoted:

  “Daddy’s on me.” (40:38)

  • Staff regularly calling Saban “Daddy.”
• Matt: “But I can’t imagine calling anyone at ESPN Daddy. Myron, to keep your job, would you call Nick Saban Daddy?” (41:03)
• Myron: Cites a comedy bit:

  “Cedric the Entertainer said, ‘I'm not finna call another man Delicious’...I've always lived by that.” (41:12)

• Hilarity ensues as they debate whether (and how) assistants actually said this, and riff on college football’s uniquely bizarre culture.
  • Matt: “Just think it’s hilarious...football in general, this is macho culture...and then they’re like, but Daddy, no.” (42:39)
  • Myron: “I ain’t going to call another dude Delicious. That’s all I know.” (43:02)
  • Both incredulous that this story hasn’t gotten more attention.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “As my grandfather would say, I think you got more money than sense.” —Matt (03:41)
• “Shoes are supposed to be worn. If I want to invest money, I’ll buy stocks. I’m not going to buy a baseball card.” —Matt (06:09)
• “I'm not calling anybody any weird, odd name. It’s hard to know...but if that was the culture, it shows...college football culture...is pretty crazy.” —Myron (41:14)
• “This should be a bigger story. People...calling other grown men dad.” —Matt (43:43)
• “If you’re fighting Mike Tyson...the strength of schedule...those other leagues will not have a chance to compete.” —Myron (29:41)
• “You call stuff ridiculous that you’re not into, but I think most people would see your collection and go, they wouldn’t wear 75% of those shoes.” —Myron (07:12)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:33 — Episode opens, college football/NFL countdown
• 03:10 — $12.9M Jordan/Kobe card debate
• 06:25 — Shoe collecting parallels
• 07:31 — Little League World Series/NIL jokes
• 09:02 — Tommy Fleetwood “choking” discussion
• 14:20 — Listener reaction to card debate
• 16:53 — Shador Sanders/Browns scenario
• 19:36 — Jerry Jones’ “mama-daddy” analogy
• 24:08 — Andy Staples joins; SEC expansion discussion
• 26:14 — Media all-star game injuries
• 28:08 — Realignment & playoff access
• 33:18 — The “breakaway league” concept
• 38:47 — Book excerpt, Saban called “Daddy”
• 41:12 — Cedric the Entertainer’s “I’m not gonna call another man Delicious” reference
• 43:43 — Hosts agree the “Daddy” story should be bigger news

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Tone & Style

Irreverent, fast-paced, and self-deprecating. Matt and Myron blend genuine sports insight with comic asides, pop culture references, and recurring jabs at each other and the world of sports collectibles, fandom, and coaching egos.

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For New Listeners

This episode will keep you laughing and thinking, whether you're a sports junkie or just want commentary with bite. If you missed it:

• Expect debates about the line between quirky passion and foolish spending (collectibles, tennis, shoes, cars).
• Get deep-dive context on SEC and college football realignment, straight from a national reporter.
• Revel in the real, sometimes ridiculous, culture of sports—where even the most macho environments harbor, as Matt puts it, “grown men calling each other Daddy.”

Transcript

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[Myron Metcalf]

This is Matt and Myron the podcast.

[Matt Jones]

It is Sunday morning here, Matt Myron, on ESPN Radio. We are six days away from the kickoff of major college football. We are What, I guess 12 days away from the kickoff of the NFL. Are you feeling the excitement, Myron?

[Myron Metcalf]

I can't wait, man. I mean, you add this with college football kickoff and you've got stuff like the US Open and tennis today and.

[Matt Jones]

You'Re really excited about the US Open. You've brought the US Open up multiple times, you know, why are you so excited about that? I've never known you to be a tennis guy.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, I like, I like Sabalenka.

[Matt Jones]

Why do you like Sabalinka?

[Myron Metcalf]

There's a grace to her game that I appreciate.

[Matt Jones]

There's a grace. You like grace? Are you going to write a book like David Foster Wallace did about Roger Federer, about the grace of Sabalenka's game?

[Myron Metcalf]

Nah, it's just, it's just been cool to watch. I think Venus gotta buy like as a 45 year old.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. They don't get into, they don't do a buy.

[Myron Metcalf]

She got a wild. Something wild. Wild card. Yeah. Yeah. So. But now I like the US Open.

[Matt Jones]

Well, good. I didn't know you were gonna be so excited. You know, I covered the US Open for the Tennis Channel for three years. Three years. I spent two weeks, I'd get on the train to Queens every day and go out there. It was a lot of fun. And that was during the Federer Nadal kind of magical years. I really, I loved it. It was, it's, it's a very cool event.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, it looked, it looks cool. It's definitely on my, my bucket list.

[Matt Jones]

I did and I met Roger Federer once and I was doing my Kentucky Wildcat basketball post game show and he was just me and him in the players lounge. And I said, I went up to him and said, will you come on my UK basketball post game show? And he said, and say what? And I was like, I don't know. And he said, what's the nickname of the team? And I Said Cats. And so he just got on the show and went, go Cats. That was it. That's all he said. But you know, I still have the drop because it was one of my favorite moments. So Roger Federer is a nice guy, by the way. All right, let's. It is now time. You know, we can't just talk about the big stories. Can't just talk NFL and college football. We got to talk about everything else. So it's now time to do Sunday headlines.

[Andy Staples]

Extra, extra.

[Matt Jones]

Read all about it.

[Myron Metcalf]

The Sunday headlines.

[Matt Jones]

Tim's one of the few sports where the better the player, generally speaking, the nice, nicer they are. Like, Federer and Nadal were two of the nicest guys. It's a lot of the players aren't hurting.

[Myron Metcalf]

Nadal was jerks.

[Matt Jones]

Nadal. Federer and Nadal are two of the nicest players I encountered when I did it. All right, what's up first?

[Guest Contributor]

All right. Some people will consider this a holy grail, but a Michael Jordan Kobe card sold for a record $12.9 million.

[Matt Jones]

A Michael Jordan a card with both of them on it?

[Guest Contributor]

Yes, both of them on it.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I mean, that's stupid because who spending 12 point million dollars on a card to me is like the dumbest thing in the world. Like, if you're gonna spend $12.9 million on a card, just buy stock. Like, what are you gonna do with a 12.9 million dollar basketball card? I think that's really dumb. I like basketball cards and baseball cards just to like look at them. But, but if you're spending 12 point million dollars on something like that, as my grandfather would say, I think you got more money than sense.

[Myron Metcalf]

How dare you? I mean, if that's their passion and hobby, people spend money on Pokemon cards. If that's what you do, that's also stupid.

[Matt Jones]

I would argue that just as stupid.

[Myron Metcalf]

If that's what you love, have at it. If you've got the kind of money to give up. Let's be clear. This is not just a Michael Jordan Kobe card. This is a Michael Jordan Kobe card certified and autographed by those individuals. So in that community.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, no, it's a special card. Oh, it's certified.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's a special card. But like, see, here's the thing. You can't just knock something that you're not into because it's not your desperate do. That's fair.

[Matt Jones]

Like, it's like you. There's nothing wrong with collecting cards. I used to collect cards. What is Wrong is putting $12.9 million into a car what if you lose it?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. But also, you know, imagine the kids who grew up and they pulled some Kobe rookie card or some.

[Matt Jones]

That's what cards should be. This is a grown man with multimillion dollars buying it. I'm. For a kid pulling a Kobe card and going, wow, this is great. This is a grown man spending $12.9 million.

[Myron Metcalf]

Here's my point. You talk about stocks. These are the same kids who pulled those cards in the 90s. And now 30 years.

[Matt Jones]

You think these rich billion are just like the kids buying it at the.

[Myron Metcalf]

Shame that those guys. But I watched this guy who. He's a collector, and he streams from these, like, conferences, and he's always negotiating deals. It's guys our age, though, who. Who've been collecting cards for years, man. Let them.

[Matt Jones]

I can't believe you're. I can't believe you're defending this. Normally you would rail against people like this.

[Myron Metcalf]

Nah. I mean, I went to a car show last night, right? Where these guys had all these vintage cars, like all.

[Matt Jones]

That's different. That's different. But you can drive.

[Myron Metcalf]

But they're just sitting there, though. You can do something there, but you can do something.

[Matt Jones]

Drive it. You can't do anything.

[Myron Metcalf]

They're not driving a 1968 Corvette. They just. It's just sitting there. But that's what they love.

[Matt Jones]

Well, that's also stupid. I would argue if you have a 1968 Corvette and you don't drive it. No, I mean, it's like, you know, I like shoes. I collect shoes, but I wear them. What is the point of doing. Of having something where you can't do anything with it?

[Myron Metcalf]

But you're the only dude with your shoe collection who actually wears the shoes because nobody else.

[Matt Jones]

Shoes are supposed to be worn. If I want to invest money, I'll buy stocks. I'm not going to buy a baseball card. What's next?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I disagree.

[Guest Contributor]

I actually. I actually agree with Matt on this. I'm not buying a 12.9 million dollar card.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, come on.

[Myron Metcalf]

But how many pairs of shoes do you have?

[Matt Jones]

Ken?

[Myron Metcalf]

Myron's bougie.

[Guest Contributor]

I have about one.

[Matt Jones]

He starts flying first class, and now everything's about. Everything's all rich money thing to him.

[Myron Metcalf]

Hold on a second. You. You have 500 pairs of shoes. How many do you wear, Cam?

[Guest Contributor]

Uh, I rotate about 100 throughout the year.

[Matt Jones]

I wear all mine. I have 300 pairs. I've worn every single one of them. Just for the record, I wrote, I.

[Guest Contributor]

Rotate mine throughout the year, and I let.

[Matt Jones]

What do you mean why? Why would I buy shoes and not wear them?

[Myron Metcalf]

What is the point? Because that's the whole point.

[Matt Jones]

No, the whole point of a shoe, by definition, is to walk in.

[Myron Metcalf]

Now, you're a collector, Matt. You are the same as these trading Guard people. You just decide to.

[Matt Jones]

Where's the shot to use them for what it's for?

[Guest Contributor]

Yeah, I. I do have shoes I haven't worn, though.

[Matt Jones]

See? But that's also ridiculous to me. What? Well, all right. We got to move on. Myron's making.

[Myron Metcalf]

Do we have to move on? We're already here. At the end of the segment, you. I feel like you call stuff ridiculous that you're not into, but I think most people would see your collection and go, they wouldn't wear 75% of those shoes. They just enjoy the value of them.

[Matt Jones]

Well, those people are wrong. If you're gonna buy a pair of shoes, wear them.

[Andy Staples]

Go ahead.

[Matt Jones]

I want to get to the rest of this. What's next? All right.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right.

[Guest Contributor]

Nevada beat Connecticut in the Little League World Series to be crowned the US Champs and take on Chinese. I want to say it's right. Taipei. Right? Taipei.

[Matt Jones]

That's right.

[Guest Contributor]

In the 2025 title game. It's a Little League World Series.

[Myron Metcalf]

Just.

[Guest Contributor]

Just a little too long.

[Matt Jones]

Let me also say this. I'm saying Taiwan. The Little League World Series tries to keep China happy by saying Chinese. Taipei. I'm gonna say Taiwan. Taiwan is playing against Nevada. I'm. Listen, the Little League World Series goes on for approximately seven to 10 weeks. It is on television for so long, but the championship is always fun. The only problem is one set of kids end up crying. But do you enjoy watching the Little League World Series?

[Myron Metcalf]

I enjoy it. It is long. I do hate the emotions. Like, I hate when the Australian team flies, like, 28 hours and then they lose their first game. Like, that doesn't make me happy. Also, can we get some nil deals for these kids? They're the biggest thing happening in the summer. They're all stars. We know their names. Do listen, they should be getting compensated for this.

[Matt Jones]

Do you know their names?

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm a fan of their names.

[Matt Jones]

Are you. Do you have trading cards of the Little League World Series that you want to spend money on?

[Myron Metcalf]

No, I don't. But I do think getting the spotlight that they get, they should be getting.

[Matt Jones]

Myron has that IRMO, SC card that he's going to. He'll trade you. He will trade you for. For something else. Listen, I just. The lily. World Series is, except for when they kicked my friend Ryan out for running the bases during the offseason, I have no problem with the Little League World Series. What's next?

[Guest Contributor]

All right, well, Tommy Fleetwood choke again today.

[Matt Jones]

All right, so Tommy fleetwood in the FedEx championship. He has literally choked five times this year. He's. He's next to Scotty Scheffler. Probably played better golf over the course of the year than anyone, but he's never won a tournament. He's never won a tournament. And in the last few weeks, he has led by multiple shots on multiple final days and has yet to close it out. He is tied for the lead today. This is the Tour Championship. If he wins today, he'll be the 2025 Tour champion, even though he's never won a tournament before, which is a weird thing about the PGA system. But are you rooting for him? This guy, he breaks our heart week in and week out. Are you rooting for him to finally pull it out against the best field of. In the PGA Tour season?

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know that I'm actively rooting for him. I'm not rooting against him. I mean, at the end of the day, at that level, it's hard to do what he's done. It's not choking to me as much as it's. You're losing to the greatest golfer.

[Matt Jones]

A couple times he's choked. A couple of times he's choked. I mean, like, once Scotty came back and beat him, but most of the time it's been because, like, on the final day, he shoots plus three or something, and. And kind of chokes.

[Myron Metcalf]

But, I mean, I know you can say this, but a lot of people who say choke when it comes to golf haven't played the sport like it's a game that's really. You're. It's meant for you to choke. Like, that's the goal of the course, is to make you. Make you choke.

[Matt Jones]

Is it so?

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know. I have a lot of sympathy for the Tommy Fleetwood.

[Matt Jones]

Well, so if you have sympathy, I understand. Wouldn't you like to see him win? I mean, this would be a great Disney movie. He time and time again comes in the final round, leading, loses. Then he gets to the Tour Championship, and he's playing against the best golfers in the world, and then he finally comes through and gets his first win. Isn't that a great story? Isn't that what sports are?

[Myron Metcalf]

It is. I mean, in golf, I've only rooted for Tiger Woods.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, you rooted for Rory at the Mountain. I would say Rory was good. Yeah, Rory was cool.

[Myron Metcalf]

But again, there are. There are a lot of golfers who don't have Tommy Fleetwood's name, who can play good golf and then just disappear in the field and nobody cares. But that's the game I feel like.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I'm rooting for Tommy Fleetwood. I. He's got long. He's got, like, a mullet, which is nice.

[Myron Metcalf]

He does have a mullet. He does.

[Matt Jones]

He seems like a funny guy. And I've sat and watched him every week. It's like, oh, what's going to. He's. Tommy Fleetwood's going to lose again. It would be awesome to see when. Plus Scotty Scheffler. People forget he served time. We can't keep rooting for Scottie Scheffler. My man has served time. He violated the traffic laws of the city of Louisville, Kentucky, and now he's a hero. So give me Tommy Fleetwood against the former criminal Scotty Scheffler. Myron. To win the tour Championship.

[Myron Metcalf]

He still hasn't paid off those promises he made that day in jail. Like, it's. It's promise.

[Matt Jones]

That's a great point. He promised all those dudes he'd, like, get him tickets.

[Myron Metcalf]

Listen, you protect me, and I'll put some money on your book. Those dudes are still. They're still waiting for the Scottish Shepler check to come.

[Matt Jones]

Scotty, the putter was nice, but can we get something else? Yeah, I don't even play. That's this. Deeper headlines, but there. There's other stuff going on. We're gonna do some NFL storylines. Matt Jones, Myron Metcalf, and that hardened criminal Scotty Scheffler next here on Sunday Morning.

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[Matt Jones]

Matt and Myron the podcast these baseball card nerds are all up in my mentions on the K, on the Twitter, on KY Sports radio and then on the text machine you can write 772-774-5254. I just, let me just read you a couple of these baseball card bro. The Texan. This guy calls himself Texan in Acadiana says bro. You talk about sports, a game, and then you're talking trash about people with a hobby different than yours, at least they have a real job. Not talking about a game. First of all. Okay, first of all, Texan in a Catiana. Where? Where is that? First of all, if you're getting paid, it's a job and it's respectful. I have the luckiest job in the world. I just get to sit here and talk about sports. I don't even know anything. But if you're taking up your free time to collect pieces of cardboard for $13 million, like I don't care if you collect, but to pay $13 million? Yes, that's dorky in my opinion. Doesn't mean you have to agree, but jobs people have to do. You're voluntarily choosing your free time to collect cardboard. Myron. But.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, how does it hurt you though? Like that's my. But I can say it's let them live there. Let them have fun. There are people who are sports fans and feel like they're, they're.

[Matt Jones]

Myron, I'm not trying, I'm not trying to arrest these people. I'm just making fun of it for being dorky. I don't think they should do hard Time like Scotty Scheffler. I'm just saying they're dorky.

[Myron Metcalf]

But think about that. If you collect cards in any. You've been called dorky your entire life. And I was. I was a car collecting. I was a car guy. Like, you get called dorky your whole life, and now you're making a bunch of money on it. There's, like, a whole culture attached to it. Like, let them have fun, man. Let them enjoy.

[Matt Jones]

Matt, you are a grown man with a room full of shoes. Yeah, that's perfectly reasonable. Yes, it is, because you can wear shoes. You can go outside and wear shoes.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. I mean, their. Their lines to you aren't great. You know, I mean, it's not like that.

[Matt Jones]

I'm just.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know if they're helping their cause with some of the. Some of the. Exactly the lines.

[Matt Jones]

But you all are sending your lowest common denominators here to fly, and then that's. That's what ends up happening. All right, the NFL is coming up. I want to talk to you about a couple. A couple storylines here going into the year. Let's start with the Shador Sanders situation.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

We talked about what happened yesterday and them not using him for the final drive. So let's. Let me ask you this question. Does Shador Sanders start a game for the Cleveland Browns this season? Yes or no?

[Myron Metcalf]

I would say no. Like, it's hard to imagine that I'd say no because. Because he's just not gonna be good enough to do it. I mean, we got to talk about him making the roster first and foremost. Right?

[Matt Jones]

You ain't gonna make the roster.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I mean, what. That means Dylan Gabriel probably makes the roster. Flacco makes it. Kenny Pickett has been hurt, so I don't know what they do with him. But then you assume they had another healthy quarterback, let's say a Shador. I mean, because Tyler Huntley was a practice squad guy last year, does he play, like. I don't know, is he emergency quarterback? Is he actually suiting up on the sideline? So it's hard for me to imagine that at this stage he starts a game based on what we've seen.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, the most likely scenario for the Browns is you play Joe Flacco until you don't think you're going to the playoffs. Right. And then you switch to one of the rookies, and it looks like Dylan Gabriel is ahead of Shador Sanders. So presumably they're going to switch to Dylan Gabriel. Then if they make the switch to Dylan Gabriel, if you were to then replace him with Shador Sanders, you're basically giving up until then. Gabriel, a dude that is your third round pick. Which I don't see them doing. So the only scenario I can see Shador Sanders playing Myron is if someone is hurt. Honestly, the only way I can see it is if. Is if Dylan Gabriel is hurt. Because otherwise I think you're basically giving up on him. And I don't think teams want to do that halfway through their first year.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, and again, we got to go back to where he was picked. Like we're talking about him like he was picked in the first round and like somehow the Browns aren't using him the way that they should. He was a fifth round pick. Most fifth round picks don't play. There's been one fifth round pick in NFL history who made it to a Pro Bowl. Pro Bowl. That was Mark Brunel in the late 90s with the Jags. It's never happened with any other quarterback. Only two fifth round picks who were quarterbacks have thrown for over 10,000 yards in their career. Like, they picked them in the fifth round because they didn't believe he could be a starter. They hoped that they might get lucky, but it's not like they thought he was guaranteed going to be a part of their rotation.

[Matt Jones]

So. So I think the answer. I'm with you. I think the answer is he probably does not play. I do think he makes the team, but I think he probably doesn't play. Stephen A. Smith has a podcast. In between talking about JD Vance and tax regulations, he had Jerry Jones on to talk about the Micah negotiations. And here's what Jerry Jones had to.

[Jerry Jones]

Say in the spirit of not doing the old mother dad deal. How many times have you seen a little rascal so clever go in there and mama told him, you're not going to get it, and goes in to Daddy, who only sees him at after 5 in the afternoon, wants to love him and says, you can have it, son. You can have that before dinner. And he goes back in and says, mama, Daddy said I could have. That's the old mom dad been around since the beginning of time. I'm not going to go for that here. That's what's happening. You're not going for it? I'm not going for it. No, no. But we've had a very, very strong negotiation now, by the way. Frankly, it wouldn't have made any difference what the negotiation was. Guess who has to be comfortable for this to work? Micah. And who else?

[Andy Staples]

You.

[Jerry Jones]

Hello, there's not room for a third. There's not room for a third.

[Matt Jones]

I don't even know what to say. First of all, that was the first time I heard that. When is the last time someone has referenced the Little Rascals? Like. Like, seriously, Jerry is acting like Jerry started that play the beginning. Does he say everybody knows the Little Rascals play that right at the beginning.

[Jerry Jones]

And the spirit of not doing the old mother dad deal. How many times have you seen the Little Rascal so clever Go in there.

[Matt Jones]

Sorry, stop right there. How many times have you seen the Little Rascal so clever? The answer is in 2025 for most people, Myron. Zero times. Right?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. I mean, Jerry is agent dating himself, I think too.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, Jerry, the Little Rascals.

[Myron Metcalf]

His next line was going to be. Well, it's just like MLK used to say.

[Matt Jones]

MLK is much more recent than the Little Rascals. A rascal. I mean, he's gonna be like. It's like William Howard Taft always says. Like, come on, Jerry, what are you talking about?

[Myron Metcalf]

And who's the mama and daddy in this scenario? That's the part. Who's mama and who's daddy In. In all this and what he's describing? I think Jerry.

[Matt Jones]

I think Jerry there only can be who. Who's mama, but who's mama.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think it's Jerry because Jerry says no, but then he goes to the agent.

[Matt Jones]

So Jerry go to the agent. Is daddy okay?

[Myron Metcalf]

But like, Jerry's the only one that can pay him, though.

[Matt Jones]

So who is.

[Myron Metcalf]

Who's. Who's.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. So if Jerry's mama, who's daddy?

[Myron Metcalf]

The agent. I don't.

[Matt Jones]

But the daddy.

[Myron Metcalf]

But agent can't pay him. The agent can't. But the agent is telling him what he wants.

[Guest Contributor]

Jerry is the pops. The agent is the mama.

[Myron Metcalf]

I guess there's a lot going on in that. In that.

[Guest Contributor]

A lot of stuff going on.

[Matt Jones]

Here's what I learned. Jerry wants Michael Parsons to call him mama. That's what I heard from that. I don't know anything else, but I think Jerry wants Micah to call him mom.

[Andy Staples]

Stop.

[Matt Jones]

College football. Can't do that.

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[Myron Metcalf]

Matt and Myron.

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[Andy Staples]

We do get along, Matt. Every time we've been together, we've gotten along.

[Matt Jones]

I know. I'm just saying, like, you have a show. I mean, I've asked you on this one. I've never been on yours. But that's okay because Andy, I think you're still.

[Andy Staples]

Back up. You're a very hard man to get to book.

[Matt Jones]

You're very true. I usually say no to everybody.

[Andy Staples]

A lot of, a lot of irons in the fire. So that's right.

[Matt Jones]

That's okay. Well, Andy, let's talk a little college sports. I know you agree with me that the, the SEC is the place to be and now there will be one more game for you to watch in the sec. I kind of think they went to nine and he just is like the final thing to get the playoff to 16 or more. Do you agree with that analysis?

[Andy Staples]

I think that's ultimately why they did it. There's also a selling tickets component to it because this got proposed in 2019 by Texas a and M and it's basically like this. They were about to go to play Georgia for the first time as a member of the sec and they'd been in the league seven years and to to kind of show you where that where that's at. Georgia still has never played at Kyle Field and Texas A and M has now been in the SEC for 12 years. So a lot of schools were like, listen, our schedules are so stale. Can we please liven them up? Can we do something to get more of the league through our stadiums and Then when they found out Oklahoma, Texas going to join, they're like, okay, we definitely want Oklahoma, Texas coming through our stadiums. But then it's sort of more because you had situations where, like, Kentucky, Mississippi State, they didn't want to add a ninth game because that's. That's maybe another loss, and they try to schedule for bowl eligibility. So you had that fight. Then you know, who are the three permanent opponents going to be? And Nick Saban didn't like that. It was going to be Auburn, Tennessee, and LSU for Alabama, which was one of the. One of the ones they were kicking around. And he had always been in favor of nine conference games, but he didn't like it because he felt like that was unfair to Alabama. So you had these different arguments, and then it sort of morphed into the Big Ten saying, well, if you go to nine games, we'll consider the playoff format you like. And Greg think he's like, cool. I want to go to nine games anyway, and ESPN will pay me extra for it. Let's do that.

[Myron Metcalf]

Andy, I know Matt said that, you know, he doesn't necessarily know you. We played in a media Final Four game, I believe. Right. Do we. Was that some years ago?

[Andy Staples]

We did. We did. I'm glad you. I hope you were not at the 1. I dislocated my finger, hopefully.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, you are the old guys that got hurt at these. At these games.

[Myron Metcalf]

I got hurt at one of them.

[Matt Jones]

You both got hurt at one of them.

[Andy Staples]

I went to the emergency room in Indianapolis, and the guy looks at me and goes, you have insurance. Why are you here?

[Myron Metcalf]

We both, Andy and I in the same game because you remember, I went to Urgent Care. It actually ran into Matt Painter for some weird reason at Urgent Care. So wait a minute.

[Matt Jones]

Before y' all start telling your little war stories, you're telling me the two of you played in a media All Star game and both of you ended up in Urgent Care.

[Andy Staples]

I. I don't know that we both got hurt the same game. Was this. Were you in Indy when he got hurt?

[Myron Metcalf]

I was. I was in Indy. I went out and then they told me after I got there that you had gotten hurt, too, because I got hurt by.

[Andy Staples]

Yeah, it was a shoot around and a ball hit a ball that, you know, wait a minute, hang on.

[Matt Jones]

You got hurt in one shoot around. You got hurt in shoot around. You didn't get hurt in the game. You got hurt in the shooter.

[Andy Staples]

And I wasn't even old at this point, Matt. Like, yeah, at this point. I'm 28 years old.

[Matt Jones]

Like, oh, my goodness. Let me. First of all, let me apologize to the baseball card collectors earlier when I said y' all were the dorkiest thing I'd ever heard. These two guys got hurt in a media basketball game, one of which Myron was at. Shoot around. I apologize to the baseball card.

[Myron Metcalf]

Listen, we get after it. We get after it out there. So. So, you know the SEC games, I.

[Andy Staples]

Don'T know if you played like. We played a great one at Tulane the year. Kentucky, New Orleans. That was a fantastic set of games.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, we know we played some good runs. Back to football. SEC expanded schedule. What should the other leagues think about their future? And the SEC going to nine. The Big Ten going to nine. Obviously expanded playoff, where it feels like that's just going to be the Big Ten. SEC Invitational. If you're in the ACC or the Big 12, what hope should you have about your opportunity to compete for a national championship in the future?

[Andy Staples]

Well, you should be thanking the SEC because if this works, it'll keep them from doing the automatic bids. And it's interesting because it's sort of counterintuitive with the Big 12 and the ACC coming out against getting two automatic bids for themselves because that actually guarantees them two spots where they might not get two spots.

[Matt Jones]

Yes, absolutely.

[Andy Staples]

But. But you do not want to sign off on something that says you are. You are half of these other leagues. You are worth half of these other. Don't codify that.

[Matt Jones]

Well, they are. I mean, like, why can't they accept it, Andy? I mean, there comes a point if they. I'm with you. If they really put this up to where you just take the best teams, there's going to be years like. Like where the league. Last year, the Big 12 would only got one.

[Andy Staples]

You can't codify it, though, if you're them, because that means next time they're going to take more away from you.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, you might be right, but I just feel like the big.

[Myron Metcalf]

Hold on a second.

[Andy Staples]

This gives you a chance to fight. That's all it is. It's a ch. Chance to fight. And I appreciate that attitude.

[Myron Metcalf]

But, Andy, if you're fighting Mike Tyson, I mean, every day like that, to me is. The challenge is. I think the strength of schedule is going to be so incredible in the Big Ten, in the sec that those other leagues will not have a chance to compete. And that's going to be such an important factor in those teams getting those at large bursts. How do they overcome that?

[Andy Staples]

Well, it's not an accident that Clemson just scheduled Notre Dame for 11 years straight and isn't taking away the South Carolina series like they're, they're trying to schedule up because they see what's coming. That's, that's the thing. Like I had an SEC athletic director text me this after the nine game decision was made, said, you know what, what do you, what's your analysis of this? I said, I said, you're preparing for a world where everybody plays 12 hard games. And he's like, yep, but isn't that.

[Matt Jones]

Good, isn't that good for the sport? I mean, I think on the sport.

[Andy Staples]

For the SEC and the Big Ten teams, it's probably not good for the ACC and Big 12 teams that won't, won't get through the velvet rope when, when the great calling happens, whenever that happens.

[Matt Jones]

Do you think, do you think what they're going to do? So like they have the non SEC games, then they have the requirement, you play one good non conference game. I assume, you know, Kentucky's gonna play Louisville, Georgia's gonna play Georgia Tech, Florida's gonna play Florida State. Are you saying that you think they'll add the sec, Big Ten playing each other series to that as well?

[Andy Staples]

I think so. I think that's the plan. I think it's going to be the next step is 11 power conference games for those leagues and then it'll morph to 12 when, when they decide who gets in the club.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, but it's. While I understand what you're saying, it's hard for me to argue as a college football fan, why do we see Alabama play Louisiana Monroe?

[Andy Staples]

We don't. And that's the thing. The Alabama, Louisiana, Monroe, all of those types of games were a product of the BCS 14 playoff where being undefeated was more important than anything else. And now that it's not going to be important because I mean what Oregon did last year was pretty amazing. I don't think we're going to see that very often anymore. Going into feed is going to be very, very hard. So now we're going to have to figure out how to parse between one loss, two loss, three loss teams because teams are going to play harder schedules.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, but, but we're not going to parse between them because we're going to say the Big Ten one loss, two loss teams, the SEC one loss, two loss teams are stronger than the others in the ACC, in the Big 12. I think that to me is, is part of the concern if you're outside of those. But they are we headed Andy.

[Matt Jones]

But they are.

[Myron Metcalf]

We had this.

[Matt Jones]

Aren't they firing?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I, I think in. In the setup that's coming, it'll be hard to overcome that. Are we headed, Andy, to a world. And we talked about this as expansion first started. Are we on our way to the Big Ten in the sec literally being the only two leagues in major college sports, if they add a few more teams in the ACC from the Big 12.

[Andy Staples]

I'm not sure it's going to happen that way, Myron. I always thought it would. And then the last couple years, I've kind of realized how. How it happens. It doesn't happen that way where the SEC and the Big Ten get together and say we're. We're one thing. Now we're the AFC and the nfc and we'll take. We'll cherry pick a couple more. It happens where Ohio State and Alabama and Michigan and LSU all get together and go, you know, I'm not sure we need Purdue and Vanderbilt this.

[Matt Jones]

So you think they could, like, kick teams out?

[Andy Staples]

I. I think they would just dissolve the leagues and reform as their own league.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, wow. Yeah, I think there'd be a lot of pushback to that, especially in the South. I mean, I think.

[Andy Staples]

Well, you're.

[Matt Jones]

You're.

[Andy Staples]

You're a lawyer, Matt. There's more legal pushback if you try to kick people out of the league.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I just. I mean, I've always thought this. Okay, so I can just look at the sec. I've always thought there were a few schools that are lucky to be there. Like Mississippi State should thank the Lord they're in it. Vandy is in it. Vandy's in it because they need a private school so they don't have to publicly release the amount of money they make. Right. So that's why Vandy's in. And I don't. I think they'll always be in because of that. But, like, Mississippi State needs to, like, pray every night that things stay together. But then you keep Mississippi State out and you keep Ole Miss, then the Mississippi legislature gets involved. I just think it would be hard, Andy, to get rid of.

[Andy Staples]

You're not. But that's the thing. You're not kicking anybody out. If a group of schools goes off, decided to do their own thing, nobody's getting kicked out of anything.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Andy Staples]

Somebody's just making a new thing.

[Matt Jones]

Well, it's interesting.

[Andy Staples]

Those might all. They might all get in. That's. That's the other thing. We don't know what the. What the magic number is.

[Matt Jones]

So you're saying they might do like a 40 team league and say this is what it is.

[Andy Staples]

Yeah. I mean, because we don't know. There's. There's people right now who are already working on this, who've been working on this for several years. And there's some people who say the magic numbers, like 70, some who say it's 48, some who say it's 32. It just depends on who ends up winning this thing.

[Matt Jones]

Wow. Well, wow. That's. I mean, that's sobering. But I also could see it. I mean, I think if you. Andy. And I'll finish with this. If I were a conference, if you were going to do that, wouldn't you just say, let's take the teams? I mean, because really we're talking. I think. Do you think there are now only four sport? I. I know college football matters more than anything. Then I think basketball second and then maybe like women's basketball, baseball. Do you think it's like you just create a league that has all the four programs that mat all the programs that matter in those four sports and tell everybody else, well, good luck.

[Andy Staples]

I would just do football because I think that would, that would keep the basketball turn. Because the basketball tournament is a truly valuable commodity. It's the best tournament in American sports and you probably want to keep it similar to what it is now. So if I were to create my, you know, go off and create your own thing. Just create your own thing in football and let basketball that.

[Matt Jones]

Andy. Because I think Kentucky would get left out if it was only football. That would disappoint me. Andy Staples on three Sports reporter, thank you very much for your time. We appreciate it.

[Andy Staples]

Thanks, guys.

[Matt Jones]

There you go. See, we. I like. We like him, right? I can't believe you.

[Myron Metcalf]

I never heard some sobering thoughts though, man.

[Matt Jones]

I never had heard you got hurt playing in a media turn.

[Myron Metcalf]

And I go to urgent care and Matt Painter, the Purdue head coach, is there and he's like, why are you here?

[Matt Jones]

What did he do?

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know. Something. I don't remember. Something maybe with a. I don't remember. But he's like, why are you here? I'm like, I got hurt.

[Matt Jones]

You got hurt in the game and not in the shoot around like Mandy. Like Andy. That one's even worse. It is time to give our reaction. Okay, let me just. I'm just gonna put it like this. Would you as a grown man call a college football coach daddy? Specifically, would you call Nick Saban daddy? Well, a new book has come out to Say that there are lots of college football coaches that called Nick Saban daddy. We'll explain why next.

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[Myron Metcalf]

Matt and Myron the Podcast.

[Matt Jones]

I think Myron and I are in our zone where we're making fun of coaches and talk about 90s hip hop. I think that's what you. That's where we're good. I stopped listening about 2001, so that's, that's what it's good. Sunday mornings, presented by insurance, they offer auto, home and commercial auto insurance. Visit progressive.com we have some breaking news. Tampa Bay has cut announced they have waived Shiloh Sanders. He has been waived after his fight yesterday in a preseason game. The other Sanders brother is no longer going to be on Tampa Bay. Thoughts?

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, it threw a punch in front of a ref and got ejected. I mean, that's not a great way to help your cause. I mean, it may have happened either way, but that, I'm sure I didn't.

[Matt Jones]

That made it easy. If it was a close call, that made it easy. All right, so I want to, Seth Wickersham has a new book. I believe it's called. Is it called Quarterback? Is that what it's called?

[Myron Metcalf]

Quarterback Kings?

[Matt Jones]

I believe Quarterback Kings. And it's about sort of the rise of quarterbacks. And there is a, there's a section, a little excerpt that has two parts that are newsworthy. Now you could argue that from an actual news standpoint, one part is more worthy than other. There's a part where they're talking about when Arch Manning was being recruited and Wicker Shamp says that Golding, what's, what's Coach Golding's first name? Well, he's an assistant for Alabama. I don't know his first name. I'm sorry but we'll just call him Coach Golding. He is recruiting Arch Manning via a Zoom. And in it he said to Arch Manning he was talking about alligator Alabama schemes and culture. Then Texas came up who was recruiting Arch and he says about Nick Sarkeesian. Quote, I love Sark. He's my best friend. I hope he can stay sober. Pretty awful thing to say about your your best friend and sort of low in recruiting. So that's the newsworthy thing. I think Alabama and Texas fan shows and message boards are talking about that, but that's not what interested me most. When the Zoom call was over, one of the other assistants looked at Coach Golding and was and said why did you say that? That's blanked up. And then Coach Golding said he had no choice. Quote, daddy's on me. Talking about Nick Saban. Let me read that sentence again. Daddy's on me. At which point later it is said that the assistant coaches at Alabama would call Nick Saban Daddy.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Now I will do a lot of things to keep my job, but I can't imagine calling anyone at ESPN Daddy. Myron, to keep your job, would you call Nick Saban Daddy?

[Myron Metcalf]

The original Kings of Comedy came out, I believe in the year 2000.

[Matt Jones]

You're going to talk about Prince.

[Myron Metcalf]

Cedric the Entertainer said, I'm not finna call another man Delicious.

[Matt Jones]

Delicious. Sorry, Delicious.

[Myron Metcalf]

What if he's down the street? So I've always lived by that. You know, I'm not calling anybody any weird odd name. It's hard to know. Again, these are all allegedly right. But if that was the culture, it also shows you, Matt, and a lot of people don't realize this. You do. Being in the sec, college football culture in general is pretty crazy. Like if you were sitting around like a college football staff or a college football team, you'd see a lot of bizarre stuff like that doesn't translate to the real world because college football is kind of its own world. But even within that the idea that someone was calling Nick Saban Daddy in.

[Matt Jones]

The assistance names, he looked at the other assistants like it was perfectly reasonable.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

And said daddy's on Daddy's.

[Myron Metcalf]

Daddy's. I mean that's, that's a grown man. I ain't going to call another dude Delicious. That's all I know.

[Matt Jones]

So you wouldn't call like. Well, I'm not even going to say you wouldn't call.

[Myron Metcalf]

I live by what said at the Entertainer said. Here's the thing. Here's another fun fact, Matt. So Pete Golding is The name of the assistant.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, right.

[Myron Metcalf]

And now he's at. I believe he's at Ole Miss. But he was at Alabama in those years.

[Matt Jones]

Daddy.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, I don't know. So his real name is Stephen Thomas Golding, but he goes by Pete.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, that's not. Oh, well.

[Myron Metcalf]

So.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, well, delicious. Delicious. Daddy. I just think it's hilarious, the idea, you know, college football, football in general, this is macho culture. Like, right. Like everybody's got to be so alpha, I'm gonna hit you in the face. I'm masculine. And then they're like, but Daddy, no.

[Myron Metcalf]

Hold on, hold on, man. Hold on. I don't.

[Matt Jones]

Hold on, man.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think you describing. I don't know that that's how they. I don't know how they said it, but I don't think they said it like that.

[Matt Jones]

What is it? What is the other to.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know. I gotta be honest.

[Matt Jones]

I don't wanna know a tone of voice where you look at. First of all, I can't imagine Nick Saban wants to be called Daddy in that context.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know.

[Matt Jones]

I can't.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know what's going on. I gotta leave the room when it happens.

[Matt Jones]

Should have gotten a lot more attention. This got on Twitter and somehow it got escaped.

[Myron Metcalf]

This should be a bigger story and call. Well, maybe people out there calling other grown men dad.

[Matt Jones]

This should be a bigger story. Sunday morning is presented by Progressive Insurance. They offer auto, home and commercial auto insurance. Visit progressive.com I'm just saying people. Daddy at Alabama, Dad.

[Myron Metcalf]

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[Jerry Jones]

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