Hour 2: Everybody Hates Draymond

Summary

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Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron — Hour 2: Everybody Hates Draymond (May 10, 2026)

Hosts: Myron Medcalf & Matt Jones (ESPN Radio)
Episode Theme: An irreverent dive into the quirks, oddities, and headlines of the sports world—from MLB's most surprising stats, to NBA playoff dynamics, to wrestling and broadcast personalities. With caller engagement and playful banter, Matt and Myron tackle everything from personal athletic delusions to the public images of sports figures like Draymond Green and Charles Barkley.

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Main Theme

This hour of the podcast is a lively mix of baseball oddities, NBA playoff coverage, TV sports personalities, and audience engagement—anchored by the hosts’ signature back-and-forth and sharp humor. Central to the episode is a debate over athletic possibility (can Myron throw 80 mph after training?), the peculiarities of MLB's current season, the return of Skip Bayless to First Take, NBA playoff insights (with special attention to the Knicks, Sixers, and Karl-Anthony Towns), and a deep-dive into why Draymond Green can’t get away with what makes Charles Barkley beloved.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Baseball's Quirks and Surprises

• MLB Standings Oddities

  • Only three AL teams above .500 (Tampa Bay, Cleveland, Athletics), while every NL Central team is above .500 (02:11–02:55).
  • The Athletics' odd "homelessness"—even the hosts can't guess where they currently play. Turns out, it’s Sacramento, but they don’t claim the city (03:07–05:03).
    • Memorable moment: Myron’s string of failed “San” city guesses.
    • "If the Athletics are like, 'We're too good to claim you,' that wouldn't feel good as a city." — Myron (05:41)

• Jacob Mizorowski’s Record-Breaking Velocity

  • Mizorowski (Brewers pitcher) threw 10 pitches at 103+ mph, owns all 60 fastest pitches this year, and is one of just two people in history with a pitch in the top 100 fastest (Hunter Greene is the other). (06:07–08:12)
    • "The 100 fastest pitches in the history of baseball have been thrown by two people." — Matt (07:32)
    • "To watch an individual hit almost 104 miles an hour on the gun doesn't even seem human." — Myron (07:47)

• Cubs & Reds Streaks

  • Cubs: Two 10-game win streaks in 40 games—first time since 1935 (08:42–09:20).
  • Reds: Started the season with 12 straight one-run wins, then lost four straight one-run games (09:25–10:15).
    • "Numbers usually even out for teams in those situations." — Myron (10:11)

• Can Myron Throw 80mph?

  • An extended—and hilarious—bickering about whether Myron could throw a baseball 80mph with four summers of training. Callers weigh in, most doubting it, except for "Danielle in Maryland the Zumba star." (10:22–13:46, 37:13–41:47)
    • "If somebody trained, trained, who's training you?" — Matt (10:32)
    • "Older people are doing stuff now. 40 is the new 25." — Myron (32:50)
    • Ongoing banter about "Cookie"/"Cookies" as Myron’s unwanted nickname.

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2. Sunday Headlines: Sports Media, Golf, and WWE

• Skip Bayless Returns to First Take (14:11–15:33)

  • Hosts discuss Skip’s return alongside Stephen A. Smith, noting it feels nostalgic but also forced (with topics like Tim Tebow).
    • "He does social media videos like they're actual television segments." — Matt (15:12)
    • "It was cool for them to maybe bury the rumors about whether or not there was a rift." — Myron (14:25)

• National Golf Day/Mother’s Day Mix-Up (16:02–16:51)

  • Bemused discussion over poor timing of National Golf Day coinciding with Mother's Day.
    • "There's a dude right now who's going to be like, 'Happy Mother's Day...I'm going to go play with the buddies.'" — Myron (16:51)
    • "She's filing the papers Monday morning." — Myron (16:59)

• PGA Tour: LIV Golf Turbulence (17:09–18:03)

  • Rory McIlroy's confidence vs. Bryson DeChambeau’s bravado about LIV golfers potentially returning.
    • "Roy's talking like winners talk...DeChambeau on YouTube. That'll be fun." — Myron (17:31)
    • "Well, then stay on YouTube." — Matt (17:43)

• WWE Backlash Recap (18:24–20:40)

  • Focus on Danhausen's "Minnihausen" tag team partner—hosts muse on the line between treating wrestling as real versus simply being entertained.
    • "Are we supposed to treat this like this is real?" — Matt (19:24)
    • "Make sure you have all the right colors on there." — Myron (20:40) (on painting your face like Danhausen)

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3. NBA Playoffs Deep-Dive: Knicks vs. Sixers & Karl-Anthony Towns

Knicks-Sixers Game 4 Preview

Guest: Mark Kestecher, ESPN Radio play-by-play (24:35–31:48)

• Knicks up 3–0. OG Anunoby questionable with minor hamstring strain (24:06).

• Philly's struggles: competitive, but can't finish; Knicks D is suffocating (24:53).

• Karl-Anthony Towns’ postseason emergence:

  • "He seems more comfortable to me in this playoffs than I’ve seen him in his entire career." — Matt (26:45)
  • "It seems like this is the most confidence I've certainly seen him play…having the ball in his hand so much on offense." — Kestecher (27:16)

• On OG Anunoby's value and availability:

  • "He just covers end line to end line. He's such a tough defender...it's the well all-around balanced game, and especially on the offensive end." — Kestecher (28:30)
  • Coaches usually want to finish series quickly for rest, rather than string things out.

• Philly’s home court being overtaken by Knicks fans:

  • "It just feels like, you know, there's a little more apathy to the (Sixers) fanbase than I would have expected getting this part." — Kestecher (30:38)

• Notable quote on Myron’s 80mph claim:

  • "I see Myron throwing the pitch; it says 60, he slumps his shoulders, walks away, the 6 fills in, 80." — Kestecher (31:48)

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4. Callers Decide: Can Myron Hit 80mph? (Part 2)

• Near-unanimous skepticism from callers (Lucas, Barry, Ryan) with only a couple expressing support (Danielle the Zumba instructor, Dennis from Kentucky).
  • "I'm an expert in yacht rock. Please don't say that Jimmy Buffett did that song. It was Rupert Holmes." — Danielle (38:42)

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5. Draymond Green vs. Charles Barkley: Gags, Insecurity, and Public Perception (42:40–44:55)

• Draymond’s jab at Barkley ("The goal is just to not look like you in the Houston Rockets uniform") falls flat onscreen—no laughter, only awkwardness.
  • "He expected people to laugh. There was no laughter." — Matt (43:14)
  • "My problem is Draymond comes off as the most insecure future Hall of Famer that I've ever seen. It's him and Kevin Durant...Draymond is dreaming if he thinks he's the same category as Charles Barkley." — Myron (43:23)
  • "We like Charles Barkley as a society. We don't like Draymond. Draymond thinks he can make the jokes about Charles that Charles can make about him…But we like Charles." — Matt (44:01)
• Draymond’s insecurity and inability to land jokes as Charles does underscores why Barkley is beloved and Draymond is polarizing.

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Notable Quotes

• On baseball’s oddities:

  • "Do I even know ESPN Radio? That’s a good question." — Matt (03:32)
  • "They don’t even embrace the city that they play in." — Matt (05:03)

• On athletic delusions:

  • "I could do more than 60." — Myron (10:42)
  • "The only real caller on this was Danielle in Maryland, who had confidence in me. She's a Zumba star. Those are the kinds of people I want to call." — Myron (41:02)

• On player personalities:

  • "Draymond is one of the best defenders I've ever seen... He is dreaming if he thinks that he's the same category of Charles Barkley." — Myron (43:23)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:11] — MLB Standings Surprises
• [03:07–05:03] — The Athletics’ “Where Are They?” Game
• [06:07] — Jacob Mizorowski’s Flamethrower Arm
• [08:42] — Cubs & Reds Streaks
• [10:22] — Myron’s 80mph Delusion & Commences Audience Debate
• [13:46] — “Headlines” Segment Begins
• [14:11] — Skip Bayless Returns to First Take
• [16:02] — National Golf Day Lands on Mother’s Day
• [18:24] — WWE Backlash Recap
• [24:06] — Knicks-Sixers Game 4 Preview with Shams’ Update
• [24:35] — Mark Kestecher Interview
• [31:48] — Listeners Weigh In: Myron @ 80mph Calls
• [42:40] — Barkley vs. Draymond Discussion

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Episode Tone & Language

• Casual, irreverent, sarcastic (“Cookies” nickname, playful insults)
• Engaged with audience: Fielding live calls, reading texts
• Unfiltered sports fandom: Personal stories, bold opinions, no shying from self-deprecation (esp. Myron’s athletic claims)

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This hour offers a rollicking ride through the oddities of current sports, with nuggets that'll entertain stat-heads, TV sports chatter enthusiasts, and fans of good-natured sports radio squabbles. The debate over Myron’s 80mph potential is a running gag, showing off their chemistry and willingness to engage with sports both seriously and with sincerity. The discussion on Draymond’s failed barbs at Barkley is a clinic in understanding sports celebrity. Add in segments on wrestling, golf, and more, and you get a vivid snapshot of the week in sports—delivered with ESPN Radio’s signature, personable flavor.

Transcript

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[Myron]

This is Matt and Myron, the podcast.

[Matt]

Yeah, when I go back and listen to that, you. You sounded actually Myron, a little bit like my grandfather who I would play a song and he'd go, is this song foreign Foreigner Would be. Would be what you were looking. I was close.

[Myron]

I was.

[Matt]

You were kind of close. I don't know if that's exactly right. One person writes, Matt, by the way, you. I have a text machine you can send text to during the show. 772-774-5254. One person writes, Matt, the caller who said he gave his himself the name Green Onion. Normally I would say you can't give yourself a nickname, but I think the name Green Onion is the perfect name to give yourself since he just like green sour cream and onion chips.

[Myron]

How do I mean. But how do you like hard launch a nickname after that? You just. Everybody knows you just walk around, I'm green. All of a sudden today you like I'm green. I feel like your friends and family have to give you a nickname. I don't know that you get the right to do it, but that's a good one, though.

[Matt]

Whatever you say, Cookies, let's talk a little bit.

[Myron]

Don't say that without context because that's not going to sound right.

[Matt]

Myron asked that we call him Cookies. So I would, I would say if you call into the show, please call him Cookies.

[Myron]

Don't call me Cookies, man.

[Matt]

For the rest of the show, he's. They are delicious baseball. All right, so, you know, 162 games. That's a lot. It may be too much for most people to. To follow, but I like to see trends. So let's start with this. Myron, let me tell you who's in first place. You're going to.

[Myron]

You're to going.

[Matt]

You're probably going to be a little surprised. You would know in the National League it Wouldn't be shocking that the Braves, the Cubs and the Dodgers are in first place. That's not shocking, correct? Yeah, but what if I told you that in the American League, here are the three teams in first place? Tampa Bay, Cleveland and the Athletics.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

That surprise you?

[Myron]

Shocking.

[Matt]

I mean, I don't think I told you that There are only three teams in the American League above.500, but every single team in the national league Central is above.500.

[Myron]

Yeah. The NL Central is, like, stacking to be one of the greatest divisions we've seen.

[Matt]

Which is crazy because normally, like, going into the year, you might have thought that the only team that would have a winning record is the Cubs. And now they all have a winning record. But. But then in the American League, only three teams do.

[Myron]

It's amazing. It's night and day. The NL Central, the NL in general versus the American League, and how bad the baseball has been compared to. I mean, the Athletics being in first. I don't even think most people know where they're playing right now.

[Matt]

That's a good question, is what percentage of listeners to this show do you think could tell us where the Athletics are playing?

[Myron]

Very, very few know where they're at right now. I would say very seriously.

[Matt]

No, I mean, we can't do it because people can look. Yeah, but I would be fascinated to learn how many. Like, do I even know ESPN Radio? That's a good question. Well, here, before I ask anyone else, do you know where the Athletics are playing?

[Myron]

I dance. I didn't. Like San Diego or somewhere like that.

[Matt]

No, they are not in San Diego. They have another team. They're called the Padre.

[Myron]

No, no, no. There' somewhere saying something. San Bernardino. It's saying something.

[Matt]

San Bernardino. Keep guessing. I'm gonna give you five guesses as to.

[Myron]

It's a sand Athletic. Sorry. It's a sand guess.

[Matt]

Two.

[Myron]

San. San Jose.

[Matt]

They are not in San Jose. You are over three. Two more guesses.

[Myron]

Santa. Santa Barbara. Santa.

[Matt]

Santa Barbara. They are not in Santa Barbara. One more guess.

[Myron]

I swear it's a fat calf.

[Matt]

Who hosts a radio show on espn? No.

[Myron]

No. Is it Bakersfield? Are they in Bakersfield?

[Matt]

They are not in Bakersfield. You are over five. The actual place that the Athletics are playing is called Sacramento.

[Myron]

Okay.

[Matt]

They are playing in Sacramento.

[Myron]

I realized they were still in Sacramento. I thought they moved somewhere for this season. I knew they were in Sacramento last year.

[Matt]

So when I say that the average ESPN radio listener doesn't know, it also seems like the average ESPN radio host does not.

[Myron]

I thought they Left Sacramento before they go to Vegas. Cause I know they're going to Vegas.

[Matt]

Be high. Ironic.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

If the A's were to make a playoff run, I'd love it. In a city like they don't even. Here's the thing about the A's. They don't even claim the city they're in. They're not the Sacramento Athletics. They just call themselves the Athletics. They don't even embrace the city that they play in.

[Myron]

I mean, California doesn't embrace Sacramento. You been to Sacramento?

[Matt]

Come on now, what's wrong with Sacramento?

[Myron]

No, I like Sacramento. But, like, no one in, like, the LA area is like, hey, but isn't

[Matt]

that a little demeaning that they won't even call themselves the Sacramento Athletics for these couple years they're going to play there.

[Myron]

Especially because they're the Athletics. Like, if the Athletics are like, we're too good to claim you, that wouldn't feel good as a city. You know, that's so that's.

[Matt]

That's one storyline. Second storyline. Jacob Misarovsky is playing for the Brewers. Your team. A lot of people. Again, things people don't know. Jacob Mizaroski threw a pitch in his last start this weekend. 103.6 miles an hour.

[Myron]

Amazing.

[Matt]

I'm going to repeat that. 103.6 miles an hour. He threw 10 pitches in his last game that were at least 103 miles an hour. He's the first pitcher to ever do that. And it's the highest velocity any pitcher has ever reached since they started really using real equipment to track it. It's not just a dude holding a gun out there. Like a real one. Here's the most amazing stat to me, though. The 60 fastest pitches pitched in Major League Baseball this year. All 60 of them are Jacob Mizorowski.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Is that not insane?

[Myron]

It's incredible. I think that was the fastest series of pitches of all time.

[Matt]

I mean, yes,

[Myron]

it was incredible.

[Matt]

Just the sentence before the last one.

[Myron]

I know it. I got you. And I look, I look at pitching like I look at the 100 meter dash, right? And like, when someone even moves the needle a fraction, it's a big deal, right?

[Matt]

Because let's go even farther in the history of computer assisted mile per hour measurement. Okay? So scientific measurement. The hundred fastest pitches since that happened. Would you like to know how many people are in the top hundred of pitches pitched?

[Myron]

Yep.

[Matt]

2. Jacob Mizorowski and Hunter Green. And that's it. So think about that. The hundred fastest pitches in the history of baseball. Have been thrown by two people, Myra.

[Myron]

I mean, and we're watching it and I think sometimes we're bad to understand history and kind of being fascinated. When we're in the moment, it usually takes us some time to figure it out. But to watch an individual hit almost 104 miles an hour on the gun doesn't even seem human. Like it seems like it's from another planet. And then to do it consistently, it's just an out of this world.

[Matt]

That's what's amazing to me about he and Hunter Green, who's not healthy right now, they're doing it as starters. It's one thing for a guy to do that, come out, throw 15 pitches out of the bullpen and be gone. These guys are doing it as starters. That's crazy.

[Myron]

I think it was one of the greatest things we've seen in baseball history. I mean that's not an exaggeration. To watch someone throw 10 pitches at 103 plus miles an hour and to make history like that, that was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen in sports.

[Matt]

All right, now the Cubs, they had their win streak snap last night, but before that they had won 20 of their previous 23 games. They have had not one but two 10 game win streaks in the same season. The Cubs had not done that since 1935. And Myron, they did it within a span of 40 games. Is this the Cubs year?

[Myron]

Maybe. Although you know, I can never root for the Cubs. Like I don't actually root for them.

[Matt]

The question maybe are they going to win?

[Myron]

Maybe. It's possible.

[Matt]

They have a heck of a lineup. JCA the Crow Armstrong is hitting eighth.

[Myron]

Great.

[Matt]

Yeah, he's hitting eight, but he's hitting eighth. That's how good this team is. Finally, my Cincinnati Reds, another crazy stat. They started their season, they won 12 straight one run games. It was the longest run in the history of the major leagues. 12 straight games, one run. Then to show you that numbers even themselves out on a course of four nights, Myron, they lost four straight one run games. After winning 12 in a row, they then lost four straight one run games. What do you make of that oddity of a statistic?

[Myron]

Well, I mean it reminds me, you know, in NFL this happens all the time. I remember the Vikings won a bunch of. Won a bunch of one score.

[Matt]

The Lions this past year. Yes. And the Kansas City. That's exactly right.

[Myron]

So no, the numbers usually even out for teams in those situations.

[Matt]

Yes. So this is all, all I just wanted to give you some interesting facts about about baseball.

[Myron]

How fast you think I could throw on the gun if I train like four summers, you think I can hit seven?

[Matt]

60.

[Myron]

Can I hit 90? 80?

[Matt]

Heck no. No way.

[Myron]

If I'm talking about if I trained.

[Matt]

If like somebody trained, trained, who's training you?

[Myron]

I'm saying like let's say a former pitcher, major league pitcher. Like train me 80 on the gun.

[Matt]

70, 68.

[Myron]

I could more. I could do more than 60.

[Matt]

You could not hit 80. Do you realize how fast 80 like you could not if I trained.

[Myron]

I'm saying no.

[Matt]

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[Myron]

Call me Cookie man. Matt and Myron the Podcast.

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[Matt]

It's Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio. I have a number of college baseball players or guys who played college bass baseball. Three of them have written the text. Machine says no way you can hit 80.

[Myron]

Well, my buddies Spencer Tolson used to play college basketball.

[Matt]

It's not baseball.

[Myron]

Minnesota. He said I could hit 80, but

[Matt]

he didn't play baseball. I mean I have friends that play golf. That doesn't mean they know, but I

[Myron]

mean your guys might be biased, you know, towards supporting you. You didn't. You missed the part that I said I'm training with a major League baseball coach.

[Matt]

But how, but how old are you?

[Myron]

I'll be 43 next month.

[Matt]

I understand, but. So like 43 year old arms just don't sprout a fastball.

[Myron]

If. I'm saying if I just if all.

[Matt]

You pitch. Did you pitch in high school?

[Myron]

I don't play baseball in high school.

[Matt]

So you're saying you've never played baseball?

[Myron]

I've played baseball. Little League, literally.

[Matt]

You think you can throw 80 miles an hour?

[Myron]

I think with training, I'm wondering is what I'm asking. So 80 seems a little steep.

[Matt]

You never went to the carnival and did the little pitch throw?

[Myron]

I did, I did and I was.

[Matt]

And you came up 57?

[Myron]

No, no, I was probably 60 over 60. Ish. I bet, yeah.

[Matt]

You're insane. Let's time. It's time to get some stories from actual athletes. It's time for headlines.

[Myron]

What does that mean?

[Matt]

Extra, extra.

[Caller]

Read all about it. We all love it.

[Myron]

The Sunday headlines.

[Matt]

All right, what do we got?

[Sports News Reader]

All right. On Friday, Skip Bayless returned to First Take and teamed up with Stephen. A long awaited reunion there seemed like they left off, they picked up right where they left off. Debated about the Lakers and Luca and

[Matt]

they brought out all the hits. They even at one point talked about Tim Tebow where I was like, man, they really are playing it back. That's. They were playing Freebird there. What'd you think of the return, Myron, of. Of Skip Bayless?

[Myron]

I mean, the nostalgia moment, it's always cool to me. It was cool for them to maybe bury the rumors about whether or not there was a rift. I always like seeing friends, older friends get back together. So that part was cool for me.

[Matt]

Did you. Do you think it'll be something regular? You think we'll get more of them?

[Myron]

Yes. I mean, I don't think you just bring Skip Bayless on for one appearance. I think it'll become maybe a more consistent thing.

[Matt]

What I think is funny about Skip Bayless, I didn't work at ESPN when he was there, but one of the things that I do think is funny is Skip Bayless. He still like is in the social media world, but I think he doesn't really understand the social media world. So he does social media videos, like their actual television segments.

[Myron]

He does follow it though.

[Matt]

So he sits down and he'll go, okay, now is the time to discuss marshmallows. And he will take it so seriously that I actually find that very amusing. I don't know the man at all, but it does entertain me.

[Myron]

Yeah, it Was fun. It was. It was fun to see it. I guess we'll see more of it.

[Matt]

Yeah. I would say next to Cornheiser and Wilbon up there, it's probably. Stephen A. And Skip are probably the most important duo in sports television history. I think Korneiser Wilbourne are probably number one. And then I think it would probably be Stephen A. And Skip from their. From their days. They kind of created that sort of more argumentative format that Kornheiser and Wilbon, I think, created from scratch. Who's up next?

[Sports News Reader]

It's a tweet from the PGA Tour on Twitter. A day to celebrate the most beautiful sport on earth. Happy National Golf Day. A little bit of a mistake to have National Golf Day coincide with Mother's Day today.

[Matt]

Oh, it's today?

[Sports News Reader]

Yes, today.

[Matt]

Interesting. I didn't know that. So they make golf the same day as Mother's Day. That's. That's a poor choice.

[Sports News Reader]

It's April 10th. Like, that's when it is usually.

[Matt]

Oh, so it's April 10th every year. Okay, well, first of all, this is, like, May 10th. So it's May. Yeah, May 10th.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Sports News Reader]

Sorry.

[Myron]

May 10th.

[Sports News Reader]

My bad.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Just a month.

[Myron]

Yeah,

[Matt]

I don't think that's good, because I think people would look at that as the husband is getting away from the wife on Mother's Day and going and playing golf, and I. I don't think that's what. What you want to put out there.

[Myron]

It's going to happen. No, there's. There's a dude right now who's going to be like, hey, happy Mother's Day. It's also happy golf day, so I'm going to go play with the buddies.

[Matt]

She.

[Myron]

She's filing the papers Monday morning. You know, you don't know it yet. The papers are in the drawer. And now you gonna play golf. She's going to the courthouse Monday morning, so be careful. Did you.

[Matt]

Speaking of golf, what did you think of Bryson D. Shambo and Rory's comments kind of about the live guys coming back? Rory was like, hey, man, they could come back if they want to play on a good tour. If they don't, then they don't. And then. And then Bryson being like, well, I'll just stay on YouTube if you don't meet my demands. What do you make of all that?

[Myron]

Roy's talking, like, winners talk. You know what I mean? Like, Roy, that's how you talk when you, you know, you have the I told you so advantage. And. Yeah, DeChambeau on YouTube. That'll be fun.

[Matt]

I don't think Bryson realizes that he doesn't have the leverage. He acts like when he's like, well, you know what? I'll just stay on YouTube. Well, then stay on YouTube. Like, I mean, golf is a sport.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Where you're gonna need other people to play against to really sort of measure up, I think.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Mark Kester]

Rory.

[Myron]

Rory has said, I told you all this was going to flop three years ago, and now look at you.

[Matt]

Yeah. I mean, if he wants to go be part of, like, what is it Doug does golf or whatever those golf things are. People watch. Yeah, he can go do that, but, like, then he's not going to be Rory and he's not going to be those guys. Who's next?

[Sports News Reader]

Last night was WWE Backlash. Backlash. We saw the main event was Roman Reigns defending us. That was Jacob Fatu had Oscar and I.O. sky. Seth Rollins brought Breaker. But the thing that we were all looking forward to was the tag team match between Miz and Kit Wilson against Danhausen and a mystery partner. And Danhausen's mystery partner happened to be a Minniehausen. Myron, what'd you think about Backlash last night? Especially Danhausen's partner.

[Myron]

Well. Well, first off, on Sportsmanlike, like, which I hosted this week, had a chance to talk to you.

[Matt]

Oh, you had to throw that in there, by the way. You had to throw in that you got to host it. And they never asked me. I see. I see how you're doing.

[Myron]

I'm saying because I had a chance to talk to the Miz, who was really focused for that match, and then I talked to Seth Rollins as well. I thought it was a fun match. I mean, I guess yesterday was the first time I kind of got the Dan Housing thing. I still think it's a little overdone. Minnie Housing knows. Funny to me, like, the Minnie Housing thing that I laughed at that. That was a cool little.

[Matt]

Can I ask you a question, James? And I say this as someone who loves wrestling, who's watched it his entire life, like you. You and I are true wrestling fans, James. Right. We're not like Johnny Come lately. We go way back. I am partial owner of a wrestling organization, so I'm saying this. I'm not unqualified to make this statement. Are we supposed to treat this like this is real? Like it feels like all of a sudden we're supposed to say things like Myron did. The Miz was focused for the match. Are we. Are we doing that? Is that what I'm doing?

[Sports News Reader]

I don't. I don't.

[Matt]

Am I supposed to say Roman Reigns did not put on the performance that I hoped for.

[Sports News Reader]

I don't think we have to do that. No. I think we just keep talking about it the way that we're talking about it.

[Matt]

Okay. Because that, because I just, I don't want to. If you want me to say I was disappointed in how Seth Rollins finished his match against Bron Breaker, I will. What I would say instead, though, is I like Danhausen. I think he's the most entertaining thing they've got going. And I kind of want to paint my face like Dan Housing sometime and, and be a Minnie Housing myself.

[Myron]

Well, as I always tell you, be careful about painting your face, but you know, make sure you have all the right colors on there. But it was fascinating to me, the Danhausen thing and the Minnie Housing thing was actually cool. And I kind of got it last night for the first time while people are into it.

[Matt]

So you have to decide when you're at if I'm doing Danhausen just FaceTime saying do half of it first.

[Myron]

FaceTime me, just FaceTime me before you go out with it. Don't just, don't just walk into the party as Danhausen before you end up in a situation for both of us. So that's all I'm saying. Put me on the FaceTime before you go.

[Matt]

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[Matt]

Nicks and Sixers today here on ESPN Radio. Coverage begins at 3 Eastern. By the way, a lot of people writing in the text machine, no one believes Myron could throw at 80 miles an hour. Some people are saying can't even throw at 60 miles an hour. Yeah, well I'm just telling you what people are saying, but the Knicks and Sixers are playing today in Shams Toronto. ESPN Senior NBA Insider had this to say about the status of OG and Obi for Game four.

[ESPN Senior NBA Insider]

The good news for the Knicks is I'm told it's a minor hamstring strain for OGN and Obi, but he is listed questionable for later today. And with the Knicks up 3. 0, there is certainly a feel that the team is going to consider making sure they take the long term approach here with OG Anunoby with the Eastern Conference finals coming up. But he's going to be getting treatment up to game time today to see how that hamstring feels leading up to game time.

[Matt]

Mark Kester joining us. He's on the play by play call of Knicks and Sixers beginning at 3 Eastern on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. It is presented by Gusto. Mark, always like checking in with you here before the games. Is there any reason for me to believe that the Sixers can be competitive tonight?

[Mark Kester]

Well, good, Good morning Matt. Myron Yes, I think the question is can they close? I think they've been competitive the last couple of games and they just haven't been able to hit shots late. A lot of that is the Knick defense. I mean they're playing as well as they played on that end of the ball all season long. But you know they doubled Tyrese Maxey, Paul George after, you know, really good starts. And I think just about every game in this series has had equally terrible finishes. So you know, guys have to do something. I don't know what. Joel, Joel Embiid has left, assuming he's playing today. But if they can keep it competitive, I'd like to say and get the home crowd going, but I feel like it's going to be 75% Knicks fans down here this afternoon.

[Myron]

Cassie, what's the difference between the kind of underdog Sixers we saw knockout, the Boston Celtics and the team that just hasn't been as effective and efficient against the Knicks?

[Mark Kester]

Yeah, I think, Myron, whatever Joel Embiid had from all that rest kind of manifested itself. I also think, you know, Boston wasn't as equipped to defend him. And so, you know, with Embiid getting so much attention, Tyrese Maxey is so good when he's, you know, one on one defensively, that opened him up. Also, Boston missed all those three pointers and the Knicks are, Knicks are a different team. This is, this is kind of like the Knicks team we saw, you know, in December and into January, playing with all that confidence and bravado. Karl Anthony Towns is playing a different role. It allows Jalen Brunson to play off ball, be a screen setter and still be a killer in the fourth quarter. I just think the matchup has not been good and Philly's had its, had its cracks. I think they've had some good looks in close games. They just haven't, haven't hit shots late and they just seemed overmatched.

[Matt]

I kind of think the store. One of the stories of the playoffs, and we're talking to Mark Kester of ESPN Radio, has been Carl Towns, who it feels like, you know, I, I, I like Carl. I've known him for, since he was in high school and I've wanted to see him have a moment. And it always feels like he kind of just gets in his way right when it's about to happen. But he seems more comfortable to me in this playoffs than I've seen him in his entire career. Do you agree with that?

[Mark Kester]

Yeah, I agree. I think so, Matt. I think, you know, Mike Brown made a subtle change in the first round series against Atlanta. And, you know, having Carl kind of work out of, you know, the high post, free throw line, area ball in his hands, making smart plays and reads. You know, he still has had a lot of foul trouble. He was, he was off the floor. It felt like more than he was on the floor the other night in game three. But, you know, the way the team perseveres, whether he's on the court or not, I think, you know, not Having seen take the brunt of all those minutes of bringing up the ball of initiating the offense, I think it's well suited to Karl Anthony Towns right now. So, you know, ever since being down to one against Atlanta, I don't know, is this sustainable moving forward against whomever they face in the conference finals and then beyond? We'll see. But, but I agree with you. It seems like this is the most confidence I've certainly seen him play, you know, this year with the coaching change to Mike Brown and into the postseason now having the ball in his hand so much on offense.

[Myron]

If he's available. What is OG I don't know, be changed for this Knicks team. What is he at?

[Mark Kester]

Well, I mean, he's been such an efficient scorer for them in the postseason. Myron, I think the biggest thing, if you had asked me before game three, like, what will they miss? You know, it's, he just covers end line to end line. He's such a tough defender and Mikhail Bridges have kind of taken that baton. He's a really good lengthy defender as well, but has, you know, stepped up even more the other night. So I just think it's the well all around balanced game and especially on the offensive end of late that OG brings. And it's interesting because I mentioned to PJ Carlissimo, my analyst the other night, I'm like, all right, they're about to go up 3, 0. There is no way, there's no way that OG is going to play. Right. And his response to me was, I get what you're saying, but as a coach, you want to finish this off and you want what could be eight or nine days rest if the Eastern Conference finals doesn't start until a week from Tuesday, unless there's a move up depending on Cleveland, Detroit. And then I heard Mike Brown kind of say yesterday, if the medical department says he's good to play, he's going to play. And so from the coaches thoughts, you don't want to mess around. You don't want an extra game, you don't want two extra days to prepare for a game. And that's totally counter to where I would look at it and just say, there's no way this guy's going to be in a uniform until we absolutely need him again.

[Matt]

Yeah, I would have agreed with you, Mark. And then like my Carolina Hurricanes had an injury to one of their players, Nikisha, and they played him in game four. And when they asked Rod Brindemore afterwards why he said exactly what you said. PJ Said we wanted to end this and, and get it over with. And that's what they did. I'll finish with this. You mentioned you thought it would be 75% New York fans. I couldn't get over the crowd there in game three and the way the Knicks fans dominated the building and just, it's going to be worse today. I mean, what, what do you, like, what do you make of that? I mean, this is not some city like the LA Chargers where they haven't had a history or any. Like, what do you make of just getting dominated fan base wise in your own home court?

[Mark Kester]

I know. I mean, you're just, you're, they're so close. We're only 90 miles away from New York City. You don't have to stand in lines at box offices. We haven't had to do that in a generation. You know, you can, you can do it even if they try to geo fence you out of getting tickets. I think also another kind of unheralded aspect to it is like no one really expected much from the Sixers this year after their tough start and Embiid getting injured and Paul George was out a bunch. I don't think anyone expected them to beat Orlando in the play in game. Certainly nobody expected them to come back from down 31 against Boston. And so you get that little surge in adrenaline and you get absolutely obliterated. You're down OH2. I don't know if that triggers you to sell tickets. I don't know. You know, Knicks fans are going to find a way to get those tickets, but it just feels like, you know, there's a little more apathy to the fan base than I would have expected getting this part. But if you take the totality of the season and all those things I mentioned, maybe that answers some of the questions.

[Caller]

Maybe.

[Matt]

Mark Kassinger calling. Knicks 76ers 3 Eastern on ESPN radio. And we'll also be looking to see what happens in the draft lottery. Mark, thank you very much.

[Mark Kester]

Hey, by the way, my last 15 seconds, what was that movie, the Rookie, the Jim Morris Story? I see Myron throwing the pitch. It says 60. He slumps his shoulders, walks away the six fills in 80.

[Myron]

Wow. What are you talking about, K? That's what I'm talking about.

[Matt]

All right. I appreciate it, Mark. I mean, that's not gonna happen. But I like the story.

[Myron]

Why don't you believe in me?

[Matt]

By the way, appreciate the call. Because you're old and like old people don't just all of a sudden get good at a sport. They've never played.

[Myron]

It happens all the time. Tiger won late in his career.

[Matt]

Hang on just a second. But I like, I like that you're comparing yourself to Tiger. Tiger, though, to remind you, because you may have forgotten this. Tiger won late in his career, but he was the best player in history early in his career. You've never played baseball?

[Sports News Reader]

No. Myron is known around the world as the Tiger woods and pitching.

[Myron]

No, all I'm saying is older people are doing stuff now. 40 is the new 25. Oh, man. All across the world. 40.

[Matt]

So give me an example of someone who never played a sport that started it at first 40 and got really good.

[Myron]

There's a dude in my neighborhood who plays pickleball and has been dominated.

[Matt]

There's a dude in your neighborhood who

[Myron]

never was a pickleball guy. And now it's like all over the place, dominating pickleball courts all.

[Matt]

So you're saying you can throw a pitch 80 miles an hour because there's an old man in Minneapolis who plays pickleball?

[Myron]

Again, you keep, you keep removing a special part of this. I would train with a major league baseball coach. That's, that's why.

[Matt]

And you think that would make a difference?

[Myron]

It would help. Yeah, it would help. Anybody can do something one time.

[Matt]

8, 8, 8 say ESPN. I'll take a little. I'd like to take a little sample size.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

888, say ESPN. Do you think Myron, who's 43.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And has never played baseball, could train and throw an 80 mile an hour pitch? Just yes or no. 888 say ESPN. I'll ask the masses. I think they're all going to say no. But we will, we will find out. Okay, we'll see. By the way, speaking of making fun of people who are old, do you. Did you think Draymond was too mean to Charles Barkley?

[Myron]

Yeah. Not only was he too mean, if he thinks he has Barclays career, he's dreaming. He's not. Actually. You know what?

[Matt]

I want to hold this because I have a lot of thoughts. I actually have a lot of thoughts about this. So I want to hold this. 888 say ESPN on my right. Throwing the pitch. And then I, I. Draymond, he's not Aaron Rodgers to me, but he is in the vicinity. And I, I, I got, I got some things to say. That's next here on Matt. Myron on ESPN.

[Myron]

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[Matt]

You know who this is? Myron? Let's see. I'm going to guess. Do you know? I'm gonna say you do not know who this is, but you should. Sweet Maria.

[Myron]

It's not Garth Brooks.

[Matt]

Okay? Correct. That hurts my eyes.

[Myron]

It's the dude that sings if you like pina colada.

[Matt]

No, it's not.

[Myron]

That's him.

[Matt]

It's not that dude.

[Myron]

Who's that dude?

[Matt]

See if this helps.

[Myron]

Why would that help?

[Matt]

Well, because there's very few country singers that sing like that.

[Myron]

But you always say stuff like, how is that part gonna. Who's the dude that sings pina colada if you. La pina colada?

[Matt]

Well, that's Stone.

[Myron]

Jimmy Buffett.

[Matt]

Yeah. That's not. This is Brooks and Done.

[Myron]

Brooks and Done. Which one is it?

[Matt]

Well, they both sing, but this is. I think this is. Is. Is Kip Brooks and Nor. Maybe it's Ronnie Dunn. I don't know.

[Bucked Up Announcer]

I don't.

[Matt]

I never. I do get those two confused, but they are Brooks and Dun. All right, so I want to get back to Draymond and Charles Barkley because I. Because I have thoughts. But I did ask callers, could myron throw it 80? He's never played baseball. He thinks he can throw at 80 miles an hour if he has training. I just said. I mean, I've given my opinion. Let's quickly go to the phones. Lucas in Alabama, can he do it?

[Caller]

Look, I don't know what Myron smoked or drank this morning, but there's absolutely no way that myron is throwing 80 miles an hour. Absolutely no way.

[Myron]

What is that based on?

[Matt]

Let's go to Barry in Virginia Bear context.

[Caller]

Morning, guys. Hey, after I make my comment, if I could ask a quick question. But anyway, he could throw the ball 80 miles an hour. I used to play Ball with the kids, you know, in the yard. And I tried one of those pitching machines, you know, record your. Not pitching machine, but pitching records how fast you throw at a minor league park. I thought I was going to hit 70. I hit 52, and there's no way he could throw 80.

[Matt]

Totally agree. What's your question?

[Caller]

My question is what? The guy, the NFL boy. A man that came out and threw the pitch and threw it like in the ground.

[Matt]

Yeah. Malik Willis.

[Caller]

Have you all ever seen a little league quarterback, a high school quarterback, a college quarterback? They couldn't throw a baseball. I have it.

[Myron]

So, no. Mahomes threw a bad first pitch.

[Matt]

Appreciate it. I'm shocked that. That quarterbacks can't throw first pitches. It doesn't make sense to me. Like, they should be able to at least get it to the catcher.

[Myron]

Mahomes. Mahomes. His father was a major league baseball pitcher and he played baseball. He threw a bad first pitch once.

[Matt]

I mean, bad first pitch. And what Malik Willis did, they shouldn't

[Myron]

have had him out there.

[Matt]

Yeah. Let's go to Danielle and Maryland. Go, Danielle. Hi.

[Caller]

First of all, first of all, I'm an expert in yacht rock. Please don't say that Jimmy Buffett did that song. It was Rupert Holmes.

[Myron]

So you got it wrong.

[Caller]

I'm in my 40s and I kill it in dream. But I don't see why he couldn't do it at 80 miles per hour.

[Myron]

Thank you so much. I appreciate you so much, Danielle, for that support.

[Matt]

You're saying because you do. What'd you say? Zillow.

[Myron]

Matt says he does Zillow. It ain't Zumba.

[Matt]

I do do Zillow. I don't do Zumba. You think because you do Zumba that Myron can throw at 80 miles an hour.

[Myron]

She believes in me, but I did for hours.

[Caller]

For hours in my 40s. And other people think so she believes in me.

[Myron]

I appreciate you so much, Danielle. Thank you so much for the call. That's the kind of callers we appreciate the call. And that's the plants that you put on the phone to call.

[Caller]

Why?

[Matt]

I thought. I don't know why I said Jimmy Buffett sang that song. I. I didn't know it was Rupert Holmes, but I knew it wasn't Jimmy Buffett.

[Myron]

Got that wrong, man.

[Matt]

I get all the drink songs confused.

[Myron]

There's a lot of them still with us. He's still. He's still touring, right? Jim is.

[Matt]

He's with us. No, he died relatively recently, I think, like in the last. Because I Remember? Kind of doing a tribute to him on the show. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, let's go. To. Go to Ryan in North Carolina. Do you think he can do it?

[Caller]

All right, listen, Cookie. Okay, hold on.

[Myron]

Hold on a second. We gotta stop this. Don't just call me Cookie, man. I told, like, listen, I don't want to be addressed as Cookie. I don't know who started that, but that's. That's not what I'm going for. I don't want that to catch on, man.

[Matt]

Okay, okay.

[Caller]

And I grew all through high school, and I think I got up into the. To the upper 80s when I was maybe 17 years old. And now when I try to throw the ball, my arm feels like it's gonna fall off. I don't think you could get up to 80.

[Myron]

Ryan, can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question, Ryan, real quick? Are you. Me? Thank you. All right. That's the question.

[Caller]

I love listening to you guys. Thanks.

[Matt]

Thank you.

[Myron]

Listen, man, all these plants that you. You texting people and telling them to call in and doubt me. The only real caller on this was Danielle and Marilyn, who had confidence in me. She's a zoom or a star. Those are the kinds of people I want to call.

[Matt]

One more, Dennis.

[Myron]

Thank you.

[Matt]

Kentucky. Go ahead, Dennis.

[Caller]

Hey, how you doing, man? First of all, that was D.B. stevenson that sang the first Maria song.

[Matt]

Yeah, but that was not the version we played. The version we played was Brooks and Dunn. I didn't ask who wrote it. I said the version we played.

[Caller]

And. And when you are a former athlete.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Things come natural.

[Myron]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Caller]

I believe he can do it. Thank you, muffin man. Ryan before me, he could go sit and play MLP at the show.

[Matt]

Okay. Kentucky. Where in Kentucky are you from?

[Myron]

Thank you.

[Matt]

Where? Yeah, that's the problem. You all churn butter and you don't play sports. That's not. That can't be. I appreciate the call.

[Myron]

That's like, when people support me, man.

[Matt]

If I know he was from Berea. No, I like Berea, but I would have. I would not. By the way, Berea. Did you know this, Myron? It's the only college in America where you get to go for free so long as you work while you're there. So you. They give you a job while you're there doing stuff. So the community, the people. The people who work in the community are all college students, but it is for low income students who can't afford college.

[Myron]

I love.

[Matt]

And they can go to college and work and the Tuition is free. Isn't that nice?

[Myron]

That's a beautiful setup.

[Matt]

You know the famous writer, bell hooks, she taught at Berea before she died.

[Myron]

I knew about bell hooks. Yeah, I love bell hooks.

[Matt]

So there you go. All right, let's talk for a second about Draymond and Charles Barkley here. There was this interaction this week on with. With these two.

[Myron]

Listen, sports are for young people. You hope to have a great, long career, but sports, nobody WINS when they're 37, 38.

[Matt]

But you said what you said. I didn't want to hear if he

[Myron]

believes what you're talking. Yeah, I mean, I think the goal

[Matt]

is just to not look like you

[Myron]

in the Houston Rockets uniform. Yeah. It's ultimately the goal for us. Like, we don't want to. What does that look like? Did you see it? I'm just asking. I saw it. I mean, so, you know, we were always.

[Matt]

Notice what was missing, the goal, Notice what was missing. No laughter. I think he expected people to laugh. There was no laughter.

[Myron]

Yeah, because he's not funny. My problem is Draymond comes off as the most insecure future hall of Famer that I've ever seen. It's him and Kevin Durant. I mean, they belong together. Maybe that's why that team was so chaotic. They were battling for the most insecure title. Draymond is one of the best defenders I've ever seen. He was important to those warriors teams. He is dreaming if he thinks that he's the same category of Charles Barkley, who Michael Jordan will tell you on that 92 Dream Team was as good as anybody. I mean, Charles Barkley was incredible among the stars, and he averaged 15 and 10 his last year in Houston as a 36 year old. Draymond couldn't touch Charles Barkley in his prime.

[Matt]

Here's the difference. We like Charles Barkley as a society. We don't like Draymond. Draymond thinks that he can make the jokes about Charles Barkley that Charles can make about him and that people will laugh. But there's a difference. We like Charles. Draymond is not the same. First of all, he's not as good. That's objectively true.

[Mark Kester]

Yeah.

[Matt]

But also, like, you can get away with stuff when people like you. And Charles is jovial. Even when he makes fun of people, it doesn't seem like it's personal. Draymond makes it seem like it's personal. And that's why the reaction was what it was. Draymond just. He can't get away with the things. Charles can and that's just the way it is now. His coach, however, is coming back. We'll talk about that next.

[Myron]

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