Hour 2: Gary Bears

Summary

Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron

Episode Title: Hour 2: Gary Bears
Date: December 21, 2025
Hosts: Matt Jones, Myron Medcalf
Platform: ESPN Radio

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Matt and Myron dive into the weekend NFL slate, highlighting the uncertainty and opportunity in the league this year, especially with big names like Mahomes sidelined. They discuss key matchups, reflect on the state of the Detroit Lions and Pittsburgh Steelers, and debate which teams might “steal” a Super Bowl in a season missing perennial powerhouses. They also tackle hot sports headlines – including the possibility of the Chicago Bears leaving Illinois, Jake Paul’s knockout at the hands of Anthony Joshua, and some awkward NBA party dynamics. The show features a detailed interview with new Southern Miss head coach Blake Anderson ahead of the New Orleans Bowl and closes with their signature "King of the Mountain" hot takes challenge.

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Key Discussion Points & Timestamps

1. The NFL’s “Wide Open” Landscape

[01:04–06:47]

• Game of the Week: Both agree the NFL slate is less compelling than the previous week, with the Bears-Packers game already played. Focus shifts to late games: Steelers–Lions and Patriots–Ravens.
• Lions Outlook: Myron highlights Detroit's volatility after losing key coaches; their “ceiling is high… but the floor is much lower” ([02:03]).
• Steelers Consistency: Matt marvels at Mike Tomlin's knack for 9+ win seasons, noting the schedule lines up for that again. If they win out, 11-6 and a division title isn't impossible ([02:52]).
• “Hakeem Olajuwon Year” Analogy: Myron likens this NFL season to a year when a superstar is missing (like the NBA during Jordan’s absence), creating a chance for underdogs ([04:58]).
  • "I'm going to call this the Hakeem Olajuwon year in the NFL, man. Like Michael Jordan isn't here. Like, somebody is going to steal a championship." – Myron [04:58]
• If Not the Bills, Who? They debate whether Josh Allen could seize the moment, and how the legacies of players like Hakeem and Patrick Ewing hinge on that one title ([06:34]).
  • "The difference between Hakeem Olajuwon and Patrick Ewing in our minds is that Hakeem won that title and Patrick Ewing did not. 100%." – Matt [06:34]

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2. Buffalo Bills & Browns Matchup

[07:35–09:04]

• Bills’ Inconsistency: Matt expects either a Buffalo rout or a nailbiter; Myron agrees, noting “the Bills actually do [play down to competition]” ([07:59–08:35]).
• Deshaun Watson Replacement Debate: Both are not convinced Shador Sanders is a franchise QB, with Myron saying, “the Browns still need a quarterback… they have to go and get a quarterback” ([08:53–09:04]).

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3. State of Boxing: Jake Paul vs. Anthony Joshua

[12:15–15:44]

• Headline: Jake Paul hospitalized after being KO’d by Anthony Joshua, driving himself despite a double broken jaw.
• Spectacle vs. Sport: Myron laments, “I just hate that people have decided that this is boxing now. It’s a spectacle,” arguing the real boxers have been overshadowed ([13:00–13:33]).
• Matt’s Take: Enjoys the notion of seeing amateurs vs. pros to highlight athletes’ abilities:
  • "If we want to appreciate our athletes, we need to put a regular dude... so that you could see just how much better [pros are]." – Matt [14:24]

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4. Bears’ Stadium News: Could They Move to Indiana?

[15:44–17:55]

• Bears Explore Move: The Chicago Bears open to building a dome, possibly outside Illinois. Matt jokes about the "Gary Bears" and quickly dismisses the likelihood, “they are not moving to Gary, Indiana... fine people, they ain't have they playing these games in Gary” ([16:11]).
• Dome Debate: Matt and Myron argue dome merits;
  • Matt: “I don’t understand why you’re building a dome and you’re the Bears. The advantage is it being cold.”
  • Myron: “You build a dome because you don’t trust that your team’s going to be good. So you don’t want to give fans another reason to not want Bears fans go to games.” ([17:46–17:55])
• Public Funding Rant: Both dislike cities being pressured to build new stadiums at public cost.

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5. Quick-Hit Sports Headlines

[18:03–21:53]

• College Basketball:
  • Texas Tech’s comeback against Duke and Kentucky’s win over St. John’s are debated as most surprising result. Matt singles out Kentucky, Myron picks Texas Tech.
  • Discussion of Rick Pitino’s visibility; “Is he the face of college basketball?" Myron says, “most recognizable, I would say” ([20:17]).
• NBA Social Life:
  • Chris Paul’s failed Halloween party; only three teammates showed.
    • "Nothing worse than having a party [nobody shows]" – Matt [20:50]
  • Jeff Teague’s wisdom: NBA players avoid "married people" parties ([20:57–21:13])

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6. Music & Culture Sidenotes

[23:56–26:11]

• “Fairytale of New York” by The Pogues: Matt tries to share a sentimental Irish Christmas song, while Myron can’t understand the lyrics. The playful cultural confusion ensues:
  • “Is he okay? Like, I don’t...” – Myron [24:36]
  • Matt: “No, he’s just Irish!” ([24:38])

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7. NFC South Chaos: Panthers vs. Bucs

[26:09–31:08]

• Déjà Vu Divisions: Both lament how the NFC South is perpetually up for grabs with mediocre teams fighting for playoff spots ([26:44–27:55]).
• Baker Mayfield’s Health: Matt gives Mayfield some slack due to injuries; questions if it’s time for changes if the Bucs falter ([27:55–28:46]).
• Coaching/Staff Impact: Discussion on the loss of key assistant coaches (Liam Coen for Bucs, Ben Johnson for Lions).
• Panthers’ Future: Neither sees Panthers as legitimate playoff threats. Matt notes, “I literally know the Panthers and Falcons have played each other nine times” ([30:29]).

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8. Dolphins QB Drama: Tua Benched

[31:08–33:37]

• Quinn Ewers Starting: Dolphins’ Mike McDaniel benches Tua for Ewers against Cincy. Matt: “How do you go from he’s our starter to he’s third string?” ([32:12])
• QB Contract Philosophy: Matt’s hardline take: “If you don’t have a top 8 quarterback... you cannot give him a max deal. You will crush your franchise.” ([32:40])
• Future Outlook: Myron flags that Tua’s situation could hurt other QBs trying to get new contracts.

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9. College Football Chaos & Interview: Southern Miss Head Coach Blake Anderson

[35:51–43:50]

• New Orleans Bowl Preview: Matt and Myron interview new Southern Miss head coach Blake Anderson.
• Coaching Search & Promotion: Anderson discusses frustrations and the emotional process of being promoted from interim:
  • "Redheaded, competitive, temper got the best of me immediately when I wasn’t just immediately elevated. And then I honestly, I just slept on it, prayed about it a little bit... I just had complete peace about it." – Blake Anderson [36:25]
• Portal & Roster Management: Anderson describes the chaos of roster turnover, NIL, and staff changes: “I don't know if there is such a word as stable anymore in college football. You just gotta be able to do about a million things at once…” ([37:55])
• Creative Recruiting: Discusses the need for puzzle-solving, “finding value in a guy that other people don’t, or seeing a guy that’s got some really good traits but not great stats yet,” ([40:11–42:03])
• QB Battle: Myron asks about the importance of quarterback play in their matchup.

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10. King of the Mountain: Hot Take Segment

[43:51–45:11]

• Rules: Callers get 30 seconds for their hottest take; entertaining but substantive rants are encouraged.
  • "Straight and to the point. Don't deviate, don't stick to the point." – Myron [44:25]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On this NFL season:

  "I'm going to call this the Hakeem Olajuwon year in the NFL, man. Like Michael Jordan isn't here. Like, somebody is going to steal a championship."
  — Myron [04:58]

• On Jake Paul Boxing:

  "I just hate that people have decided that this is boxing now. I mean, that's the part that bothered me. Like, it's a spectacle."
  — Myron [13:00]

• On Dome Stadiums for the Bears:

  "I don’t understand why you’re building a dome and you’re the Bears. The advantage is it being cold."
  — Matt [17:46]

• On College Football Coaching:

  "[Roster management] didn't stabilize anything. It's still just as chaotic as it was before... I don't know if there is a such a word as stable anymore in college football."
  — Blake Anderson [37:55]

• On Franchise QBs:

  "If you don’t have a top 8 quarterback or top 10 at best, you cannot give him a max deal. You cannot. You will crush your franchise."
  — Matt [32:40]

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Flow and Tone

The show is irreverent, sharp, and packed with the personalities of Matt and Myron. Matt leans humorous and quick-witted, frequently poking fun or pushing for unusual analogies, while Myron is insightful and often deadpan, but jumps in with pop culture and historical references. Segment transitions are marked by playful debates and running in-jokes (from boxing movie tropes to Irish music incomprehensibility), making the two-hour block engaging and accessible to both casual and hardcore sports fans.

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Important Segments & Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------|--------------| | NFL's wide-open season; Hakeem analogy | 01:04–06:47 | | Bills–Browns preview | 07:35–09:04 | | Jake Paul v. Joshua, state of boxing | 12:15–15:44 | | Bears consider stadium move | 15:44–17:55 | | College basketball, Pitino, handshake | 18:03–19:46 | | Chris Paul's NBA Halloween party | 20:50–21:53 | | “Fairytale of New York” music tangent | 23:56–26:11 | | Bucs–Panthers, NFC South chaos | 26:09–31:08 | | Dolphins QB controversy, Tua benched | 31:08–33:37 | | Southern Miss head coach Blake Anderson | 35:51–43:50 | | King of the Mountain (hot takes) | 43:51–45:11 |

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For New Listeners:

If you want smart, funny, deeply informed sports talk—with a side order of real-life sports industry gripes, college football chaos, and some epic pop culture analogies—this episode is a must-listen. Whether you're tuning in for strategy debates, college football recruiting gossip, or just Matt and Myron’s hilarious takes on music and food, you’ll walk away with a clear sense of the biggest sports stories of the week—and probably a few laughs.

Transcript

[Myron]

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[Matt]

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[Myron]

It was back when you had to have four guys in the group and people were afraid to kick out the fourth guy a lot of times.

[Matt]

Well, you can't. When you. When literally your Name is all 4, 4, 1. You can't kick a guy out. It can't be all three. One. You lose the.

[Myron]

It's different.

[Matt]

Yeah, you lose the entire thing. Look at the NFL slate today here on Matt, Myron and I look and it's, you know, last week was a really good slate this week. So you just sit here and say, okay, what's the game that fans would care the most about? It was probably Bears, packers, but of course that happened last night. So now I would look at and say probably the two late games today. Steelers lines and Patriots, Ravens. Let's start with the Steelers lines for this segment. Both these teams, Myron, need this. I mean, for the Lions, if they lose, they're out. If the Steelers, if they lose, the division is back up for grabs. This is going to be a great atmosphere. This is Aaron Rodgers in a place where he's played quite a bit, played almost every season of his career. A game in Detroit. It's a big stage. This will be the game where Tony Romos predicting the plays well, who do you like tonight? Is this finally when the Lions get their must win?

[Myron]

Yeah, I feel like they're a hard team to predict sometimes. I think the ceiling for the Lions is very, very high still. Like, I don't think that's changed from last year about how good they can be. I think what you've noticed after losing Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson, the floor is much lower Too, like they have the ability to just not play to, to their potential. I mean, they gave a, what, 41 points to, to the Rams, 31 to Green Bay a couple weeks back. The defense just hasn't been the same. I mean, they literally have won every other game since October 5th. Like, so they haven't won two in a row during that entire stretch. So I just think they're a, a group where can they beat Pitt, of course. But I also don't think they're anywhere near as good as they were a year ago.

[Matt]

Well, at least if they've won every other game, they lost the last game because maybe it is there. Maybe it's finally their time to get the victory. I, you know, by the way, Mike Tomlin is doing exactly what Mike Tomlin does. Like you start the season and you go, is Mike Tomlin going to win nine games? The answer is almost certainly yes. And if you look at his schedule, it, it is kind of set up for him to win nine games. That would mean to me they lose tonight, then they beat the Browns and then maybe they lose to the Ravens in the final game and you get your nine wins. But let me also note, they have a chance to go 11 and 6 if they win tonight, beat the Browns and beat the Ravens. That would be, even for an Aaron Rodgers hater like myself, a fairly successful run through this. Myron, Wouldn't it be if you had told Steeler fans at the beginning of the year, you're gonna finish 11, 6, win the division.

[Myron]

I think it will be now the haters are going to say, okay, well, the Ravens fell off. They haven't been the same team.

[Matt]

Who cares?

[Myron]

Burrow got hurt Cleveland, so they'll say that. But I also think there are so many teams that would do anything or do a lot to have the consistency that the Steelers have had under Mike Tomlin. The question in the off season though, is going to be our Steelers fans tired of just being in the mix? Like, are they tired of just being the playoffs? Because, Matt, if this is a playoff team, would you bet any money that they're going to win a game in the. No.

[Matt]

But I would say to Steeler fans who are tired of being in the mix, what did you expect with Aaron Rodgers? And in terms of being in the mix, I will say if they were to win out, and granted that's a long way away from happening, they're kind of in the mix more than you think. I mean, what if I told the Steeler fans at the beginning of the year all Right. Steeler fans, you're going to be the 3 seed in the playoffs. Mahomes isn't in it. Lamar isn't in it. Burrow isn't in it. I think they'd say, let's take our shot at it with that section. Right? I mean, I feel like you couldn't ask for a better scenario if you're Pittsburgh.

[Myron]

I'm going to call this the Hakeem Olajuwon year in the NFL, man. Like Michael Jordan isn't here. Like, somebody is going to steal a championship. So somebody's get an opportunity to get a ring with my home sideline and maybe sideline next year as well for part of the year or not the same guy coming off the ACL injury. So I think it's a crucial year for teams like the Steelers, teams like the Bears, the Seahawks, where it's like, okay, when are you going to get another shot? I mean, Josh Allen's going to face the most pressure.

[Matt]

One Hakeem Olaja. One was a. Was one of the 15.

[Myron]

Or it's not a knock against Akeem.

[Matt]

I will use the example of that Pistons team that won in like, oh, three. That's fair, right? Oh, four. Like, that is kind of a stealing a title there. It's kind of in between reigns of teams. No, no. Real superstars started five guys, one via defense. That was kind of, to me, stealing the championship. I kind of feel like this year, you know, if Josh Allen wins, I think your Hakeem Olajuwon analogy is actually pretty good. But if it's one of these other teams, I kind of think it's like that Pistons team in terms of you're just kind of stealing one in a year where nobody really saw it coming.

[Myron]

I think that's a really good point. I think Akeem Olajuwon works too, because to your point, if Josh Allen does this, he'll be praised for this. Like, he'll be validated. Like, I don't think people would see Josh Allen leading the Bills to a championship as doing it with Mahomes not being the same Mahomes because, you know, they beat that team. Like, it would be Josh Allen saying, hey, I'm one of these guys, too. If the Bills don't get that opportunity, when else do you have a shot like this? That's going to be the question.

[Matt]

I mean, I think people, the difference between Hakeem Olajuw. I'm not trying to get too NBA on everybody, but the difference between Akeem Olajuwon and Patrick Ewing in our minds is that Hakeem won that title and Patrick ewing did not. 100%.

[Myron]

Two titles. Yeah.

[Matt]

You might end up flipping that if Ewing wins the title and Hakeem doesn't. And so I think that there's a little bit of. There's a little bit of that in this as well.

[Myron]

Well, and you know, Lamar and the Ravens obviously in a bad place, but I don't know that we'll look back and think that anyone had a better opportunity than what Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson have had the last couple of years to get a Super bowl ring. Kansas City has not looked like this great team that was unbeatable for three years now, even though they got back to the super bowl last year. Now Mahomes is out. Like, now is when you got to get it done. And I think that whole franchise is going to face even more pressure because. Because Mahomes is not in the mix.

[Matt]

So who do you like tonight with the in Detroit against the Steelers again?

[Myron]

Every other game they've won. So they're supposed to be taking Detroit.

[Matt]

I kind of like Detroit as well, too. Let's go quickly to Josh Allen. Bills are playing at the Browns. A pretty awful performance from Shador last week. Do you give them any chance? So this feels like the weird kind of game where the Bills could. I mean, I feel like the Bills either win this game by 30 or it's a field goal game with a minute to go.

[Myron]

It's a cliche to say a team plays down to its competition, but the Bills actually do that. And you're right. Like, this feels like one of those games. Remember when the Patriots were incredible, but they lose to Miami like once every two years.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Myron]

Like, this feels like that kind of game for Josh Allen and the Bills. They're coming off two really tough games that they managed to win. Uh, you got Miles Garrett going for the sack record, one and a half sacks away. Can he get to Josh Allen and make history? But I still think the Bills win. I just think these games are always closer than they should be with them.

[Matt]

But do you agree with my scenario? This is either a route.

[Myron]

Yes.

[Matt]

Or it comes down to the last.

[Myron]

Drive 100% because the bills just put themselves in these situations. They win a lot in these situations, but it won't be surprised me if it's close game.

[Matt]

Are you. Are. You know, every week people flip back and forth on the Shador truther. Where are you now on the scale?

[Myron]

Same place I've always been. I mean, I don't know that he's proven that he can be a franchise quarterback. I think the Browns still need a quarterback.

[Matt]

So you think they still draft somebody?

[Myron]

They have to go and get a quarterback?

[Matt]

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[Myron]

Matt and Myron, the podcast.

[Matt]

It's Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio, presented by Progressive Insurance. This isn't the version I would have picked for Little Drummer Boy. Who is this?

[Myron]

Yeah, I don't know. It ain't from the Soul Holiday Station.

[Matt]

It seems like it was recording somebody's basement.

[James]

I. I guess it was whatever was in the system.

[Matt]

Yeah, well, we need to get a new system because that's not the Little Drummer Boy.

[Myron]

That's not from the Soul station.

[Matt]

Either you either do Bob Seeger or you do that choir. You don't do that. But nevertheless, still my favorite Christmas carol. We are getting you ready, counting you down to kickoff. But it's not just NFL games. There's other things going on in the sports world, which means we need headlines. Extra, extra. Read all about it. Read all about it.

[Myron]

The Sunday headlines.

[Matt]

All right, let's get started. James, tell me what's happening in sports.

[James]

All right, first up, Jake Paul drove himself to the hospital with a broken jaw after being knocked out by Anthony Joshua.

[Matt]

He drove himself?

[James]

That's what it says. Paul, who is now 12 and two, was dropped to the canvas three times on his way to a round six knockout by Joshua in Miami Friday night. He later shared an X ray with two fractures alongside the caption quote, double broken jaw.

[Matt]

I respect my man who has so much. Like, he's such a control freak, he drives himself to the hospital. That feels like the kind of thing I would do with two broken jaws. Myron loves boxing. Like, he loves it. Like he loves boxing. Like, I love. Loved wrestling in, like, 1999, so. And you hate Jake Paul boxing, right?

[Myron]

Well, I just hate that. Where the sport is, like, I hate that people have decided that this is boxing now. I mean, that's the part that bothered me. Like, it's a spectacle. And if you told me this was like a sideshow thing, fine. But like, you know, 60 billion people or whatever watch this thing, and they.

[Matt]

Why is it bad that 60 million people, not the sport? Why?

[Myron]

Because there are actual boxers who should be on the highest platform, and we just don't. And I don't blame Jake Paul, let me make clear. I blame all the folks behind the scenes in the sport who just didn't do a good job of promoting somebody.

[Matt]

So is Anthony Joshua. I've heard of Anthony Joshua, but I don't know his status. Is he still considered a great boxer?

[Myron]

He's a world Class boxer, former champion, Olympic gold medalist. He's not top four or five for me right now, but he's definitely top 10 and a very dangerous person.

[Matt]

And he won't. And he knocked him out. And it was for a round. I mean, some of it stunk, but when the last round or two was, as a neutral observer, kind of exciting. Why is that not good for boxing?

[Myron]

Because, because he shouldn't be in the ring. I mean, to, to put jock, to put Jake Paul in the ring with the legit fighter like that, you're telling the general public that anybody can do this.

[Matt]

And that's really bad for knocked out, isn't that?

[Myron]

But, but Matt, if we pulled some from, pulled someone from the stands and said, hey, you're playing with the Lakers tonight.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Myron]

And you're going to start next to LeBron and all those guys.

[Matt]

See, I've always wanted that. You know, I, I, I've said for a long time that if we want to appreciate our athletes, we need to put a regular dude. Like, like, I've said this before, like the hundred meter dash in the Olympics. It is hard for me to, like, quantify how fast these guys are, but if I put, like, you out there with them, I would get a sense of just how fast they are.

[Myron]

From 1992-97, there were 19 movies about just that. There was a baseball kid who played in the major league, a basketball player who played in the NBA, but they.

[Matt]

Would always do well. I want to see them do poorly. Like, I want to have the masters. This is a controversial take. I wanted it to be the Masters. And then just like a regular dude playing golf so that you could see just how much better Scotty Shepler is than the dude at your country club.

[Myron]

Ja Rule played in a celebrity tournament, the rapper this week, and people were crowding around him. But let me tell you what happened. So he, he whiffs a couple times and then he makes contact on his drive and he hit a guy.

[Matt]

That's fine.

[Myron]

It'd be like, like, I don't think anybody wants that.

[Matt]

Like, I would like to see, like a regular guy try to hit a Hunter Green fastball. You know, I want to see this happen because I think it would be interesting. We got to see that with Jake Paul. What's next?

[James]

In an open letter to fans on Wednesday evening, Chicago Bears team president and CEO Kevin Warren said the Bears will explore other locations, including outside of Cook county, where the team owns property in Arlington Heights, Illinois, to build a dome stadium that includes the possibility of Moving the Bears out of Illinois altogether, quote, in addition to Arlington park, we need to expand our search and critically evaluate opportunities throughout the wider Chicagoland regional, including northwest Indiana. Matt, the Gary Bears has a good ring to it.

[Matt]

Yeah, man. The Gary, Indiana Bears. I first thought this is not happening. They are not moving to Gary, Indiana. I've been to Gary, Indiana multiple times. You know, fine people they ain't have they playing these games in Gary, Indiana. So I think it's a bunch of nonsense. Although I do think it's a funny thought, Myron, to bring the Bears to Gary, Indiana.

[Myron]

It's a fun thought for some people. I mean, you gonna have to clear that stadium by sundown at the end of the day. Like, no more money. You cannot play Sunday night, Monday night, Thursday night football in Gary. I'm sorry. So I just don't see that happening.

[Matt]

Well, I've been to Gary, been to Hammond, you know, that's.

[Myron]

At what time have you been to Gary? That's what I think. I mean, what time you been to Gary?

[Matt]

Mostly during the day. We didn't go. We didn't go a lot at nine. But you don't believe there's any chance this ends up being the Northwest Indiana Bears?

[Myron]

No. It's a mess that we even got to this point, though. You know, at the end of the day, what I don't like matters when teams go. If you care about sports, you'll build a giant stadium where we want you to build. It's like, nah, man, you're more to the world than sports.

[Matt]

I agree. And Chicago's got plenty of problems they don't need to spend public money on. The other thing is, I don't understand why you're building a dome and you're the Bears. The advantage is it being cold. Myron and I disagree about this. He wants everything to be in a dome. I think football should be outside. I don't want a dome. I don't.

[Myron]

You build a dome, you build a dome because you don't trust that your team's going to be good. So you don't want to give fans another reason to not want Bears fans go to games.

[Matt]

This is not like some that Bears fans go play the games outside. I bet most Bears fans agree with me. What's next?

[James]

Lots going on in college basketball this week. Kentucky beat St. John's Duke lost their first game. They lost Texas Tech. Houston beat John Calipari in Arkansas by double digits. So what was the most surprising outcome?

[Matt]

Myron, I'll let you go because you know What I'm gonna say, I mean.

[Myron]

I'm sure Matt will say Kentucky. I'll go with Texas Tech. Man, they were down 17 against Duke in New York City. I mean, that Texas team. Texas Tech team with JT Topping, Christian Anderson, like, they can win a national championship. I think they beat a very good Duke team. Cameron Boozer is amazing. He's going to need some more help.

[Matt]

In order for the free throw at the end. And he missed the wide open three at the end. Just say. Not saying. Just saying.

[Myron]

But he won a lot of games for them before that, and I think he'll win more going forward, too.

[Matt]

Yeah, I'm going to take Kentucky. Rick Patino tried to get cute during the game. Did you see his interview during the game?

[Myron]

Yes.

[Matt]

They asked him. They're like, this game is very physical. What do you think, Rick? And Rick goes, I don't know what you're talking about. We're choir boys. We wouldn't do anything wrong. Like, he was trying to be cute because they were winning, and then he ended up losing the game. Kentucky came back in the second half. They've got two players who've been injured, who are back, and now they're going to be, I think, a solid team. And the. The student beats the teacher as Mark Pope beats Rick Petito.

[Myron]

Did you see the quick handshake post game? So let's talk about anything to you.

[Matt]

Did you think that that was a little weird, that they, like, blew by each other? These are supposed to be lifelong friends.

[Myron]

I thought it was important for Mark Pope because, you know, remember, Mark Pope starts with basically being like, I'm here because of Rick Patino. Rick Patino comes back. Big blue madness. I think all that was fun for that moment, but I thought the handshake was a. All right, we're on the same level now.

[Matt]

You think so?

[Myron]

Is that how you read 100% that. That. That's like, I'm no longer sort of the student. I'm. I'm right there with you. I thought that was an important student.

[Matt]

Has become the teacher.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah. It was definitely a blow by. It was definitely a blow by Rick Patino. You know, is he still, Even now at St. John's the most visible figure in the sport? Like, do you think he is. If people were to say, who is the face of college basketball? Is it Rick Patino?

[Myron]

Yeah, I think. I mean, coaches. I mean, him most popular, certainly most recognizable, I would say. I mean, Bill Selva is probably in there. Izzo. But Rick Patino's probably the Most in there.

[Matt]

He's probably still the guy. What's next?

[James]

All right. Chris Paul and the Clippers parted ways recently. But at the beginning of the year to try to help some to build some team chemistry in the locker room, he held a Halloween party, invited the team. But on ESPN, LA 7 10, Ramona Shelburne said that only three players came to that Halloween party.

[Matt]

Nothing worse than having a party.

[James]

Bradley, Bill, and maybe Zubok came. So no one came to Chris Paul.

[Matt]

So I take my view on this from Jeff Teague, who I take all views on when it comes to the NBA, Jeff Teague says ain't nobody want to hang out with married people. That was his. That was his thing. He was saying it wasn't cause they don't like Chris Paul. It's because they don't want to go to a party with married people. Do you agree with that?

[Myron]

That's probably a part of it.

[James]

Also.

[Myron]

What were the requirements? Like, I don't like parties where people say, you gotta dress up like this or do this thing or bring these four things. If I'm coming to y' all's world party, I'm just showing up. Don't give me five steps I have to take to actually get to your party.

[Matt]

But if you're single and I'm single and you're single, I'm single.

[Myron]

But you.

[Matt]

Huh, well, I'm single. Yeah. Sorry. I can understand not wanting to go to a married party. You do you feel. You feel like. Yeah, you know, you feel weird. You're like, I'm single. And everybody's like, oh, who you date now? And it's like, you know, and it.

[Myron]

Feels like Chris Paul's gonna make you play board games and stuff. Like you don't want to.

[Matt]

Yeah, he's gonna play board games and you're. It's Halloween. There's things like you want to go see the costumes? That's where I totally understand more NFL next here on Matt Myron.

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[Myron]

The podcast.

[Matt]

So this is the Pogue song. I was talking about it. It sounds not great right here, but when the chorus comes it's like, I didn't know about. I think it's called Fairy Tale of New York. I think it's big in like, I don't know, Ireland, Scotland, one of those luns over there. And. And then like for whatever reason I found it on TikTok and now I'm. I like it because it's like kind of. It's kind of pretty and it's. It's nice. Do you know this song?

[Myron]

I don't. I can't understand what they're saying. It's like the melody's cool though. I don't know what the lyrics are though.

[Matt]

Turn it up for just a second. So you don't understand those words right there. You don't understand like Irish people.

[Myron]

Is he okay? Like, I don't.

[Matt]

No, he's just. What do you mean? He's just Irish. Like Irish. What do you mean? Is he okay? That's not a game show, Myron. Is he okay or is he Irish? That's not a.

[Blake Anderson]

That's might be able to make it one.

[Matt]

That's not. That's not a game you play. That's just an Irish accent. Do you not know Irish and Scottish accents.

[Myron]

I mean I do, but that even feels like. It feels like he's over Irish.

[Matt]

That's what they sound like. They're not supposed to make it to where Myron Metcalf understands them. It's. Never mind. You can't. You don't appreciate the beauty of the fairy tale.

[Myron]

Oh, you were like. I want you to hear this beautiful song.

[Matt]

It's the chorus. That's where you really feel that, you know, you feel the kind of. Maybe they'll play the chorus for the neck. Well, we got Blake Anderson. I don't know if he wants to hear it. I'm just telling you. Here we go. There the bells are ringing their Myron. You see there you can. Today, yeah. All of you Irish folks, the Panthers host the Bucks. Coverage begins at noon eastern on select ESPN radio station. Just for the record, I think Ireland is a beautiful country and I. It's one of my favorite places to visit in Myron. It does not speak for me. The Bucks and the Panthers are on espn.

[Myron]

I didn't say anything about Ireland.

[Matt]

You said you couldn't understand what they were saying. This is for first place in the NFC South. These teams play each other two times over the next three weeks. So this division is going to be decided. Probably it's a two game series and then I think whoever. Well, I'm not. I guess if it splits, I'm not sure who has the tiebreaker. But either way they will play each other. They're going to decide the division on the field together. Who do you like between these two teams? The inconsistent Panthers or the reeling Bucks?

[Myron]

We could play the same segment we've done for the last eight years. Every time you get to week 16, the AFC, the NFC south hangs in the balance and it usually involves the Bucks and usually the Falcons. The Panthers aren't always in the middle.

[Matt]

It's the same thing.

[Myron]

You're exactly every reason. Yeah.

[Matt]

And it's always the same like they're all 7 and 7 and Chris Myers is like, can you please give me another game? You're right. I mean this is the same conversation in the last eight years and they.

[Myron]

All play like four times in the last five weeks to decide the division. Like I don't understand the NFC south, but it's odd to me. Well, you had the Panthers earned the driver's seat. They go lose to New Orleans. You had a Bucks team that people were calling a Super bowl sleeper for a while and they falling apart as well. So it's like two teams that have Kind of limped to the finish line a little bit. I don't think you believe in either one of them getting into the playoffs and making any noise, but I think there's a lot on the line. If you're the Bucks and all these guys keep getting hurt, like, how much better can you be if you're the Bucks, like, at what point do you say, we've kind of done what we can do? And then if you're the Panthers, the.

[Matt]

Question for me is just how hurt is Baker? Okay, if Baker is hurt, then I give him credit for playing, and I kind of tend to wipe away his performances the last few weeks because they've not been good. If he's not hurt, then I think it's a legitimate question, but I get the sense that he's hurt, and I think you're giving him credit for just trying, but I think he's hurt. And if he's hurt, it's hard for me to judge whether or not, long term, the Bucks still have a path.

[Myron]

I think it's not Baker I'm concerned about. I think he is hurt. I agree with that. I don't know. The last time you told me Baker Mayfield went into a game and the bucks were 80% healthy. Like, they just have not been healthy ever, it feels like. And that's something where you go, okay.

[Matt]

Would you make a change? Would you make a change?

[Myron]

I mean, I think it's. I think if you don't win this division and what looks like the most winnable division in the NFL, of course you make a change, I would think, because how much easier can it get? It has walked away with this. What happens?

[Matt]

You know, it has to hurt them that they had Liam Cohen on staff and now he's down the road and has transformed the Jacksonville franchise. I mean, that has to hurt him, right?

[Myron]

I don't know. I don't think that's what hurt him. I think how everything went down is probably what hurt him. Remember, like, they weren't sure if Liam was staying or going that way.

[Matt]

But I'm saying, like, Liam proved. Liam has proved every step of the way that he was going to have success. He developed Baker in with the Rams. He. Then he did it in Tampa. He made Will Levis a first round pick at Kentucky. Like, it's. And now he's transformed Trevor Lawrence. Like, you had that guy on your sideline, and then he went down the road to Jacksonville and did what he could have potentially done there.

[Myron]

Well, I think what it proves, and I think Dan Campbell's dealing with this a lot is, you know, Todd Bowles. These aren't the guys who are sort of the offensive gurus. They've hired really smart people to play that role. That's who Liam Cohen was in Tampa Bay. That's who Ben Johnson was in Detroit. You lose those guys, it's hard to replace them. Like, it's hard to find someone who can kind of feel that void. And I think that's what you're seeing a lot of in those situations.

[Matt]

Do you. Do you. What do you think of that? What do you make of the Panthers? Like, they beat somebody good, then they lose. I am confident, James, you can look this up. I'm confident. They have played the Falcons nine times.

[Myron]

This. It feels like.

[Matt]

Like I literally. I know that the Panthers and the Falcons have played each other nine times, and it feels like they lose every single time. What do you make of them?

[Myron]

I don't think they get to, like, a playoff level consistently with Bryce Young, but I don't think it's just on Bryce Young who's played better. I mean, he's had a lot of big moments. They just don't have enough at a lot of positions. I think this is a shock for a lot of people that they got to this point. But if the Bucks are going to suddenly be bad in that division with New Orleans and a Falcons team that's playing, you know, Kirk Cousins, you have to win this division.

[Matt]

You did.

[Myron]

Like, I think that, to me, is the situation.

[Matt]

I mean, what's odd is we're on week 16. The team that might be playing the best is New Orleans. I mean, they're out of it because of the start of their year, but I actually think they may be playing better than anybody else. The Bengals play the Dolphins. TUA is benched. Quinn Ewers will start today. Here's what Mike McDaniel said as to why he was benching to the decision.

[Myron]

Is complicated, but simple. The simple piece is I think Quinn gives this team the best chance to win. You know, our focus is obviously to win the next three games, but in particular, like I tell the players, we are focused on beating the Bengals. So that was the motivation. Zach will be backing them up and two will be the emergency. Emergency.

[Matt]

Yeah. I have to tell you. Yeah, I understood that. Like, you understood that Pogue song? Like, I don't. I didn't have any idea. I mean, there's a lot of us in there. And how do you go from he's our starter to he's third string?

[Myron]

Yeah, I mean, and the problem is they owe him 54 million fully guaranteed in 2026. Like they can't get out of that. Like 2 is getting $54 million guaranteed no matter what. That's why you should pay.

[Matt]

You shouldn't have paid.

[Myron]

I'll give you credit on that. I mean, we talked a lot about whether or not you pay the tours. I will say I don't think he's been the same guy since those vicious concussions a couple years ago, which makes.

[Matt]

It hard to talk about. But I still have the same view. I have. It's controversial. It's one that Most of these GMs don't subscribe to. If you don't have a top eight quarterback or top 10 at best, you cannot give him a max deal. You cannot. It's it. You will crush your franchise. I would say you give every quarterback four years and if he's not top 10, you go draft you another one. That's the only way to do this. This idea that you can give the Tuas of the world or not even just the tuas go back, just go through them. The Daniel Jones. You name the guy that they give these contracts to.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And that you think you're gonna. That's how you cripple your franchise. So what? So you can compete for a wild card. You just can't do it that way.

[Myron]

It's not a good look. I mean, two is probably hurting other quarterbacks money after what just happened with my.

[Matt]

I think that's exactly right. We are going to learn more about the bowl game that Myron and I call. We will talk to the head coach, the new head coach of Southern Miss getting ready for the New Orleans bowl and more on the NFL. That's next here on Matt Myron on ESPN Radio.

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[Blake Anderson]

Good deal to see how we all survive.

[Matt]

I listened to you. Yeah, exactly. We'll see. We'll meet up afterwards and figure it out. I listened to your press conference yesterday, Blake, and you, you've coached at a couple other spots. Arkansas State, Utah State brought in his offensive coordinator, Charlie Huff leaves for Memphis, and now you take over this job. It was interesting. They named you an interim, did a search, and then picked you. How did that feel, to be able to both be there and survive the search?

[Blake Anderson]

Well, redheaded, competitive, temper got the best of me immediately when I wasn't just immediately elevated. And then I honestly, I just slept on it, prayed about it a little bit. Listen to Jeremy talk about what he wanted the process to accomplish. And honestly, I just had complete peace about it. Just felt like God was going to work it out. If it was my job, my time, then it would work that way. If not, man, I wanted Jeremy to feel very comfortable in the fan base, to feel comfortable that they hired the right guy. I look back at it now and feel like it was absolutely the right approach. I think an immediate elevation. A lot of people could have had questions about who else wanted it. Who else could they have looked at? Did they get the right guy? Was it a hasty decision? But by vetting, you know, I think a bunch of candidates really thoroughly and going through the process as if it was just a wide open search. I think it allowed us to get to know each other a little bit better, make sure that. That we were doing the right thing and that I was the right fit at the right time. And I felt I was in the beginning, but. But I wanted them to feel that way, and I want the fan base to feel that way as well. And I think the way the process went accomplished all those things, and we're able to move forward with a clean conscious that this is the right approach.

[Myron]

December is such a chaotic month for college football. Going into. When the Portal opens in early January, when you get named official head coach, how does that stabilize everything for your program at this point?

[Blake Anderson]

It didn't stabilize anything. It's still just as chaotic as it was before. I mean, it just. It just is. So clearly with. With Huff only staying a limited time, that's going to add some. Some stress to the situation. There's a lot of guys that are on our roster only because they came with him in the beginning, and a lot of those guys still have eligibility left. They're going to have to make decisions. They can't all go to Memphis. He doesn't have spots for everybody. Some of them will probably go. We'd like to keep some of those guys. So we're recruiting them as well. So there goes that. That's one recruiting battle. The portal itself and all the money that's available to some of these guys that played at a high level, that's a second recruiting battle we have to face. And then, you know, and then there's just pure attrition that comes with college football in general. We got some guys that go on the Portal that shouldn't. So we had 31 seniors or so. You add another five to 10 guys that might go with coach off, another five to 10 guys that might chase, you know, the Portal itself. And you look up and, I mean, it's going to be pure chaos. It stabilized a handful of guys, it stabilized half the staff. And so if they're. I mean, I don't know if there is a such a word as stable anymore in college football. You just got to. You just got to be able to do about a million things at once and multitask really, really well. And when smoke clears, hope that you put together a really good staff and solidified a roster that can compete. And that's what we're going to do.

[Matt]

You had. We have 23 guys on your roster who followed Coach Huff from Marshall. And like you, some of the staff followed Coach Huff from Marshall. And like, I do wonder. I thought about this, like, how do you. How do you do all that? I would think, and you tell me if I'm wrong, where you are, which is a G5 school, but one with a big history and one with some resources and a chance to really be one of the better G5 teams. It is both chaotic. You're going to lose guys, but there also might be opportunities to figure out the system and get guys maybe you wouldn't have been used to be able to get. Like, do you think there's a part of this that's almost like putting a puzzle together and you need to be like, maybe more clever as a coach than you did 10 years ago?

[Blake Anderson]

Yeah, you. You definitely have to see it as an opportunity. And you can't. You can't get all bent out of shape on every kid's decision. Like, there's a lot of people pulling at them. You've got relationships with Huff that's going to factor in. You've got financial conversations with some of these guys getting offered six figures and plus from agents and other, other. I mean, look, let's face it, they don't have to be in the portal to be being offered opportunities. We all know that the tampering is like, ridiculous. So whether they're going through an agent or a high school coach or a. Or a 7 on 7 coach, it don't matter. If a guy's playing at a high level and has eligibility left and a Power 5's got money to spend, they will find out. So that's all happening. You got to pick your battles where you can retain as many as you can, but also look for the opportunities where you go back out. Sign a couple more high school guys that maybe you didn't have room for before. Sign a couple JC guys that maybe, you know, landed on our lap. We signed three JC guys in the last 24 hours that we thought were really, really good players that we didn't think we had room for before. Now we do, and then attack the portal by position based off what you need. The bottom line is there's going to be way more guys in the portal than there are spots to fill. So finding the right ones by thinking outside the box a little bit and maybe finding value in a guy that other people don't, or seeing a guy that's got some really good traits but not great stats yet. And that's how you turn a guy into, you know, a future great player that maybe even you get for a Little bit less money because he just hasn't had a great opportunity yet. So I think you have to be very creative and you've got to take one battle at a time and can't get caught up and. And get so bogged down in one battle or one kid or one scenario that you. You can't open your possibilities up in your mind up to some other options.

[Myron]

This is Southern Miss versus Western Kentucky, but how important will it be for Braylon Braxton to kind of out duel Rodney Tisdale Jr. In this quarterback matchup?

[Blake Anderson]

Well, I think it's huge, man. If quarterback plays well, you got a chance to win. We see that every day at every level from junior high all the way up to NFL. I mean, your quarterback plays well, you get a chance to win. If he doesn't, it makes it really, really difficult. Puts a lot of heavy lifting on everybody else. He's. He struggled down a stretch, helped to be healthy, got beat up, had an injury at Arkansas State in that game, and he. He finally was able to get off of that leg and rehab and strengthen and happy to say he looks like himself again. We were a different offense before the injury. He was a different quarterback after, and it definitely changed what we were able to do. He's had a phenomenal bowl prep, excited about the game. Think he's opened up a lot of eyes at the next level, and I would love to see him have a great game and finish up on a high.

[James]

Not.

[Matt]

Yeah, I think a lot. I've, you know, Myron doesn't believe me, but I've been watching tape on your team, and I actually think he's a great, great kid to. To watch. I think fans will enjoy it. I appreciate your time, Blake. Good luck. I. By the way, the. I said at your press conference, immaculate hair. I just wanted to give you credit as a. I thought your hair that day with the. It just was perfect. So big shout out to you, Ms. Jean.

[Blake Anderson]

That cuts my hair. I don't know if she's listening. She gets a shout out. She does an amazing job.

[Matt]

You better be tipping Ms. Jean with that big hat money. Good friend of mine. A good friend of mine is one of your boosters, and I'm gonna tell him to give you. Well, I'm not gonna say his name on the air, but a good friend of mine, send me a big check, all right? He's gonna be at the game on Tuesday.

[Blake Anderson]

All right, take care, guys. Thanks.

[Matt]

Thank you very much. All right, now, not only do we have a New Orleans bowl, we have a King of the mountain. You at this point, if you listen to this show, you know King of the mountain. The goal is to find out who has the best takes. You get 30 seconds. You can do the topic. Whoever does the best is this week's King of the mountain. And then if it's really good, you become the king of the mountain. We have a two week winner. He's going for his third title. 888 say say ESPN your hottest takes but you need to make it quick. Myron, I was asked what makes for a good King of the mountain take. What would you describe?

[Myron]

Straighten to the point. Don't deviate, don't stick to the point.

[Matt]

And then if you do, would you recommend people try to be entertaining?

[Myron]

Yes. But don't give us, give us substance over everything else.

[Matt]

I would say, well, the reigning champion King of the mountain is DJ in San Antonio. He hit Lane Kiffin pretty well and by the way, it has aged correctly. Do you like Lane Kiffin's new hot yoga pics by the way, in Baton Rouge? He's keeping it up. He's ridiculous. Man, I can't wait for that game shows up at Hot yoga wherever he is in various forms of nudity. We will do the hot takes at King of the Mountain. 888 say ESPN. That's next here on Matt Myron on ESPN Radio.

[Myron]

Matt and Myron the podcast.

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