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The world moves fast. Your workday even faster. Pitching products, drafting reports, analyzing data. Microsoft 365 Copilot is your AI assistant for work built into Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and other Microsoft 365 apps you use, helping you quickly write, analyze, create, and summarize so you can cut through clutter and clear a path to your best work. Learn more@Microsoft.com M365 copilot this is Matt and Myron. The podcast Fun first hour. Counting you down. To kick off here, I met Myron on ESPN Radio. Myron, I just put up on the video screen here. This is a man. Somebody did the picture of you in the bathtub talking to Myron McGee or Matt Ryan, Marty McGee. No, just look up. Look at your screen. Look at your zoom. You can see right there. Look at that.
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Come on, man.
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That was Meyer with his sneakers. Thank you to Michelle Beth, 77 for that.
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Wow, they can do that stuff that fast, man.
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Man, that really looks like you. I'm gonna go ahead and retweet that. I want everybody to be able to see that.
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Don't. Don't, man. That's not. No, don't retweet it.
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You want me to retweet it?
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Because people aren't gonna know it's AI, though.
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Here, Just. Okay, well, I accidentally retweeted it. I mean, maybe it'll. Maybe it'll go away. 888 say ESP. Got a couple people on I want to get to real quick before we go to the next story. Scott in Virginia. Go ahead, Scott. Hey, guys. First of all, the. This is by far the best weekend show on sports talk, so thank you very much. Thank you, Yalls. Banter between each other is absolutely hilarious. Secondly, little recommendation for Myron.
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Because it.
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Might be off the beaten path, but.
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Adidas sambas are super comfortable flats. Kids like the sambas very fashionable, and they have a World cup version. So you could rock that and go the red, white, and blue before the World Cup. I appreciate the call. Here's the only thing about the sambas. You can do it, but it's very like New York East Village girl. Look, if that's what you want to.
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Pull off, that's a lot. That's a lot in one shoe.
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I'm just saying. Going with that.
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I'm just pinpointing this to one block in New York.
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Westville, maybe. Westville, just the village. Like you. You know, you're going to SoHo, you got your sambas. Like, it might be something like that.
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But I mean, I feel like people wear sambas, like, actually play soccer.
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Some do. Yeah, some do. Some do. But you don't. You don't play soccer. Am I correct?
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I did play when I was young.
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A Y, A Y, S O.
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What is that? Ay. What is that?
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I don't know. That's what I played when I was a kid. I thought that's what you.
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Oh, yeah, I played. I played fourth grade. I was just. What do they call that? Not sinner.
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Not the.
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Who's the dude in the back?
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Fullback. Fullback or something else.
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It was something else. I was. No, it was. No, I was something in between, like the center, the goalie, and the forward midfielder. I don't know what that position. Nope, there was a name for it. That was.
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That's not a real thing. Let's go to Scott in Virginia. Go ahead, Scott.
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I played soccer, man.
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Yeah, it sounds like it. Go ahead, Scott. You just got me. I think. I don't know what that means. All right, I appreciate the call. What did he say? I don't know what that means. He said, you just got me. I don't know what that means. Giannis did not finish Friday night's loss to Denver, 102 to 100 because of a right calf injury. He said after the game he expects to be sidelined for four to six weeks. He'll undergo an MRI on Saturday, further evaluate the injury. There have been a lot of thoughts that the Giannis trade talks had heated up, and we might even get one this weekend. And then he goes and gets hurt in the game before people thought the trade would occur. Myron, does this ruin Giannis's trade value, or could Milwaukee, you think trading with the notion of he'll be back for your team in six weeks?
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I think it affects his trade value on a lot of levels. But it's still Giannis, right? So if you tell me Giannis is going to be the guy who can help you make that push toward the playoffs, and then you have him in the playoffs, I still think you make the move, like, if I'm the Golden State warriors, and it's like, all right, you kind of play 500 ball until he gets healthy, but you have a chance to get him. And then I think what it affects is the teams that want him will probably want to know that this is someplace he wants to be and that they have a chance to sign him long term. But this is Giannis. I mean, to me, if you're the Bucks, you still see what's out there. But what's Interesting to me.
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What's interesting to me, though is I was shocked how soft the market was for Giannis to begin with. If you just look at the reports, I mean, Giannis is going to go down in history is what, at a minimum, Myron, top 25 player, at a minimum, maybe top 30, something like that. Usually guys like that, they don't come on the market and when they do, franchises will say you can have whatever you want. But this didn't happen with this one. The two deals that have been most widely talked about were to Dallas for Anthony Davis and to New York for Carl Towns. Two Kentucky guys. Now, Anthony Davis is an all time great, Carl Towns is an all time good. But it didn't look like the Knicks wanted to pull the trigger on it. And then Dallas is not even in the playoff. Like, they're not in the playoffs right now. And with Giannis hurt, they might not even make the playoffs by the time he got back. Are you a little surprised that the market for Giannis hasn't been stronger?
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Yeah, I guess I want to know what the market is in terms of like, what's happening behind the scenes. But that's.
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Those are the reports that those are the two most likely candidates.
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Yeah, I think. I think a bunch of teams that would have been candidates for Giannis a year ago, the summer going into last season or even this last summer, they're pretty good. I mean, you remember there was a buzz about San Antonio, him playing next to Wimby.
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Yes. They don't want.
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Doesn't need. Yeah.
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At this point, you don't want to put Giannis on that team. Houston, Houston's had their ups and downs, but I don't know if you want to ruin that with Houston either.
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No, it's in goo. You're not trading Sengun for him. I mean, there are a bunch of guys who I think you could have made a trade for him going into this season and teams would have said definitely, but. But now, like a lot of these teams are pretty good, they're rolling.
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But what amazes me, I guess what I'm saying though is Giannis is pretty much universally one of the six to seven best players in the league. But when you look at who people have offered as the centerpiece of the trade back. Anthony Davis, yeah, He's a top 50 player all time, but he's 34 years old and he's hurt consistently. Carl Towns is not the best player on the Knicks. He's the second best player. The Houston deal was supposed to like, be based around Reed shepherd, who I love, but we're talking about Giannis. You know, it's. It's amazing to me, like, if Jokic was up for trade, teams would give up whatever for him, right? Like, he could. Like, the teams would give whatever they could. Giannis does not command that value. And it surprises me a little bit.
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Yeah, it doesn't. It's. I think a lot of teams will still trade for Giannis and they would give you a package to get Giannis. I think the teams that are pretty good don't need Giannis the way I think they might have needed him a year ago.
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Or even Houston won't give up Sin Goon. Think about what an absurd sentence that would have been six months ago that Houston wouldn't give up Sin Goon for Giannis.
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But I think that, I think the reality is Milwaukee probably felt like, okay, his trade value is always going to be really, really high. We don't have to make a move coming into the season. But now these teams are good, like Boston. I remember there were kind of ideas after Taylor. Boston is pretty good.
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I get all that. But I am shocked. Well, I'm not shocked. I actually think it makes sense. But I think it has been very interesting to see that Giannis is not as. People don't want him as much as you would think. I mean, if Shea. Alex, look at the guys on his level. Shea Alexander's up for trade. People are giving up whatever. Jokic, people are giving up whatever, you know, younger guys. But with Giannis, they're like, yeah, we can't give you Sin Goon. We can't give you. We can't give you Carl Town. Like, it's kind of amazing that he is not. Does not have the value. Even before the injury.
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He's 30 now. I think that's a factor. The age is a factor. I also think teams aren't willing to mortgage their futures the way they would have been.
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But on him, but on him a.
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Year ago, like, let's say a team like la, if you call LA and say, give us Austin Reeves for Giannis going into the summer, that would have been a no brainer, right? If the money worked out.
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This is Giannis and that. Like, and the idea that, like, you're like, I gotta keep Austin Reeves instead of Giannis, like, I just think for as good as he is, there is something. I think you're right. Part of its injury, part of it's being 30 years old. But there's also, I think there's this sense of I don't know if Giannis is the dude that you want as a centerpiece of a team that's already rolling. I think people seem to think that.
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I don't think it's a talent or skill wise. I think it's teams are rolling and again but they would have gone the Lakers rolling, but I think Milwaukee missed their window. I do too. Ultimately, when the trade rumors started a year ago, that's when you make the move. If a guy's making it clear he doesn't want to be there, act on it. You don't wait.
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I agree, but I think even they couldn't have foreseen a world where Sin Goon and Austin Reeves were not on the table for Giannis. Good. Like that's that's really an amazing situation. Time to do some headlines. We will do them right after this. I'm Matt Myron.
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Matt and Myron the Podcast it is.
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Snowing heavily here in Kentucky. Kind of snowed into my house. As soon as this is over I'm going to go try to clean off my car. What's the best way to clean ice off the car besides just scraping? Because I don't own a scraper. So tell me, tell me the scrape.
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Scraping is the best way.
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But I don't have one. So what should I do?
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Why don't you. You got a credit card?
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You got. I. I think.
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Well, but I don't have to. I can't.
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Go your car on.
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Okay, turn your car on. But how. But that's like, you know, now I'm polluting the environment. Is there anything else? Anything else? Like you can't pour hot water on it. You'll crack your window. I know that. I heard that over the years.
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A broom maybe.
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I do have a broom. I could use that. But you still got to get to the ice. Is it ice?
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Snow?
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I think it's snow. I think it's ice on top, snow underneath. So I think that's helpful.
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Credit card will do it.
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Credit card?
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Credit card.
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What do you mean a credit card? What do you do?
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Use a credit card and take the corner of it?
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Yeah.
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What you want to be able to do is you want to be able to crack the ice, right? So like find almost like an edge, an entry point into the ice and just scrape it. And then with the credit card you little by little get underneath the chunks of ice.
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See the only way that works, if you have one of those big time Myron metal credit cards, you got to have one of those that they give you. That weighs a lot when you, when you make the big money like Myron TV Metcalf JI it is now time Matt Myers did by Progressive Insurance see if you could save it. Progressive Commercial Dot com. It's time for headlines. Extra, extra. Read all about it.
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The Sunday headlines.
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All right, let's get James. What's up first?
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All right, so climber Alex Honnold successfully completed a free solo ascent of the Taipei 101 skyscraper in Taiwan on Saturday, doing so without a rope or a harness. In an event that streamed live on Netflix for a worldwide audience. Harnold reached the very top of the tower in 1 hour, 31 minutes and 40 seconds less than the allotted 2 hour time created for the Netflix stream. He stood at the top and he took a selfie at the top of the structure after he got up there. Did you guys watch this? What did you think about it?
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I did watch a few minutes of it. Very tense. Reminded me when the guy jumped from space and he came through. Remind me of that where you watched him jump through space. I am not sure why I found this intriguing, but I did and it felt dangerous. It didn't seem to make him feel dangerous. He was like doing jumps and loops and stuff while he was up there. But as far as a good Saturday night TV entertainment, Myron I'll take.
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Was one of the most incredible feats I've ever seen. Okay, Maybe the, maybe the most incredible people have to understand this man is a free climber. No equipment, like nothing other than like he's got some chalk and like a pouch behind him to kind of put chalk on his hands. He's just wearing climbing shoes and it's just his hands. 1700ft. And now here's the thing. They had these things on the building that they called dragons, I believe. So he has to like navigate and scale up these things. And there were a bunch of times, Matt, where he's got one hand on the building and he's leaning back to get the right angle so he could scale this thing. That's greater than the flu game. To me, what he did yesterday, I mean it's incredible. No, anything to support him and then he's waving at people in the building.
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He was almost taunting gravity. Like he gets the 60th floo. He starts making out with his wife. Like everything is like, like it's just, he's, he's got no worries in the world.
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No. And I'll tell you his trick. So because I saw the documentary solo, if you haven't had a chance to watch it, most human beings, 60 to 100 is their resting heart rate, right? If you're pretty healthy, 60s, maybe 50s. If you're elite, he's down to the 30s. So like whatever our bodies do with those adrenaline rushes or when we feel fear, his body doesn't do that. And it's just incredible. I mean, that is one of the greatest things I've ever seen.
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It was very impressive. I'm sure you can still watch it on Netflix. Go check it out. What's next?
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Every time he would let go in the building to, like, get some of the. The powder, the chalk, and his, like, fanny pack, that was terrifying. I have no idea how anyone would ever do.
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And he stood on top of it, and then at the top, he just stood up and looked around like.
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I know. He. He literally was. He did the Macarena at the top of it. It was crazy. All right, what's next?
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So LeBron James says he accomplished his goal of restoring excellence to the Lakers organization by winning a title in his tenure with the club. And he doesn't care what anyone, including team governor Jeannie Buss, feels about him at this stage of his life. James made the comments Thursday following their loss to the Clippers when he was asked about the story published by ESPN's Baxter Holmes that explored the Buss family dynamics leading up to the franchise's sale in June. The story included reporting on the alleged strained relationship between Jeannie Buss and LeBron James. A significant point of tension detail in the story was the fallout from the failed Russell Westbrook trade, which caused Bus to privately bristle for how James did not take accountability for the move. You guys see the story? What'd you think?
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I did. I think LeBron's being a little bit of. A little whiny about this. I mean, it's no secret LeBron wanted Russell Westbrook. Okay? It didn't work out. You can't then blame everybody else. You wanted him. Didn't work out. Doesn't make you the worst person in the world. But you don't act like you didn't want him. Everybody knows that LeBron is. I really like watching LeBron the basketball player, LeBron the non basketball player is exhausting at times. And this, to me, is just another example of that.
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Well, then there's also the byproduct of deciding to play into your 40s and expecting a team not to kind of move forward and just kind of build around you forever. What I thought was the most fascinating thing wasn't even this. It was Jeannie Buss who's, like, accused of, like, firing her whole family and getting rid of everybody. And they asked her about the story. She's like, I just hate the way the LeBron situation was portrayed, but she didn't care about the family stuff. She was like, oh, we pulled. He got pulled into my family drama. That, to me, is a Netflix show right there. Matt the Bus.
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I mean, they have the HBO show. I think they just need to keep going through the entire lives. Yeah, because the Bus family has got to be just a wild, insane group dynamic. As far as on the LeBron part, I don't think LeBron's bad as a. As a person or a figure. I think he's fine. But I also think it's one of those things. It's like. What's the best way to put it? It's like eating it. Did you have Long John Silver's where you were, Myron?
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Oh, yeah.
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They're making a.
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You love Long Johnson, and I do.
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Like Long John Silver, but there was a period where Long John Silver's just kind of stayed on too long. Didn't make any updates, any changes. The F felt a little old now. They just said, you know What? Let's restart. LeBron might need a restart to a different phase of his life away from basketball.
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Do you have stock in Long John Silver? Because I've never known anyone who talked about it before I met you. And you can name exactly where all the Long John Silvers are.
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You, you.
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You're like, they got a club of frequent visitors. You have a card. Like, what is it about you?
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It's a little fried dough. I love the fried dough. It's really good. The little. I don't know what you call puppies. Right? No, I'm not to stop. I know what a hush puppy is. They do little pieces of fried, like, grizzle that you get. Like. Like. That's what I'm talking about. You can't get that anywhere else. What's next?
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All right.
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No, it's this grizzle. You know what I'm talking about? Myers. Little pieces. Little tiny dots of grizzle they have always out here.
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They're always near a hotel you shouldn't stay at. Like, they're all tucked into a. All along down Silver, Zara.
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I think that's true everywhere. All right, what's next?
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So it's pretty cold out there pretty much the whole way across the United States. Myron, yesterday you said it was like negative 55 up in. Up where you are. And as we're going through this, there were. Earlier this week, there were meteorologists on social media warning about exploding trees, the possibility of exploding trees. Trees can explode during extreme cold due to SAP expansion.
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When it freezes.
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Oak, maple and fruit trees with high moisture are most vulnerable to exploding. Myron, have you encountered any exploding trees over the past couple of days with the cold up there?
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I heard some. I heard some noises. I mean, I definitely heard some like pops.
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Yeah.
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And it just, I didn't know it was a whole thing until somebody posted about it. So it, that's pretty ridiculous that trees can do that.
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You know, here in Kentucky, I did a weatherman challenge. We gave $10,000 to charity to whichever weatherman could most accurately predict the snow totals. And the final results are not in. But it's looking like Myron all ten way overestimated the snow. Which makes you wonder, is there a phenomenon of sort of snow hose right where you just like kind of you go, oh, you go over the top in snow predictions to get everybody worked up. Maybe in, in coercion with big groceries.
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Snow. What'd you say? Snow what?
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Snow hose. Like, in terms of like predicting a lot of snow to get everybody excited.
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Okay. I was thinking of something completely different. Okay. I didn't. I was.
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I think you knew what I meant. I'm just wondering if that's.
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I was wondering if we should dump that.
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And Myron, the podcast.
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It's Matt Myron on ESPN Radio. What do you think of when you hear this song, Myron?
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Show I used to watch called the Cocktail.
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I mean, it's a shame because you can't think fondly on that show anymore. But this was the legendary episode with Rudy Gay.
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Right? You know yeah, you just can't tell people about it. You know, what do you do with that.
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What do you do with that show now? Like, do you. If it comes on, can you watch it?
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Not publicly. You don't know. I mean, you. I think you just think about you.
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And I could probably name 20 episodes from that show. And it's a shame. Like, that's a huge part of my childhood. And you're right. Like that song. That song is that show. And like, you just. It's like you can't do it anymore. And I get it, but it's. You can't.
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Well. And if there's ever a Carl Winslow scandal, I'm gonna need a day off of work because I just. I can't lose family matters too. You know what I mean? I've lost Cosby Show.
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I cannot. Theo bought that. When. Theo, when. When she made Lisa or who was it, made the shirt. Denise made the shirt for Theo and it had three arms and it was.
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You know, classic episodes. But, you know, we can't.
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Also got. Adam Sandler got. Wait a minute, two things. Adam Sandler got his start on that show.
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A lot of people.
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And you know who was a guest? Jim Valvano and Dick Vital were on there once.
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I remember that.
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They played Plumbers.
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I remember that episode. I mean, that was like. There's no appointment TV anymore. No, but that was like appointment tv. You knew exactly where you had to be when the show was on. You watched it as a family. So it was. It was an important era. But, you know, obviously can't do it.
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All right. Dabo Sweeney's another guy that for different reasons I can't deal with. But sometimes Dabo does things when he's in preacher Dabo mode that are interesting. Dabo has a player name Luke Farrelli, who he got in the transfer portal, came to Clemson and he. Dabo argues that Pete Goldie, after he came to Clemson, tried to tamper and tried to get his player. Dabo went off in a press conference the other day and here's what he had to say.
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Sorrels met with Luke face to face in his office. And Luke communicated to Jordan and to Ben Boware that Pete texted him on Wednesday morning, the head coach at Ole Miss when he was in his 8am class. And he said the text message said, I know you're signed. What's the buyout? And Jordan and they also. Luke said that Coach Golding also also texted him a picture of a one million dollar contract. He also loose. Luke also mentioned to Jordan and To Ben that Coach Golding had had Trinidad Chambliss call him from his phone and that Coach Golding was. Was there continuing to talk on his phone to push him to re enter the transfer portal. He also said that Jackson Dart had reached out and called him. But Luke again assured Jordan that he had no intention of leaving. And Jordan kept me in the loop and told me the same thing.
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Now he's reading that like he's a prosecutor reading the charges off that the grand jury has reached. It is. He says he has the receipts. What's your take on Dabo calling out Pete Golden?
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I mean, I like the theater of it, you know, but part of this is. You remember Dabo only discovered the portal like two months ago, right? Remember that word?
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That's exactly.
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He didn't believe in the same nil as everybody else. And he was a guy who was anti transfer in general. And you've seen the results on the field. My problem, Matt, is I actually don't believe any coaching staff when they talk about tampering because I think they've all done it on some level. And to make this a case of, oh, man, I can't believe they did it. Well, your staff, I'm sure, has done it too, because that's just the game.
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Can I ask a more basic question? Yeah. Why is tampering wrong? Why is it wrong to ask a kid who's at one school if he wants to come to another school? Why is that wrong?
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Well, it's supposed to be against the rules.
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On.
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On.
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Is it though?
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Some level. But no, it's. But the problem is there aren't any real. These coaches. What they want us to believe is that there's this book of definitive rules that you can't violate.
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But I don't.
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That everyone has agreed to follow him.
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A
I don't even think this is a rule. This is like a gentleman's agreement. Right.
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B
It. It's. It's more of respect. Right. I respect you enough to not tamper.
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But let me. But let me. Here's where I'm going with this. This continues the theme of hypocrisy that I hate in college sports.
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When.
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When Dabo, if Dabo was coaching Louisiana Tech and Clemson called and said, would you like to be the coach at Clemson? Is that tampering?
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Well, it's not. But the thing is, why is it.
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Tampering when someone does it with a player?
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I'm with you. Coaches want to have flexibility and freedom that these players now have when it turns to their market value.
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But coaches have had it for 75 years. Forever.
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They. And I'm fine with the player doing. I'm fine with the player doing what's best for them. What I will say is this. In the rev share world, guys are signing contracts essentially with buyout language.
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Fine. Then it's on the player. And Duke sued their player for violating his language. But I want to be clear. If Clemson has a contract with a player at their school, how is Ole Miss involved? Meaning if Ole Miss wants to come in and say, we'd rather you sign with us. If the player wants to violate his contract, that's on the player. I understand that it has been the general agreement that coaches couldn't do this, but people act like they're breaking some law. And I don't understand why. Because it happens every day in business. I mean, you know, Myron, you work at espn. If, you know, the New York Times were to call you and say, hey, I'd love to you to consider working here is the New York Times. Like, no one would get mad at the New York Times for doing that.
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Well, but I mean, if you're biden by a contract, here's what I would say.
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But the New York Times is not part of your contract.
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No, but what I. What's wrong with coaches in this new landscape is they've never had to care about loyalty, but their brands have been based on loyalty with players, meaning a lot like, if you want to be a part of this team, you'll be a great teammate, you'll stick with us.
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But that was hypocrisy because they never cared about loyalty.
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I'm with you. And now that players have the flexibility to do the same thing that the coaches can do, that's why I think a lot of coaches are really upset about what.
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So you would agree, though, and I'm not. I mean, I do think dabo can be a hypocrite. But it's not just about dabo. These coaches that get mad about this stuff, are they not just being hypocrites? They've been doing this stuff for 75 years. It's just now the other people get to do it too.
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Well, and it's the people that they've always had power over. That's a.
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Exactly.
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Coaches have more power than anybody.
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And now they don't.
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They literally control. Yeah. And they controlled. I can give you a scholarship. I can take your scholarship. I can determine what happens to your career over the next three to four years. Right. And now they don't have that same Power. And I think coaches are sort of.
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They'Re upset about that, but they act like it's some sort of moral transgression. And all it is is that the, you know, the, they caught, they, they're getting the same things they've done now thrown back at them. I just have no sympathy for these coaches. I, I, if, you know, if Dabo got, if Dabo signed Luke Forelli, it's between Dabo and Luke Forelli, whether he commits to that contract. But Pete Golding has no reason or loyalty to that contract because he ain't a part of it.
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Well, I think Pete golden knows everybody else is doing it, too. You know what I mean? Pete golden knows that this is just the game at this.
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A
It is the game. I like that. So this is like the Wire, right? So this is the game. And if it's the game, you guys are making millions off. I am just, I am so tired of college coaches whining. First of all, they all act like they're forced to do this. Is anyone forcing Dabo to coach at Clemson? Is he under some sort of. Am I. Is he being held against his will?
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No.
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So you don't have to do this, right? If it's, I mean, other. A lot of coaches have gotten out of it, fine. Someone will replace you. Like, go do something else if you want. I'm just so tired of listening to these coaches. They all whine when they've been doing this for years.
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B
But, I mean, a lot of these coaches are also fairly disconnected from the real world, too.
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A
I agree.
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They've been making millions for a decade, 15 years. And they don't really have anybody in their world who can talk to them and help them understand anything.
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And they live in these little fiefdoms where they are the king who says, bring me the finest wine of the area. And everyone does it. And I just think that they, I, I'm not saying what Pete Golding did is right or wrong. I don't even really care. I just am so done with the Dabos of the world. Whining. That drives me crazy.
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B
Yeah. Made a lot of whining.
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A
Yes. But that's the way it goes. We're gonna get you ready for these games. Plus, did you see this basketball call in eastern Kentucky? Have you seen this? I've heard about it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So we got to talk about this because these are my folks. Plus Herm Edwards. He still wears her. Is he.
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B
He'll be here.
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C
I don't know. You said that I'm looking good.
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A
You said that last week, though.
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C
I know, I know. I talked to him. I don't know what happened.
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A
Saying he's going to come. Myron feels. But what happened last week?
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He got complications.
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C
They kept him. Sportscenter kept him.
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All right.
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I'm literally going to release him into the wild.
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I'm supposed to be here.
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I'm going to be like Pete Goldie and I'm going to come after the sports tamper. I'm going to tamper with their broadcast if they don't let him over here. Next here on Matt Myron on ESPN.
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B
Matt and Myron the podcast.
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A
It's Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio. What is this? What is this song? John Mellencamp, Rain on the Scarecrow. Oh, John Mellencamp. Got to be happy about the win by the Hoosiers this week. Indiana guy, Myron, right?
- [36:29]
B
John Melcap was there. He was like taking videos at the moment. Like sitting around. Yeah.
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A
Oh, good for him.
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B
They play one of his songs and he was singing to it.
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A
Oh, good. All right. So, Myron, I don't know you. I know you know this, but some listeners may not know this. I grew up in the hills of eastern Kentucky. Okay. So in the, you know the places that you see on TV where they call Appalachia with the hollers and the hoot nannies and all that. So I. It's a different place. Martin, you ever been in Appalachia?
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Yeah.
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A
Where?
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B
Appalachia. I've driven to those mountains.
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A
Have you? But have you been like in the. Because there's Appalachian. Then there's, like, eastern Kentucky and, like, West Virginia. You ever been in that part of Appalachia?
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B
I've been through there. I have.
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All right, so it's a different place, you would agree, different culture. We have our own way of doing things. And one of the things we really care about in eastern Kentucky, we like basketball and youth and middle school and high school. Basketball is big in eastern Kentucky, and it leads to a lot of scuffles. One time, one of the big good teams in eastern Kentucky is called Clay County. They made it to sweet 16. That's the big tournament in Kentucky. High school state tournament. And they got in a big fight. And I remember asking one of the mothers of one of the players. I was like, hey, does your son fight? And she looked at me with a scowl and said, honey, we're from eastern Kentucky. We're from Clay County. We all fight. All right, honey, we're from Clay County. We all fight. So I give you that backdrop to what happened in Nott county this weekend. Middle school game. It is Car Creek versus. What's the other name of the school that's on the screen there, James? What's the school Car Creek's playing in the video?
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Car Creek.
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Car Creek. Car Creek's hosting. And I'm going to give you a little backdrop to the sound you're about to hear. Two of the kids in middle school, seventh and eighth graders, get into a fight, mirroring about the game. Okay? And they're punching. Emmalina is the other school. The mother of one of the players that's in the fight runs out on the court and is about to get mad at the kid that's fighting her son. Okay. Someone touches the mother's shoulder to kind of stop her. And then the mother's husband runs on the court ready to fight that guy. That's the scenario. And the man who the. The person who runs on the court to fight the other guy, he ends up getting tased by someone and knocked to the ground. It's quite a sequence. I would like to for you listening to hear how this played out on the live broadcast of Car Creek versus Emelina. The announcers calling the action as a fight between kids turns into a massive fight between parents. Go ahead, James. James, this. Go get. Go get Justin. And here we go. Let's get out of here.
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B
Let's get the ball game. Look here. This ball game's got to get over.
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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Let's go.
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A
This game's over. How's it doing this? We don't get Somebody hurt by this guy. Game's over. Yeah.
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B
You can't get this. And they just taste dry. This ball game is over. Yeah, let's. We're going to end our live feed. This game has got to come to an end.
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A
And there it goes. Then the game just ends. All right. So many things I like about this. First of all, they tased a man, and there's never been anyone more calm calling a tasing than this guy. Play what he did. Again, they just tased, right? They just tased, right? They just tased it. It was spoken Myron. Like, Ryan gets tased and that's how many games end. Wasn't. Was.
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It was like, this is not the first time that they've seen Ryan get tased in this situation. Also, at the beginning of the clip, somebody says, go get Justin. And it feels like Justin is the guy that prevents all this.
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A
Like, yeah, James, play the beginning where he says, go get Justin real quick. James. James, this. Go get. Go get Justin. See, Justin could have prevented all this.
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But is Justin like the Batman of that community and, like, when stuff's about to go down, they called Justin. Yeah. What's he gonna do? Cause Justin not showing up is what happened. Right. At the end of the day, this all unfolded because Justin never showed up. And now you get this chaos. They just tell you dry. It's on Justin. I think that's the real conversation is Justin, I think, is responsible.
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I think there was a conversation before the game about Justin.
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A
They were like, look here. Look, Ryan's here.
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B
Okay?
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We know what happens when Ryan gets involved.
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B
They just tell you dry. They just. But you. Okay, so they're calm when they say they just taste Ryan. Hear the sense of urgency when they ask for Justin. Like, they know.
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A
Let's take the contrast. Here's when they're asking for Justin. James, James, this. Go get. Go get Justin. And then this is what happened when Ryan's get staged, they just taste, right?
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B
He is terrified when he asked for Justin.
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A
What if Justin had the taser? Well. Oh, you think Justin might have done the tasing.
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Oh, that's a great.
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Justin is the taser. Oh, there goes Ryan again.
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Nope, I don't think Justin. Because they didn't point out Justin again. They're saying Justin is the guy you call when anything goes down in that town.
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James, James, this. Go get. Go get Justin.
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And then he says, go get Justin. Like they. They shine a light into the sky when Justin shows up.
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A
He's Car Creek's Batman, isn't he? Car Creek's Batman. He is Justin.
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C
Justin showed up and he changed, right?
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B
Nope.
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Justin, here's the thing. I'm with you. I'm with Myron. I don't think Justin tased right. You didn't get there because here's the mat. Let me give you some mountain background. They is the you is the author is authority. Right. So we always say they to mean like police, mayor, whatever. They is everything else. My grandma, my mom was the prosecutor in the town where I grew up and Myron one time my grandmother remember my mom's job was prosecuting criminals. My grandmother once said to my mom well they ain't going to do nothing about that murderer, are they? And my grandmother goes or my mom goes who do you think they is? I am they. I am the prosecutor that's in the mountains. They just means authority. So I'm going to guess someone in authority tased right.
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They just taste right. Justin they know is the only one who can prevent what just happened.
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James, they know James this Go get. Go get. Jesse, do you like you want to.
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B
Avoid what's about to happen?
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A
Do you like the fact that the announcers seem to on their own in the game? The game is still going on.
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B
Well I mean there's no one to ask at that point. I think the other thing you don't see in the video ask.
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A
Justin's not even there. They ended it.
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Justin. It's like it's like one thing you don't see in the video is the tasing. The man who tases Ryan is basically the Clint Eastwood of tasing.
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A
They just tell you grind the taser.
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Is at his hip and you don't even see it.
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A
That's true.
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Like the taser is barely out of the holster when it just happens. So that dude to me is like I don't know. If there were a tase competition I think that guy would win by the way.
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A
I don't even know Ryan is okay. He gets up but he falls in like a cartoon way. He falls directly onto the ground. Tased immediately and there are three guys.
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Looking like it happened again. Like there's three dudes around him when he falls like this is what we.
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Were trying to this is what happens. So there you go. Great video from Car Creek Imolina. I'll just say I'll be at the rematch next year. I'll be there in not counting to see it. King of the security is next here on Matt Meyer. James. James. This Go get. Go get. Justin.
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They just stay dry. Matt and Myron the podcast.
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