Hour 2: He Was #1

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Matt & Myron – Hour 2: He Was #1

Date: August 6, 2026
Hosts: Matt Jones & Myron Medcalf
Platform: ESPN Radio

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Episode Overview

This episode blends sports debate, fan interaction, and playful banter as Matt Jones and Myron Medcalf tackle hot topics from professional quarterback rankings and college football's changing power dynamics to ranking the best barbecue spots in Kansas City (with a few tangents on sunglasses and infamous sports introductions). The show's tone is lighthearted, self-deprecating, and welcoming, marked by the duo’s chemistry and knack for bringing in listeners and fellow ESPN personalities for input.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Could You Do Anything at a Professional Level?

• [03:24] Callers share their belief in what pro sports roles they could realistically pull off.

  • Caller Los: "I'm very, very smart. And I'm pretty sure that if I put my mind to it, I could be a very, very good coach ... that would be football."

• Hosts Joke About Sunglasses:

  • [02:30] Matt: "I wear sunglasses year-round ... it's sunny somewhere. Even on the darker days when it's cloudy, it's just a good reminder."
  • [02:56] Myron: "We are on television. There's going to be no reason ... to wear sunglasses."

• [06:03] Caller Chris: At 54, believes he could handle being a bullpen catcher, citing good knees and experience.

Quote:

• [06:03] Chris: "54 years old, 6 foot 220, good knees, good ankles. ... I could pull off bullpen catcher in the MLB."

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2. Hardest Thing To Do in Pro Sports

• [07:00] Matt and Myron debate whether catching or hitting a Major League Baseball fastball is the hardest pro sports task.
  • [08:03] Myron: "Would you say hitting a baseball in the major leagues is the hardest sporting achievement to do?"
  • [08:17] Matt: "Off the street, that's gonna be the most difficult thing to do ... you can't do anything [with a 98-mph fastball]."

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3. The NFL Quarterback Tier Debate

• [08:25] Overview of Mike Sando's annual NFL QB tiers for The Athletic:
  • Tier 1 QBs: Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Matthew Stafford (tied with Allen), Joe Burrow.
  • Notably, Lamar Jackson comes just outside as Tier 2, No. 5.
• Matt's Controversial Stand:
  • [09:38] Matt: Questions Mahomes’ current status and argues Josh Allen deserves top billing, citing QBR and MVP rankings.
    • "If you're going to demote Lamar Jackson from that group, then why is Patrick Mahomes still there? ... I don't think Mahomes has been the number one quarterback in the NFL in three years."
    • "He hasn't been top five in QBR since 2022. He hasn't been top five in MVP voting since 2022."

Memorable Exchange

• [13:40] Myron: "I'm giving you a quarterback to start the championship game to get to the Super Bowl ... who are you taking?"

• [13:41] Matt: "Josh Allen."

• [16:20] Myron: "I just hate Patrick Mahomes. I think ... your quarterback opinions tend to be in the same realm, except for your sort of sad hatred of Patrick Mahomes and all things Kansas City."

  • [16:36] Matt: "I'm not against Patrick Mahomes. What I'm against is this idea that once you become number one, we just decide that that's where you have to stay in perpetuity."

• Hosts and producer debate the "winner effect" and inconsistency in how QBs like Sam Darnold, Jalen Hurts, and Jordan Love are ranked versus their recent winning or "prove-it" status.

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4. Kansas City BBQ, "Fanilos," and ESPN Family

• [19:44] Brief diversion rating Kansas City barbecue joints.
• [24:11] Lighthearted chat about what Barry Manilow fans are called ("Fanilos").
  • [24:38] Myron: "That's a good, very white person thing to do."
• [25:23] Longtime ESPN Radio anchor Christine Lecy joins to chat about baking treats for ESPN staff and defends Josh Allen.
  • [26:12] Christine: "If I can make people happy by bringing in cookies or brownies or cake, then ... I should do that."
  • [27:02] Christine: On Allen: "He is not the problem. ... Scoring points has not been the problem ... the defense has been the problem."
• High praise for Christine:
  • [26:26] Matt: "She's tier one in terms of the good people."

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5. College Football — Shifting Powers, NIL, and Polls

• [29:32] New pre-season Coaches Poll: Ohio State #1, Oregon #2, Georgia #3, Texas #4, Notre Dame #5, Indiana #6. Bama falls to #11 for first time in 16 years.
  • [30:23] Matt: Notes Alabama's recruiting struggles and the new NIL era: "The top 15 high school recruits in the state of Alabama are all committed to schools outside of Alabama."
  • [31:08] Myron: "Alabama, maybe more than any other program ... has had the transition to the NIL era be the most difficult ... they don't have the donor base that some of these other schools do."
  • [32:21] Matt: "[Indiana] had no business being in the final game of the year ... [but] the people who can write checks at Indiana can hang with anybody in America."

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6. Rivalry Roasts & Cringe Introductions

• [41:53] Tommy McClelland (new Purdue AD) at his opening press conference:
  • [42:16] "We are here to win championships. If you don't want to win championships, go to Indiana."
• [42:34] Myron: "... a lot of people may not keep up with the news, but Indiana did win a championship last year. What do you think of that intro?"
  • [43:14] Matt: "[He] wrote that down. ... This is why you need friends ... No one would have told him that was the way to start this press conference."
• Hosts compare awkward sports intros (Brian Kelly’s "family" at LSU, Liam Cohen’s "DUVAAALL" at Jacksonville) and urge newcomers to avoid trying too hard.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• [08:17] Matt: "If a ball is coming 98 miles an hour over the plate, you ... can't do anything."
• [13:06] Matt: "This is not Michael Jordan in the 90s ... He was not even top five in QBR over the last three years."
• [27:02] Christine Lecy: "He [Allen] is not the problem. The defense has been the problem."
• [32:21] Matt: "We’re learning a lot more about the haves and have nots in this new [NIL] climate."
• [42:16] Tommy McClelland: "We are here to win championships. If you don’t want to win championships, go to Indiana."
• [44:45] Myron: "Like when Brian Kelly tried to be someone from Louisiana ... just, just say hello."

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:40 – Magic Johnson story/impressions, show banter
• 03:24 – Listeners/hosts debate which pro roles they could handle
• 06:03 – Bullpen catcher caller; what’s hardest in pro sports
• 08:25 – Mike Sando's NFL QB tier debate
• 13:40 – "Pick a QB for your championship game" segment
• 19:44 – Kansas City BBQ & digressions
• 24:11 – Barry Manilow "Fanilos," personal anecdotes
• 25:23 – Christine Lecy joins (baking, Allen defense, Bills stadium)
• 29:32 – College football preseason poll/NIL impact
• 41:53 – Purdue AD’s shaky intro ("Go to Indiana" roast)
• 43:50 – Cringe sports intros (Cohen, Kelly); closing banter

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Overall Tone

Playful, inclusive, and occasionally irreverent. Matt and Myron mix genuine insight with self-mockery and welcome both lighthearted and critical listener interaction. They don’t shy away from taking strong positions (especially on quarterback debates) and keep the energy high with pop culture references, behind-the-scenes ESPN banter, and plenty of good-natured ribbing.

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For New Listeners

If you haven’t tuned in, this episode is a great mix of sports analysis and entertainment, with the hosts’ easy rapport making even deep-dive debates on quarterback metrics or NIL policy feel fun and accessible. If you like your sports talk with a side of barbecue rankings, audience calls, and the occasional baked-good discussion, this show is for you.

Transcript

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[Matt Jones]

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[Myron Metcalf]

From Kentucky, Matt Jones.

[Matt Jones]

What I remember is Alonzo Baldier and Fox Matchup. I tried to get Magic Johnson, who was with the Lakers at the time, to give me, like a scoop on who he thought was the better guard. He was like, hey, man, I can't talk to you. You know that? And he kind of like shooed me away.

[Myron Metcalf]

Is that your Magic Johnson impersonation?

[Caller Los]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

He said, hey, man, I can't talk to you. He was like, no, get away. Myron Metcalf, any time for me. Hey, man, you know I can't talk to you. Get away. That's what he. That's what he said. That's what he said. That's what he said.

[Myron Metcalf]

Have Magic Johnson send us the break right here. Go ahead.

[Matt Jones]

Hey, coming up, what's up? The most ridiculous demand you've ever made. That's next.

[Myron Metcalf]

Good Magic Johnson,

[Matt Jones]

Matt and Myron on ESPN radio and on the ESPN app.

[Myron Metcalf]

It is a good Magic Johnson, to be fair. I mean, I think you essentially are like Frank Caliendo of Magic Johnson, basically. I think he's in the room when you're talking.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, you know, it's pretty good. I think.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think Magic, if he heard it,

[Matt Jones]

he would be like, that's.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, maybe we'll get to ask him. I may. We'll get to ask him sometime. 772-774-5254 is the text machine. One person writes, I gotta ask Myron a question. I watched you all on ESPN plus every day. Thank you very much, by the way. Go to the ESPN app, Matt. Myron, if you. If you want to catch it later, you can see us every day. I got a new Ellie bobblehead doll. Right. Well, I don't know how to point. It's reverse. There it is right there.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

He says, ask Myron about his sunglasses. He wears them on his shirt. Are they on purpose to. Does he think it adds to the outfit? Why does he clip on his sunglasses to his shirt, as if he's in a country Club in 1986.

[Matt Jones]

Whoa. That. That felt personal a little bit. My theory on sunglasses look like that. I wear sunglasses year round, so I keep them on me year round. Even in the dead of winter here. Because my theory is it's sunny somewhere. So it's just a reminder for me that even on the darker days when it's cloudy, that it's sunny somewhere. And it's just a good.

[Myron Metcalf]

I understand that, but we are on television. There's going to be no reason in these two hours you're going to have to wear sunglasses. Why are you wearing them? Why do you have them?

[Matt Jones]

Listen, I'm doing first week stuff. I don't know.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm just.

[Matt Jones]

I'm just trying to be on air for the first week of the show. You know, there's a lot of stuff I may change in the weeks ahead, but for now.

[Myron Metcalf]

But you're doing first. This is first week stuff.

[Matt Jones]

This is first week. Maybe the glasses stay, maybe they don't. A week, two. We'll find out.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right, I like that. Okay, so we have had people. We were talking about whether or not you could do something at a professional level. We've got some folks on the phone. Los is in Virginia. Los, I feel like you would call the Sunday show. How are you?

[Caller Los]

Yeah, yeah, man, I actually would. Thought I always listened to that show. I was the one guy was like, yo, these guys need a Daily Show. I want this every, every day. And I got it.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, you weren't that. Thank you for that. You weren't the one guy. Hopefully there was more than one guy. One. One of the guys. Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Last of this one guy.

[Caller Los]

You right about that. You right about that, man. Hey, guys, say welcome to the. To the Daily show, man. Welcome to three o'. Clock. I love you guys, man. Y' all one of my favorite shows. I'm just so glad that we got y' all weekly. Daily. Look, man, I don't think I could do much of anything in professional sports, but I'm very, very smart. And I'm pretty sure that if I put my mind to it, I could be a very, very good coach. I just. I don't really like that.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Myron Metcalf]

I like that. Los. What sport, if you put your mind to, do you think you could be a coach?

[Caller Los]

Well, I would. I would say any sport, but I would go with the sport that I know the most, and that would be football. Can I say something real quick?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, sure.

[Matt Jones]

Say it a lot now. Yeah.

[Caller Los]

Matt, man, you always Giving Myron a hard time, man. I got a cousin.

[Matt Jones]

Thank you.

[Caller Los]

And I trust. I trust black guys named Myron. And thank you. I just want y' all to know the new. The new listeners around here, man. Myron knows Beyonce, so he ain't as unfool as Matt. Try to make him out the team.

[Matt Jones]

Thank you very fool.

[Caller Los]

You know what I'm saying?

[Myron Metcalf]

Listen.

[Christine Lecy]

Contact.

[Caller Los]

Listen.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, like you, I love black guys named Myron, too. So we are good.

[Matt Jones]

It's just me.

[Myron Metcalf]

You're the only one I know.

[Matt Jones]

But Myron rolled. There's a Myron role that he played football.

[Myron Metcalf]

But, I mean, wasn't he a Rhodes scholar candidate at Florida State?

[Matt Jones]

Did this and that, but I think I'm still number one over. Over him. Oh, so he has some medals.

[Myron Metcalf]

The Florida State defensive back who was a Rhodes scholar candidate, you're on his level.

[Matt Jones]

Well, he's a surgeon now, but, you know, I don't think he. I don't think he did it like me. So I think I get a little bit more effort, credit for the grind.

[Myron Metcalf]

I didn't know exactly how you did it, but that's okay. Kyle is in Connecticut. Go ahead, Kyle. All right. No Kyle.

[Matt Jones]

Let's go to Chris on a BlackBerry.

[Myron Metcalf]

Let's go to Chris in Erie, Pennsylvania.

[Caller Los]

Hey, guys. 54 years old, 6 foot 220, good knees, good ankles. I'm like 92.

[Caller Chris]

Sure.

[Caller Los]

I could pull off bullpen catcher in the MLB.

[Producer James]

Wow.

[Myron Metcalf]

Oh, that's interesting. Bullpen catch. You gotta have good, like, what? Thighs? Quads. To get down there and be able

[Matt Jones]

to bullpen catch and knees. I mean, man, if he. If he's in the kind of shape of this 50s where he could do that, that's pretty remarkable.

[Myron Metcalf]

Do you think you could catch a fastball of like the Miz J. If I just put you out there and got you in the stance, gave you the mask, do you think if he threw 105, you could catch it?

[Matt Jones]

How many chances do I get?

[Myron Metcalf]

Three chances, but you have to catch it. You have three chances, but you have to catch one.

[Matt Jones]

And it's going to hit the. It's going to hit the mitt.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, no, it's up to you whether it hits the mitt. You're going to have to catch it.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I. I get a glove on it. I mean, catching it would be harder, you know, but I think I'd have a chance at it.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay, maybe we could make that happen sometime. I would love to. I would love to see if you could catch because my, My Guess is, I'll tell you something we did on. On my show. I thought that I could make a penalty kick. Okay. I remember that because to me, it looks easy. So we got the University of Kentucky goalie, who is. Was the one. The award for best goalie in NCAA men's soccer. And he came out and I did 10 penalty kicks and made zero of them.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Because I didn't.

[Myron Metcalf]

I didn't kick it fast enough. He could wait and see what I did, and then he would get it.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Penalty. I think that's harder than maybe people think because we watch in the World cup and we assume I could. I could do that. If you're talking about catching a ball, that's a lot different in terms of hitting. I don't think I could hit. I don't think I could come close to hitting a baseball against a major league baseball pitch.

[Myron Metcalf]

No chance. Would you say hitting a baseball in the major leagues is the hardest sporting achievement to do? Like, if you were to say, of all the professional sports things, what would be the hardest? Do you think hitting a baseball in the major leagues would be number one?

[Christine Lecy]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Like off the street, that's gonna be the most difficult thing to do. I mean, if a ball is coming 98 miles an hour over the plate, you can. You can't do anything.

[Myron Metcalf]

Nobody's gonna. Unless. Unless you played, you're not gonna be able to do that. 888, say SPN. Let us know what you think. The Athletics Mike Sando, he does every year for. For the Athletic. He interviews NFL executives to try to decide the quarterback tier list. Essentially, he wants to rank the quarterbacks one through 32 this year. He did 35 because there are 35 players in contention to start in week one. And the question was, are you tier one, tier two, tier three, or tier four? Four quarterbacks came in as tier one quarterbacks. Quarterbacks on a level ahead of anyone else in the NFL. They were. Patrick Mahomes was number one, Josh Allen and Matthew Stafford were tied for number two, and Joe Burrow was number four. They were the only four quarterbacks considered tier one by NFL executives. Do you agree with those four being the only tier one quarterbacks?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I'm fine if you're telling me Lamar Jackson isn't in that group after

[Myron Metcalf]

Lamar Jackson's number five, but he's the top in tier two.

[Matt Jones]

My problem is, if you're going to demote Lamar Jackson from that group, then why is Patrick Mahomes still there? Like, at the end of the day, if we're talking about what players haven't done, then I think Mahomes has to be regarded as a guy who needs to take a few steps down. I mean he hasn't been take Mahomes

[Myron Metcalf]

out of the top tier. You wouldn't even have him as one of the. You, you wouldn't have him as one of the four best quarterbacks.

[Matt Jones]

He, he could be one of the four best. He's not number one. He's not at the top of the list right now.

[Myron Metcalf]

Who's.

[Matt Jones]

I think Mahomes has been.

[Myron Metcalf]

Who's at the top?

[Matt Jones]

I'll put Josh Allen right now. I don't think Mahomes has been the number one quarterback in the NFL in three years. We keep telling this story that is three years old in 2022 when he was on top of the NFL. He hasn't been top five in QBR since 2022. He hasn't been top five In MVP voting since 2022.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's okay. He has made two Super Bowls since 2022.

[Matt Jones]

But, but again it's okay to say this is a guy who, yes, of course is elite. This isn't 90s Jordan where Karl Malone's winning MVP and it should have been Patrick Mahomes. This is a guy who has been good. He has not been the best quarterback in this league over the last three years.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay, I can give you last year.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Myron Metcalf]

But I don't know how you can go back to 2022. Let's just look at what he did in 23 and 24. Made the super bowl both times. Won it one time. And, and objectively both of the years he made it, the offensive weapons were not nearly what they had been at other points in his career and yet he still took that team there. I, to me he is definitively the number one quarterback up until last year. And I think if you wanted to make a case that Josh Allen was ahead and I would even listen to a case for Matthew Stafford, although I probably wouldn't put him. I understand the case, but the idea that he. There's. First of all, I'd still put him ahead of Joe Burrow and the idea that there's a gap between those guys and him to me seems ridiculous.

[Matt Jones]

Listen, last time you saw My homes in a Super bowl he got punched in the mouth by the Eagles. Right?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, when was the last time you saw Josh Allen Super Bowl?

[Matt Jones]

It wasn't, it wasn't competitive. But if you're going to use that, let's talk about the performance where we saw Him. It's okay to say, but Josh Allen's

[Myron Metcalf]

never made a Super Bowl. Fine.

[Matt Jones]

I'm saying if you want to talk about Holmes Mahomes as an elite quarterback in this league, of course that's what he is. I don't think right now you can say he's the best. And I don't think he's been able to make that claim.

[Myron Metcalf]

But what is Josh Allen to be number one? What has Josh Allen done?

[Matt Jones]

He's one mvp. He's carrying it.

[Myron Metcalf]

MVP is just a. It's a regular season award. What has Josh Allen done to say that he's the best quarterback? I think there's a better case for Matthew Stafford than there is Josh Allen. He's.

[Matt Jones]

He's one mvp.

[Christine Lecy]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

I think that's a big part of it. I think Stafford.

[Myron Metcalf]

So is Patrick Mahomes.

[Matt Jones]

Matthew Stafford hasn't carried the same burden as Josh Allen. Like Josh Allen has carried a heavy burden. I think than any of the elite quarterbacks on that list, which is why he was rewarded with MVP in 2024. Lamar Jackson obviously has taken a step back, was certainly in that class. If we're talking the last three years. Matthew Stafford deserve mvp. He was incredible. We can have that conversation.

[Myron Metcalf]

If you were making this list, where would Mahomes be

[Matt Jones]

right now?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes. Where are you putting it?

[Matt Jones]

He's putting four. Four right now. I'm putting him four. Right. You're putting Joe Burrow ahead of him right now. It's four for me.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's ridiculous.

[Matt Jones]

It's not ridiculous because this is not. This is not Michael Jordan in the 90s. There's a. It's not ridiculous Based on every number I just laid out. He was not even top five in QBR over the last three years. He. He wasn't top five at MVP vote. That doesn't mean he's not great.

[Myron Metcalf]

Let me ask you a question. Let me. Well, let me ask you a question. You've got a team. Let's just say that same offense is out there. And I'm giving you a quarterback to start the championship game to get to the Super Bowl. I'm giving you whoever you want to take the team. Who you take it.

[Matt Jones]

Josh Allen.

[Myron Metcalf]

You take a Josh Allen over Patrick Mahomes right now.

[Matt Jones]

Are we talking today? Today, right now, Josh Allen.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I'm taking Josh Mahomes. All right, so Matthew Stafford, then Joe Burrow, Tier 2. Lamar Jackson, 5th. Justin Herbert, 6. Dak, Drake, May and Jared Golf. Golf tied for seventh. Jordan Love, 10th. With that list in the top 10, that means Brock Purdy, Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Sam Darnold not in the top 10. Is there anything you disagree with substantially in that ranking?

[Matt Jones]

I think Sam Donald has to be top 10 after what we saw him do last year. I also think.

[Myron Metcalf]

Do you put Sam Darnold ahead of Jordan Love, Jared Goff, Drake May, Dak Prescott, any of those guys?

[Matt Jones]

I take Jared Golf out. I put Sam Darnold there. I mean, you could put Jared Golf in front of Jordan Love. I think just the inconsistency, but it also feels like 7 through 12 is maybe a bit interchangeable. Like, I think that's sort of its own tier, but I think a lot of those dudes are prove it guys coming into this season. And Brock Purdy, obviously every year is a prove it season for him. Sam Donald won a Super bowl. Doesn't have anything to prove. I think Jordan Love has a lot to prove with the Green Bay packers and whether or not he's finally going to be the guy to take them on a run.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm a little surprised by Jordan Love. I would sort of agree with you. I would say that Sam Darnold being tied for 14th, I don't know how much more this guy's got to do. He's had two straight good years with two straight different teams. And the moment he left Minnesota, Minnesota fell off the map. The moment he got to Seattle, they go win a Super Bowl. So I mean, I just look at the people ahead of Sam Darnold. I'm definitely putting him ahead of Baker Mayfield. I mean, how could you put him, Jaden Daniels ahead of him after what Sam Darn. I mean, Jaden Daniels maybe had the same year as Sam Darnold 2 years ago and was much worse last year. Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams potential is higher than Sam Darnold, but I'm not putting ahead of him yet. Brock Purdy. I'd rather have Sam Darnold. I think I'd rather have Sam Darnold than Jordan Love and Jared Goff. I might stop there and put him like 9th, but I think 15th is just way too low.

[Matt Jones]

15 seems ridiculous. I think you made the best point. The Vikings and what happened to them last year. That's why Sam Darnold should have been in the top 10. I also think the two guys who are not top five right now or top six, Caleb Williams and Drake, may they have the chance by the end of the season to. To earn a spot. I think in that group if they continue to play well.

[Myron Metcalf]

I just hate Patrick Mahomes. I think. I think mine. Your quarterback opinions tend to be in the same realm, except for your sort of sad hatred of Patrick Mahomes and all things Kansas City.

[Matt Jones]

First off, I love Kansas City. Been there many, many times. Gates, barbecue, the jazz museum, the baseball. There's so many things I love about Kansas City. So it's not that at all. And I'm not against Patrick Mahomes. What I'm against is this idea that once you become number one, we just decide that that's where you have to stay in perpetuity. And I don't think that's the accurate way to portray this role. At the end of the day, he hasn't been the best quarterback in the last three years. Like, I don't think there's an argument against that. To say he had definitively, definitively has been the best quarterback in the NFL. Why is that wrong?

[Myron Metcalf]

What's interesting to me about when these executives rank quarterbacks is how little emphasis sometimes I think they put on winning. So, for instance, Joe Burrow. It's been three years since he won. Now, some of that's not his fault. He's obviously had injuries, but, you know, it feels like winning games should matter.

[Producer James]

You.

[Myron Metcalf]

You put Sam Darnold 15th. He wins. Bo Nix got to the AFC championship. He's 18th. CJ Stroud wins his division every single year, and he's 20th. I see Trevor Lawrence 16th. Okay, Trevor Lawrence had a decent year last year. Bad playoff game, and somehow he's ahead of Jalen Hurts, who wins a Super Bowl. I just think sometimes this abstract idea of talent. There is not going to be a player in football that if I have one drive, that I have to have to go win a game. I don't know how you could ever want anyone more than Patrick Mahomes, but. And to be fair, he's ranked number one on this list. But I don't understand how that's not a unanimous selection. He's done it time and time and time again.

[Matt Jones]

That's fair. Based on his history. I'm just talking about the present version. Obviously, he's coming off an injury, but I do think there were guys who just played better than he did. But to your point about winning and that not being something that is valued, how come Jalen Hurts isn't right there in that conversation? If it's about, we're going to give the ball to someone and it's time to win a game in the postseason, how come he never comes up?

[Myron Metcalf]

I agree.

[Matt Jones]

In these conversations, he dropped from what

[Myron Metcalf]

was he last year seventh or eighth. He dropped to 17th. That seemed like high. Can I want to quickly go to the bottom of the list? Yeah. 35 guys should door Sanders is 35th. Fair. Unfair.

[Matt Jones]

I think it's fair for a young quarterback to be in that spot. That makes sense to me.

[Myron Metcalf]

Even has JJ McCarthy, your favorite guy ahead of him.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I don't know if J.J. mcCarthy ahead of anybody, but they're both probably in that same. Same tier, I would think.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay, well, 888 say SPN. If you agree with Myron that Patrick Mahomes is the worst quarterback in the NFL, don't do that because someone's gonna tune in.

[Matt Jones]

No, someone's gonna tune in. I think I said that. I didn't say James. I feel like you did. You're a Kansas City fan. Stop it. I didn't say that.

[Producer James]

Thank you for standing up for my quarterback, Matt. I mean this, this.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, woe is James and the Kansas City fans. Oh, it's so hard being a Kansas City.

[Myron Metcalf]

What did you say was the best barbecue place in Kansas City? It was Gates, Gates.

[Matt Jones]

Gates Barbecue.

[Myron Metcalf]

I thought it was. I thought it was like number 42 or 40 was in there. One. That's a number like 17.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's that. It's like an old converted gas station.

[Myron Metcalf]

That one's really good.

[Matt Jones]

Although Mike, that one's good.

[Myron Metcalf]

My ex girlfriend threw up in the bathroom there, so I don't know if that's good or bad.

[Matt Jones]

Is every city for you like something that happened around dating?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, every city has a bad relationship memory.

[Matt Jones]

We'll talk like old country singer.

[Myron Metcalf]

We'll do a little college football and talk about more restaurants our girlfriends have hurled in. That's next year on Matt Myron, Matt

[Matt Jones]

and Myron the podcast.

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[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah,

[Matt Jones]

I saw him.

[Myron Metcalf]

Is this Lionel Richie? Is that right?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I just went to his show about a month ago.

[Myron Metcalf]

Still performs well.

[Matt Jones]

He didn't get through the show. He. He almost fainted so he canceled the show like mid show.

[Myron Metcalf]

So is he okay? I don't want to say anything if he's not.

[Matt Jones]

He's okay. He, he's okay. He was just like, I feel a little dizzy. I'm taking a break. And he just never came back. And then he was your money back when it happens, you know, I, I don't know. Like he said the email was like he would work something out and they haven't worked anything out something out. So I don't know.

[Caller Los]

We'll work.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know.

[Myron Metcalf]

You know what, we'll work something out and we'll see what we can do. Well, well, you know, Barry Manilow was in Lexington two nights ago and his concert got killed. Cabana one hour before. And apparently everyone that was at the arena was sad. Did you. I learned something though. Hopefully he's okay. Barry Manilow fans are called fanilos. Did you know that?

[Matt Jones]

That's a good name though.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's a good, very white person thing to do.

[Matt Jones]

That's the widest thing you said. Yeah, yeah. I'm a fan of low. That's like, there's no brothers on that list.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't think tonight we're going to open up dinner with a cantaloupe of soup like this.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, like you could just see that picture without even asking questions.

[Myron Metcalf]

Very excited. There are people who are very angry about Myron's comment 888 say ESPN. I go to it, but someone is angry at me and it's someone that we rarely get to hear give their opinion. Christine Lecy, you have heard her voice doing SportsCenter on ESPN Radio. Christine, how long have you been doing SportsCenter on ESPN Radio?

[Christine Lecy]

Since September of 2000.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's amazing. September. The legend had a good run.

[Matt Jones]

What?

[Myron Metcalf]

That is a legend. I got to experience this a few weeks ago, but I had heard about it before. You are like an amazing baker, I am told. Correct?

[Christine Lecy]

I try. Yes.

[Myron Metcalf]

So give people an example out there in radio world what you bake.

[Christine Lecy]

Usually I put candy and cookies or I will make like three layer things like, you know, a brownie cheesecake, like a cookie frosting. It depends on how much time I have. And like the, you know, like I do funny things like, you know, Bill's victory Monday treats and things like that.

[Myron Metcalf]

So you're like, you're like a dream co worker.

[Matt Jones]

She's incredible.

[Myron Metcalf]

Food into the building for all these disgusting men in ESPN Radio. That's so good of you.

[Christine Lecy]

Well, I tried like so good. Like you know, we all work nights and weekends and holidays and I'm not complaining about anything but you know, that can be tough. And I was like, if I can make people happy by bringing in cookies or brownies or cake, then I. That I should do that.

[Matt Jones]

Christina's on the very high on the list of just the greatest people at espn. You know, beyond the bacon. That's just. That's where she's ranked. She's tier one in terms of the good people.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes. Well, we were talking about tears. When you're talking nice people. She is tier one up there with like. Who else is tier one? Ryan McGee is a tier one. Or to me.

[Matt Jones]

Right. Freddie Coleman.

[Myron Metcalf]

Freddie Coleman. Tom Crane is a tier one. All right, Christine.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

With that said, now that I'm giving you all these compliments, I hear you're going to crush me over my Josh Allen comments because you're a Bills fan, am I right?

[Christine Lecy]

I am. I need you to repeat what you said.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, what I said was that, you know, Mahomes is ahead of Josh Allen and I might put Matthew Stafford because he's not one and winning.

[Matt Jones]

That's not what he said, Christine. He said. He said Josh Allen isn't worthy of tying Patrick Mahomes shoes. That's what he said. So he said he shouldn't even be on the same field as him.

[Myron Metcalf]

So make the case for Josh Allen.

[Christine Lecy]

The. The thing with Josh, the reason that we. And I do say we have not gotten to a Super bowl, he's not been the problem. Scoring points has not been the problem. Outside of the wild card game in Houston in 2020 when the offense had to settle for field goals instead of touchdowns in the red zone. My. He is not the problem. The defense has been the problem. The. The lack of being able to stop the other team, you know, on third down and against the run, that has been a big problem. Like even in Denver last year when Josh was awful playing on a broken foot, we still could have won that game if the defense.

[Myron Metcalf]

You're exactly right. So that's.

[Christine Lecy]

That's my thing about Josh. When people pile on Josh for whatever reason, that is why I feel. Not that he needs me or anybody to defend him, but that's my. That's my take on him.

[Myron Metcalf]

Are you excited about the new stadium? That's what I want to know. It opens, I believe, week one. Week two of this year.

[Christine Lecy]

Yeah, Week two, we host Detroit, which is a game on prime, which I think those games need to be on TV for everyone, but.

[Myron Metcalf]

Oh, I like the hot. Take Christine, as someone who pays a

[Christine Lecy]

boatload for DirecTV every month.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Yes.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I understand. Well, Christine, it's great to have you on and I look Forward to getting to eat something else of yours in the future.

[Christine Lecy]

You let me know when you're in and I take requests.

[Myron Metcalf]

I love it. All right.

[Matt Jones]

All right.

[Myron Metcalf]

How great. First of all,

[Matt Jones]

one person tier. One person. Did they put a dome on that Bill Stadium, by the way?

[Myron Metcalf]

I, I don't know.

[Matt Jones]

Is it open? I think it's because, you know, you should put a dome.

[Myron Metcalf]

I went last year to the old stadium and it was, it was a great experience. Bill's fans, I mean their quarterback is not the best quarterback, but the fans are the best fans. Do we have someone who wants to yell at Myron, just to make it even real quick is James.

[Matt Jones]

That's probably what it is.

[Producer James]

I, I do not have anyone who wants to yell at Myron.

[Matt Jones]

Oh see, because the people agree with me.

[Producer James]

I can.

[Matt Jones]

I was like, I was told the

[Myron Metcalf]

phones were lighting up with people to yell at Myron and unfortunately that's not the case. But that's fine. He can get by on this.

[Matt Jones]

Wanna yell at me?

[Myron Metcalf]

The college football is this, was this the AP or the coaches poll that, that came out yesterday? The coaches poll, the coach's poll came out for college football. No surprise. Ohio State is number one going in the season. But little bit of surprise. You had Oregon number two, Georgia, three Texas four Notre Dame five Indiana number six. Even though they had the second most first place votes, Miami, Texas A and M, Oklahoma. And then at number 10 is Ole Miss. Alabama comes in at number 11. Myron's the first time in 16 years that Alabama has not been ranked in the top 10 in the preseason. Are you surprised and do you think there's a chance for maybe the first time in history Alabama could sneak up on teams?

[Matt Jones]

I'm not surprised considering the climate, considering the fact that they just don't have the same stronghold over talent that they once did. I think we talked about this on Sundays. I read that the top 15 high school recruits in the state of Alabama are all committed to schools outside of Alabama. Can you imagine someone telling you that, Matt, under Nick Saban that the best high school guys and none of them are going to Alabama? I just think it's so competitive now. You don't get all the five star recruits. And Alabama strength was they could stack the five star guys. You could convince a guy coming in to sit for two years, Matt, those days are over. That young quarterback who's a five star is not going to go to your team to sit for three years. They're going to go get money and play somewhere else.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I mean Alabama. Alabama, maybe more than any other program that was a power program, has had the transition to the NIL era be the most difficult part of that is they lost their coach. Right. So that they had to transition to the NIL era at the same time that they were having to transition past the most legendary coach of all time. But I will say if you look at the other schools that have been the powers over the last decade are Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia are probably the three others besides Alabama and they're preseason 1, 2 and 3. So Alabama has. While I agree with you that the change in the rules has had an effect, it's uniquely affected Alabama. And I think part of it is, and this may surprise people, they don't have the donor base that some of these other schools. Do you think of Alabama as well? Look, they give hundred dollar bills out to everybody on the side of the road. They don't have Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, Georgia. They actually don't have that fan base sort of donor base. And I think it has shown itself in the last few years.

[Caller Los]

No. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

We're learning a lot more about the haves and have nots in this new climate. I mean Indiana, who thought that Indiana had the money to put the team together that they did. But all of a sudden Mark Cuban and other guys like him get involved and you find out there's some money people behind the scenes who are now getting involved. I also think it's harder for teams in that SEC footprint because everybody's trying to get all of those talented players. And there was a time not that long ago, Matt, where you could convince the top three young receivers in Georgia or Alabama to come to one of those schools now if that kid gets an offer from Texas or USC or Notre Dame and there's a bunch of money on the table, they don't care about playing that close to home. You could put mom and dad on the plane to come see all your games. You get an apartment for them.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, the schools can pay for them to come now, which was something they didn't used to, at least in theory be able to do. Indiana sits there at number six. One of the common conversations in college football world this year has been who's the next Indiana? Do you beyond asking who it is because there are people who believe it could be South Carolina this year if you want to go for a big long shot. There's people that say Kentucky could be a team that takes a big jump. Do you think they'll be another Indiana or are we going to look back and Say, like George Mason's Final Four run or Loyola's font. Like, that was just a really absurd thing. That won't happen again.

[Matt Jones]

I don't think it'll happen that way. First, I don't think there's a Kurt Signetti blueprint. Even though kudos to everybody who got paid because of Kurt Sigdaddy. Because every school was trying to.

[Myron Metcalf]

A lot of schools did.

[Caller Los]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Someone like him, like, kind of like what happened with Sean McVeigh when all these NFL teams went out and got the next top young offensive coordinator. The problem with Indiana is what you just described, Matt. Yes. From a football pedigree, football legacy standpoint, Indiana had no business being in the final game of the year and then winning it. But behind the scenes, the people who can write checks at Indiana can hang with anybody in America. So as much as they're an underdog story on the field, in the nil space, I think they're at the top of the list with those teams that you mentioned. So it would have to be a team like that, not a rich football history. But suddenly there's a bunch of very, very wealthy boosters who want to get in on the action.

[Myron Metcalf]

How much, how much anger do you think it makes Lane Kiffin that Ole Miss is ranked in the preseason ahead of lsu? Like, that's gotta. And that's gotta be coaches just. That's gotta be coaches just wanting to punish Lane Kiffin. Because I think objectively that's an odd opinion to have and, you know, it's gotta bother Mr. Social Media himself. Lane Kiffin.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. And I'm all for the pettiness against Lane.

[Narrator/Announcer]

He.

[Matt Jones]

He has brought it on to himself, you know, like, I don't think anyone can have any sympathy for Lane Kiffin. So if his colleagues voted against him in this, I'm fine with that. I just love the fact that every time LSU plays, it's going to be the most electric game of the week because of who Lane Kiffin is and because of his exit. And I saw him at SEC media days saying, oh, maybe I shouldn't said that. What I don't like about guys like that. He did mean to say that. He meant he doesn't have any regrets. Don't act like you don't miss it.

[Myron Metcalf]

You said it with your chest. Come on, man, you meant it, Lane. And just because you decided to take a 20, you know, a month Twitter break does not mean. How many times have we heard Lane say he's a changed person?

[Matt Jones]

Like, come on, like, he could write a book about it. You are who you are.

[Myron Metcalf]

I will say this if you were to say to me, Matt Jones, between now and the 2027 Super bowl, which by the way is here on ESPN, you could go to one sporting event, LSU at Ole Miss in week four or five. Whatever it is, I believe, Myron, that would be the sporting event I would treat. Shohei Ohtani's interpreter was fired today.

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[Matt Jones]

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[Matt Jones]

I'm trying to figure out the security situation for that event because, I mean, that whole week is going to be chaotic. And I tell you what, when Lane steps on to the field, yes, I think that's going to be one of those moments that we talk about for the rest of the year.

[Myron Metcalf]

Remember when he went back to Tennessee, which was a there were many years gap and the partying was not as bad. They threw mustard bottles at him and like it was a disaster. I can't even imagine.

[Matt Jones]

And for people who've never been to

[Myron Metcalf]

Oxford, Mississippi, first of all, it's a beautiful place, but secondly, that's a small town. Like they're not really ready for what is coming. And I personally would like to be there. Now, we've seen a lot of terrible intros to, you know, to various tenures in sports. Think about Brian Kelly saying that his family was going to go to lsu. We have one today that's right up there with it. We'll do it next here on Matt Myers.

[Matt Jones]

Matt Myron the podcast.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio, presented by Progressive Insurance. You can get the Matt Myron podcast. Matter of fact, I would like you to do it. Go to your podcast feed. Maybe it's. Maybe it's Spotify, maybe it's Apple, maybe it's whatever. And download, subscribe and you will get the Matt Myron podcast. There's a new logo on there. I'm looking to have some executive changes on the logo, but for now, it's a, it's a, it's a good logo. They make me a basketball. They make Myron a football. And you can download and subscribe today.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, man. Come, come to the podcast and keep supporting as I've been amazed by the support in week one that we've received from people.

[Myron Metcalf]

You're getting a lot of women from Kentucky following you on Instagram. Said it. Did I hear that?

[Matt Jones]

Okay. Some stuff I say off air. Don't you ever bring it up. I don't need any problems when I get off air. Okay. Like, I don't need any situations. What I would say yes to follow

[Myron Metcalf]

you just, I mean, they come. You know, a man is charming. He's charming, right?

[Matt Jones]

I tend to have that effect, but I didn't say it to. Was it bragging? I just noticed there are a bunch of Kentucky people who certainly have followed me in recent days.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, all women can follow Myron Metcalf.

[Matt Jones]

Don't do, don't do that. Don't put me in that situation, man. I don't, don't put. Get me in trouble.

[Myron Metcalf]

Now. James, our producer says he has something for us here at the end of show four.

[Producer James]

Yeah, Lewis, call for the guy who is the Philly fan, got to call the third inning in the Phillies game yesterday. I believe he is locked in for 445 tomorrow.

[Myron Metcalf]

Nice.

[Matt Jones]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well done.

[Matt Jones]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Myron Metcalf]

He will be our celebrity guest picker tomorrow.

[Producer James]

He is. He is excited to do it. He's in. Yeah, I messaged him on Facebook. Lots of people messaging on Facebook. Found someone on Twitter who tweeted about him, said he was her mentor. So I followed her. She followed me back, messaged her. She was very nice in reaching out to him and finding out if I can get a number. She sent it along.

[Matt Jones]

Well, great job.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm excited to have the guy.

[Matt Jones]

Now that's some good producer work right there.

[Myron Metcalf]

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[Matt Jones]

You understand money.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. To understand money. And I wish the folks at Progressive a lot. Tommy McClelland. Do you know who Tommy McClelland is? Myron?

[Matt Jones]

I know after today who is.

[Myron Metcalf]

He was hired today as the new athletic director at Purdue. And if you are not a Midwesterner, you may not know that Purdue and Indiana are rivals. So he's trying to make a splash at Purdue. That's what you got to do at Purdue, one of the more boring campuses in the United States of America. So at the press conference, he said this.

[Matt Jones]

Every recruit, every current student athlete will hear this message repeatedly. We are here to win championships. If you don't want to win championships, go to Indiana.

[Myron Metcalf]

If you don't want to win championships, go to Indiana.

[Producer James]

Now, I.

[Myron Metcalf]

A lot of people may not keep up with the news, but Indiana did win a championship last year. What do you think of that intro by Mr. Perdued?

[Matt Jones]

Well, they got a. They had a couple in basketball, if I'm not mistaken, as well. It's been a while, but. But the challenge is, he wrote that down. And this is why you need friends. You need people in your life to deliver lines like that outside of a crowd. And you gotta ask a trusted friend, should I say this? He wrote this down. And he didn't take it to those people, Matt, because no one would have told him that that was the way to start this press conference.

[Myron Metcalf]

So I like the idea of starting as an athletic director, taking a little shot at your rival. But you have to have the awareness that your rival just pulled off one of the most unexpected runs in the history of college athletics. And you can't do that. Like, I have a little more sympathy for Liam Cohen at Jacksonville because I'm not sure if he planned to do this. Duvall. See, I think that he. I think that just came to his head or else he wouldn't have done this. Duvall,

[Matt Jones]

what kind of got a scary monster character? Was he trying to play like it? That's the. That was so weird. Yeah, it was so weird, but that wasn't planned.

[Myron Metcalf]

Sometimes I'm like, lying in bed and it will haunt me. Liam Cohen saying Duvall,

[Matt Jones]

the best is when you look at everybody in the room who is from there and they're like, no one has ever said this the way you say it.

[Myron Metcalf]

And there was one guy in the back going, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't. Because you and I, we've been to Jacksonville.

[Caller Chris]

Yes.

[Myron Metcalf]

The kind of person that says this, Duvall, that's not how they say it in Jacksonville.

[Matt Jones]

Exactly. No. You don't have to try to be one of the locals right away. Like, you could, you could take a little time to get acclimated, but the Duval thing was, was really bad.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think that's a good point. Like, don't. Like when Brian Kelly tried to be someone from Louisiana. Like, we understand you're from out of town. If you come to Kentucky, don't be like, howdy, everybody. Here we go. Like, just, just, just, just say hello. Yeah, you can, you can do your thing. Myron, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Tomorrow we will have on with us the man who got to win a contest and call inning of play by play for the Phillies. He will be our celebrity guest picker. Plus, we will review whatever happened at the NFL hall of Fame game tonight. Football is back. Thank you guys for listening. Freddie and Harry is next. This has been Matt and Myron.

[Matt Jones]

Thanks for listening to Matt and Myron, the podcast. You can listen to Matt and Myron live weekdays from 3 to 5pm Eastern on ESPN radio.

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