Hour 2: Herm Edwards, ESPN NFL Analyst

Summary

Podcast Summary: Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron – Hour 2: Herm Edwards, ESPN NFL Analyst

Podcast Information:

• Title: Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron
• Hosts: Matt Jones and Myron Metcalf
• Guest: Herm Edwards, ESPN NFL Analyst
• Episode: Hour 2: Herm Edwards, ESPN NFL Analyst
• Release Date: February 9, 2025
• Description: Matt Jones and Myron Metcalf break down everything in and around the sports world every Sunday morning.

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1. Super Bowl LVIII Preview: Chiefs vs. Eagles

a. Key Matchups and Strategies

The episode kicks off with an in-depth analysis of the upcoming Super Bowl matchup between the Kansas City Chiefs and the Philadelphia Eagles. The hosts and Herm Edwards delve into the critical components that could decide the game's outcome.

• Defensive Pressure on Patrick Mahomes:
  • Myron Metcalf emphasizes the Eagles' defensive strategy: “If they can get to Mahomes with four rushers, it disrupts Kansas City's timing and pace” (02:10).
  • Herm Edwards shares a pivotal statistic: “In Super Bowl history, only 10 running backs have hit the 124-yard mark in rushing yards. Nine of those were by Saquon Barkley” (04:55).

b. Saquon Barkley’s Impact

A significant portion of the discussion centers around Saquon Barkley's exceptional performance and his comparison to legendary running backs.

• Comparison to Legends:
  • Nick draws parallels between Barkley and NFL greats: “He reminds me of Barry Sanders with his explosiveness and Eric Dickerson’s long speed” (06:08).
  • Herm Edwards expresses admiration but maintains a cautious stance: “He’s a great player, but I don’t believe he’s on the same level as Barry Sanders” (07:42).

c. Patrick Mahomes’ Legacy

The conversation shifts to Patrick Mahomes and his place among the NFL’s all-time great quarterbacks.

• Mahomes’ Potential for Greatness:
  • Nick discusses Mahomes’ record-breaking performances and his potential Hall of Fame career: “He’s smashing records and with Andy Reid, they’re a formidable duo” (08:19).
  • Herm Edwards speculates on Mahomes’ future achievements: “If he continues his trajectory, he could very well join the elite group of all-time greats” (10:32).

d. Jalen Hurts and the Eagles’ Offense

The hosts analyze Jalen Hurts’ role and the Eagles’ offensive dynamics.

• Hurts’ Versatility:
  • Nick highlights Hurts’ ability to extend plays: “He’s not just a passer; he can run and make explosive plays out of the backfield” (12:07).
  • Herm Edwards praises the supporting cast around Hurts: “He’s surrounded by some of the best receivers in the league, giving him plenty of weapons” (20:27).

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2. Super Bowl Halftime Show Insights

a. Kendrick Lamar’s Performance

The discussion moves to the much-anticipated halftime show featuring Kendrick Lamar.

• Potential Collaborations:
  • Herm Edwards speculates on special guests: “There’s a rumor it might be Taylor Swift or Janet Jackson joining Kendrick” (27:54).

b. Legal Battles Impacting Performances

The hosts touch upon Kendrick Lamar’s legal issues and their potential effect on his halftime performance.

• Defamation Lawsuit Against Drake:
  • Myron Metcalf explains the legal standing: “Kendrick Lamar can perform his song despite Drake’s defamation lawsuit because the lawsuit requires proving actual malice” (29:06).

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3. Super Bowl Commercials Breakdown

a. Nike’s Triumphant Return

Nike is set to make a significant comeback with their Super Bowl ad, emphasizing female athletes.

• Highlighting Female Athletes:
  • Dick shares details: “Nike’s commercial will feature over half a dozen elite female athletes, including Caitlin Clark, Sabrina Enescu, and Asia Wilson” (32:19).
  • Herm Edwards expresses excitement: “I love seeing brands like Nike capitalize on the momentum in women’s sports” (32:39).

b. Myron’s Super Bowl Commercial

Myron reveals his involvement in a localized Super Bowl commercial.

• Collaboration with Kobe Braya:
  • Myron Metcalf announces: “I did a Super Bowl commercial with Kentucky basketball player Kobe Braya, airing in the Lexington, Louisville, and Cincinnati markets” (33:28).

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4. Potential FA Cup Upset: Plymouth Argyle vs. Liverpool

Away from the NFL spotlight, the hosts discuss an ongoing FA Cup match that could see a historic upset.

• David vs. Goliath Scenario:

  • Myron Metcalf highlights the matchup: “Plymouth Argyle, currently last in the Championship, is up against Liverpool, one of Europe’s best teams. With 20 minutes left and Argyle leading 1-0, this could be a historic upset” (23:41).
  • Dick compares it to a major NCAA upset: “It’s like Duke losing to a last-place team in the NCAA tournament” (24:46).

• Club History:

  • Dick explains Plymouth Argyle’s nickname: “They’re known as the Pilgrims, named after the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders regiment” (37:55).

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5. Reflections on Winning and Losing

The episode concludes with philosophical insights on how victories and defeats impact individuals and teams.

• Chiefs’ Competitive Nature:

  • Myron Metcalf shares a personal anecdote: “When you lose a significant game, it sticks with you just as much as the wins” (39:00).
  • Herm Edwards counters with a broader perspective: “Winners talk about losses to feel relatable, but in reality, these defeats are moments that drive them to achieve more” (40:50).

• Trey Crux on Chiefs’ Mindset:

  • Myron Metcalf references Teddy Brusky’s statement: “If the Chiefs lose, they will remember it as much as their Super Bowl wins, driving them to secure history” (39:00).

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6. Upcoming Shows and Final Remarks

The hosts wrap up the episode by teasing future content and upcoming shows.

• Clinton and Friends:

  • Myron Metcalf announces his new show: “Starting February 10th, I’ll be hosting ‘Clinton and Friends’ on Sportsmanlike from 10am to 12pm Eastern/Western Time” (36:20).

• Final Commercials and Wrap-Up:

  • Herm Edwards and Myron Metcalf engage in light-hearted banter about their commercials, maintaining the episode’s engaging and personable tone (35:20).

• Closing Statement:

  • Matt Jones signs off: “Thanks for listening to Matt and Myron the Podcast. Join us every Sunday morning at 10am Eastern on ESPN Radio, the ESPN app, and Sirius XM channel 80” (45:47).

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Notable Quotes:

• Herm Edwards: “In Super Bowl history, only 10 running backs have hit the 124-yard mark in rushing yards. Nine of those were by Saquon Barkley.” (04:55)

• Nick: “He reminds me of Barry Sanders with his explosiveness and Eric Dickerson’s long speed.” (06:08)

• Myron Metcalf: “If they can get to Mahomes with four rushers, it disrupts Kansas City's timing and pace.” (02:10)

• Myron Metcalf: “Teddy Brusky said if the Chiefs lose, they'll remember it as much as their Super Bowl wins.” (39:00)

• Dick: “Nike’s commercial will feature over half a dozen elite female athletes, including Caitlin Clark, Sabrina Enescu, and Asia Wilson.” (32:19)

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the key discussions and insights shared by Matt Jones, Myron Metcalf, and guest Herm Edwards, providing listeners with a thorough understanding of the episode's content without needing to tune in.

Transcript

[Matt Jones]

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[Herm Edwards]

This is Matt and Myron the podcast.

[Nick]

It'S hard to describe the feeling.

[Myron Metcalf]

This all began back in July for these players. It's a year round job for them. This is what they all battle for, what they fight for. They go through the pain for.

[Herm Edwards]

Pay for the guy beside you.

[Myron Metcalf]

Pay for everybody. Holmes Backpedaling wats oh, what a throw by Mahomes. Give me everything you got today, man. Fighting for the end zone. What a run. Touchdown Philadelphia.

[Herm Edwards]

This is Super Countdown to Kickoff on ESPN Radio. Now alongside Myron Metcalf, here's Matt Jones.

[Myron Metcalf]

It is Super Cav at the kickoff here on ESPN Radio, presented by Progressive Insurance. Matt Jones, Myron Metcalf. Herm Edwards, ESPN NFL Analyst is here and he's presented by Progressive Insurance. I'm gonna give you a riddle brought to you by Progressive Insurance. What do your home and Ottawa have in common? Progressive and Herm Edwards protect them both. It was an easy riddle and you can learn [e-mail] Herm Edwards Stand in front of your house and protect it. All right, so Herm it is Chiefs and Eagles. We've gone a long way to get here and now we're here. You get this game. I think you're looking at two of the three best teams. Maybe throw in Buffalo there, who, who lost and now you get to see who the best is. I want to know what you think is the key matchup tonight on either offense or defense that will decide who's holding the trophy at about 10 o'clock this evening.

[Nick]

I think it's, it's the, it's the defensive line of the Philadelphia Eagles. Can, can they block them? That's going to be the critical part, I think in the fact that, you know, they can rush four guys and get to the quarterback and that to me that that's going to be how do they, how do they go about dealing with that? Right?

[Myron Metcalf]

I keep hearing people talk about that exact point if they can get to the quarterback with four. Just for people who are not, who listen to this show but are not ex and O people explain to people, if they rush four and get to the quarterback, what that does to a team like Kansas City, who maybe doesn't have a ton of dudes who get a ton of separation.

[Nick]

Well, what it allows you to do is you have more in coverage. Now. You can use more coverage people, right? I mean, you can use seven. You can use seven in coverage. So that gives you more avenues of doing things, of taking guys away, of double teaming, whatever you want to do. I mean, you have the advantage. They have five receivers. You got seven. Can they release all five of them first?

[Myron Metcalf]

It's Val Mahomes. You can keep a guy home.

[Nick]

You can just do a lot of things. You can do a lot of different things, right? So that when you can rush with four, that always gives the defense a little bit of an advantage. And with that being said, you know, we'll see what that looks like. I think if you're the Chiefs on your side of it, you got to look at, okay, how do we stop this run game? You're not going to stop it. You're not going to stop it, but you got to slow it down. You can't allow Barkley to hit the 20, 30 yarders. You know, he can give him five or six. Okay, that's. That's fine. I think Bolton and, you know, Reed, the strong safety, and you know, they're going to have to make sure that, you know, they can come down and tackle. That's going to be the critical part for me. When you watch this guy, you know that how do they deal with the runner? That's going to be. Do they bring pressure on rundowns to try to get into the backfield to disrupt him? Disrupt him. You know, tranquil is another one. He's another one of those linebackers. You know, he's tranquil and bolting the linebackers. And Reed is a strong safety. Those are the three tackling machines for this defense. They're going to be asked to tackle 26, and that's hard to do sometimes.

[Herm Edwards]

I have a stat that I've been saving for this moment, Coach, because I wanted to get your reaction to it. And everybody listen. This is a stat you should know as well.

[Myron Metcalf]

You've been saving this for this moment. How long you've been saying, yeah, for the whole show.

[Herm Edwards]

I've had it. I've just been saying it for. Coach. Everybody should hear this stat. Right?

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm ready.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay. In NFL history, yeah. 10 running backs have hit the 124 yard mark in rushing yards. Only 10. 10 running backs. The Running backs who reach that mark.

[Myron Metcalf]

You mean in the Super Bowl?

[Herm Edwards]

In the super bowl, okay, only 10 running backs have hit 124 rushing yards or more, right? The running backs who reach that mark in super bowl history, their teams are nine and one will say Quan Barkley hit that mark. And if he doesn't, coach, what are the chances that the Eagles can still win?

[Nick]

If he doesn't, I don't know if the Eagles can win because this whole offense is. It surrounds what he does. And you know, he's like, you know, he's almost like a wide receiver in this sense. He can make explosive plays. Like when your wide receiver catches the ball 20 yards down the field, that is an explosive play. He does it the opposite. He does it getting the ball five yards behind a line of scrimmage and then running for 20 or 30. And if you watch all these games that he's been involved in, that's what he did. Let me see what he gets against Washington in the playoffs, right?

[Myron Metcalf]

What makes him so different, Herm? Why is he able to do that in ways other guys can?

[Nick]

Well, I. Look, when I, you know, when I watched him this year, I'm trying to figure out who is this guy? Who does he. Who does he remind me of, right? So as I kept watching him play, I said, you know, he reminds me, okay, He's Barry Sanders as far as. Watch what I'm getting ready to tell you. He's Barry Sanders as far as explosiveness with his legs, able to stop and accelerate and make people miss. And he has the long speed of Eric Dickerson. He's a combination of those two guys.

[Herm Edwards]

He's an all time great. You think? I mean, he's that.

[Nick]

I'm just saying how he runs. I'm not saying he's those guys. I'm saying he has those traits. He has the traits of. Have you ever go watch Barry Sanders? We played against him. I coached against that guy. But he has that same stop and he has instant acceleration, right? He can jump cut and he's at full speed. And then he has long speed like Eric Dickerson. When Eric Dickerson broke the, you know, broke the line of scrimmage and he threw that head back, it's over, man. He threw those shoulders back and he rolled it.

[Myron Metcalf]

He's also built big like those. When I think of Barry Sanders and Eric Dickinson, I think of like short, like not skinny, but you know what I mean? Eric was tall. He's a big dude.

[Nick]

Yeah, Eric was. That's what I'm saying. He's not, he's. You're not listening. Don't look at the body type. I'm talking about his skill set. He has the skill set of Barry Sanders where he could stop and start. He had the long speed like Eric Dickerson. When he got past you, you didn't catch him. I'm not saying he's those guys, those.

[Herm Edwards]

All timers and I know you know more than I know he has the.

[Nick]

Traits of those guys. He has the traits of those guys.

[Herm Edwards]

To me, if he's that though, if he is in that lane right then to me he's going to be Super Bowl MVP and he's going to be the leader.

[Myron Metcalf]

Now they didn't win.

[Herm Edwards]

They didn't, they didn't win. They didn't win. But that was more about their teams. But if you're going to join that group, this is where you got to do something epic. Oh, and I think that'd be the question if he can do that.

[Nick]

Well, well, I'm not going to, I'm not betting against him. Yeah, I'm not betting against him or Patrick Mahomes.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, let me ask you about the guy that I'm not betting against, which is Patrick Mohmes. I mean you, you talk about all time greats. I mean we've never seen a three peat in NFL history. We've never seen a three peat in sports since Kobe and Shaq 2000, 2002. I mean this is historic stuff today in your mind, Mahomes, first of all, a, is he already in the group of three to five, two to three, pick your amounts of best quarterbacks ever. And then what if he wins today, does he get in a different group for you? Like where is he and Hern Edwards knowing the whole league's mind?

[Nick]

Oh, I think if he continues to play, he smashes all the records. And I'm just one of those guys. I, you know, this is what's great about sports. You know, we, when things of this nature come and we see it or like what Saquon Barkley did, you know, this year, I mean when we see it, we always try to go, well, is he liked it? I just say, look, you know, I'm going to enjoy the guy watching him play and I don't know when it's going to end for him. Is it going to end five years from now, six years from now? I don't know. But as he continues to win, he just keeps eclipsing these records. You know, he, we thought when Captain America and the New England Patriots Made that run. We said, well, we won't see this again. Well, not so fast. We're seeing it again. But Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid all of a sudden become the talk of the town. Right? And I heard you guys talking earlier about, you know, Andy, you know, he maybe doesn't get the accolades like these other coaches. Andy's going to go down as a Hall of Famer. I mean, we know that. I mean, Patrick Mahomes is as well. And I just think, you know, Patrick Mahomes is not even 30 years old. Guys, Andy Reid ain't retiring no time soon. Why should he? He still has energy. He talked about his energy, still has energy, still has passion. Why wouldn't he? He's got, he's got a good football. He's got a quarterback. I mean, yeah, the head coach is as good as the quarterback. You look at any of these successful head coaches and they've had long careers, ask the question, who's a quarterback? It goes hand in hand, guys. That never changes.

[Herm Edwards]

Is this, you know, Nolan Ryan, Roger Clemens and that Jalen hurts has to match somewhat of what Patrick Mahomes does. Or is it, you know, are they just too different?

[Nick]

They're different. In a sense. The Patrick Mahomes has the uniqueness of this, this is what makes him so, so unusual. You know, he, he's won what, 17 games, one score games?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I don't know.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, you know, that's some luck in there, though.

[Nick]

Well, yeah, but, but it's, it's, you know what? And that's okay because someone told me a long time, you know what, when you work hard and you're good, you get lucky. Okay, that's good, that's good. That goes, that goes along with the deal. When you work hard and you're a good player, you get lucky. We've seen that before, guys. We've seen it in sports, any sport. So I just think that he's unique in the sense that he's very calm and this team is very calm in one score games. They're kind of, they take a little bit from the New England Patriots. What they say, hey, let them beat themselves. They're going to make mistakes. They don't make mistakes. And big moments, they just don't. They have the confidence in the guy. They have the confidence in the quarterback, have confidence in Andy. They say, we got the ball last, we're going to win.

[Myron Metcalf]

There have been a lot of, I mean, when I was a kid, all the Super Bowls were routes. Recent years, they've all Been close. I mean, like eight. Oh, last nine have been close. So let's assume this is a close.

[Nick]

Oh, boy.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right, it's a close and we know Mahomes will come through, but let's say it's Jalen hurts with the ball to decide what's going to happen with Steve Spagnola sitting there in that defense.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

Can he do it? Can he do what Josh Allen and the Bills couldn't do last week, which is get that last score if they need to?

[Nick]

I think he can. I think he's a mentally tough guy and he understands what's at stake here. You know, he's a smart guy. He knows, you know, he doesn't come off, like, very, you know, brash and all that stuff. He just kind of. I can remember when the season started and he wasn't throwing the ball a lot. They were running the football. That's what they did. Good. And he didn't care about the stats and all that stuff, but, you know, what he has for him is he can run. So you can bring all them blitzes if you want. That's all sounds good on paper, but you better, you better make sure you got this guy covered because he'll take off and run. And you know, he, he, he's a, he's a runner that. It's not 5 yards, it's, it's 10 yards. And all of a sudden you go, man, he's running for 20 yards already. How does he do that? And before you know it, you know, like the last game they played in and it was a blowout. I, I get it. Barkley only ran the ball 16 times.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah, guys, scary.

[Nick]

Jalen Hurst ran it 10. He ran it 10 times. So you, you know, they make it 11 on 11 football when you play this offense now because you got a quarterback that sits there and go, guys, this guy ain't just a runner. A five yard runner. He could run for 25. It's. And it's kind of. He's a nifty runner. He's kind of like floating. All of a sudden you go, man, he's still running 15 yards down the field, he's still running. Somebody tackle a guy, please. Right? He's that kind of guy.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, we'll find out if it works. I'm excited about the game today. Her mom. The only thing that makes me sad is this will end our time. Yeah. Weekly with.

[Herm Edwards]

We love having you.

[Nick]

You got my number. Just call me, man. I'm available. I can, I can, I can, I can talk from The west coast in.

[Myron Metcalf]

September, you come back. I'll tell you what we will do. You know, we, we were a big college basketball game, guys. We're gonna make you pick a bracket when it comes out. All right, who's any good?

[Nick]

You know what? You know what I found out today? Alabama's good, huh?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, they went the Final Four last.

[Nick]

Year, but, yeah, you know, I was kind of shocked because Alabama got a good basketball team, huh?

[Myron Metcalf]

They do.

[Herm Edwards]

I was there this week.

[Myron Metcalf]

Alabama.

[Herm Edwards]

I was there this week.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, Alabama and Auburn. Iron Bowl. The Iron bowl might be number one and two this week, Herb. How about that? Wait, wait.

[Nick]

So women, the Dukies in the North Carolinas, they no good.

[Herm Edwards]

No more.

[Myron Metcalf]

Snoop's going to be like number three. Tuck, he's like 12 or 13. North Carolina's unranked. They stink.

[Nick]

How about Indiana?

[Myron Metcalf]

They just leave coaches so bad they're gone. They're retiring.

[Nick]

Well, they invented basketball. Indiana didn't.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, that was Kansas, but you're getting closer. Edwards, thank you very much. It was great having you this year, guys, man.

[Nick]

Love you both, man. Enjoy the super bowl, man.

[Herm Edwards]

I appreciate it.

[Myron Metcalf]

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[Myron Metcalf]

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[Herm Edwards]

Welcome the 2025 NFL Draft on ESPN Radio.

[Nick]

The NFL Draft is now underway.

[Herm Edwards]

Live from historic Lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wisconsin with the first pick. It all begins with round one. The Tennessee Titans select Thursday, April 24th on ESPN Radio. ESPN and on ABC. Matt and Myron the podcast.

[Myron Metcalf]

It is Super Cat dad to kick off presented by progressive Insurance Chiefs and Eagles. 6:30 Super Bowl 59 in the including the playoffs, Saquon Barkley has amassed 2447 rushing yards this year. He needs 30 more to surpass Terrell Davis for the most in a season. All time. That's almost certainly going to happen. You seemed a little, like, I don't know, a little shocked to hear Herm compare him to the greats. Why not? I mean, he's the best of our era, isn't he?

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah. I just think those guys are on a different level, you know?

[Myron Metcalf]

So when I hear old, though, I mean, like, like, I don't mean that to be, like, making fun of you. I'm older than you. But isn't there a sense that we are nostalgic about our past? I mean, you and I have talked. You usually agree with me.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

At every thing in sports, the best person to do it is now. So why would it be crazy that that's not true about running backs?

[Herm Edwards]

Because I. Because I believe it about everything. But running backs, I feel like. So for me.

[Myron Metcalf]

But why? Just because you love Barry Sanders? I mean, why, if we agree and you and I do, that the best athletes at every sport and every position are now, why wouldn't that also be true? Why wouldn't you just say Saquon Barkley is just as athletic, if not more so, than Barry Sanders?

[Herm Edwards]

Because I don't want to believe that. I mean, it's probably true, but I don't want to say it. I mean, and to me, when you say Barry Sanders, no, he didn't win a Super bowl, but he won mvp and he carried a franchise for a decade before a bad franchise, before he left the sport. If you say names like that, you have to do something.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, he's done it. He's already made it farther than Barry Sanders did in the playoffs. It's not Like, Jalen hurts, but I mean, it's this amazing quarter. But. But to be fair, it's not like he's playing with Lamar or Joe Jones. He's playing with Jalen hurts, Matt Jones.

[Herm Edwards]

We can't compare these Eagles to those lions of the 80s and 90s. Like, we can. We can't make that comparison between. Because. Because that was a terrible embarrassment of a franchise.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay, but I've just given you, like, I don't know what stat you want. He has more yards in the regular season than Barry had. He's going to maybe break the record for most yards, period. Now, of course, Barry didn't get to play those playoff games. So I'm not comparing that. He's not the mvp only because the NFL has changed and quarterbacks throw for so much. I think if, by the way, he was the closest a running backs been to an MVP probably in 15 years or 20 years. Like, why not?

[Herm Edwards]

I just won't even. I won't say Barry Sanders and Saquon. Like, it just will never happen for me. I think he can be a really pivotal piece of what they do today if he walks away and he's super.

[Myron Metcalf]

But you're not giving me anything. But you're not giving me any rationale beyond. I just won't.

[Herm Edwards]

Terrell Davis is a great running back. Terrell Davis is a great running back.

[Myron Metcalf]

But he was playing with John Elway. That's. That's different.

[Herm Edwards]

But hear me out. Hear me out. But he wants to bowl mvp, and I think he's sort of elevated because of that. I think Saquon's in that category. Not greatest running back of all time.

[Myron Metcalf]

He's ahead of that. Like, like again, Terrell Davis won mvp, but he was playing with John Elway. He's playing with a Hall of Famer. As of now, Saquon Barkley is not playing with a Hall of Famer. He's playing with a good quarterback, but he's not even playing with a quarterback that would be considered one of the eight best in the league.

[Herm Edwards]

Why are you. But why are you minimizing the Eagles? Like, help me understand that. Like, why are you.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm saying to you, the Eagles aren't.

[Herm Edwards]

This Disney story that suddenly, oh, man, let's, let's feel sorry for the Eagles who could win with Devonte Smith and A.J. brown.

[Myron Metcalf]

And I want you to use something objective to tell me that Saquon Barkley can't be in the same conversation, at least for this season, with, with Barry Sanders. I mean, Saquon Barkley put up crazy numbers with the Giants. They were as bad. Hang on a second. They were just as bad as the Barry Sanders lines were.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah. These conversations are always subjective, but what I. What I'm pushing back on is you suddenly making the Philadelphia Eagles an After School Special. You know that's not what they are. They went to the Super bowl two years ago. Jalen Hurts got a $200 million contract because he was viewed as a top five quarterback in this league.

[Myron Metcalf]

But you don't believe. You don't view him as a top five quarterback.

[Herm Edwards]

He's one of the better quarterbacks in this league, clearly. And he's surrounded by one of the best supporting cast in this league. So for me, Saquon is added. But he jumped on a team that had already made it to a Super Bowl.

[Myron Metcalf]

But he was pretty good when he was on one of the worst teams in the league. Like, he was on a disaster of a team, and he still was putting up huge numbers before he got there. The question was, was he done? Most people thought he was. I mean, we obviously saw the Giants thought that. And then he comes and does this. I'm not saying he's ahead of Barry Sanders. I'm just saying Herm Edwards comment that he had Barry Sanders qualities.

[Herm Edwards]

I don't like it.

[Myron Metcalf]

But you. But you're just. You're just saying that because Barry is the guy of your youth.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah. That's kind of what we do in sports talk radio. I'll tell you who we do, Matt. I'll tell you who he is. I'll tell you who Saquon is. If they win it. Only if they win it. He's Chris Bosh with the Miami Heat.

[Myron Metcalf]

Stop it. Stop it. Chris Bosh.

[Herm Edwards]

He's Chris Bosh.

[Myron Metcalf]

Chris Bosch was the third best player on his team. Do you think he's the third best player on the Eagles?

[Herm Edwards]

He's Chris Bosh. Chris Bosh was incredible in Toronto. People don't remember the Toronto Raptors. Chris Bosh.

[Myron Metcalf]

But was lost. Chris Bosh was the third best player on the Heat. Are you telling me Barkley's the best player on the offense for the Eagles?

[Herm Edwards]

No, he. I mean, he's probably maybe the most important offensive player, but my point is.

[Myron Metcalf]

So he's not Chris Bosh now.

[Herm Edwards]

He is Chris Bosh because he's joining something that was already. Could be great without him.

[Myron Metcalf]

Stop it. Who's. The Eagles could be great. The Eagles. Who are LeBron and Wade in your analogy?

[Herm Edwards]

Well, they're. They're great players.

[Myron Metcalf]

I Mean, they're Hurts and A.J.

[Herm Edwards]

Brown. Two guys who dropped his team.

[Myron Metcalf]

Hurts and A.J. stop talking. We gotta go for your own.

[Herm Edwards]

What are you talking about?

[Myron Metcalf]

We have to go to break. You just compared Hertz and A.J. brown to LeBron and J.

[Herm Edwards]

For the purposes of the metaphors, I'm.

[Myron Metcalf]

Gonna have to let us go. Let's go to a break. It's Super Cat down to kickoff on ESPN Radio.

[Herm Edwards]

Hey, it's your resident super bowl champ, Chris Canyon. Coming up Monday, I'll give you my biggest takeaways from Super Bowl 59.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's unsportsmanlike.

[Herm Edwards]

6:00Am Eastern, right here on ESPN Radio, ESPN2 and ESPNU Foreign. Myron, the podcast. This is Super Countdown to Kickoff on ESPN Radio.

[Myron Metcalf]

You know, I like to tell you. What is this, Myron, when there are potential big upsets going on. All right, so I'm gonna give it to you right now as we speak on ESPN plus. So this is one of our sister entities. The FA cup is happening. That's where all the teams in England play each other. We've talked about that before. All the teams from pub teams to Liverpool. Right now, Liverpool is playing in the fourth round at Plymouth Argyle. Plymouth Argyle, Myron, is in the second level, which is called the championship. And they're in last place. They're about to be relegated. Just a small little team, Plymouth Argyle. And they are. With 20 minutes left, up 1 nothing on Liverpool, maybe the best team in Europe. Myron, this could be a historic upset between Plymouth Argyle and Liverpool.

[Herm Edwards]

So what happens if Liverpool loses? What does that mean?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, they're out. They're out of the FA Cup. Liverpool will be gone. Having lost to Plymouth Argyle and you know, the FA cup, that's like one of the historic things. It's next to the regular season in the Champions League, the thing you want to win the most. They could be out to little the.

[Herm Edwards]

Minnows of Plymouth Argyle and they're like plumbers and fire. Like.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, no, these are not plumbers. These are pro guys. But they. It would be the equivalent if. Let's see, what would be a good equivalent? It would be the equivalent if, like Duke in college basketball were losing to the last place team in the A10 in the NCAA Tournament. Like last place.

[Herm Edwards]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Myron Metcalf]

Whoever that would be. So that would be. Who's the last place team in the Atlantic 10? I don't know, but it would be. It would be something like Sal be like, yes, Duke is losing to LaSalle in a NCAA tournament that everyone gets invited to. That's what it would be like.

[Herm Edwards]

So, yeah, it's. It's wild. And they're at Plymouth and they're going.

[Myron Metcalf]

So they're playing at this little small place. Maybe at some point Nick can tell us more about Plymouth Argyle, what it is. But so that just 20 minutes left. It's on ESPN plus if you want to see a potential historic upset. Now, the game is not the only thing that's going on with the Super Bowl. There's always a lot of other stuff and we want to get you ready for that too with our super bowl headlines. Extra, extra.

[Herm Edwards]

Real model the Sunday headlines.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right, Dick, give me some super bowl headlines.

[Dick]

I was actually looking at where Plymouth Argyle is on the map. It's. Yes, we're literally at the bottom of England, like in the bottom southwest corner. So.

[Myron Metcalf]

So it's down like in the hinterlands down there.

[Dick]

It's like underneath Wales.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, that's like a. Not a very. It's not a lot of very populated place in Plymouth Argyle.

[Herm Edwards]

It's like the Jacksonville of England. Like what. How would you describe.

[Dick]

Jacksonville's pretty popular?

[Myron Metcalf]

No, I would say it's more like the Brownsville, Texas.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay, okay. I said like do. It was like the hood of England or something. Yeah, no, I think don't go to Plymouth.

[Myron Metcalf]

You know what? Isn't that right? That's a place, right?

[Herm Edwards]

Don't stop at the gas station.

[Myron Metcalf]

They have. Isn't that where they have spring break and some. For the people of Texas.

[Dick]

Any relation to Plymouth Rock? All right.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes, actually, I think it is. I actually think it is. I think it was named by people from Plymouth. I think it is anyway.

[Herm Edwards]

Plymouth where?

[Myron Metcalf]

Plymouth. Plymouth Rock. Like when they went to Plymouth Rock, it was named after Plymouth, England.

[Herm Edwards]

Oh, it left from there.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know. I don't have their itinerary. Myron. I'm just saying most things. Most things in America were named for things in England and that's what Plymouth Rock was anyway. Go ahead. What's up?

[Dick]

All right, let's start with American football. Now, main part of the super bowl is the halftime show. Obviously this year it will be Kendrick Lamar. Last week Kendrick put on a show at the Grammys, not only winning one Grammy, but he won five for not like us, including record of the year, song of the year, best music video. He will be taking the stage at halftime today. There's a lot of rumors going on. Rumored to be one of the jaw dropping performances in recent years. Also possible collaboration with Taylor Swift. Obviously have done a few tracks together on Taylor Swift's albums. So, Myron, what are you looking forward to in Kendrick's performance?

[Herm Edwards]

The Kendrick's team send that to you, man. That was pretty good set up, man.

[Myron Metcalf]

That was like.

[Herm Edwards]

There is a rumor, though. There's a rumor that there's a special guest. And my guess is it's either Taylor or Janet Jackson, one of the two. Um, yeah, I just, you know, it'd be interesting to see, man, because this is. I was a Kendrick fan before all this stuff, but, like, Not Like Us, it's just, you know, put him in a whole different realm. And now the big debate is, will he actually do the Not Like Us song that Drake is suing about?

[Dick]

Of course.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know.

[Herm Edwards]

I don't know.

[Myron Metcalf]

Why would he not do it? Like, that's just.

[Herm Edwards]

That's like the lawyers are saying he can't or something. Like, they're illegal people saying.

[Myron Metcalf]

Lawyers are saying that. Nobody.

[Herm Edwards]

The ones at tmz.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, then you definitely. Oh, listen, the ones at tmz, there. He's performing it. He has to. He won the Grammy for it. It's what. It's what everybody knows he's not. I mean, he's already gotten sued, so doing it on the super bowl is not going to change the lawsuit. He'll win the lawsuit. Drake's going to lose that one. So, like, there's nowhere play in trouble, though.

[Herm Edwards]

Can he get in trouble?

[Myron Metcalf]

What do you mean?

[Herm Edwards]

I mean trouble.

[Myron Metcalf]

What does that mean, get in trouble?

[Herm Edwards]

I'm asking you, like, you have a law backgrounded. See, people like us, I don't know the legal field. I'm saying Drake sued him. See, look what happens, man. I asked you a serious question. You say, like, get grounded. That's why I don't ask you stuff, man.

[Myron Metcalf]

Drake sued for defamation. And in America, when you are a public figure, which Drake is, you have to show actual malice to win defamation. So you have to show that not only did the person lie about you, he knew he was lying and he did it anyway. All Kendrick Lamar would have to show is, I have a reasonable suspicion to say what I said, even if it ends up wrong. I think Kendrick Lamar will meet that standard easily. So I do not think Drake will win the lawsuit. So, yes, he can perform it if he wants to today. And I don't know if he does or not, but we'll see.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay.

[Dick]

All right, all right. The next headline we know.

[Herm Edwards]

That's a real question.

[Myron Metcalf]

What you said. You said get ground ball. I didn't know what you meant, but.

[Dick]

Go Ahead, they're going to arrest him on the stage.

[Herm Edwards]

All right, see you all. See, that's why I don't ask you all real stuff, man. I'm asking you all real questions.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right, go ahead.

[Dick]

All right. We know Taylor Swift will be there because of Travis Kelce, but Travis Kelce may not be there next year. This could be the last time we see the arguably greatest tight end of all time take the field. His decision could hinge on the final result of tonight's game. According to a report, he said he will take a time after the game to decide his future. He's been hinting at retirement for actually quite some time now. A few years. Should he retire, he will go down as arguably the greatest weapon in postseason history. He needs three catches tonight to pass Jerry Rice for the most receptions in super bowl history. And he already has the most yards in super bowl history as well.

[Myron Metcalf]

Matt, I didn't realize any of that. That's amazing. If I were him, I'd retire. I mean, just go ahead, lock it down, get married. You know, you've got. It seems like a wife that it'll be wonderful for you. You won't ever have to do anything again. He'll be on television the moment he's done. Football hurts to get hit all the time. So I, if I were him, I would do it, go ahead and retire. I didn't realize he had a chance to be the all time most successful receptions, most receptions in the Super Bowl. That's amazing. But if I'm Kelsey, especially if I win tonight, Myron, go ahead and ride off into the sunset.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah, I don't think it's going to be his decision alone to make. I'm sure Taylor has some input there. But yeah, I mean, he's done it all. He can make so much money. And again, this is different because usually a tight end leaves the NFL and there's really nothing else. He's going to make way more money after the NFL probably than he will while he was in it. So I think he'll ride off into the sunset, maybe propose to Taylor, you know, who knows? And then, well, that will be like a Netflix wedding, by the way. Like, that'll be like 100 million people Princess Die. It'll be that level. It'll be 100 million people watching on Netflix.

[Myron Metcalf]

100 would be if they had the wedding. You're exactly right. It would be like our era's Princess Die wedding. All right, what's next?

[Dick]

All right. Another major part of the super bowl, of course, is the Commercials this year. It's rumored that a 30 second spot will cost, you know, $8 million for 30 seconds. But this is kind of the headline that's been making the news the last few days. According to the Wall Street Journal, Nike is going to make its first super bowl ad since. Any guess on this one? Last time they had an ad in the Super Bowl, Nike, no idea.

[Herm Edwards]

It was like a decade ago. Right. They did the one in the winter.

[Dick]

With like Gronkowski or 1998 was the last ad that they had to do. This one. They're going all out. They will have more than half a dozen elite female athletes, including Caitlin Clark, Sabrina Enescu and Asia Wilson as they look to capitalize on women's sports in this year.

[Herm Edwards]

Myron, I love it, man. I know. Angel. Reese, I'm not sorry. Asia Wilson just dropped her signature shoe. I want to get a pair. Selling out everywhere, huh?

[Myron Metcalf]

You're going to get a pair. Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

Bam. Out of bio. Her significant other just warm to a game the other day. So that's cool. You know, Sabrina has a shoe. Caitlyn's getting a shoe. So it's just cool to see them kind of capitalizing on this moment, which is obviously big for women's sport.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I don't particularly, you know, that's nice about Nike's commercial. The commercial thing was always a big thing for me. It was actually sometimes more interesting to me than the game back in the day. It feels like it's lost a little bit of the luster with the fact that a lot of these commercials come out beforehand. The surprises aren't quite as much. I'm in a Super bowl commercial tonight. Did you know that, Myron?

[Herm Edwards]

What?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes. Now, I mean, it's only going to air in Kentucky, but I did a Super bowl commercial with Kentucky basketball player Kobe Braya and that will debut tonight during the super bowl if you are in the Lexington, Louisville or Cincinnati television market. So I hope you will look for that.

[Herm Edwards]

Myra, I can say to my new Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra, hey, find a.

[Myron Metcalf]

Keto friendly restaurant nearby and text it to Beth and Steve. And it does without me lifting a.

[Herm Edwards]

Finger so I can get in more.

[Myron Metcalf]

Squats anywhere I can.

[Herm Edwards]

1, 2, 3.

[Matt Jones]

Will that be cash or credit?

[Myron Metcalf]

Credit.

[Matt Jones]

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[Herm Edwards]

So you can do you get [e-mail].

[Myron Metcalf]

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[Myron Metcalf]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Herm Edwards]

I'm not in Kentucky, but I mean, yeah, I'm sure some little.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I mean, I'm sure it'll, like, maybe it'll go viral. I mean, it's for a bank in Kentucky, so it probably won't air in Minnesota, but I still think, who knows?

[Herm Edwards]

I mean, we gonna have, like, Bob's Carpet or whatever here, too. Yeah, we gonna have those commercials, too.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, are you in Bob's car?

[Herm Edwards]

You know what's funny is when you go from, like, the Nike $8 million ones to, like, Bob's Carpet. The quality.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's gonna be me. It's me, Kobe Braya, and a Sasquatch. That's the commercial. I won't give away anymore the whole thing away.

[Herm Edwards]

I think you just gave the whole plot.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I mean, I didn't tell you what the three of us are doing. Like, we're doing something like we're gonna be. We're gonna be out there. We're moving and shaking Myron. So you need to watch for it. There you go. Don't worry, I'll send it to you. I'm told it's during the break for the first quarter. For those of you.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay, yeah, now send it.

[Myron Metcalf]

I thought you'd be more supportive of my commercial.

[Herm Edwards]

Is it good quality? I hope it's good quality.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know. I just. I went. I did the shoot, showed up, had to wear a jacket.

[Herm Edwards]

Like, some of these commercials look like they were shot on, like, a 1995.

[Myron Metcalf]

Oh, no. This is gonna look great.

[Herm Edwards]

You know, this is.

[Myron Metcalf]

We. We hired Steven Soderbergh and Spielberg. We got. We got.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay, you got.

[Myron Metcalf]

Y'all had a budget coming up next.

[Herm Edwards]

So Bob's Carpet got that budget that was in house.

[Myron Metcalf]

The Chiefs are looking for more than just one Super Bowl. They are looking for history. And Myron is also looking to see if Plymouth Argyle can hang on and beat Liverpool. That's all next right here on Super Countdown on ESPN the Radio. What's up, kiddos?

[Herm Edwards]

Clinton Yates here.

[Myron Metcalf]

I've got a new show starting February 10th after the super bowl called Clinton and Friends. Monday through Friday from 10am to 12pm Eastern Western Time.

[Herm Edwards]

I'm just a journalist who loves life.

[Myron Metcalf]

And have had the opportunity to see so many different places and I can't wait to share it all with everyone.

[Nick]

And stay on top of the news of the day.

[Myron Metcalf]

Clinton, Friends, don't be a stranger. I'll see you on the radio, kiddos.

[Herm Edwards]

Matt and Myron the podcast. This is Super Countdown to kickoff on ESPN radio.

[Myron Metcalf]

87 minutes into the 90 minutes. Myron plus Plymouth Argyle 1 Liverpool 0 One of the great potential upsets. If it happens right now on ESPN plus, they'll have a few extra minutes. Liverpool is pressing. But your Plymouth Argyle. Well, they don't have nicknames. Argos Sweaters.

[Herm Edwards]

Is that their name? Nobody come from. Is that where the sweater comes from?

[Myron Metcalf]

Nick is the name of the. The name of the town is Plymouth. Will you figure out why they're called Argyle? I actually don't know the work on it question. Yeah, because they. The name of the town is Plymouth. It's not. I don't know why. You know, in, in soccer sometimes they'll just put a number or like something next to their name. I don't know why they're called Argyle to be honest, Myron, but we'll find out.

[Herm Edwards]

Sweaters would be.

[Myron Metcalf]

And it'd be interesting to see if it's the same reason as Argyle sweaters. Right?

[Dick]

Their nickname is the Pilgrims.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, because of Plymouth Rock.

[Dick]

I don't know where Argyle comes from.

[Herm Edwards]

So does Liverpool get relegated if they.

[Myron Metcalf]

This is just a competition. It's like a tournament. Relegated though that's the regular season and Plymouth is likely going to get relegated to Division 3. But they might still have this win which is kind of a wild thing. So find out why they're called Argyle because I've known they've been called that.

[Herm Edwards]

Forever and I don't find out about the sweaters.

[Myron Metcalf]

I do like that they're the Pilgrims because I said they landed on Plymouth Rock.

[Herm Edwards]

It's a real thing.

[Myron Metcalf]

The Chiefs and the Eagles 6:30 tonight. You know, I don't know if you're like this, Myron, but I, I am someone who sometimes the criticisms or the failures stick with me more than the successes. Are you like that, Myron? Like, do you remember? Like, are you someone who can get praised 10 times but then if the 11th person criticizes you, you remember the criticism. Are you like that?

[Herm Edwards]

No, I bask in the praise for the most part. That's how I try to live my life.

[Nick]

So.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, all right. Well see some people I think are like me and like for whatever reason it's hard to take the praise. It's easier to think about the criticism.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, Teddy Brusky, ESPN NFL analyst, said this today about the Chiefs, that if the Chiefs were to lose, he thinks that will stick with them as much as the games in the Super Bowls they've won. Here's what he said. If the Chiefs don't win this game, they will remember this just as much as their super bowl wins. That's how bad it's going to be. Because I remember 18 and 1. I mean, I, it's, it's. I know where these Chiefs are. They've got championships in their back pocket, man. They're looking for the championships that trumps them all. And they'll always, they'll always look at this opportunity as a failure here. Getting here is not enough for them. So they'll remember. Oh, yeah, you're a three time super bowl champ or you're, you've done this. You know that. Damn. Remember that one? We could have went three in a row, though. That's what they'll remember. Damn. That's what they'll remember. And I get what he said. Like, I, you know, when I did my local nightly television show my second year I did it, I won an Emmy for best Host. Then the third year I lost to a guy, and I still remember that guy. And I'm mad at him even though he didn't do anything wrong. Cause I actually remember the night I lost as much as I remember the night I won. Do you think that'll be true about the Chiefs? Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

I mean, this sounds like something that winners say to each other. You know, when they don't realize, like, this is what winners say to each other when they're by themselves and not in a room full of normal people. They talk about like, oh my, it's like a bunch of millionaires getting together. Like, oh, man, I lost that 250,000. Oh, man. But the real world, no one cares. Like, I watched the Roast of Tom Brady. Not one joke was about the Super Bowls that he lost. Right. It was like all about seven championships. No one's ever done that. So I think maybe people at a certain level talk about that stuff.

[Myron Metcalf]

But the Chiefs are at that level.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah, but I also think you're talking about a guy in my homes who might do this. Like, what's realistic? Let's be conservative. Three more times, four more times before it's over for him.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, possibly.

[Herm Edwards]

I don't know if they lose today, that it becomes this sort of definitive thing for a guy who already has three rings. But I know winners like to say that stuff to each other.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think that I. I think y'all.

[Herm Edwards]

Like, y'all like to feel like we mean y'all.

[Myron Metcalf]

You're a winner.

[Herm Edwards]

You act like.

[Myron Metcalf]

Not you. You are an esp. I see your purple suits on the ACC game of the week. Like, you are. You are a winner. Don't act like you're not a winner.

[Herm Edwards]

But I'm just saying winners like to say that stuff so they can feel like normal people for an hour, you know, like, so they like to do that stuff with each other. I actually think I can relate to losing too well.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think it's real. I think there is for certain people. You don't think Michael Jordan, well, he. Think about Michael Jordan's hall of Fame speech. Meyer, he was mentioning people who doubted him in high school, right? Like. Like dudes like that, it sticks with them. And I do think if the Chiefs were to lose, especially on a chance, you're right. Mahomes will have more chances to win Super Bowls, but, you know, he'll probably never have a chance to have a three peat ever again. I mean, that's unlikely. Could happen, but it's unlikely, like, it'll.

[Herm Edwards]

I think it would stick with him. It would in a way. Because to your point, like Michael Jordan, these guys are obsessive. They're wired differently, which is why they're elite champions. So, like, they're. They're not like everybody else.

[Myron Metcalf]

They're not.

[Herm Edwards]

Like, at the same time, if you lose this game, you're not suddenly the Buffalo Bill, right? So, I mean, that. That's my thing is like, yeah, this may be a blip. The same way for Brady, losing the Manning is kind of just something that, you know, Manning's always had over him.

[Myron Metcalf]

But you. But Brusky said he still remembers it. Like, he still. It sticks with him. And I bet that's true. I can see, you know, I mean, I can see how that is. I just know in my own life, I remember the defeats like you just.

[Herm Edwards]

Do, but not over. I think the defeats matter and they. And they poke you, but not over everything else. Because you have to have the everything else for those defeats to mean anything in the first place. So that's my whole thing is like, at the end of the day, again, people who are successful love to go to happy hours and talk like this. And they love to feel like, look at us experiencing what normal people experience. We just lost something. But you're not normal.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't think this is. I disagree with you that I don't think people say or thinks, think things like that to try to relate to others. I think it eats it. It would eat at these guys inside. Like, take Travis Kelsey. He's. What? He's. He's probably at the end of this, gonna have all the records for most whatever's in Super Bowl. Let's say he retires after the game. He's still gonna have three titles, three Super Bowls. He's gonna be a legend. Bend a five. But I bet you in 15 years when he's sitting around on the Kelsey Brothers AI podcast, that he is going to be going, man, I hate that it ended the way it did. Like, I think that's kind of how these guys are.

[Herm Edwards]

I agree. Like, to your point, that will be one of those things that. Yes, man. Just like Brady will joke about not liking Eli and it's kind of a running joke now. But Travis will also say, wow, I can't believe I actually live in a real castle with Taylor Swift. And they just gave me another $500 million to renew my podcast. Life is really crazy. Remember when I lost that game to the Eagles? Like, my point is what Brusky said. And again, I think guys wired like that. This does mean this to them on some level. He said you'll remember it more than the wins. It's hard for me to imagine that, like, the 30 for 30 about Travis Kelce's life and career is not going to make that a main event. Whatever happens today, it just won't be.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, well, we'll see. I don't know. All right, we've got four minutes left. When we come back from this break.

[Herm Edwards]

We will win, people.

[Myron Metcalf]

If Argyle. Did you find out what Argyle was, by the way?

[Dick]

I did. Yeah. Nothing to do with the socks or patterns. It is club named after the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders, an army regiment with strong football. It was created in 1886 like this.

[Myron Metcalf]

So it's named after an army regiment.

[Herm Edwards]

There you go.

[Myron Metcalf]

The Argyles. That feels like a good army regiment.

[Dick]

Well, they were named after the Sox.

[Myron Metcalf]

And they were the name after the Sox. Oh, okay. Oh, never mind. I thought that would be. Patrick Mahome is a win away from the super bowl, but is he a win away from overtaking for Myron Brady as the goat? That's next on espn.

[Herm Edwards]

Hey, it's Michelle Smallman.

[Myron Metcalf]

And coming up Monday, I'll tell you all the small things I saw from this weekend that you might have missed. It's on Sportsmanlike.

[Nick]

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[Herm Edwards]

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