Hour 2: Is Matt Danhausen?

Summary

Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron

Episode: Hour 2 – Is Matt Danhausen?
Air Date: May 3, 2026
Hosts: Matt Jones, Myron Medcalf (with guest Evan Cohen)
ESPN Radio

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Episode Overview

In this upbeat installment, Matt Jones and Myron Medcalf dive into a lively mix of sports news, game-changing industry trends, and playful debates. They tackle pressing topics in baseball (robot umpires), dissect financial oddities in MLB, marvel at NIL’s Amazon breakthrough with Duke, and share memorable sports stories—sprinkled with personal anecdotes and signature quick wit. Special guest Evan Cohen joins to banter about NBA playoff storylines, Knicks hate, coaching, and the cultural phenomenon of comedic wrestling.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Kentucky Derby & The Triple Crown Scheduling

[00:44–02:15]

• Matt opens with comments on the Kentucky Derby being perceived as more of a standalone event now rather than the start of the Triple Crown.
• Myron’s Proposal: Spread the races out to make all three compelling for top horses:

  "Derby's the first Saturday of May. Preakness is Memorial Day, Belmont's Fourth of July. That's what they need to do." (Myron, 02:10)

• Critique of sports clinging to outdated traditions that hurt their relevance.

2. Baseball’s Tech Revolution: ABS, Challenges & “Robot Umpires”

[02:15–08:57]

• Debate centers on the rise of the Automated Ball-Strike System (ABS) and challenge technology in baseball.

• Myron’s POV: Embraces tech for accuracy. Believes the “human element” just covers for inevitable mistakes:

  "The goal of a game is to figure out which team is better. The goal of a game is not to figure out which umpire is better." (Myron, 04:25)

• Matt’s POV: Values tradition and the role of human umpires, drawing the line at full robot umpires:

  "I don't want to get so involved... it's not sports anymore. It's a video game. You take away the human element of sports." (Matt, 03:39)

• Memorable Moment: Myron shares a story about ABS swinging a game and leading to free pizza for fans, demonstrating the system’s energy:

  "It was electric. It was one of the best moments for ABS of the season." (Myron, 08:00)

• Matt remains resolute:

  "I would not watch baseball if you got robot umpires replacing the real umpires...I bet the majority of baseball fans [wouldn’t watch either]." (Matt, 06:58/08:51)

3. MLB Payrolls Upside-Down: Big Spenders on Bottom

[09:36–10:26]

• Phillies, Mets, and Red Sox are all last in their divisions despite high payrolls; Mets have the highest payroll and worst record.

  "[The Mets] have the highest payroll in baseball and the worst record. I mean, you almost have to try to be that bad." (Myron, 10:26)

• Matt cautions: "It's more of an anomaly...long term you do need a big budget. Dodgers and Yankees are still on top." (Matt, 09:53)

• Side anecdote: Juan Soto “doesn’t talk to his teammates,” fueling banter about chemistry.

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4. Sunday Headlines: Quirky, Touching, and Viral Sports Stories

[13:12–21:44]

a. Derby Medical Miracle via Failed NFL Kick

• Trainer Mark Toothaker claims a seizure (leading to brain tumor discovery) was caused by laughing at Younghoe Koo’s missed field goal.
• Matt and Myron riff on the weirdness of inviting the kicker as a life-saver.

  "Imagine if you asked...hey Bill Buckner, I had a heart attack at you dropping the ball." (Myron, 15:26)

b. Carolina Hurricanes’ “Beer Skate” Makes a Splash

• New stadium product: a vessel shaped like a hockey skate, holding 28 oz of beer, wildly popular.
• Australian “shoey” tradition compared. Myron: "It's a cool idea...hockey, minor league baseball can do a lot of that quirky stuff." (Myron, 17:28/Matt 17:39)

c. Malik Willis’ Legendary First Pitch Fail

• QB’s ceremonial pitch at Marlins game becomes a viral disaster.

  "Normally when you see bad throws, it's people throwing it short...He threw it longer than I've ever seen anyone throw it." (Myron, 18:30)

• Matt: "If you're his agent, you tell him he can't do it. It's just too easy to become a meme." (Matt, 18:49)

d. Sixers’ Joel Embiid Pleads, "Don’t Sell Playoff Tickets to Knicks Fans"

• Notable quote:

  "Last time we played the Knicks, it felt like this was Madison Square Garden East. So we gonna need the support, you know, don't sell your tickets. I think he went on to say, if you need money, I've got money." (Myron, 20:33)

• Matt is practical: "For the right price, knowing that Knicks fans will overpay...I would sell them." (Matt, 21:32)

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5. NBA Playoffs: Knicks Likability, Celtics Collapse, and "Enemy of the State"

[23:20–32:45] | Guest: Evan Cohen

• Joel Embiid’s underdog narrative: “They became America's sweetheart. I do think the Embiid story was amazing in this series.” (Evan, 28:12)
• Discussion of whether these Knicks are hateable—consensus is they're mostly likable due to Brunson & cast.
• Celtics’ coaching pressure and Joe Mazzulla’s job security debated.

  "If they get rid of him, he will be scooped up in one second." (Evan, 29:30)

"Enemy of the State" Movie Tangent

• Matt unexpectedly declares it a favorite, to Myron’s amazement.

  “Wait a second, your favorite movie is Enemy of the State?” (Myron, 29:55)

• The cast is cited like a deep sports team.

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6. Comedic Wrestling & The "Danhausen" Debate

[32:50–34:48]

• Myron admits preference for serious wrestling; Evan and Matt profess love for Danhausen.

  "He is, in a way, making fun of what he's doing simultaneously. It’s almost Colbert in self-capacity." (Evan, 34:15)

• Myron, self-deprecating: "Matt Jones makes fun of sports talk radio. That's why he likes sports talk radio host." (Myron, 34:42)

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7. On-Air Banter: Inclusion & "Likability" in Broadcasting

[24:01–26:25; 35:19–36:32]

• Matt jabs about not being invited on Evan's show, prompting a playful, winding dispute about inclusion in network shows.

  “I just want it to be noted that, like, I try to be part of the team...But I never get asked to be on any of these other shows.” (Matt, 35:34)

• Myron shrugs it off as likability:

  "A lot of my career is likability and I don't know, the best ability is likability." (Matt, 36:05)

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8. Game-Changer: Amazon–Duke Global NIL Deal

[37:23–44:13]

• Duke and Amazon broker a partnership to broadcast three global Duke men’s basketball games, with Amazon paying NIL money to the players for promotions.

  “This is a revolutionary for college sports decision." (Matt, 38:47)

• Matt: "Makes you wonder if there's a future where players are directly involved in TV deals—are we headed to that place?" (Matt, 39:51)

• Myron highlights the business leap—the market is now “global” for valuation, meaning players can command greater payment, sidestepping small-market NIL issues.

• Matt: "Everyone's spending more and they're finding creative ways to get around the rules...I think the players are going to demand a seat at the table." (Matt, 41:13)

• On non-Duke teams joining in: "Aren't they almost acknowledging...we're not Duke?" (Myron, 42:48)

• Matt: "But you gotta play somebody. The reach of this, you can't put a price tag on." (Matt, 43:16)

• Consensus: This deal could set the framework for college athletes to be players in future media contracts—potential “record-breaking numbers for a regular season game.” (Myron, 43:59)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Nobody wants robot umps, man. Only you.” (Matt, 08:44)
• "I would not watch baseball if you got robot umpires replacing the real umpires, I would not watch the sport." (Matt, 06:58)
• “I've just here trying to touch people's lives, trying to change lives.” (Matt, 15:14, joking about Younghoe Koo being asked to the Derby)
• “It's a cool idea. Hockey, minor league baseball—they can do a lot of that quirky stuff. It fits the culture.” (Matt, 17:39)
• "It's just too easy to become a meme." (Matt, 18:49, on Malik Willis' pitch)
• "The goal of a game is not to figure out which umpire is better." (Myron, 04:25)
• “Matt Jones makes fun of sports talk radio. That's why he likes sports talk radio host.” (Myron, 34:42)

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Timestamps for Notable Segments

• Baseball / Umpire Tech Debate: [02:15–08:57]
• Mets, MLB Payrolls: [09:36–10:30]
• Younghoe Koo + Medical Miracle: [13:12–15:44]
• Carolina Hurricanes’ Beer Skate: [16:18–17:46]
• Malik Willis First Pitch Meme: [17:57–20:08]
• Joel Embiid’s Ticket Plea: [20:20–21:44]
• NBA Playoff/NBA/Narratives with Evan Cohen: [23:20–32:45]
• Danhausen / Comedy Wrestling Chat: [32:50–34:48]
• Broadcaster Likability Banter: [35:19–36:32]
• Amazon & Duke NIL Deal Segment: [37:23–44:13]

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Tone & Style

Spirited, witty, and deeply knowledgeable, with the camaraderie and clash you’d expect from seasoned radio pros. The show’s easy banter weaves from serious industry topics to pop-culture asides and personal jabs—making for engaging, accessible listening.

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For Listeners

If you missed the episode, you’ll get a full picture here—from heated debates on robot umpires and the future of sports officiating, to observations on quirky hockey promotions and the seismic shift that is player-centered broadcasting deals. Expect laughs, insights, pop culture digressions, and a running meta-commentary on sports talk itself.

Transcript

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[Matt Jones]

This is Matt and Myon, the podcast.

[Myron Medcalf]

As all the great hip hop stars have said, I don't know, I just flow. It's Matt Jones Admire Metcalfe here on ESPN Radio. We're presented by Progressive Insurance. Progressive can help you protect your home, auto, boat, motorcycle, atv, RV and more. And if something wasn't mentioned, you had in mind, find out if you can have it [e-mail] 1-800-Progressive because it probably can be. We enjoyed that first hour with the duos that fight and the horse racing, the Derby. By the way, this morning, all the horses in the Derby, only one has said they're considering the Preakness, and that is the winner, Golden Tempo. That's one of the things they got to move the Preakness back, Myron, so that everybody, so the horses will do all of them for the Triple Crown. It's that they, they don't do it and it hurts the sport.

[Matt Jones]

But I mean, you know, you talk about people not paying attention. I felt like the Kentucky Derby when I was growing up felt like it was just the first step of the Triple Crown, and everybody knew that. Now it feels like it's the horse super bowl and it's like its own thing. What's changed that now, tonight?

[Myron Medcalf]

Well, it's changed. The horses are trained differently now, and so they're not trained to run as often. So that's why they skip the Preakness. Except the winner. The winner will usually go, but that means the field in the Preakness is always terrible. And so they've got to fix it. I think they're going to fix it. What they need to do, Myron, is Derby's the first Saturday of May.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Myron Medcalf]

Preakness is Memorial Day, Belmont's Fourth of July. That's what they need to do.

[Matt Jones]

Why won't they do that? I mean, will they do that because of tradition?

[Myron Medcalf]

It's like all sports, they screw up because they try to adhere to a tradition that is no longer. No longer applicable. So let's use our topic here that we're talking about baseball forever. Baseball has been resistant to challenges and to challenging pitches because of the history of, you know, well, umpires. It's part of the game. And now this year, Myron, they add the abs, The To. To. To the thing where. Where pitchers can, you know, two pitches a game for each team can be challenged. And I think it's been not only an addition to accuracy in the game, it's been electric because crowds get into it. That few seconds where you pause to wait and see the screen, everybody's, like, holding their breath. And Myron, I think just like with the pitch clock, it's a change that was made for traditional, that the moment it happened, I think almost everybody's in favor of.

[Matt Jones]

Well, maybe except the umpires. Right.

[Myron Medcalf]

Well, the, uh, can get over it. That means umpires as a group have been some of the most arrogant folks in history, and now they've gotten shown up. I think it's fine.

[Matt Jones]

I'm fine with the challenges. I think it is a good thing for the sport. I don't want to get to a place where we're doing robot umpires, though. I mean, I think that's my fear is you don't want to get so involved in this first.

[Myron Medcalf]

I kind of agree with you, but why would that be the worst thing in the world?

[Matt Jones]

Oh, we can't. It won't. It's not sports anymore.

[Evan Cohen]

Why?

[Matt Jones]

It's a video game. It's a video game. You take away the human element of sports, and we have.

[Myron Medcalf]

But why do you want the human element to be mistakes?

[Matt Jones]

It's not all mistakes.

[Myron Medcalf]

I mean, but the only thing that. The only thing. If you went to robot umpires, when you say you're losing the human element, all you're losing is when they screw up.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And here's the thing. To be at that level, all those umpires are great. Right. To get to that point, to be a major league baseball, you. You have to be great to reach that. So I don't want to take anything away from them, but I think human error is a part of sports.

[Myron Medcalf]

If we go robots, human error to be a part of sports in the.

[Matt Jones]

Give me a pitching machine, too, then. Then give me a pitching machine. It's not different, though.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yes, it is. The goal of a game is to figure out which team is better. The goal of a game is not to figure out which umpire is better? That's a date that. The umpires do not play a crucial role in the game. The players do.

[Matt Jones]

If you. First off, umpires aren't just calling balls and strikes. They're police in the game. They're making sure the game is under control.

[Myron Medcalf]

So you have somebody to do that, but you. They don't have to call balls and strikes.

[Matt Jones]

So their roles bigger than that. I think once you go there, there's no stopping it. Give me a pitching machine then. Why not?

[Myron Medcalf]

But that's what people said about just

[Matt Jones]

give a pitching machine program, a machine that can throw curveballs and sliders and all that and just do that.

[Myron Medcalf]

All right. That's. That's ridiculous, though, because again, remember, the goal of baseball is to see two human beings or two teams play each other and see which one's better. The goal is not to decide who's

[Matt Jones]

the best umpire, but the umpire plays a role at officiating the game. I'm fine with if you want to call it a checks and balances system where you can challenge some calls, I think that's good for the game. I'm fine with that. But if you tell me you go to robot umpires, that's no longer baseball.

[Myron Medcalf]

You just. Are you scared of robots?

[Matt Jones]

It's not that I'm scared of robots. I don't think people understand the danger of what happens if we introduce something like that and it's fully automated.

[Myron Medcalf]

You think it will be dangerous if we have automated balls and strikes?

[Matt Jones]

Like, why not pitch? You say pitching machines are ridiculous. Why not?

[Myron Medcalf]

What.

[Matt Jones]

What's stopping us from going there?

[Myron Medcalf]

Machine is playing the game. The umpire is not playing the game.

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[Matt Jones]

But to me, if you eliminate umpires

[Myron Medcalf]

entirely, what about tennis? Tennis has them. Has tennis. Has tennis been ruined?

[Matt Jones]

Tennis doesn't have completely robot.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yes, they do. All lines calls. All lines calls can be. Are challenged in tennis.

[Matt Jones]

But there's still a human being there.

[Myron Medcalf]

There's a human being sit. Have a human being like in tennis, just sit back there and watch. But in tennis, every call is. Is. Is on the line machine. Why can't that be true in baseball?

[Matt Jones]

I think, especially with the team sport, I think you lose the human element. You're not playing the sport anymore. It's just not.

[Myron Medcalf]

So do you think tennis has no human element?

[Matt Jones]

I think tennis is more complicated. Right. In terms of what you're talking about. And there's still a human being there. You're saying a fully robotic system where

[Myron Medcalf]

the umpires are gone, one umpire that manages the game but balls and strikes are all automated. I don't want any strike zone that way.

[Matt Jones]

I wouldn't watch.

[Myron Medcalf]

Zone is consistent.

[Matt Jones]

I wouldn't watch.

[Myron Medcalf]

Watch it. You're telling not Myron. That's the most ridiculous.

[Matt Jones]

I wouldn't watch the sport of that if what you just described happened. I would watch.

[Myron Medcalf]

There was no umpire. You just would turn the game completely.

[Matt Jones]

I would stop. I would not watch baseball. If you got robot umpires replacing the real umpires, I would not watch the sport. And I bet. I bet the majority of baseball fans.

[Myron Medcalf]

Ridiculous.

[Matt Jones]

Because you.

[Myron Medcalf]

Because.

[Matt Jones]

No, I'm telling you. I think a lot of baseball fans would tune out, too.

[Myron Medcalf]

What you think baseball fans watch the game for the umpire?

[Matt Jones]

I think the human element and just the.

[Myron Medcalf]

The.

[Matt Jones]

That element of it is important in the game. It's not all mistakes.

[Myron Medcalf]

People are so excited about the ABS now, like I was at a Reds game last week. And at the Reds, if you get 11 strikeouts. If the Reds get 11 strikeouts, you get free pizza. James. It's a very exciting moment when you get the free pizza. People count down to it. There were 10 strikeouts. Last batter of the game, they throw a strike. It's called a ball. They go to abs. It's a strike. The stadium goes crazy because the Reds win the game and it's free pizza. And it was electric. It was one of the best moments for ABs of the season. Do you. Do you not. You don't think that should happen?

[Matt Jones]

You're talking about ABS versus a robot system. Those are two completely different things. Abs. Why fans enjoy it is because you can't do it all the time. They enjoy the idea that some calls that are crucial calls can be challenged. I'm 100% in favor of that. What you're describing is a completely different system that I think baseball fans would widely reject. I'm telling you, I would not watch the sport if I turned it on. And there was a robot system with calling balls.

[Myron Medcalf]

Are you head of the umpires union?

[Matt Jones]

No, I just think the human element means something. That's part of sports, the mistakes and all.

[Myron Medcalf]

You're the first person I've ever heard have this passionate approach.

[Matt Jones]

Nobody wants robot arms, man. Only you. Nobody wants robot arms. Nobody.

[Myron Medcalf]

Nobody fully. There's not one person that wants them.

[Matt Jones]

Baseball fan. The sports viewership numbers will go down dramatically if they did that. I guarantee it.

[Evan Cohen]

Wow.

[Myron Medcalf]

What is. What a comment. Well, I tell you what we could have used. It was my Reds yesterday who tied a major league record as they walked seven straight batters. The Pirates had five runs in an inning against the Reds and got no hits in the inning, which is a pretty amazing thing if you think about it. Seven straight walks. The Pirates crowd was actually mock cheering the Reds pitchers when they would throw a strike, which Myron has to be embarrassing when you're trying to play and the other crowd is cheering for you to have some success.

[Matt Jones]

It's not, it's not good. It's not good.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah, but the Pittsburgh gets the win. Now, we were talking about baseball headlines. What do you think about the fact that both that the Phillies, Mets and Red Sox have three of the seven highest payrolls in baseball and are all in last place, two of which have fired their managers.

[Matt Jones]

It's surprising, you know, it's shocking. But it doesn't change the challenge though for small market teams. My concern is people are going to use this and say, see, you don't have to have a big time budget to win at the highest levels. Long term you do because you still got the Dodgers and Yankees on top as well. So I think it's more of an anomaly in an exception to the rule than the rule itself.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah, I agree with that. But I will say it's fascinating that these teams have blown their payrolls like they have. Yeah, especially. Especially the Mets. Yeah, the Mets have the, the Met. The Mets have the highest payroll in baseball and the worst record.

[Matt Jones]

That's.

[Myron Medcalf]

I mean, that you almost aren't have to try to be that bad.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, they're bad. Yeah. And you know, that's why so many people are making fun of them to be in that position. You see Juan Soto, he was asked like, hey, do you talk to your teammates a couple of weeks ago?

[Myron Medcalf]

And he said no.

[Matt Jones]

He was like, no, why would I talk to these guys?

[Myron Medcalf]

I mean, that's an amazing. Maybe we should have done that. And our duos don't like each other. Juan Soto.

[Matt Jones]

Juan Soto and everybody else roster.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah, exactly. Well, if you, if you ever, if you listening out there on umpire, just know Myron always has your back. Because Myron will stop watching sports if we get rid of umpires. We will deal more with headlines all across the world of sports. That's next here on Matt and Myron.

[Matt Jones]

Matt and Myron. The pod.

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[Myron Medcalf]

You're not putting Sonny and Cher on here because they don't like each other, are you?

[Evan Cohen]

Famous duos in general?

[Myron Medcalf]

Okay, because they did get divorced. But I think it was kept performing all right.

[Matt Jones]

Or maybe not for a little while

[Myron Medcalf]

and then they stopped. But this is a great song. I always think of Beavis and Butthead when I hear the song. It's Matt Myron on ESPN Radio presented by Progressive Insurance. You know, it's not just the main stories. It's not just the NBA playoffs, not just the derby. There's other things going on and that's why we have headlines. Extra, extra. Read all models

[Matt Jones]

the Sunday headlines.

[Myron Medcalf]

Let's get started. What's up first?

[Sports News Reporter]

All right, first, let's start with a little bit of a Kentucky Derby story. Mark Toothaker is a thoroughbred trainer for Spendthrift Farms who was there to cheer on Further ado yesterday at the Kentucky Derby. But in an interview with the ap, Toothaker said that he was watching the Giants on Monday Night Football in December when a whiff kick from Young Hui Ku made him laugh so hard he had a seizure. His wife called an ambulance. They took him to the hospital and a CT scan later revealed that he had a tennis ball sized brain tumor on his brain. So he laughed so hard at Young Huay Koo's completely whiffed kick that he had a seizure and that led to them finding that he had a tumor on his brain.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah, a crazy story. First of all, I mean, I guess it's good. I watched the thing on the Derby yesterday about this where he goes. I invited Young Way Coo to the derby to thank him for saving my life, but he hasn't gotten back to me, which. Yeah, I guess. I mean, like, I guess I understand if you're Young Waiku. Like, you want me to come to the derby because I missed a kick so bad it made you have a seizure. That's a really weird thing to come to the derby for, but I'm glad the guy's alive. But. But he seemed kind of sad that Young Wake who wouldn't come to the derby. And I kind of understand, Myron, why he didn't.

[Matt Jones]

A little awkward right now. Maybe if. If they had connected before the derby. Like, if they had had a, you know, hey, man, we hung out and. But like, the first time meeting you come to the derby and I can tell this story.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah, I mean, like, let's say he was there.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Myron Medcalf]

He would have brought Young Way Coo out on the screen and said, this dude was so bad kicking that I laughed at him so hard that I had a seizure and found a brain tumor. And what's Young Weku supposed to say? Like, you're welcome.

[Matt Jones]

You know what, man, I. That's always the goal, right? That's the dream, man. I've been.

[Myron Medcalf]

I'm just here trying to touch people's

[Matt Jones]

lives, trying to change lives. Like, yeah, it put Young Way Cool in the. Because it's a bad. Because he said no. So it's still kind of a bad look for him. But I think we all understand.

[Myron Medcalf]

I'm not gonna feel bad. I mean, Young Way Coo should not have gone. Yeah, it would have been a. Like, imagine if you had asked in 1987, hey, Bill Buckner, you know, if. If the. If Ferdinand the horse was like, hey, Bill Buckner, we laughed so hard. I had a heart attack at you dropping the ball. Like, I. I don't know.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I get it.

[Myron Medcalf]

I get it. I get it, too. What's next?

[Sports News Reporter]

All right, let's go to your Carolina Hurricanes, who won game one of their second round series against the Flyers yesterday, three to nothing. We've gone through all the things. They haven't trailed for one singular second in the entire playoffs. They haven't lost in the playoffs, obviously, yet they're five and, oh, they swept Senators in the first round. But the biggest thing coming out of yesterday's game is the Hurricanes introduced the beer skate, which is a vessel where you can drink beer out of it. It looks like a skate. And I guess it was pretty popular yesterday.

[Myron Medcalf]

It's the Size of a skate, like a ice skate and you can fill it with beer. It has the Hurricanes logo on it. Apparently it's like 28 ounces. So you got a wal if you want to have all of that. Did you see and do you like the beer skate?

[Matt Jones]

I saw it. I think it's interesting. It reminds me, you know, in Australia they do shoes, so I thought that's where they were taking it from.

[Myron Medcalf]

I've said, I've had. I have a friend who's Australian who punted at the University of Kentucky and they do that. Like he would do it in bars, like take his shoe off and drink out of it.

[Matt Jones]

That feels like a good way to contract something that's not curable. I feel like just taking somebody's random

[Myron Medcalf]

shoe, but tetanus or something.

[Matt Jones]

Like something, man. But no, that's. It's a cool idea. I just, you know. Is everybody going to do it now? Is now this going to become a thing across?

[Myron Medcalf]

Well, I don't think. I think you're. I think whoever's first is the one that gets to do it. So I don't think anybody else can do a skate because the Carolina Hurricanes have done a skate. But it was very, very cool. Do you like this sort of innovation, you know, in Tampa Bay, the lightning? They have a lightning bolt filled with beer. In other places they try to make it to what their logo is. Do you like that?

[Matt Jones]

I like it. For the marketing team, you know, it's a good idea, I think. I think like hockey, minor league baseball can do a lot of that quirky stuff. Like it just kind of fits the culture of those sports.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah, it's a lot of beer though. 28 ounces is a whole lot of beer. But they sold out of them, I think during the first game. What's next?

[Sports News Reporter]

I really want one of those. So if anyone knows, anyone who can get me a beer skate, I'd love one.

[Myron Medcalf]

I'm the one that's actually a Hurricanes fan. I should be the one to get one. Okay. All right, but go ahead.

[Sports News Reporter]

So Malik Willis, new quarterback of the Miami Dolphins in free agency. He threw out the first pitch at the Marlins game yesterday. The Marlins lost 6 to 5 to the Phillies. But the first pitch from Malik Willis, not good.

[Myron Medcalf]

He threw it.

[Sports News Reporter]

It sailed over the catcher's head. It hit the backstop on a post.

[Evan Cohen]

He.

[Sports News Reporter]

He wrote. Malik Willis wrote I slipped.

[Myron Medcalf]

Did you see? Yeah. First of all, he didn't throw it over the catcher's head. He threw it behind a right handed batter. Like he that.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Myron Medcalf]

You know, normally when you see bad throws, it's people throwing it short or into that. He threw it. He threw it longer than I've ever seen anyone throw it. And he's supposed to be a quarterback. That's what I think makes this one worse. Like it's one thing when John Wall does it or Mariah Carey, but this dude's supposed to be a quarterback. Myers.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, you, if you're his agent, you tell him he can't do it. Like, it's just too easy to become a meme in that situation. Like one of the things, if you're Malik Willis, you, you have to tell him don't do anything meme worthy before the season. And now every time he has a bad game, this is going to be the mean people use. I just, I wouldn't let him do it because of what happened yesterday.

[Myron Medcalf]

I don't understand. We've said this before on this show, Martin. I don't understand how these people can't do this, why they do so bad. I mean, if you've never picked up a ball, okay, fine, like if it's Sabrina Carpenter, Mariah Carey, whatever, you've never picked up a ball.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Myron Medcalf]

But when you're an athlete, how do athletes do this so poorly? I still don't understand how John Walls was so bad. Barack Obama was played sports.

[Matt Jones]

How's.

[Myron Medcalf]

How was his so bad and how is it so like if you've have these, you have to have thrown a baseball in your life, right?

[Matt Jones]

Yes, but I don't think people understand how far you are from home plate. Like, I think part of it is you get out there and you realize how far it is and guys just put all of their strength into it and that's when things go left and right. It really just makes you appreciate pitchers more than anything. I think the distance is farther than people.

[Myron Medcalf]

I'm not saying I would throw it down the middle, but I would not throw it where John Wall or Malik Willis threw it.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, they're throwing it hard. And that's the problem.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah, don't throw it hard. Just don't embarrass yourself. It's the only goal. Don't embarrass yourself. And then they do it. What's next?

[Sports News Reporter]

So we talked about a little bit earlier, Sixers, Joel Bead upset the Celtics in game seven to reach the second round of the playoffs. And afterwards and be had some advice to six fans.

[Myron Medcalf]

I just have a message for our fans. Last time we played the Knicks, it felt like, felt like this was Madison Square Garden East. So we gonna need the support, you know, don't sell your tickets. Yeah, I think he went on to say. I think he went on to say, if you need money, I've got money. I don't know if he was, was he offering to buy all of the tickets in the, in the arena? What do you think about begging your fans to come to a home playoff game?

[Matt Jones]

I get it. I mean, you don't want it to feel like it's a Knicks home game at the same time. I mean, for the right price, knowing that Knicks fans will overpay, a bunch of those seats are going to go to them. You know what I mean? Like, I get why you would sell them.

[Myron Medcalf]

Well, it was bad last year. I mean, it sounded like the Garden. Will the Philly fans though heed his call and show up?

[Matt Jones]

Not a people are paying the right price. I wouldn't. You got these seats. I don't care.

[Myron Medcalf]

You would sell your own team's playoff

[Matt Jones]

games front row for the right price. I don't care.

[Myron Medcalf]

Do you try to get embiid to buy them?

[Matt Jones]

Listen, I'm just saying everybody has a price for the right price. Yeah, you can have the seats.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah. Somebody's gonna call Joel and say where are, where's my money? Sunday headlines brought to you by PayPal, the official peer to peer payment sponsor of the NFL. Evan Cohen joins us next.

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[Myron Medcalf]

It's Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio. You know if you have one of Those smart speaker things, you can just look at it and go, hey, play ESPN Radio. And it will. Which is nice of it. We are. Sunday morning. We've got. Joining us now, Evan Cohen. He hosts the Daily Morning show unsportsmanlike 6 to 10 on ESPN radio. Myron often works with him. I would like to say I do, but, Evan, you've never asked me to be on the show, and that continues to be an issue. All of the various shows on espn, Myron fills in on all of them. No one ever asked me to be on any of them. And I have to say that it hurts my feelings.

[Evan Cohen]

Well, I love how the moment you bring this up, Myron in the background, he's like the old school 1970s R&B singer just moaning, oh, boy. That's right.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah.

[Evan Cohen]

Like, he's just like, oh, boy. Like, Myron has become like, oh, God. Smart move. Smart move. Father first, of course, Myron Macintosh. Smart move. Just stay in the background.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yes, but you're also not going in trouble, Evan. You're also not answering the question, how come I never get to be on the morning show?

[Evan Cohen]

Let me say it very clearly. Yeah, I would love to host with Matt Jones.

[Myron Medcalf]

There you go. So now we're up to two people in the company that can say that. Myron Mincast, by the way.

[Evan Cohen]

Wait a second.

[Myron Medcalf]

Let me ask you a question.

[Evan Cohen]

Yes, let me ask you a question, Myron. Have you ever missed this show ever in your life?

[Myron Medcalf]

He misses it all the time.

[Matt Jones]

Missed it for, like, just.

[Evan Cohen]

Okay.

[Myron Medcalf]

Not doing it.

[Matt Jones]

I didn't feel it.

[Evan Cohen]

Been absent.

[Matt Jones]

No, no, no. Not unexcused. No way.

[Evan Cohen]

No, I'm saying at any point. Meaning, Matt, you have never asked me to fill in with you.

[Myron Medcalf]

Oh, now, wait a minute. You're. You're a big star. That's like that. That's like somebody who hosts a podcast asking Charles Barkley to come on their podcast. I don't feel obliged. I'm just saying to you, I work at espn. You are on the preeminent. You are on the preeminent show. It is Evan Cohen, Michelle and Chris Canty. And I would love the chance to come to the big leagues now. Probably say no if you ask, but I would like to be. I would like to be. That's all I'm saying.

[Evan Cohen]

That's the move. But okay, so here's where. And Myron knows this. Here's where Matt is wrong. April 12 between 4:00pm and 6:00pm, 6:30pm that was a Sunday afternoon when I was on the air with Jonathan Zaslow. On. On ESPN Radio. I posted many times.

[Matt Jones]

No, Evan does. He does weekends. He will.

[Evan Cohen]

Okay? So here.

[Myron Medcalf]

Just for the record, Just for the record, Evan, hang on just a second. I'm not letting you flip this on me. You're not my wife. Okay? When I say you've never asked me on the show, you don't get to say. You don't get to say you've never asked me.

[Matt Jones]

I just. Let me just say, Evan, I'm excited about hosting unsportsman Live Thursday and Friday. Thursday, Friday. Just think.

[Myron Medcalf]

And by the way, it's funny I didn't get the invite, but I wish you all the best. I on Thursday and Friday will be eating at Dairy Queen while you all are doing the show. All right? So Evan, you might have a problem

[Matt Jones]

if you eat it like 7am at Dairy Queen.

[Myron Medcalf]

They got good breakfast.

[Evan Cohen]

You know what that just reminded me of? Did you ever see the. The Bert Kreischer clip with. Was it a comedian that he does a podcast with them now? I'm just forgetting.

[Myron Medcalf]

Where they realize Tom Segura.

[Evan Cohen]

Yes. Tom Segura. Who's. Yeah. Where they realize Bert Kreischer would start his day with like a full 2 liter bottle of like high C or Fruit boundary. Whatever. It was Kool Aid.

[Matt Jones]

It was Kool Aid.

[Evan Cohen]

Kool Aid. Thank you. Where they realized it. And now Myron and I realize Matt Jones starts his day with Dairy Queen.

[Myron Medcalf]

You eat. Actually, I don't. I don't start with Dairy Queen. I do eat. I do eat a sausage McMuffin and a large Diet Coke. And it is very healthy. Now let's. Speaking of healthy, not a lot of days you. You're a big. You're a big NBA nerd. You like to watch all the games and you know all that's going on last night, the Cell, the Sixers beating the Celtics has to be one of the few times Joel Embiid has ever been a career like, you know, nation sweetheart. Everyone had wanted to see the Celtics lose. How big of a loss is that for Boston?

[Evan Cohen]

Yeah. So I think what's interesting, you just hit on something, Matt, is Joel Embiid now somehow the underdog story which only yesterday possible.

[Myron Medcalf]

Only yesterday though I don't think it extends to other series.

[Evan Cohen]

Yeah, but a lot of people are going to hate the Knicks, aren't they? Like outside of the outset of New York.

[Matt Jones]

I like.

[Myron Medcalf]

I don't know. I don't think these Knicks. Evan. I don't think these Knicks are very hateable. I think Brunson and Cat, I think people kind of like them, right?

[Evan Cohen]

Well, I agree in theory. These Knicks are a likable group. The actual jersey, the name on the jersey, and New Yorkers in general, and I'm one of them, will be hated on. And I am someone that is hated on parts of this Knicks team because I do not like one way players. And it's a sport where we say, like, oh, that guy's a great two way player. Which is redundant because if you're a basketball player, you're supposed to play offense and defense. But to your original point about the Sixers, yet last night and in this previous series, because everyone was kind of sick of all the Boston love. Yeah. They became America's sweetheart. And I do think the Embiid story was amazing in this series. What's sad, guys, is can you trust the concept of him being healthy for an entire series now moving forward? Because there is no one in the world that has more had more fluke injuries and illnesses than Joel Embiid Appendicitis.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, Evan, Joe Missoula is a leader of a team that has spent a ton of money to win. Now, you know, there are no windows in sports and he's in a city that expects to win every time. Are we one more early exit away from Joe Mazilla maybe having to think about his future because of the pressure in that city and how much they expect to win?

[Evan Cohen]

I mean, if they, if they get rid of him, he will be scooped up in one second.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, after next year. I mean, not now, but like next

[Myron Medcalf]

year if they're out early again, something last night.

[Evan Cohen]

I always reference a terrible movie in some people's eyes, but I loved it. The movie Enemy of the State.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, it's my favorite movie. I've got. Yeah, I purchased that movie.

[Myron Medcalf]

Hang on to say your favorite movie of all time, Iron is own the movie State.

[Matt Jones]

I own it. Yeah. One of my favorite movies, definitely.

[Myron Medcalf]

Well, maybe you should be hosting. Maybe you should be hosting on the morning show instead of me. You two could talk about Enemy. Matt, wait a second.

[Evan Cohen]

Matt, look. Look at the cast of that movie.

[Matt Jones]

It's incredible.

[Evan Cohen]

So deep. You would think it's like the 86 giants coaching staff or like the old Hayden Fry Iowa staff.

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Evan Cohen]

It's such a deep cast. And you're like, wait, like Anna Gunn from Breaking Bad randomly in the movie as John Boyd's wife? You're like, I didn't even realize that.

[Matt Jones]

Lisa Bonet, Regina, like so many.

[Myron Medcalf]

I mean, first you. First of all, you've yet to say a star. Lisa Bonet and Anna Gunn is your deep cast. Okay.

[Evan Cohen]

The whole point of the comparison with Missoula is at the end of the movie, there's a scene with Gene Hackman star, Will Smith star, where Gene Hackman says to Will Smith, you're either incredibly smart or incredibly stupid.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Evan Cohen]

And when you start a starting lineup that never played one minute together last night, if you're Joe Missoula, you're either incredibly smart or incredibly stupid. And it comes off last night that he's incredibly stupid.

[Myron Medcalf]

Joe Missoula, last night. I have to admit, I hadn't looked at him in a while. He has aged a lot in the last year in terms of. It feels like this team, and I guess, and they've did an amazing job during the season, but it did look like it kind of. It kind of wore on him. And it gets me to a point we made earlier, which is there's like three teams in the East. The Celtics, who you could say had a really amazing regular season, and. And then a terrible ending. The Hawks, who had a really great run and then collapsed and lost by 60. And then the Magic today, who you could say nearly pulled off an amazing upset. But if they lose today, it will feel bad. I don't know what to think about these teams that have a lot to be proud of but then just completely fall apart. Evan, at the end.

[Evan Cohen]

Well, Matt, I think what we have a chance of having happen here is before the season started, when we knew Tatum was out and we knew Halliburton was out, we went to that place of. Is this the year that the Knicks and the Cavs meet in the conference finals as they've both been hovering for years? I think we may get there. Obviously, the Cavs beat the Raptors today, and the fact that there is a game seven is a knock on the Cavs, but I don't. I don't rule out the idea of the original thought once the injuries happened, happened being the end result. Knicks Cavs in the Eastern Conference finals.

[Matt Jones]

Evan, can you believe this man? Disrespected a movie that had this cast. Will Smith, Gene Hackman, John Voight, Regina King. Jack Black has a role in that movie.

[Myron Medcalf]

Jack Black's in it. Well, there you go. It must be great.

[Matt Jones]

Made stars that movie. What are you talking about?

[Evan Cohen]

I think is in that movie.

[Myron Medcalf]

You all okay. Like I said.

[Evan Cohen]

And wait, you know who's in that movie? I think B. Rad Kenny. What's his name? James or Kennedy. What's his name?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Jamie Kennedy. Jamie Kennedy. Yeah, Jamie Kennedy's in that movie.

[Myron Medcalf]

What a. What a rock star group of stars. Let me, let's finish with this, Evan. One thing you and I do share, even though we don't share the air during the morning show, since you never asked me, but one of the things we do share is affinity for wrestling. And I am a huge fan of the new guy who actually wrestled many years ago with us in OVW Dan housing and oh boy, I love Danhausen. Myron hates him. Myron thinks that they shouldn't have any comedy in wrestling. Are you pro or anti Danhausen?

[Evan Cohen]

I literally have walked around my house last night or walked around my house last night with my 12 year old son just randomly screaming out at backlash because James Steele sent me a video, great producer of the promo he did for the WWE Backlash on the ESPN app on May 9 at a Tampa and I couldn't stop laughing. I think he's brilliantly funny and I don't care if he ever gets in the ring. I didn't know you had him back in the. Was he this funny when you got.

[Myron Medcalf]

No, he just like back then he would just pass through like, like, you know, we, when you're, when you have independent wrestling, they'll come and they'll come for a night or for a week and he was there and you know, I thought he was funny, but I mean he just looked like a little guy with makeup on. I would have never thought you would end up in a situation where it was like this.

[Matt Jones]

What makes him good, Evan? Like we usually love like what, what, what do you like about him? I don't get it. Like, I don't get the whole thing

[Evan Cohen]

because he is, he is in a way making fun of what he's doing simultaneously.

[Myron Medcalf]

It's like, it's like the self aware almost.

[Evan Cohen]

Yeah, it's almost Colbert back in the day, right in south capacity. Right. It's like he's. You're making fun of yourself while being yourself and you're making fun of the industry you're in while actually being in that. It's Matt Jones actually.

[Myron Medcalf]

Matt Jones makes fun of sports talk radio. That's why he likes sports talk radio host.

[Matt Jones]

That's why he likes.

[Sports News Reporter]

Yeah.

[Myron Medcalf]

I mean sports talk radio is in general not good. But I try to enjoy and make this product fun and you're exactly. Evan. I appreciate you seeing that. That's the kind of insight that I think makes it to where you're on Monday through Fridays from 6 to 10am on ESPN radio on Unsportsmanlike Myron will be there this week. I will never be there, but I hope you all enjoy your week together. And Evan, it's always a pleasure.

[Evan Cohen]

Thank you. Matt and Myron, talk to you on the air Thursday.

[Matt Jones]

I'll see you soon.

[Myron Medcalf]

Talk to him on the air. You won't be talking to me on this.

[Matt Jones]

I'll see you soon because, oh, man, they will run out of ideas by the 4th of July with him, by the way.

[Myron Medcalf]

I'm not, I'm not complaining. You don't have.

[Matt Jones]

Sounds like a little bit.

[Myron Medcalf]

But I just, I just want it to be noted that, like, I try to be part of the team.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Myron Medcalf]

I want, I'm learning everyone's name, something I did for a long time.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Myron Medcalf]

But I never get asked to be on any of these other shows.

[Matt Jones]

What's your definition of complaint? Just so I know going forward, so I can, I'm just, I'm just, I'm

[Myron Medcalf]

just laughing at the fact that like, Myron hosts every show.

[Matt Jones]

Let me just say something. And I'm not, I don't want to get into this. I don't want to make this a segment. And I've told you this privately as well. I don't know how to teach my likability factor.

[Myron Medcalf]

I don't.

[Matt Jones]

And it's not something I'm bragging about. I'm not arrogant about it. It's not. I'm don't. It's just something that happened to me and I don't know what to do about it. But like, so you're saying, like, I'm

[Myron Medcalf]

just not as likable.

[Matt Jones]

I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying a lot of my career is likability and I don't know,

[Myron Medcalf]

the best ability is like a business

[Matt Jones]

100 for me, 100%. It gets you in rooms. So.

[Myron Medcalf]

Well, enjoy it. So Thursday and Friday he will be on Unsportsmanlike with with Evan Cohen, Duke, Duke basketball. You probably are aware of it. I think they did something that's going to change the way college sports works and will have impact on all college sports. And I'm going to tell you what that is. That's next here on Matt Matt and Myron the podcast.

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[Myron Medcalf]

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[Matt Jones]

It feels like the next step and where we're headed for nil. To me it makes you wonder if there's a future where players are directly involved in TV deals. Like are we, are we headed to that place?

[Myron Medcalf]

Well, that was my second point. My second point was going to be not just in the college part in all of this. The idea that you pay players. Players have always been assumed on both the pro and college level that they'll promote the game just as part of their stuff. But this idea that you would pay players to do the commercials for the game. Myron, I don't think that's really happened before. And I also think that's interesting.

[Matt Jones]

And I think if you're the players, if you're other players around the country watching this. You're saying, how do we do this?

[Myron Medcalf]

Why would. Why would I promote a game that I'm not getting this right?

[Matt Jones]

And that's why I think it feels like a really critical step. These next TV deals, you know, I think the NCAA tournament deal is up in 2032. Like all these big deals, I think the players are going to demand a seat at the table. And this Amazon deal could be sort of the framework for that. I think the other thing is, I know people think the rev share rules in all these rulings, and here you have a pot of money. You can't spend more than this. Matt, that's nonsense. Everyone's spending more and they're finding creative ways to get around the rules. So a lot of people are like, oh, nil is over. No, Nil to me is even bigger now because there are so many different ways that these guys are getting money into the hands of players.

[Myron Medcalf]

Well, let me explain a little bit about what Myron's talking about, because I think this is important. All right, let's say a player goes to Duke and let's say there's a local company in Durham that wants to give them an aisle. That's what people think about, right? As to how you do it. Well, now, and we'll see if these rules end up being forced. But for right now, they're requiring Duke and the player to prove that the ad they do for the company in Durham is at market value. Right. So you do an ad for Johnny's Pizza. Did pizza. You have to show what an ad in Durham is like. And if you're in a place like Durham that's not that huge, the market is so small that it's hard to prove that you can pay a lot of money. What makes this Amazon deal brilliant is Amazon can pay the Duke players anything. Because the market, Myron, is global. Right? They can show, hey, we pay Kevin Hart $10 million for his special. So really, whatever they want to pay these players is probably fine, Myron. So by making the market global and having a global company do it, I think it completely changes the game.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, and every school, every ad, the top level ads are all calling all these broadcast partners and they're saying, how do we do this? I mean, they're trying to get in too. Because I do think it's a revolutionary thing. To your point, the global reach of it changes everything for the sport, for Duke. And I think it's just a brilliant idea. I mean, I gotta give Duke credit

[Myron Medcalf]

for I do too.

[Matt Jones]

It's genius to do it.

[Myron Medcalf]

And you know what's interesting to me though is UConn, Michigan and Gonzaga agreed to this. Michigan coming off a national championship. UConn, Michigan and Gonzaga, Myron, are huge brands in amongst themselves. Three of the last four national champions in that group. But by doing this, aren't they almost acknowledging, yeah, we're big, but we're not Duke.

[Matt Jones]

Yes, but guess what, you got to play somebody so you're going to.

[Myron Medcalf]

But I mean they're. But. But like if you're Yukon, you are a secondary part of a Duke deal. You just beat them in the tournament last year. But you are almost acknowledging like they're not asking UConn players to do nil. They're having only the Duke players do it.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, But I bet UConn is getting something and Michigan's getting something. But at the same time, the reach of this, you can't put a price tag on. Fine, if this is Duke's deal, but you got to play somebody. And I think Yukon and Gonzaga, Michigan all understand the benefits. Amazon. I mean the number. Matt could be one of those record breaking numbers for a regular season game.

[Myron Medcalf]

Oh, without question, this will be the most people to watch a college basketball regular season game in forever, right? In forever. And then you can cross promote it on other Amazon products.

[Matt Jones]

Like you can do.

[Myron Medcalf]

There's a lot you can do. And so you got it. I'm a Duke hater. But you got to give Duke credit because I think they changed the game with one simple deal. We're going to look ahead. Two game sevens are today. That's next here on Matt Myron,

[Matt Jones]

Matt and Myron the podcast.

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