Hour 2: Jackpot!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron – Hour 2: Jackpot!

Release Date: May 18, 2025
Hosts: Myron Medcalf and Matt Myron
Platform: ESPN Radio

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1. Upcoming Guests and Voice Comparison (00:30 – 03:00)

The episode kicks off with Myron Medcalf teasing an exciting upcoming segment where they'll bring on Dan Povenmire and Jeff Marsh, the voice actors behind Phineas and Ferb. The hosts engage in a lighthearted discussion about Myron's vocal similarity to Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz, a character from Phineas and Ferb.

• Myron Medcalf (00:56):
  "When I get worked up, people think I sound like Doofenshmirtz... We're going to bring him on to see who sounds more like Doofenshmirtz, me or the guy who did the voice for Doofenshmirtz."

• Matt Myron (01:35):
  "I've heard the name. You gotta hear this, dude."

This segment promises a fun comparison for fans of the animated series.

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2. NBA Trade Analysis – Luka Dončić and Cooper Flag (03:03 – 10:23)

A significant portion of the episode delves into the recent NBA trade where the Dallas Mavericks (referred to as "Mavs Cha") traded Luka Dončić to the Los Angeles Lakers. This trade has pivoted to recent events where Dallas secured the first pick in the draft lottery, selecting Cooper Flag—widely regarded as a potential franchise cornerstone alongside stars like Anthony Davis and Zion Williamson.

• Myron Medcalf (03:03):
  "The biggest narrative of the season of the NBA was, how can you believe the Mavericks traded Luka to the Lakers... and then Dallas ends up with Cooper Flag."

• Matt Myron (03:16):
  "Cooper to me is the most complete, you know, one and done that I've covered."

The hosts compare Cooper Flag's versatility and potential impact to established stars, emphasizing his two-way play and adaptability across positions.

• Matt Myron (03:59):
  "He can guard five positions... He's a two-way presence."

They also touch on the perception of American prospects versus European players, suggesting that Cooper Flag might not receive the same recognition due to biases.

• Matt Myron (04:02):
  "If Cooper Flag were from Europe, we talk about them differently... But I think when they're American and they're a white guy, it's a whole different conversation."

The discussion further explores how this trade might reshape the Mavericks' strategy, potentially positioning them as immediate contenders while also building for the future.

• Myron Medcalf (07:22):
  "If Cooper Flag reaches his potential, does that mean if you have him and Anthony Davis, you won the Luka trade?"

• Matt Myron (08:01):
  "This makes it possible in ways that it just wasn't before... He could be the guy that you build around for the next decade."

The segment concludes with a balanced view on the Luka trade's immediate and long-term implications for the Mavericks.

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3. UK Football News – Nottingham Forest and Crystal Palace (15:00 – 26:05)

Shifting gears to UK football, the hosts celebrate Nottingham Forest's pursuit of qualifying for the Champions League for the first time in 25 years. They also highlight Crystal Palace's historic win of the FA Cup, their first major trophy in 70 years, drawing parallels to the Chicago Cubs' long-awaited World Series victory.

• Myron Medcalf (15:10):
  "Crystal Palace, a team from South London who had never won a major trophy in British football in 70 years. They won the FA Cup."

• Matt Myron (15:35):
  "The crowd was really excited about Crystal Palace."

This segment underscores the emotional triumphs and the passionate fanbases of these clubs, enhancing the global sports narrative.

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4. Sunday Morning Headlines (16:02 – 22:00)

a. Mark Scheifele's Emotional Game (16:02 – 18:01)

The hosts reflect on Mark Scheifele's poignant performance with the Winnipeg Jets, where he played hours after his father's passing. Scheifele scored the opening goal, and despite the team's overtime loss to the Dallas Stars, his resilience was lauded.

• Evan (16:12):
  "Mark Scheifele's father passed away, makes the first goal."

• Myron Medcalf (16:54):
  "It was a pretty cool moment last night."

This heartfelt moment emphasizes the human side of sports, highlighting athletes' personal struggles and triumphs.

b. Caleb Williams' Dad and NFL Draft (18:03 – 19:57)

The episode addresses Caleb Williams' father, Carl Williams, and his controversial attempts to influence the NFL draft through legal maneuvers to bypass the league's collective bargaining agreement. The hosts express frustration over parental interference in professional athletes' careers.

• Myron Medcalf (18:31):
  "Once your kid gets to college, but certainly once your kid gets the pros, just shut up."

• Matt Myron (19:42):
  "I've seen a lot of dads messing up their kids' dreams... They lose deals and make things harder."

This discussion underscores the challenges young athletes face with external pressures, particularly from family members.

c. HBO Max Branding Confusion (19:57 – 22:00)

The hosts critique HBO Max's inconsistent branding strategy, oscillating between "Max" and "HBO Max," likening it to brands like Shopify and X (formerly Twitter) that maintain consistent identities.

• Myron Medcalf (20:13):
  "It was like the Cooking Channel and all that, but then they have HBO, the greatest television station of all time... I knew that was stupid."

• Matt Myron (21:00):
  "People think they can just invent a new brand right now. It's still Twitter."

This segment highlights the importance of brand consistency in maintaining consumer recognition and loyalty.

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5. "Name that Wildcat" Segment with Travis Ford (24:12 – 33:44)

In a nostalgic and informative segment, the hosts welcome Travis Ford, a former Division I coach and former Kentucky Wildcat, to participate in "Name that Wildcat." They reminisce about the legendary 1994 SEC Tournament game between Kentucky and Duke, often hailed as one of the greatest college basketball games of all time.

• Travis Ford (25:17):
  "I've never experienced a locker room that was just so many emotions... it's still undescribable."

• Myron Medcalf (28:14):
  "How does Patino continue to coach at this level, 40 plus years into his career?"

Ford praises Coach Patino's enduring passion and adaptability amid the evolving landscape of college sports, especially regarding Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) regulations.

• Travis Ford (30:29):
  "My last couple of years... recruiting becomes a one to two week deal at this point."

The conversation delves into how NIL has transformed recruiting dynamics, shifting focus from relationship-building to contractual negotiations with agents.

• Travis Ford (33:05):
  "Recruiting becomes a one to two week deal at this point. That's just what it is."

Ford emphasizes the resilience and dedication required to maintain coaching excellence amidst these changes, underscoring the importance of focusing on team preparation over external distractions.

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6. Closing Banter and Personal Anecdotes (33:44 – End)

The episode concludes with the hosts engaging in playful banter about their personal interests and relationships within the ESPN community. They touch upon:

• CMA Fest: Matt expresses excitement about attending the CMA Fest, clarifying misconceptions about its nature.

  • Matt Myron (41:08):
    "I would know that I am a real '80s and '90s."

• Hip Hop Knowledge: A humorous exchange ensues about their understanding of hip hop culture, culminating in promises of friendly competitions.

  • Myron Medcalf (41:32):
    "I think I would win the hip hop quiz."

• Friendship with Michelle Smallman: A brief mention highlights the camaraderie and occasional misunderstandings within their professional circle.

Overall, this segment adds a personal and relatable dimension to the hosts, showcasing their chemistry and diverse interests beyond sports analysis.

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Key Takeaways

• NBA Trade Insights: The Luka Dončić trade to the Lakers and the Mavericks' acquisition of Cooper Flag could reshape the team's future prospects significantly.

• Emotional Athlete Moments: Highlighting Mark Scheifele's performance post-personal loss underscores the emotional resilience of athletes.

• Parental Influence in Sports: The segment on Caleb Williams' father reflects ongoing concerns about parental roles in professional athletes' careers.

• Branding Consistency: HBO Max's branding challenges serve as a case study in the importance of maintaining a clear and consistent brand identity.

• Coaching Amidst Change: Travis Ford's insights into NIL's impact on college sports provide valuable perspectives on the evolving dynamics of coaching and recruiting.

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Notable Quotes:

• Matt Myron (03:16):
  "Cooper to me is the most complete, you know, one and done that I've covered."

• Travis Ford (25:17):
  "I've never experienced a locker room that was just so many emotions... it's still indescribable."

• Myron Medcalf (18:31):
  "Once your kid gets to college, but certainly once your kid gets the pros, just shut up."

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This detailed summary encapsulates the multifaceted discussions of Hour 2: Jackpot!, providing listeners with comprehensive insights into NBA trades, emotional athlete stories, college sports dynamics, and personal anecdotes from the hosts.

Transcript

[Matt Myron]

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[Myron Metcalf]

It is Sunday morning, Matt Myron, here on ESPN Radio. We are having a fun first hour. Hope you enjoy the second one. We have next week, two weeks from now. A guest coming on. Do you know, Myron, who Dan Povenmire is? Do you know who he is? And Jeff Marsh. Do you know them?

[Matt Myron]

I think only because you've mentioned them. Right.

[Myron Metcalf]

So I've never mentioned them, but they're never.

[Matt Myron]

When you're not on the show, people mention.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. So they're. They're from Phineas and Ferb. They do the voices for Phineas and Ferb. And it has been said to me that when I get worked up, people think I sound like Doofenshmirtz from Phineas and Ferb. When I get a little sometimes, you know, my voice gets high and I'm like, myron, you know, like something like that. And I think they're going to bring him on to see if who sounds more like Doofenshmirtz, me or the guy who did the voice for Doofenshmirtz. And that is in two weeks for all the Phineas and Ferb fans out there. Myron.

[Matt Myron]

Yeah, no, I'm looking forward to it, man. Yeah, I've heard the name. You know, people have said it. Gotta hear this, dude.

[Myron Metcalf]

Have you ever seen the cartoon?

[Matt Myron]

I haven't. I don't think I've heard it. I don't think I've watched that cartoon.

[Myron Metcalf]

I still remember it was a few years ago on our Final Four preview show that somebody said for the first time they thought I sounded like him. And I guess. Evan, was that you? Were you the first one to point that out? Out a few years ago.

[Evan]

I had never heard of the show until we talked about having them on. So.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, but I think it's what I go, that's when they get ready. That's when they came down like him. Yeah. So we. That'll be in two weeks. Then, of course, in three weeks, we will be at CMA Fest. So earlier this year, the biggest narrative of the story of the season of the NBA was, oh, how can you Believe the Mavs Cha traded Luca to the Lakers. Nico Harrison is such an idiot. How could he do this? Blah, blah, blah. And then this week you end up with the draft lottery and Dallas gets the first pick and they will get Cooper Flag, who most people believe along with Anthony Davis and Zion Williamson is the most kind of obvious slam dunk Number one pick in the last 15 years. First of all, number one. Do you agree with that assessment? Although again, in those slam dunk, Zion hasn't ended up really being a slam dunk because of injuries. Do you agree with that assessment? And then second, what does it say? Do people look at the Luca trade differently now that it ends up leading to a Cooper Flag first round number one overall pick?

[Matt Myron]

Yeah, I mean Cooper to me is the most complete, you know, one and done that I've covered. He's not, you know, Anthony Davis was sort of a next level defensive talent and everything he could do. Zion was probably the most gifted athlete I've ever seen.

[Myron Metcalf]

But in terms of complete, I mean, you're talking about Carmelo Durant, Wall, Davis, Zion, you would put him over them.

[Matt Myron]

When I say complete in terms of like two way play, I think he's as skilled as any of those guys. Two way player. No one's more skilled than Durant and Carmelo obviously as a scorer. Anthony Davis, we saw what he did defensively. Zion was maybe the greatest athlete I've ever seen outside the NBA. But in terms of just complete package, I think Cooper Flag is that so the talk isn't surprising at all. And listen, I think if Cooper Flag were from Europe somewhere, we talk about them differently, you know, because we love the European prospects who look a lot like Cooper Flag and play that way. But I think when they're American and they're a white guy. I don't know if you think if.

[Myron Metcalf]

Your name was like super flag of it, you would.

[Matt Myron]

Yes, it'd be a whole different conversation. It'd be a whole different conversation. But I think. Well, because, you know, I think people have just got accustomed to feeling like European players have a higher skill set. You know, they're, they're raised differently in the game. Like we talk about this same way we do these British actors that come over here and take all of our roles. We love to like praise them for what they can do here. It's just a weird thing here in America.

[Myron Metcalf]

You hate when British actors play American parts, don't you?

[Matt Myron]

I do.

[Myron Metcalf]

It makes you mad.

[Matt Myron]

I don't know why we're giving them the auditions.

[Myron Metcalf]

You become Almost a patriot when it comes down to acting specifically. Why is that?

[Matt Myron]

We couldn't go over there and be like, would you like a cup of tea? You know what I mean? We couldn't do that and get these roles. But they come over here and they're like, yeah man, my name is Frank and they're from London somewhere. It, it's not fair, man. There's not an equal exchange.

[Myron Metcalf]

Can you do a little bit more of your British accent?

[Matt Myron]

Would you like a cup of tea, mate? I don't know what they say over there, but, but like we don't, we don't get to go over there and do their accent and get roles, but yet they come over here and take our roles.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right, so Cooper flag, you think because he is a white American that makes people more skeptical of him, but not for you. You believe he's that good?

[Matt Myron]

I mean, I did. I think four or five of Cooper's games, you know, this year for espn, for tv. Like he's legit, man. And he's a two way presence. He can guard five positions. Like he's going to come in as a guy who can shoot, who can handle the ball. Like people made a lot of him. Those turnovers that he had in the season against Kentucky and Kansas and some of those big moments. My thing is, people may not know he was a 17 year old in the Champions Classic in Atlanta facing Kentucky with the ball.

[Myron Metcalf]

He was. But he did have four games down the stretch where he had the ball with a chance to win and he would. He, he three of the times didn't even get a shot off and then one time took a bad shot. I mean, he had. Again, these are, it's a small sample size, but Duke lost four games last year and all four of them he had the ball in his hand at the end and three of the four, he didn't even get a shot off. I mean, that matters, doesn't it?

[Matt Myron]

I think it'll be different in the NBA, right, because you can, in college you can do things defensively that you can't do in the NBA. But I also think he's a young guy. I don't think he comes into the league and we're saying he's an all star in year one. But I think he comes in and he's a contributor. I think he comes in and he's a high level player right away and I think his ceiling is superstar in the NBA. I think he can be that good. Plus you notice Matt, that dude plays with an edge, man. Like that. That dude isn't coming in quietly. So. So I think you have to pick him up.

[Myron Metcalf]

If you look at his face, he looks like the quiet kid in the library.

[Matt Myron]

No, he's not that.

[Myron Metcalf]

But that's not how he's playing. He's talking a lot of trash. He's got that. He's got that sort of sneaky trash talker that when the camera's not on, he's telling you what he's going to do to you guy, right?

[Matt Myron]

Yes, yes. And you, when you talk to him, he's from Maine. Like, I mean, imagine this, a kid from Maine who's going to be having a moment, right?

[Myron Metcalf]

Belichick's girlfriend, Cooper Flag. It's been a big month for Maine, hasn't it?

[Matt Myron]

Yes, it has been.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, the Lobsters and stadiums, Stephen King is not all that Maine can produce.

[Matt Myron]

Is having a moment. But. But I also think you have to pick Cooper Flag, because if you're the Dallas Mavericks, it kind of solves two problems. You can win now with Cooper Flag once Kyrie gets healthy, and you can also. He can also be the guy that you build around for the next decade. So, all right, so there's no way.

[Myron Metcalf]

Let'S say Cooper Flag. Give me the premise that he reaches his potential, okay, Whatever that is in your mind, okay? And everybody has a dip. But let's just say whatever you think his potential is, let's just say he reaches it. If Cooper Flag reaches his potential, does that mean if you have him and Anthony Davis, you won the Luca trade?

[Matt Myron]

It's possible, Yeah. I mean, this makes it possible in ways that it just wasn't before. But there's a world where you win the Luca trade because Cooper comes in and maybe as a star in this league for the next decade, you know, for the next 15 years, who knows? But you also have a chance to win now. I mean, what the Mavericks have is like a really unique situation where if Kyrie is back potentially by the All Star break, you could have Kyrie, Clay Thompson, Anthony Davis, Cooper Flag as the anchors of a Dallas team in a Western Conference that. Okay, Young okc, we'll see what they do. You know, the Lakers, obviously, are an older team. You can be competitive, maybe even get to the Finals. And then three, four years from now, when you got to hit the reset button, Kyrie was there.

[Myron Metcalf]

Kyrie, Clay, P.J. washington, Cooper flag and Anthony Davis. With Derek Lively as your sixth man. That's a pretty good team, isn't it? I mean, that's not a That's, that's a pretty good group.

[Matt Myron]

It's a, it's, it's a, it's a contender in the Western Conference. If everybody gets healthy now, Kyrie has to get healthy. But I think Cooper Flag will come in and be an immediate young star in this league. Like again, people haven't seen him play, so whatever they want to think. I mean, I think people also, Matt, I think they see Christian Laitner, you know, I think you see Duke White kid. Okay, yeah, he's just a different dude, man.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's a different dude. He's a different kind of dude. I completely agree with you about that. And Laitner played 30 years ago, so it's hard to. It 35 years ago. Like it's, it's, it's kind of hard to do that. People don't want to give Nico Harrison credit, right? They don't want to because they don't. They want to, they want to dunk on him. And yes, there was a huge stroke of luck here. They only had a 1.8% chance. So this, you can't act like this was in the grand plan. But at the end of the day, Myron, things work out however they work out, you know, and as part of what happened, they could end up with a better team long term than they had before. And isn't that the point of a trade?

[Matt Myron]

I mean on some level they could win this trade. And you know, again, I still think Nico made the wrong move. Like in the moment you're getting rid of a five time all NBA first team pick by 25 years old, which we'd never seen. Luka third all time in career scoring average at that age. At the same time, the NBA is about luck. You know, you get lucky sometimes and that has happened for the Dallas.

[Myron Metcalf]

And I still am going to say I don't think Luke age as well. Just my belief you don't like you're.

[Matt Myron]

Not a Luca guy, you're not a big fan of him.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think he's an amazing talent. I think he gets hurt too easily and I think if he's on your team with the way he plays defense, he'll drive you crazy. And you saw it with the Lakers. He gives you a lot but he take like the moment he's on the team, you're in a defensive issue and as he ages and the offensive skills deteriorate, the defense which is bad now becomes unplayable. So I do think he ages poorly now. Do I think he has three or four years of being great in him of course I do. But I do not think his game will age well. I just don't. We'll see. Maybe I'm.

[Matt Myron]

Yeah, I get the sense you don't think he takes the game seriously. Like, you don't think he approaches the game professionally.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I can't. I'm not gonna say professionally. I don't know. I will say to you, in terms.

[Matt Myron]

Of his being in shape, I mean, in terms of. I don't understand.

[Myron Metcalf]

I've always thought this. I don't understand how a dude in the NBA who plays guard cannot be in shape. You would think if all you did was what you did when you played basketball, you'd be in shape. So it's almost like you're intentionally not being in shape. I've always thought that it's a little different for bigs because they're not sprinting as much necessarily. I mean, Jokic is a unique. Is a unique thing. But I. Yeah, I can understand why you would be hesitant to want to age with Luca.

[Matt Myron]

I'm just saying. We'll see.

[Myron Metcalf]

Maybe. Maybe I'll be wrong. And hopefully for the Lakers and the NBA, I will. ESPN Radio is presented by Progressive Insurance. Progressive can protect your home, auto, boat, motorcycle, atv, rv, and more. In short, a lot of things Bundle [e-mail] I remember Rick Majeris talking about an NBA draft prospect. He was talking about Eddie Curry in the high school draft, and he came out on the NBA draft and he was overweight coming out of high school. Rick Mager said, if you're overweight coming out of high school, wait till he gets older. Right.

[Matt Myron]

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[Myron Metcalf]

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[Matt Myron]

And Myron the podcast.

[Myron Metcalf]

It is Matt Myron here on Sunday morning. Right now your boys from Nottingham Forest, Myron, are up to one against West Ham Forest trying to make the Champions League for the first time in 25 years. They need if they can win this game and next week they'll do it. Are you excited about the Forest?

[Matt Myron]

I'm excited, man. What did some big happen yesterday?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, Crystal Palace. Crystal Palace, a team from South London who had never, who had not won a major trophy in British football in 70 years. They won the FA Cup. They'll get to play in the Champions League. Long suffering fans. It would be. It was kind of like when the Cubs won many years ago for palace yesterday. Some great video scenes if you were to go watch it.

[Matt Myron]

Yeah, I saw a lot of the videos from the crowd that they were really excited, man, about Crystal.

[Myron Metcalf]

They have such great names. Crystal Palace.

[Matt Myron]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

Not Needham Forest. It's great.

[Matt Myron]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

If you're not named Forest though, for great names, you wouldn't want to be the team. That's West Ham. Yeah, why you gotta call me Ham? That's not very nice. All right, it is now time for Sunday morning headlines.

[Unknown]

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[Matt Myron]

The Sunday headlines.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right, these are the stories behind the stories. What's up first, Evan?

[Evan]

Yeah, how about this? Jet Center Mark Scheifele played yesterday just hours after his father passed away. Suddenly overnight. And then Shoffle did this to start the scoring.

[Myron Metcalf]

A two on oh, and Winnipeg, Shapely high slot shoots. And it's off a stick. And then a high sticking call coming up to Dallas. And they got Velardi out in front. Shapely shoots, he scores. Velardi took a high stick with a delayed penalty, got the puck along the boards, centered back out in front. But who better to score than Mark Scheifele tonight? And Winnipeg opens up the scoring. It's one nothing for the Jets.

[Evan]

The jets would lose to the Stars 21 in overtime, but how about that? It was pretty cool moment last night.

[Myron Metcalf]

Great moment. Scheifele's father passed away, makes the first goal. Then when it was over after the game, it was great seeing all the players for the Stars embrace him. You know, sports still gives you moments like that. And that was very cool last night, even in defeat. Myron.

[Matt Myron]

Yeah, I thought the handshake line was pretty special, man. Every player seemed to come up to him and, you know, definitely offer their condolences, man. But, yeah, the strength that must have taken to decide to play in a game like that was tremendous.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, you know, hockey, you like the handshake line at the end. You're. You've been very adamant in college basketball. You want them to stop shaking hands at the end of games. But you're cool with hockey, the hockey handshake, you think it's. What's the difference?

[Matt Myron]

I have different expectations of professional athletes than I do of college players where I just. The situations in college sports. And you've seen it. Matt, we both know that someone should have said, get these guys off the court. Arkansas and Kentucky is a great example. Like, that could have been something.

[Myron Metcalf]

Oklahoma.

[Matt Myron]

Oklahoma. I'm sorry, Kentucky went to Oklahoma. That could have been a thing. And you just got to say, everybody go to the locker room in moments like that.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. All right, what's next?

[Evan]

Caleb Williams, dad. Wade. Circumventing the entire NFL draft, consulting with lawyers to figure out a way around the league's collective bargaining agreement with while considering signing with the ufl. This is what Carl Williams told Seth Wickersham for a new book, American Kings, a biography of the quarterback. He also Carl Williams also said, I don't want my son playing for the Bears. That's what he told several agents in 2024. Thoughts on this, guys?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, tell dad to shut up. My general view about all parents is once your kid, honestly, once your kid gets to college, but certainly once your Kid gets the pros. Just shut up, you. It's a grown man you need out of the conversation. I shouldn't know Caleb Williams, dad's name. And if I do, it's just because they show him in the crowd crying because his son played so well. We should not know people's family. Shut up. Let your son be a man. All you've done is make it harder for him. I hate when parents get involved. Myron.

[Matt Myron]

Yeah. Tom is almost told me a story of a five star guy whose dad had a binder on how many minutes he was going to play for the Spartans. And Tom Izzo said, I love it. I hope he enjoys playing at whatever school he's playing for because he can't play for me. Right? So I think there are a lot of dads who are messing up their kids dreams and I think social media has made it worse. Like the fact that parents have a bigger spotlight now. I just think all these parents should get away. To your point. And what we're seeing is a lot of these guys, they eventually separate from their parents. Where's the Ball family? Where's Lavar Ball? Where are some of these other guys who've been in the spotlight? Not anymore.

[Myron Metcalf]

They've lost. Well, they've lost some. He's lost at least the shoe deal, but. Yeah, yeah. I mean this doesn't do anything to help Caleb Williams. Right?

[Matt Myron]

It's bad.

[Myron Metcalf]

New coach, Chicago's excited about him for year two. This coming out did nothing positive. Caleb Williams dad. Hush. Shut up. What's next?

[Matt Myron]

Does this put more pressure on him, Matt? Does it put more pressure on him to win?

[Myron Metcalf]

That's why these parents, they don't understand. All they do is make it worse for their kids. What's next?

[Evan]

Yeah, do you guys see Max is going back to HBO Max, the company announced. So they went from HBO to hbo, go to hbo, Max to Max, now they're back to HBO Max. What's the sports equivalent of this?

[Myron Metcalf]

Oh, that's a great question. I don't know. Is it. Are we the Devil Rays or the Rays? I feel like they go back and forth between the Devil Rays and the Rays in Tampa Bay. I'm not sure I will say this about HBO Max. As soon as they said we're going to drop the one thing good on this where like Max is just all it is is like the Cooking Channel and all that. But then they have hbo, which is maybe the greatest television station of all time. And then they're like, let's just take the HBO away and go to just Max. I knew that was stupid and I'm glad they decided. I mean, hbo, like, all the best shows ever came from hbo. And then they're like, let's just act like we don't have hbo. Myron, that was the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

[Matt Myron]

Look, what are all these companies that think they can just invent a new brand right now? You know how hard that is? Like, it's still Twitter.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm never going to like. Like, I'm never going to call it X. I don't care how much Elon tells me to, I'm always going to call it Twitter. Like, why do they insist on. I mean, McDonald's doesn't just all of a sudden we're just say we're going to be Donald's. Like, they do know there's some value in Mick.

[Matt Myron]

Exactly.

[Myron Metcalf]

Why don't. Why did HBO think it was going to not have it?

[Matt Myron]

I don't understand it. Silly, silly man.

[Evan]

How many marketing dollars were wasted going back and forth?

[Travis Ford]

They've had.

[Matt Myron]

Yeah, people are just arrogant.

[Evan]

They've had three different logos as just Max.

[Myron Metcalf]

Is that right?

[Matt Myron]

They're arrogant, man. Like, the thing.

[Myron Metcalf]

Here's what they need to do. They need to show a picture of Omar, Tony Soprano, Harry Bradshaw, and like, I don't know, somebody from Succession. Logan Roy. So, hey, we're the place that has these shows. That's all they need to do. Byron, it's not that complicated, right?

[Matt Myron]

It's not. It's not. And they're making it harder than it has to be. By Stringer Bell.

[Myron Metcalf]

Stringer Bell, Tony Soprano, Carrie Bradshaw, Logan Roy. Who am I missing that we needs to be on there?

[Matt Myron]

No, that's a good list, man.

[Myron Metcalf]

Just put those four. Who? Chase from Entourage, Vincent Chase from Entourage. I have to tell you, that show was terrible, but I kind of liked it.

[Matt Myron]

It.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm not going to lie. I kind of wanted. I kind of want to be their friend. Turtle, I thought was such a dork, I ended up. Well, there's your Entourage talk. It is our first of guess. The Wildcat guest joins us. That's next.

[Matt Myron]

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[Matt Myron]

Matt and Myron the Podcast it's time for Name that Wildcat with Matt Myron.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right, all summer long, we are bringing on former Kentucky Wildcats for Name that Wildcat. I have to guess them. I got this one in two guesses. Meyer Metcalf, the 1994 SEC tournament MVP. You were trying to guess it was Derek Anderson. It was not Derek Anderson. Meyer Metcalf. It was this man, Travis ford, former Division 1 coach. He does basketball games during the season. Travis, he was being disrespectful to you for getting that 1990 SEC championship MVP. Travis, when we went down there and won before losing the Marquette in the tournament.

[Unknown]

Yeah, getting no respect. No respect.

[Matt Myron]

All respect. All respect.

[Unknown]

Yeah, they forget it, forgot about me quickly. Very quickly.

[Myron Metcalf]

You played, you played on the FA in the, the famous 1992 Kentucky Duke game. That was kind of the start of your career. That, that year. We were just talking a minute ago about Leitner. You've been, you've now coached basketball. You played it. Is that the best game of all time on the college level?

[Unknown]

Oh, there's definitely an argument, that's for sure. When you put what was at stake, obviously, to go to the Final Four, two of the, you know, obviously greatest basketball programs ever. You know, I don't think anybody expected our team to necessarily be there at the time. Duke was obviously a big favorite. And for that game to go back and forth the way it did, the way it ended, obviously you got Sean woods shot, which was incredible. Yeah, I think it's got to be it. Definitely the greatest college NCAA tournament game, I think, of all time. I don't think there's any. I, I don't think it's close. Really.

[Myron Metcalf]

How heartbreaking was that locker room after, after he hit the shot? I mean, we've all seen it a million times. It's on every commercial, every March.

[Unknown]

How heartbreaking. Matt, people. Yeah, Matt people talked about it and it's still undescribable. I've been a part of millions of locker rooms as a player and coach. I've never experienced a locker room that was just so many emotions. Obviously we had some great, great seniors who really kind of put Kentucky basketball, helped bring it back after the really tough days. And John Pelfrey, who was my college roommate, and Sean woods and Richie and Darren Feldhouse, all these guys knowing it was their last game and how it ended. It's undescribable. I can still and I don't remember a lot of stuff from that long ago. I can remember it like it was yesterday. How just utterly just devastation as the feeling. And then Coach Pitino, it couldn't have gotten any better. And I don't know how it happened or I've never really even asked him did he. How he planned it. But when he pulled out the Sports Illustrated article, the magazine that had Kentucky shame, and he talked about how those guys. That's no longer the case. Like it just total emotion. Unbelievable locker room still the saddest locker room I've ever been a part of. And I still. I tell this day and you know, when you talk to Pelfrey and those guys, it's still tough to talk about. But for us who came back the next year, that was fuel for us to get back to the Final Four. Jamal, myself, Dale Brown and you know, we learned so much through that game that I think really helped us the following year.

[Matt Myron]

Travis, I think, I think if you polled college basketball coaches and said who's the greatest basketball coach post John Wooden? I think Coach Case probably won. And I think Patino's number two, he continues to be great. Obviously what he did with St. John's so many of his colleagues in that age range have left the game they didn't want to deal with nil and everything else. How does Patino continue to coach at this level, you know, 40 plus years into his career?

[Unknown]

Yeah, it's a good question. I spent a lot of time up in New York with him this past winter. Quite a few times, quite a few games. Quite a spent a lot of time with him and it's amazing to watch him on a daily basis. And I spent several days with him all day from in the morning till night. And his workout regime and his love for the game has never wavered. All the outside stuff, it's amazing how he can just put it aside and just focus on his team, focus on preparation where everybody else does, get caught up into the Nil and the portal stuff, he just doesn't, you know, he goes about what makes him great coaching basketball. And to watch his energy level this past season and watch him develop that team and bring St. John's back was, you know, nothing had changed from when I played for him. His, his. His drive is unbelievable. He loves the game. You know, you talk about Coach K. Yes, I would, you know, put him definitely up there. But if Coach Pino had never left Kentucky and just stayed, you know, at uk, I don't think there was any doubt. He. It wouldn't even be an argument. He'd be the greatest, easily the greatest coach of all time. I still think he is. You look at his track record, but he's had gone down so many different roads from NBA to, you know, obviously different college teams to going to Greece. People forget about. He went to Greece and totally changed internationally.

[Myron Metcalf]

You talk about being obsessed with coaching. My man went to Greece and coach, so he could still do it. Travis, that's crazy.

[Unknown]

It's amazing. But he. He's thriving in this era when it is so tough for so many. He is absolutely thriving, and I love to see it. I'm so excited for him.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, let me ask you about this era. You've coached in it as well. You know, college sports going through a massive transition. The next year, it'll look probably different a year from now than it looks now, and that'll probably be what it looks like going forward. But you've been through all of it. Obviously, your roster changes. Obviously, there's nil. When the season starts, though, Travis, and the game starts, is it still the same or does it bleed into that as well?

[Unknown]

It's mostly the same. It's mostly the same. You're, you know, for a coach and a player, you know, you're preparing for games, you're trying to get better every day. You know, all that's the same. The difference even when it starts is those guys in locker room are getting paid. I mean, you walk into that locker room, the guy over here is getting a million and a half. This guy over here is getting 3 million. You know, that wasn't the case when I played and things like that. You know, so that's still. That's still in the locker room. You know, obviously the summers have changed drastically. Doesn't even look the same as it did five, six years ago between the Portal and Nil. But even when the season starts, you know, there's still, you know, the coaching, the playing, all that's the same. But you still Walk into that locker room and it's basically like a professional, professional team at this point.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, well, go ahead, go ahead.

[Matt Myron]

Why is that? One quick question. I mean, I know you obviously, you know, you're hoping to get back into coaching at some point here soon. Give me the weirdest, craziest thing that happened that was nil related. I mean, was there a player request, an agent, a family member? Like, what's the thing that stands out for you? And you think about how chaotic this era has been.

[Unknown]

Well, you know, my last couple of years at St. Louis was tough because, you know, it was just the becoming of the nil and we just, we had none at the time and it's tough. But you went from overnight developing relationships in recruiting, you went from building and recruiting a guy for two to three years and getting to know his family and getting to know his high school coaches and his AU coaches, and it was all about relationships. And you could outwork people. You literally could just outwork people in recruiting. And it went from that literally overnight to all you did was talk to agents. That is it that. I mean my last couple, I went from maybe talking to one or two agents a year to talking to every single player. There wasn't one single player that I talked to the last two years that did not have an agent. And that's who you dealt with, that's who you talk to. And it, we never did that, that never happened. And it was literally overnight. That was the biggest change you can talk about trying to, you know, the money and all that dealing, you know, it's a totally different, you know, platform as far as going from building relationships to you might recruit. Recruiting becomes a one to two week deal at this point. That's just what it is.

[Myron Metcalf]

You know, agents are always such good people in general. So I think, I think it probably, it probably was a lot of fun. Travis, thank you for. Travis Ford, former D1 coach, former Wildcat, St. Louis, Oklahoma State, UMass all over the place. Travis, thank you very much for being our first name that Wildcat of many.

[Unknown]

Well, guys, I appreciate you having me on. I want to just send my thoughts and prayers, everybody out in Kentucky, in the state. I know, gosh, it's been a tough, tough time between the storms and the floods and everything. Prayers and thoughts to everybody in the state of Kentucky.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, terrible tornadoes here just a couple days ago. Travis Ford, thank you very much for your time.

[Unknown]

Thanks guys. Thanks for having me.

[Myron Metcalf]

Appreciate it. You agree, Myron, that 92, Duke, Kentucky, best college game all time.

[Matt Myron]

Yeah, I mean, it's definitely high on the list. It's one of the few games you.

[Myron Metcalf]

To say it's the best. We are Kentucky basketball. We don't want to hear definitely high. Everybody knows it's definitely high. It's definitely high. Like Seth Rogen. I'm asking you a question.

[Matt Myron]

Is it in my lifetime? In my lifetime, probably. But I mean, there's some games I didn't see in the 70s and 80s. I will say it's one of the few games where you say that game and everybody remembers where they were when they watched it, you know, and I think there are a few games that you can do that with.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's definitely, would you say the most famous moment. Right. Basketball history. It's that and what Jimmy V. Running around. I mean, that's, that's kind of your.

[Matt Myron]

Two Jimmy V. Yeah. I mean Chris Jenkins. I mean, in the modern era in the buzzer beater and Villanova, it's still.

[Myron Metcalf]

I will tell you, it made me cry and it made me unhappy and it made me a lifelong Christian Lakener fan. And when I see Christian Laettner, I just have a natural instinct just to flip him off. Myron and I'm not proud of it here on the Sunday morning, but I don't think I'm the only one is Christian. You don't have to ask how old I am. Is Christian Laetner, by the way, the most universally hated athlete of all time?

[Matt Myron]

People.

[Myron Metcalf]

Is there anyone say that polarizing. Anyone that likes Christian Laitner? That's not a Duke, but, you know.

[Matt Myron]

From a guy I grew up in Milwaukee, I saw the polarization of. But I didn't feel that way about him. But I think if you're in the rivalry, yeah, a lot of college basketball people saw him that way.

[Myron Metcalf]

He's the most hated. I think it's pretty definitive for Mr.

[Matt Myron]

J.J. redick was, I mean, for this era was pretty.

[Myron Metcalf]

He's changed now. People like him and they think he's smart and all this. But you're right, he was one as well. We have one issue with the NBA playoffs and it's off the court. And there are also some big games coming up. One major one today. We'll get to all that. It is Sunday morning, Matt Myron, presented by Progressive Insurance here on ESPN Radio.

[Matt Myron]

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[Unknown]

Matt.

[Matt Myron]

And Myron the podcast.

[Myron Metcalf]

I did not know that happened. That's the first time hearing that. Hold on. I didn't know.

[Matt Myron]

He responded to the I didn't know either, he said. Not surprised they would criticize it. What did that mean? Well, he does.

[Myron Metcalf]

Listen, let's just be right.

[Matt Myron]

What does that mean?

[Myron Metcalf]

I say this all the time because I'm just gonna be honest with y' all. Like, I don't know anybody that works in espn. So I mean, you heard Michelle Smallman, who I is my friend didn't even recognize my own voice. I mean, she called me Q. So like, she is. This is how. This is how little I know people at espn. I have worked with Michelle Smallman multiple times. I like Michelle Smallman. I have said Michelle Smallman's one of my favorite people and she did not know who I was in that clip.

[Matt Myron]

She thought I was Q. That's it. Q. Myers, man.

[Myron Metcalf]

But hold on. Can I just a message real quick since I since they play these in the show. Michelle Smallman, we're friends. You didn't know that was me. You had no idea that was me.

[Matt Myron]

Hold on. But why did Candy say Not surprised they would criticize it.

[Myron Metcalf]

He doesn't like. I don't know if he doesn't like you.

[Matt Myron]

Is he questioning my hip hop knowledge? Like, is that because I think he's.

[Myron Metcalf]

I was on the air with Kanty once and we got into an argument about all things. The live tour. Of all things.

[Matt Myron]

Candy can't argue with anybody though, man.

[Myron Metcalf]

Candy had some very strong takes about the live tour. He thought it was going to change golf. This was when it first started and I was like, no, it's not. No one's going to care and he got really angry at me and it didn't work and we haven't. We haven't worked together since. So I think you're getting. I think you're getting the shrapnel from the old two years ago Jones Canty live tour debate.

[Matt Myron]

Listen, I like Kathy a lot. We share the same age at I think kids again.

[Myron Metcalf]

Do you think he likes.

[Matt Myron]

He's also like 6 foot 8. You know, like, it would crush both of us. It'd be like a double choke slap. But no, when he, when he says I'm not surprised they would criticize. Like, is he questioning me as a hip hop. I think because I won't accept that. I won't accept hip hop knowledge.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think it is. Myron Metcalf doesn't understand hip hop and Matt Jones doesn't understand the lift and the combination of. That's why he said that.

[Matt Myron]

No, if, that if, if we need to have a hip hop quiz with me and Canty, we can do that.

[Myron Metcalf]

Evan.

[Matt Myron]

Maybe we should do that. Evan. I'm confident I would win that. That's what it came down to.

[Myron Metcalf]

Here's what you know. We need to do a hip hop test now, since Canty probably won't come on with Myron because he doesn't like him, we could each do it.

[Matt Myron]

Kandy and I get along, man.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, then why did he say that? Wait a minute, hang on. If you get along, why did he say. Of course it was them.

[Matt Myron]

Play sometimes getting along.

[Myron Metcalf]

Play what he said real quick. You don't play the whole clip. Start at the beginning and play what Kanti says about Myron and listen to Myron say he still likes him. Go ahead.

[Matt Myron]

This is Sunday Morning with Matt and Myron on ESPN Radio and on the ESPN app.

[Myron Metcalf]

I can't thank you enough for all that you've done.

[Matt Myron]

There's no way I can pay you back.

[Myron Metcalf]

But the plan is to show you that I understand. Was that a Tupac line in his mother's day?

[Matt Myron]

I wasn't ready for the Tupac lyrics, man.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think he did a Tupac lyric.

[Matt Myron]

I wasn't. I wasn't ready for the Tupac.

[Myron Metcalf]

My plan is to show you that I understand. Tupac said it best. Why not copy it and go out on top? I'm just surprised that. Who is that? Myron and Q. I thought it was Matt. Myron, Was it Matt?

[Evan]

Myron, who was it?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, it was Matt.

[Matt Myron]

Myron. Matt and Myron. I'm surprised they would.

[Myron Metcalf]

No surprise. No surprise.

[Matt Myron]

They would criticize It.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right, so stop right there. So clear. First of all, both of the shots hit us. I get the. Yours is bad. Because he says he's not surprised you'd criticize it. And it was you.

[Matt Myron]

Whoa.

[Myron Metcalf]

I get the shot of who is that guy from Michelle. Like, doesn't even know who it. So we both took shots right there.

[Matt Myron]

Now, it's probably not going to help my argument that I'm going to CMA Fest, right? But I, I would. I. I would, like, know that I am a real 80s and 90s.

[Myron Metcalf]

This is what Candy makes you listen to.

[Matt Myron]

Candy's at home thinking you're going, let's get another K. Thinks, I'm only listening to Shaboozi and Hootie. That's what I think he thinks. But listen.

[Myron Metcalf]

To Charlie Rich, Shaboozi. This is.

[Matt Myron]

If he wants to have a hip hop quiz. I'm 100% down.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think I would win the hip hop quiz.

[Matt Myron]

I would win that, man. I would win that.

[Myron Metcalf]

Like, Michelle, you know, Michelle, you are going to show me.

[Matt Myron]

Hold on a second. Are people gonna judge me for going to this CMA thing?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes.

[Matt Myron]

I mean, is this gonna be.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes, sir.

[Matt Myron]

First off, I thought originally it was the Cultural Music Association.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, you did.

[Matt Myron]

And then I found.

[Myron Metcalf]

Wait a minute, hang on. It was country music. Stop it. You did not think it was the cultural music or something.

[Matt Myron]

I found out it was country. But listen, man, I'm just being a good company man. And I like trips, too. I like trips.

[Myron Metcalf]

I. I do. I enjoy trips. Like, everybody go places.

[Matt Myron]

I do.

[Myron Metcalf]

Everybody gets to go places except us. So I'm excited that we get to go somewhere. I'm looking forward to that. I. I do want to say to you, like, Evan, I don't know if we're gonna be able to book kt because I could tell he. There's real animosity there with Myron.

[Matt Myron]

No, I love. That's no real anybody.

[Myron Metcalf]

We could get Michelle on here next week so that she at least knows I'm not Q. Myers.

[Matt Myron]

Yes, she knows who you are.

[Myron Metcalf]

We could get Michelle. Like, I don't. Do I sound like Q. Myers?

[Matt Myron]

Myron, people think you're black in my. I told you, people DM Me all the time. They're like, people DM Me and say, you didn't tell me he was black. And I'm like, what do you mean? First of all, I don't know you. What do you mean? I didn't know he wasn't black. Like, how did you know?

[Myron Metcalf]

What makes people Think I, I, I don't sound like you're Southern. I'm from the hills. I'm from. But from Middlesborough. Kentucky.

[Matt Myron]

But there's about nine and a half states where y' all can all sound similar to people who aren't from those who aren't from those states.

[Myron Metcalf]

What states can we all say, okay.

[Matt Myron]

I'll give them to you. I'll give them to you. We talking about black and white people can sound exactly the same.

[Myron Metcalf]

Exactly.

[Matt Myron]

Florida, South Carolina, people don't realize. Has a whole Alphabet that's different than everybody else's.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. Xavier Legrette.

[Matt Myron]

What is he. What? Like, that's not English. I don't know what it is. It's something else. But South Carolina, people understand it. Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas. You go to Arkansas, like, you go to, like, you know, Fayetteville, some of those barbecue joints. Everybody sounds the same. Louisiana, I think it's certainly on that list. Mississippi, Alabama. And then half of Georgia.

[Myron Metcalf]

Half of Georgia. You just think Atlanta has. It doesn't sound like the right.

[Matt Myron]

Atlanta. Atlanta's a big city. So, like, you know, people come from all over, but, like, if you go to Georgia, Georgia, yes. Very similar. You could get confused if you're not from those areas.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I just want to be clear. We weren't making fun of the fact that he was using Tupac. It was.

[Matt Myron]

I would never make fun of him.

[Myron Metcalf]

Curious to me. Of all the songs. It was just curious to me that you would, like, make your. I can't imagine looking at my mother and saying, like, you know, I used to read Word up magazine. I love you, Mom. Like, I just can't.

[Matt Myron]

I'll remind everybody that Chris Candy is 6 foot 8, former football player who will choke slam both of us into another network.

[Myron Metcalf]

As long as Chris Canty and I are not talking about the live tour, we're good. I just know with him, the live tour will cross the line that I can't.

[Matt Myron]

I just, I just want to be able to talk to him and explain this CMA Fest thing. It's not, it's not what it looks like.

[Myron Metcalf]

CMA is not a good look tour.

[Matt Myron]

But I bet you can't talk about.

[Myron Metcalf]

That with him more. Study boarding that Friday.

[Matt Myron]

Thanks for listening. Listening to Matt and Myron the podcast. You can listen to the show live every Sunday morning at 10am Eastern on ESPN radio, the ESPN app, and on Sirius XM channel 80. Matt and Myron, the podcast.

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