Hour 2: Just Ignore Him

Summary

Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron

Episode: Hour 2: Just Ignore Him
Hosts: Myron Medcalf, Matt Jones (Matt Yoder is Matt Jones under his preferred on-air name)
Date: February 15, 2026
Platform: ESPN Radio

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Episode Overview

Hour 2 of "Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron" is a fast-paced, conversational exploration of current sports headlines, focusing especially on the NBA All-Star Game and the tanking crisis, stories from across the sports world, and plenty of signature banter. This episode also features an engaging look at the Daytona 500, a lively Olympics rundown, and several moments of good-natured ribbing and personal asides between the hosts and their guests.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Super Bowl Halftime Show Recap (Bad Bunny Segment)

[00:28–02:28]

• The hosts kick off with reactions to Bad Bunny's Super Bowl halftime show.
  • Matt jokes about not understanding how influencer Alex Earl ended up on stage ("I still don't understand that." – [00:46]) and quizzes Myron on celebrity identities.
  • Myron confesses he's out of the influencer loop but loved the show's international flavor and the spectacle—with special props to the on-stage food vendors.
  • Notable banter: confusion over Ricky Martin vs. the Iglesias family ("Do you mean Ricky Martin? Not Ricky Iglesia." – Matt, [01:29]).

Memorable Quote:

"Bad Bunny was incredible, man. I thought that was a great show. I love the international flavor." – Myron Medcalf [01:50]

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2. NBA All-Star Game & the Tanking Debate

[02:28–11:27]

The Tanking Crisis

• A major topic is rampant tanking in the NBA, with specific mention of the Utah Jazz (fined $500,000 for egregious lineup manipulation) and Indiana Pacers (fined $100,000).
• League commissioner Adam Silver’s comments are played (see quote below) and dissected by the hosts.

Is Tanking Rational or Good for the Game?

• Matt argues that while tanking may be rational for teams, it's hurting the game's entertainment value for fans, especially when many teams engage in it at once ([05:15]).
• Myron counters that for some teams, it’s "necessary" to get better via the draft, noting the limitations of free agency for franchises like Utah.
• The conversation explores whether draft system changes—like a strictly random lottery among non-playoff teams—might reduce tanking incentives.
• They discuss how a uniquely strong draft class is exacerbating tanking this year (multiple potential superstars available), with the Jazz and others gunning for a top-4 pick.

Notable Quotes

"I would say his [Adam Silver’s] answer didn't really please everyone. ... The big story at the NBA All Star Game has been about tanking because there are some teams doing egregious tanking." – Matt Yoder [02:28]

"It's necessary though for the teams in that position." – Myron Medcalf [04:46]

"If the Jazz end up with the overall worst record, they're guaranteed to not be worse than 4th. And we know we have four potential superstars... you are guaranteed, Myron, you're definitely getting a superstar." – Matt Yoder [08:57]

Adam Silver Statement [03:25]:

"Doing whatever we can to remind them of what their obligation is to the fans and to their partner teams... There have been lots of different ideas out there over the years, not just necessarily changing the draft lottery odds yet once again, but looking at whether there’s a better system here to try to align incentives."

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3. Sunday Headlines Segment

[14:28–21:02]

With guest James, the hosts whip through fresh stories:

Anthony Kim's Comeback (Golf)

• Anthony Kim wins his first tournament in 16 years after a 12-year absence due to personal struggles.
• Matt calls it "probably the best thing that's happened to [the LIV tour] since they started" and one of golf's most amazing comeback stories ([16:13]).
• Myron reflects on the rarity of athletic returns after over a decade away.

Sacramento State Joins the MAC

• Sacramento State moves from FCS to the MAC as football-only member, a move puzzling due to massive travel implications between California and Midwest schools.
• Myron and Matt bemoan the wild state of conference realignment and the “arms race” among mid-majors to buy their way into new leagues ([17:54]).

Nick Castellanos Released for Beer Incident (MLB)

• Phillies' Nick Castellanos released after being benched for drinking beer in the dugout.
• The hosts joke about baseball’s history with vices, referencing the 1980s Mets and debating whether having a beer in-game is really so egregious in that sport ([20:14–20:38]).

NASCAR Daytona 500 Preview with Ryan McGee

[23:30–35:14]
See below for expanded section.

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4. The Daytona 500: State of NASCAR & Preview

(with ESPN's Ryan McGee) [23:30–35:14]

• McGee's Lee Greenwood Story: Humorous anecdote about a college film crew grievance with performing "God Bless the USA" repeatedly ([23:36]).
• State of NASCAR/Fan Disconnect:
  • Matt, a lapsed NASCAR fan, asks for a reason to tune in.
  • McGee says the current star drivers (e.g., Keselowski, Kyle Busch) are veterans seeking to add the Daytona 500 to their résumés, possibly for the last time.
  • Explains why longshot victories are common; the race’s last 10 laps are a “roulette wheel” due to constant late-race crashes ([32:31]).

Notable Quotes:

"The reality is... the last round of pit stops usually hits with about 40 laps to go. After that, no one has any idea what's going to happen... This race is a roulette wheel with 10 laps to go." – Ryan McGee [32:31]

"The momentum is finally, at least internally, headed in the right direction, because this has been the Hatfield and the McCoys for the last 18 months." – Ryan McGee, on NASCAR's recovery from recent controversy [30:42]

• Pick to Win: Ryan Blaney ("It's his turn."), with William Byron and Chase Elliott as dark horses ([34:05–34:29]).

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5. Olympics Roundup

[40:00–45:47]

• Matt recounts watching the Winter Olympics in Milan, including standout performances in cross-country skiing and speed skating.
• Both hosts laugh at the Norwegian skier who finishes races backwards to flex dominance—a move "worthy of a fight" if you lose to him ([41:14, 41:23]).
• Speed skating relay and its “butt push” handoff technique gets special mention ("team speed skating has an actual tush push" – Matt [42:13]).
• The “Quad God,” a hyped American figure skater, disappoints by falling during his routine. Myron discusses how falling in figure skating is more memorable than any trick pulled off ([43:13]).
• Curling drama! A Canadian player is accused of “cheating” by not letting go of the stone in time, leading to heated on-ice arguments and even some "boop" sound effect jokes ([44:55–45:39]).
• Myron gives a neighborly shoutout to Phil Drabnik, Team USA’s curling coach.

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6. Hosts’ Signature Banter and Blunders

[38:13–39:58]

• Myron’s humorous moment: He can’t identify an audio clip of his own interview with Purdue’s Braden Smith, mistakenly guessing it’s Sam Darnold.
  • Matt: "You didn't remember your own interview of a guy?" ([39:33])
• Lots of ribbing between Matt and Myron throughout, maintaining an irreverent, lightly combative tone.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (With Timestamps)

• On Bad Bunny and the Halftime Show:
  "Bad Bunny was incredible... I love the international flavor." – Myron Medcalf [01:50]

• Adam Silver on tanking:
  "There’s no doubt that’s affecting the behavior of our teams." – Adam Silver [04:26]

• On tanking in the NBA:
  "It’s necessary though for the teams in that position." – Myron Medcalf [04:46]

• Anthony Kim comeback:
  "An amazing comeback story, one of the most amazing ones I’ve ever seen in golf. The guy almost forgot how to swing and next thing you know, a few years later he's winning a tournament." – Matt Yoder [16:13]

• Conference realignment madness:
  "Who's paying the travel costs? Like who's sending mid-major Ohio schools to Sacramento?" – Myron Medcalf [18:52]

• On drinking in MLB dugout:
  "The stories you hear about baseball, like bringing a beer feels like a minor thing." – Myron Medcalf [20:25]

• On NASCAR's Daytona 500 unpredictability:
  "This race is a roulette wheel with 10 laps to go." – Ryan McGee [32:31]

• Olympic skier flexing:
  "If you ski backwards across the finish line and I'm in the race, we gotta have a conversation." – Matt Yoder [41:25]

• Hosts ribbing Myron over his own blunder:
  "You didn’t remember your own interview of a guy?" – Matt Yoder [39:33]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Time Range | |----------------------------------|--------------------| | Bad Bunny & Halftime Show | 00:28 – 02:28 | | NBA All-Star Game/Tanking | 02:28 – 11:27 | | Headlines (with James) | 14:28 – 21:02 | | NASCAR Daytona 500 (w/ McGee) | 23:30 – 35:14 | | Olympics Recap | 40:00 – 45:47 | | Myron’s Blunder/Banter | 38:13 – 39:58 |

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Conclusion

This hour of "Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron" deftly juggles the week's hottest sports topics with the hosts' lively humor. Insightful discussion on the complexities of NBA tanking blends seamlessly with lighter fare like MLB's beer incidents, NASCAR nostalgia, and the quirks of Winter Olympic sports. The blend of analysis, fan perspective, and friendly mockery makes the show engaging and uniquely informative for sports lovers and casual listeners alike.

Transcript

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[Myron Medcalf]

This is Matt and Myron, the podcast.

[Matt Yoder]

So we predicted early on what was going to happen. Bad Bunny came out. Everybody felt like they needed to tell their opinion. Byron, you did not, though. You didn't care about everybody's opinion.

[Myron Medcalf]

No, no, I was impressed. I mean, that was a great show and I didn't need to know what anyone else thought about.

[Matt Yoder]

How did Alex Earl get on stage? I still don't understand that. They had all these, like, all these celebrities and then she, like, they had all these, you know, Hispanic, Puerto Rican celebrities, and then Alex Earl was up there. How did she get up there?

[Myron Medcalf]

Well, Lady Gaga.

[Matt Yoder]

You know who that is, by the way?

[Myron Medcalf]

I don't know who that is.

[Matt Yoder]

Well, Lady Gaga at least performed. Alex Earl was the. She was like, just on stage. You don't know who that is, though, right? She's like, she's an influencer. She went to Miami. She was on Dancing with the Stars. She dated Braxton, Honey Nut Barrios. You don't remember? You don't know this her?

[Myron Medcalf]

I'm not in the. I'm not in the influencer world like you. I didn't. I didn't know. I noticed, like, Cardi B was in there. Like, it was interesting. You know, Ricky Iglesia singing, like, it was all really cool, man.

[Matt Yoder]

Do you mean Ricky Martin? Not Ricky Iglesia.

[Myron Medcalf]

Who's Iglesia? Who's the Iglesias? Julio Senior and Junior, right?

[Matt Yoder]

Yeah. He's like 90.

[Myron Medcalf]

He's a junior, though, too. Yeah.

[Matt Yoder]

I don't. I don't know if there's a Junior, but Ricky Martin was in Menudo and then he was like, Ricky Martin living the vita loca.

[Myron Medcalf]

Living that thing, right?

[Matt Yoder]

Yeah. Okay. That's him.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah. Bad Bunny was incredible, man. I thought that was a great show. I love the international flavor.

[Matt Yoder]

I was impressed by how much the sugar cane stalks got paid. Did you see to do that? They each got $1,000.

[Myron Medcalf]

How did they. Like, how did they do that? How could you see? I mean, how could you see through the.

[Matt Yoder]

I mean, I'm sure they figured that out. They probably had.

[Myron Medcalf]

I don't know, man. That was incredible for everybody to be where they were supposed to be. The dancing was flawless. I mean, that was just cool. And, you know, he used like a real lady food stand.

[James]

Like.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah, like so. I mean, their business is just going up over the last week. So I love when artists do stuff like that.

[Matt Yoder]

Yeah. Well, today you can tune in for the 75th NBA All Star Game live from Los Angeles. It's presented by. Indeed, coverage begins at 4 Eastern on most ESPN radio stations. I did get told the reason the All Star stuff got moved earlier and the reason tonight's All Star Game is moved earlier is because of the Olympics, because they're all on NBC. So that's why they, they changed the times. Now the big story at the, at the NBA All Star Game has been about tanking because there are some teams doing egregious tanking. Utah Jazz were fined $500,000 because they had a game the other night where they were winning and they took all their good players and just set them in the fourth quarter. Just didn't play so that they would lose. And they did. The Indiana pacers were fined $100,000 for sitting healthy players. And Adam Silver was asked about this yesterday. He was asked about what you could do about tanking. And I would say his answer didn't really please everyone. Here's what he had to say.

[Adam Silver]

Doing whatever we can to remind them of what their obligation is to the fans and to their partner teams. But number two, as I also said in that statement, the competition committee started earlier this year reexamining the whole approach to how the draft lottery works. And ultimately, any changes will require a vote of the board of governors. So it then will need to go in front of the board. But there have been lots of different ideas out there over the years, not just necessarily changing the draft lottery odds yet once again, but looking at whether there's a better system here to try to align incentives. I think when the point about this year, when you look at totality of the circumstances, I mean, of course I'm paying attention to what's happening. And the perception is you have a very deep draft class this year. A perception who know, who knows whether this will be the reality that the next two years draft classes aren't as good. There's no doubt that's affecting the behavior of our teams.

[Matt Yoder]

And he's exactly right. That's exactly what's happening. This draft is great. The next two may not be as great. So people are tanking. You said you were pro tanking. I took that to mean you understand why people tank. But I think you would agree it's not good for the game.

[Myron Medcalf]

It's necessary though for the teams in that position.

[Matt Yoder]

Like to me that's a different question though. There's a different question about whether or not it's rational for teams to do it. I agree with you. It is rational. But do you think it is good for the game of basketball for it to be happening?

[Myron Medcalf]

I don't think it's. It's as impactful as people are making it out to be. I don't think non taking Utah was an exciting team that people cared about. I don't think non tanking Utah was the class of the NBA and potentially a contender. If they just all really tried hard, it's.

[Matt Yoder]

I don't think they're a contender. But the question is when Utah plays San Antonio. If Utah was not tanking, I would like to see if Utah could upset San Antonio. Now there is no reason for me to watch a Utah game. Like there's no reason for me to watch another Utah game all year. And when it's one or two teams that's not a big deal. But when it's eight teams then on any given night maybe over half the games. Byron are not even worth considering watching.

[Myron Medcalf]

I mean Utah trying. Maybe it's a 15 point loss versus not trying and it's 25. I don't.

[Matt Yoder]

But they might.

[Myron Medcalf]

Here's the challenge.

[Matt Yoder]

In the NBA they could beat San Antonio in a one game scenario.

[Myron Medcalf]

But the challenge is if Utah doesn't put itself in a position to get better through the draft.

[Matt Yoder]

That's a different point though. It's a different point about whether it's rational. The question is should the league make rules that make it not rational? We all.

[Myron Medcalf]

I don't.

[Matt Yoder]

There are very few people who would say it's not rational to do. But isn't the problem that the league has created at something where it is rational to do. The league needs to do something to where it's not rational to tank.

[Myron Medcalf]

But I don't know what that can be based on the way that the system is set up.

[Matt Yoder]

Well that's what you change the system.

[Myron Medcalf]

But I haven't heard one idea that to me. Can I give you mine changes tanking. Sure.

[Matt Yoder]

There was a time in this league that if you didn't make the playoffs you were. It was just completely random who got the first pick. All the teams that didn't make the playoffs had a chance to get the first pick. We stopped that because that one year Penny and Shaq went back to back Number one. And people were like, well, we don't want that. But I would argue having Penny and Shaq on the same team was good for the league for a few years. Right. So I think you just say we're not changing the percentage odds at all. If you don't make the playoffs, you could get the first pick or you could get the last pick of the lottery. And thus your incentive. You have no incentive to. I guess there's an incentive to not make the playoffs, but once you're not in the playoffs, you're all equal. And so we're going to do it like that. What would be wrong with that?

[Myron Medcalf]

I don't know that anything would be wrong, but I think teams would have to make a decision. And would it be the same decision they're making now of, do we think we can somehow get into the playoffs, or are we better off being in a position to maybe have a shot at that number one pick?

[Matt Yoder]

And that's. And you're right that that is an issue. There could be a team that was like one or two games from the play in that would decide they didn't want to make the play. You would. And that might happen, but I think that would be better than eight or nine teams trying to be the absolute worst, wouldn't it?

[Myron Medcalf]

Yes. I also think we're making this the rule and not an outlier. I don't know that we've ever had this many freshmen who potentially could be stars at the next level.

[Matt Yoder]

I think.

[Myron Medcalf]

I think. I think this is an extraordinary draft, potentially, and people are doing extraordinary things that you don't see in normal years.

[Matt Yoder]

This is the first tanking in every year. We've seen tanking. We've seen more of it this year, but tanking has happened the last few years.

[Myron Medcalf]

Tanking has happened this year, but we haven't had a draft where you could say, okay, maybe I get Darren Peterson or A.J. deBonta, fine, that's a really good player. But you know what? Maybe I get Kingston Flemings or maybe I get Darius A Cup. Like, this is the first time you've had eight, nine, ten young guys where you go, you know what? If you fall to the back of the lottery, you could still get a really good.

[Matt Yoder]

Well, this is the first time where, for instance, having the definitive worst record is good. And what I mean by that is, if the Jazz end up with the overall worst record, they're guaranteed to not be worse than 4 4th. And we know we have four potential superstars. I mean, I think almost everybody would agree. Peterson, DeBonta, Boozer and Caleb Wilson are all definitive superstars. So you have a real incentive to be the worst team because then you are guaranteed. Myron, you're definitely getting a superstar. I think that's partially why you're seeing this. Do you agree?

[Myron Medcalf]

I agree. I mean, you know, most drafts there's one guy, maybe two, maybe two. And I think that's what makes this unique in terms of why they're doing these extraordinary things. I think with the Utah. Matt, how do they get better without the draft? Like, no one's going to sign.

[Matt Yoder]

But I would argue if you do it to where any team not in the playoffs has a chance to win the lottery, equal chance, then a, you're not going to end up in a situation like the NBA has where every year their number one pick goes to a horrible team. That's what's happening right now. And I don't know that that's good for the league either, really. You could end up with a situation where a team misses the playoffs by one game and then gets Darren Peterson and now they're, you know, a contender. I actually don't think that's the worst thing in the world. It's. I don't know that there's any way to get rid of tanking, but I think that would minimize it more than what we have. But there's also a part of this, at the end of the day, the players. And I'm pro player 98% of the time, but some of this is that the players and the coaches need to have pride to actually play. Because in the NFL, this doesn't happen. It doesn't. In baseball, it doesn't really happen. In hockey, it doesn't really happen. There's a pride in those sports that we're not going to go out there and just. But that. That's not the same in the NBA. And you're going to see it tonight in the All Star Game in the effort to. There is oddly this, at times, this culture of not caring, which I don't think exists in other sports. And I. I think ultimately it's up to the players, the coaches and the owners to actually do that. You can't force it. They gotta care. And some. Sometimes it's the players, sometimes it's the owners, sometimes it's coaches. But they have.

[Myron Medcalf]

I think what makes. They do. Sometimes what's unique is how early it feels like you're out of it.

[Matt Yoder]

That's true. That is true.

[Myron Medcalf]

And that's the baseball.

[Matt Yoder]

You know, in baseball, they're out of it. They're still trying to win. We will do some headlines stories from the other parts of sports. There's Snoop Dogg. He's everywhere. That's next here on Matt Myron.

[Myron Medcalf]

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[Myron Medcalf]

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[Matt Yoder]

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[Myron Medcalf]

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[Matt Yoder]

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[Myron Medcalf]

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[Matt Yoder]

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[Myron Medcalf]

The Sunday headlines.

[Matt Yoder]

This is where we let you know the stories behind the stories. And we've got James in here. Ready, James? What's up?

[James]

First we just have Myron do like an acapella version of.

[Matt Yoder]

No, it's good. I don't we. I don't. I don't want.

[Myron Medcalf]

I want. That wasn't even the original song, by the way.

[Matt Yoder]

I want people to think he's an adventurous homeboy and he's not. So go ahead.

[James]

I want to rob the people of getting to listen to him on Beat. All right. Anthony Kim won the live golf Adelaide on Sunday for his first victory in nearly 16 years, capping a remarkable career comeback with a closing nine under 63 for a three shot margin. The 40 year old American stepped away from competitive golf for 12 years when he struggled with drug and alcohol use. He needed to play a qualifying tournament last month just to get another season on the live tour.

[Matt Yoder]

This is an amazing story. I hate the live tour. All right. I hate it, hate it, hate it, hate it, hate it. With that said, this is probably the best thing that's happened to them since they started. Anthony Kim was, was a golfing sensation, star for a couple of years. I was at the Ryder cup in Louisville when he was part of the American team that upset the Europeans. And then drug, alcohol issues. It looked like he, he would shoot in the 80s, like he couldn't play golf anymore. Quits for like three years. Disappears. There were stories. Where is Anthony Kim? What has happened to this person comes back and today beat Jon rahm and Bryson DeChambeau to win the live tour event. It's, it's whatever you think about live and even whatever you think about Anthony Kim because he was controversial at times. An amazing comeback story, one of the most amazing ones I've ever seen in golf. The guy almost forgot how to swing and next thing you know, a few years later he's winning a tournament.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah, I mean you love hearing stories like this. I mean 12 years, I don't know that you've ever heard that in professional sports.

[Matt Yoder]

I can't think of one.

[Myron Medcalf]

You know, I can't think of a.

[Matt Yoder]

Person who was more out on his career and came back than this. Especially in golf.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah, I mean it's pretty remarkable to see and yeah, kudos to him and to be able to overcome everything he.

[Matt Yoder]

Overcame and good for Anthony Kim. One of my best memories is in 2008 when they win the Ryder Cup. Tigers hurt so Everybody dismissed the Americans. It was in Louisville. They win. And I have a great memory of Anthony Kim standing over the crowd shooting champagne. It was cool to see this morning that, that he won again. Who's next?

[James]

The Mac presidents voted to add FCS Sacramento State into the league as a football only member starting in 2026, sources told ESPN. The cost of entries is expected to be 18 million, a source said the deal is expected to be announced in the upcoming days. All in all, the total cost of entry expect to be around 23 million. Sacramento State would also need to pay 5 million to the NCAA to move up. Marks a significant move for Sacramento State. So it'll be the first west coast program to make the jump to the highest level of football and well over.

[Matt Yoder]

A generation, not just the first west coast program. The Mac is Myron in like almost all the schools are in Ohio. It's all in Ohio and Michigan, right? The Mac is like Toledo, Akron, Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan. And they just added Sacramento State in California. How is that a thing? Like Sacramento State will literally spend their entire year flying across the country. It's crazy, isn't it?

[Myron Medcalf]

Eastern Michigan, Ball State and India. I mean those are the kinds of teams they're going to play. It's ridiculous.

[Matt Yoder]

It's.

[Myron Medcalf]

It's also ridiculous that there are teams that are just coming up with a pool of money and trying to buy their way into leaks. They wanted to get into the Pac 12 initially. That was Sacramento's State's first push. And then the Mountain west and then finally settled on the Mac is. It's just wild how realignment is changing. SMU paid its way into the acc. Teams are trying to make sure they don't get left out in the cold. As everything changes in college sports in.

[Matt Yoder]

The last 12 months, this is what's happened. Northern Illinois. And I just want you all to think of a map. You probably know what a map of the United States look like. Think about where Northern Illinois is. I think it's in DeKalb, Illinois. They just joined the Mountain west. Okay? They left the Mac and joined the Mountain west and Sacramento State is now in the Mac. Wouldn't it have just made sense for Northern Illinois to stay in the Mac and Sacramento State to be in the Mountain West? Wouldn't that have made more sense?

[Myron Medcalf]

Who's paying the travel costs? Like who's sending like mid major Ohio schools to Sacramento?

[Matt Yoder]

Multiple Northern Illinois folks is in the. Northern Illinois is in the same conference as Hawaii. It's wild, man. That is wild. Who's next or what's next? Not who the.

[James]

Well, it is who. The Philadelphia Phillies released outfitter Nick Castellanos on Thursday after the team was unable to make a trade to deal him. Castellanos was benched last season after he made what the Phillies manager Rob Thompson described as a, quote, inappropriate comment after he was pulled for a defensive replacement in Miami. Castiano said in September the communication with Thompson had been questionable, at least in my experience. Cassiano side with the Padres yesterday, but before that, after he was released, he revealed that he was bench last season after bringing beer into the dugout during the game.

[Matt Yoder]

Yeah, so apparently when he got pulled from a game, Byron, he went in the back, got a beer and came and sat on the bench for the rest of the game drinking a beer. And that got him in trouble. Do you think you should get in trouble for having a brewski on the beer on the floor during a baseball game?

[Myron Medcalf]

I mean, baseball is righteous now. I mean, I don't know that that's the sport where that's kind of out of the ordinary. And we. I saw the 80s Mets, you know, I've seen a number of teams that probably did far worse than bring a beer. If you look at some of the.

[Matt Yoder]

Rumors and stories, is it why Tittle that has that famous picture of him smoking a cigarette during the game?

[Myron Medcalf]

I think so, yeah.

[Matt Yoder]

Whenever it's an old player, if I don't know who it is, I just say it's Y. Tittle.

[Myron Medcalf]

I think the stories you hear about baseball, like bringing a beer feels like a minor thing.

[Matt Yoder]

Yeah. In the 80s they were like snorting coke and the like women in the dugout. They had all the Mets.

[Myron Medcalf]

The Mets had all kinds of stuff going.

[Matt Yoder]

Women. They had women in the dugout.

[Myron Medcalf]

Go read. Go read Dale Strawberry's account of what happened during a game. One time with the Mets. And apparently there were some women.

[Matt Yoder]

Daryl Strawberry said there were women in the middle.

[Myron Medcalf]

Extracurriculars during a game.

[Ryan McGee]

Wow.

[Matt Yoder]

Who's involved here? Be careful. Don't say someone that's not.

[Myron Medcalf]

No, the Mets.

[Matt Yoder]

By the way, I'm not going to have you besmirching the name of Ray Knight like this on the. Don't you be doing that. Don't do it. The Daytona 500 is today the biggest race in NASCAR. It's a great American race and our patriotism will show through.

[Myron Medcalf]

Next, Matt and Myron, the podc.

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[Matt Yoder]

Is this like the official Ryan McGee entrance music on ESPN? I mean, it is the great American race today.

[Myron Medcalf]

Lot of information.

[Matt Yoder]

Aaron said that he listens to this every morning as he wakes up.

[Myron Medcalf]

A lot of infomercials.

[Matt Yoder]

It is Ryan McGee who's at the Daytona 500. Ron, you big Lee Greenwood fan?

[Ryan McGee]

I have. I have a Lee Greenwood story that I tell every year on Marty McGee on July 4th. And anybody that knows that story, the title of the story is Lee F. In Greenwood.

[Matt Yoder]

Okay.

[Ryan McGee]

It's okay. Yeah. No, it was when I was real quick. So when I was. When I was a student at University of Tennessee, I was on the film crew for the football team. And part of our job was at halftime, we would just lock off a camera wide shot and record the band, the marching band, so they could watch game film. But you supposed to turn the microphone off because there's a delay and all that. Well, we forgot to turn the microphone off and Lee Greenwood came out and sang with the pride of the Southland Tennessee marching Band. And when the pride of Southland sat down on Sunday night to watch film over every speaker as loud as possible, was us going, oh, my God, it's Lee F. In Greenwood again. Can't they get somebody else? I'm so sick of this song.

[Matt Yoder]

I'm with you. I can't stay. I'm going to be controversial. I can't stand that song, but go ahead.

[Ryan McGee]

Well, it just was so, so, so the leader of the band of Tennessee tried to get us all fire. We weren't. And, but, yeah, but every year I tell that story on July 4th from Marty McGee. And every year, every time, every time Lee Greenwood is anywhere, Branson, whatever, people text me pictures of them will Lee Greenwood.

[Matt Yoder]

So here's the thing, Ryan. When I was a kid at Middlesboro Elementary School, we started every day having to pledge allegiance.

[Ryan McGee]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Yoder]

Listen to the national anthem and listen to that stupid song, which to me did not need to be played every single day.

[Ryan McGee]

Yeah. At Travers High School and Travers, South Carolina, before every Devil Dog baseball game, they would play the Sandy Patty version of the national.

[Matt Yoder]

Not the Sandy Patty version.

[Ryan McGee]

She's a contemporary Christian artist.

[Myron Medcalf]

Right.

[Matt Yoder]

I went on a cruise with Sandy Patty. My mom took me on a Sandy Patty and Larnell Harris cruise to Alaska.

[Ryan McGee]

That. That song. That. And I love Sandy Patty. But that version lasted about seven and a half minutes. And that was a long time to stand in the outfield and wait to play.

[Matt Yoder]

But.

[Ryan McGee]

But yeah, I love America. I'm at the Great American Race, but I do, too. I'm a little tired of the Leger song.

[Matt Yoder]

That's got to be the first time Sandy Patty and Larnell Harris have ever been mentioned on ESPN radio. But that's okay, Ryan, because that's. You're on here. You're at the Great American Race. You know, we have a version of this conversation every year where I say, you know, I was used to be a huge NASCAR fan. Now I don't see it as much. But this year, give me a reason to get excited about the race today. Like just, just as a. As someone that used to be into it, now is the most casual possible.

[Myron Medcalf]

What are.

[Matt Yoder]

What's one or two storylines that will make me tune in for something except the last five laps, which I wouldn't miss regardless.

[Ryan McGee]

Well, so I had this conversation with a lot of people who say the same thing that you do because there are millions of people that were watching racing 20 years ago, you know, that aren't anymore. And what I say to you and what I say to them is the main storylines in this year's race, to me, are centered around names that you know because you watched 15, 20 years ago, but they're almost done. And Brad Keselowski has never won the Daytona 500, and he will be in this race with a broken leg. That's how much he wants to win this race.

[Matt Yoder]

A broken leg. Wait a minute. He has a broken leg?

[Myron Medcalf]

He's walking around with a camera in December.

[Ryan McGee]

Yeah, so he, he will literally, he told me yesterday, it hurts to walk to the car. It hurts to get in the car, but once he's in the car, he feels okay. And, but, but it's. It. But Kyle Busch, this will be his 21st attempt to win the Daytona 500. He's won 63 race. He's won championships at every level in NASCAR. He's won the Coke 600. He's won the Southern 500. He won every. He's done everything you can possibly do in this sport, except when this race. And he's driving for Richard Childress, who of course was a team owner for, for Dale Earnhardt all those years. But, but, but those, to me, that's the storyline. The storyline is kind of last gap. It's kind of last chance for, you know, some of the greatest that have ever done it, that have never won this race. And I think there's five champ former champions who've never won the Daytona 500 who were in this race. And so it's kind of go time. You know, if you're like me, you grew up. I remember Buddy Baker was like 0 for 18 and wanted to. And Darrell Wall Street, 17th try. Dill Earnhardt, you know, it was his 20th try. And so, you know, it's kind of the let. You don't need validation if you're Kyle Bush, but man, it would sure be nice to, to have the one thing left that's not on your other.

[Myron Medcalf]

Well, obviously. Big day. William Byron, right? That's a big name that I think everybody's paying attention to. Going for three minute.

[Matt Yoder]

What are you. You're reading this, aren't you?

[Myron Medcalf]

I'm not reading anything. I'm looking at you, William. You see how he cuts me off round when I'm, when I'm trying to have a good conversation about Daytona.

[Matt Yoder]

I was rolling.

[Myron Medcalf]

William Byron. Yeah. William Byron trying to win his third consecutive Daytona 500. Not going to be easy. A lot of wrecks on Thursday. People are thinking it's going to be an aggressive race. But if he got number three, what would that mean?

[Ryan McGee]

No one's Ever done it. This will be the 68th running of the race and last year and I can't. I might even said it to you guys. You're asking if I'm a sleeper pick. I'm like, nobody's talking about William Byron. And he won the damn race a year ago. And sure enough he came out of nowhere in overtime in extra laps to win the race a year ago and literally pulled into Victor Lane. I'm waiting to do SportsCenter. And he got out. Looked at me, he goes, well nobody saw that coming. And I think it included him. But if he were to win three in a row. So last year he became the fifth driver to win back to back Daytona five hundreds in the history of the sport. Only five guys that ever won it back to back. Richard Petty did it twice, but if he does three in a row, I think that's something that no one ever expected to see. And then we got a few of those. We got, you know, if Denny Hamlin wins this race, this will be his fourth win in the Daytona 500 which would tie him with Kale Yarborough for second all time. Richard Petty Again, Richard Petty won it seven times. But, but yeah there, there's. We have a chance to see some history but William Byron is a perfect example of, you know, it's what we're talking about. But people don't know the drivers now. And William Byron has, has been in the championship finals, you know, most of the last few years and he's won Back to back Daytona 500 and he's driving Jeff Gordon's old car, the number 24 car. Jeff Gordon boss now. And so people don't know these young guys like they should. But you know, if you went three straight, that's on a 500, you probably don't care what people think of.

[Matt Yoder]

I'm giving a hard time to Myron. But if you had asked me before you came on who won Last year's Daytona 500, I don't know that I would have remembered even though I know who William Byron is. And that's a sh. Because he's won back to back. Let me ask you, big picture, what is the health of the sport now? I don't want to just be one of these guys that was like I was better when I was young. I hate when people do that in other sports. So you're, you're in it. What is the overall health of the Sport as of 2026?

[Ryan McGee]

So if you'd asked me this question and I remember Marty and I did we did Marty. We always do. Marty McGee from the track. We did it here three years ago. We had Jeff Gordon on the show, and we all agreed that things felt good. Like, it felt like momentum was headed back in the right direction. And then in classic NASCAR faction fashion, they spent the last two years kind of just I mean. I mean, dropping a hammer on their own foot. You know, we just had an antitrust lawsuit with Denny Hamlin, a Hall of Famer, and Michael Jordan, and NASCAR had to settle. You know, but. But the problem is they waited till they got a weekend of the trial and all this dirty laundry was pulled out. And so everybody in the garage kind of mad at each other. And, you know, Greg Biffle, who I think will be in NASCAR hall of Famer, died in a plane crash right after the trial, was there with Danny Hamill's father, was killed in a house fire right after the trial. And so everybody. And there was this huge debate over how to determine who the champion is. And they've gone back to the old point system because after a decade, they figured out fans don't like this one. So I say all that to say, and I wrote a column about this on Monday. I've never been to a Daytona 500, and this is my 31st. I've never been the one where everybody's so anxious to just drop the green flag and get on with it, because I think that trial hung over everyone's head for the last two years, and the point system hung everyone's head for the last two years. And now all that's done. And so now I think it's a chance to get on with racing. And I say all that to say that I think the momentum is finally, at least internally headed in the right direction, because this has been the Hatfield and the McCoys for the last 18 months.

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[Matt Yoder]

Go ahead, Mark.

[Myron Medcalf]

Well, you would think that the driver that leads for the most laps would win the Daytona 500. That's only happened once in the last nine races. That was in 2020. Why is that? Why is it the guy leading the most laps taking the crown in this particular race?

[Ryan McGee]

This race is a roulette wheel with 10 laps to go.

[Matt Yoder]

Yeah.

[Ryan McGee]

And, you know. You know, to the point that was made earlier, you know, it's. It's 200 miles, you know, and there are 500 miles, 200 laps. But the reality is, is that. And the drivers will tell you this, the last round of pit stops usually hits with about 40 laps to go. And after that, no one has any idea what's going to happen. And over the last decade, what this race has become is it become at least a couple of big crashes inside the last 10 laps, and then there's overtime. Now we're running extra laps just so we can get a green flag finish. And so that's what happens, is that the guy who stays up front for most of the race, there's a bunch of other guys that are hanging back because they don't want to get caught in a crash early, but by God, they will go up there and call the crash late. And so the short answer is there's a couple of guys that want to lead laps early, and they just say, let's stay out front and stay clean. But the real contenders, a lot of them are hanging out in the back until it's time to go. And then once the mix starts, it gets a little nuts. And so that's why, you know, I go. So my routine is, as a writer, y' all appreciate this. My routine is, with about five laps to go, I leave the media center. I walk over to Victor Lane, because I do the Victor Lane interview. Sports center. And then I go back and write. And every year, I walk over with five laps to go, and that should take about five minutes. And I usually stand over for 45 minutes because there's at least a couple crashes and. And the guy we thought we were going to interview is not the one we end up interviewing.

[Matt Yoder]

Give me your projected winner quickly. And then a dark horse, I think.

[Ryan McGee]

Ryan Blaney, it's his turn. He's a champion. He is the coolest dude. Kurt Russell was just in the media center and even said that Ryan Blaney's tombstone mustache is better than Wild Earp's tombstone mustache. So I think Ryan Blaney is probably the favorite. And then for. For a dark horse, it's impossible to say, but William Byron, nobody's talking about him. And he's got. All he's done is won a lap.

[Matt Yoder]

You picked him last year.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah.

[Matt Yoder]

You picked him last. Chase.

[Myron Medcalf]

Elliot. Ryan, watch out for Chase Elliott. I like the way it's called, is.

[Ryan McGee]

One of those guys. He's one of those champs, just never won the race, and his dad's won it twice.

[Myron Medcalf]

So, yeah, I love you.

[Matt Yoder]

Listen to Myron. Listen to Byron.

[Myron Medcalf]

I'm asking good questions, right, Ryan? Like, I'm doing a good job.

[Matt Yoder]

I love listening to Myron.

[Ryan McGee]

My body wasn't pointing it out. Everyone at home would think you knew what you're talking about.

[Matt Yoder]

Yeah, he just. He thinks. He thinks Chase Elliot needs a round of applause and then everything will be, everything will be.

[Myron Medcalf]

That 31 degree bank is tough. It's going to be hard to get around it.

[Matt Yoder]

Thank you very much for your time.

[Ryan McGee]

See you boys.

[Matt Yoder]

Yeah, see you. Chase Elliot's cars. He's a little, it's a little tight, isn't it?

[Myron Medcalf]

Like the way it's running now, though.

[Matt Yoder]

It's gonna be, it's gonna be, it's gonna be tough for him. We, we will talk about the Olympics. Oh, man. Our American not didn't have a very good race. Jackson. We will talk about the Olympics and a lot more. That's next here on Matt Myron Radio.

[Myron Medcalf]

Matt and Myron, the Podcast.

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[Matt Yoder]

Foreign.

[Myron Medcalf]

This is Sunday morning with Matt and Myron on ESPN Radio and on the ESPN app, next one.

[Ryan McGee]

I mean, I just go out there, try to win. I try to get people in positions to be successful, score when I need to, and just try to stay solid overall. And that's just what I try to do.

[Matt Yoder]

Smalls went to the Suns game the other night, said she was impressed by with Colin Gillespie. Is there a chance they pulled a. Pulled a move and just found a Colin Gillespie audience?

[Ryan McGee]

That's nipple.

[Matt Yoder]

Mar and I both went basketball. All right, you want to go Sam?

[Adam Silver]

Go Sam.

[Michelle Smalls]

Sam Darnold.

[Matt Yoder]

So a couple nights ago on game night on ESPN Radio, Myron MedCap hosting with EMT golden, he asked in the Big Ten, what makes you the best guard? Braden Smith. And that's what. Braden to Myron McBrad. What are you doing.

[Michelle Smalls]

Myron?

[Matt Yoder]

Myron, Are you serious? He's in San Dardo. You did the interview.

[Myron Medcalf]

They shouldn't let me play this game.

[Matt Yoder]

Oh, my God.

[Michelle Smalls]

Myron, you asked the question.

[Ryan McGee]

I think the game's over. I think that's it.

[Matt Yoder]

I don't. Not my best. Forgive me. I don't understand what happened there. Explain to me what happened.

[Myron Medcalf]

So it was a game where you play sound from the week, see if you can identify who's talking.

[Matt Yoder]

Okay.

[Myron Medcalf]

And the sound was Braden Smith. It was me asking the question. So I had interviewed Braden Smith and I didn't remember.

[Matt Yoder]

You didn't remember your own interview of a guy?

[James]

It was his question, too.

[Matt Yoder]

That's pretty bad. And you guessed Sam Darnold?

[Myron Medcalf]

I guess. I guess.

[Matt Yoder]

Even though he's talking about the big ten. You thought Sam Darnold was still in the Big Ten? I didn't know, man.

[Myron Medcalf]

I didn't know. It's. It was hard to tell with the voice, man. It wasn't my greatest. Was my greatest day. I think. You know.

[Matt Yoder]

Yes.

[Myron Medcalf]

Radio, but well, that's okay.

[Matt Yoder]

We can't. We can't all be perfect. The Olympics. Okay. So have you ever. First of all, you ever been to Milan before, Myron? It's a beautiful place. You ever Been there.

[Myron Medcalf]

I got a buddy out there right now though, and he says it's gorgeous.

[Matt Yoder]

The Milan is amazing. It's beautiful. They've got the Duomo, which is this amazing, beautiful part of town. Great food, very, very attractive people because, you know, it's a fashion hub. So Milan's a great place. But this, the Olympics have been going on. I've been watching all of it. I'm trying to sort of get. I want to give you the highlights. For me, first of all, I think my best highlight so far has been the cross country skier, the Norwegian. I think his name is like Clacko or Clapo. There was a meme of him, like, going up that hill, like, I mean, he looked like a machine, didn't he?

[Myron Medcalf]

Six minute mile pace, which feels like the most challenging thing in the history of the planet.

[Matt Yoder]

And he just, and he just like, just toys with people. Like, he'll just stay close and in the last 200 meters, just like, just blow them away. And did you see the one race he finished backwards? He flipped around and skied across backwards.

[Myron Medcalf]

Which, I mean, if I'm only. We'd have to fight him. I mean, I think that's, that's warranted. Like, I don't think. I think that's when you gotta, you gotta take it to another level.

[Matt Yoder]

You gotta punch him if he skis back.

[Myron Medcalf]

If you, if you ski backwards across the finish line and I'm in the race. We gotta, we gotta have a conversation.

[Matt Yoder]

You got, you got a problem, right?

[Myron Medcalf]

100%. Take it to another level.

[Matt Yoder]

I also. One of the, one of the events I like is speed skating, the team relay. Because there's, it's just chaos. There's people skating everywhere. There's people skating in the rink, there's people skating on the inside. They. But push each other. Have you seen the butt push? I've seen that. They come up and rather than like hand a baton, they take you and they take your butt and they throw you forward. It's a, it's a butt push. So I thought football was the only one with the tush push. No team speed. Speed skating has an actual tush push, the butt push, and it's just absolute chaos. I enjoy that sport.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah, I'm a big speed scan. I think I told you I grew up near the Pettit center in Milwaukee. Was like the hub of speed.

[Matt Yoder]

You said that many times.

[Myron Medcalf]

I'm a big fan of the speed skating circuit. Although, you know what? Aaron Jackson I was rooting for didn't win.

[Matt Yoder]

Yeah, she didn't do well. What about the quad God was supposed to win easily and then fell a couple times. Didn't even try some of his. His. His stunts. People kind of say just completely broke down. Were you sad for the quad God?

[Myron Medcalf]

Is he the quad fraud now? I don't know. I wouldn't use that term. But I do. I do think. I do think he. People came up. People were saying that he was the most guaranteed gold medal we have. They were saying, like, this dude cannot lose. And I think he was 21 years old. You know what I mean? I could see you caving under the pressure of. Of that when that's sort of the narrative going in. So I actually felt bad for him to take on all that pressure.

[Matt Yoder]

But he still. He.

[Myron Medcalf]

Falling is, like, the worst thing you can do.

[Matt Yoder]

He hit the hardest one. The quad is the hardest part, but he hit it, and then it was the easy stuff. He didn't do well.

[Myron Medcalf]

But. But falling in figure skating, it feels like, is the most memorable thing that happens. Right? Like, that's the worst thing in all of the Winter Olympics. It's the thing we remember the most. Like, you have to fall.

[Matt Yoder]

I think falling off the ski jump would be the worst thing to have happen.

[Myron Medcalf]

I mean, has anyone. It hasn't.

[Matt Yoder]

Yes.

[Myron Medcalf]

But I mean, you remember people.

[Matt Yoder]

The agony of defeat. The agony of defeat on Wide World of Sports was. Was. It was falling on the ski jumps.

[Myron Medcalf]

Whatever I'm talking about in these Olympics. You remember when people fall in figure skating, and it's hard to get. People remember that for years. So I felt bad for him.

[Matt Yoder]

And then there's the curling drama. A Canadian curler was accused of cheating because he put his finger on the. The. The stone for a millisecond aft too long. So when you curl, you take the. First of all, I got pizza last night, and the dude there was one of these people. I don't know if you've ever watched them, but, like, they'll go. They'll watch a sporting event, and they decide they need to tell the whole restaurant what's going on. It's like, dude, shut up. You don't know anything about curling. But he was sitting there and he was talking about the stone. And then when. When you. When you go and you push the stone, you have to let it go at a certain thing. But they were saying he was cheating the system and using his finger to go just a little bit after he was supposed to let it go. And they were saying that little would actually make it a little, you know, it would make it cheat because he would. And then it would curl. And so, like, he ended up. I'm just explaining to people scientifically the boop. And then. So he would curl it. And then the other team said, you're a cheater, and he said, blank you. And it was complete curling madness. Did you enjoy that?

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah. I didn't know curling was heated like that. I mean, those dudes hated each other in curling. I will say if someone in any competition was like, boop, that'd be the end of it for me personally. Like, we'd have to stop the game. I will say shout out to Phil Drabnik, who is the head coach of the United States curling team, lives down the street from me.

[Matt Yoder]

Oh, does he close to you?

[Myron Medcalf]

Okay, shout out. Shout out to him.

[Matt Yoder]

Glad to hear that. He teaches his players to boop.

[Myron Medcalf]

That would start a fight, too. Like, I mean, you.

[Matt Yoder]

You can't.

[Myron Medcalf]

You can't boot me in a curling event, you know? I mean, that would start some drama, too, but they're intense, man. I didn't realize.

[Matt Yoder]

I thought they were gonna fight. I thought we were gonna have a curling fight. Me too, then. And I would have enjoyed it. So I've enjoyed the Olympics. A plus to. To everyone involved. And biathlon is about to happen right now. That's where you ski and then you shoot. Two things that I do very well. I now get to watch them go together. Now we're going to go back to the NBA All Star game, plus more people. Myron Metcalf knows that's next.

[Myron Medcalf]

Thanks for listening to Matt and Myron the podcast. You can listen to the show live every Sunday morning at 10:00am Eastern on ESPN Radio, the ESPN app, and on SiriusXM Channel 80. Matt and Myron the podcast from 30 for 30 podcasts.

[Matt Yoder]

Brian Pata, senior defensive lineman for Miami, gunned down the key to this case. It's Brian. An hour before he died, he was.

[Myron Medcalf]

On the phone arguing with somebody. This might be a hit.

[Matt Yoder]

You want the truth?

[Myron Medcalf]

They just want a conviction.

[Ryan McGee]

Being placed under arrest.

[Matt Yoder]

We had a killer amongst us.

[Myron Medcalf]

Murder at the U. Listen now.