Myron Metcalf (2:29)

What is that? What is that? What is that line from Forrest Gump? What Are y' all talking about, like, all of a sudden? Caleb Williams is this prodigy to everybody?

Matt Myron (2:38)

Firstly, it's not Forrest Gump. He's always had amazing athletic ability. He's always had good accuracy, etc. He just didn't always make the right decisions. And now Ben Johnson has helped him to where he's making the right decisions. I want to throw in the stat. He has thrown fewer interceptions than any player in history. With the amount of pass attempts he has, that's unbelievable.

Myron Metcalf (3:04)

And this is still a guy who could end his career not being a top three quarterback in his own class. There's still, to me, a lot of room for Caleb Williams to grow. It wasn't that long ago this season where people were questioning Caleb Williams and whether or not he was the.

Matt Myron (3:18)

You were questioning.

Myron Metcalf (3:18)

You kept asking me if I.

Matt Myron (3:20)

You kept asking me if I gave up on him, and I said no, Matt, stop.

Myron Metcalf (3:24)

Last year, yes, there were obviously offensive line issues with all the sacks, but we. We sat in that stadium and there were things that Caleb Williams was doing that a number one pick, the unanimous number one pick shouldn't be doing. Like, right now, if you told me I could have anybody from this class, he's not at the top of the list. I'm still taking Drake, May and Jaden Daniels. What was that?

Matt Myron (3:45)

You're still taking Drake, May and Jaden.

Myron Metcalf (3:46)

Daniels still to lead a franchise going forward. I'm still.

Matt Myron (3:49)

I mean, I understand Drake, May, but why Jaden Daniels?

Myron Metcalf (3:53)

Jaden Daniels is in the NFC championship game. Last year. He got hurt this year. That was his only penalty is he got hurt. Caleb Williams had a full showing a year ago. And again, a guy who could have been a number one.

Matt Myron (4:02)

Who's been better this year? Who's been better this year?

Myron Metcalf (4:05)

Jay Daniels has been hurt. Caleb Williams.

Matt Myron (4:08)

Why are you taking J. Daniels over Caleb? Caleb Williams been just as good this year as Jaden Daniels was last year.

Myron Metcalf (4:14)

No, Jaden Daniels was a better dual threat. I'm still taking Jaden Daniels. I think Caleb Williams. What?

Matt Myron (4:18)

He's not a better dual threat. He's not a. That's not true. He may be a better passer, but without question, Caleb Williams is a better dual threat.

Myron Metcalf (4:27)

I think Jaden Daniels. Just hear me out on this. Caleb Williams is getting credit for doing the things that we assumed he would do when he was a guy who could have been the number one pick after his junior season when he won the Heisman. So for me, this is a guy who is finally doing okay. You're doing what we thought you could do in years.

Matt Myron (4:45)

So why is that not better than Jaden Daniels? Why is that not better than what.

Myron Metcalf (4:49)

Jaden Daniels led his team to the NFC Championship game last year?

Matt Myron (4:52)

Well, first of all, you haven't given Caleb Williams a chance to do it might still happen. Fair enough. Like the game, haven't they haven't even played them yet.

Myron Metcalf (5:01)

Yes. If he, if he does that, we can have a.

Matt Myron (5:04)

Let's also remember his regular season record this year is better than Jaden Daniels was last year. Jayden Daniels did go on the run in the playoffs, but they didn't even win the division. This team has won the division in a division that people thought coming into the year might be the best division in football. The Bears have ended up winning. They lost their first two games, probably should have won one of those. He has been excellent. And that statistic about not throwing interceptions. There's been this interpretation of Caleb Williams as he's somehow been an out of control quarterback. He's actually been the most in control. He doesn't turn the ball over. He does take quite a few sacks, but he doesn't turn the ball over. He makes the right decision. And with Ben Johnson, I think he has been excellent. So in my opinion you didn't like him last year and are holding on to that opinion in another year even though the facts have changed.

Myron Metcalf (5:55)

You always say this like word. It's never like for me, it doesn't matter if I like her.

Matt Myron (6:01)

At the end of the day, you.

Myron Metcalf (6:02)

Know that this was a guy who was the number one pick for two consecutive years in college. There was literally no debate. It was on that.

Matt Myron (6:09)

Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning and now he's playing like that. He's playing like that.

Myron Metcalf (6:15)

100%. Ben Johnson has been the right guy to get the most out of Caleb Williams. I give him full credit for that. Ben Johnson to be coach of the year. I think no one would argue against that. The Bears have been a remarkable story. Well, all those things are true.

Matt Myron (6:30)

Let's talk about Kyle Shanahan on this point. He talked this week about how talented Caleb Williams is. Caleb is one of the best throwers.

Myron Metcalf (6:38)

Most athletic quarterbacks I've ever seen in terms of his height, weight and speed.

Matt Myron (6:42)

He makes some big time throws, extremely scary on the perimeter, can hold on to the ball for a while, not in a bad way, but by creating stuff which makes coverages have to hold up forever.

Myron Metcalf (6:52)

And when you have a talented guy.

Matt Myron (6:53)

Like that who's got the speed and the size, usually they get a run.

Myron Metcalf (6:56)

Game, get Some bootlegs and play actions off of it. You limit how many times you got to drop back, and it makes sense why he's playing at such a high level.

Matt Myron (7:04)

So there you go. You want to argue with Kyle Shanahan if you don't believe me.

Myron Metcalf (7:08)

No. Kyle Shanahan is one of the great analysts when it comes to young talent. Sincerely, Trey Lance. Right. So, like, at the end of the day, I think. I think, fine. This is what coaches say before they faced a good young quarterback at the end of the day, right? What are you supposed to say?

Matt Myron (7:28)

Every coach plays. You told me just a little while ago that you thought Kyle Shanahan was like the greatest coach in the world. And now because I think he could be coaching, you're going to throw a Trey Lance thing at him, like just. Just a cheap shot.

Myron Metcalf (7:40)

Listen, I think he's coach of the year, but let's slow down on him saying, this is the best I've ever seen. When we all witnessed what happened with Trey Lance, right? Like, everybody slow down a little bit. This is what coaches say before they face a talented young quarterback. That's respect. I get it. But at the end of the day, let's see what happens in the playoffs. I think that's.

Matt Myron (7:59)

Let me tell you why I think this game is important for the Bears. Okay? The Bears, if they could be a one seed and force these teams, specifically San Francisco and Seattle, to come to Chicago and play in the cold, I think that would be very important. There's also a thing about if they're the two seed, and it's very likely their first game will be against Green Bay. We know the history of the Chicago Green Bay series. I know they won the last time, but if you get a healthy Jordan Love, I bet you, if you're honest, I bet if the Bears are honest, they probably would rather play someone that isn't Green Bay in that first game. But if you can get to the one seat, then not only may you would you potentially be playing in Chicago, you'll get the winner of, like, Carolina or Tampa Bay and then San Francisco, but you'll get them in Chicago. I think, you know, for these teams that play outside in cold weather, getting the games at home in January, Myron, I think matters a lot.

Myron Metcalf (8:59)

Yeah, I mean, I think that's why today matters. I mean, you're talking about the difference potentially from being a number one seed and maybe having to play in Carolina. I think there are three places where if they get the one seed, it's very hard to win. LA obviously is in the running. I don't think it's hard to win in LA because their games are usually the opposing fans anyway. Seattle's a very difficult building to play in because of the noise. It's hard to win in San Francisco. And to your point, I think it'll be very hard to win in Chicago in early January, late December. So I think that's why this game matters a lot too.

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It is Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio, presented by Progressive Insurance. You know, football is of course, what most of us focus on, at least the NFL. But you know, there's a lot of other stuff going on in sports and we need to make sure you know it. That's why we have Sunday headlines.

Myron Metcalf (11:25)

The Sunday Headlines.

Matt Myron (11:27)

Let's get going. We've got Evan in here to let us know what's happening. Evan, what's on the what's in the news?

Producer Evan (11:34)

Yeah, Michigan hired former Utah coach Kyle Whittingham to replace Sharon Moore. Whittingham gets a five year deal. It averages $8.2 million per year, according to Pete Thamel and Dan Wetzel of ESPN Whittingham was planning to coach in the Las Vegas ball for Utah after, quote, stepping down as their coach, but said he had no plans to retire. In fact, he joked about entering the transfer portal. Now he lands at Michigan. Myron, is this a home run?

Myron Metcalf (12:03)

Not a home run. I think it's a good hire. It's a great hire for what they want to do in the near term, which is change the culture, make sure you have a head coach who is not on the dating apps before games. I think he fits that description, but he's also like a west coast dude, man. California guy, coached at Utah for 30 years versus an assistant, did a head coach. He should be Utah's head coach. I think it's harder to come to Michigan and go restore the culture and build a contender. That. That is a taller task.

Matt Myron (12:32)

Yeah, I disagree. I mean, when you consider what happened to Michigan, losing the coach like they did in the manner they did then what happened in terms of the end of Harbaugh, then where it is in the calendar, I think Kyle Whittingham is kind of a home run. They could have done a lot worse. Now, I will say this. Whittingham is one of these guys that the media likes. So they do like over exaggerate how good he is because they like him.

Myron Metcalf (12:54)

I don't lie.

Matt Myron (12:55)

That always annoys me. Sometimes you'll be like, why do these coaches, why does these coach get so much praise? And then you go, they go out to dinner with the, with the media that he's one of those dudes. But with that said, considering who Michigan could have ended up with, I actually think it's pretty close to a home run. Higher. What's next, Evan?

Producer Evan (13:13)

Steve Kerr and Draymond Green got into a little scuffle verbally on the bench the other night in Monday's warriors win against the Orlando Magic. Here's Steve Kerr explaining what happened.

Matt Myron (13:28)

We got into it, obviously, and. And you know, I took the time out just because I thought we lost our focus there a little bit. And so we had it out a little bit. And, you know, he made his decision to go back to the locker room to cool off. And that's all I'm going to say about it. It's everything. Everything is private. I got nothing further to add.

Myron Metcalf (13:46)

Would you. I mean, he didn't play the last 20 minutes. Would you have gone back to.

Matt Myron (13:49)

No, no, he wasn't.

Myron Metcalf (13:50)

He wasn't going back in. And was that a decision by him or you?

Matt Myron (13:54)

Well, he left.

Myron Metcalf (13:54)

He left.

Matt Myron (13:55)

He went back to the locker room.

Producer Evan (13:57)

On Tuesday, Kerr took responsibility and said it wasn't his finest hour. Matt, who's to blame here?

Matt Myron (14:04)

First of all, what year is this? I feel like we've done a version of this story for the last seven seasons, right? So here's the way I look at it. Steve Kerr has a lot of players. This seems to only happen with Draymond Green, right? So, I mean, I'm sure Steve wasn't innocent. It takes two to tango. But I'm on blame Draymond Green. I don't. To me, Draymond Green seems like the least likable person in the NBA. There's this clearly this sense that when he's done, he's going to join inside the NBA. I'm going to go on record now and say, I think that's a mistake. Those. Those guys are likable. I do not think Draymond Green seems likable. And. And I'm. My tendency is to say it's Draymond Green's fault because he fights with everybody. Like, if you fight with everybody at some point, it's on you. At some. You know, it isn't always the other guy's fault.

Myron Metcalf (14:57)

Yeah, I blame Steve Carr. I mean, you know, if you got a kid and he's nine years old and doesn't listen and you don't care, you let him have ice cream for three meals a day, all right? And now that kid's 16 and just terrible to deal with. Like, that's the Draymond Green situation.

Matt Myron (15:11)

Mid 30s. The problem is Steve Kerr has participated.

Myron Metcalf (15:15)

In coddling Draymond this entire time. And I think that's part of the problem. Here's the reality. Draymond is a throwback, a first ballot hall, hall of Famer. He should one of the great defensive players we've ever seen. Well, he will be. And he should be one of the first. One of the best defensive players we've ever seen. At the same time, the antics are suddenly becoming a headline because he's not as good anymore. And all of a sudden, they've always been cost.

Matt Myron (15:40)

He cost his team a title by punching LeBron James. Just a fact. He did.

Myron Metcalf (15:45)

It's a fact. He's still gonna be a first battle hall of Famer.

Matt Myron (15:49)

Maybe so, but that's because we tend to like, hyper exaggerate the. But Steve Kerr has to control his team.

Myron Metcalf (15:56)

Steve Kerr has given Draymond a lot of passes over the years that have led to this. It's not like this just started with that moment on the Bench.

Matt Myron (16:03)

I understand, but still, if you want to say Kerr has a secondary responsibility for the reasons you say, maybe I'll agree with you. But the person who does it is the prime. This man in his is in his mid-30s. We are not talking about a kid. We are talking about a grown man who can rent a car and who could be president of the United States. Age wise, I'm not going to be like, well, he was coddled when he was younger and he didn't grow up. He's 30. What is he, 35. But.

Myron Metcalf (16:36)

But he's on the roster, isn't he? So at the end of the day, you're talking about a head coach who has allowed some of this stuff for far. For too long. I mean, at the end of the day, that's a part.

Matt Myron (16:46)

You said he was on the Golden State. What?

Myron Metcalf (16:49)

Warriors?

Matt Myron (16:50)

No, you said he was on the raw.

Myron Metcalf (16:54)

Roster, the Rollster roster. Roster.

Matt Myron (16:58)

There you go. I love the way you say things, Rolster. I've never heard.

Myron Metcalf (17:03)

I love how you had 32 letters in your Alphabet growing up. You always me how to pronounce stuff.

Matt Myron (17:11)

You're free to make fun of my accent. What was it we were saying during the game? And my accent got oh. I said the Western Kentucky Hilltoppers. And I said Western Kentucky. Heel Toppers.

Myron Metcalf (17:24)

Heel Toppers.

Matt Myron (17:25)

My mountain came out in that one too. What's next?

Producer Evan (17:28)

Yeah, Myron mentioned 9 year olds. Speaking of them, JJ Redick made his 9 year old and 11 year old kids write persuasive essays to earn their Christmas gifts. The Lakers coach and his wife Chelsea told their sons Kai and Knox they would need to write the essays explaining why they should read their biggest gift quote from Reddick. I thought my 9 year old really knocked it out of the park. Knox, who's 11, received an Apple watch. Myron.

Myron Metcalf (17:59)

I wish I didn't know as much as I do about JJ Redick. I feel like this year I've learned a lot about him that I just don't need to know. And I don't know if someone thought this story would help his cause because.

Matt Myron (18:14)

He didn't have to.

Myron Metcalf (18:15)

It doesn't at all.

Matt Myron (18:16)

You didn't need to share this, JJ like there's some things you keep to yourself, you know. J.J. redick was at Duke. He was the least liked player. He's one of the least like players in college basketball history.

Producer Evan (18:25)

This sounds like something somebody that went to Duke would do.

Matt Myron (18:27)

No, that sounds. Am I right, Matt? As someone who went to Duke, I could see, look, there were nerds everywhere. I mean, remember, I was there, okay? I saw it all. There were nerds everywhere. I'm just telling you, J.J. redick was the least liked person in college basketball. Then he went to the NBA, and he kind of rehabbed his image. People thought he was fun. This is the JJ Reddick from Duke. Hello, children. Please write a persuasive essay as to why Santa should come. That's how you make children to where when they get to dealing with other people, people are like, goodness gracious, keep this person away with me. I'm sure his kids are going to be wonderful. But, jj, be normal. Don't make your kids write, like, legal arguments to Santa. Just give them the stupid Apple watch and be a normal person.

Myron Metcalf (19:12)

Well, it is always people who are rich who want to pretend like their kids got to earn everything. Like. Like, yeah, write a persuasive essay as you walk into that 10, you know, room, mansion or whatever. Like, what are we doing, man? Let them have the apple watch you.

Matt Myron (19:25)

You're gonna get a job at, like, Black Rock anyway. So, like, just. Let's. Let's not through the. Let's not go through the. Go through the.

Myron Metcalf (19:33)

You have to make them struggle to feel like he earned it, right?

Producer Evan (19:37)

Speaking of gifts, Joe Burrow gifted his offensive lineman authentic dinosaur, bear, and mammoth fossils. Burrows. Love of fossils gained national attention during a clip from the Netflix series quarterback in 2024. Last year, Burrow and a few of his teammates went to the Field Museum in Chicago and observed several rare fossils. So this is the direction he went for his Christmas.

Matt Myron (20:02)

Nobody wants that.

Producer Evan (20:03)

What do you guys think?

Matt Myron (20:03)

All right, Joe. Nobody wants it. First of all, they're all going to that stupid museum just to appease you. No, none of those guys want to go to the fossil museum. So give them a Rolex. That's what they want. Nobody wants a stupid fossil. All right? Nobody wants that, Joe. That's one of those hobbies that, like, you're making people like. Like, Myron, I like the TV show the Gilded Age, but if I gave everybody on the staff Gilded Age T shirts, they'd be like, all right, Matt, whatever, and then walk out of the room. That's how they are with their fossil watches.

Myron Metcalf (20:33)

I mean, I'll push back a little bit. I followed this dude on Twitter who's telling everybody to invest in baseball cards, crypto and fossils in 2026. He's saying that they're not making any more of them. I don't know, just Twitter saying, like, that's where you should invest.

Matt Myron (20:49)

Who do you follow? Whose investment advice is baseball cards?

Myron Metcalf (20:52)

I just put out a video. Just put out a video said crypto baseball cards and dinosaur fossils.

Matt Myron (20:58)

So what are his qualities?

Myron Metcalf (20:59)

Maybe I don't quite know that. I just watched the video. Sometimes.

Matt Myron (21:07)

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Matt Myron (22:35)

Do you know the largest attended event ever in the history of the Superdome? 87,000. We're here for a Rolling Stone. Would you go to a Rolling Stones concert?

Myron Metcalf (22:46)

Oh yeah, I go to Stones concert.

Matt Myron (22:48)

What's your favorite Rolling Stone song?

Myron Metcalf (22:51)

That one they did some years ago.

Matt Myron (22:54)

I don't remember that.

Myron Metcalf (22:55)

No. You know, with the guitars and stuff.

Matt Myron (22:57)

Not start me up. Micah Davis. Micah Davis is hoping you'll start him up, but he is in the end zone. You like that one, didn't you? But the kickoff goes into the end zone and Southern Miss will take over. Can you name three Rolling Stone songs? I don't think you can.

Myron Metcalf (23:11)

Oh, man, I could. I could name Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun D. That song.

Matt Myron (23:16)

It's not.

Myron Metcalf (23:17)

It is.

Matt Myron (23:17)

It's not a recognizable song.

Myron Metcalf (23:19)

I wasn't prepared for you to ask me about Rolling Stones songs.

Matt Myron (23:23)

You need to be prepared.

Myron Metcalf (23:24)

I know. At halftime.

Matt Myron (23:30)

Yeah. So Myron didn't really know Rolling Stone songs. There's more of that clip that we could have played. Finally, he named his favorite Rolling Stone song. And your answer was highway to Hell, which is not a Rolling Stone song. And when I told you that, then you go, I mean, excuse me, Proud Mary, also not a Rolling Stone.

Myron Metcalf (23:50)

So. No, it was Give Me Shelter. I told you how I got that confused. On Gimme Shelter. It's the same background singer as there is on Proud Mary. There's a documentary, but also Proud Mary.

Matt Myron (24:05)

First of all, how does Give Me Shelter go?

Myron Metcalf (24:07)

Mike, Give Me Shelter. Satisfaction. I can't.

Matt Myron (24:12)

But that's not the same song. How does you. You said your favorite was Give Me Shelter. How does that go?

Myron Metcalf (24:22)

That's that song. I know that song. I've seen a documentary about how that song was made. It was made at 2am in London and they called this background singer who was at her hotel to sleep. They're like, we need you to sing the chorus for this song. And that's how it came together. Yes. The woman on this song who sings background was asleep in London at a hotel. They wake her up. They're like, we need you the only one that can do this.

Matt Myron (24:46)

Why couldn't they do it the next morning?

Myron Metcalf (24:49)

Because they were like in song mode. 2:00am she gets out of bed and she goes to the studio and they make this song.

Matt Myron (24:57)

I don't know if I believe this story. 888 say ESPN. Is Dr. Pepper calling line good? It was. It was good at the. At the New Orleans bowl to learn about Ryan's or, excuse me, Myron's unknowable Rolling Stones history. But you did. I will say get something right. Maybe they'll play that later. You knew that about the Pope, which I was very impressed. You were? I was very shocked. The Steelers and the Browns play today. If the Steelers win, they will clinch the division over the Ravens and eliminate Baltimore from playoff contention. However, if they lose, it'll be a winner take all game for the division at home versus the Ravens next week. I have to tell you, Myron, I tend to not care who wins games outside of my Chicago Bears. I'm all in on rooting for the Browns today because I really want to see Steelers Ravens for the division. To me and the playoffs. To me, that is the NFL at its finest. And getting that in week 18 would be great for the sport and a game I would not miss.

Myron Metcalf (26:00)

I actually don't think you want to see Steelers Ravens as much as you want to see the Ravens knock Aaron Rodgers out of the playoffs. Yeah, that's really why I'm watching But.

Matt Myron (26:12)

I mean, you know, listen, I love the Bears, and people always will try to tell you the Bears, packers is the best rivalry in football, but for my money, in the last 25 years, it's been Steelers, Ravens, and I just feel like you get Steelers, Ravens with the, with the playoffs on the line, even in their different form that they have now. I just think that's like the NFL at its absolute best, don't you? Yeah.

Myron Metcalf (26:36)

And I think there's a lot of storylines, right. What, what happens to both coaches in, in that situation with Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh, like, what's the future there? You. You look at the quarterback situation. Lamar Jackson, will he be healthy in that scenario? Aaron Rodgers obviously is done. What happens next for the Steelers? So I think a lot of big questions for those teams after that game, but Cleveland has to do their part to make that a reality.

Matt Myron (27:02)

All right? So to make that happen, Miles Garrett is going for the sack record. He's one. He's a half a sack away from what Michael Strahan and T.J. watt did. He's at 22. The record is 22.5. There are people out there that are saying, and I think these people are wrong, but they are saying that he needs to do it today so that he does it in the same amount of games that Strahan and Watt did, because obviously they have one more game now than they did then. Do you agree or disagree with that view?

Myron Metcalf (27:31)

Yeah, I mean, I think you avoid the controversy if you do it today. So I think if you're, if you're Myles Garrett, I bet he puts that pressure on himself. I bet he feels like, get it done today and then you don't have to worry about it. I think T.J. watt, for me, is always gonna have the record because he did it in 15 games. Like, he wasn't completely healthy that season and still did it. So. But I think you do it today and then you avoid the. Okay, he needed 17 games versus the other guys.

Matt Myron (28:04)

Yeah, I don't care. The season has changed over the years. Used to only be 14 games. Does anybody ever say, what's the 14 game sac. Rick record? You ever hear that conversation? Who has the 14. Who has the 14 games?

Myron Metcalf (28:17)

Well, not this. Not the sack record, but I think, like, you know, so who has the.

Matt Myron (28:22)

Give me. Who has the 14 game pass record?

Myron Metcalf (28:25)

I. I don't know. I can tell you the 14 game rushing record is O.J.

Matt Myron (28:29)

Simpson. Okay, so. And I. Because of things that happened after his.

Myron Metcalf (28:33)

Career, but I know I just I know that because of.

Matt Myron (28:38)

I'm just saying Nobody knows the 14 game record. Just like nobody knows the 154 game baseball records. Nobody cares about that. So people care about it in the moment because it has something for you to talk about. But in the long run, nobody cares. So to me, if Myles Garrett gets it in 16 or 17, to be quite frank with you, in three years I won't be able to remember who has the sack record anyway. So it probably like I didn't know. I'll be quite honest with you, I didn't remember JJ Watt tied Michael Strahan. So honestly, this will not be something that I remember fondly either way.

Myron Metcalf (29:10)

Yeah, but Steelers fans are never going to give Miles Garrett that record over T.J. watt. I mean, T.J. did in 15 games, but if it takes Miles Garrett 17, I think there will be some fans who are like, that's not the real record.

Matt Myron (29:21)

Steelers fans don't.

Myron Metcalf (29:22)

And that's okay.

Matt Myron (29:23)

Chador Sanders did an interview with Kimberly Martin or is Myron or apparently so her nickname. Does she have a nickname? Kmart is Kmart.

Myron Metcalf (29:32)

Kmart.

Matt Myron (29:33)

Never heard that. Haven't been to Kmart in a long time. Are there still Kmarts?

Myron Metcalf (29:38)

They're floating around.

Matt Myron (29:39)

Are they floating around?

Myron Metcalf (29:40)

Okay, Yeah.

Matt Myron (29:41)

I went to Morristown, Tennessee, by the way, this weekend and saw a Captain D's and a Shoney's and I have to tell you, I didn't know either of those were still in existence. And they found a Shoney. I found a Shoney's and a Captain D's both open in Kmart 2020 close by.

Myron Metcalf (29:58)

You just didn't know there was a Kmart.

Matt Myron (30:00)

I did see a rose.

Producer Evan (30:04)

There are three remaining Kmarts in, in the world.

Matt Myron (30:08)

Where are they?

Producer Evan (30:09)

The US Virgin Islands, Guam and Florida.

Myron Metcalf (30:13)

Of course Florida has one.

Matt Myron (30:17)

That's a funny trio to me. The US Virgin Islands, Guam and. Oh yeah, there's one left in Florida. Where in Florida do we know where one is?

Producer Evan (30:25)

Kendall Lakes.

Myron Metcalf (30:27)

Can't you see Florida does not get in the corporate memo.

Producer Evan (30:29)

Miami did.

Myron Metcalf (30:33)

Can't you see Florida's came out just ignoring the corporate memo to shut down. They just, they just kept operating.

Matt Myron (30:39)

Good for you. Kendall likes. Well, while we play this interview with Shador. Look up for me, Evan, how many shownies are left? Because there can't be many. And this is Shador with Kimberly Martin.

Matt Myron (30:49)

Shador, last night your former teammate Snoop Huntley said after the Ravens win that he was going to call you, make sure you took care of business today. I want to know. Have you heard from him yet?

Shador (31:00)

Actually, I caught him when I woke up this morning. I'm like, dang, you still up? He was like, yeah, bro, I'm excited. He's excited to see me go out there and play. But, nah, I didn't even know you said that. I told him I was. I watched like a drive and I went to sleep.

Matt Myron (31:13)

Now I know the last time the Browns faced the Steelers, you were not the starter, Dylan was, and Kevin was the one calling plays. Is there an inherent advantage to that Steelers defense not having faced you yet?

Shador (31:24)

No, I think. I think how they're going to attack me is just how they're going to attack me. I'm excited for it. I'm ready for the challenge and I'm extremely excited for it.

Matt Myron (31:33)

Now, you talked each week about the process of getting better each week and learning what is going to be the key for you today to be successful against the Steelers.

Shador (31:42)

Just get positive yards, limit negative plays. That's pretty much it.

Matt Myron (31:46)

Now, last question. Aaron Rodgers has said that he followed your career from Colorado. Jackson states of Colorado that he was rooting for you along the way. Twenty years ago, he played against your dad in a half of football. I'm curious, what are your early thoughts on facing off against a Hall of Famer in Aaron Rodgers?

Shador (32:03)

Extremely excited. He facing off as our defense, and I'm facing off as their defense. So you don't really look at. I don't really look at matchups like that. You know, I go out there, do my job and not to think too much of it.

Matt Myron (32:14)

Is there something about, you know, the other quarterback played against your father 20 years ago that's pretty. That's pretty unique and special.

Shador (32:22)

It's nice. But we got a lot of old people in our locker room, so it'd be surreal all the time. So, you know, I'm just 23. You know, just 23, having fun.

Matt Myron (32:36)

We got a lot of old people in our locker room, too.

Myron Metcalf (32:40)

You could tell Shador things like, you're either 25 to Shadour or you're 62. Like, he doesn't know.

Matt Myron (32:46)

There's no in between. We got a lot of old people in our locker room, too.

Myron Metcalf (32:51)

He. Well, I will say I was like.

Matt Myron (32:54)

You know, I'm only two years. I realized this, this weekend to just try to relate to Shador. I realized two weeks this weekend, I'm only two years younger than Blanche was on the first episode of the Golden Girls. How about that?

Myron Metcalf (33:12)

Why do you think of stuff like that?

Matt Myron (33:14)

Cause I can't so you were at.

Myron Metcalf (33:16)

Home one day, and you were like, let me. Let me look up how old Blanche was on the Golden Girls in the first place. But I just thought when I was.

Matt Myron (33:25)

Younger, I thought Blanche was, like, 90. She was supposed to be the saucy, like, sexy woman from the Golden Girls. And when I saw that, I'm two years away from Blanche now, I think, no offense to Blanche, she looked good for the Golden Girls. I think I look younger than Blanche. But it does sort of make you realize, like, you're older than you think you're. You're, like, in Blanche territory.

Myron Metcalf (33:51)

And you really thought this out. Like, this was.

Shador (33:52)

This was something.

Matt Myron (33:53)

You think about it as I was. I did. Yes, I did.

Myron Metcalf (34:00)

And I'm the ran.

Matt Myron (34:01)

Did you get me? Did you get me how many showings there are, Evan, left in America?

Producer Evan (34:04)

Yeah. I counted the map of the United States, and I got 20, including two in Kentucky. Oh, there's two in Kentucky, Louisville and Elizabeth.

Matt Myron (34:14)

One in Louisville. Close. That's not an updated map. What's the other one?

Producer Evan (34:17)

Are you sure?

Matt Myron (34:19)

Yes, it closed. I was a big day here when it closed about six months ago.

Producer Evan (34:23)

Oh, okay. According to the map, it's still open. There's also one in.

Myron Metcalf (34:28)

Maybe somebody's running, like, an underground operation that's not on the books.

Producer Evan (34:32)

There's also one. Sorry. There's also one in Elizabeth, and there is actually another one in Glasgow.

Myron Metcalf (34:39)

I want to go to that off the book Shoney.

Matt Myron (34:40)

Okay, I'm sorry. I have to tell this story quickly, and then we'll go to break. I know we got to go to break. This is a true story about the Elizabethtown Shoney's. Myron, one time when we won the national. Kee won the national championship. They took a bus tour of the state, okay. And they invited me on John Caliperi, Anthony Davis, the whole team, right? We stop. We're going from one city to the other, and we stop because Caliperi needs to use the bathroom. And we stop at the Elizabethtown Shoney's. Okay? I run in first because he asked me to see how many people are there. I run in, and the manager of the store comes out and says, who's in the bus? And I was asked. I was like, actually, John Calipari. He needs to use your restroom. Is that okay? And he goes, well, why is he here? And I was like, he has to use the restroom. He goes, oh, I thought he'd heard about our new remodel. And I love the idea that in this man's mind. John Calipari and Anthony Davis had pulled off the interstate because they heard about the Elizabethtown Shoney's remodel.

Myron Metcalf (35:49)

You gotta see these new booths we installed, man.

Matt Myron (35:52)

You know you're proud of a remodel when you think John CaliperI drove three hours to come see your remodel. More stories like this we put out Matt Myers. I want to push back.

Producer Evan (36:06)

The Louisville Shoney's is open till 3pm today.

Matt Myron (36:09)

It's not. The show is closed.

Myron Metcalf (36:14)

I don't think we're supposed to know that. 65, I think that's an off the book.

Producer Evan (36:18)

11 Signature Drive. You gotta head over here.

Matt Myron (36:21)

You call them. You. I tell you what, during the break, you call them and see if.

Myron Metcalf (36:25)

No, we don't call them on there.

Matt Myron (36:25)

They are not open. They are not open.

Myron Metcalf (36:28)

Call them. Call them on air. We will call them on air.

Matt Myron (36:31)

I call them on air. ESPN has all these rules about calling people on air. Next here. I'm Matt Myron on ESPN Radio.

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Myron Metcalf (39:10)

Matt and Myron, the podcast.

Matt Myron (39:13)

All right, so we do have an update here on Matt Myron on ESPN Radio. Counting you down to kickoff, sort of. We. The Shoney's in Louisville is open. We called it. Evan, our producer, they said they are open until 3 o'. Clock. So I guess I didn't get the memo. Or else maybe it's a rogue Shoney's because I haven't seen it and I know that part of town and I haven't seen the show. I don't know what's going on over there.

Myron Metcalf (39:42)

Let me tell you. They put up one of those like little police sire looking things in the restaurant to clear it out. Like that's the signal when there's trouble and there's a siren going off inside the building.

Matt Myron (39:51)

Closed at 3 o'. Clock. What restaurant closes at 3 o'? Clock?

Myron Metcalf (39:56)

If you see everybody clearing a Shoney's in Louisville, you know why? Because we made a call and I feel like somebody was like, wait a.

Matt Myron (40:03)

Minute, who told them that we were here?

Myron Metcalf (40:06)

And they're cleared that joker out, right?

Matt Myron (40:08)

I know there's a lot of the country that doesn't know what Shoney's is. Like you never had them. But just, just imagine like a breakfasty country place. And that's what it is. We have somebody on the phone that wants to get in here, Evan, who Is this Sean in Texas? Go ahead, Sean.

Caller Sean (40:26)

Guys, I want to congratulate you on a very enjoyable broadcast for the New Orleans Bowl. I was driving around listening to the radio. I thought I'm going to turn on some football and it's Matt and Myron and crew. And it had a lot of the same Sunday morning show vibe that you normally have. And I really enjoyed was a different take on how to broadcast the game than what I hear from most of the other teams that do broadcast. So I really enjoyed that. And there were times when I could actually understand what was going on on the field when you were talking. So that was also a help. But other times I was more interested in the. In Myron's lack of knowledge when it came to classic rock.

Matt Myron (41:15)

And I do like by the way, we're not going to put that on our cover. There are times I understand what's happening on the field when they broadcast. Sean, like I appreciate it because I know you meant that nicely, but you could understand how maybe we won't, we won't lead with that in our, in our prompts. Yeah.

Caller Sean (41:37)

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find you get what you need.

Matt Myron (41:43)

That's right. John, thank you very much. Appreciate the call.

Myron Metcalf (41:46)

Yeah, you're not like the other broadcasts that tell us what's actually happening.

Matt Myron (41:51)

There were times I knew what was.

Myron Metcalf (41:54)

I like it. I appreciate it though. People were very kind. I really appreciate.

Matt Myron (41:58)

We had great listen the feedback from that game was unbelievable. I think I don't know what the numbers were people listening but it felt like all of you were so thank you very much. Now it is king of the mountain to do king of the mountain. 888 say ESPN. Remember the goal is to give your best take and call in and you have 30 seconds to be king of the mountain. Best take, whether it's the hottest, the funniest, whatever. 888 say ESPN on the Dr. Pepper call in line. Let's go to Brian in Denver. Go ahead, Brian.

Shador (42:31)

All right.

Caller Sean (42:32)

My man so grew up in south South Florida down there just north of West Palm beach. And my man I Shoney's had the best sweet tea. We would go in there for that breakfast buffet. I was working landscape and it was a. It's a beautiful experience. If you've never experienced the Shoney's, go find yourself a shoney.

Matt Myron (42:57)

Well, there's 20 of them around the country. One of them apparently is in Louisville and it is open until 3pm Appreciate.

Myron Metcalf (43:04)

The call Matt, how many states get to say they have sweet tea? Because I feel like there's a line you cross and you have sweet tea. Who actually is allowed? I think it's.

Matt Myron (43:13)

I actually would think it's like Kentucky South. I think if you go. It would basically be in the sec. If you go to the sec.

Myron Metcalf (43:22)

Oklahoma doesn't have it, though.

Matt Myron (43:24)

Probably not. Texas probably doesn't have it either. At least not the way we do. I would say. I would say Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, Louisiana, maybe not even Louisiana. North and South Carolina. That's what you're. That's where your sweet tea is.

Myron Metcalf (43:39)

They got sweet tea. Okay. Yeah. It was always a big thing growing up. When we would come down south, it was.

Matt Myron (43:44)

It was explained as a non southerner. What it is.

Myron Metcalf (43:52)

It's not drugs, but with the amount of sugar in it, like the rush you get feels a little bit like that when you take it for the first time. But it's, It's. I mean, it's seared. They put, you know, all the little. The lemons and stuff. It's good.

Matt Myron (44:05)

But it's like a lot of sugar. Like, it's not a little bit of sugar. No, it's a lot of sugar. So, like, when you go to your local restaurant and you ask for the Splenda or the Sweet and Low. Myron, that is not what sweet tea is. Sweet tea is just dump a big bag of sugar in and then there's a little bit of tea.

Myron Metcalf (44:27)

Yeah. And it's. Again, you pass a certain point in this country, all of a sudden it's sweet tea and it's just a different thing. It's really good, though.

Matt Myron (44:33)

It's really, though, hot. Cincinnati south, like, it's the Ohio River South. That's where you're gonna get it. And you're gonna also come away probably with the disease if you drink too much of it. 888, say ESPN. That is. It is Matt Myron on ESPN radio. So we do King of the Mountain here. Remember, you call in, you give your hottest take. We have a leader. He's had it for three weeks straight. He's got the belt. He's been walking around his city with it, I believe. I can't remember the guy's name, but we will. We'll get it in a second. It's about Lane Kiffin. Myron, you remember.

Myron Metcalf (45:04)

Yes.

Matt Myron (45:07)

Thank you for contributing. 888.

Myron Metcalf (45:10)

I thought he said 10. I thought he said 10 seconds. My bad.

Matt Myron (45:13)

He did not. He said 30, but that's okay. We are one hour away from kickoff. Dolphins at Bucks start at one eastern.

Myron Metcalf (45:22)

Now he says be louder next time, man.

Matt Myron (45:24)

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