Hour 2: Playing Dominoes

Summary

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Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron

Hosts: Myron Medcalf & Matt Jones
Episode: Hour 2: Playing Dominoes
Date: November 30, 2025

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Episode Overview

This hour kicks off with college football coaching carousel updates and moves into passionate debates on NFL quarterback situations, coaching decisions, and the unique pressures faced by franchises like the Minnesota Vikings. The hosts then riff through major headlines—including quirky college football pranks, Yankees payroll drama, Ben Simmons' NBA future, and the cultural arc of F1 in America. The episode is energetic, sardonic, and full of real fan and journalist perspective.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. College Football Coaching Carousel (00:49 – 02:33, 11:38 – 13:16)

• Breaking Hires: Auburn set to hire Alex Golesh (South Florida); Arkansas targets Ryan Silverfield (Memphis); Florida rumored to be pursuing John Sumrall (Tulane).
• Impact: All three top AAC coaches moving to the SEC signals a change in hiring. The American is now seen as the developmental “G League” for Power 5 coaches.
  • Matt Jones: “It feels like maybe The American is like the G League or something for coaches…” (01:35)
  • Myron Medcalf: “It is interesting...all three went to SEC schools. Normally SEC schools would swing for big names—they all took guys ultimately from the American Conference.” (12:45)
• Broader Trend: Programs moving away from recycling failed Power 5 coaches toward giving successful mid-major coaches real opportunities.
  • Myron Medcalf: “Maybe you don’t just go get Bill Belichick, you actually go get a guy who’s had some success at a smaller level.” (02:33)

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2. Vikings Quarterback Quagmire & Franchise Tension (02:33 – 10:12)

• Quarterback Dilemma: The hosts get animated debating the Minnesota Vikings' situation: Max Brosmer versus J.J. McCarthy and the fallout from moving on from Sam Darnold.
  • Matt Jones (on Brosmer): “I think it’s one of the biggest days in franchise history. I’m not exaggerating that.” (03:29)
  • Myron Medcalf: “You think Max Brosmer starting in Week 3, 2025 is one of the biggest days in franchise history?” (03:36)
• Reasons for Urgency:
  • If Brosmer fails, McCarthy is default starter but confidence is low.
  • Franchise could face a lost year, staff firings, and front office overhaul.
  • “If this fails … coach of the year a year ago, maybe [Kevin O’Connell] goes into 2026 on a warm seat…maybe even a hot seat.” (05:29)
• Brock Purdy Parallels: Fantasy versus reality of a surprise QB savior.
  • Myron: “No one had that basis for Brock Purdy either.” (06:53)
  • Both hosts agree the franchise is desperate, not optimistic.
• Sam Darnold’s “Revenge Game”:
  • Medcalf frames it as Darnold’s emotional opportunity to prove Minnesota wrong post-exit.
  • “If Sam Darnold makes the Super Bowl, how does that make Minnesota look? It gets people fired.” (09:59–10:04)

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3. Sports Headlines Roundtable (13:16 – 21:19)

a) Lane Kiffin Jersey Theft Prank (13:20–15:53)

• Story of Ole Miss QB’s stolen jersey during rivalry week.
• Hosts debate whether it’s crime or college football hijinks.
  • Medcalf: “More harmless rivalry prank than crime…The Starkville police [were] almost laughing about it.” (13:51)
  • Tongue-in-cheek banter about running a “Law & Order” court session on air.

b) Yankees Payroll Handwringing (16:19–17:54)

• Hal Steinbrenner wants to lower Yankees payroll after $319 million spent in 2025, but won’t make promises.
  • Medcalf: “I don’t think fans should have to care so much about teams’ balancing the budget…Just tell me, can they sign this guy or not?” (16:51)
  • Matt Jones: “It’s like the regular person’s equivalent of, ‘Oh, I think we’re spending too much on groceries.’” (17:25)
• Both hosts see it as performative; what matters is ultimate spending, not rhetoric.

c) Ben Simmons’ Instagram Hint at Philly Return (18:16–20:29)

• Simmons likes a comment suggesting he’d fit with Philly; hosts doubt return possible.
  • Medcalf: “First of all, I forgot Ben Simmons existed…Philly fans are the meanest fans in the world.” (18:32, 19:20)
  • Both muse on “never quit” pro athletes—how rich, injured players like Simmons rarely walk away.

d) “How much money to retire?” Hypothetical (20:35–21:09) - Medcalf: “How much money would it take for you to do no more work?” - Matt Jones: “Ten mil. I wouldn’t have a phone. You'd have to send a letter.” (20:43–21:05) - Sets the tone for their laid-back, candid banter.

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4. NFL Rapid-Fire Analysis: Playoff Pushes, Coaching Futures (24:08 – 32:58)

Bills vs. Steelers Preview

• High stakes for both AFC teams: Wild Card stakes for Buffalo, division hopes for Pittsburgh.
  • Matt Jones: “The Steelers defense has given up 30+ points five times … record under Tomlin.” (25:02)
  • Medcalf: “If you’re Mike Tomlin…you gotta win this game. You lose…what happens to Mike Tomlin if this team doesn’t make the playoffs?” (26:24)
• Debate if Tomlin’s annual “9-8” magic can keep working.

Turning Point in the AFC?

• Are we seeing the end of the Ravens/Chiefs/Bills dominance?
  • Matt Jones: “This could be a turn-the-page moment…all of these teams could look different a year from now.” (28:13)

New England Patriots Respect Disputed

• Matt backs New England as an emerging force under Vrabel/Drake May; Myron is firmly skeptical due to their easy schedule.
  • Medcalf: “They have the easiest schedule I’ve ever seen.” (29:26)
  • Matt Jones: “Against an easier schedule, [you] have to prove you’re dominant and this team has destroyed teams.” (30:09)
  • Lighthearted argument about hypothetical playoff bets; produces memorable back-and-forth.
  • Medcalf: “One of us is a lawyer!” (34:19)

Buccaneers' Playoff Fate

• Baker Mayfield’s injury; Bucs’ perpetual health woes put division up for grabs.

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5. Cultural Sidebar: F1's Popularity in America (37:09 – 41:19)

• Medcalf: Skeptical America’s F1 “fad” is over, outside major events (“everyone cheered because it was on Netflix”).
• Jones: Defends the scale he witnessed during the Vegas F1 race—global crowds, spectacle.
  • Both hosts poke fun at Jones’ “fandom”; he struggles to name more than two F1 drivers.
• Quote:
  • Myron: “You’re not a great ambassador for sports people are trying to get into. You actually make people feel like they shouldn’t get involved!” (40:54)
• Segue includes jabs at band knowledge (Barenaked Ladies vs. Chumbawamba), further reinforcing the show’s mix of sports, pop culture, and humor.

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6. Around the NFL: Injuries & Defensive Standouts (41:53 – 44:42)

• Daniel Jones (Colts) Playing with Broken Fibula: Both hosts astonished by decision; risk of serious injury questioned.
• Texans’ Defensive Strength: Will Anderson Jr. setting sack records; Texans and Browns are noted as best defensive teams few are watching.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (Timestamps in MM:SS)

• On the American Conference being a coaching “G League”:
  “It feels like maybe the American is like the G League or something for coaches because they’re sending all their guys to the SEC.” – Matt Jones (01:35)

• Vikings’ franchise pressure:
  “If this fails … coach of the year a year ago, maybe [Kevin O’Connell] goes into 2026 on a warm seat…” – Myron Medcalf (05:29)

• NFL salary cap talk fatigue:
  “I don’t think fans should have to care so much about teams’ balancing the budget…” – Myron Medcalf (16:51)

• Philadelphia sports fans:
  “Philly are the meanest fans in the world. Like, I was watching [an Eagles game]…my mom says, ‘Why are their fans so mean to their team?’ I couldn’t really [answer].” – Myron Medcalf (19:20)

• How much to retire?
  “Ten mil. I wouldn’t have a phone. You’d have to send a letter.” – Matt Jones (20:43)

• Myron’s skepticism on F1 fandoms:
  “There was a period…the cool thing to do was watch F1…I feel like that was like the three-year fad…outside of Buffalo wearing Zubaz pants in the ’90s.” – Myron Medcalf (39:42)

• Friendly host bickering:
  “You’re not a great ambassador for sports people are trying to get into. You actually make people feel like they shouldn’t get involved!” – Myron Medcalf (40:54)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• AAC Coaches to SEC / Carousel talk: 00:49–02:33; recap at 11:38–13:16
• Vikings QB debate: Brosmer, McCarthy, Darnold: 02:33–10:12
• Sports headlines roundtable: 13:16–21:19
• NFL Playoff races, coaching futures: 24:08–34:31
• F1/pop culture interlude: 37:09–41:19
• NFL stories—Daniel Jones & Texans D: 41:53–44:42

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Tone & Style

• Loose, witty, honest—rarely taking themselves or the sports world too seriously.
• Candid debates and playful lawyer/non-lawyer jousting.
• Conversational, with plenty of good-natured teasing and relatable fan perspectives.

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This episode is essential for fans who want lively sports talk that bounces from hard analysis to playful pop-culture tangents—while always keeping an eye on the human drama that defines pro and college sports.

Transcript

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[Myron Medcalf]

Podcast shout out to my be Buffalo.

[Matt Jones]

Hopefully I'll get to return.

[Myron Medcalf]

Well it's lots of fun. Have you been to a game there?

[Matt Jones]

I've been to a game now. I've been to Buffalo. I've seen the stadium. I haven't been to it.

[Myron Medcalf]

You need to, you need to go Auburn. Pete Thamel with some breaking news has agreed to a six year deal for Alex Garland. Go Lesh. Per ESPN sources, announcement coming soon to formalize the hire. Alex Goles, she's the South Florida. Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Actually talked to him a couple weeks back for a story I was working on. Yeah man, good, good.

[Myron Medcalf]

Dude, you like that hire for Auburn?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And I love that you know that now the American Congress probably going to lose a couple of coaches if Tulane's guy goes as well. But you know, I mean South Florida has really put together an amazing turn around and they got a good coach.

[Myron Medcalf]

Also it looks like On3Sports is reporting Memphis's Ryan Silverfield is expected to be the Arkansas head coach.

[Matt Jones]

I mean it feels like maybe the American is like the G League or something for coaches because they're sending all their guys to the, to the SEC.

[Myron Medcalf]

For Memphis, man they just get coach after coach and they go somewhere else. So that means in this era, you know those SEC jobs are all, are all getting taken. So now Arkansas, Auburn and if the reports on some raw are true, Florida, like they're all getting taken pretty quickly, Myron.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And then obviously Lane's got to make a decision here and that would be the LSU job. I mean Ole Miss would open up in that situation. But yeah, I like the idea of you remember that period Matt where like schools like Arkansas and Auburn felt like they had to go get the former, you know, power forward coach who had been fired, you know, a couple of years ago and try to give him another shot. When I see an Alex Golers, when I see, you know, the summer alls, when I see guys like that getting opportunities, I think that's great for the sport. Give them a chance to elevate.

[Myron Medcalf]

I think part of the reason that's happened is because the success Signetti had at Indiana, coming from James Madison and Clark Lee coming to Vandy as well, I think there's like this belief that maybe you don't just go get Bill Belichick, you actually go get a guy who's had some success at the smaller level. And then. And then see what happens. Matt Myron is presented by Progressive insurance. Progressive Insurance offers 24. 7 protection when you bundle home, auto and motorcycle. Learn [e-mail] One of the things I love about Meyer Metcalf is there's a couple things that will get him really worked up. One of those things is the Minnesota Vikings. They play today at the Seahawks. It's a Sam Darnold revenge game. It's a chance to see what do you got with Max. What's his name, Bossmer Bros. Who will be playing instead of JJ McCartney. Are you excited for the Max Brosmer era?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I think it's one of the biggest days in franchise history. I'm not exaggerating that. Stop.

[Myron Medcalf]

Are you serious?

[Matt Jones]

100% it is.

[Myron Medcalf]

You think Max Brosmer snorting in week three, 2013 is one of the biggest days in franchise history?

[Matt Jones]

As a Bears fan, you'll understand this. If Max Brosman is terrible right now, you gotta maybe go through the rest of the year with J.J. mcCarthy once he clears concussion protocol. J.J. mcCarthy hasn't been good. There was a stat out there, Matt, that J.J. mcCarthy had been in terms of like, effectiveness per play, literally, like one of the worst quarterbacks out of like 800 quarterbacks.

[Myron Medcalf]

Okay, but why would you think Max Brosmer was the guy and like, he got.

[Matt Jones]

Here's why I'm saying it matters. If Max Brosmer is terrible and you, you can't move forward with him now you're stuck with J.J. mcCarthy, you know, trying to figure things out. He hasn't been good this season. If he's bad, then everything continues to fall apart. If you're the Minnesota, you're saying Max.

[Myron Medcalf]

Brosmer has to be good to save the Vikings. He has to be like Brock Purdy to save the vikings for drafting J.J. mcCarthy. That doesn't make any sense to me.

[Matt Jones]

What I mean, that's what they. They need a Brock Purdy situation. Here's why it matters. Here's why I'm saying it's a big day in franchise history. If Brosmer is terrible, you don't have a Good option at quarterback for a team that spent money to be a contender this year after what Sam Darnold led them to. You're playing Sam.

[Myron Medcalf]

So you're giving up on J.J. mcCarthy?

[Matt Jones]

It's not giving up. I just wish. Listen, I don't want GMs to have any emotions about these things. At the end of the day, you're either good enough or you're not. He hasn't been good enough. Yes, he's young and understand how people are.

[Myron Medcalf]

You giving up?

[Matt Jones]

When I was on the side, I don't know if you know, I was on the sidelines.

[Myron Medcalf]

Oh, you were on the sidelines. See, you don't say that enough for me to know that you're actually doing that. It feels like you keep that in. You don't want people to know you do sidelines.

[Matt Jones]

I don't like talking about the things I do, but I'm on the sidelines. ESPN Radio, Vikings, Ravens, Right. There were no joke about six passes that I'm seeing. From field level, where you're like, forget whether or not J.J. mcCarthy is a starter. I think the conversation is whether or not he's an NFL quarterback. I think that's just the reality where we're at with J.J. mcCarthy, yes, he's young, but in this NFL, man, no one has time to wait and see with J.J. mcCarthy, Max Brosman's terrible. Now you potentially move forward with J.J. mcCarthy, who maybe isn't a guy who can play at this level. Now you got to go into 2026 with a quarterback. Whether you go into the draft or the free agency pool, whatever you end up doing, you have to find an answer. If you're Kevin o', Connell, if this fails, I think you have a situation where the front office guys get fired, and then you have a situation where Kevin o', Connell, coach of the year a year ago, maybe goes into 2026 on a warm seat, maybe even a hot seat if this thing continues to fall apart. That's why Max.

[Myron Medcalf]

But like, Max Bros. Not going to change that. I can't imagine in these last six weeks. Max Bros. But shows something that changes the direction of the franchise. I think, you know, he's going to play this week. I don't think they're going to give up on JJ McCartney yet. Now, they may do it at the end of the. At the end of the year. Um, but like Max. Max Bros. Not changing the fortunes of the franchise like you have. Do you have any basis for that?

[Matt Jones]

I'm not saying he will, but no one had that basis for Brock Purdy either.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah, but I can point it 25 people, they didn't have basis for that didn't happen. Brock Purdy. And by the way, Brock Purdy's having a hard time keeping Mac Jones off the field. So let's not act like that was a revolution.

[Matt Jones]

What do you mean? It made everybody forget about Trey Lance. That's what it did.

[Myron Medcalf]

It did. So you're arguing that you think Max Brosmer can save the Vikings from their pick for JJ McCarthy.

[Matt Jones]

You're putting words in what I'm saying that I'm not using. I'm not saying it can. Like I. I'm sure. Would it be a great fairy tale if the guy who went to University of Minnesota comes in and plays well today? Yes. I'm not saying it will happen. I'm not saying it can't happen. But the Vikings need it to happen because you go into the rest of the season where Jason McCarthy clearly isn't equipped to play at a high level. Right now, you have all these guys you signed to compete right now for a Super bowl after last year. You don't want to be in a scenario going into the offseason where you don't have a reliable quarterback, where you don't have someone you can trust. And that's the potential situation for the Vikings. And if that's the case, people are going to get fired.

[Myron Medcalf]

Okay, so let's. Let's go to the other side. Sam Darnold is. This is his revenge game. He's basically licking his chops. Time to show the exact. That, like, you needed me and you. Your new boyfriend is not as good as mine. Do you think he plays well in that scenario? You've always kind of crushed him for not showing up when it really mattered. For him personally, this is probably a game that really matters. Do you think he shows up?

[Matt Jones]

I think people got to remember how bad those two games were last year. At the end of the season, like, how bad Sam Darnold, everything that people thought Sam Darnold could be at his worst, he was that and more. Which is partially the reason why Minnesota didn't invest in him, didn't franchise tag, and moved on to J.J. mcCarthy. That appears to be a mistake. I think if you're Sam Darnold, he said before this game, none of it matters. He has great relationships. He wants to put up 300 yards and destroy the Vikings and show them what they didn't sign. It wasn't like he was asking for 50 million a year, Matt, but it wasn't like he wanted big money.

[Myron Medcalf]

Let's to be fair though, you thought they shouldn't sign.

[Matt Jones]

I thought that they could have him in a franchise tag role. Bring it along. J.J. mcCarthy. Like, to me, you have to be certain on J.J. mcCarthy. If you let him go, I feel.

[Myron Medcalf]

Like you got some revisionist history. You were a Sam Darnold hater for what you you ended up being correct. But throughout the year you were skeptical of him. You ended up being correct in the playoffs. And if I remember correctly, correct me if I'm wrong, you did not think Minnesota should sign him and were okay with him leaving. Does that do you think you were incorrect?

[Matt Jones]

I didn't think they should give him $50 million a year. Like if the market was going to say give him 2 of money, I didn't agree with that and he didn't get to a money. I think that to me was the line. At the same time, you have to know that JJ McCarthy is good enough to lead this team. Like, you have to know something about him that makes you confident. I think you're moving on from a guy who helped you win 14 games.

[Myron Medcalf]

I mean, what if Sam Darnold makes the Super Bow? How does that make Minnesota look?

[Matt Jones]

It gets people fired is what it does. I mean, these are the situations where people lose their jobs because they didn't make the right decision.

[Myron Medcalf]

We'll see. I think today is if you're Sam Darnold, you're sitting in that locker room. This is one of the bigger games you've played, at least in your mind. There are headlines all across the world of sports that are not necessarily NFL. We'll talk about those and more with Meyer Metcalf, Matt Jones, and here on ESPN Radio.

[Matt Jones]

Matt and Myron. The podcast.

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[Myron Medcalf]

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[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I mean if you're the American, you're like wow, they kind of post some of our top coaches at the same time. That's how you sell the next batch. Up and coming coach.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah, no, I think like now the division before that below that the guys coaching it, let's say like Kennesaw State. Like now all of a sudden that's the, that's the job. I mean it's kind of the pecking order of life. It is interesting to me know the Myron that all three went to SEC schools. Normally SEC schools would swing for big names. They all took guys ultimately from the American Conference. James, it is now time for headlines. Extra extra. Real model.

[Matt Jones]

The Sunday headlines.

[Myron Medcalf]

All right, let's do this. What's up first?

[James]

All right, so we've been talking about Lane Kiff a little bit today. Obviously still waiting on his decision before his. I mean he, he is currently the Ole Miss head coach and he was on Friday too. But before their game, rivalry game against Mississippi State, he talked to Marty Smith and told him that quarterback, his quarterback's jersey was stolen in the middle of the night before the by Mississippi State people. So what do you think about getting a jersey?

[Myron Medcalf]

You read that story like it's the first time it occurred. Like you were reading it for the first time. Like you were reading it. Any of this had happened before which I kind of liked. Yes. To me more harmless rivalry prank than crime. You know how I know the Starkville Police Department? This is what's Great about college football. Normally, if you break into a business and take something that's going to be a crime that the Starkville police care about, in this case, the Starkville police tweet out an unlocked Ole Miss locker room door and say, this is why you all should keep your doors locked at night. Like almost laughing about it getting broken into. Myron. I guess they don't take it that seriously in Starkville.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, you know, you do have to lock your stuff up. Also, it's a rivalry game, you know, And I think at this point, our Ole Miss fans that upset. Depending on what Kane. What Lane Kiffin does. So you think you should.

[Myron Medcalf]

You think they should get punished for stealing the jersey? They were wearing masks.

[Matt Jones]

What are you gonna do to. I mean, what's the. You know, I mean, you.

[Myron Medcalf]

I mean, like, if you steal something, like if you go into a store and steal a shirt, you're gonna get charged with something, and you gonna get charged. If you go into a locker room and steal a jersey.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, charge them. I mean, whatever the. I don't know. You're the lawyer. Whatever the.

[Myron Medcalf]

So you would charge them with some sort of petty theft thing. Right.

[Matt Jones]

Find them or something. I think you probably aren't there bigger things to deal with than something like that?

[Myron Medcalf]

I mean, that's true of everything. Like, with that logic, you never find anybody for anything.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know how to play law and order with you, man. You went to law school. I didn't. And sometimes these moments turn into an episode of Matlock. I don't know what I'm supposed to say. I plead the fifth. Call the witness to the st. I don't know what I'm supposed to say. Right. You just turn these episodes into Law and Order, SVU or something like that. And I'm like, what do you want me to say? I choose the fourth constitutional amendment to Amendment. That's what you want me to do?

[Myron Medcalf]

Objection. Can we. That's what I want you to say. That's what I want.

[Matt Jones]

Objection. I don't know. You always using law school stuff on me, man. I don't know.

[Myron Medcalf]

James, what's next?

[Matt Jones]

Matlock, Yankees owner that was quizzing me on the legal procedures of whether or not somebody should go to jail for stealing. I don't know.

[Myron Medcalf]

It's not. Quiz you. Go ahead. What's next?

[Matt Jones]

Figured out Judge Judy.

[Myron Medcalf]

Go ahead.

[James]

Can I. Can I now?

[Myron Medcalf]

All right.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, go ahead. Sorry.

[Myron Medcalf]

Good. All right.

[James]

Yankees owner Hell Steinbrenner claimed it was too early in the offseason to determine his team's payroll range for the 2026 season. But he'd prefer that the number drop from the 319 million he said New York spent on his players in 2025. Quote, Would it be ideal if I went down with the payroll? Of course, Steinbrenner said Monday on a video call with reporters. But does that mean it's going to happen? Of course not. We want to fill a team we know could win a championship. So Yankees owner wanting a lower payroll, probably not going to happen, but him wanting to kind of not really the Yankee way.

[Myron Medcalf]

This is my only. This is my only problem with baseball, which I think has had a rejuvenation, is I don't think fans should have to carry so care so much about teams balance in the budget, you know what I mean? Because, like, in the abstract, raising or lowering the payroll means nothing to me, Myron, because I don't know how much revenue they bring in. Like, I don't know how much they pay people. So, like, there's no way for me to know. And I shouldn't even have to think about it. I should just be able to know, can they sign this guy or not? But then I have to sit there and be part of the business meetings for the Yankees in order to be a Yankees fan. And that's one thing about baseball I don't really enjoy.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, it's like the regular person's equivalent of like, oh, I think we're spending too much on groceries. Like, what? I mean, like, figure it out. If you do want to compete with the Dodgers, the only way to do it is going to be spending that kind of money. So I, I don't really understand the value of saying I want to spend less, but I may not do it.

[Myron Medcalf]

Right. Yeah, I mean, that's having your cake and eating it, too. Like, I mean, of. That's probably true of every person in America. I'd like to spend less money, but if I have to.

[Matt Jones]

I wanted to eat less this weekend.

[Myron Medcalf]

But, you know, every single. There's nobody who goes out and goes, can I spend more, please? So ultimately, if you're, you know, if you're, if you're saying, I'd like to spend less, I'm sure all the owners feel that way. What will ultimately matter is not his words, but what he actually does. And I guess we'll find out over the course of free agency. What's next. James?

[James]

On a post on Instagram, Ben Simmons liked a comment that said, quote, you'd be a great fit on this Current Philly team Maxi Edgecombe PG Ben Joel. So Ben Simmons wants to go back to the Sixers. What do you think?

[Myron Medcalf]

First of all, I forgot. You talk about a person I forgot existed. Ben Simmons. I have not thought about Ben Simmons in a long time. I cannot imagine there's a world where Ben Simmons can go back to Philadelphia. But I actually would note he actually would be pretty good on this team, to be honest with you. Like, to the extent he has a role in the NBA, it kind of would be on a team like Philly with a team full of scores where he could just be a distributor. But he's not going back to Philly. Byron.

[Matt Jones]

Right?

[Myron Medcalf]

Like, he can't.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I don't really understand what this is. You know, this is. This doesn't make a lot of sense. I mean, Ben Simmons is who he is, and I'm sure it's easy to latch onto a team that looks like they look right now and to say, hey, man, I'd love to be a part of that.

[Myron Medcalf]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

Like, that's how it feels more.

[Myron Medcalf]

But, I mean, they wouldn't need him to score, which is valuable. But I just don't understand how you could go back. Philly are the meanest fans in the world. Like, I was watching the Bears Eagles game with my mom on. On the day after Thanksgiving. My mom doesn't watch sports. And she was watching it, and she was like, why are their fans so mean to their team? And I couldn't really. Because they are. They're, like, objectively the worst. How can you take a person like Ben Simmons, who, no offense to him, seems to, like, internalize this stuff more than most players. How in the world could he go back to that scenario of toxicity?

[Matt Jones]

Why would he want to?

[Myron Medcalf]

I mean.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I think he's, like, 30. He's made, like, $200 million in basketball. Like, why. You know, why would you even want.

[Myron Medcalf]

Because what's he gonna do for the rest of his life? Like, you know that? Like, nobody quits. No. Yeah, but nobody quit. No. I think that should be a lesson for a lot of people. Why don't you just go quit and be rich? I say that all the time. I say that to some of these coaches. Why don't you just quit and go be rich? Why do you. But these. None of these people, Myron, you know this. None of them can ever quit in anything. They all want to, like, be there for the last possible second.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And, like, that's why they're never happy either. Like, just go enjoy yourself. Man, it's okay.

[Myron Medcalf]

How much money would it take for you to do no more work? To just be Myron on the beach? Oh, man.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I'm probably 10 mil, you know.

[Myron Medcalf]

10, 10 million. That's a lot of money though. I mean, so it ain't doing. You're still working.

[Matt Jones]

I wouldn't have a phone. You know what I mean? I wouldn't. You wouldn't be able to get in touch with me without sending letters or something. Like you wouldn't even have a phone.

[Myron Medcalf]

You'd be like, who's calling? Not reachable by text.

[Matt Jones]

I pay somebody to have a phone and take calls on my behalf.

[Myron Medcalf]

Wow.

[Matt Jones]

Not calling me directly.

[Myron Medcalf]

Won't even have a phone. So you know what it takes to get Myron off your air. $10 million out. We will do more NFL News next.

[Matt Jones]

Here on Matt Myron, Matt and Myron the podcast.

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[Myron Medcalf]

You know this song, Meyer Metcalfe?

[Matt Jones]

Is this Chamber Wamba?

[Myron Medcalf]

No, this is Bare Naked Ladies. We were talking about the Weezer before Weezer. So. See, you know a song, forget about that. Who cares? That's a different kind of music. Do you know that? This is the kind of group that I'm talking about. This is like nerd rock.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, this is that song. This is that we're hearing it.

[Myron Medcalf]

You don't need to sing it. It is literally.

[Matt Jones]

I know.

[Myron Medcalf]

I'm just trying to people's ears.

[Matt Jones]

Who is Chamba Wamba though? Is this what I get knocked down.

[Myron Medcalf]

I get up again. That's not okay. That's a one hit wonder and it was pop. And it has not to do with this. This is bare.

[Matt Jones]

Tell me that. I was just trying to figure it out. Okay. This is Bare Naked Ladies. Yeah, I know the song.

[Myron Medcalf]

So. See, you do know nerd rock. You were saying you don't know nerd rock.

[Matt Jones]

Why wouldn't you tell me who chamber wamba is though? That's the problem. I was trying because you.

[Myron Medcalf]

I'm trying to see, this is why I can't.

[Matt Jones]

You get frustrated too easily with me with music. I like talking to you about music because you get frustrated. Like I ask simple questions. You do too, too easily when it comes to music.

[Myron Medcalf]

Because I'm trying to lead you to a talking point and you start talking about something that has nothing to do with it, you start talking about. Right. Said Fred. And I'm trying to talk to you about nerd rock and you're over here talking about things that have nothing to do with it.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, well, that's what I have to offer on the show.

[James]

That.

[Matt Jones]

That's my contribution.

[Myron Medcalf]

Thanks so much. Let me be going. Hey, the Bills and Steelers are playing as we catch you down to kickoff and you're like, you ever been to. You ever been to. You ever been to Lubbock, Texas? And I'm like, what does that have to do with the Bills and the Steelers? Talking about the Bills and the Steelers.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Myron Medcalf]

I kept wanting to say Armadillo Amarillo. That's what I was trying to say. The Bills and the Steelers are going out though. Aaron Rodgers is going to start despite having, quote, several broken bones in his wrist. You are such a drama king, Aaron Rodgers. Several broken bones like either play or don't. Don't be talking about your several broken bones in your wrist. I. Aaron. Rod, I'm so tired. Aaron Rodgers, you get your square on. Bingo. Savannah. I cannot stand it. But he is playing today against the Bills. Both of these teams took disappointing losses last week that hurt their playoff chances in games they should have won. Steelers against the Bears, Bills against the Texans. I think there's a good argument that winning today is crucial for one of these teams. If the Steelers win, they can retake the lead in the division. If the Bills win, the they have a better shot at a wild card. What do you like today when these two meet up at 4:30?

[Matt Jones]

Well, I mean the Patriots are running away with that division, so I don't look at the Bills but the wild card.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So the wild card is important. Buffalo, it feels like they're getting closer to must Win territory. Right. This is a team that. What we've seen is, I think the last three weeks, they have three turnovers per game. It's like nine turnovers. Last three games. Uh, Josh Allen can only do so much. They the best rushing team in the league. But I think if you can kind of corral them a little bit, they just don't have a lot of options outside of Josh Allen getting into the phone booth and becoming Superman. And I think it's just been harder for him to do that as the AFC continues to improve. So I think this is a huge game for them. And I think if you're Pittsburgh, I think that Steelers defense has given up 30 or more points five times this season, which is a record under Mike Tomlin. They have a lot of holes as well. We've seen Aaron Rodgers look like a guy in his 40s. Now he's hurt. So it's a big game for both of these teams coming in.

[Myron Medcalf]

It is a big game for both these teams. And I, you know, who do you like? I mean, the Bills have oddly been so inconsistent. They can go on the road and look good, and then they can be at home and look awful. Steelers kind of the same way. I like the Bills in this situation, but if you're Aaron Rodgers, you've been. You were brought here to win games like this, especially a game at home. So I think there's a lot of pressure on him as well.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I mean, you're playing what might be the worst version of the Bills. This is a team that could get better, maybe in the final weeks of the season, but they're just a lot of holes there for that. Bill's team, they've turned the ball over too much. The run game is kind of like the only plan B they have outside of Josh Allen being incredible, whereas Aaron Rodgers hasn't really looked the part of this quarterback is going to lead you to the promised land. The defense has had a lot of takeaways. That's kind of been their strength. I just think if you're Mike Tomlin and you want to be considered like a serious contender in any way, you got to win games like this. Like, you got to win this game. I mean, there's got to win a game like this to even stay in the conversation going into the playoffs. You lose today. It's not even just to me about what happens to the Steelers in the playoff picture. What happens to Mike Tomlin if this team doesn't make the playoffs.

[Myron Medcalf]

Don't we have that conversation every year? And they go, I mean, he's going to go nine and eight. We know that. Like, there's no reason to debate it. Like, just go nine and eight. I have, I had a bet at the beginning of the year. It was like +670 or something. Steelers go 9 and 8 and I'm already spending the money. I know it because they always go 9 and 8.

[Matt Jones]

But they look like they could their worst. Like their worst moments. Like, you haven't seen a floor like this, I think, under Mike Tomlin in a long time. Their highs are high. Their floor is pretty low.

[Myron Medcalf]

Let me ask you a question. The Ravens we talked about are not the same team. Patrick Mahomes and Chiefs, not the same team. I don't think Josh Allen and the Bills are the same team. Do you think this is for the three quarterbacks that kind of have defined the last five years of the NFL? Do you think this is a turning the page moment or is it a one year blip moment where kind of all the teams needed to reset who they were?

[Matt Jones]

It could be a turn the page moment, right? I mean, so could be. Yeah, because all of these teams could look different, completely different a year from now. I don't think it's a turning point for those quarterbacks in terms of they're not going anywhere. But by turning the page, I mean.

[Myron Medcalf]

Like, is this a case where it's going to take a couple years for those teams to be back or is it just this year didn't work? They'll get a roster of guys next year who will.

[Matt Jones]

I think the league is more challenging, especially the afc, than it was a year ago. And you're just going to have to be better. Nobody thought New England would be anything and clearly that's a real contender under Mike Vrabel. And Drake May continues to get better. Like that's a real thing. Drake May's not going.

[Myron Medcalf]

They're not a contender in my mind, by the way, just for the record. I mean, I think they've had an amazing year, but they feasted on an easy schedule and they're not, in my mind, they're not a contender.

[Matt Jones]

The metrics would say they are. And I'll tell you, I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why.

[Myron Medcalf]

The Patriots, I don't care about.

[Matt Jones]

Let me tell you why. The Patriots are plus 92 point differential.

[Myron Medcalf]

That's nice. Like, tell me who they beat. They've beaten one good team. They won that game against Bills. Salute to them. But other than they've been dominant, my.

[Matt Jones]

Point is you got to go through teams like that that weren't a factor in past years. You got to deal with.

[Myron Medcalf]

I still, my thing about the Patriots is I do think like if Drake may continues to improve, we're going to be dealing with the Patriots the next six or eight years. But like this year they have, they literally have the easiest schedule I've ever seen in the NFL. They drew the two easiest divisions and they got a last place schedule. In addition to that, they could not have gotten an easier schedule. I mean there's no way.

[Matt Jones]

They went to Buffalo and one, that's one game.

[Myron Medcalf]

I mean I give them credit, that's one game.

[Matt Jones]

They went to Tampa Bay and one and collapsed. You, you can't, I mean this isn't college sports. You're not creating your schedule. Right. You can't do a whole lot about schedule.

[Myron Medcalf]

Correct.

[Matt Jones]

But what you can do against an easier schedule is prove that you're dominant. And this team has destroyed teams and they defeated a couple things that people thought were contenders. Right. And both of them.

[Myron Medcalf]

But when they play those teams that are not dominant or excuse me, when they play those teams that are more dominant and they're going to lose in the playoffs, I mean I, I would take anyone's bet that would like to do it that we are not seeing the Patriots in the Super Bowl. And I know it's not a crazy statement, we're not going to see a lot of teams in the super bowl. But I still think when I'm trying to figure out who's going to be playing for the championship, that conversation for me still is not going to include the Patriots.

[Matt Jones]

How many teams are better than them in the FC right now?

[Myron Medcalf]

Well, okay. I mean it's. If you're taking me, if I'm, if it's a one game playoff one, tell me who's going to win. I will probably take five or six teams over. Okay. In a one game playoff, I definitely will take the Bills over them.

[Matt Jones]

I think I would beat him in Buffalo, but.

[Myron Medcalf]

Okay, I know, but it's one game and they're going to play in New England and I'll bet you any amount of money you want Buffalo wins that game. You, you picked, you picked the amount.

[Matt Jones]

We'll, we'll.

[Myron Medcalf]

That way you can get to that $10 million that you're wanting so you can retire. All right. Okay. Bills. I'll take the Texans. I'll take the Broncos. I'll take the Chiefs. I'd take. Not, I'd take the Colts if I thought Daniel Jones was healthy, which I'm not sure that he is. So that's at least five right there and I could even be talked into taking one or two more.

[Matt Jones]

You lost me at Colts and Texans. It wasn't a serious conversation at that point.

[Myron Medcalf]

Why is it not a serious conversation?

[Matt Jones]

Well, you talk about a Texas team, that Texas team that obviously has gotten hot the last couple of weeks, but I don't think they've been better than New England.

[Myron Medcalf]

That defense is awesome.

[Matt Jones]

You blank you talked about the scrape the schedule with the Patriots, which is valid. They haven't played this incredible schedule. When the Colts started facing good teams, all of a sudden they look different. Daniel Jones.

[Myron Medcalf]

Pick the coats. That's why I said I wasn't sure about the Colts. But I am, I am sure about the rest of them.

[Matt Jones]

It's going to be fascinating to see how the AFC shakes out because the teams you mentioned that are supposed to be really good are clearly struggling and you've got these new players like New England who I think they're going to be in the conversation. We'll see.

[Myron Medcalf]

They'll be in the conversation because they're 9 and 2 and are going to host these games. But I don't think they're going to win. Let's quickly go to the Cardinals and the Bucks. You did mention that about you mentioned Tampa Bay. Baker Mayfield. They they that team has not looked the same and he is now banged up. He is trending to play even though he has a slow grain sprained AC joint in his non throwing shoulder. What do you do you feel is is their time kind of up? Does this or do you still think there's a second life for them this season?

[Matt Jones]

I don't know. They can never be healthy. Like I feel like that's the story of Bucket is they're never fully healthy and now Baker Mayfield is hurt. They got to figure this out because the Panthers are right there. The Panthers win today and they lose. I think the Panthers are on top of the division in the NFC south, which no one would have thought that a couple of weeks ago. And you know this is a Cardinals team that not a whole lot to lose. They've had some lows obviously but Michael Wilson's played great the receiver 303 yards the last couple of games and you're playing a Bucks team where Baker Mayfield might not be 100% so it's a must win potentially in terms of the division standings for the Bucks.

[Myron Medcalf]

Are you going to bet me on that Bills Patriots game in New England?

[Matt Jones]

I'll I don't know. I don't know that I don't want to bet. I'm not going to bet on air. But I mean, if we want to.

[Myron Medcalf]

Why not on air?

[Matt Jones]

You worried the.

[Myron Medcalf]

You worried the feds are listening? I don't.

[Matt Jones]

I don't want to. Yeah, I'm not going to bet on that. But we can come.

[Myron Medcalf]

I mean, we can bet something. Not money. We can.

[Matt Jones]

I just don't think you're being serious about the. The teams you mentioned that you would bet money.

[Myron Medcalf]

I am being serious. I'm willing. Like, I'll bet you something theoretical. I mean, I'm not trying to, you know.

[Matt Jones]

No, but I don't think you believe the Colts would beat the Patriots. I don't think you believe the Texans.

[Myron Medcalf]

Would pick the Colts. I picked the other teams and I do believe they would all beat the Patriots. We will get you ready for more NFL games today. I could see one of our producers was Rachel. She was like looking terrified that I was going to make an on air bet. It's not illegal. One of us is a lawyer here. I just. Just one 800- gambler and we'll take a break. Be right back. It's Matt Myron on ESPN Radio.

[Matt Jones]

Matt and Myron, the podcast.

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[Myron Medcalf]

It is mad Myron Caddy Dowd here to kick off Right now on ESPN2 is the Qatari Grand Prix. A little F1 action. Max Verstappen leads as I feel like he does every race. Of course I hate F1 because I think everybody just cheers for it because it was on Netflix and it annoys me and they never pass each other. You feel like the whole F1 thing is over. I mean, there was a period of time that everybody was like super obsessed about that. Do you think that's. That's over?

[Matt Jones]

No way. I was in Vegas and I. And I got to Vegas the day of F1 in Vegas last week. So I was there that day.

[Myron Medcalf]

That's different. That's a 10. That's like a social event. I'm talking about people like obsessing over the races and watching the Qatari. Like people are gonna go for social reasons. But do you think as a sport it matters what I was about to.

[Matt Jones]

Say, right, Was I personally, and I've been, I've covered the Super Bowl, I've covered big events. I've never seen that many people from that many backgrounds around one sport. In my life there were people from all different countries. I mean, it was incredible to see. I understand that the diversity of the fan base worldwide.

[Myron Medcalf]

There's no doubt F1 is huge. It's next to soccer, maybe the biggest sport worldwide. I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying in America, like I went my entire life with no one ever mentioning F1. Like I may have heard of like a Schumacher and a Hamilton and that was it. And then all of a sudden there was a four year period where like Mina Kimes and Ryan Rusillo were like talking about F1. And I'm like, what are y' all doing? And now I don't ever hear him talking about anymore. I feel like that part of the fad is gone worldwide, you're certainly right. But in like America, it being part of our consciousness, brother, they were selling.

[Matt Jones]

400 coats in Vegas.

[Myron Medcalf]

They're all people.

[Matt Jones]

Do you think people.

[Myron Medcalf]

Let me ask you.

[Matt Jones]

What I'm telling you is in Vegas, I was there, that the scene was incredible in terms of ever in Minneapolis.

[Myron Medcalf]

When you walk down the street, do you ever hear anyone talk about F1?

[Matt Jones]

I don't, I don't hear people talking about soccer. Right.

[Myron Medcalf]

And it's not big here. Okay, it's not. That's my point.

[Matt Jones]

But I think it's, it's. It's bigger than. Maybe it's not on TV all the time and they're not talking about on Sports center every day, but there's certainly a following. And I think F1 is the same. I think both of them.

[Myron Medcalf]

There was a period of time where the cool thing to do was watch F1. And I just feel like. No, but I feel like that was like the three year fad. It was like everybody, you know, except in Buffalo wearing Zubaz pants. In the 90s. They still do it in Buffalo and maybe they're still doing it in Vegas with F1, but everywhere else I think it's moved on.

[Matt Jones]

I became a fan after that. I mean, I didn't even go to it.

[Myron Medcalf]

But after all the fan. You're a fan of F1 now, can you tell me, besides Max for staffing, can you name me three drivers?

[Matt Jones]

Schumacher.

[Myron Medcalf]

Right?

[Matt Jones]

And then there's my guy.

[Myron Medcalf]

There's not been a Schumacher for 20. Who's the biggest?

[Matt Jones]

Who's the guy?

[Myron Medcalf]

Who's the dude?

[Matt Jones]

Why can't I think of his name? The big guy.

[Myron Medcalf]

No, wait a minute. You're a big fan though. Like you just Said you've become a big fan.

[Matt Jones]

I became a fan. I became a bigger fan recently.

[Myron Medcalf]

As a big fan, you should know some of the drivers.

[Matt Jones]

Who's the guy's name? The main guy?

[James]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

But I'm still learning. But I love it. It sounds like you're a big fan of it.

[Myron Medcalf]

Huge fan.

[Matt Jones]

I'm not a soccer fan. You know what I did in Vegas? I got some soccer jerseys because I want to get into it. You're not a great ambassador for sports that. That people are trying to get into. You actually make people feel like they shouldn't get involved. Like you're the. You're the anti ambassador for these sports.

[Myron Medcalf]

To get in. To have one. I want you to get in. But I don't like when people say I'm a big fan, and then I go, name a driver. And you can't.

[Matt Jones]

I said I became a bigger fan last week being in Vegas because it was an incredible scene. Like you said, it was only like, it's not an American thing. And I'm telling you, it was. It was pretty cool. Norris. That's the guy. Landon Norris. El Norris.

[Myron Medcalf]

You look him up. You know, if you look him up. Yes, yes. Okay. You're reading. I can read now.

[Matt Jones]

Lewis Hamilton.

[Myron Medcalf]

Sit there.

[Matt Jones]

I was at a game. I was at a game. No, I was at a game with Lewis Hamilton. That's why I remember Lewis Hamilton. That's one of the.

[Myron Medcalf]

Read a game with Lewis Hamilton. What kind of game?

[Matt Jones]

He was at a Lakers game. I was at. Kim Kardashian was there. Kim.

[Myron Medcalf]

So was Jack Nicholson. Bad bunny. That doesn't mean anything bad.

[Matt Jones]

What do you mean? I was there. I was near that. I was walking in the back.

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[Myron Medcalf]

Wait a minute. You were near Bad Buck.

[Matt Jones]

I was walking in the back and see all these people? Yeah. Kim Kardashian. All of them.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah. Sounds like you were with him. Texans and Colts play today, by the way, we have a football double header. Colts, Tulsa, Texans, followed by the Bills at the Steelers. Coverage begins on noon Eastern on most ESPN radio stations. By the way, you know, I've been to a game that Josh Allen played in, so it's like we're friends, too. Texans and the Colts. Daniel Jones is set to start versus Houston today despite a fracture in his fibula. I don't understand how people do this. Like, how in the world do you have a fibula fracture in your plane? There was a video of him on Twitter like he could barely move. How in the world is he going to play, especially against the Texans defense? That sacked Josh Allen eight times last week.

[Matt Jones]

Well, the question is, why is he playing? Like. Like, isn't it what this. What trainers do? Like, don't. Doesn't a trainer say, no, you can't play? Especially with a team that is still going to be in the playoff picture even if they were to lose today. Like, are they sacrificing now and not having them later? I wonder too, in a city mat where a year ago I think it was Anthony Richardson quit in the middle of a game, right? It was like, take me out. I don't want to be in the game. I'm taking myself out. If this is a situation where Daniel Jones feels like he's got to be tough. Carson Wentz did it in Minnesota. He had a messed up shoulder.

[Myron Medcalf]

Well, I mean, I understand.

[Matt Jones]

Tell anybody.

[Myron Medcalf]

I mean, I can understand playing because this is a huge game for the division. I mean, this is. If the Colts win this game, they very likely will win the division. If they lose it, then it's kind of still up for grabs. They. I can understand why you'd want to play. I just have never heard of a dude playing with a fractured fibula. Especially a guy like Daniel Jones, who. Mobility, Myron is part of what makes him an effective quarterback.

[Matt Jones]

It doesn't make a lot of sense at all. Right. And again, if he gets hurt and it's worse and now you potentially lose him for a playoff run, why do it? So I'm not really sure why he's playing if he's got a fibula, if he's got a broken leg is what they really is.

[Myron Medcalf]

It's. It's kind of insane to me. And I will note this Texans defense is just a juggernaut. I mean, you, you. It's hard because the Texans are not a high profile team. You know, I've been playing with Davis Mills a lot and so I think a lot of people haven't paid attention. You will not see too many defense. The two best defenses in the league are probably the Browns and the Texans. And the problem is they're on teams, Myron, that nobody cares about that people don't follow. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Will Anderson Jr. I think is at a sack in six consecutive games, tying Mario Williams. Yeah, one more. I think one more game and he ties J.J. watts. So, I mean, that Texans defense has been tough. Here's the thing. What if CJ Stroud isn't good after you just won three in a row with Davis Mills like that? That could be interesting too.

[Myron Medcalf]

Yeah. One person writes. Matt, I do believe Myron is a huge F1 fan. What is his favorite race?

[Matt Jones]

The one in Vegas. Vegas.

[Myron Medcalf]

The one you happen. Well, okay. What's. What's your second favorite race? Paris. Paris doesn't have a race.

[Matt Jones]

Yes, it does.

[Myron Medcalf]

No, it doesn't. It's a country, but it doesn't. They don't race through the streets of Paris.

[Matt Jones]

Somewhere near there.

[James]

Look, Paris isn't a country.

[Myron Medcalf]

I think you mean Monaco.

[Matt Jones]

I said look it up near there. That's what I said.

[Myron Medcalf]

It's a different country, but otherwise king of the mountain.

[Matt Jones]

Next, Matt and Myron, the podcast.

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