Hour 2: The Bee Hive

Summary

Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron – Episode: Hour 2: The Bee Hive Release Date: February 2, 2025

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Overview

In the second hour of "The Bee Hive," hosts Matt Jones and Myron Metcalf delve deep into the current landscape of American football and basketball, while also navigating a humorous sidetrack into the world of music and pop culture. This episode offers insightful analysis, expert opinions, and engaging banter, making it a must-listen for sports enthusiasts and casual fans alike.

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NFL Showdown: Eagles vs. Chiefs

Defensive Dominance and Team Culture

The conversation kicks off with a focus on the anticipated Super Bowl matchup between the Philadelphia Eagles and the Kansas City Chiefs. Herm Edwards, joining as a special guest, provides a tactical breakdown of both teams.

• Myron Metcalf [03:13]: "What is it about what they do that makes it so hard to stop? Because from a layman, it doesn't look that complicated, but just the way they can just eat up the field and get to the end zone, it feels like whenever they want."

• Patrick Mahomes [02:51]: "I just think first of all, it starts with the culture in their locker room... they're trying to win three in a row that's never been done."

Mahomes emphasizes the unwavering culture within the Chiefs' locker room, highlighting their consistent performance and the leadership of key players like Travis Kelsey and Chris Jones.

Eagles' Aggressive Defense

Herm Edwards sheds light on the Eagles' formidable defense, noting their strategy of aggressively targeting the ball to secure turnovers.

• Herm Edwards [04:17]: "They caused like four fumbles. I mean, they just went and knocking the balls out."

This aggressive approach has resulted in ten takeaways during the playoffs, showcasing their defensive prowess and ability to disrupt opposing offenses.

Super Bowl Predictions and Team Histories

The discussion also touches upon the Chiefs' potential to make history with a third consecutive Super Bowl win, a feat unparalleled in the league. Edwards reflects on the Chiefs' consistent championship appearances and their aspiration to emulate legends like Tom Brady.

• Patrick Mahomes [08:40]: "How many teams have been able to repeat and win a couple Super Bowls within a five-year span? Not many."

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Basketball Spotlight: John Calipari's Victory

Transitioning to basketball, the hosts analyze John Calipari's significant win at Rupp Arena, marking his first victory against Kentucky as an opposing coach.

Emotional and Historical Significance

Herm Edwards shares his personal experience attending the high-stakes game, describing the intense atmosphere and the emotional weight of Calipari's triumph.

• Herm Edwards [17:29]: "Cal gets such a classic Cal thing. They've underachieved all year, and then they play their best game of the year and win in Lexington."

Myron Metcalf echoes these sentiments, expressing both disappointment for Kentucky fans and admiration for Calipari's achievement.

• Myron Metcalf [21:28]: "I think it hurt Cal. And you could see how much emotion both coaches had in that game."

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NBA Trade Talk: Mavericks and Lakers Shake-Up

Analyzing the Trade of Luka Dončić

In a heated segment, Matt and Myron dissect the recent trade between the Dallas Mavericks and the Los Angeles Lakers involving superstar Luka Dončić. ESPN's NBA insider Brian Windhorst joins the conversation to provide insider perspectives.

• Brian Windhorst [24:08]: "LeBron didn't know about this, and I already saw the reaction on social media."

Short-Term vs. Long-Term Implications

Herm Edwards and Myron discuss the immediate and future impacts of the trade, pondering whether the Lakers made a strategic move for longevity or if the Mavericks are setting themselves up for success without Luka.

• Herm Edwards [25:02]: "I think this move tells me the Lakers believe LeBron is retiring now or he's going to retire a year from now."

• Myron Metcalf [26:56]: "They can build around him for the next decade, assuming he stays healthy."

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Light-Hearted Banter: Beyoncé's Country Album and the Beehive Metaphor

In an unexpected yet entertaining detour, the hosts engage in a playful debate about Beyoncé's foray into country music, humorously referencing the "Beehive."

• Herm Edwards [35:39]: "I hate. I'm a huge country music fan, but I like old school country. I don't like new country."

• Myron Metcalf [37:22]: "The beehive is no joke, man. You don't want to mess with them."

The segment evolves into a comedic exchange about expressing personal music preferences without offending fans, highlighting the challenges of public discourse on popular artists.

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Closing Remarks and Upcoming Highlights

As the episode concludes, Matt and Myron tease upcoming segments, including comprehensive coverage of the NFL playoffs and Super Bowl predictions. They invite listeners to join them next week for more in-depth analysis and lively discussions.

• Matt [35:25]: "The NFL Playoffs continuing coverage right here on ESPN Radio."

• Myron Metcalf [35:27]: "Beef Week 2025 live from New Orleans, Louisiana, next week on ESPN Radio."

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Notable Quotes

1. Patrick Mahomes [02:51]:

   "And if you're Kansas City, obviously, it seems like this is almost your right. That every year you anticipate playing in the Super Bowl."

2. Herm Edwards [04:17]:

   "They know how to win. They just make plays and it's just, it's interesting how they win."

3. Herm Edwards [17:27]:

   "Cal gets such a classic Cal thing. They've underachieved all year, and then they play their best game of the year and win in Lexington."

4. Brian Windhorst [24:08]:

   "LeBron didn't know about this, and I already saw the reaction on social media."

5. Herm Edwards [35:39]:

   "I hate... I'm a huge country music fan, but I like old school country."

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Conclusion

Episode Hour 2: The Bee Hive offers a comprehensive exploration of major sports narratives, enriched by expert insights and relatable discussions. Whether dissecting the strategies of top NFL teams, celebrating significant basketball victories, or sharing lighthearted moments on musical preferences, Matt and Myron deliver a captivating hour that resonates with a broad spectrum of listeners.

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For more in-depth analysis and up-to-the-minute sports coverage, tune in every Sunday morning at 10 AM Eastern on ESPN Radio, the ESPN app, and SiriusXM Channel 80.

Transcript

[Myron Metcalf]

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[Matt]

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[Myron Metcalf]

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[Herm Edwards]

Time is here. The time is now.

[Matt]

This is the countdown to kickoff on ESPN Radio.

[Herm Edwards]

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[Patrick Mahomes]

Herm.

[Herm Edwards]

There's a lot of stuff I want to get to, but I want to go back just a second because last time we had you on was leading into the games on Sunday. And I felt like we sort of saw exactly what you and I talked about a week ago, which is we said, you know, the Eagles are probably just the better team in their game and I'm not betting against Patrick Mahomes no matter what. Is that how you saw those games on Sunday and then leading into next Sunday? Do you think it's the same thing? The Eagles are the better team, but I'm not betting on Patrick gets Patrick Mahomes.

[Patrick Mahomes]

Yeah. I mean, that's basically scenario, right? And I think if you're the Eagles, it's kind of ironic, you know, the way they've gone about their season. Obviously it's been built on the running game and then their ability defensively to take the ball away. When you think about what they've done in the playoffs alone, they've got 10 takeaways and not just interceptions. I thought it was very, very obvious that, you know, they've been taught defensively. When anyone has the ball, you go after the ball. I mean, they caused like four fumbles. I mean, they just went and knocking the balls out. I mean, that's, that's aggressive defense, that, that stuff. That's, you know, it's fun to watch when you, when you're a defensive coach, when guys go after the ball like that. And if you're Kansas City, obviously, it's, it seems like this is almost your Right. That every year you, you anticipate playing in the super bowl. And you know, as I said, Patrick Mahomes is trying to do something that Tom Brady was able to do and playing a bunch of them. Now they're trying to win three in a roll that's never been done.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm curious, Herm. You, you've obviously been out there, you've coached. I think there are a lot of people disappointed in seeing Kansas City get back here again. What is it about what they do that makes it so hard to stop? Because from a layman, it doesn't look that complicated, but just the way they can just eat up the field and get to the end zone, it feels like whenever they want.

[Patrick Mahomes]

Well, I just think first of all, it starts with the culture in their locker room. I mean, when you think about that locker room of players and they acquire new players, they lose some players, but they continue the same, do what they do. And you know, they, they play in, in a way that's kind of, kind of interesting because it's not like they, you know, blow people out.

[Herm Edwards]

No, they just kind of. Every game's close.

[Patrick Mahomes]

Yeah. And you think it's close until the fourth quarter, right. And then all of a sudden go, oh, guess what happened? And that happened to the Eagles against these guys in the super bowl. Right? It's tight game and all of a sudden they give Patrick Mahomes the ball in the fourth quarter and we all knew what the outcome was going to be. Soon as he got the ball, I went, it's over. He's going to find it's 35, 35. He's going to find a way to take this team down there and, you know, kick a field goal. And they've got a lot of moving parts at times on offense, right. Different guys kind of just. It's never one guy. The one consistent is the quarterback, right? And he finds a way to get it to, to players and they just make plays and it's just, it's interesting how they win, you know, and that's what they do. They know how to win.

[Herm Edwards]

I, I could talk about my homes, where he's one of my favorite players. I mean, look, I'm not saying anything crazy. A lot of people will talk about how amazing he is, but I also, you know, the defense, especially with Spagnola, I mean, that dude has to be one of the all time greatest defensive coaches. And you go to that last possession, you know, people forget Buffalo had the ball last, right down three, they can go win the game. That's right, and they get the ball to midfield and then all of a sudden they turn up the blitz and on third and fourth down, bring the house, get to Allen both times. As you were watching that as a coach, were you just smiling, going, there goes Spagnola again doing his thing?

[Patrick Mahomes]

Yeah. And you knew it was coming and it was. What was ironic for me is the fact that, you know, when, you know, a guy does that. For me, I always had the mindset of when you get a guy that wants to bring pressure, spread them out, don't get in bunch formations because that's a disguise. You can't see that. And that's what happened to Josh Allen. They had those receivers inside the numbers and the guy comes off a short edge so he can get there. When you spread guys out, they got to show it so you can get the ball out of your hand. Right. And so that's always how you counter a blitz. You know, just open it up and go, okay, you're going to come, I'm going to see it. When you close the formations, that's when it gets real funky to count. And the corner blitzes become a problem because they're right there sitting, you know, and it looks like the guy's covering the guy and all of a sudden he's not covering the guy, he's coming off the edge.

[Myron Metcalf]

Herm, the tush push.

[Patrick Mahomes]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's something that, again, people hate to see it from the Eagles. And I think that's actually affected how people view the Eagles. Almost like they're cheating.

[Patrick Mahomes]

Right.

[Herm Edwards]

But it didn't work for Buffalo.

[Myron Metcalf]

Like.

[Herm Edwards]

Like it doesn't work for everybody, you know, it did.

[Myron Metcalf]

But why does it work so well? Like, why is that something that, like, no one can really figure out?

[Patrick Mahomes]

Well, I don't, you know, look, I know Buffalo's situation was they always went left.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah.

[Patrick Mahomes]

So that was a problem. They know you're going left. Guess what? They're going to stop it. Where Philly, you know, the center and the guards are the key. And it's really the center, you know, the long arm center. I mean, you know, when you have a long arm guy, you know, the guy's got to line up on the ball. Well, that helps you when you hike the ball because you have a little bit of an advantage on the defensive guys and they do a nice job of securing those A gaps.

[Myron Metcalf]

You.

[Herm Edwards]

Wait a minute, hang on just a second. Her. I've heard a lot of explanation, this I've not heard long arm, center, what do you mean by that?

[Patrick Mahomes]

Well, because you reach for the ball, right? I mean, you think about the longer the arms, you know, the further the defense has to get away. You got a short arm, the closer to the ball and they're closer to the line of scrimmage. Right? Okay, just do the math. If you got a long arm guy, well, guess what? The defense has to stay behind the ball. Well, the offensive line gets, you know, they got to stay behind the ball too. But now there's a, there's a different length to it, right? And so that helps you. And then the ability of those two guards in the center to come off and get the push into a gaps and then obviously Hearst, you know, with his leg strength and guys pushing him, it kind of helps you get in there. So that.

[Herm Edwards]

Do you think that should be legal?

[Patrick Mahomes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, why not? I mean, okay, everybody, I mean, Buffalo does it. They do it.

[Herm Edwards]

No, no, I agree. It's. I mean, you know, you know what I say? Philadelphia does better than everybody else.

[Myron Metcalf]

They do.

[Patrick Mahomes]

And. But you know what? Don't let them get. And fourth and one.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, that's. That. That's exactly right. Let's. Let me ask you a question on, on going into super bowl week and just all of this. I mean, I, you know, there is for, for Kansas City, this, you, you said they've been to seven straight championships games, they've been to five Super Bowls. This is old hat. But they do have a chance to make history, right? The. The three in a row. I mean, that history matters, I think, to all these guys. And the reality is they probably won't get this chance again and they certainly won't get this chance. At least with Kelsey and I wouldn't think so. I mean, this is a big one for them. Do you, if they win, where do you place this group in history just in terms of like, do they become one of the great runs of all time to you, I would say if.

[Patrick Mahomes]

You'Ve gone five and Captain America and then went to how many he won, what? How many win seven.

[Herm Edwards]

He won six over the course of like 18 years. So he won the seventh with Tampa Bay.

[Patrick Mahomes]

Right. But, but you know, it's in that vicinity. It's in the Pittsburgh Steelers era of when they were going, here we go, I hate to say the Dallas Cowboys when they had their little run. Right. I mean, it's, you know, when you, when you can repeat and win, you know, a couple Super Bowls within a five year span, that's really good, guys. That's very difficult. Look at the history of the league. How many teams have been able to do that? Not many. Right. And in today's world, with the free agency and all these other things going.

[Herm Edwards]

On, See, that's what makes it amazing to me is that outside of like three guys, it's different people. It's Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey and Chris Jones. And everyone else changes.

[Patrick Mahomes]

They do. But, and this is why I say the culture of this team in this locker room is really good. Because guys know when they go there, okay? This ain't just about winning some games. I got a chance to win a Super bowl and guys understand that. It was almost like when New England was going on their roll and you, you saw them acquire some players and you go, why is that guy going there? Well, you know, guys playing the league for five or six years ago, you know what, I've been in the playoffs, I go there. I know one thing, I'm in the playoffs and I got a pretty good chance of maybe getting in the right.

[Myron Metcalf]

Herm, what's your. I mean, because it feels like this is one of those games, as always, against Kansas City, you got to get off to the right start if you're going to have a chance. What would your message be to the Eagles? I mean, were you kind of like in big games, long speech guy, is it? These guys know what to do. Like, how did you approach those guys?

[Patrick Mahomes]

I think this, you know, the speech times over. You know, these guys know, I mean, they know what's at stake. And they played this group before and you just go back to the history of what happened the first time they had a 10 point lead at halftime and then squandered it going into the third quarter. Jalen had the big fumble for touchdown that the Chiefs were able to, you know, run in. So there were some things that happened in this game. They could look back at them, say, hey, look, we got to tighten these things up. We're good enough to beat these guys, but you got to go beat them. And then you got to say in the fourth quarter, guys, if it's a one score game, you know, depending who has the ball, if they have the ball, we got to stop them. If we have the ball, they got to stop us. So I think you feel good about that going in, but now you got to go do it because this is their, this is their aura of the Chiefs, right? When they get into this game, how do you beat them?

[Herm Edwards]

Let's finish with this. Let's say you coach Josh Allen.

[Patrick Mahomes]

Yes.

[Herm Edwards]

After what, after the losses that he's taken, you know. Yeah, I don't, I don't think you can put that game on him at all.

[Patrick Mahomes]

Oh no, but they did.

[Herm Edwards]

But they did have the ball in their hands with a chance. What do you say to it? Like, how do you keep getting up when you keep getting knocked down?

[Patrick Mahomes]

Well, that's the part of being a professional, right? That's what you do. Because look at the end, guys, there's only one team going to hold up the trophy. It doesn't matter. You know, these games become like when.

[Herm Edwards]

The state lost how many times in a row to Kansas City in the playoffs? 4.

[Patrick Mahomes]

I know, I mean I get it.

[Herm Edwards]

How do you, how do you keep getting.

[Patrick Mahomes]

Because you sit there and you go during the regular season, we could beat them. Here's the Buffalo's problem. Here's Buffalo's problem. They're 08 in playoff games on the road. It's deeper than the 0 and 4. They're 08. So you know what you got to tell them, hey guys, let's win enough games that you know what, we play all these playoff games at home. Let somebody come up here and try to beat us in a playoff game at home.

[Herm Edwards]

So I mean two years ago too.

[Patrick Mahomes]

Yeah, you know what I mean?

[Myron Metcalf]

You put a dome on that stadium out there, you wouldn't know. Stop playing those crazy condition regular conditions.

[Patrick Mahomes]

So scared.

[Herm Edwards]

This man is so scared of snow, it is unbelievable. He lives in Minnesota. Shouldn't play in snow.

[Myron Metcalf]

Shouldn't play games.

[Patrick Mahomes]

Well, because the game is different.

[Myron Metcalf]

It is. It's not the game.

[Patrick Mahomes]

It's not the same, you know, and, and, but that's the greatness of it. How do you build your team?

[Herm Edwards]

Thank you.

[Patrick Mahomes]

And you build your team when you're a cold weather team and you know that that is an advantage. When you're the Green Bay packers, you know how to build your team. It used to be when you're the Minnesota Vikings, you played outside, you built the team a certain way, you know and it's just, that's how you do it, you know. And it's like going, it's like going south, right? Yeah. To the heat. You know when you get those cold weather teams going down to Miami or to Tampa, you know, it's like, oh boy, we got to deal with that. Yeah, you got to deal with that man. So it all works out at the.

[Herm Edwards]

Not my.

[Myron Metcalf]

He wants, he wants comfortable. Yeah, he want, he wants to sit.

[Herm Edwards]

In his house with his matcha and with his reading the New York like that's what he's like he's football.

[Patrick Mahomes]

I understand.

[Herm Edwards]

That's right. Hey Herm, thank you very much my friend. We'll see you next week. Appreciate it. Super Bowl John Caliperi went into RUP arena for the first time and won and I was really sad. Yeah, we'll talk about it next.

[Matt]

The NFL Playoffs on ESPN Radio steps.

[Herm Edwards]

Up throws and he got it.

[Matt]

The latest news they have that ability.

[Myron Metcalf]

Because of the nature of their offense.

[Matt]

Plus predictions and reaction.

[Myron Metcalf]

My goal at the end of the.

[Herm Edwards]

Year is to win the Super Bowl.

[Myron Metcalf]

Nothing else matters.

[Matt]

The NFL Playoffs continuing coverage right here on ESPN Radio. Matt and Myron the Podcast when you.

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[Herm Edwards]

Hogs are going to dribble it out and Cal's going to have a sweet, sweet win firo. Four seconds. Three seconds. Cal saying don't shoot. This ball game is over. Arkansas has come to Kentucky. The rush of photographers to mid court as Cal greets Mark Pope in the handshake line and the Razorbacks have won the ball game 89 to 79. Not a fun day in Lexington. If you're like me and a Kentucky Wildcat fan. But if you are John Calipari hall of Fame coach. Had to be one of the most satisfying nights of his career as he comes back to RUP after 15 years with a not very good Arkansas. Arkansas team and wins in Lexington. 89, 79. It's kind of the kickoff on ESPN radio. It's the first time Cal Perry's ever beaten Kentucky as an opposing coach. He had lost a couple times at his stops before Kentucky. Yeah, Myron, I was there last night for the pregame. I have been Kentucky. I've been to Kentucky games, you know, my entire life. Been to a ton of them in the last 20 years. Probably the most intense environment I can ever remember. It felt like. I don't know, it felt like some historical event was about to happen before the game. Like everyone was in their seats an hour before the game. My bar, Myron, had more people in it yesterday than I ever remembered. I mean, just in turn and like. And from like the moment we opened at 11am until the game at 9pm the city was on edge. And everyone said, you have to beat Cal Perry.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

And then they don't.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

And Cal gets such a classic Cal thing. They've underachieved all year, and then they play their best game of the year and win in Lexington. I am not a neutral observer. I did not like, it made me very unhappy. You are a college basketball reporter and neutral observer. What did you think of Cal Perry getting his revenge last night?

[Myron Metcalf]

My first thought was, I should have been there. You know, that was my first thought.

[Herm Edwards]

Why wasn't college game day there? Like, what.

[Myron Metcalf]

Why did they go to that Duke.

[Herm Edwards]

North Carolina snooze fest last?

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm not in that world. I don't know anything about those decisions, but the atmosphere looked incredible. And then there was, like, the buildup. Like, it was already a crazy buildup. Right. And then when I saw Cal put out the videos of him on the floor the night before talking to his team, you know, like. Like, you know, Vince Lombardi or something like that. You know, how important it was. And looking up at the banners, I was like, this is a different form of trash talk, right? This was almost Cal being like, yeah, I'm not there anymore, but look at everything I did, you know? And I mean, so what did you.

[Herm Edwards]

Think about the booing? So, like, there. So I was in the building. Let me just. Let me explain what happened. I think if you listen on television, I couldn't tell. It sounded like everyone was booing. Yeah. That was not really the case. I mean, I would say the arena probably was 50 to 60% polite applause. But the problem about polite applause is it ain't as loud as booing, Right? A boo is gonna do better than a polite applause because there was no hooting and hollering for him. So it was either nice applause or boo. So the booing way overshadowed it, even though I think the arena was more split than it sounded like on tv.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I mean, like, I saw the video, right? And you can see people clapping. You just couldn't hear them, you know? So, like, it's weird because you hear the booze, but you see a bunch of people smiling. So I didn't know what was going on, if it felt really odd in some ways, because certainly he still has a lot of fans. And I also wonder, Matt, if there was a generational divide. Like, I guess what I observed, like the under 50 fans maybe booing and the over 50 fans maybe applauding. Was there anything there?

[Herm Edwards]

It was like this. First of all, the students stayed out from Friday afternoon till the game. And as I heard a girl in one of the videos say, I didn't camp out to cheer. Right.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's a great line. No, it is. That's a really good lie if you think about it.

[Herm Edwards]

You ain't spending all night on the concrete in 35 degree weather to give polite applause. You are there. You are there to boot. Then you throw that it's 9 o'clock at night and this city had been drinking like no one has ever drank leading up to it. So you combine the I ain't camping out to put to cheer with the it's 9:00, and I think that's why you got a lot of the booze. And then in the lower arena, there's a lot of people with a lot of money. So, like, those people tend to be polite applause kind of people, and they're bedazzled sweaters. But if you were John Caliperi and you walked out, first of all, would the booing have hurt you? And then second, what would it have been like for you when it was over and you got the win?

[Myron Metcalf]

I think the booing would have hurt. I mean, it was months ago. You were the leader of that program, won a national championship. I mean, I heard Patino, you know, Patino put out again. I don't.

[Herm Edwards]

Patino is, you know, Patino.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's been interesting.

[Herm Edwards]

I mean, Patino interjected himself in that he is the coach of St. John's and he's giving, like, comments to Kentucky fans about what they should do. It's unbelievable.

[Myron Metcalf]

I just wonder what the conversation like, hey, y'all, I'll be back. I gotta go record this video to talk about a job I had 30 years ago. Right. You know, it's like going to coffee with an ex from a couple decades ago.

[Herm Edwards]

The ego of his is really unbelievable.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. You're like, no, no, no, he's not what you think.

[Herm Edwards]

He's on vacation with his new wife. And it's like, honey, by the way, I'm gonna go have dinner tonight with my ex. I hope you're good with that.

[Myron Metcalf]

Stacy's in town, and I figured we would catch up, but that's how it feels. But I think it hurt Cal. And you could see how much emotion both coaches had in that game. At one point, Cal was almost like, standing in the corner of the court. Like, it was interesting how he kept roaming around. And it was intense, man. But to get the win, I'm sure it felt great. But he also had a lot of complicated emotions. I'm sure with everything as well.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah. That. Well, they. You know, the security situation in there was like, the president was there.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

First of all, for the first time that I ever remember, they would not sell bottles or cans of. Of. Of. Of, like, soda.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's amazing.

[Herm Edwards]

Like. Like, they poured everything into a cup because they worried people were going to throw it at. I mean, I don't know if they thought we were hooligans or whatever, but it was the. It was. I will remember the lead up to that. Like, my entire life, I've been in very few stadiums that were more tense, leading to a moment than to when Cal came out there. And then when they announced his name, the worst were really something else. 888, say ESPN. But they did win, so I guess he gets that. We will do more. Countdown to kickoff. Back to the Luca ad trade. Kara, I'm coming for you on the phone next. That's here on ESPN Radio. What do you mean? Why do you have it written 5620? Because it's 26. Oh, no. Never mind. Now, count that to kickoff on ESPN Radio.

[John Calipari]

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[Matt]

Matt and Myron. The podcast.

[Herm Edwards]

Kickoff here on ESPN Radio, presented by Progressive Insurance. The Mavericks and Lakers In a trade that still is crazy to people all over. One of the questions, we spent a lot of time talking, what's Dallas think? Why are they doing this? What about the Lakers? Brian Winhurst was ESPN's NBA insider. He was on SportsCenter all night and talking about LeBron in this instance. Did he even know this was coming?

[H]

I don't think LeBron knew about this. And I know a lot of people think that that's fake, you know, shams. And our Dave McMenamond reported tonight that LeBron didn't know. And I already saw the reaction on social media. They don't believe it. I do believe it. Not just because I believe those reporters, but because I don't think the Lakers wanted to put this on LeBron's plate about knowing about maybe trading Anthony Davis. So LeBron is very close to him. They want a title together. So I want to see what LeBron says about this and what his next step is and how he feels about it. But as far as I know, he. He has huge admiration for Luca.

[Herm Edwards]

I'm interested that he hasn't put out a statement yet about it. Now, he will, I'm sure, say that he's happy about it, and I bet he probably on some level is. But at the same time, I'm going to take the weird opinion, Myron.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

That for this season, I actually don't think Luca LeBron is as good as LeBron AD. Because I don't think they complement each other as well this season. Now, for the Lakers, they might even agree with that, but they'll say we want Luca for the future. And I'm not saying that's a crazy position to. At all.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

But Luca and LeBron do a lot of the same stuff.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

And they. And now you're going to have no one to rebound, no one to protect the rim. I mean, I do think they went. The Lakers were already a team outside of Anthony Davis. That was poor defensively. They just got worse defensively. So I'm not sure in the short term, they actually made the team better. Yeah, in the long term, I think they did. But in the short term.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, I agree. I think. I mean, one question I have is, are they done right?

[Herm Edwards]

They may not be.

[Myron Metcalf]

You know, like, that's the question. Like, the deadline's still a week away. Um, but I could also see a world where you're going. LeBron can still do amazing things. I mean, a 30 plus point triple last night. Um, but he can't do them as often. So I could See a world where you go, okay, Luka can handle these responsibilities, give LeBron more of a break. Um, and maybe that helps the team right now in the final years. LeBron. But I think overall this move tells me The Lakers believe LeBron is retiring now or he's going to retire a year from now, but that, you know, he's not going to try to be one of these guys who goes three, four more years, even though he's talked like that. So this is about the future. And if that's the case, the Lakers look like they just got a generational talent in this trade and that they can build around him for the next decade, assuming he stays healthy. So that makes complete sense to me when it comes to what the Lakers are thinking with LeBron James, ages, age, and the unknown about a team that I think is a five seed right now in the playoff picture, Dallas is more perplexing.

[Herm Edwards]

Mavericks and Lakers play each other in the playoffs this year. Who you got?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I mean, the Lakers are a higher seed right now. Obviously, Anthony Davis is a big part of that.

[Herm Edwards]

I don't know. As you've been very.

[Myron Metcalf]

Has been. Yeah. Healthy. Luca, I'd say seven game series, that could go either way. It might be a toss up for me.

[Herm Edwards]

Honestly, I think the Mavericks are better this year. I'm surprised. I think a lot of it's just emotion. But I think for this year, the Mavericks are better. Now, long term, this is clearly like, Luca is better with them. Long term, with the Lakers, yeah. But in the short term, I think the Kyrie AD thing could work. I really do. I mean, maybe I'll be wrong, but I think it can.

[Myron Metcalf]

They're gonna be good. I mean, A.D. i mean, his last game didn't score like 40 or something like that. Yeah, I mean, they can be good.

[Herm Edwards]

Like if. Unless you really follow the NBA, there's always been this narrative about AD well, he always gets hurt. Well, not now.

[Myron Metcalf]

Not recently, no.

[Herm Edwards]

I mean, I knock on wood. Hopefully it doesn't happen, but, like, he hasn't been recently. So, you know, I mean, we'll see. But I. I get what Dallas was trying to do. I don't know that it was the best decision in the world, but I get it. 888, say ESPN. What do you think? I want to hear from all of you, all Lakers, Mavericks fans, even if you're not a Lakers or Mavericks fan. Good trade, bad trade, indifferent. Let's go to Kara in Colorado. Carrie, you've been waiting, so I'm ready to hear you.

[I]

I Think it means, Sarah, but yeah. So once this all plays out, I think we're going to find that it's not quite as lopsided of a trade as everybody's acting like it is. But, I mean, if Luke is causing issues in the locker room or for whatever reason, it's not working with him. I mean, I think you can draw a big parallel here from the situation at Kentucky with Cal and Pope. Like, when we're questioning, did we do the right thing with Cal and all of that. I mean, we knew what was going to happen, or we didn't know what was going to happen if he went. Like, he may go and win five championships, we don't know. But we certainly know what's going to happen if he stays. And it's not five championships. So, I mean, why not get him out? Get as much as you can for him before he has a more serious injury, and, you know, now he's just sitting here sinking up the place, and he can't do anything for you, and you can't get anything for him.

[Herm Edwards]

I actually don't disagree with that.

[Myron Metcalf]

I appreciate.

[Herm Edwards]

I mean, we just don't know the extent to which. Myron. The Dallas Mavericks hated Luca. I'm. I'm thinking they must have really hated. They must have really hated this trade. Doesn't make sense. Unless they were like, we don't want to be in the Luca business anymore.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, and Nico Harrison's quote to Tim McMahon was, you know, defense was championships. Usually in these moments, a team will say, we appreciate and admire everything that our young star has done. You haven't heard any of that yet from Dallas. And that, to me, is really odd because that's usually the first thing. We didn't want to do this, but we felt like it was better for everyone involved. The Mavericks are simply saying, we're better without Luka. And I got to hear more on why they think that is.

[Herm Edwards]

Do you think that'll come out? Do you think.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes. 100.

[Herm Edwards]

You do?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. Because they. You can't make a generational move like this unless there is something. Again, they're not talking about Luca as this superstar that they just lost. They're talking like, hey, there's stuff going on that you all don't know about, and it's going to make sense at the end.

[Herm Edwards]

If that. If that is true, would you be at that point willing to maybe modify your opinion on the trade? If there was. If you had a source that was like, look, man, Luca just doesn't do X anymore, or he's like hurting the locker room. Like, if you were to hear all that. I'm not saying any of that's true, but if you were to hear that's the case, would it make more sense to you then.

[Myron Metcalf]

It wouldn't. If I heard that stuff and he was 29 going into year 30. Yes, but at 25, Matt. How many 25 year olds, Matt, have we covered who by 27, 28, suddenly found this level of maturity and just changed who they were?

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah, but I think the Europeans are different because they've been pros for a long time. Right. So if you were, you know, a kid who comes from high school, goes to college for a couple years, comes in, the NBA is a little bit of, like, all over the place, but Luca's been playing professional basketball since he was, like, 15 years old, right? So, I mean, to me, if you just looked at Luka in the face, you might think he was 35 years old. I mean, to me, he's an old soul. So to me, I kind of feel like whatever Luca is, is what he is, you know?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. Yeah. No, but I mean, if. Even if that's the case, if you tell me he's out of shape, bad practice habits. 5. All NBA first team appearances by 25.

[Herm Edwards]

Only two other dudes in history.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, that's special, you know?

[Herm Edwards]

That is very special. 888. Say ESPN. Let us know what you think. Jordan is in Texas. You like the trade and. Or not.

[J]

Hey, my earnest tussle king, what are you doing, buddy? I'm a fan of the trick. Yeah, I'm a fan of the trade. I think everybody is thinking, just Anthony Davis, just a scrub. They forget what he's done. Like y'all said, he was one of the three players to do what he's done in his career. And, you know, I like the way that they handle that front court. Like I said, it's a win.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah, we lost him there. Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

I looked it up. By the way. It's the. The people who've done what Anthony Davis has done. Won the national title. One national player of the year, won an Olympic gold medal and an NBA title. It is Bill Walton, Magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. That's amazing.

[Herm Edwards]

That's a pretty good group, right, Bill.

[Myron Metcalf]

Bill Russell's not in there.

[Herm Edwards]

Did he win a gold medal? If he did, then he. He wasn't on the list. But that could be wrong. I mean, it was. It's one. You know, it's one of those AI lists, I think, which.

[Myron Metcalf]

Oh, they Might not have been letting brothers play on the Olympic team back then. I don't know. I don't know. It might have been one of those situations for Bill.

[Herm Edwards]

How could you bring that up? It's Groundhog Day.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm just saying that might be it.

[Herm Edwards]

Luke is in Vermont. What's up, Luke?

[J]

Hey, guys. I'm a Lakers fan. I think this definitely makes the Lakers a better team. My biggest concern is going to be how much whining can come from one team. With LeBron and Luca on the same.

[Herm Edwards]

Team, the refs are just going to be like, oh, my goodness, will you all shut up?

[Myron Metcalf]

The flop. It will be clap. It will be epic levels of flopping. Man.

[Herm Edwards]

Are you. Are you. Does this make you, as a Lakers fan, more excited for the future?

[J]

Yes, it does. Just because Anthony Davis has been fantastic. But you can never count on them to be healthy.

[Myron Metcalf]

But he's been saying that he's been.

[Herm Edwards]

A lot healthier than Luka has.

[J]

Has he?

[Herm Edwards]

Yes. I mean, in the last three seasons, he's only missed a handful of games, whereas Luka's been hurt every single year. And with the way his, like, training regimen is, you have to assume he'll be on. He'll get hurt every year.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, here's. And here's the difference between the two. If you want to say they both have an injury history, right? Because they do. When it comes to Anthony Davis, no one sees him and goes, he's getting hurt because he's out of shape. Like, he's coming into the season not prepared to play. And that's why these injuries are happening. They're just saying he's a big man. And, you know, there's a lot of pressure on your knees. That's what happens to him. With Luca. They're saying he doesn't take the off season seriously, which is why he gets hurt during the season. And that, to me, is the big difference between the two guys and how they're viewed.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah, that is 888. Say SPN. There are a lot of other headlines beyond just Luca and Anthony Davis, the Super bowl and Caliperi. And you might have missed some of them. We'll give you the headlines you haven't heard yet. That's next on ESPN Radio.

[Matt]

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[Herm Edwards]

He's got another.

[Matt]

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[Myron Metcalf]

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[Matt]

Plus predictions and reaction. Super Week 2025 live from New Orleans, Louisiana, next week on ESPN Radio, brought to you by GNC and Verizon. Matt and Myron, the podcast.

[Myron Metcalf]

Oh.

[Herm Edwards]

So Beyonce has announced she's going on a new the tour. Cowboy Carter tour. Country music tour. Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't. You know.

[Herm Edwards]

Are you gonna go?

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't. You can't talk about Beyonce, man, like her fans are.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah, you can.

[Myron Metcalf]

Serious. Not when you're a brother, you can't.

[Herm Edwards]

I just ask you if you're going to the tour or not?

[Myron Metcalf]

No. But then if I say no, then it's gonna sound like I'm knocking Beyonce.

[Herm Edwards]

I'm not going. Am I getting trouble?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, but you're different.

[Herm Edwards]

I'm telling you, baby. Why am I different?

[Myron Metcalf]

Because if you are black and you talk about Beyonce a certain way, it's not a good look. I don't think I would go to the tour.

[Herm Edwards]

You told me that. I can go to the cookout.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't think I would go to the tour. I'll just say this. That album doesn't do a whole lot for me. So what's the.

[Herm Edwards]

Just say that. Why can't you just say that?

[Myron Metcalf]

Because it's like if you bring up Beyonce and people want to argue about. I don't care enough about music to argue with people about. I like what I like, and I think music should be that, you know?

[Herm Edwards]

Be proud of who you are. Why can't you just say, I'm Byron Metcalf and I don't like the entrepreneurship?

[Myron Metcalf]

Then you get into the whole, was she supposed to win at the CMA's? And I don't know. I don't just say I don't know.

[Herm Edwards]

Repeat after me. I'm Meyer Metcalf.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm Meyer Metcalf, and I don't like Beyonce. See, that's what. You can't do that, man.

[Herm Edwards]

I can't say that. No.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm not saying I don't like Beyonce. Beyonce's incredible. I love Beyonce.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay, let me try again.

[Myron Metcalf]

Here's my thing about Beyonce.

[Herm Edwards]

Let's try again. Hang on. Let's try again. I'm Meyer Metcalf.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm Meyer Metcalf.

[Herm Edwards]

And I don't like Beyonce. Country album.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's not what I said. It doesn't appeal. It's not something I listen to.

[Herm Edwards]

Let's just put it.

[Myron Metcalf]

Don't say that. Don't say it. I think. I think we get to a point. No, I think we get to a point. Listen. We get to a point where our artist. Queen bee.

[Herm Edwards]

Are you scared of the queen bee?

[Myron Metcalf]

Do you know about the beehive? The beehive is no joke, man. This is no joke. You don't want to mess with them, man.

[Herm Edwards]

I've.

[Myron Metcalf]

I've been.

[Herm Edwards]

I got stuck in a beehive one.

[Myron Metcalf]

You don't want to mess with this beehive, man. Here's what I'm saying. We get to the point where, like, our artists reach a level where, like, you can't criticize him in any way or it's like, becomes a bigger thing.

[Herm Edwards]

You gotta stop. You gotta stop. You gotta just. If you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't.

[Myron Metcalf]

I just said it's not for. It's not for me. Like, someone cooks something that's maybe not to your taste buds, you know, you don't say, I hate this macaroni. You say, you know what? Not. Not.

[Herm Edwards]

Okay, how about this? Let's try again.

[Myron Metcalf]

You know, I'm Iron Metcalf, dude. Don't have me say nothing. I'm on.

[Herm Edwards]

And Beyonce's not for me.

[Myron Metcalf]

Don't say that. So you just trying to get me involved in this. I love Beyonce. You're trying to get me involved in this thing. And then. And then when you're black, too. Listen, it becomes. It becomes Taylor Swift versus I have. I don't care about any of that. I think they're both admiring.

[Herm Edwards]

It is okay that you like Taylor Swift more than.

[Myron Metcalf]

See, man. Dude, why are you. See, this is why you can't talk to white people about everything. You gotta. We gotta keep some stuff at the barbershop. Cause you pulling me in the conversations that I'm not trying to have.

[Herm Edwards]

You always tell me that you like me because you can have these conversations. So why can't you have this conversation?

[Myron Metcalf]

Because Beyonce's a. It's a different thing, man. In terms of how.

[Herm Edwards]

But, you know, I don't feel that way about, like, Garth Brooks. I'm not like. Nobody can say Garth Brooks.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, it's only Taylor and Beyonce in their family. Do you think it's a good country album? Now, listen, you're a country music.

[Herm Edwards]

Oh, it's not. Well, let me just say this. I hate. I'm a huge country music fan, but I like old school country. I don't like new country, like twangy guitars, George Jones, like Mer.

[Myron Metcalf]

All My exes Live in Texas.

[Herm Edwards]

Johnny Cash. You know that. Tyler Childers. That's my stuff. So, no, I don't like Beyonce's album, but it's not like it's. It's the same stuff that's out now. It's like more sort of hip hoppy. But so what? It's fine. I'm fine with her doing it. It's just not for me. I don't understand why you can't say, like, Taylor Swift's not for me, but I'm okay saying that.

[Myron Metcalf]

But it's not that Beyonce is not for me.

[Herm Edwards]

It's.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's that. That particular album just. And I think the Grammys are tonight. They could win album of the year. I don't think she's ever won a Grammy for album of the year.

[Herm Edwards]

So you want to go ahead and say the album of the year by Beyonce is not for me.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, I just don't. She announced the tour, and I'm trying to figure out who's going because, I don't know.

[Herm Edwards]

You get on here. You will get on here and literally say things like, patrick Mahomes, can't wash my car. Like, you'll say that kind of stuff.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm afraid you will.

[Herm Edwards]

Not even.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm afraid of the Beyonce.

[Herm Edwards]

Don't like Beyonce.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm afraid of the Beyonce people. It's definitive in the commercial breaks.

[I]

It's.

[Herm Edwards]

It's just when we're on air that. Why are you so scared?

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm afraid of the Beyonce because they're the Beyond Beehive.

[Herm Edwards]

Let me ask you a question. You think the Beehive is listening to Countdown to kickoff at 11:52 in the morning on ESP.

[Myron Metcalf]

But that's what happens to guys. They say that stuff, and then something goes viral, and next thing you know, you got 125 DMS calling you out your name. I just don't get involved with stuff like that, man. You know?

[Herm Edwards]

All right, so we gotta get. Gotta get you on the record with something, because you're not. Okay, so let's. Let's try one more. Let's see if you'll do this one. I'm my Metcalf.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm I Metcalf.

[Herm Edwards]

And Beyonce's country album is not for me.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm on Metcalf. And I can understand how Beyonce's country album appeals to others, but it just does not appeal to me necessarily.

[Herm Edwards]

I'm going to go ahead and apologize in advance.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm not being a coward. You act like I'm being a coward.

[Herm Edwards]

You're not supposed to say stuff like this on espn. But I listen to Stephen A. So I'm fine. You sound like the Republican Congress people talking about Trump. Like, I wouldn't do that. But he's a duly elected president. That's what you sound like. Can you not Just say that you do not like Beyonce's album.

[Myron Metcalf]

You just go from one, you know, ridiculous thing to the other.

[Herm Edwards]

People should be able to say, like.

[Myron Metcalf]

Do you do that to food? You don't do that to food, do you? If you're at someone's house and they make a dish that you don't like.

[Herm Edwards]

But we are not at Beyonce's house. We are on the radio.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't want to sound that I'm being critical in any way. That's the hard part, because I'm not being critical here.

[Herm Edwards]

Let me give you an example of how you could do it.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay.

[Herm Edwards]

How would you talk about. Let me talk about you, because I, you know, you. You're one of my really great friends.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

I will say this to you.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

I love you, my Metcalf.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

But your wardrobe on television needs serious work.

[Myron Metcalf]

How do we get there from Beyonce?

[Herm Edwards]

Because I'm wanting you to see that I can be critical of someone I love. Of someone I love.

[Myron Metcalf]

Wait, wait, wait.

[Herm Edwards]

And still, it's not a bad thing to do.

[Myron Metcalf]

But you have a doctorate in being critical of people you love. I think it's actually something you do better than people maybe you don't love. So, I mean, that. That's not a hard thing, I think, for you. But how do we get there from Beyonce?

[Herm Edwards]

Well, I was just saying, you said you don't want to, like, go to someone's house and say something. I'm just.

[Myron Metcalf]

What would you say to the person, though? Bad food. What do you say? Someone serves you a dish?

[Patrick Mahomes]

Don't.

[Herm Edwards]

You don't say that. But if I were to go to a restaurant and my job was to review restaurants, I'd be like, you know what? The chicken was a little bland. It's okay. You can say, but that doesn't mean I don't love the fish they have there. So you can say, I still will. Listen to. To the left. To the left.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

Everything you own in Fox, you can do that. And not like, this is Houston, this is Dallas, or whatever.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's. I just don't. Yeah, I don't.

[Herm Edwards]

This ain't El Paso.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know enough about country music history to get into it. Like, who cares about the history?

[Herm Edwards]

Do you like the song or not?

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm just. Maybe it's because I don't know how to square that. Like, it feel. These sound like square dancing. Square dancing songs. I. I don't know how to do that.

[Herm Edwards]

First of all, ain't nobody does square people.

[Myron Metcalf]

I thought y'all are square dancing.

[Herm Edwards]

It's called line Y'all ain't square dancing Anymore. Line dancing.

[Myron Metcalf]

Line dancing. Is that what it is? I thought that was square dance.

[Herm Edwards]

Onesie2 swing your girl I don't know.

[Myron Metcalf]

Where to get the boots if I'm.

[Herm Edwards]

Being honest to the headlines because Myron was so scared of Beyonce. So we will do the headlines. We will do the headlines. Should be afraid here on ESPN Radio, presented by Progress Progressive Insurance. Insurance for motorcycles, boats and RV protection on the road and water. See how much you can save at 1-800-progressive and progressive.com countdown to kickoff back after this.

[John Calipari]

Hey, it's your resident super bowl champ Chris Candy coming on Monday, NBA huge college basketball rivalry games. And I'll react to it all in my upon further review at 7am Eastern. It's on Sportsmanlike weekday mornings at 6 right here on ESPN radio, ESPN2 and ESPNU.

[Matt]

Thanks for listening to Matt and Myron the Podcast. You can listen to the show live every Sunday morning at 10am Eastern on ESPN Radio, the ESPN app, and on SiriusXM Channel 80. Matt and Myron the Podcast.