Hour 2: The Sentence is Wrong

Summary

Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron

Episode: Hour 2: The Sentence is Wrong
Date: November 2, 2025
Hosts: Matt Jones & Myron Medcalf (ESPN Radio)

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Episode Overview

In this energetic and wide-ranging hour, Matt and Myron deliver their usual blend of sports analysis, banter, and humor, focusing on the week’s hottest NFL matchups, coaching rumors, and fan culture. They dive into the Bills-Chiefs rivalry, discuss the Colts and their feisty fanbase, break down wild stories from the college football world, debate the merits of Bengals fandom, and go on detours about Halloween costumes and candy theft. The episode blends sharp football wisdom with playful audience engagement and personal anecdotes, making for an entertaining Sunday sports chat.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bengals-Bears Pregame & Football Culture

• Matt broadcasts from Cincinnati’s Holy Grail, right beside Paul Brown Stadium, sharing live vibes of the Bengals crowd ahead of a crucial game.
• He recalls talking to Tony Pike, ex-University of Cincinnati QB, who played with both Jason and Travis Kelce:
  “His center was Jason Kelsey and his tight end was Travis Kelsey. How about that?” (01:02)
• Discussion about awkward invites: Tony Pike unsure what to wear if invited to Travis Kelce’s wedding.

2. NFL Showdown: Chiefs vs. Bills – Rivalry & Legacy

(02:27–05:59)

• Matt and Myron dig into the Mahomes-Allen rivalry, its postseason implications, and legacy stakes.
  • Myron: “Josh Allen’s legacy is going to be defined by whether or not he can beat Patrick Mahomes at some point, right?” (03:30)
  • Matt underlines the drama: every Chiefs-Bills game feels like high art at QB play but the postseason is where it truly matters.

Home-Field Advantage:

• Matt: “This is a big game… today could decide who has home field advantage when you play that game in January.” (04:21)
• Myron counters, only the Bills need home-field, the Chiefs have proved they can win anywhere.
  “If you’re the Bills, you need home field advantage. That’s a better way to put it.” (04:47)

Roster Comparison:

• Myron, on who he’d rather be:
  “The roster with Patrick Mahomes, I would think… Kansas City is getting healthy at the right time.” (05:39)

3. Colts Fan Blowback & Quarterback Debates

• Matt reads critical listener messages, accusing Myron of Colts-bashing.
• Myron stands ground:
  • On Coach Shane Steichen: “He’s probably your Coach of the Year in the NFL.” (06:44)
  • Spars with a listener about Daniel Jones:
    “At the end of the day, Daniel Jones is the quarterback. I don’t believe Daniel Jones goes into the playoffs in the AFC and beats other AFC contenders. I’m not sold on that yet. And that’s okay.” (08:38)
• Matt jokes: “You’ve turned me into more of a Daniel Jones fan than I would have been.” (09:09)

Supporting Cast Reality:

• Matt questions if Josh Allen has enough help; Myron:
  “No one’s going to remember Josh Allen and say, well, look at his supporting cast… that’s not going to be different for Josh Allen. And guess what? Josh Allen knows that.” (09:40)

4. Sunday Headlines: Sports Stories Off the Beaten Path

(13:08–22:11)

Bengals Season Ticket Woes:

• James shares a Reddit tale: A fan tried to cancel Bengals tickets and got grilled by the front office.
• Matt: “I don’t know that you need to be getting into substantive arguments with the fans… If a guy calls to sell the season tickets, you should just say, you know what? How do we keep you?” (14:16)
• Myron reminisces about buying magazine subscriptions from telemarketers—turns out, he even had National Geographic as an adult.
  “They should hire those people… it’s always like, eight magazines for free.” (15:28)

LSU Coaching Carousel:

• Former LSU coach Ed Orgeron’s open campaigning for his old job:
  • Ed Orgeron: “I’d love to. You kidding me? I’m one Polk all the way. Hey, I just gotta get in my truck. I’ll be back. I could be there today.” (16:32)
• Matt laughs:
  “I like when people that schools have no interest in announce that they would actually work for them… No one has hired you since then.” (17:29)

Kentucky’s 'First Win' Over Auburn?

• The crew rips into a flawed stat about Kentucky’s football record against Auburn, parsing out the actual numbers live.
• Myron fact-checks: “Auburn is 28, seven and one against Kentucky. So Kentucky’s 1 7. Okay, that’s more than zero.” (20:04)

SEC Coach Hot Seat:

• Matt: “You hire a guy like Hugh Freeze, you ain't doing it for the personality and the good behavior. Which means, you know what, Myron? You better win.” (20:50)
• Myron: “No, they got to move on. I think it's (buyout) $22 million ... it goes down to 15 in a few weeks. Do you let him play out to save $7 million?” (21:16)

5. Cincinnati Tailgate Culture & Playoff Stakes

(23:15–26:50)

• Matt lauds Cincinnati’s fans:
  “They do have the drunkest pregame fan base in the entire NFL… It’s 11:30 in the morning and they’re already well on their way here.” (24:09)
• Myron:
  “Yeah, we were out there last year. It’s like the Bills without the picnic tables.” (24:17)
• Both agree Sunday’s Bengals-Bears tilt is a must-win playoff tiebreaker for each.

6. Caleb Williams’ Rollercoaster Rookie Year

(26:50–31:09)

• Bears rookie QB Caleb Williams remains a weekly enigma.
• Matt:
  “As a Bears fan, my opinion of Caleb Williams fluctuates week to week. There are weeks where I think, okay, we've got our quarterback of the future. And then there are weeks last week where I go, yeah, I don't know if this is the guy…” (27:42)
• Myron compares it to dating on “Love Is Blind UK”:
  “I think if you’re the Bears, you can’t introduce Caleb Williams to the family yet necessarily.” (31:44)
• Both agree: no signature “brilliant” moment yet for Williams, but there’s time.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Mahomes-Allen:
  • “At the end of the day, Josh Allen’s legacy is going to be defined by whether or not he can beat Patrick Mahomes at some point, right?” – Myron (03:39)
  • “These two guys are, in my opinion, artists when it comes to playing quarterback.” – Matt (04:01)
• Colts Fans Chirping:
  • “Go ahead and get a show and then you can decide what you think the Colts are and then people can listen to you.” – Myron (06:54)
• Bengals Ticket Office:
  • “I don’t know that you need to be getting into substantive arguments with the fans over the front office moves.” – Matt (14:16)
• Halloween & Candy:
  • “Stop stealing candy. Don’t dump the whole bowl.” – Myron (34:42)
  • “I don’t think it’s stealing if you left it out for them to take.” – Matt (34:49)
• Kentucky-Auburn Stat Debacle:
  • “The sentence says it's the first time Kentucky's beaten Auburn. Then the next sentence is they lost 19 of the last 20. Presumably though that means they won one of the 20.” – Matt (19:45)
• Flo Rida Detour:
  • “Anything by Flo Rida, Flow Rider, Any song that Flo Rider has ever made.” – Myron (36:58)
• Caleb Williams & Love Is Blind:
  • “I think if you’re the Bears, you can’t introduce Caleb Williams to the family yet necessarily.” – Myron (31:44)

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Fun Tangents & Banter

• Magazine Subscriptions: Myron owned National Geographic into adulthood and equates magazine sellers’ hustle to what the Bengals ticket office needs.
• Halloween Costumes: Spirited debate about how far is too far—Myron’s minimalist stance vs. Matt’s “Ellie De La Jones” (Reds star) costume, eye black included but drew the line at dreads.
• Candy Theft: Disagreement over whether kids who take the whole bowl of Halloween candy are resourceful or criminal.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Chiefs-Bills Rivalry Deep Dive: 02:27–05:59
• Reader Mail/Colts Critique: 06:13–09:09
• Josh Allen Supporting Cast: 09:09–10:14
• Sunday Headlines Segment: 13:08–22:11
  • Bengals ticket office story around 13:27
  • Ed Orgeron interview clip at 16:30
• Kentucky-Auburn Record Debacle: 18:47–20:13
• Bengals Pre-tailgate Culture: 23:15–24:55
• Caleb Williams Rollercoaster: 27:42–31:44
• Halloween/Candy Debate: 34:04–34:52
• Flo Rida Music Tangent: 36:58–37:49

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Conclusion

This episode features the classic Matt & Myron mix of sharp NFL and college football insight, listener interaction, and freewheeling humor. From the high drama of Mahomes vs. Allen, the volatility of young quarterbacks, and ongoing coaching mysteries, to lighter subjects like trick-or-treat etiquette, they keep the conversation lively and deeply relatable—perfect Sunday sports radio.

Transcript

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[Myron]

Is Matt and Myron the podcast.

[Matt]

See, that's my favorite of the intros. When we get a little Tyler Childers after it. Matt, Myron on ESPN Radio. I got some new music for you to listen to, Myron, in that, in that genre. Maybe the old 60s. Check them out when you get a chance.

[Myron]

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[Matt]

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[Myron]

What is that?

[Matt]

It's like a me. It's like, like that kind of music. Like, kind of bluegrassy funk. Like you know, you got, you can check it out. We're counting down here to kick off. Presented by the progressive Keys to Progress program. Gifting cars to veterans in need. I'm in Cincinnati, Ohio, at the Holy Grail, which is just about a couple blocks away from Paul Brown Stadium. The Bengals and the Bears play today. Full house of people here watching the Bengals. I was talking just a minute ago, Myron, to Tony pike, former University of Cincinnati quarterback, NFL backup. How about this? He played college football for Brian Kelly at Cincinnati. His center was a guy named Jason Kelsey and his tight end was a guy named Travis Kelsey. How about that?

[Myron]

That's pretty amazing. That's pretty amazing. Is he going to the thing that.

[Matt]

Brian Kelly and the Kelsey brothers were on the, were in the same team.

[Myron]

Is he going to the thing?

[Matt]

Well, he said we. I asked him if he thought he would get on the invite list and he said he didn't know, but he said if he did, he didn't know if he had anything to wear either, which, that would be tough. You get invited to the Travis Kelsey wedding. What do you wear? You know, you got to look good.

[Myron]

I don't think anyone cares. I mean, I think that's the advantage. Not going to be on you.

[Matt]

You don't think they'll care what Tony pike is wearing if he goes to the wedding?

[Myron]

No, I think. I don't think they'll care.

[Matt]

That's a good point. You would get the least. You'd be good to go to that and get the least publicity of any of the people.

[Myron]

I think you're okay.

[Matt]

Well, speaking of that, the Chiefs and the Bills, this is really going back to 2021. Probably the highest profile game that the NFL puts on every year. They kind of put it on at the midpoint of the season to kind of re. Energize people. It's on at 4:30. It'll probably get the most massive rating of the year. You get Josh Allen, you get Patrick Mahomes. Now, both teams, it's a little different this year. Bills have two losses, Chiefs have three. However, I would still argue these are, in my opinion, still the two best teams in the afc. We'll see what happens when the playoffs come. Are you. Are you as amped for this Mahomes Allen battle as you've been in years past?

[Myron]

It's the same for me. I mean, it's a great battle. You want to see how it plays out. These are two of the top three quarterbacks in the NFL. I think we all agree with that, but we're just talking about appetizer for what we expect to see in the postseason. At the end of the day, Josh Allen's legacy is going to be defined by whether or not he can beat Patrick Mahomes at some point, right?

[Matt]

Yes.

[Myron]

That he can beat Mahomes in the most important games of the year in the postseason. And unless he can do that, I don't think anyone is overly excited about these regular season matchups compared to what we know matters most. And that's going to be the postseason.

[Matt]

I love it because every one of these games comes down to the end. You know what I mean? These are great battles.

[Myron]

And it's.

[Matt]

It's the quarterback position at its absolute peak performance. You know what I mean? That's what I love about it, is these two guys are, in my opinion, artist when it comes to playing quarterback. I love the way that they're never out of the game. It does seem like in recent years the postseason has been the thing Josh can't do. But I would argue this year for the Chiefs, this is a big game. I mean, you know, these two teams could very well ended up in a situation, Myron, where today decides who has home field advantage when you play that game and in January. Now, they've shown over the years that you don't have to have home field advantage to win the game in January. But I still think it matters, especially when you consider weather possibilities.

[Myron]

Yeah, Kansas City has Proven that you can put them in any situation. They can win a Super Bowl. But if you're the Bills, you need home field advantage.

[Matt]

Have a chance. That's a better way to put it. I agree with that. You don't feel confident they go into Kansas City and win?

[Myron]

No. And I think Josh Allen knows that better than most. At the end of the day, it's. It's unfair. But we may have three or four the greatest quarterbacks that we've ever seen that history won't remember unless they can beat Patrick Mahomes. That will be forgotten over time because they could not get past a guy that many people believe could be the greatest of all time when it's all said and done. So today is a great matchup. Right? Bill's Chiefs is always fun, but I think we all agree. Let's see what happens when these two teams meet in the postseason.

[Kevin Clark]

When you.

[Matt]

Which of these two teams would you rather be like right now? Which of the two rosters do you like more?

[Myron]

I mean, the roster with Patrick Mahomes, I would think. I mean, Kansas City is getting healthy at the right time. I don't buy into the Bills lose. The Bills lose one or two bad games every year where you just don't really understand it. I think they'll show up in the postseason when it matters most and I think they'll be right there with Kansas City and anybody else who's contending. But you don't want to lose by 10 points today, Matt, like you want. You don't want somebody to, you know, feel like you're not on the same level as Kansas City in today's matchup and then that bleeds into the postseason. So there is a statement that I think you can make today.

[Matt]

You. You really have kicked a Colts hornet nest. I'm going to read you some Colts fan comments for you, myron. You ready?

[Myron]

Okay.

[Matt]

1. Does myon ever watch a Colts game? Can he tell me one thing about the Colts team that is not him? Just saying Daniel Jones can't play.

[Myron]

I called Jonathan Taylor the MVP of the league. I believe people missed that part.

[Matt]

Well, I think.

[Myron]

I don't know if they did or not.

[Matt]

What about besides Jonathan Taylor?

[Myron]

I called Jonathan. I mean, I think Shane Stackett is. Is doing a good job of proving a lot of people wrong. People thought he might be on the hot seat by this point in the season and now he's probably your coach of the year in the NFL. I'm not knocking the Colts and saying they haven't done a Great job with what's been presented to them. But you don't. You're not going to make me turn the Colts into a Super bowl team. This ain't your show. Get a show. How about that? Go ahead and get a show and then you can decide what you think the Colts are and then people can listen to you. Until then.

[Matt]

Wait a minute. Are you already doing the get your own show comment?

[Myron]

Like, I'm doing it to people in Indianapolis. Like, I'm not. I'm not going to accept that there's reason to doubt the Colts. Okay. Daniel Jones is playing. Well, I'm in Minnesota. Matt.

[Matt]

Show. That's what you're gonna. Wow.

[Myron]

If that. If that's what they want to do. Here's my point, Matt. I'm in Minnesota. We on this show last year watched Sam Darnold win 14 games.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Myron]

And look unbeatable in the regular season. But we all knew that once things got tough that this could fall apart. That. That he is looks really good under the circumstances. But what if everything's not great? And I think that's what we're talking about with Daniel Jones. He's going to have a chance to prove he playing the Texans, which obviously they haven't been as great as people expected. But you're going to play Kansas City, you're going to play a bunch of other potential playoff teams and we'll find out. But, like, what are you talking about?

[Matt]

What about this comment? One person says, I've been listening to you and Myron forever. I love you, too. But this first hour may have been Myron's worst take hour of all time. First he tries to guilt me into rooting for a Canadian team. Like, at its core, we're not all Americans. And then he tries to tell me that the Colts, which are America's team, should somehow not be believed in. Of all of Myron Metcalf's hours, this is the one he should be most ashamed about.

[Myron]

Mr. Metcalfe, I mean, next on Newsmax. I don't know what you're talking about. Like, at the end of the day, I was talking about the Blue Jays as sort of the underdog against the Dodgers. And I think a lot of people can relate to that idea. If you're hurt by me talking about the Colts and doubting them, so what? At the end of the day, Daniel Jones is the quarterback. I don't believe Daniel Jones goes into the playoffs in the AFC and beats other AFC contenders. I'm not sold on that yet. And that's okay.

[Matt]

You've turned me into more of a Daniel Jones fan than I would have been, than I would have, than I would have been originally. Do you, does Josh Allen back to the Bills and Chiefs for a second, does he have enough around him to win a Super bowl this year? I still think this is, this may be the worst supporting cast he's had in his years in Buffalo. Whereas Patrick Mahomes supporting cast I think is getting better and now they're all healthy. I actually think that the opposite is true on the Buffalo side.

[Myron]

Yeah, I mean, I do think he's missing some pieces, but Mahomes has had years like this where guys were hurt or he didn't necessarily have that like elite receiver. I don't know if Mahomes has ever had outside of Kelsey, like a real top of the level receiver. The bottom line is though, like nobody's going to care, man. No one's going to remember Josh Allen and say, well, look at his supporting cast because they don't do that to Marino. They don't do that to a whole bunch of great quarterbacks who never won Super Bowls. And that's not going to be different for Josh Allen. And guess what? Josh Allen knows that. Like he's not running away from the narrative, which I respect a lot about him.

[Matt]

Yeah. 888 say ESPN. By the way, right now the Bengals are doing pre game workouts on the field according to Charlie Goldsmith. Joe Flacco not on the field right now. Crowning is doing the workouts now that doesn't mean he's not playing. There's no official word, but since I'm here in Cincinnati, I want to report what's happening, Myron, so that people understand what could happen in what is a huge game both for the Bears and the Bengals today. We will keep you updated. There's more to come. Sunday Headlines is next right here on Matt Myon.

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It's Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio. Now, this is the kind of music I hate, to be honest with you, Myron. See, it's a very fine line between the kind of country I like and this. This, I think, is absolutely awful drivel. Who sings this?

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[Matt]

It's Lynn. Boom. What? Luke Combs. Luke Combs. To me. Look, I. I don't mind. I thought Luke Bryan, to me is the worst singer of all time. Luke Combs has good moments. That was not one of them. Lynn Bowden was a football player at Kentucky. I don't know why that might have. I thought that might have been like.

[Myron]

Did he make music? I didn't know. I was confused.

[Matt]

If he did, it wouldn't have sounded like that. It is now time for Sunday Headlines. Extra, extra. Read all about it. Read all about it.

[Myron]

The Sunday Headlines.

[Matt]

So what we do here is very simple. I'm gonna get. We're gonna give you the headlines that maybe you wouldn't have heard otherwise. Let's get started. James, what's up first?

[James]

Yeah, first up is a story from Reddit about a Bengals fan who canceled his season tickets. I called today to cancel my Bengals season tickets for next year, and the whole conversation felt super guilt, trippy and argumentative. I was asked if I only wanted to be a season ticket holder when we go to the playoffs. And am I just being emotional for losing to the jets, which they did last week? They asked why I was unhappy, so I said that I'm frustrated with the front office, mainly the lack of a real scouting department, bad drafts, and how the prices keep going up steeply every year since I joined. Instead of just taking the feedback, they got defensive and said things like, this is the front office who drafted Joe Burrow and T. Higgins. The last thing being asked me was if I wanted cheap tickets or to pay Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. What do you. Matt, you're there.

[Matt]

Yeah. Okay, so I'm here. This is what I would say to the Bengals ticket sellers. I don't know that you need to be getting into substantive arguments with the fans over the front office moves. If a guy calls to sell the season tickets, you should just say, you know what? How do we keep you? I don't think you should be arguing. Well, we should have picked T. Higgins instead of bought. I mean, like, I think that's a level of detail. And that Sammy Bingles, ticket sale seller, Myron, might not need to be doing on the phone.

[Myron]

They got to hire some of those magazine subscription people from, like, the 2000. We're like, you're ready to cancel Time magazine, and by the end of the.

[Matt]

Day, you got four more subscriptions. Did you buy a bunch of magazines from guys who called you on the.

[Myron]

Phone all the time? I was.

[Kevin Clark]

I was.

[Myron]

Oh, yeah, I was.

[Matt]

So what magazines did you buy? Like Men's Health, National Geographic. Oh, you had National Geographic.

[Myron]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Matt]

I've never known one person to subscribe to National Geographic that wasn't a dentist office. And you were that person.

[Myron]

No, I love. I love that I'm a big animals guy. So I was in the National Geographic.

[Matt]

So people would just. You would get cold calls by people trying to sell you magazines, and then you actually bought the magazines.

[Myron]

I did. No, I did. I was that guy. Like, yeah, 100. Like, they should hire those people to. Because they always give you a great offer. It's always, like, eight magazines for free. Right. And you don't even think about it. And then all of a sudden, like, in November.

[Matt]

Are there any of those. Are there any of those magazines that you still own?

[Myron]

I don't have a National Geographic subscription. I wish I did. I had one up until not that long ago.

[Matt]

I bet you could get one. I bet that into adulthood.

[Myron]

I had it. I did. I had one.

[Matt]

Well, I do think. I think a general rule for people who are selling tickets, try not to get in confrontations with the people buying. It's going to be hard for them to then go ahead and purchase more tickets from you in that instance. What's up next?

[Myron]

All right.

[James]

Up next, we talked about LSU firing Brian Kelly. Now they're looking for a new head coach. Former LSU head coach Ed Orgeron was on unsportsmanlike earlier this week, and here's what he had to say.

[Matt]

Do you want to be the next LSU head coach?

[Ed Orgeron]

Oh, I'd love to. You kidding me? I'm one Polk all the way. Hey, I just gotta get in my truck. I'll be back. I could be there today.

[Matt]

If someone specifically became the head coach, would you be willing to be his assistant? And that someone is someone you've been close with and worked with. Lane Kiffin. Would you ever go back to be an assistant?

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah, I consider it. I love lsu. I still got my home in Baton Rouge. I love when I coach with coach Miles being the defensive line coach. I love the Tigers and I'm getting back to coaching.

[Matt]

For sure.

[Ed Orgeron]

I consider it. No doubt.

[James]

So, guys, you think at Orgeron should be in the running for LSU's new head coach?

[Myron]

You know, when you get hired to a school, I don't know if people realize this. You have to go through hr, and I think people need to do some research.

[Matt]

Yeah, that would be hard.

[Myron]

What exactly happened? Yeah, Ed Orgeron and that divorce from lsu. I don't know if people realize, like, that's a really good, sweet map.

[Matt]

Yeah, there was. There was a lot of stuff going on. I like when people do this. I like when people that schools have no interest in announce that they would actually work for them. It's always one of my favorite things. Oh, yeah, I'll be the coach at blah blah, blah. And nobody's asking you. There's a reason why you still have that home in Baton Rouge and because no one has hired you since then. With that said, Edwards did win a national championship there, and they have actually their last three coaches. All right, think about that. Going back to Nick Saban, Les Miles, and or Ed Orgeron. Everyone except Brian Kelly won a national championship. So it's obviously a great job. Myron, the right guy could win there. Brian Kelly didn't do it, but the other three did.

[Myron]

Yeah, but I also think Edo dramas coaching before a lot of the changes that we're seeing right now in sports. So you need someone who can adapt.

[Matt]

The kind of things that Ed Orgeron did probably work better now than they did then. That's true. Ed Orgeron was the king of the bag, let's be real. I mean, he wasn't like, it's legal now. I mean, people forget. The Blind side was in part about that. There's an. An orgeron part of the blind side that people forget too. So just, just keep that in mind.

[Myron]

I love this era. Yeah.

[Matt]

What's next?

[James]

All right. Yesterday Kentucky had seven sacks and ended a four game losing streak to beat Auburn yesterday. It was the first time they had ever beaten Auburn in football. They had lost 1930 of their previous.

[Matt]

Well, that's not true. We had beaten Auburn before.

[James]

Wildcats.

[Matt]

You said it was the first time.

[James]

We'D ever beat Kentucky's first win against Auburn.

[Matt]

That's not true. I remember like three times Kentucky's beaten.

[James]

You're just making statistics right here.

[Matt]

It is not the first time Kentucky has beaten Auburn.

[Myron]

Hold on, let me hear James's stat. Let me hear James.

[James]

No, this is what it said. Well, I don't care what it says.

[Matt]

I remember Kentucky beating Auburn.

[James]

I don't know, I don't know what this is saying.

[Myron]

Then you're the one reading this.

[James]

This is what it's here. I'm reading it right now. It was Kentucky's first win against Auburn. And then it says 4 and 5, 1 and 5 since 2009. The Wonka is 19 in their previous 20 in the series.

[Matt]

Okay, so, okay, but I want you to think about that. Listen, hang on. The sentence says it's the first time Kentucky's beaten Auburn. Then the next sentence is they lost 19 of the last 20. Presumably though that means they won one of the 20.

[James]

This is all one sentence.

[Matt]

I'm just wrote this sentence.

[Myron]

Auburn, Auburn is 28, seven and one against Kentucky. So Kentucky's 1 7.

[Matt]

Okay, that's more than zero. That's more than.

[James]

I literally was just reading this exact sentence. It's on my screen.

[Matt]

I believe you that you're reading the sentence. All right, here's what happened in that game though, Myra. Hugh Freeze needs. Has he been fired yet? Has anybody looked at the line? It's 11. It's 1124. There's no way you freeze by the time time the one o' clock games in Myon. There's no way you free still has a job, right? No way.

[Myron]

No. Everybody gets fired after our show. I don't even notice. Like we. As soon as we go off air, I, I feel like people are listening and then they're like, okay, all right, Matt Myon is over and now it's time to fire ex coach. So he, he'll be fired today, I would imagine.

[Matt]

I mean you have to fire, right? He's been awful. You hire a guy like Hugh Freeze, you ain't doing it for the personality and the good behavior. Which means, you know what, Myron? You better win. And when you lose at home. They didn't just lose to Kentucky last night, myron. They lost 10 to three. It is 20, 25 and there are still people playing football games that are 10 to 3. And they lose 10 to 3 at home. You cannot keep it.

[Myron]

No, they got to move on. I think it's Biles. 22 million, which seems like going down.

[Matt]

To some of these other guys goes down to 15. That's the one thing is it goes down to 15 in a few weeks. Do you let him play out to save $7 million?

[Myron]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't think that's crazy, you know, to kind of tell him he's fired and let him coach the next two weeks to take advantage of that. Also, Mark Stoops is the undertaker, right? Like, he always has one of those wins where like it's over and then all of a sudden, like he gets up out of nowhere.

[Matt]

Well, I'm glad we won our first game ever against Auburn yesterday. No, I wasn't mad, Matias.

[Myron]

It had been a long time.

[Matt]

What are you talking about? Here on ESPN Radio, Matt and Myron.

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[Matt]

Another terrible countryside, but that's all right. I like that Rachel tries, but this is awful. She thinks my tractor sexy. Is the Worst of country music. Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio, presented by Progressive Insurance. You can tune in for a football double editor. Today, Lions host the Vikings, followed by the Jaguars at the Raiders. Coverage begins at noon Eastern on select ESPN radio stations. I'm here in Cincinnati, Ohio, where the Bears and the Bengals are playing. This is a huge Bengals fan base here. There's a guy with a mohawk and big, huge sunglasses, and it reminds me, Myron, of what I've said to you before. I don't. The Bengals, I'm not gonna say they have the most passionate fan base. I'm not gonna say they have the most passionate team. I'm not gonna say that they do have the drunkest pregame fan base in the entire NFL. People think the bingo. The Bills are drunker, The Bills are wilder. But no one is drunker than the Cincinnati Bengals fan base. And it's 11:30 in the morning and they're already well on their way here.

[Myron]

Yeah, we were out there last year. Yeah, it's like the Bills without the picnic tables. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, in there. So they. They get rowdy, man. It's all. It's always the upper Midwest. It's always the Midwest city. Why do you think that is?

[Matt]

That they're cold?

[Myron]

Yeah, they. They. They're cold. And not a whole lot to do, probably. So you start early.

[Matt]

You pro or con? Cincinnati chili? Con.

[Myron]

I don't really get it. Like, I don't really stop make. Stop trying to force chili onto me. That's my thing is, like, stop trying to make me eat chili. That's how it feels. It feels that way.

[Matt]

I don't think anybody's saying to you, myron, you have to eat Cincinnati chili. I just think they, you know, people like. People like it. And this, this game today, the Bengals and the Bears, massive game for both teams. I mean, you look at their schedules, there's a way for both teams to make the playoffs out of these two, however, it's almost impossible to see a way either of them makes it if they lose today. In some ways, if you want to have a chance to make the playoffs for both these teams, I think this is a must win. We still don't totally know about Flacco. Originally, they said he's playing, but he has yet to go through warmups on the field, so we'll have to wait and see. And then, of course, the Bears with Caleb Williams. How do you see this playing out today?

[Myron]

Well, it's got to be pretty alarming that Flacco isn't out there yet because he's over 40. It takes us longer to warm up, you know, like if, if he's going to need time to get ready. Hard to imagine doing that in a short span of time. Whereas I think the Bears, you come off of what happened last week where you had a chance to go and be the very vulnerable, I think Ravens team. You get off to, I think a 6, 0 lead and then you end up just getting destroyed by two touchdowns in that game with no Lamar Jackson. That's one of those games where just as you were starting to feel like Matt, hey, Caleb Williams is the guy. Clearly he has a couple of performance where it makes you go, yeah, I.

[Matt]

Want to talk to you about that, but we just have an announcement that's just come out from the Bengals that I think's worth noting, especially because of the business that we're in. Bob Trumpy, a former Bengals tight end and wide receiver, has passed away at the age of 80. Now, he played for the Bengals, was a really great player, but most of you may know him after his career. He was an analyst for NBC Sports. He called four Super Bowls, three Olympic Games. He called the NFL for 20 years. He was also on three Ryder Cups. Bob Trump, he passes away at the age of 80. The Bengals will honor him at the game today. I remember Bob Trumby as a kid. He was one of those names as an announcer. They'd have him on every sport. I think he also did. What was it called where they would get all the athletes of different sports and have worldwide sports. Not. Not the worldwide of sports, but they would have all the athletes compete against each. Like was it called Superstars?

[Myron]

OJ Was in. Yeah, superstars.

[Matt]

Yeah, I think it was called Superstars. Bob Trumpy would call that all the time, but he was. He did four Super Bowls, all of NBC Super Bowls in the 70s. Bob Trumpy was the announcer. He passes away Myon today at the age of 80.

[Myron]

Yeah, no, I definitely.

[Matt]

You remember. Do you remember him from his. From the days you watch?

[Myron]

I remember those old school. Yeah, I remember him calling a lot of different things. Yeah, I remember. Bob Ch.

[Matt]

I know you heard him announce it, but let's go back to Caleb Williams for a second. You said, and this is exactly right. I feel like as a Bears fan, my opinion of Caleb Williams fluctuates week to week. There are weeks where I think, okay, we've got our quarterback of the future. And then there are weeks last week where I go, yeah, I don't know if this is the guy I mean, because that was a Ravens game where I don't know if Lamar play like, excuse me, not Lamar. Tyler Huntley comes in and has 30 points. That's not on Caleb. But the fact that the Bears couldn't score was last week makes you question it. He is very much a back and forth. I think my opinion about him changes game to game.

[Myron]

Yeah, he just, he just hasn't been brilliant yet. And the challenge with Caleb Williams is we've seen Jaden Daniels look brilliant at times. Right. Obviously hurt now, but Drake Bay has looked brilliant in a couple of games this season. I don't know If Michael Pennix Jr. Has done that.

[Matt]

You're right, by the way. You're right. He hasn't had what Drake May and Jaden, excuse me, have had. They haven't had that one game that makes you go, okay, there I see it. Caleb really hasn't had that yet.

[Myron]

He hasn't. And I think that, to me is why you look at last week as such a missed opportunity. You're playing a Ravens defense that over the course of the season, although they've been improving, has been one of the worst units in the league. A ton of injuries. You don't have to face Lamar Jackson. This is when you go out there and make a statement and have one of those games and Caleb Williams couldn't do it.

[Matt]

Can I ask you. Hang on just a second. I'm a little distracted. James, our producer, can you come on the microphone here for just a second? James, am I looking correct? Because granted, I'm seeing you on a zoom call. Are you wearing a Chiefs onesie?

[James]

No, not a onesie.

[Myron]

It's just a hoodie. It's a hoodie.

[Matt]

It looks like you're wearing a Chief's like pajama. Then why does it go so low on you? Like, okay, I was worried. She came into the office in a full body Chiefs onesie and I was going to suggest. We need to change this. The dress code in Bristol.

[Myron]

Well, let's limit Halloween costumes in general and stop allowing people to wear whatever they want in the name of.

[Matt]

Wait a minute. You're anti. You're anti Halloween costume.

[Myron]

I'm. I'm anti people going too far.

[Matt]

You know what's too far?

[Myron]

People do extra. I don't know how to explain it. You just know what it is when you see it.

[Matt]

Like what? Give me an example of what you're talking about.

[Myron]

Just, you know, people go over the top. I feel like when it comes to.

[Matt]

Halloween, do you think people are wearing too Few clothes.

[Myron]

No, not that regard. It's just.

[Matt]

Oh, you're good with that.

[Myron]

I'm not. See, you put me in a bind. That's not that. It's. I just think you don't have to do all that, you know, put on a wig, a mustache. You know, the basic stuff I'm fine with.

[Matt]

So you don't like. You don't like when people actually try to look like the person you want them to be? Simplistic and not really.

[Myron]

Simple Halloween. Yeah, Simple Halloween costume to me is okay.

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I haven't seen. I haven't checked out the latest Heidi Klum costume.

[Myron]

Just as a worm.

[Matt]

I didn't know. Let me ask you. I want to go back to Caleb Williams for a second. If you had to bet today, is he going to be the guy for the Bears, what would you. What would you bet?

[Myron]

I think he'll be the quarterback next year, you know, but if the guy means a franchise quarterback who leads them to the playoffs, I'm not there yet. I don't think he's done anything to make you feel that way.

[Matt]

He is.

[Myron]

So I'm watching Love is Blind UK right now. Right. I go through the Love is Blind series. Right. So. And there's a couple of relationships.

[Matt]

You're big into that.

[Myron]

Yeah, the uk. I'm big into the uk. Love is Blind. And there's a couple relationships, Matt, where it's like, things are good. You know what I mean? Introduce people to parents, but they're not ready, you know, to say, this is the. This is my person.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Myron]

I think if you. The Bears, you can't introduce Caleb Williams to the family yet necessarily.

[Kevin Clark]

Okay.

[Myron]

You need to see a little bit more of a progress from him, I think.

[Matt]

Well, you know, as Herm said, you got to decide in year three, and we're now halfway through year two for Caleb, so I still think he's got a little bit of time. But for today's game, you know, you look at their schedule, there's a path, but you got to win today. Now, what about the big ones? They're about to get into their difficult part of the season schedule. Do let's say Flacco plays, Do you think? Who do you make the favorite? The gay? The spreads? Two and a half. So the kind of Vegas says it can go either way.

[Myron]

If. If Flacco plays. After what I saw last week, I'm making the Bengals the favorite just because I watched them walk into a situation against another team on the Road that was vulnerable and they just collapsed. I don't think that was two weeks ago.

[Matt]

They took a. They took a very disappointing loss at home last week to the Jets, a loss that I think demoralized that fan base. I mean, there are some people who say worse Bengals loss in years. To lose to a winless jets team at home when you were up two touchdowns in the fourth quarter, it's bad news.

[Myron]

But I mean, you lose Joe Burrow, you've been in mourning all season. Show me that Caleb Williams could do it, I guess, is my thing. I feel like the pressure's on him. I think I would pick Cincinnati if Flacco plays.

[Matt]

Yeah, I'm gonna. I don't know. We're gonna pick this at the end of the. This one. To me, of all the games on the slate today, this is the one that is the hardest to figure out. I think the Bengals had a chance with Flacco to end up in a position where when Joe Burrow comes back, he could take them to the playoffs. But I think that loss last week was just absolutely debatable. You cannot lose to the jets at home. You certainly can't lose the jets at home when you have a 14 point lead in the second half. And by the way, you hating Halloween costumes is so on brand for you, Myron. Like that old. That old grumpy, angry at the world. That is so.

[Myron]

You know, it's not at all. I just don't think you got to do all that.

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[Matt]

Fireworks costumes, no. Easter. He's anti candy at Easter.

[Myron]

I put out candy for Halloween and then some kid dumped the whole thing in his. In his bowl.

[Matt]

Stole your Halloween candy?

[Myron]

Stole the Halloween candy for the neighborhood. Dumped the whole thing. It was.

[Matt]

Why weren't you out there giving it away?

[Myron]

Sometimes I turn on the light. Just let him pick, you know, I mean.

[Matt]

Well, it sounds like he didn't steal it. It sounds like you wanted that.

[Myron]

No, I put it out and literally within minutes I go back out and he had someone that dumped the whole bowl. Do you think that was candy?

[James]

Do you think that was revenge for you calling the cops on them on July 4th?

[Myron]

It may have been. Yeah, it may have been. That's okay. I'll take it.

[Matt]

Children fought back for you.

[Myron]

Stop stealing candy. Don't dump the whole bowl.

[Matt]

I'm for it, by the way. I don't think it's stealing if you left it out for them to take.

[Myron]

The whole bowl is stealing. You got to leave some for the rest of the neighborhood.

[Matt]

Did you have a sign that says limit one no. All right. Legally, I think the kids get away with it. 888 Lawyer 888 say ESPN. We'll visit some more games and get ready for King of the Mountain. That's next here on Matt and Myron on ESPN Radio.

[Myron]

Matt and Myron, the podcast.

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[Matt]

Just I don't know what's happening. Why y', all like, y' all are picking the worst of country music. Like, what would the your kind of music, Myron? What would be the equivalent of the stuff they're playing right now? Like, what's the music that makes you roll your eyes and go, please don't let this represent the kind of music I like? What would the equivalent be? Skilo?

[Myron]

Anything by Flo Rida, Flow Rider, Any song that Flo Rider has ever made.

[Matt]

So no Apple bottom jeans, boots.

[Myron]

If Flo Rider is on it, it'll be that it's like Flow Riders. Like, well, Flow Rider, like, if you don't listen to hip hop and you hear that song, you're like, oh, that dude's a great rapper.

[Matt]

And can I tell you a little fact about Flow Rider? Two women that I know from very different parts of my life, okay? One in Kentucky, one that I knew in Washington D.C. one time. Both of them just randomly in conversation were like, I dated Flo Rida. And I thought to myself, how all the. How did Flo Rida date all of these people? I feel like that's, that's always my thing about fluoride. I feel like everybody. Myron knows one person that once went out with Flow Rider.

[Myron]

Yeah, no, I'm not. I'm not surprised. He had a run and like I said, when he shows up, you think on those campuses people think he's the greatest rapper of all time. I bet. So you know, shout out to fl. Nothing against him at all.

[Matt]

Tony is in San Diego. He is actually going to have myons back on Halloween. Go ahead, Tony. Yeah, yeah.

[Ed Orgeron]

I never did in Flow Rider but when I moved into San Diego, I had a bowl Byron with a skeleton hand that would try to grab your hand when you tried to get the candy out of the bowl. And I had the porch with a sign to please take one. That was gonna be off at another Halloween party. I came back home, my bowl was gone. Not even the can's gone, the whole bowl. Someone took my bowl.

[Matt]

Someone took the bowl.

[Myron]

That's a crime.

[Matt]

Yeah, I would agree. Someone takes the bowl, that's a crime. I think someone takes the candy, that's okay. You cannot take the bowl. I will agree.

[Myron]

You love side with the kids.

[Matt]

Appreciate the call.

[Myron]

These kids are doing dirt out here, man.

[Matt]

Well, generally speaking, I think siding with the kids like I'm not anti child like you seem to be.

[Myron]

Byron, in most cases, take one, take a couple of suckers and move on. You don't take the whole thing.

[Matt]

Did you dress up, Were you a pr. Did you dress up as anything?

[Myron]

No, I didn't.

[Matt]

Well, I was just so you know, I was Ellie Dea Jones.

[Myron]

Just for the record, how far did you take that? Cuz there's a couple people been taking things way too far. Halloween is a dangerous holiday. Like. Okay, let me tell you without putting something on your face. Don't just did not put anything.

[Matt]

Well, wait a minute, let me ask you because I actually went through this in my head, Myron. I went through the help. How. How do I get to be Ellie De La Cruz? Here's what I did. Put the jersey on. Good, right?

[Myron]

That's fine.

[Matt]

Put the hat on. Good, right.

[Kevin Clark]

Good.

[Myron]

You're good.

[Matt]

Gold necklaces. Good.

[Myron]

Yeah. You're getting into weird territory, but go ahead.

[Matt]

Okay, now pushing it. He's wearing skull necklace.

[Myron]

I'm just. Okay, keep going.

[Matt]

All right, hang on. Wristbands.

[Myron]

Okay. Yeah, that's just.

[Matt]

All right, now, this was the one. This was the one.

[Myron]

I knew that was one.

[Matt]

This is the one I was trying to take. He does, like. You know how baseball players put on the little eye black under their eyes?

[Kevin Clark]

Yep.

[Matt]

Am I okay with that?

[Myron]

I would recommend it, but, I mean, it just. It was not. If it's me, it's just smears.

[Matt]

You just.

[Myron]

You all got to stop buying makeup on Halloween. Like, you all don't. You don't have to be the whole character. You know what I mean? Like, I think that's. It's a whole lot of y' all losing jobs on Monday because you want it to be. I didn't do.

[Kevin Clark]

Or something.

[Matt]

You know? Wait a minute, Myron. I didn't do the dreads. Okay.

[Myron]

Yeah, y' all gonna be in HR on Monday. I'm telling you, a bunch of these people who've been tweeting costumes that they think are cool. Y' all are going to HR tomorrow. I guarantee you they're gonna say, bring your stuff, Susan. Bring the computer. Bring the company computer with you.

[Matt]

What do you think about just being the name Ellie De La Jones?

[Myron]

I'll accept that. You know, okay. Like, I'll accept that. I just stop buying makeup at the Halloween store. It just doesn't work out.

[Matt]

Cardinals and Cowboys are Monday Night Football. You know, Cardinals, for me, are a hard team to have an opinion on, but the Cowboys, one week after, they look great, then they look awful. Where are you on deck? He's obviously had a great year. Is there still something to salvage for that team as a whole, or is the defense just too far gone?

[Myron]

No, there is, but, I mean, Jacoby Brissette is starting for the Cardinals on Monday. This could be the end of Kyler Murray. You know, he's got a foot injury, but, like, this could be it in terms of the Kyler Murray era. And it'll be interesting to see. Like, I don't think small quarterbacks can win in the NFL anymore. Like, I just don't think they're capable of playing a position because the athletes are just too big, too strong, too fast.

[Matt]

But, well, the one game. One of Jacoby's games is one of the best games they played all year. So, I mean, I don't know that necessarily, Cardinals fans will be all that heartbroken if it is Jacoby for most of the year.

[Myron]

I feel like any year over the last decade, if someone is like, hey, the backup quarterback is in, and you don't even know which team it is, and if you guessed Jacoby Brissette. You would be right 73% of the time. Like he just appears like Jacoby Brissette. You don't mention his name. He just shows up places.

[Matt]

He really is out of the blue. Jacoby Brissette has played for every team. I mean every single team, including the New York Knicks. Like he's playing.

[Myron]

He is everywhere, man.

[Matt]

It is unbelievable. By the way, we do have some news here. Joe Flacco is active, so presumably we'll play. Brock Purdy is out. So Joe Flacco active. Brock Purdy out for today's. For today's game. But real quick, back to the Cowboys. You usually have strong opinions. Do you believe in them? I mean last week was a poor, poor showing. Do you feel like they're more like the team the week before or they kind of this just guy they're going to be, you know, year in and year out, week to week.

[Myron]

They're a mix of what we've seen. I think the, probably the last couple of weeks, like their peak is the team that can put up 40 points in the Green Bay Packers. I mean, they still tied that game, but Dak is playing really well overall. I don't know if there's enough around him, but they can be interesting. I think in any game they play the rest of the season. They could be competitive in any game they play the rest of the season. But would you pick them to win? I think that to me is the challenge with the Cowboys.

[Matt]

Real quick. Jaguars, Raiders, Liam Cohen having to not deal with, not have Travis Hunter. Do you see this a big game for Jacksonville to kind of stop the skid and actually get back to winning if they want to have a shot at the division.

[Myron]

Well, you don't want to lose to the Raiders. I mean, that wouldn't be the conversation wouldn't be good for Liam Cohen if they lost to the Raiders, but I don't think they will. The Raiders have a lot of problems that they can't fix in the middle of the season. So Jags win this, but the goal for them was to be a playoff team. They started off looking like a team that could win the division and maybe compete to get to an AFC championship spot. They haven't necessarily.

[Matt]

More recently with seven teams that'll make the playoffs, the Jaguars are sitting eight. And so I mean they still. And if you look, there's a big drop off after them. So they got to find a way to jump one of the teams ahead of them. King of the mountain. As you know, we do a game every single week where we sit there and you try to knock off the person that has given the best take. We had a new King of the Mountain winner last week. Now is your chance to get there. 888 say ESPN. All you got to do is come in, you have 30 seconds, you make a strong take and if it's better then you can win the week and knock off the King of the Mountain and start off your media career. If you're not good, we will mock you and Myron will probably say something personal that will make you cry. It's that simple. 888 say ESPN. It's king of the Mountain. Let's get your best takes. Myron, are you ready for this one?

[Myron]

Ready, man.

[Matt]

All right. We will do it. That's next here on Matt Myron county to kick off on ESPN Radio.

[Myron]

Matt and Myron the podcast.

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