Hour 2: The Zubaz Capital of the World

Summary

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Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron

Episode: "The Zubaz Capital of the World"
Date: November 23, 2025
Hour 2
Hosts: Matt Jones & Myron Medcalf (with guests Andrew, James, Mina Kimes, Kevin Clark, Rachel)

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Episode Overview

This episode plunges into the colorful culture of Buffalo, football traditions, and quirky fandoms, bringing the Buffalo Bills' Zubaz obsession to life. Matt and Myron (with rotating guests) riff on NFL rivalries, the singularity of Buffalo wings, radio voice envy, NBA player feuds, and Philadelphia Eagles drama, while weaving in humorous anecdotes and sharp opinions. The show maintains a conversational, lightly irreverent tone that highlights the oddities and passions of American sports fans.

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Key Topics & Discussions

1. Buffalo: The Zubaz Capital of the World

• Buffalo’s Game Day Atmosphere:

  • Matt describes the "bumping and grinding" in Buffalo bars on game days, painting a vivid picture of neighborly, blue-collar fandom where “white people grinding in their Zubaz pants is not something that's easy to get used to.” (00:43)
  • Quote:

    “If you just opened up the beer taps in blue collar America and said, have at it, people... Buffalo is the best.” — Matt (00:43)

• Zubaz Pants Culture:

  • Buffalo’s lasting love for the loud, tiger-striped Zubaz pants is contrasted with other cities where the trend faded in the early 2000s.
  • Bills merchandise—including helmets and shirts—embrace the Zubaz motif.
  • Memorable Exchange:

    “I was very inspired by your story about the Zubaz pants that I asked my wife to get me a pair of cheese Zubaz.” — James (02:15)
    “I would have thought if you had Zubaz stock, sell. Maybe not. Maybe there's still a market.” — Matt (03:30)

2. Buffalo Wings: Tradition vs. Trend

• One Authentic Style:
  • Buffalo’s insistence: “In Buffalo, there’s only one kind of wing. …They were all great.” (04:24)
  • Only blue cheese is allowed:

    “If they heard you say you wanted ranch, they would punch you in the face.” — Matt (04:37)

  • Cultural Note: Ranch is not an option in Buffalo, unlike in other wing-loving regions.
  • The panel laughs about food purism and Buffalo's identity as the birthplace of wings.

3. NFL Discussion: Chiefs, Colts, Schedules

• Colts vs. Chiefs:
  • Andrew reviews the Colts’ easier wins, questioning their readiness for tougher schedules:

    "It's not like they've run a gauntlet." — Andrew (07:24)

  • Matt and Andrew agree: The Colts must prove themselves as their schedule toughens.
• Kansas City & Andy Reid:
  • Discussion on the rarity of sub-.500 Chiefs teams in November, adding urgency to their season.

4. Radio Voice Banter

• Andrew’s “Real” Radio Voice:
  • Light teasing about Andrew’s professional delivery versus Matt and Myron’s “scratchy and hickey and country” vibe.
  • Humorous Moment:

    “It's a little intimidating to hear somebody be like 'you're listening to 97.1 The Fanatic', I am Andrew Booming.” — Matt (09:26)
    “I credit the engineers. They drop the bass in these microphones. I don't actually sound like this.” — Andrew (09:35)

5. Sunday Headlines: NBA, WWE Wrestlers, and College Hoops

A. NBA Player Beef:

• Klay Thompson vs. Ja Morant:

  • After a heated post-game confrontation, Klay offers choice words about Ja:

    “He's a funny guy. He has a lot to say all the time, especially for a guy who rarely takes accountability. But you know what? That's for another day.” — Klay Thompson (12:56)

  • Klay critiques Ja’s habit of “running his mouth,” his absences, suspensions, and off-court distractions:

    “It's kind of the story of his career so far, just leaving us wanting more.” — Klay Thompson (13:11)

  • Hosts acknowledge both the generational rift and need for NBA stars to stay visible; Ja’s disappointing off-court conduct is lamented despite his talent.

    “As somebody who owns multiple pairs of jaw shoes, I need him to make them to where I'm more proud to wear them outside of the house.” — Matt (15:14)

B. WWE & Cam Skattebo: Athlete Antics

• Injured Star Gets Involved in Wrestling:

  • Discussion on Cam Skattebo’s WWE Raw appearance after breaking his ankle. The hosts are skeptical and somewhat fatigued by his constant media presence.

  • Quote:

    “Anytime you say, well, then just unfollow or don't talk about me. You're a football player who clearly does things to be talked about. You cannot get mad when people talk about you.” — Matt (17:44)

  • Comic relief as the panel jokes about overexposed sports personalities needing a week off TV.

C. College Basketball Preview

• Historic Depth Thanks to NIL:
  • Rick Pitino’s recent comments are echoed: This year might be “the best year of college basketball.” The combination of a stellar freshman class, experienced returners due to NIL, and a wave of international players creates exceptional parity and talent.

    “This is the most talent in college basketball that I can remember.” — Matt (19:51)

  • Andrew adds excitement for “powerhouse schools,” high-level play, and how NIL has benefited college hoops more than football.

6. Philadelphia Eagles: Drama, Confidence, and the Tush Push

• Eagles’ Defensive Form vs. Offensive Frustrations

  • Andrew highlights the Eagles’ defensive resurgence but frustrations with their offense, specifically receiver A.J. Brown’s public complaints.
  • Matt presses for perspective on Eagles fans’ angst, questioning why there isn’t more confidence.

    “What are you so concerned about?... Why are you Eagles fans so like I don't understand why you all are not crowing.” — Matt (27:01)

• Owner Influence & Locker Room Dynamics:

  • Insight into how Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie (the anti-Jerry Jones) quietly manages drama, often swaying fan perspective.
  • A.J. Brown’s outspokenness is seen as increasingly disruptive, especially as rumors swirl about internal discord.

    “Why would anyone take A.J. Brown’s side? Jalen Hurts has done at every level.” — Matt (31:06)

• The “Tush Push” Phenomenon

  • The panel debates Eagles fans’ true feelings about their iconic (if odd) short-yardage play, noting a local fan tattoo of its play design—on his right tush.

    “That man, honestly, probably should be locked up or at least investigated.” — Matt (34:04)

7. NFC North & NFL Playoff Races

• Packers, Vikings, and the Playoff Crunch

  • Matt and Andrew discuss the Packers’ and Vikings’ playoff prospects, the unpredictable NFC North, and critical games looming.
  • Mina Kimes provides a statistical breakdown, highlighting quarterback timing and execution.

    “J.J. McCarthy just has to play on time. ...[when] between two and a half and three second time to throw... they're actually 29th in EPA per play because pressure isn't getting home in time.” — Mina Kimes (39:55)

• Seahawks: Underdog Threat

  • Discussion on the underappreciated Seahawks, their tough losses, and recent trade additions making them a dark horse for postseason success.

8. Audience Engagement: King of the Mountain

• Call-In Segment Invitation
  • Encouraging listeners to challenge the reigning “King of the Mountain” with their best 30-second sports hot takes.

    “No politics. Right? No religion. You talk about being King of the mountain on Matt.” — Andrew (44:20) “I don't care what you think about the president. I'm the King of the Mountain.” — Matt (44:35)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

| Time | Speaker | Quote/Highlight | |---------|-------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:43 | Matt | "Buffalo is the best...find a time to make that trip up there." | | 02:37 | Matt | "They never stop being a thing in Buffalo, [Zubaz] are still at this moment, a thing." | | 04:37 | Matt | "You don't even get a choice. ...if they heard you say you wanted ranch, they would punch you..." | | 12:56 | Klay Thompson| "He's a funny guy. He has a lot to say all the time, especially for a guy who rarely takes accountability."| | 17:44 | Matt | “You cannot get mad when people talk about you. When you do things to be talked about.” | | 19:51 | Matt | "This may be the best year of college basketball that I have ever seen." | | 27:01 | Matt | "Why are you Eagles fans...not crowing? We're the defending champs." | | 31:06 | Matt | “Why would anyone take A.J. Brown's side? Jalen Hurts has done at every level.” | | 34:04 | Matt | “That man, honestly, probably should be locked up or at least investigated.” (on tush-push tattoo) | | 39:55 | Mina Kimes | "J.J. McCarthy just has to play on time...they're actually 29th in EPA per play..." | | 44:20 | Andrew | “No politics. Right? No religion. You talk about being King of the mountain on Matt.” | | 44:35 | Matt | “I don't care what you think about the president. I'm the King of the Mountain.” |

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Buffalo Fandom & Zubaz: 00:39 – 03:40
• Buffalo Wings Traditions: 03:46 – 04:56
• Colts vs Chiefs, NFL Schedule Talk: 05:38 – 08:34
• Radio Voice Humor: 08:34 – 09:40
• Sunday Headlines (NBA beef, WWE, College Basketball): 12:22 – 21:54
• Eagles, A.J. Brown Drama & Tush Push: 25:11 – 34:22
• NFC North & Packers/Vikings/Seahawks: 36:09 – 43:40
• King of the Mountain Call-In Segment: 43:40 – 44:35

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Tone and Style

• Warm, witty, self-deprecating with regular sidebars and playful ribbing.
• Honest foibles mixed with sharp sports insight.
• Panel chemistry is relaxed and inclusive, inviting listeners into the quirks of American sports culture.

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Summary

This episode expertly blends deep dives into local sports culture (Buffalo’s Zubaz and wing traditions) with week-to-week NFL analysis and national debates. The show’s appeal is its chemistry—mixing insider expertise with the banter and frustration of diehard fans. Highlighted by playful takes on sports fashion, food taboos, league rivalries, and the irrational loves and pains of fandom, “The Zubaz Capital of the World” is a rollicking, detail-packed listen that spotlights the superstitions, rituals, and drama that define today’s sports landscape.

Transcript

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[Andrew]

I can only imagine, what's that scene like on game day?

[Matt Myron]

I think the best way to describe it is like if you just had people, if you just opened up the beer taps in like blue collar America and just said, have at it, people. Like, it's the nice, first of all, nicest group of fans I've been around. I've been to 11 stadiums around the country for the NFL. Buffalo is the best. I would say to anyone out there, I don't care who you're a fan of, find a time to make that trip up there. It's in a neighborhood. Like, again, Green Bay is in a neighborhood too, but they've developed commercial stuff around it. But this is still a neighborhood. Like there's nothing around it but the stadium and houses. It's. It feels like you're at a college. But I also will say the white people grinding in their Zubaz pants is not something that's easy to get used to, you know, and what kind of.

[Andrew]

Music are we grinding to? Is another question.

[Matt Myron]

90S hip hop, like, you know, no one has ever been happier than the city of Buffalo. When they play Mr. Brightside.

[Andrew]

That makes sense.

[Matt Myron]

Like as soon as you start Mr. Brightside, the city of Buffalo, they find a partner, they start jumping and they grind and then get low. They really like that one too.

[Andrew]

I mean, what's not to love about get low? Come on.

[Matt Myron]

So there's a lot of good, There's a lot of goodness.

[James]

I was very inspired by your story about the Zubaz pants that I asked my wife to get me a pair of cheese Zubaz.

[Matt Myron]

You did not.

[James]

For Christmas. Yeah, that was on my Christmas list.

[Matt Myron]

See, I said this. You didn't hear me, Andrew. But last week. But Buffalo, a lot of you may remember that in the 90s and early 2000s, Zubaz pants were a thing. Like tiger striped Multicolor pants.

[Andrew]

Yeah, they were big here in Philly.

[Matt Myron]

They never stop being a thing. In Buffalo, they are still at this moment, a thing. So much so that, like, a lot of Bill's merchandise is Zubaz themed.

[Andrew]

That's actually awesome.

[Matt Myron]

Like, they have Zubaz helmets. They have Zubaz shirts. So, like, for some reason, Bill Zubaz gear is everywhere.

[Andrew]

Oh, you know, that's a future alternate jersey. Then it has to be.

[Matt Myron]

If they do.

[Andrew]

I don't know. Yeah, they. They do the Zubaz edition.

[Matt Myron]

That'd be awesome. First it was just something I just sort of noticed, and then all of a sudden I was like, it really is everywhere. The Zubaz bills thing I did. I had no idea.

[Andrew]

I know you're connected to Roger Goodell. Give him a call and say, let, we got an idea for you here on Matt and Myron do Zubaz week.

[Matt Myron]

Yeah.

[James]

And so Bill's waffle just kept them in business all these years.

[Matt Myron]

They have. I didn't eat. First of all, I would have thought if you had Zubaz stock sell. Maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe there's still a market.

[Andrew]

Look, everything comes back, right? The record player resurgence recently. Maybe the Zubaz pants has a resurgence.

[Matt Myron]

Well, it's never left in Buffalo. Also, last thing about Buffalo wings, okay? So, like, when you think about wings, chicken wings, obviously they started in Buffalo, so I was very excited. But, you know, even in Kentucky, we have like seven or eight different kinds of ways people make wings, right? Like at my bar that I own, when we smoke them, there are ones that you fry. I know there are ones that are smoked then fried. In Buffalo, there's only one kind of wing. Everywhere you go is the same thing. So when people say, did you go to this or that place? I. Wings at seven different places, right? They all tasted the same. They were all great.

[Andrew]

Well, that's the point. They're all delicious, but they're.

[Matt Myron]

But they don't. You know, they don't cook them different. And like, if. When you get wings, do you get ranch or blue cheese?

[Andrew]

I'm a ranchman, but, you know, I mess around with blue cheese.

[Matt Myron]

You don't even get a choice. And as a matter of fact, if they heard you say you wanted ranch, they would punch you in the face.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Matt Myron]

Because you only get blue cheese.

[Andrew]

No, take it. I love blue cheese.

[Matt Myron]

Don't get me wrong, it is only blue cheese, which I found interesting. Ranch is not allowed in the place where they started. Buffalo wings.

[Andrew]

Well, that's fair. Look, if it Ain't broke, don't fix it. Right. We all know that rule. And if they're wink. It's where it starts. The birthplace. It's the birthplace of the wing keep.

[Matt Myron]

So Andrew, I would suggest. I don't know when the Eagles play at Buffalo, but when they do you.

[Andrew]

They do play them this year, Week 17 in Buffalo. Yes, it's there. Oh, dude, you're going to. I'll make the trip.

[Matt Myron]

Sure.

[Andrew]

I'll drive up north.

[Matt Myron]

You have to go. Let me say it's farther away than you think it is.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Myron]

Like you think it's just down the road.

[Andrew]

No, because it's just open road and then you're just driving on for hours.

[Matt Myron]

I mean, Buffalo is only two hours from Cleveland. I don't think anybody thinks of it like that, but it really. It's only like two hours. It was only six hours, six and a half hours from Lexington, Kentucky. Okay. Yeah.

[Andrew]

It's probably a bit of a hike for me.

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[Matt Myron]

So. But. But you need to go now. Colts and Chiefs play today. It is Only Kansas City, second game at 1 o' clock this year. They've had like the most exotic schedule you could have, but now this is a biggie. I said earlier, old money, new money. This is the Daniel Jones Colts, 5 and 5 Chiefs in a game that I think they have to win. Andrew, you can't keep losing these close games. You gotta win it. Do they do it today at home?

[Andrew]

I actually believe that they do. If you pay close attention to the Indianapolis Colts and me saying this on ESPN Radio, Mike, to bite me in the rear end. You look at the opponents that they have beaten up on, you're not surprised of the opponents they've beaten up on. When they've played some of the better teams, it's either been closer or they've actually been handed their two losses, one of those being the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Kansas City Chiefs need this game more than the Indianapolis Colts. I understand the Colts might still want to go after that one seed, get the bye week. They still have to look up toward New England Patriots right now. But the Chiefs desperately needed to keep their season alive. They lose this game, they're under.500. We're not used to talking about the under 500 Kansas City Chiefs in November. We're used to saying it early in the season because Andy Reid, even in his time with Philadelphia, usually comes out the gate a little slow. We're not used to seeing Andy Reid under.500 in. In the month of November and they need it. And right now the teams that they are behind are all sort of kind of, I would say, plateauing. Like, I don't know how much better the Jags are going to get, but they're going to win a couple more games. I don't think the Chargers get much better because of the injuries that they have to their offensive line. I don't know how much better the Texans get because I don't know what their quarterback situation is moving forward. The Kansas City Chiefs, but they need to start piling up wins now. People keep on pointing how their schedule lightens up. It. It really doesn't. They still have to play Denver another game.

[Matt Myron]

They do, but it's all games that if you're going to be decent, you need to win. Let me to your point about who the Colts have beaten. Let me read you who they've beaten. The Dolphins, the Broncos, the Titans, the Raiders, the Cardinals, the Chargers, the Titans, the Falcons. So not. I mean, the Broncos are good, but other than that, not really exactly a murderer's row. So to your point, they haven't. It's not like they've run a gauntlet.

[Andrew]

Now they're coming off a buy, which is, which is big for them.

[Matt Myron]

That's true. But their schedule gets harder. Okay, so after the Chiefs, they play Texans, Jags, Seahawks, 49ers, Jags, Texas. So I mean, they play the best teams in their division and then they put. They have no more Titans kind of gimme games coming. So they're now entering a stretch where you'll determine if they're real or not. And I would argue, Andrew, today is the start of that.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it absolutely is because they're playing a legitimate opponent and a desperate opponent and that and desperation. The NFL goes a long way. There's a couple of teams that are having desperate games today in the NFL slate. And if you're the Kansas City Chiefs and you're desperate, I could imagine that Andy Reid's gonna cook up something special for. For Patrick Mahomes and, and Travis Kelsey and company.

[Matt Myron]

James, here's the only thing about working with Andrew today. He actually has an actual radio voice.

[Andrew]

Hello.

[Matt Myron]

Like my voice is kind of. I don't know how you would describe it. It's not what you would normally hear on ESPN Radio. It's a little scratchy and. And hickey and country. Like Andrew, the good thing about Myron is he doesn't really have a radio voice either, except when he's being like, fake. You brought in somebody that. You brought in somebody with an actual radio voice. It's a little intimidating.

[Andrew]

Well, I kind of have to do it or I'll be dropping like water and hoagie too much because I got that South Jersey Philadelphia makes it a.

[Matt Myron]

Little nerve wracking for me because I feel like I'm actually working with a professional as opposed to a my daily routine.

[Andrew]

Don't worry. How about the next segment? I'll be as anti professional as possible.

[Matt Myron]

You're fine. I'm just saying, James, you have to consider this when you're booking these guest hosts.

[James]

All right, I'll, I'll try to keep it in consideration.

[Matt Myron]

It's a little intimidating to hear somebody be like you're listening to 971 the Fanatic. I am Andrew Booming.

[James]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Myron]

I mean, it's just like there's a lot happening.

[Andrew]

I credit the engineers. They drop, they drop the bass in these microphones. I don't actually sound like this.

[Matt Myron]

There are other games all across the schedule and other sports going on. That's where we usually deal with them is next here on Sunday Headlines. I'm Matt Myron on ESPN Radio. Matt and Myron, the Podcast.

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All right, James, get started. Tell me what's first.

[James]

Now, first. Klay Thompson is tired of hearing John Moran talk so much. Morant, who missed third straight game because of a cap strain, verbally confronted Thompson after the final buzzard of the Grizzlies 102 to 96 win over the Mavericks on Saturday night. Security staffers and coaches from both teams separated the players to prevent the situation from escalating. But the tension between them has been simmering since at least the 2022 playoffs, when Thompson and the warriors eliminated the Grizzlies en route to winning their fourth NBA championship. Klay Thompson spoke afterwards. He was asked about Ja Morant, and here's what he had to say.

[Klay Thompson]

And then with Ja, he's a funny guy. He has a lot to say all the time, especially for a guy who rarely takes accountability. But you know what? That's for another day.

[Matt Myron]

What did you have to say on this occasion?

[Klay Thompson]

Nothing of intelligent depth. It was really just his just running his mouth, and he's been running his mouth for a long time. And it's funny to run your mouth when you're on the bench. It's kind of the story of his career so far, just leaving us wanting more. You know, we all want to see him out there and do his best, but he's just been letting a lot of other stuff get in the way of that. We need that in the NBA. We need our best players to be out there. And when you're a star, it comes with a great Responsibility, and I hate to see that go to waste.

[Matt Myron]

Those are harsh words for Mr. For Mr. Thompson. This all started cause of a fight during the game. They were John and each other. You know, he's not wrong. And even though I think Clay can be a little cheesy, he certainly won this one to me. Andrew, I don't know about you. I mean, at first he said it's not a lot of intelligence. I was like, oh. But then he threw in the word depth, and it actually made the grammar work.

[Andrew]

I mean, and he's. And he's also. He's not wrong.

[Kevin Clark]

Right?

[Andrew]

Like John Moran. I know a lot of it's because of injuries, and you can't always help that, but Morantz already missed five games this year. He only played 50 the game before, in the season before that. He only played nine games in 2020.

[Matt Myron]

But there were two suspensions. Like, maybe. But there were two suspensions there. And a lot of it's his own doing.

[Andrew]

Yeah, he. It is a lot of his own doing. And. And you hear how Klay Thompson tries to turn it into the veteran in the NBA, right? Like, we want our stars to be here. Now, I think he does that to try to soften the blow of what he really thinks about John Moran. But, you know, it is. It isn't the. The worst message to put out there. Like, hey, if you sort of clean up your own act a little bit because there have been suspensions because of your own doing, we all know the talent is there. John Moran is a very talented player. But tell me what Memphis has done other than a playoff series against the Golden State warriors four years ago in which they lost.

[Matt Myron]

He just got. But they also. They won the year before. People do skip over that, but there's a. There. There's a generational thing to this. It's a little bit of, like, millennial versus Zoomer kind of thing here that I think you see. But I like it. I think it's good for the NBA when there are these sort of rivalries, but John Morant's got to get on the floor. That's a Kentucky guy. Played at Murray State for. For. For three, maybe four years. He was great. I want him to do well, but he has been a big disappointment. And as somebody who owns multiple pairs of jaw shoes, I need him to make them to where I'm more proud to wear them outside of the house. James, what's next?

[James]

Yeah, so Cam Scatterboo unfortunately broke his ankle.

[Matt Myron]

I'm tired of the season. I'm kind Of I'm a little.

[James]

You're out on Cam Scatter.

[Matt Myron]

I'm not out on him. I'm just. I've had enough. There's just. I have a lot of Cam Scatter Boo.

[James]

Oh, well, on Monday night, he was at Monday Night Raw at the Garden and he got into a little scuffle with the dirty Dom Mysterio and the Judgment Day pushed him. And, you know, things got heated. There was a melee a little bit. People weren't happy about it because he's obviously, he's injured. He's in a walking boot. He had to go to Twitter after Monday night.

[Matt Myron]

Go to Twitter?

[James]

Yeah, he went to Twitter. He and he quote. Hey, honestly. Hey, honestly, if you don't like that I'm having a good time while dealing with a tough time, then just go ahead and unfollow and casually move on. I'm not able to play football and have fun I've been having my whole life. So I'm doing things outside the box, trying to find stuff to keep me happy. Enjoy the rest of yalls week and just don't talk about me if you ain't got nothing nice to say. Salute emoji.

[Matt Myron]

Yeah.

[James]

What do you think about this?

[Matt Myron]

I've had way too much Camp Scatter Boo this week for a guy that's hurt. I don't care that he went to Monday Night Raw personally, but hey, man, if you're got a broken ankle, maybe be careful getting pushed in a wrestling thing. I don't care that he went, but I think it was weird that he was that like he got physically involved. That to me, seems odd.

[Andrew]

Yeah, that's the big thing because what if he just falls a certain way meanwhile he's in one of these boots? And I understand these boots are a heavy D, but if you turn and roll that ankle that already pointed in the direction that nobody should ever have to see or deal with, and you're trying to get it fixed, you get it surgically repaired. You're wearing this boot and then you're trying to get in this fake. With all due respect, James, to your. I know you're a big WWE get guy. You know, you get into this. This pushing match here, and he goes down. What if something gets worse? And then all sudden you have to do the whole, I'm gonna go to Twitter and tell people to unfollow me.

[Matt Myron]

Well, he also drank water out of a shoe this week and he like, there's just. It's too much Camp Scatter Boo in my life. Let me Just say this. Anytime you say, well, then just unfollow or don't talk about me. You're an in. You're a football player who clearly does things to be talked about. You cannot get mad when people talk about you. When you do things to be talked about. You go on the WWE Raw. It's not like you were at a retreat and the paparazzi showed up. You went to Raw. Clearly, they brought you in to get attention. You got that attention. Now you can't get mad that you got the attention now. Did people overreact? Maybe, but can't. I just need Cam Scatter. Here's what I need. I need Cam Scatter. Boo. I need Diego Pavia, maybe even Theo Vaughn. I need all of them just to take a deep breath and take a week off television. One week later, there's gonna be a.

[Andrew]

New Theo Vaughan, and there's gonna be a new.

[Matt Myron]

I do think they're growing these people on trees because they're. I think Big Cat said earlier in the week, they're all the same person. I kind of think they are. And they just keep coming, like multiple of these guys. Everybody just slow down. You're all likable, but we don't need you all of the time. What's next?

[James]

First of all, predetermined. Andrew, thanks.

[Matt Myron]

And, yeah, I mean, I didn't say anything. Andrew, you know, I own a wrestling company, so I'm going to need you to be a C K U p. I will.

[Andrew]

I will back off when I get to wrestling.

[Matt Myron]

Okay?

[James]

Thank you very much. Secondly, we're. Rachel, I a little bit concerned watching you in the. In the teams meeting. Matt, waving around. Scissors.

[Matt Myron]

I do have scissors. I do have scissors. I need to probably put these.

[Mina Kimes]

He's just flailing around.

[Matt Myron]

Okay, scissors are gone.

[James]

All right, good. Okay, so feast me. College basketball starts tomorrow. We have the Southwest Maui Invitational right here on ESPN television. Seton hall and NC State. First and the fourth. First of the first four games on television tomorrow. Matt, we're pretty excited about this college basketball season, huh?

[Matt Myron]

Okay, so Rick Patino said this this week, so I'm not. I don't want to steal what he said, but I want to echo what he said. I know a lot of you are not in the mode of caring about college basketball yet, but this may be the best year of college basketball that I have ever seen. You have an historic freshman class of, like, six or seven guys that are awesome. You have, because of nil, a ton of great players that returned and for the first time, international Players are leaving their professional leagues and coming and playing in college because of Nil. Andrew. This is the most talent in college basketball that I can remember. Rick Patino said that as well. You've got teams that are like ranked 20th in the country that are better than teams. All but a couple teams even 10 years ago. People, this week is a big week, the Thanksgiving week of college basketball. There are great tournaments all over the country. People should, in their off time of football tune in because it is going to be a great season and it's.

[Andrew]

Good to see some of the powerhouse schools have these players that you're talking about.

[Matt Myron]

Right.

[Andrew]

Like in college football. The reason why this year's playoff is going to be so much different than the preseason rankings is because nobody really knew who was going to be good. You have the, you have the powerhouses in college basketball right now. And you and I talked about it before the show. Yeah. You might not see the upsets come March, but you're going to see great basketball starting in November. And that's a great.

[Matt Myron]

Best players in the country. Darren Peterson's at Kansas, Caleb Wilson's at North Carolina, Cameron Boozers at Duke. AJ DeBont says at BYU, those dudes are all good. Can you know this? The teams you know, UConn, Kentucky, Michigan State, Louisville, like all these teams are good. Like, and then there are teams you're not used to. The Texas Techs of the world are good. Like there's this whole. I don't think. I think the sport is in a really good place. Nil has made football. There's some negatives to football when it comes to college basketball. NIL has been a massive win for the sport.

[Andrew]

Yeah, top programs.

[Matt Myron]

Best thing you could have had for college basketball. To reinsert juice into it. It's time to talk more about the NFL. We are counting you down to kickoff. It is Matt Myron. Well, not Myron. Andrew here on ESPN Radio, Matt and Myron, the podcast.

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[Matt Myron]

Oh, is this. Is this the Bellamy Brothers? Is that. Is that what you're playing here, James?

[Andrew]

He just shakes.

[James]

I'm not playing the music. It's Rachel.

[Matt Myron]

Are you playing it? I. I am.

[Mina Kimes]

I actually don't know who this song is by.

[Matt Myron]

So you're just playing songs and you don't know who they are? This is the Bellamy Brothers.

[Andrew]

This is the Bellamy brothers by 1976.

[Matt Myron]

Yeah, give. First of all, give the Bellamy Brothers some respect. This is a. They are a. They are a legit country powerhouse of a group. By the way, I can't believe you hope you play a song and you don't know. You don't know. Don't know who they are. Andrew, do. Were you aware aware of the Bellamy Brothers?

[Andrew]

No, I was not aware of the Bellamy Brothers. I heard that song before.

[Matt Myron]

Well, can I read you. This was one of their three big hits. Quick, can I read you the titles of the other two, please? One is Old Hippie, which is actually a great song. He's an old hippie and he don't know what to do. It's kind of explains our producer, James. The other one is if I said you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me? Which is not a song they would make nowadays.

[Andrew]

Seems like a. I don't think it's.

[Matt Myron]

Really poor pickup line. And one I would suggest you not use when you go out Sunday Headlines was brought to you by ESPN BET Sportsbook. Download the app today, 21+. And if you have a gambling problem, call 1-800-GAMBLER I'm going to cede the floor here to Andrew South Junice. It is Eagles Cowboys. We have the voice of the fans of the Eagles. How do you see this game with your rival in Dallas?

[Andrew]

So it's, it's going to be interesting because the Eagles defense has played so well the last two weeks. They're starting to really look like the super bowl defense that we saw last year. That that be up on the packers, beat up on the Rams, beat up on the Commanders and then beat up on the Chiefs. And it's been a tough road this year because of what the offense has done. They are one of the worst three and out teams offensively in the NFL. So in some of these games against good opponents, they've been on the field constantly. But you saw the last two weeks, them sort of look like their super bowl form defensively, not offensively. It'll be interesting today because they're in Jerry's world, they're in the dome. Whereas the last two weeks it was really windy at Lincoln Financial Field when they played the Lions and the week before that it was really cold in Lambeau. So it wasn't going to be like an aerial attack for both teams. And that's why maybe the point totals were so low. The Eagles offense, there's no more excuses for them, Matt. There just isn't. I mean I know that they are eight and two and somebody that is not an Eagles fan will probably yell at me through their radio right now and say could you pipe down please. What are you complaining about?

[Matt Myron]

What I'm those people, by the way.

[Andrew]

Well, what I'm complaining about is an offense that doesn't look like a Super Bow offense. However, it's exactly what we were talking about last.

[Matt Myron]

But who's better? Like when you sit there at eight and two and you are tied for first in the NFC and you look at the AFC with a lot of teams with nine and two. Eight sure. Records, who out there do you think has a team?

[Andrew]

I think the Rams are the scariest threat because the Rams have that young defense like the Eagles and how they're coming to form right now. The Rams defense has played okay.

[Matt Myron]

Well, so, so, but I mean I don't you think if the Eagles played almost anyone on a neutral field tomorrow they would be favored or it would be close to a pick them?

[Andrew]

Yes, absolutely. I do feel that way.

[Matt Myron]

But I mean why, what, what, what are you so concerned about? Why are you Eagles fans so like I don't understand why you all are not crowing. We're the defending champs. We're tied for the best record in the NFL. Get out of our way.

[Andrew]

Well, we tried to do that, but the problem is you have a number one wide receiver that is very open about his frustration with the offense, which we all see. Right.

[Matt Myron]

So talk to me about that. Where are the Philadelphia Fans on this? A.J. brown whining well, it's amazing.

[Andrew]

A couple of weeks ago there were a lot of people behind him like yeah, you're right because they have a new offensive coordinator and Kevin Petullo this year and because the offenses hasn't Looked good. Everybody always looks for a scapegoat that's any city, any sports sound doesn't have to be Philadelphia. It's, it's, it's. Wherever you're at, if something doesn't look good, you're looking for a scapegoat as to why it's not going well. And right now, as the weeks have gone on, A.J. brown had to be talked to by the owner. Jeffrey Lurie had to come down to the practice and say, hey, enough is enough. So that was, I think, the first sign for a lot of Eagles fans that had A.J. brown's back, like, okay, maybe this is actually becoming a problem in house.

[Matt Myron]

So your fan base takes cues from the owner, not the.

[Andrew]

Here they look, I love doing my job in the city of Philadelphia, but if I talk about something that's a problem when the Eagles are good, I get. I get attacked. Right? Because the Eagles are into. All they do is win. But everybody respects Jeffrey. Jeffrey Lurie is the polar opposite of Jerry Jones, right? Like Jerry Jones, who the Eagles are playing this weekend. I say Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys. Nobody says Jeffrey Lurie in the Philadelphia Eagles. And yet he always is putting up upfront money to get the best players possible on this team. And if there is a problem, he is somebody that will go and address it. He's not trying to be in the media every week like Jerry Jones is. He's not trying to drum up stories which Jerry Jones admitted to two weeks ago, saying, I do this on purpose to stay in the news. Jeffrey Lurie kind of stays in the shadows. But when he feels necessary to address something, he will. And Philadelphia fans know that. And now, since that meeting sound like.

[Matt Myron]

Someone who would like to. To get a job from Jeffrey, I mean, this is. This may be Jeffrey Lurie's, like you said, like, maybe his biggest fan.

[Andrew]

Well, look, I don't mind. I don't mind the pay from espn, but I would imagine if I'm an employee of the Philadelphia Eagles, that that doesn't sound too bad.

[Matt Myron]

No, he is a model owner in some ways. In terms of what you want from your franchise doesn't medal, etc. I just don't understand your. I don't understand Eagles angst. I really don't. Because when I watch them, I see a team that does just enough to win these games. But I never feel like the Eagles are in trouble. Right. Some of these other teams I watch, and it feels like they're always walking a knife's edge. Like the Bills, for instance. Even the Chiefs. I feel like the Eagles, they take care of business. They're methodical. Yeah, they might win by seven, but they were up three or seven the entire game. There was never a moment that I felt like they weren't going to win. I think I have today more confidence in the Philadelphia Eagles than I do any other team in the NFL.

[Andrew]

Here's why. Come kickoff, we're all right there with you.

[Matt Myron]

Okay.

[Andrew]

But it's the. This is a sports obsessed town. You already know that. Philadelphia is a sports obsessed town. So the Eagles can win a game on Sunday, and then there's going to be some sort of dramatic report that comes out Monday that's talked about until the next Sunday, and that. And that's what's going on right now with the A.J. brown. There is a new level to the A.J. brown story. It seems like every single week, and it's been going on since Tampa.

[Matt Myron]

From an outsider's perspective, though, to me, A.J. brown is the. To be simplistic, the bad guy, like he seems to me to be unreasonable.

[Andrew]

It's becoming that it wasn't at first because everybody agreed with him that the offense needed to improve. But then all of a sudden there's a leak about Jalen Hurts and how there are people inside the locker room that are frustrated with Jalen Hurts. And it's kind of safe to assume who that might be that's saying these things when he's been the vocal one.

[Matt Myron]

Why would anyone take A.J. brown side? Jalen Hurts has done at every level. Jalen Hurts has won. He wanted Alabama, he wanted Oklahoma. He then came to the Eagles. Kind of people were skeptical, thought he was picked too high. He won there and. And he's taking you to a Super Bowl. Why doesn't everyone side with Jalen Hurts?

[Andrew]

Because he's not. I do, by the way. I just want to make it clear. I do side with Jalen Hurts. I do think there are areas in his game that he's not the best at. Right.

[Matt Myron]

Okay. But not everyone is the best.

[Andrew]

Right? Exactly. He just wins. And I think ultimately, I mean, they.

[Matt Myron]

Moved him in Alabama out.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Matt Myron]

And then he went one at Oklahoma. Right.

[Andrew]

But him just winning sometimes isn't enough because people worry. All right, Are they going to be able to score 16 points en route to a. Are they going to be able to score 10 points, which they did against the Packers. And that's not just Jalen Hurts. It's the entire offense.

[Matt Myron]

They did it last year. I maybe. I guess I'm just more confident in the Eagles than Their fans are. What about today against Dallas? A Dallas team that probably, if they want to have any shot at making playoffs, probably has to win today.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I mean, it's. The Cowboys need this game more in terms of their season being on the line. If they fall to 4, 6 and 1 by the end of today, the seventh seed in the NFC will have seven wins. It's either going to be the Lions or it's going to be the packers or it could even be the Panthers tomorrow night, Monday Night football or the 49ers. Somebody will have seven wins. So if the Cowboys lose today, they're going to be three wins back of that final wild card team. So they need this game desperately. But we just talked about the Rams. Rams are at home today. The Eagles, if they want to try to have that bye week, which we all know that the end of the season, everybody has tried to. Trying to get that by. The Eagles offensive line is banged up. They need it. And so I might almost say in terms of big picture, this game means more to the Eagles and the Cowboys. Getting into the playoffs is one thing, but the Cowboys are going to do anything in the playoffs.

[Matt Myron]

To the Eagles fans, do you all, like, like, deep down, like, really in your souls, in your cheesesteak souls, do you really like the tush push or are you just like, we're good at.

[Andrew]

They love the tush push.

[Matt Myron]

Not really, though.

[Andrew]

Yes, here's my one. Here's my one beef with it.

[Matt Myron]

You enjoy pushing the tushes.

[Andrew]

They do. But here's my one beef with it. It almost seems like they're reliant on it. Like, they literally will tell you, Nick Sirianni will say it's first and nine. It is not first and 10. And they have it in the back of their head. All right, it's third and fourth.

[Matt Myron]

I just don't believe you all really like it. You like that you're good at it, but I can't imagine everybody sits around with their children and go, hey, kids, turn on the tv. It's tush push.

[Andrew]

There was a man on one of our local news stations here that had a tush push. The play design of the tush push tattooed on his hand is the biggest on his tush. There are a lot of people that love the tush push.

[Matt Myron]

That man, honestly, probably should be locked up or at least investigated. I'm all for work, I'm all for crazy fan tattoos, but if you get.

[Andrew]

A tush push on his right tush, his right cheek.

[Matt Myron]

Oh, he did it on the oh.

[Andrew]

Yeah, he did it on the tush.

[Matt Myron]

He did the tush.

[Andrew]

Push on the tush. That's how obsessed people are with that play here.

[Matt Myron]

Miss this news. Well, don't. Don't put that on the tourism brochures on Visit Philly.

[Andrew]

You don't want that to be a part of Visit Philly.

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[Matt Myron]

It is Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio. You can tune in for a football doubleheader. Today the packers host the vi, followed by the Jags at the Cardinals. Coverage begins at noon Eastern on select ESPN radio stations. The Vikings and the packers are here on ESPN Radio. A huge game really for both teams. The packers if they want to win the division. The Vikings if they want to just have a pulse of a season. The packers schedule is really tough after today. They need to win this game. Running back Josh Jacobs is out today with a knee injury, so Emmanuel Wilson will start at running back. These NFC north battles this year have been kind of hard to to follow. You don't really know what teams are going to show up. You know, the Bears. The Bears have actually gotten blown out a couple times, but Then they've also won and now. So I don't know what to expect on this game. I do think though, if the packers want to make noise, they've got to win this game. Probably rather handy, not just make noise.

[Andrew]

Matt, to make the playoffs. I mean, you mentioned the schedule that they have after this game against Minnesota. It doesn't get any easier. You have the Vikings, then you have to go to Detroit to take on the Lions. You got the Bears, Broncos, Bears and then Ravens, Vikings to close out the season. You mentioned the division has been strange. Right. Minnesota goes into Detroit and beats the Lions and then that's when the alter ego Nine came to the world with JJ McCarthy. And since then they have looked horrible and they've lost their last two games. So these games have been so strange in the NFC North. If the packers want to make the playoffs, they, they have a tough road and the teams that are around them, the Detroit Lions, I still think win that division. They're on the outside looking in right now if the season ended today. And San Francisco, I think everybody's kind of waiting to see who they are because they have so many injuries this year. Their schedule is, is cake.

[Matt Myron]

It's very, very easy. You have to assume, in my opinion, you have to assume San Francisco gets one of the wild cards just because of schedule.

[Andrew]

I think so.

[Matt Myron]

But even though we make it sound dire, there is a world where the Bears lose to the Steelers. The packers win today, and they're in first place in the division. I mean, this is kind of a hinge game for them. They could come out of this in perfect shape. They could also come out of it, like you said, going, wait a minute, we may not make the playoffs. They also have some tiebreakers working against them, including with the Carolina Panthers, who they lost to on their home field.

[Andrew]

And they've had some bad losses. Right. The Panthers, I know The Panthers are above.500, but still, I think that's going to ultimately be a bad loss for them down the road. You know, we have, we know what happened earlier this season with the Cleveland Browns. The packers lost that game. It's, it's been a weird season for them. And ultimately this is a referendum on both Jordan Love and Matt LaFleur because a lot of people had the packers as like their, their super bowl pick or their dark horse team that can get to the NFC Championship game. A lot of people thought that they would win the NFC North. Could you imagine a team that is picked to win the super bowl, doesn't even make the playoffs and you can't give the injury excuse. It's not like Detroit last year that had so many players injured to the point where the NFC championship game or, excuse me, the divisional round, they just couldn't handle themselves against the Commanders. It's not like the packers have been suffering with injuries. They're actually getting healthier. Christian Watson's back, right. I know Josh Jacobs is out today, but it's not like the packers have that, that injury that you can point to and say that's the reason why they didn't make the playoffs.

[Matt Myron]

No, you don't. The Mina Kimes is an ESPN NFL analyst and I. And she was talking about the. What was the key for this game and I thought it was interesting what she said. Play it right here.

[Mina Kimes]

J.T. mcCarthy just has to play on time. And this applies to every game. But I think it's really notable against the Green B defense that's been very good, but has struggled against quarterbacks when they play in rhythm, meaning between two and a half and three second time to throw. They're actually 29th in EPA per play because pressure isn't getting home in time. This has been, of course, an issue for jj, whose timing has been a problem. He holds onto the football too long. He has to play fast the way he has on some of those scripted drives to have success against this packers defense.

[Matt Myron]

The reason I point that out is I am kind of in a. I don't know, I sort of wonder if the Vikings need to look a different way than J.J. mcCarthy going forward. And this is a game where the packers weakness is exactly what JJ McCarthy needs to be doing. And if he cannot have some success in this game after multiple weeks of looking shaky since his injury and before I start to think when you're Vikings, you got to look and go, what are we doing for the future? Because I think there's a lot of Vikings fans sitting there wondering, is JJ McCarthy our guy long term?

[Andrew]

Right. And it doesn't help that you've seen what Sam Darnold has been able to accomplish with Seattle since leaving Minnesota. Right. And I know he had a horrible game last week. Sam Darnold did with the four interceptions. But you see what he's been able to accomplish with Seattle. They're going to potentially be the division winners out west or they'll be the top wild card team. And you might be on the outside looking at, I believe the Vikings are going to miss the playoffs and they have all the talent in the world. All. I mean, with Justin Jefferson, I know Jordan Addison was suspended early on the season. I know TJ Hawkins has been dealing with some injuries. I know Aaron Jones has been dealing with some injuries, but it's been more so JJ McCarthy's own mistakes and not the players around him. And you saw for a couple of weeks when Carson Wentz was starting, it.

[Matt Myron]

Wasn'T great, but it was better.

[Andrew]

But it was better. And if he doesn't get hurt, who knows what Minnesota's doing right now.

[Matt Myron]

Yeah. Well, let's talk about those Seahawks for a minute. They are seven and three, but let me just note, the three games they've lost were a combined eight points between the three of them and they were against the 49ers, the Bucks and the Rams. So not exactly pushovers.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Matt Myron]

I mean, they, they, I think, have looked very good. I know Sam Darnold didn't play well last week, but I still believe in the Seahawks as an outsider super bowl contender. Do you?

[Andrew]

Yeah, because their defense is that talented. And you know that if they are able to win that division, which I know is going to be tough after losing to the Rams last week, nobody wants to travel to Seattle and play.

[Matt Myron]

And they still play the Rams again in Seattle.

[Andrew]

So there's a chance.

[Matt Myron]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And. And you see what's going to be really interesting is once Rashid Shahid has more time in that system, I thought that was one of the better trades other than Jalen Phillips of the Eagles at the NFL trade deadline because Jackson, Smith and Jigba has been pretty much by himself and he's been having a ridiculous season this year. So now you add that deep threat in Shahid that Sam Darnold can look to over the top. It's, it's a really good. It's. Sam Darnold will be the biggest question come playoff time because we saw last year they were a regular season team and then he melted like hot butter in the playoffs. So really, it depends on who Sam Darnold is now that he has that playoff experience last year for Minnesota because he wasn't getting that with the Jets.

[Matt Myron]

I'm excited to see Rasheed Shahid because it is my favorite name to say in the NFL. I just like saying Rasheed Shahid and so I'm glad to have him back in my life and I hope that he has a big game for Seattle. They play the Titans today. That means that should be your pick if you're still in a Survivor League. Now the it is time for King of the Mountain in the next segment. Now, if you have not played this with us, Andrew, have you played this with us?

[Andrew]

I filled in for you a couple of times.

[Matt Myron]

Okay, so. So for King of the Mountain, you call in 30 second hot take. You give us your best one, we'll pick the best one for today and then you'll go up against what is now a five week winner. Our current King of the Mountain has had the title for five weeks. It is, I mean, I still think it can be beaten, but we need somebody who has a, a great take. 30 seconds to the point. Either you make a good point or you make it entertaining. But I am ready for someone to knock off King of the Mountain, Andrew. But the last couple weeks people have tried and have it. Today I think would be a good day to make it happen.

[Andrew]

Yeah, five straight weeks. That, that's impressive. Imagine you're about to go home to your family for Thanksgiving and you say, you know what I did last week? What would make them more proud like that is what you talk about dinner table. No politics. Right? No religion. You talk about being King of the mountain on Matt.

[Matt Myron]

That's exactly right. Yeah. You know what? I don't care what you think about the president. I'm the King of the Mountain. That's a way to unify family. 888 say ESPN. Call in now. We'll take it next here on Matt and Myron. Matt and Myron, the podcast. Monster Energy. Everybody knows White Monster Zero Ultra, that's the OG it kicked off this whole zero sugar energy drink thing. But Ultra is a whole lineup now. You've got Strawberry Dreams, Blue Hawaiian Sunrise and Vice Guava. And they all bring the Monster Energy punch. So if you've been living in the White can, branch out. Ultra's got a flavor for every vibe and every single one is Zero Sugar Tap the banner to learn more.