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- [00:01]
Matt Jones
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Myron Metcalf
It's Sunday morning here on ESPN Radio. Matt Jones, Myron Metcalf, couple things here before we get to our man on the on the phones. Oh so Gillespie does exist. He plays for the Phoenix Suns. Myron, I wasn't convinced that was a real person. Where'd he go to school? Mikey? You looked him up? I'm still searching. It came from the G League.
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Matt Jones
Yeah.
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Myron Metcalf
No, it's not. It's a very convoluted story of oh so. I'm gonna research it. Well, I would rather watch Oso than ca tournament. I'll tell you who is a real person. Who can I tell you guys?
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Matt Jones
Those are two different people.
- [01:17]
Myron Metcalf
What oh so Gillespie? Oh, oh.
- [01:20]
Matt Jones
Oso Iguidaro and Colin Gillespie.
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Myron Metcalf
But there is an oh so Gillespie as well as what? It's what Mikey just said.
- [01:29]
Matt Jones
There's not. He's wrong. There's a Colin Gillespie.
- [01:32]
Myron Metcalf
I'll let you all argue about that. Tom Crane is ESPN's college basketball analyst. He is here in Milwaukee where I am. He'll be on the call for Kentucky, Illinois and Iowa State. Ole Miss. Tom, I got a lot of stuff I want to ask you, but let's go back just for a second to yesterday. You know, you've coached against Calipari and Pitino over the years. You know, I know coaches know when there are coaches who don't particularly like each other, and those two do not. You've been in that coaching moment. You know what the tournament is. You know what it's like to coach against a rival. You know what it's like with all this. When you watch that, how did you feel? Just about all the emotions surrounding the game and then the results.
- [02:15]
Tom Crean
I thought they played it off really well. I thought, you know, Rick is a lot of things. He's a great coach, but he cannot stand when you talk. When the other coach is having a conference and getting away with something, he thinks you shouldn't be with the officials. And from that moment on I thought it was on even more and I just think there was tension but the players, the rhythm of the game was so weird because of the officiating. I mean it really was awful, wasn't it Tom?
- [02:46]
Myron Metcalf
I thought it was terrible officiating. Did you?
- [02:49]
Tom Crean
Well, here's. I don't know if it's terrible. Here's the thing. We and it's we. I might have said this on your show, your guys show last week that St. John's success a lot was going to come down to how they were officiated in this tournament. And and it's not like everybody else doesn't foul some too but they are really, really aggressive. I mean they get up into your body and they're not like a lot of. A lot of teams are like that. But when you bring officials in that really don't have great familiarity with either team and in some cases the league and it wasn't a knock against who the officials were. It's in fact they really don't know those teams. And so I could feel that even in here the other night with the games on Friday inside of Milwaukee and Matt, you were at him too. It's like they let a lot of things go inside of those games. They didn't call ticky tack type of things. And I mean there were some plays like man where is the. Where's the call? They're like three files on the same play. But the other day with that game it wasn't like that. That could I Richmond fifth foul. I'm still shocked at that. He plays 16 minutes. He's as good an inch for inch passer is there is in the country with his vision. I mean and when you play a guy like that 16 minutes in the game it's not the shooting as much as the effect he can have on everybody else inside of the game. So there was never a real rhythm or flow. Neither team obviously shot it really well and it was going to come down to who could handle the adversity and the non rhythm of the game. The best and really where Rick's strengths are is they just get you man. When it gets down to the last 10 minutes, 8 minutes, 7 minutes, 6 minutes if that thing is close or they're within striking distance, that's usually when they get their wins and they just couldn't do that again. John yesterday that that offense, the defense has been good for for John Calipari for a while but they have improved even though they didn't shoot it as well. They have improved offensively a Ton in the last month, especially since D.J. wagner became much more assertive and comfortable with the ball and making decisions. And the fact that Jonas A. Do and John L. Davis finally had improved, whether it was health or confidence or technique, whatever it was, they're way better than what they were earlier in the season. And then Billy Richmond, you always knew he was going to be an X factor for this team. I didn't see him getting those kind of points, but he was a huge X factor because of his energy yesterday in that game.
- [05:14]
Matt Jones
Tom, you've obviously coached some incredible players. We watched Rick Pitino Sit RJ Lewis Jr Biggie's Player of the year, All American in the last five minutes of what felt like a winnable game at that point. What did you make of that? And then Patino's explanation after the game.
- [05:32]
Tom Crean
It was different. And again, as a coach and even trying to do this on this side now, like, it's so hard when you don't know what's being said inside of those huddles, what the body language is like, because you see the body language on the court or the bench, you don't know what is said and you don't know what has led up to it. And he didn't play. R.J. didn't play well. I mean, it. I kept waiting, okay, is he going to just put him back in? Is he sending a message, going to put him back in. But he didn't do that. And that's. You can't argue with him on that. And even if I wasn't a coach, I wouldn't argue with him on that. I mean, he's. He's with those guys every day. I mean, so he, he knows the inner workings. And you can't be as good as Rick is and not have a total pulse of your team and of your players. I mean, you just can't. And so I don't look at that as. That's his decision. He knew what he was doing. He knew the stakes of the game and he was comfortable with it. And he's won enough games that he deserves the benefit of the doubt on the decision he made.
- [06:29]
Myron Metcalf
He's done it a few times in the past. Roderick Rhodes in 95 at Kentucky, Terrence Williams at 09 in Louisville. I mean, he's done it in these kind of games in the past, so didn't work out last night. Talking to Tom Crane, ESPN college basketball analyst. All right, you got two games today. Kentucky, Illinois, Iowa State, Ole Miss. We'll start with my Kentucky team. You know, Illinois is a feast or famine team, Tom. When they're hot, they're as good as anybody. When they're not there, as bad as anybody. So is it just like let's just see how they come out and shoot or is there something else to watch for?
- [07:00]
Tom Crean
Well, no, I think this is going to be, it's going to be tough. You got two teams. I mean Illinois is ninth in the country at 84 points a game. Kentucky six country at 85 points a game. These two teams are in the upper top 25 in pace. I mean it's going to be fast. Doesn't mean it's going to be pretty, but it's going to be fast. And I think both teams really thrive inside of that. I think for both teams are really, really good rebounding teams. But Illinois is tremendous offensively on the glass and if they can rebound the ball. When they were struggling in the season, they had a 46 spurt where they weren't offensive rebounding the ball nearly close to what their percentages were and they were missing threes. They're a high volume three point shooting team and they were missing a ton of threes and they weren't getting the boards. They're better at that. I, I think, I think a kid, Cash Parish is going to be really huge tonight. If you look at these games inside of these, these, this tournament, he's averaging six turnovers a game inside, not this game, but if you look at the Big Ten tournament and now six turnovers a game which leads their team. He's getting three offensive rebounds. He's only shooting 23% from the three, but he's 22 or 23 from the foul line. Like he is a complete X factor for Illinois and Boswell is just, he's, he's, as Orlando Antigua called him, he's the tip of the spear of their team. And, and what's crazy, which I didn't realize till preparing for this game, Kylan Basel is 19 years of age and in his third year of college basketball. And what he did to Ryan Conwell the other night defensively was, I mean they couldn't sniff it. Conwell scored early and he barely scored on him again the rest of the game. I think Andrew Carr is going to have to continue to have a big game. I think Ortega always going to have to be really good. He's got to do more, he's got to do more longer I think inside of this game and they're going to have to be really, I think creative in how they free up Ortega in this game. Lamont Butler, as everybody knows, that follows. Kentucky knows he's not close to 100% health, but he's out there fighting and gutting and you wouldn't know it when he's got that ball in the open floor. But at the end of the day, along with the rebounding, it will be a visage. And Amari Williams and how they play against one another because. Or how. I shouldn't say how they play against one another, how they play for their teams because Zach Fremantle was a huge, huge factor for Xavier to be in the NCAA tournament and he didn't get anything done the other night against Amari. Really didn't look to Tom sounds like.
- [09:33]
Myron Metcalf
We'Re going to lose. I don't know if you heard that. Tom sounds like Illinois.
- [09:38]
Tom Crean
No, no, no, no, no, Matt, I didn't say that. I think it's gonna be a heck of a game. I'm not picking away. I'm calling the game.
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Myron Metcalf
Yeah, no, I understand real quick. Iowa State, I think is probably the most overlooked, really good team in the tournament. You watched them up close. Is that a team that can contend for a Final Four?
- [09:57]
Tom Crean
Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think there are too many people that are writing them off because Keyshawn Gilbert was out. That team is, is tough. What's wild about that team in neutral games, Mylan Momcila bitch is shooting at such a high rate from 3. I mean the guy shooting 51% in neutral court games, I mean he's. It's phenomenal. I mean and that game is going to come down to the toughness of the glass when, when Ole Miss loses, they get out rebounded by 13. I think that's a big factor too. Now they rebounded well the other night even though Carolina got back in it. But I think that's going to be very hard fought physical game. How people play out at doubles. That's going to be a chess match type of game. I don't. It'll have good pace. I don't know if it'll have the pace or close to the pace that Illinois, Kentucky has. But I think I'm fortunate. I think it's going to be two great games in here, but I don't. I think Kentucky, if they're making threes and they're getting out in transition and they're going to have to not only do a great job of getting away loose, they've got to make sure Brea gets enough looks so that he can get enough three point attempts. Because you want him, you want him touching the ball as much as you possibly can because he's got the range and he's got the capabilities.
- [11:12]
Myron Metcalf
Tom Crean, ESPN college basketball analyst. He will be on the radio calls of the games today. Tom, thank you very much. Myron. You've never lived till you've walked down the streets of Milwaukee at midnight roaming around and you look in a window and there's Tom Crean and Noah Eagle eating a burrito. That's how you know it's NCAA tournament time. Tom, thank you very much.
- [11:33]
Tom Crean
At Taco Mike's. Did you get any Taco Mike's? Matt?
- [11:36]
Myron Metcalf
I did. It's good. I was a Taco Mike fan.
- [11:39]
Matt Jones
Tom. I told him to go to cops.
- [11:41]
Tom Crean
I told him to go to cops after midnight.
- [11:43]
Matt Jones
What about cops? Tom? I talk about cops.
- [11:47]
Tom Crean
Oh yeah, cops. I didn't have any cops. I know that's one of your staples. Myron. I didn't have any. I can't have that many sweets.
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Myron Metcalf
So Taco mics for the win. Thank you, Tom. Appreciate it. There we go. We will do some Sunday headlines and more on the stories outside of the world of college basketball. That's next here on Sunday MORNING with Matt and Myron.
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Matt Jones
Matt and Myron, the podcast.
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- [13:22]
Myron Metcalf
It is Sunday morning here on ESPN Radio presented by Progressive Insurance. You got to give it a poor one out for the Drake basketball team. They just lost their coach this morning it looks like to Iowa Ben McCollum. And then when they lost the Texas Tech yesterday, the Texas Tech basketball account put a picture of one of their best players. Face JT Toppin on Kendrick Lamar's body and said, say, Drake. That's brutal, isn't it, Myron? Like, that's a. That's a brutal, dude. You lose your coach and you get memed by by Texas Tech. That's hard.
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Matt Jones
Yeah. Drake will never escape that, will it? I mean, that's like the college or.
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Myron Metcalf
The person or both.
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Matt Jones
I mean, the college will be fine. The person will never, ever be able to escape that, no matter what he does.
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Myron Metcalf
I don't think he will. That's right. All right, it is now time for the news behind the News. Let's go to Sunday headlines. All right, what's up first?
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Matt Jones
Yeah.
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News Anchor
First, VCU coach Ryan Odom was named the next head coach at Virginia, the program announced Saturday. Odom led VCU to the NCAA tournament this season and is only in only his second year of the program. And notably, Odom was the head coach at UMBC when they upset Virginia as a 16 seed in 2018. What do you think about this?
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Myron Metcalf
That's it. That's the interesting part to me. I mean, the first time a 1 seed went down to a 16 was Virginia losing the UMBC. And now seven years later, they're actually going to hire the guy that did it. Like, I can't imagine Kentucky hiring the St. Peter's coach, but I guess it's going to happen. Can Purdue hire the Fairleigh Dickinson coach? It feels like it's a little. Feels crazy. But he's done a good job. Done a good job at vcu. Virginia needs a shot in the arm, so why not?
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Matt Jones
Yeah. I mean, that win catapulted his entire career and led to this moment. I also think it helps that he coaches in the state of Virginia already and, you know, if they can get some nil money, he's proven that he can coach at a high level. They can.
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Myron Metcalf
Why does that help? Just like he doesn't have to pay as much for moving fees.
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Matt Jones
No, I think there's knowing the landscape. You know this, Matt. If you're in Virginia, you're coaching against all those North Carolina, Tennessee. There's a lot of schools going for that in that area. And he knows how to do it.
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Myron Metcalf
Yeah, I mean, when Virginia Tech football was rolling, they basically own that Hampton, Newport News, like all that area. And that's a big part of it. And you're right, the North Carolinas of the world could come take it. So there's a lot of players in Virginia. I think Virginia's got to get away from the Tony Bennett style. It did work, but it's Time for modern basketball, right? Like, you can't play 44 points a game anymore. Would you agree with that? This is a completely different style.
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Matt Jones
You can't recruit to that. I mean, I think you can't.
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Myron Metcalf
Not anymore. Not anymore. It worked when it did, when Tony did it. I don't think you can do it anymore. What's next?
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News Anchor
Pittsburgh Pirates pitcher Paul Skeen's 2024 Tops Chrome MLB. MLB debut patch autograph card sold for a stunning $1.11 million on Thursday. It's a record. Paid for a skins card whose 2025 base salary is $875,000.
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Myron Metcalf
Yeah, anybody who paid for that, Myron, is a nerd. I can't imagine paying $1.1 million. First of all, I didn't even know they still had tops. I thought tops went away. But if you want to buy it, go for it. I can't imagine having one point William $1 million and thinking, I want a baseball card. But Myron teach their own tops.
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Matt Jones
Also signed. That McNiece dude, that manager, everything. Come on, man. He got a top scar. But. But I will say I'm never shocked by this stuff. If you're spending 1.1 million on a card, it's because you have a ton of money. So this just feels like stuff that wealthy people do, rich people do. But yeah, I would love to pull one of those cards.
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News Anchor
So here's what I was. It was Dick's Sporting Goods who bought it. They said they're going to display.
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Myron Metcalf
Don't they have enough financial problems?
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News Anchor
Dick's House of Sports store in Pittsburgh.
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Matt Jones
Wait, wait, wait, wait. They bought a million dollar.
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News Anchor
Hold on a second.
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Myron Metcalf
Dude.
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Matt Jones
They bought a million dollar car, dude.
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Myron Metcalf
If I'm a Dick's stockholder. If I'm a Dick's Sporting Goods stockholder, I'm going to the meeting, at the next stock meeting and going, what are we doing buying these cards for a million dollars?
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Matt Jones
If you go to Dick's this weekend and there's one person at the register and only one other person in the store, you know why? Because they just spent a million dollars on a baseball card. And that's why they can't help you find those cleats.
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Myron Metcalf
My grandfather used to say there's people out there that have more dollars than cents. And this is an example of that. And that's exactly right. What's next?
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Matt Jones
The country saying that you can only say in the country, but it's true.
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Myron Metcalf
Some people have more dollars than cents. And that's exactly. This is one of them. What's next?
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News Anchor
Former NFL quarterback and the 2016 NFL MVP, Matt Ryan joined Best Week Ever earlier today and had this to say about the competition between Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones in Indianapolis.
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Tom Crean
I think the competition will be good for him. I think Daniel Jones has a real chance to start. I really do. So we'll see how it shakes out. But I think the competition will be good for him. And I think if you're a Colts fan or you're in that Colts organization, you're hoping that a guy like Daniel, you know, comes in and pushes Anthony to be better and to kind of improve and. And become more consistent and become a better leader.
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News Anchor
Daniel Jones has a chance to start for the Colts. What do you think about that?
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Myron Metcalf
Can I ask you a question? Where'd you say Matt Ryan said this on the show before us?
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News Anchor
Yeah. Best week ever. Yes.
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Matt Jones
Yeah.
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Myron Metcalf
Why didn't we get Matt Ryan? Like, I'd like to talk to Matt Ryan. Like, is he. Does he just not. Peter Burns saw him at a golf tournament and got buddy. Buddy with him. That's how they. So Peter Burns just went. So the problem is we don't get out in public enough. Myron, when's the last time you ran into a celebrity and tried to get him on the show?
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Matt Jones
I've run into celebrities. I haven't tried to get them on the show. I could. I could do that.
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Myron Metcalf
What do you. What celebrities have you run into?
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Matt Jones
What's.
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Myron Metcalf
I mean, when do you run into a celebrity?
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Matt Jones
I've been to things where you see.
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Myron Metcalf
What have you been to? Give me something you've been to. For the celebrity reason.
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Matt Jones
When have you been to a guy you know Barkley? A couple weeks ago.
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Myron Metcalf
So why didn't you. Okay, hang on just a second. If you just saw Barkley a couple weeks ago, why didn't you ask him to come on the show? Peter Burns does it. I'm just.
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Matt Jones
I'm not that. But I can be that. I can. I can do that in those.
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Myron Metcalf
What do you mean you're not that? Why can't you. Why can't you go up. Go up to Charles Barkley and say, I'm Iron Metcalf. Say you're. Use your official voice that you use when you host. And you did talk to him.
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Matt Jones
Yeah. Yeah.
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Myron Metcalf
And you didn't ask him to come on the show.
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Matt Jones
Next time. I'll remember that. I remember now.
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News Anchor
You saw. You saw Tom Crane in a burrito store, and you didn't.
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Myron Metcalf
But Tom Crane had already been on show. Okay.
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Matt Jones
Okay.
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Myron Metcalf
I'll have.
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Matt Jones
I think I have Noah Eagle.
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Myron Metcalf
Okay. But Noah Eagle and Charles. I love Noah Eagle, but he's not exactly on Charles Barkley's, like, celebrity level.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, I saw a dude from Grey's Anatomy at the airport.
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Myron Metcalf
So why didn't you ask the dude from Grey's Anatomy at the airport, huh?
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News Anchor
McDreamy or Jesse?
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Matt Jones
Is that his name? Jesse. Jesse something.
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Myron Metcalf
Jesse. Well, don't go up to me and go, is your name Jesse something from. You need to know the guy's name.
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Matt Jones
Before you approach him at the airport. I thought.
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Myron Metcalf
Wait, you saw Post Malone? So you're. First of all, you're just dropping the names of celebrities, but none of these people are people you asked to be on the show. What about Post Malone?
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Matt Jones
I don't. I mean, I'm not into this version of Post Malone necessarily, but I saw him at the airport. I don't think he'd do the show. You know?
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Myron Metcalf
Why not? You don't know him.
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Matt Jones
You think he'd do the show. I don't. I don't feel like he's a radio dude.
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Myron Metcalf
All right, fine. I'm just saying, shout out to Peter Burns for going up to Matt Ryan and saying, would you come on the. Well done. I wish I had a co host who had that kind of gumption to go up to people and bring us guests. Theo Vaughn. When did you see him?
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Matt Jones
I was just in line with him. I was just in line with him at lax. Yeah. Say what's up to him? Yeah, we talked for a little bit. You just said what up to him?
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Myron Metcalf
You're just like. Or what up, Theo Vaughn?
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Matt Jones
Yeah, just. Yeah, we just.
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Myron Metcalf
The real story. What up, Theo Vaughn? You just said. Well, what'd he say back to you?
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Matt Jones
They said, cool. Yeah. What's up? Yeah, that's all. We just talked. What do you mean? It really happened? Lax.
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Myron Metcalf
All right, whatever. We will get back. We'll get back to the NCAA tournament. Myron can say more people that he ran into and said what up to? That's all next right here on Sunday Morning on ESPN Radio with Matt Myron. What up, Theo Vaughn, Matt and Myron, the podcast.
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Myron Metcalf
So this is Post Malone, who Myron ran into at the airport. And did you say anything to Post Malone when you ran into him at the airport?
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Matt Jones
Nah, he. He was in sort of a rush, it felt like.
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Myron Metcalf
Was it. Would you. Would you want to have like all those tattoos on your face? No, if he had it to do over again, he wouldn't do that because, like, now that he's such a big star, I would think he would want to have like a face without all those tattoos.
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Matt Jones
Yeah. I mean, you can get away with it as like a rapper or a music star, but for the most part.
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Myron Metcalf
You don't want to be working at Dick's Sporting Fighter.
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Matt Jones
A tattoo on the face is just a lifelong explanation. Right. And I don't know if you want that.
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Myron Metcalf
I feel like it's like you're just asking to forever be the guy with tattoos on his face. Like the hill you have to climb, not just to be the guy with tattoos on his face. Post Malone, I think did it, but like Pete Davidson did again. Welcome to Sunday Mornings with Matt Myron on NCAA tournament weekend. Did you see that Pete Davidson got all of his tattoos taken off? All of them?
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Matt Jones
I think. I think he. I think he said he spent 250, 000 or something like that and said.
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Myron Metcalf
It took two years. So it took two years to get them all off.
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Matt Jones
Yeah.
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Myron Metcalf
I mean, think about that. Like, that's two years and if you seem like they're all gone and he had a ton.
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Matt Jones
Yeah.
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Myron Metcalf
I don't get it. I have to say, I've never really understood tattoos. Do you have a tattoo?
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Matt Jones
Yeah, I got. I got some tattoos, but nothing like you can see like that.
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Myron Metcalf
What do you. Can I ask you, what are your tattoos? Can I ask that?
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Matt Jones
I got different stuff. I got different stuff.
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Myron Metcalf
You gonna tell us or no?
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Matt Jones
I got some names on me. I got some. A few phrases I got some stuff on me, but not that you can like, see.
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Myron Metcalf
Can. I know one phrase I don't think you'd understand.
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Matt Jones
I have a. I have a Marcus Aurelius.
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Myron Metcalf
Okay, give me the phrase. I think I could. What do you mean? I can't understand. You don't think it's theoretically impossible? I don't think people can understand.
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Matt Jones
I don't think people care about my tattoos. But I. Yeah, I have a. Be tolerant. I don't want to talk. It's a Marcus Aurelius quote. And I have my daughter's names. I have some other stuff, but it's not like you can see.
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Myron Metcalf
First of all, I would like to hear your. Be tolerant. But if you don't want to say it, that's fine. I think I would. I do resist being.
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Matt Jones
Offering people grace is essential.
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Myron Metcalf
You act like I wouldn't understand your mark.
- [25:53]
Matt Jones
Do you read Marcus Aurelius? Do you read Marcus Aurelius?
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Myron Metcalf
Not at the beach, but I've read it in my life.
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Matt Jones
Well, I do. Okay. I didn't know if you knew.
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Myron Metcalf
Is it Be tolerant with others and strict with yourself?
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Matt Jones
Yes, yes, yes.
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Myron Metcalf
Okay.
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Matt Jones
I don't.
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Myron Metcalf
Mikey. He thinks I can't understand. Be tolerant with others. No.
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Matt Jones
I didn't know if you were into stoicism. I didn't know you were stoic. I didn't know you were into that. I mean, we stoics are a different breed. That's all. We stoics.
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Myron Metcalf
Okay. All right. I'm gonna get back to sports. I've been petant. You acted like I couldn't understand that phrase.
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Matt Jones
Give me a. I don't know. It's hard to explain. You know, we.
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Myron Metcalf
We philosophical intellectuals speak on a level. Math. That might be difficult for you.
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Matt Jones
I wasn't saying.
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Myron Metcalf
He gets things tattooed on him that are smarter than the things I read.
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Matt Jones
I don't.
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Myron Metcalf
You also said no one's.
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Matt Jones
No one's saying that they read more than you.
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Myron Metcalf
Mad.
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Matt Jones
See, that's how you took it. You took it as me saying that you don't read. I know you read a ton.
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Myron Metcalf
All right, you got frustrated. Marcus Aurelius. I just.
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Matt Jones
He doesn't know. That's the thing.
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Myron Metcalf
You. I think I could handle it. All right, you got. You got frustrated during the last segment because I asked you when you were booking guests. But the reason you got frustrated is because you actually had an Anthony Richardson Daniel Jones hot take you wanted to give. So I'm going to give you the floor, Mr. Stoic, to give your stoicism Anthony Richard Richardson, Daniel Jones take.
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Matt Jones
I think Daniel Jones was promised a starting spot, and I'll tell you why. Minnesota tried to sign him, but he turned Minnesota down. Now, I don't think they were gonna offer him 13 million, but they tried to get him to at least be in Minnesota backup role. I think the vikings told him, J.J. mcCarthy is our starter no matter what. So he was like, yeah, I'm not gonna stick around here. But you don't go to Indianapolis and leave Justin Jefferson and the NFL coach of the year and everything you have with the Vikings to go to the Colts unless, you know you have a shot to be a starter. I think they told him you're going to be our starter, and I think that's why he signed with the Colts. I mean, is Anthony Richardson still there competing? Yes, but I think they made Daniel Jones feel like he has a real chance to be the guy on the first game of the season.
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Myron Metcalf
Well, they should, because Anthony Richardson is not good. So I think giving Daniel Jones that job makes sense to me. You know, I have been negative on the. Anthony Richardson's experience since he was at Florida, and so this is not a surprise to me. And I think Daniel Jones makes some sense. I mean, you know, there. There are moments when Indianapolis looks competitive. If you have a quarterback that is competitive, you can make potentially a push for the playoffs. So I think that would make complete sense. And until the Colts get the person. I mean, I. I don't know anyone in Indianapolis, Myron, that believes Anthony Richardson is the franchise quarterback of the future, like, really believes it. There may be some people that hope it, but do you think there's anybody left that believes that can happen?
- [28:58]
Matt Jones
I think they hope. To your point, he looks the part, but I always think, like, his biggest issue is what you've talked about. Like, if you go back to his senior year of high school, like, I don't know that he's played more than like, 50 games or something like that as a starter. So I think Anthony Richardson's biggest challenge is always he just hasn't played enough football. And I just wonder if he'll get to the point where he's allowed to get.
- [29:23]
Myron Metcalf
Did we lose him there or did you lose me?
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Matt Jones
Did who lose? Who? Am I lost?
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News Anchor
No, you're there, Byron.
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Myron Metcalf
I think I'm right here. I don't know what happened, but go ahead.
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News Anchor
All right, we're back.
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Matt Jones
What did you miss? Did who. Did someone lose me? Did I get lost? What?
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Myron Metcalf
No. You. I think. I think we're here, but. But to to your point, I, I, I think he, you're right. He has not played enough for us to be, to understand whether he's going to be good. And I just don't think he's good enough. I mean, I, I, I never thought he was good enough. He wasn't good enough at Florida. I have never, you know, there's enough guys that come into the draft that had success in college, that don't have success in the pros, that I don't want to risk it on guys who weren't successful in college. I cannot imagine handing my franchise to a guy who was not good in college and saying we think he'll get good in the NFL. I can't imagine that now, that happens less and less nowadays than it used to, but it happened with Anthony Richardson and so I think Daniel Jones switching to him makes perfect sense to me.
- [30:27]
Matt Jones
Yeah, well. And I think we just have become a culture that falls in love with the combine like we love. And you see this before the draft. We love a dude who looks the part, but it's like if you look around the NFL, like how many elite guys completely looked apart. I mean, Lamar Jackson, people thought he had a different skill set. Josh Allen did all that at Wyoming. Even though he had the big Army Mahomes, there were guys drafted over him. So I think we just fall in love with this idea of what a guy could be and not what he is.
- [30:57]
Myron Metcalf
I think that's exactly right. Now, today, eight games all across March Madness for the UConn, probably the one that on paper looks the most exciting. And it is the game that leads it all off at 12:10. Dan Hurley, who by his own admission says he's the best bleeping coach in college basketball, he'll get a chance to show it tonight. Here's what he said about the matchup. We know the quality that we're playing against. Obviously we had a chance to see Florida in some of the cross, cross scouts of watching, you know, Oklahoma, we're.
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News Anchor
Able to see them and, you know, prepare for that.
- [31:34]
Myron Metcalf
But yeah, I mean, you know, I think we're a dangerous team. You know, I think we're a dangerous team because, you know, again, most people.
- [31:40]
News Anchor
Picked us, I think to, you know, to lose the, you know, probably to.
- [31:44]
Myron Metcalf
Lose the first game and I don't think many people will give us a.
- [31:48]
News Anchor
Shot in the second one.
- [31:49]
Myron Metcalf
I just hate when coaches again, I hate when coaches that are successful try to act like they're the little guy. Dan Hurley has won back to back titles. He literally Looked at a referee and said, I'm the best coach in college basketball. Now he's like, well, I think most people picked against this. No, they didn't. Nobody on earth picked Oklahoma over UConn. Oklahoma. I think Yukon was like a three and a half, four and a half point favorite in Vegas. And now he switched it into. Well, I think most people probably didn't pick us. And I mean, what. Now? I will say, I think the number is. What is the number for this game? It's like eight and a half or something. That to me.
- [32:25]
Matt Jones
And a half.
- [32:25]
Myron Metcalf
Nine and a half. That does seem high. But. But he is an underdog here. At the same time, I mean, I wouldn't shock me if with 10 minutes to go, Myron, this game is close.
- [32:40]
Matt Jones
It would shock me only because of the way that Florida is playing. I mean, Florida has just been remarkable, man, that Norfolk State game, and they played. They had 53 points with 3:15 left in the first half, and they literally was scoring a point every 19 seconds. I think Florida just is at a different level. So if you tell me if UConn wins this game, they're on the list of teams that can win a national championship for me, because I think Florida's playing the best basketball in America. But again, Todd golden hasn't done this, and I think that's what Dan Hurley has, the edge.
- [33:15]
Myron Metcalf
No, that's exactly right. I would also say it gave me one of the three or four best moments of the first round, which was the guy who made the layup with his pants falling down and didn't act like it bothered him at all. The Norfolk State player. I mean, he drove down the court, his pants fell down, and he kept going. And then, like, didn't even seem to care about pulling them up. Was like, you know what? This is just what I do. Once it happens, just let it roll. Right?
- [33:41]
Matt Jones
Yeah. Once the pants come down, they just.
- [33:43]
Myron Metcalf
Down.
- [33:44]
Matt Jones
You know, it is what it is.
- [33:48]
Myron Metcalf
Is that your catchphrase? Myron Metcalf's catchphrase? Once the pants are down, they're just down.
- [33:53]
Matt Jones
Is that. Yeah. I mean, what are you gonna do?
- [33:57]
Myron Metcalf
You know what? I think, guys, that needs to be a drop that we use for Myron when he comes in. Once the pants are down, they're just down. We talked a little bit about Duke and Kentucky's game, looking at the others on the slate. You got Alabama, St. Mary's you got Maryland, Colorado State, Iowa State, Ole Miss, Arizona, Oregon, Michigan State, New Mexico. Big favorites in all those. Which one do you think is the most likely to produce kind of a surprising upset?
- [34:22]
Matt Jones
Alabama. St. Mary's could. So Alabama is the fastest team in America. St. Mary's one of the slowest teams in the country. So if Alabama can't run on St. Mary's I think that that could be a fascinating matchup. But I think all these games could be interesting. The Ole Miss look good against North Carolina. Iowa State is shorthanded. I don't think it's gonna be a fun day of basketball.
- [34:43]
Myron Metcalf
I think it'll be a fun day, too. I think it's interesting. The three power matchup start and then at night we haven't had a shocker yet this tournament. A real shocker. I think tonight could give us one. I think when you look at New Mexico, Michigan State or Ole Miss, Iowa State or Colorado State, Maryland, you're saying St. Mary's Alabama. One of those games is going to produce a shocking result because those are good teams, all that have a chance to go the Final Four. One of them's taking an L tonight and we'll have to see which one it was. It is Sunday Morning with Matt Myron, Matt Jones, Myron Metcalf, who says if the pants are on the ground, they're just on the ground. There you go. That's exactly right. And we're going to talk about one of the biggest upsets in the history of sports. One of the biggest upsets to ever happen in sports happened last night and you might not even know it happened. We'll give you the details. That's next right here on Sunday Morning with Mad Matt and Myron.
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Myron Metcalf
It is Sunday morning here. Matt Myron on ESPN Radio, presented by Progressive Insurance. We had arguably one of the biggest upsets in the history of sports, I would say top five in the history of college sports. Yesterday, Gable Stevenson, who, my man, has had an unfortunate run. He left. He left collegiate wrestling to go try to do the wwe. Didn't really work. So then he talked about maybe doing football.
- [37:31]
Matt Jones
Terrible.
- [37:32]
Myron Metcalf
Didn't really work. So then he came back to wrestling. And the one thing everybody agreed is that in Greco Roman wrestling, he was one of the best of all time. So he went for the NCAA championship, sat last night in the heavyweight final, and he was upset 5 to 4 by Oklahoma State's Wyatt Hendrickson. Wyatt Hendrickson transferred from Air Force. He was trailing much of the evening, but he got a takedown at the end. The only takedown Gable Stevenson has allowed all season. Only the second time he'd been taken down his entire career. Wyatt got up, the president was there. Guess he has nothing to do. And Wyatt Hendrickson went over and saluted him. And now he becomes the first Oklahoma State wrestler to win the NCAA title at the heavyweight since 05. And he says it's bigger than the world's Olympics or anything. It's what he says after the win. I think he should at least go to the Worlds before he says that. But it is a pretty stunning thing. I mean, Gable Stevenson, there were people that said he literally might have been the most talented heavyweight wrestler ever in college. And he gets beat in his final college match. What do you make of it, Byron?
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Matt Jones
Yeah, I mean, I've just been paying attention to the wrestling community, and a lot of people, I respect it. And they're saying it's the biggest ever.
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Myron Metcalf
Right. Okay, again, I have to ask you this. Who are the people in the wrestling community that you respect that you know?
- [38:54]
Matt Jones
Well, a lot of people on Twitter, I mean, I'm friends with, like, you know, wrestling guys. Daniel Cormier, listen to him. I've got coaches that I respect at my school. Like, a lot of people are saying this is big. And remember, Gable Stevenson won the Olympics. He was the gold medalist in the same weight class. So this is a unique situation where it's not every day where you get to face at the collegiate level the guy who won the gold medal, Rulon Gardner, I remember, fought a guy named the Russian Bear, I believe, in 2000. Alexander, Carolyn, who was. And people were Saying at the time, that was the greatest upset ever. But Henderson just beat the guy who won the Olympic gold medal in college. So I don't know, man, this feels. Someone compared it to the college kids beating the Dream Team. They said that's what this is.
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Myron Metcalf
That that's the equivalent. Okay, I watched. I saw the, the. The. The takedown. I have to admit, Myron, I have not. No idea what is about in wrestling. I watched it and like, it makes me. Watching so like Greco Roman, amateur wrestling, whatever. Makes me feel so stupid because I was sitting there watching it and to me, like, things I would think are a point or not. And then when that happened, the crowd went crazy because clearly the whole crowd knew what happened and I had no idea what happened. And I was like, all right, well, that's awesome. But I didn't get. Do you understand the rules?
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Matt Jones
No, I had no idea. I mean, I guess it was a takedown, but I don't. I don't necessarily know exactly what that entails. He was up 4:2. Gable was up 4:2. And then the crowd go, like, to your point, the crowd knew.
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Myron Metcalf
The crowd went crazy.
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Matt Jones
They knew what was coming.
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Myron Metcalf
Yeah, they went.
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Matt Jones
Someone can tell us. Can someone explain to us maybe like, what a. Yeah, I just would like.
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Myron Metcalf
Somebody to explain to me just what happened in that four final thing, because people went nuts. So. So there are folks who know wrestling who will say this is the greatest upset of all time. So I wanted to ask you if this is the greatest wrestling upset of all time. I just wanted to go through the sports real quick. What do you think is the greatest, let's say basketball upset of all time is the greatest college basketball upset? Is it Villanova, Georgetown? Is it UMBC over Virginia? What if I were to say to you, is it. Is it Shamanad beating Houston or Virginia many years ago? Like, what do you think of as the greatest upset of all time?
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Matt Jones
I mean, UMBC incredible. Right? Especially Virginia was the top overall seed.
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Myron Metcalf
And they beat him by like 20. Like they were just running them close the court.
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Matt Jones
Yes, it wasn't close. And then obviously, as you mentioned, that Georgetown team was phenomenal, losing an 85 to. To Nova. But Shaman, I was a D2 team. And that Virginia team had Ralph Sampson, I believe. Right. So, I mean, it wasn't regular season game, though. Yeah. But still, I. That. That to me is. Is up there considering who. Who they were playing. But I'd say because of the implications of it, you got to give a Villanova, Georgetown, probably that nod.
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Myron Metcalf
See, I think I would go with George Mason going to the final four.
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Matt Jones
They beat Yukon in the elite.
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Myron Metcalf
Because they beat Yukon and they won all those games along the way. And they beat a Yukon team that most people thought was the best team in the tournament. Right. Like they the best or second best team in the tournament. So I think I would say George Mason making that run to the final four is the biggest one. I know Loyola did it a few years later, but I think that Loyola team was better than that George Mason team was. If you just look at the overall scheme of it. What about in college football? What do you think is the biggest upset ever in college football?
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Matt Jones
Appalachian State, Michigan. I don't think there's anything close.
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Myron Metcalf
I like that.
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Matt Jones
Yeah. When Appalachian State beat Michigan.
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Myron Metcalf
But does it change anything that Michigan team like ended up like 6 and 6 or something at the end of the year?
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Matt Jones
No, because you talk about this always like it wasn't just that the top athletes were above Appalachian State. It's that the third tier guys, you were better than anything Appalachian State had. I mean, there's so much depth in football. So I think that by far was the top upset.
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Myron Metcalf
Yeah, I like that one. I mean, I think some people would say Doug Flutie with Boston College when they threw the Hail Mary, but that's still a power, you know, a power program getting the victory. Appalachian State is a good one because the difference in resources, I mean at the time, Appalachian State is. Is. Is f. BS now. But they weren't then. Right. They were still one double A or whatever it was called back. So. So I do think that's a. That's a huge difference. You know, we had a few years ago, didn't Northern. Well, what about this year, though?
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Matt Jones
What about.
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Myron Metcalf
What about Notre Dame losing this year and still making it to the championship game? Losing the Northern Illinois, a Northern Illinois team that finished like 6 and 6, beating a Notre Dame team that ends up in the championship game. Isn't that kind of up there?
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Matt Jones
That's up there. But to your point, Appalachian State was not even a D1 school in this tier. I mean, they were FCs. So that makes a huge difference to me.
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Myron Metcalf
I would also note in college baseball, a couple times Stony Brook made the College World Series, I think one time, which is a Northeastern school that like it's snowing when baseball starts. And then Coastal Carolina won the College World Series once. Right. I mean, baseball has sometimes these really random things, But Coastal Carolina, I think. I believe I'm correct that the Shannon Clears won the whole thing. Is that right? James Am I, am I right about that?
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Matt Jones
In baseball.
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Myron Metcalf
In baseball, not that long ago, I think eight, nine years ago, I think they won the College World Series. Maybe not since no one's answering me, but Little Jim will just act like it since Gable Stevenson won. We'll put it up there with Appalachian State, umbc, George Mason, and maybe Coastal Carol. There you go. I knew it.
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Matt Jones
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