Hour 3: 30 Seconds or Less

Summary

Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron – Hour 3: 30 Seconds or Less

Hosts: Myron Medcalf & Matt Jones
Date: December 14, 2025
Network: ESPN Radio

Overview

This episode of Matt and Myron kicks off with their lively “King of the Mountain” call-in contest, inviting callers to deliver their boldest takes in 30 seconds or less for sports world bragging rights. The show mixes listener calls with the hosts’ signature banter—debating NFL dynasties, college scandal fallout (notably at Michigan and Notre Dame), and plenty of off-topic riffs, from band names and bowl games to Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce wedding conspiracy theories. The episode closes out with the duo making their expert picks for a packed NFL Sunday.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. King of the Mountain—Caller Hot Takes

[00:51–13:04]

• Lane Kiffin & the Coaching Carousel

  • DJ in San Antonio wins the initial King of the Mountain with a Lane Kiffin/Ole Miss analogy, likening a coach with a reputation for job-hopping to a serial dater—“If you date a girl and all she does is leave the guys all the time, she’s never steady with them...and then you get with her and then she leaves you. Who’s the fool?” (Matt, 02:11)
  • Myron quips, “I’m a Dallas Cowboy fan, so I’m not that stupid...Even if we win out, still gotta win out in the playoffs to get to the Super Bowl—which ain’t gonna happen.” (Myron, 01:44)

• Notre Dame & Bowl Eligibility

  • Jeremy in Michigan sparks debate suggesting Notre Dame should be made bowl-ineligible for pulling their team out of the postseason:
    • “Personally, I say make ’em bowl ineligible for next year...Let the second string, third string, maybe even fourth string people play.” (Jeremy, 03:24)
  • Matt and Myron agree, with Matt calling Notre Dame “a whiny school,” and Myron noting, “It’s not 1963...Rudy’s not playing.” (Matt, 03:52; Myron, 04:25)

• Wild Predictions & Oddball Humor

  • Callers veer from Super Bowl picks (Patriots, Packers, etc.) to an impromptu conversation about botched team name pronunciations (Bengals vs Bangles) leading to:
    • “Between the chili and your pronunciations, it’s all ridiculous.” (Myron, 07:22)
    • “You sound like an announcer at a circus...Come on. Come on. It’s the Cowboys. Come up and let me guess your weight.” (Matt, 05:12)
  • Myron: “Matt called them the Bengals...Everyone I know calls them the Bengals.” (Myron, 08:44)

• Notable Moments

  • Jason in Mississippi serenades the show but gets cut off, leading to debate over letting creative callers have airtime. Myron pushes for looser format (“That dude is perfect for our show,” 11:16).
  • The eventual consensus: Jeremy in Michigan is declared winner, but DJ in San Antonio keeps the King of the Mountain title for the Lane Kiffin rant.

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2. Michigan Coaching Scandal Fallout

[16:12–21:48]

• Myron: “It’s a mess...there’s a criminal element...a web of people impacted...dozens and dozens of people who are going to lose their jobs when a new coach comes in...” (16:12)
• Matt laments Michigan as an academic powerhouse caught in repeated scandals:
  • “At some point, doesn’t the University of Michigan as an institution...have to say, we just can’t keep having these things in athletics?” (17:14)
• Michigan’s “mantra in all this...was, yes, there’s scandal, but we’re going to power through it and show you that we’re still Michigan...And then they ran into a scandal they couldn’t do that with, and it could take everybody down.” (Myron, 17:50)
• Discussion turns to Michigan’s AD, Ward Manuel, and whether he should lead the coach hire after presiding over a litany of issues.

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3. Who Follows a Legend? Coach Succession Debates

[18:51–21:48]

• Kaylin DeBoer (Alabama) as a possible Michigan target:

  • Both agree Michigan might offer a better “rebuilding” opportunity than the unrelenting pressure of Alabama post-Saban.
  • Myron: “In the decade after John Wooden retired at UCLA, that school went through four coaches.” (19:26)
  • Matt lists rare coaching transitions that worked (e.g., Joby Hall after Rupp at Kentucky).

• Matt: Compares the difficulty of the SEC to the top-heavy Big Ten, giving Michigan an edge for a coach seeking a manageable challenge.

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4. NFL Dynasties & The Chiefs Era Winds Down

[26:10–28:24]

• With the Chiefs facing a must-win to keep playoff hopes alive, Matt muses on their legacy:
  • “Except for the Patriots, I’m not sure you’ve had a consistent seven straight years in the conference championships. Five out of seven Super Bowls, three Super Bowl wins. It’s definitely one of the five best dynasties. Are you sad to see it end?” (Matt, 26:44)
• Myron tempers nostalgia: “I mean, I don’t know what ending means. Mahomes is barely 30...it’ll look different, but I think they’ll be able to put more talent around.” (Myron, 26:54)

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5. Travis Kelce–Taylor Swift Wedding Conspiracy

[28:29–30:54]

• Rumor: Travis Kelce & Taylor Swift’s possible June 13th wedding in Rhode Island. Myron is skeptical:
  • “I think it’s a fake date, a fake venue, and a fake invitation...They’re going to make everybody think that’s where they’re getting married...and then it’s going to be a Netflix Hulu special.” (Myron, 29:13)
  • Matt wonders if Myron would keep it secret if invited: “But you do think he’s done. You do think, like, he’s finished?” (Matt, 30:54)
• Both agree Kelce’s post-NFL career options are limitless: “He can do whatever he wants.” (Matt, 31:08)

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6. NFL Sunday Matchups & Picks

[37:25–44:16]

A rapid-fire back-and-forth of predictions, with short analysis for each game, including:

• Bills at Patriots

  • Myron: “Patriots are the best team in the AFC right now. Patriots win.” (37:44)
  • Matt: “Give me Josh Allen...I’ll take the Bills.” (38:00)

• Ravens at Bengals

  • Myron: “Give me the Bengals in this one.” (38:16)
  • Matt: “I’m taking the Ravens to win on the road.” (38:27)

• Lions at Rams

  • Myron: “Rams are the best team in the NFL right now.” (42:37)
  • Matt: “I actually kind of believe in the Rams...give me the Rams.” (42:53)

• ...and more games, interspersed with typical wit:

  • On Giants vs Commanders: “This is kind of a game you just skip.” (Matt, 40:16)
  • On Philip Rivers’ staying power: “Does Philip Rivers finish the game?” (41:33) “No.” (Myron)

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7. Show Closes with Good-Natured Studio Banter

[35:06–37:25; 44:42–end]

• ESPN staff “skeptics” question whether Matt and Myron can deliver for the upcoming New Orleans Bowl. Both hosts promise to make it “the most fun New Orleans bowl ever.”
• Tongue-in-cheek about sports media’s “bless your heart” attitude and joke references to obscure stats for their potential play-by-play.
• Myron: “We get the sports version of bless your heart.” (35:54)
• Good vibes as they preview the NFL day: “This is one of those days that in the cold, you just stay inside, wear your beanie, and enjoy the football.” (Matt, 44:42)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Lane Kiffin’s reputation:
  Matt (02:11): “If you date a girl and all she does is leave the guys all the time, she’s never steady with them...and then you get with her and then she leaves you. Who’s the fool?”
• On Notre Dame drama:
  Matt (03:52): “Notre Dame...whiny school with 80 going around and going, ‘You broke our hearts by not putting us in the playoffs.’ And you know what? Hush.”
• Pronunciation debates:
  Matt (08:20): “So you’re telling me the band...is pronounced the same as B, E [as in Bengals]?” Myron (08:44): “Matt called them the Bengals...Everyone I know calls them the Bengals.”
• Taylor Swift/Kelce conspiracy:
  Myron (29:13): “I think it’s a fake date, a fake venue, and a fake invitation...it’s going to be a Netflix, Hulu special.”
• NFL dynasties:
  Matt (26:44): “Except for the Patriots, I’m not sure you’ve had a consistent seven straight years in the conference championships...It’s definitely one of the five best dynasties.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| MM:SS | Segment | | ----------- | -------------------------------------------------------- | | 00:51–13:04 | King of the Mountain – Best Callers & Wild Takes | | 16:12–21:48 | Michigan Coaching Scandal & College Football Fallout | | 26:10–28:24 | Chiefs Dynasty Retrospective & NFL Dynasties | | 28:29–30:54 | Travis Kelce/Taylor Swift Wedding Speculation | | 31:43–44:16 | NFL Sunday Full Game Picks | | 35:06–37:25 | Behind-the-scenes Banter & Bowl Game Preview | | 44:42–end | Wrap-up and NFL Day Preview |

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Tone and Language

The episode is loose, irreverent, and packed with back-and-forth ribbing—exactly what listeners expect from Matt and Myron. Both are unfiltered but insightful, blending humor with sharp analysis. No subject—whether NFL dynasties or the pronunciation of “Bengals”—is too trivial for a passionate, playful debate.

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Summary Use:
This recap gives a complete, lively snapshot of the hour’s sports storytelling, debate, and wit—perfect for anyone who missed the live broadcast or wants the best moments and analysis at a glance.

Transcript

[Matt]

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[Myron]

This is Matt and Myron, the podcast.

[Matt]

This is Chamber the Matt Myron Metcalf theme. This is Tyler Childers, which, if you listen to the beginning of the show, Myron said he never heard. Even though this has been our theme song since September, it's a little disappointing, I have to say. I've been telling you about this dude for. They're playing Wu Tang.

[Myron]

They play Wu Tang always when it comes.

[Matt]

They play both. They play both. It is Matt Myron on ESPN Radio, presented by Progressive Insurance. 888, say ESPN. Remember, our double header starts. Well, some station starts now. The rest of it starts at 1. Browns and Bears at 1 o'. Clock, Lions and Rams at 425. It is now time for this segment we love, where you all call and try to be caller of the day. It is time for King of the Mountain.

[Myron]

Call now with your hottest taste. Hello. And then Matt and Myron will announce the hottest of destiny going to be fulfilled.

[Matt]

My destiny awakens. This is the King of the Mountain champion.

[Myron]

The King of the Mountain.

[Matt]

Ladies and gentlemen, your winner and new King of the Mountain DJ in San Antonio. Go, dj.

[Myron]

Let me tell you something. First of all, I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan, so I'm not that stupid.

[Matt]

But even if we do win out.

[Myron]

We still gotta win out in the playoffs to get to the super bowl, which ain't gonna happen. But the real thing I'm talking about is Lane Kinsman. Why don't y' all just leave the man alone?

[Matt]

He got Ole Miss to this point, all right?

[Myron]

I'm not even an Ole Miss fan or Lane Kitchen fan. If you date a girl and all she does is leave the guys all the time, she's never steady with them.

[Matt]

And then you get with her and then she leaves you. Who's the fool? I mean, it's a good point, to be fair. So that is our. That is our current King of the Mountains. Somebody can try to knock him off. So let's get started. Juan in Texas. Juan, let's get it going. What do you got? Yes. Thank you so much. First of all, I just Want to.

[Myron]

Say sorry, Bill fans, sorry, Detroit Lions fans. Anybody who's been waiting for the rest.

[Matt]

Of the league to fall off so they can finally get to the super.

[Myron]

Bowl and be champions is not happening.

[Matt]

There will be a new champion.

[Myron]

Yes, it. You know, the Patriots have been there.

[Matt]

Before, but the Patriots will win the.

[Myron]

Super bowl this year. And here's my thing.

[Matt]

The most electric player in the NFL, unfortunately, he got hurt. Is my boy. Scatter. Boo. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot.

[Myron]

There's a lot too much happening.

[Matt]

First of all, 30 seconds. Probably need one theme. Probably need to have some background evidence. You can't just say we're going to win. You got to give me reasons why. So, I mean, it wasn't an effort, but I don't think a great one. Let's go to Jeremy in Michigan. Go, Jeremy.

[Myron]

So Notre Dame needs to be punished for pulling their team out of the bowl season. Personally, I say make a bowl ineligible for next year. Because look at this. You go into bowl season, you don't want to have your main people play. Let the second string, third string, maybe even fourth string people play. They've been sitting on the sidelines most of the year. Give them a chance to play. Give them a chance to have fun.

[Matt]

You want to pull your team out.

[Myron]

Because of petty reasons or just to try to protest for things. You don't deserve to be in a bowl season for next year.

[Matt]

I'm with you, actually. I actually agree with most of what he says there. Notre Dame, bunch of whiny players were white. Not players, but whiny school with 80 going around and going. You broke our hearts by not putting us in the playoffs. And you know what? Hush. I'm with him. Give them a one year. But have you seen their schedule next year? They basically play Evan and Rachel. That's who they play in next year in football. It is absurd. And they're going to now make the playoff and get rewarded for not playing this year. I hate it. I'm with the guy.

[Myron]

Yeah. You know, I don't like that they pulled out of the bowl game. I don't think their respond was very. Response was very professional. There was some childish elements. I mean, I think the one thing that I think Notre Dame is learning is that it's not 1963. You know, whenever Newt Rockney played, Rudy's not playing. Like, I don't think they have the same prestige as they once did, especially being an independent team. I hate the way that the committee decided on Miami getting in over them. But Miami did beat him head to head.

[Matt]

Yeah. Let's go to Scott. Minnesota. Go Scott.

[Myron]

I'm talking about Green Bay packers winning.

[Matt]

The super bowl with Josh Jacobs as running back.

[Myron]

Jordan Love is a great quarterback right.

[Matt]

Now, just coming into his own.

[Myron]

And of course, the great Micah Parsons, who we got from the Cowboys, will.

[Matt]

Beat him in the playoffs. Thank you very much. You sound a little bit like an announcer at a circus.

[Myron]

Come one. Come on.

[Matt]

It is the Cowboys. Come up and let me guess your weight. It's the Ringling Brothers, the elephants big shoe here tonight.

[Myron]

It said he was supposed to talk about boxing.

[Matt]

Like what? Yeah, he did. He did talk about boxing. Got really excited because, you know, in eight years, you want to know how many show calls we've got about boxing? None.

[Myron]

That one, there's never been. That was our one.

[Matt]

There's never been one call about boxing. And Myron got really excited.

[Myron]

I was. Well, I thought he was gonna ask about the Jake Paul fight this Friday. The Jake Paul.

[Matt]

Oh, Jake Paul fights Friday.

[Myron]

Oh, he's fighting a real dude, a real former chip. Like. He's fighting like a serious. He took the dumbest fighters of his career to try to prove a point. He's going to get knocked out, but.

[Matt]

All right, Jim in Montana. Go, Jim.

[Myron]

Yeah. Let me qualify this. I'm a Georgia Bulldog, so I'm a Stafford fan from when he was at my school. I think you're missing a golden opportunity not to compare Burroughs right now to where Stafford was when he was at the Lions with that totally inept Ford Motor Company management there. And you see where Stafford is today. He's your headline boy.

[Matt]

Thank you for Motor Company. Wow. Well, the Bills, I mean, the Bengals have made the Super Bowl, Myron. So it's not like. It's not like with Stafford in LA where or Detroit where they had no success. I mean, the Bengals have been to the Super Bowl.

[Myron]

Yeah. The hard thing about the the Bengals is we just haven't seen burrow healthy consistently. I mean, that's been their story more than anything.

[Matt]

The hard thing about what team?

[Myron]

The Bengals.

[Matt]

Bengals. It's not Bangles.

[Myron]

That's Bingo is a game that people like to play.

[Matt]

Bingo, Bingles. It's not Bangles like. Like walk like an Egyptian. It is Bengals.

[Myron]

It is not a meet some people outside of y' all little three block radius y' all live in.

[Matt]

Who lives in Cincinnati, me or you?

[Myron]

But that's the. Between the chili and your pronunciations, it's all ridiculous. That's the reality. I don't want Your chili. And I'm not saying Bangles or whatever.

[Matt]

So you're telling me the band, which is ba, is pronounced the same as B, E.

[Myron]

What we talking about? Bangle. What. What band?

[Matt]

There's a band called the Bengals. You're listening.

[Myron]

I didn't know that.

[Matt]

Right now. You've never heard this song, Walk like an Egyptian? It was.

[Myron]

I didn't know it was the Bengals. I don't know who's in it.

[Matt]

The Bangles. And you're pronouncing the football team, which is be the same way you are the band.

[Myron]

Here's the challenge at espn, you all think we grew up with the same playlist. Okay. My parents was Anita Baker and Tina Turner and the Isley Brothers.

[Matt]

It was just. I understand.

[Myron]

It was also a different radio station. I understand.

[Matt]

But if I walk in and say isley Brothers, you're gonna be like, no, it's not.

[Myron]

That'd be a problem. I wouldn't recommend it.

[Matt]

Okay, so don't go around and calling the Cincinnati Bengals. The Bengals. It's not the Bengals. That would literally be like calling the Buffalo Bills the Bulls. Like. Like, that's. You literally change the letter. Like, this isn't a. I've never heard.

[Myron]

Anyone call it the Bengals until Matt.

[Matt]

No one has.

[Myron]

Until Matt called them the Bengals.

[Matt]

Like, you sound Matt.

[Myron]

Everyone I know calls them the Bengals.

[Matt]

When I moved up to New England, they say the Bengals. And I've been having this fight since I moved here because I say Bengals like you do Bangles.

[Myron]

Everybody's like, I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it. The Cincinnati Bengals. Is that what y' all want? Let's just say it every time, just.

[Matt]

Just to kind of mix it up. If the Bengals were to move to the city where Pat Kelsey is the coach, what would their name be?

[Myron]

The Lava Bengals. Louisville. Louisville. Bingos. Let's go to Bingo.

[Matt]

Let's go to Adam and Indy. Go ahead, Adam. Adam's gone. Let's go to Andrew in la. Go, Andrew. What's up, guys? I don't want to hear anybody crying about the Dodgers. Give me Edwin Diaz. Give me school ball. We're the new age Yankees and we're going to three peat. Let's go. I appreciate the excitement. No real argument there. Do you. Do you. Do you get upset that the Dodgers are taking all the players?

[Myron]

Yes. As a Brewers fan. Yes. It's not fair. Baseball's not giving me an incentive to care about the teams that aren't spinning the way that the Dodgers And Yankees are.

[Matt]

I'm very mad, by the way, at my Reds. Kyle Schwaber was there for the taking. Like, he was there. Yeah, just go get it. He's from Cincinnati. He knows how to pronounce Bengals. He likes chili. Like, why did they not get him? Why did they let him go back to Philly? I don't like it. Jason in Mississippi. Go. Jason dreaming. Then I wake up and have another bowl of protein again, thinking, maybe I'll.

[Myron]

Make a butter out of people.

[Matt]

Please. I appreciate the call. I appreciate the call. Part of the reason I asked my producers not to put the topic on the air is because Jason in Mississippi, next to him, it says golfing, and he did a Pearl Jam in Persia, which I actually don't mind about Bryson, but I was. I was expecting. Oh, that was a Bryson DeChambeau. You couldn't tell Bryson you cut him off before he said it again?

[Myron]

Yeah, he was going somewhere.

[Matt]

Yeah. Well, maybe I should. I felt like this is national radio. We should not just let a man sing for you.

[Myron]

Said national radio. Like, we have this buttoned up show that everybody comes to to hear about us, talk about, to pontificate about sports. Nobody does that. That dude is perfect for our show.

[Matt]

That's all right.

[Myron]

Have him call back Evan. Tell him to call back. Have that dude call back, and we're gonna give him a chance to do his one more. This is our show. Let him do it. Let him do it. Is he on?

[Matt]

Evan, I'm out voting. You go. Phil and Indy, go. Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call.

[Myron]

So hot.

[Matt]

Okay. Without stepping on the floor one time.

[Myron]

This season, Tyrese Halliburton should win the.

[Matt]

NBA MVP based on the struggles of.

[Myron]

The Pacers and the dominance of the country. That's what you want, Matt? That's what you want? You want this dude over the dude who sang a song about Bryson DeChambeau. You want to do saying Tyrese Halliburton, who's at the WWE events every week, he should be MVP over the dude that we cut off who had a song. That's not our show, man.

[Matt]

He didn't have.

[Myron]

That dude's our show. Not this dude.

[Matt]

All right, so I think our winner for today, although you don't have the people up that Evan took off, the names of the people that were doing it. I think it's gonna be hard for me to pick a winner when I have none of the names of the people that call.

[Myron]

It's Jason in Mississippi.

[Matt]

No, it's not Jason in Mississippi.

[Myron]

No, it's the dude who did guy.

[Matt]

Who called about Notre Dame, Jeremy and Michigan.

[Myron]

Yeah, Notre Dame guy.

[Matt]

The guy who called about Notre Dame, Jeremy in Michigan who said that Notre Dame should not be allowed to win a bowl. He's my winner for today. Would you take him or do we leave the guy with the Lane Kiffin rant?

[Myron]

I think the Lane Kiffin rant is better.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Myron]

I do think Jason in Mississippi deserved another chance. I will say that. Jason, I was in your corner. Matt vetoed that on a two person show. I don't know that happens, but that's what he decided to do.

[Matt]

1.1 votes on the callers. All right, so I'm gonna agree with you. We will keep our Lane Kiffin guys our king of the mountain. But Jeremy in Michigan is our today winner. And thank you very much to all who called. Well, at least most of you. We'll get back to the games and we will talk a little bit about the awful story at Michigan as well. That's next here on Matt and Myron on ESPN Radio.

[Myron]

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[Myron]

Yeah, I mean, it's a mess, right? It just kept getting worse by the day. There's obviously a criminal element. I've seen a lot of people joking. I don't think you can joke when there are so many factors that haven't even played out yet. I will say when you see someone who has so much take those risks and lose it all, that's always disappointing. I mean, it's not just him that he affected. There are a lot of other folks who have been impacted by this. Like, it made me realize, Matt, that a lot of people don't work in college sports. And you know this, people think if a coach gets fired or removed, okay, they move, he moved, they move on from him and then everybody else gets to keep their jobs. There are dozens and dozens of people who are going to lose their jobs when a new coach comes in and replaces them. So I just think the, the web of people impacted by this is. It's just really disappointing. And I think if you're ward manual, this is why you hire ads. And although he may not have known what Sharon Moore was or what he was doing behind the scenes, the idea is that you're supposed to run a program that doesn't have. I mean, they've had a lot of.

[Matt]

Stuff in the last few years. Like they've had a lot of stuff. It Is not. I mean, Michigan. A lot of people don't think about this. Michigan is like a really good academic school. It's probably one of the five best public university academic schools in America. I mean, it's probably what uva, Michigan, Cow. I mean, you know, there's just a handful, and he's just had one situation like this after another. At some point, doesn't the University of Michigan as an institution, as a larger institution have to say, we just can't keep having these things in athletics?

[Myron]

Yeah, but anytime you bring out an outside firm to investigate your entire athletics program, that's probably a bad sign for the ad. I will say Michigan's mantra in all this, Matt, was, yes, there's scandal, but we're going to power through it and show you that we're still Michigan. They. They essentially looked at people and said, oh, you think Harbaugh? We're supposed to get upset about this Connor Stallion thing. They essentially told everybody, we're Michigan. You're not going to stop us. You're not going to tell us what to do. Even though these public scandals are happening, happening. And then they ran into a scandal that they couldn't do that with, and it could take everybody down. So I think Ward Mayo's in a spot where I don't know how you can let him be the guy who hires the next coach when he's been attached to these scandals. No, he didn't know what Jerome or was doing, to our knowledge. But that's the whole job of an ad. You've dealt with that in Kentucky with Mitch Barnard. Sometimes these ads go, well, what do you want me to do? I want you to have a stable program. I want you to hire the right people. That's the whole job in situations like this.

[Matt]

All right, so now the question is, what's next? A lot of people are saying Kaylin DeBoer from Alabama makes. Makes some sense. You know, he's got a playoff game coming up against Oklahoma Friday night, that if he doesn't win, there's a lot of Alabama fans that would prefer he not be the coach, which is kind of. Yeah, I mean, it's not crazy. Like, you don't ever want to be the dude that replaces a legend because it rarely works. Would it make sense to you to leave Alabama and end up at Michigan and try again with another elite program?

[Myron]

1,000%. In the decade after John Wooden retired at UCLA, that school went through four coaches. I mean, everybody who tried to follow him, even those who won big, it just didn't live up to what the fan base wanted. I think if you. Caleb DeBoer, you can go to Michigan. A different standard in terms of what people expect. Every year you'd be coming in after scandal. You could come in as sort of the savior. You couldn't do that in Alabama. You were supposed to come in as.

[Matt]

The Prince coaches of elite programs. Have you seen a legend retire and the guy that followed up? It went really well. Like, really well. There have been a few where it's gone pretty well, like Kentucky basketball. RUP leaves, you get Joby hall, he has some success. Patino leaves, you get Tubby Smith, he has some success. But then you mentioned the UCLA thing, Matt DY at North Carolina. We'll see what happens with John Chart. Duke, you know, Bill Self has had a lot of success after Roy Williams, but Roy wasn't quite the legend like these other guys were. In football, there's a million examples of it not working. It's just tough to follow a legend.

[Myron]

No, it really is. I mean, there were gaps, I think, between Bobby Bowden and Jimbo. If I'm not mistaken, Urban Meyer shows up at Florida. I mean, so sometimes you have some schools that get it right, you know, but it usually takes them a couple of tries. If you're Kaylin DeBoer, the thing that will never change is you're going to be in the toughest league in America, and the expectation is going to be that you somehow find your way through that and win a national championship. At Michigan, you got one big enemy, if you will, in Ohio State that you have to contend with. I think Michigan is a much better opportunity, and he could come in as the guy who rebuilds something that'll never happen at Alabama.

[Matt]

This is a controversial thing to say now, but I don't think it should be at the top. The Big Ten is as good and in the last couple of years, maybe better than the SEC. But what makes the SEC a hard job is the middle. Okay, is teams four through 12, because they all can beat you. And they. And so when you're Alabama, you have six or seven hard, hard games a year, whereas at Michigan you have two or three. So I actually am with you. I think Michigan is not a better job, but it's a job for Kaylin DeBoer that it would make sense to go to.

[Myron]

Should they offer it to him? I mean, if you're Michigan, is that.

[Matt]

Your first, first call? I don't know if you have to wait till Friday, but why not? The portal doesn't open till January 2nd. So you've already missed signing day. Signing days. The first. You've already missed that. So I think you wait, see what happens Friday, and then offer it to Caleb DeBoer. We're 30 minutes away from kickoff. In the NFL, there's only one early game that changes everything in the afc, we will deal with it. That's next here on Matt Myron on espn.

[Myron]

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Oh, this is good. Is this. Is this all for one or is this 98 degrees?

[Myron]

98 degrees.

[Matt]

Okay. They were all handsome. You know Nick Lachey. I'm not gonna say we're good friends, but like, he's. He's. He's a pal. How about that?

[Myron]

How. What do you mean he's a pal?

[Matt]

He's From Cincinnati, goes to a lot of Cincinnati sport events. We have a mutual friend. I've sat next to him in a couple Cincinnati sport. I mean let me, I'm not exaggerating. It's not like Nick Lachey and I like hang out but like I know him acquaintances.

[Myron]

I watch all the shows.

[Matt]

That's a good way to say he might like if you said to him, Matt Jones, espn, ksr, he might know who I am. He might not. But we, but like I feel like he might.

[Myron]

Do you watch Love is Blind and like the shows him and his wife host.

[Matt]

I watched the one with the very famous one with him and was it Jessica Simpson?

[Myron]

Yeah, but they've got a dating show. Him and his wife.

[Matt]

What's his wife's name now.

[Myron]

She'S on season like all the CSIs. She's an actress. Yeah, I don't know but they host a lot of dating shows on that.

[Matt]

I didn't get invited to the wedding so maybe we're not that close. It's Matt myron here on ESPN radio. Dr. Pepper call in line is 888 say ESPN. We're presented by Progressive Insurance. Not only does Progressive let you bundle your insurance, they also give you round the clock protection. Quote [e-mail] they've announced Trent McDuffie is inactive for the Chiefs today at quarterback. But the Chiefs still need to win. I mean winning may not be enough. They, they, they play the Chargers, they still only have a 12% chance to win or to make the playoffs according to ESPN Analytics. But if they lose today, they have a 0% chance play the Chargers. Their last three games are actually very winnable. So this is kind of a, you know, if you want to have any chance at all, you have to win this. But I'm going to go ahead and assume that win or lose, the Chiefs dynasty may be over. Are you sad? I mean if you're looking at NFL dynasties, I think you could argue what are the NFL dynasties. Okay, obviously the Patriots had one. There's a little mini three or four year cowboy one in the 90s, but not mid 90s.

[Myron]

Cowboys were, yeah, three or four or five years.

[Matt]

I mean this is seven years for the Chiefs. You can go back to the Steelers where they kind of were in it forever.

[Myron]

70S.

[Matt]

Go back to the packers back in.

[Myron]

The niners in the 80s.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, but I, but I'm not sure there have been. Except for the Patriots. I'm not sure you've had a consistent seven straight years in the conference championships. Five out of seven Super Bowls, three Super bowl wins. It's definitely one of the five best dynasties. Are you sad to see it end?

[Myron]

I'm not sad. I mean, I don't know what ending means with Mahomes is barely 30. Right. So I think it'll look different, but I think they'll be able to put more talent around.

[Matt]

This version is ending. I mean, this version.

[Myron]

This version is. Yeah, it's been a good run. I think Kansas City did it in a more competitive era than the way New England started. Although you can't take anything away from Brady because he won in this era, too. But I think it just shows how hard it is to hang on and how hard it is to just stay on top in today's NFL climate.

[Matt]

Yeah, I mean, last year, it felt like they were hanging by a thread. You know what I mean? But the fact that should have lost.

[Myron]

A lot of games, that they. That they got lucky, but the fact.

[Matt]

That they hung by a thread and still made the super bowl, in some ways, Myron made me think, well, they're always going to, like. Like, they're always going to get it done. They're never going to not get it done. And then it caught up to him. This year, there's a good chance Travis Kelsey is done. Do you think part of the reason we. We say this era is over is that we kind of associate him with that? Yeah.

[Myron]

And I think once he's gone, you got to wonder what this team looks like. You know, does. How long does Chris Jones. How long is he a member of this team? And then I think Andy Reid's the other. I mean, he's trying to chase history. But does Andy Reid want to do this with an entirely new group of players? So this version over. But I think unlike the Patriots and Brady, like, when they got to the end of theirs, there was a lot of bad blood and there was a lot of, like, you know, things happening behind the scenes. I don't think you have that in Kansas City, but they do have to rebuild, I think, and it's going to be a different version.

[Matt]

Where are you going to be on June 3rd, 13th?

[Myron]

It's a week before my birthday, so I. I don't.

[Matt]

But do you know what's happening on June 13th?

[Myron]

No, that's the wedding.

[Matt]

That's. That's the wedding.

[Myron]

Is that official? Because I don't know that they've announced that.

[Matt]

Allegedly.

[Myron]

I don't think they've announced that. I think someone said allegedly.

[Matt]

Why would they. Why would they give.

[Myron]

I'll Give you my conspiracy theory. You want my conspiracy theory?

[Matt]

Is it going to be that they want to do it the day before Juneteenth?

[Myron]

No. That was. No. My conspiracy theory.

[Matt]

Think of. That's in mid June. And if you think.

[Myron]

I think Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey even know what Juneteenth is.

[Matt]

Well, they may not. That's a fair point. Yes.

[Myron]

I think it's a fake date, a fake venue, and a fake invitation. I think they're putting up the smoke signals. They're going to make everybody think that's where they're getting married. I think they're going to get married before that. It's going to be filmed in a private place.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Myron]

And no one's going to know it. And then it's going to be a Netflix Hulu special, something like that. There's. I don't think they would ever put their date out, but, like, there's no.

[Matt]

Unless they just get married with no people. It's going to leak. Right.

[Myron]

Listen. Do you know these stars don't. Listen.

[Matt]

I.

[Myron]

People talk about going to, like, a Beyonce party and you got to get a special invitation the day of and then go to a parking lot and a limo pic. I don't think there's any world where Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift give the general public that kind of information six months in advance. I think it's all a smoke signal and they're throwing people off the scent.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Myron]

And no way they get married there. It's all.

[Matt]

So that's your conspiracy theory. So you don't think conspiracy theory in Rhode island at that thing?

[Myron]

I think it's all. I think the people who know know that that's not where they're getting married. Show me somebody who's come out and said, I'm looking forward to the wedding in Rhode Island. Not one person.

[Matt]

But then they might not get invited if they say that.

[Myron]

Because. Because it's all. They're not getting married in Rhode Island. It's all fake. They're getting married somewhere else.

[Matt]

All right. You don't think you're going to get invited? It feels like you're a big enough star. No.

[Myron]

And I don't.

[Matt]

You know, would it be fun or maybe. Wait a minute.

[Myron]

It feels like it would be a.

[Matt]

Lot if you were invited. You wouldn't tell us. Cause you don't want us to know where it is. Right. Like, that's. But that would be.

[Myron]

It's gonna be a lot to go to that wedding, Matt. It's gonna be a lot. The security at that Wedding is gonna be intense.

[Matt]

But you do think he's done. You do think like he's, he's finished? I think yes.

[Myron]

And you know we talked about offline about you know, post NFL careers. He may have one of the better post NFL.

[Matt]

He can do whatever he wants.

[Myron]

Careers.

[Matt]

He can do whatever ever. Yeah. Whatever he wants. He, maybe he doesn't wan. But he can do whatever it is he wants. He'll be able to do. Packers, Broncos. You think this could be a Super bowl prediction?

[Myron]

Could be. It could be. Jordan Loves played great in recent weeks. You have a Broncos team that quietly, you know, has been on an incredible run. But again it's weird between New England and Denver people still don't believe and then mostly because I think they have young quarterbacks. But you also have a team in Green Bay that people are saying, well, we know how bad things can get with Jordan Love. I think today is a huge test. The way that Denver blitzes those blitz packages. They just send so many guys at you, constant pressure. If Jordan Love handles that well and the packers win, I think you put them right there with the Rams. In terms of teams in the NFC.

[Matt]

For Denver, I think part of it is because they've had to win so many close games, right. I mean I think part of it is it feels like they could have lost three or four. But you know, we said the same thing about Kansas City last year and then they end up making the Super Bowl. So.

[Myron]

Skill, right? It was a skill when Kansas City did it. Close wins were a skill when Kansas City did it. When Denver is doing it's like, well, they should be.

[Matt]

I think it's because people don't believe. They don't believe in Bo Nicks, right? Like they don't believe in Bo Nicks. And because you don't believe in Bo Nicks you have. No, I don't. I don't believe in Bonix. But I will acknowledge I've been a Bonick skeptic since college. Okay. Because I probably going back to when he was at Auburn. All right? So I, maybe I just need to get over it, right? Maybe I need to like if they win today, okay, if they win today, I do think you have to say, okay, how many contending teams, how many super bowl contenders do they have to beat before you start believing in them?

[Myron]

But that's the thing is the AFC who really scares you. People don't believe in Denver, New England and those could be your one and two seats.

[Matt]

I have to tell you, I don't know if I believe in anyone in the NFL. I'm not sure that I think any of the teams are great. Do you believe in anyone?

[Myron]

I think if you just show me on paper and get away from this obsession with Kansas City's demise and whatever's happening in Baltimore and all the challenges that Josh Allen's team has had. If you just look on paper, the Patriots are an incredible team and so are the Broncos. Like, those are two really good teams. And I think in the nfc, the Rams are at the top. The Rams are the packers have a chance to be right there.

[Matt]

They're the ones.

[Myron]

Rams are believable.

[Matt]

They're kind of the one that they're my Super bowl favorite today. 888 say ESPN. It is now time to make our picks. We will let you know who's going to win every game. Full slate. This is the day with the most games for the rest of the year because we start Saturday games and stuff next week. So we got to go through a lot of them. We'll do it next here on Take a Pick on espn.

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It is Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio. I think Snoop was doing this from New Orleans back in the day. Byron and I will be December 23rd calling the New Orleans bowl here on ESPN Radio. There are skeptics out there, Myron, who are not convinced you and I could do this. And by the skeptics, I mean two of the people in the studio that are working with us right now. They don't know that you and I are set for a play by play color commentating bowl game. But we got Western Kentucky, Southern Miss on December 23rd at 5:30pm and I hope people will tune in because we're going to make that the most Fun New Orleans bowl ever.

[Myron]

Yeah, I think there are definitely questions. Like when I mentioned the ESPN people, they go, oh, really? You know what I mean? Like, it's like the sports media version of oh, ain't that precious? Right?

[Matt]

Oh, yes. Bless your heart.

[Myron]

Yes.

[Matt]

Right.

[Myron]

Bless your heart. That's what. Yes, the bless your heart.

[Matt]

There's a little bit.

[Myron]

We get the sports version of bless your heart.

[Matt]

But that's all right, though, because it's going to be good. You know, it's the 25th anniversary of the New Orleans bowl, man, I'm just.

[Myron]

Looking forward to the gear and, like, the extras and stuff. That's what I.

[Matt]

It's going to be fun. And Evan, free gumbo, our weekend boss. I know you don't believe in us, but we're going to. We're.

[Myron]

Evan believes in us.

[Matt]

Evan, do you believe in us? Absolutely. It sounded like we need to believe in us.

[Myron]

Yeah, you don't need.

[Matt]

Sorry.

[Myron]

Like, anytime we're asking everybody for a pep talk, that's not a good sign either.

[Matt]

Language. I've been to Bowling Green and Hattiesburg, Mississippi, multiple times. So I can talk about. I know these. These cities and these universities, for instance. Let me give you a topic. I can bring this up during the game. Evan, what do you think about this? Did you know Bowling Green, Kentucky has more people per capita on Ozempic than any other city in America?

[Myron]

Where do you even find out something like that?

[Matt]

I don't know. I ran it one time, you know.

[Myron]

You know, on the game broadcast.

[Matt]

You have to run all of that stuff by ESPN Research, right? They can research it. I'll send them the link. Make sure you follow that.

[Myron]

By ESPN Research.

[Matt]

This isn't a talk show where they just let you say whatever you want. Well, I'm just. All right, I'll say.

[Myron]

Can I give my thoughts on Brett Favre? Evan, is that allowed ESPN Radio? If you're going to buy Progressive Insurance, let's get.

[Matt]

Take your pick. It is time to take your pick.

[Myron]

Take your pick.

[Matt]

You take your pick. It's time to take your pick with Matt and Myron. Oh, Zimbic and Brett Farm. That's gonna be the game. What's up first?

[Myron]

Bills at Patriots.

[Matt]

It's gonna be a great one, Myron. I'm kind of all over the place on this. What about you again?

[Myron]

Weird to me. The Bills are still favorite after they lost the game and Week 5 and the Patriots have gotten better since then. I think the Patriots win this game. They just been better everywhere. The Bills and some of the turnover issues. And I just think the Patriots are the best team in the AFC right now. Patriots win this game.

[Matt]

Big game. Give me Josh Allen. At the end of the day, I'm gonna bet on him until he loses one of these. I'll take Josh Allen and the Bills. What's next?

[Myron]

Ravens at Bengals. Myron, I don't know what's wrong with Lamar Jackson. Hasn't been Lamar Jackson for four or five weeks. I don't know if it's a health thing. And then the turnovers just make the Ravens a team you can't trust on the road. I know Joe Braille sounded like maybe he wants to retire early, but give me the Bengals in this one.

[Matt]

Yeah, I wanted to pick the Bengals, but then I saw how cold Joe Burrow looks. So I'm taking the Ravens to win on the road. What's next?

[Myron]

Jets and Jaguars.

[Matt]

You don't want the jets, do you?

[Myron]

No, but it's the Jack suddenly in control of the AFC South. I don't know if we're talking enough about that.

[Matt]

Yeah, no, I think they're actually good. Liam Cohen Duvall is getting it going. Give me the Jaguars. What's next?

[Myron]

Chargers at Chiefs.

[Matt]

Big one here. Do they Chiefs keep their hopes alive?

[Myron]

I want to pick the Chargers, but this just feels like one of those games they lose and Chris Jones somehow gets to Justin Herbert, who hasn't looked great since the hand injury. His non throwing hand. I'm gonna pick Kansas City to win this and keep their slim playoff hopes alive.

[Matt]

I cannot believe the Chiefs are a six point favorite in this game. I really can't. I'm gonna take the Chargers, especially if you give me the six. That's my bet of the day. I cannot believe the Chiefs are a six point favorite. What's next?

[Myron]

Cardinals at Texans.

[Matt]

Got any chance of Jacoby Brissette here?

[Myron]

They've been better with Jacoby Brissette. Michael Wilson, the receiver has been good with Marvin Harrison Jr. Out to injury. But the Texans have the best defense in the league and they're going to be a threat to anybody they face.

[Matt]

They win this, the Texans defense is stout and I thought. I think they got a win that no one thought last week against the Chiefs. Give me Houston. What's next?

[Myron]

Browns at Bears.

[Matt]

Myron.

[Myron]

I mean, we could see the sack record go down with Miles Garrett, but I don't think they get the win. I think the Bears win this one after losing the packers last week.

[Matt]

Yeah, I'm going to go Bears. It's. I don't love their chances in the cold, but I'm going to take Chicago. What's next?

[Myron]

Commanders at Giants firing who can get the highest draft pick. I feel like that's what these two teams are battling for. I'll take the Giants simply because they're at home. Neither one of these teams are good.

[Matt]

Yeah, neither one of them are good. I I'll take the Giants, but I mean, there's no way to figure out either one of these teams. This is kind of a game you just skip. What's next?

[Myron]

Raiders at Eagles.

[Matt]

Jalen hurts and the crew. Are they able to to get some of their momentum back?

[Myron]

Five turnovers in a game should scare anybody. In terms of the Eagles, A.J. brown is getting all the touches he wants, but I think they're one in three during these last four weeks when he's been getting more targets. Eagles win, but nothing impressive to them for them. With me.

[Matt]

Yeah, I'm going to go with the Eagles. What's Next?

[Myron]

Titans at 49ers. Myron, 49 is quietly humming along, getting that offense figured out. Brock Purdy getting healthier. George Kittle playing incredible. Niners win again.

[Matt]

Yeah, I'm going to go 49ers in a route. But hey, let's say this about the Titans. Played well here the last few weeks been a lot better. What's next?

[Myron]

Colts at Seahawks Myron I just don't think Philip Rivers should be back there in a game like this. The Seahawks will send everybody and they should. They win and I don't know that Philip Rivers finishes this game. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't know that that happened.

[Matt]

I mean, I can't wait to watch it. Whatever happens, it's going to be interesting. I'm going to take the Seahawks. Does Philip Rivers finish the game?

[Myron]

No.

[Matt]

I'm going to say yes. I think he plays. I think he plays well, but they lose. What's next? Packers at Broncos super bowl preview for you, Byron, what do you got?

[Myron]

Super bowl preview. The Broncos are going to send everybody. It's just hard to win in Mile High, but I think they have been really good against the blitz. I think Jordan Love and the packers win this one.

[Matt]

I've been skeptical of the Broncos all year. This is the game where I think it finally catches up to them. I'm going to take Green Bay on the road. What's next?

[Myron]

Panthers at Saints.

[Matt]

What do you got? Myron?

[Myron]

I think the Panthers win this one. I think they're going to pick on Kool Aid McKinstry, the cornerback with the Saints, and I think the Panthers get the win.

[Matt]

I don't know what to do with this one. The Saints also playing better. Tyler Shucks looked all right so far this year. You know, I'm going to take. I'm going to take the Saints at home. I actually think they get a victory here. Panthers have been consistent, inconsistent. I think this is the game they lose. I'll take the Saints at home. What's next?

[Myron]

Lions at Rams.

[Matt]

Another good, good game this afternoon. What do you got?

[Myron]

Yeah, if it wasn't for Bill's Patriots, this would be the game of the day between these two teams. They're both really, really good. I just think the Rams are the best team in the NFL right now. The way Matthew Stafford is playing. Devonte Adams expected to play as well. Give me the Rams to win.

[Matt]

I said I don't believe in any of these teams, and I still agree with that, but I actually kind of believe in the Rams. This is going to be where I think they sort of established themselves as a Super bowl favorite. Win today. Give me the Rams. What's next? Vikings at Cowboys. Byron?

[Myron]

Yeah, I mean, two teams that are really disappointed for different reasons. The Vikings and JJ McCarthy and just their overall quarterback struggles. The Cowboys in that defense. That Vikings defense is tough. They're going to send everybody against Dak Prescott, try to rattle him. I think that helps, but it's not enough. Give me the Cowboys to win.

[Matt]

Vikings defense has been good, but I like Dallas to take it at home and continue their streak of, you know, they've been quietly. Who would. Who would think you would say this for Dallas? They've been quietly playing very well here recently. I will take Dallas and finally on Monday Night Football.

[Myron]

Dolphins at Steelers.

[Matt]

No TJ Watt for the Steelers on Monday night. What do you got, Meyer?

[Myron]

Well, we went from, you know, fire Mike Tomlin, chance to steal. The Steelers being in control of the AFC North. Right. And they played really well last weekend, and that went over to Ravens. The Dolphins are the Dolphins. We know that. What their struggles are. No TJ Watt. That's a weird situation with his lung being punctured.

[Matt]

Yeah. Procedure that is a. You don't hear about that a lot. Hope he's doing all right.

[Myron]

Yeah. No T.J. watt, but I still think the Steelers win this game.

[Matt]

Yeah, I'm going to go with the Steelers. I think, you know, it's Monday Night Football. I don't know. Dolphins, again, have been playing better in the last few weeks, and without TJ Watt, I think he gives them more of a chance, but I will take the Steelers. Myron, I'm excited about these games today. There are a lot of good ones which are this is one of these days that in the cold, you just stay inside, wear your beanie like you're doing and enjoy the football.

[Myron]

It'll be fun, man. Yeah, a lot of good games today.

[Matt]

Yeah. Well, thank you all very much for listening. As I as we said, you've got Browns and bears at one o' clock here on ESPN radio. Lions and Rams are at 425. Next is game day. We'll get they'll take you throughout all the games and we will see you next week. Remember the 23rd of December, the New Orleans bowl with Matt and Myron will be doing it. This has been ESPN Radio Matt and Myron, the Podcast. Before you go, let me leave you with this. If you're gearing up to paint Behr Marquis interior paint and primer from the Home Depot is how you finish fast and finish strong. With advanced stain blocking and over a thousand colors to choose from, you can skip the extra steps and still get lasting results. One coat coverage, no overtime. Behr Marquis only at the Home Depot. How dewars get more done Valid only when tinted to colors from the Behr Marquis interior one coat hide collection.