Hour 3: Ghosts and Games

Summary

Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron: Hour 3 – Ghosts and Games

Release Date: May 18, 2025

Hosts: Matt Meyer and Myron Medcalf

Guest: Clinton Azubuike, ESPN Radio NBA Analyst

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1. Setting the Stage: Upcoming Game 7s

The episode kicks off with Matt Meyer and Myron Medcalf gearing up for an action-packed Sunday filled with pivotal Game 7 matchups. The primary focus is on the NBA playoff showdown between the Oklahoma City Thunder and the Denver Nuggets, alongside significant NHL and PGA Championship events.

Clinton Azubuike provides an in-depth preview of the Thunder vs. Nuggets Game 7, highlighting the unpredictable nature of the playoffs this year. He states at [01:40], "This entire playoffs has opened up, and there are people out there who would say the winner today is the favorite to win the whole thing."

2. NBA Playoffs: Thunder vs. Nuggets Analysis

Clinton delves into the strengths and weaknesses of both teams. He believes the Thunder have a strong chance of winning, emphasizing their improved defensive rebounding and home-court advantage. At [05:53], he remarks, "It's one of the toughest, trickiest injuries," referring to Aaron Gordon's hamstring issue, which is a critical factor for the Thunder's performance.

Matt Meyer adds a personal touch by complimenting Clinton's physical fitness, leading to a lighthearted exchange about personal exercise routines and hotel gym amenities.

3. Aaron Gordon’s Injury Impact

A significant portion of the discussion centers around Aaron Gordon's hamstring injury, analyzing its potential impact on the Thunder's chances. Clinton Azubuike explains at [05:53], "It is one of the toughest, trickiest injuries... It's really susceptible to re-injury or re-aggravation." He expresses doubt about Gordon’s ability to perform at 100% in the upcoming game, highlighting the vulnerability it introduces to the Thunder’s lineup.

4. Supernatural Chat: Haunted Hotels and Ghosts

Transitioning from sports, the conversation takes an intriguing turn towards the paranormal. Myron Medcalf brings up a haunted hotel in Oklahoma City, sparking a debate on the existence of ghosts.

Clinton Azubuike shares his skepticism at [10:25], "I do not believe in ghosts because I don't know, I believe in modern science and normalcy." This segues into a humorous back-and-forth where Matt Meyer challenges Myron’s disbelief, leading to playful banter about ghost stories and haunted locations.

5. Matt's Landscaping Tales and Jalen Brunson Comparisons

The hosts shift gears to discuss Matt’s past as a landscaper, drawing humorous parallels between his early work and the journey of NBA player Jalen Brunson. Myron Medcalf quips at [17:10], "Myron Medcalf was the Jalen Brunson of landscaping in Milwaukee for 16-year-olds," highlighting Matt’s reputation and work ethic from his youthful endeavors.

6. Jalen Brunson and the New Era of the Knicks

A substantial segment is dedicated to Jalen Brunson’s transformative impact on the New York Knicks. Myron Medcalf praises Brunson’s leadership and versatility, stating at [19:48], "Jalen Brunson is going to be one of the faces of the NBA." The discussion underscores how Brunson, along with teammates from Villanova, Carl Towns, OG Anunoby, and Mitchell Robinson, has revitalized the Knicks, making them a formidable contender in the post-LeBron and Steph Durant era.

Matt Meyer emphasizes Brunson's role in ending the Knicks' long-standing championship drought, saying, "Jalen Brunson is going to be one of the faces of the NBA."

7. NFL Focus: Brock Purdy’s Contract Debate

The conversation shifts to the NFL, where the hosts debate the wisdom of the San Francisco 49ers’ contract offer to quarterback Brock Purdy. Myron Medcalf criticizes the hefty deal, arguing it poses a financial risk without guaranteeing a Super Bowl win. At [27:08], he asserts, "I think it's a huge mistake. I think you're guaranteeing like first-round playoff exits with it."

Matt Meyer counters by highlighting Purdy’s performance and potential, stating, "He gets you into the playoffs... he's becoming that based on what he's done so far."

8. PGA Championship Predictions

The discussion briefly touches on the PGA Championship, with Matt predicting victory for John Rahm over Scottie Scheffler. He shares at [38:25], "I think Scotty Scheffler won't win only because this leaderboard has been chaotic," anticipating a comeback from Rahm.

9. NHL Playoffs: Maple Leafs vs. Panthers Game 7

Turning to hockey, the hosts analyze the Maple Leafs' chances against the Panthers in Game 7. Matt Meyer supports Toronto, citing Auston Matthews' stellar season and the team's potential to break a decades-long Stanley Cup drought. At [41:01], he affirms, "Give me the Maple Leafs."

Myron Medcalf brings up an interesting linguistic point at [41:56], "The Toronto Maple Leafs are the only grammatically incorrect nickname in sports," sparking a humorous debate about the team's name.

10. Lighthearted Banter and Upcoming Events

The episode concludes with the hosts engaging in lighthearted discussions about upcoming events like CMA Fest and playful remarks about personal experiences. They also tease future sports coverage and maintain a humorous rapport, ensuring listeners are entertained alongside being informed.

Notable Quotes:

• Clinton Azubuike ([01:40]): "This entire playoffs has opened up, and there are people out there who would say the winner today is the favorite to win the whole thing."

• Clinton Azubuike ([05:53]): "It is one of the toughest, trickiest injuries... It's really susceptible to re-injury or re-aggravation."

• Myron Medcalf ([10:25]): "I do not believe in ghosts because I don't know, I believe in modern science and normalcy."

• Myron Medcalf ([17:10]): "Myron Medcalf was the Jalen Brunson of landscaping in Milwaukee for 16-year-olds."

• Myron Medcalf ([19:48]): "Jalen Brunson is going to be one of the faces of the NBA."

• Myron Medcalf ([27:08]): "I think it's a huge mistake. I think you're guaranteeing like first-round playoff exits with it."

• Matt Meyer ([38:25]): "I think Scotty Scheffler won't win only because this leaderboard has been chaotic."

• Matt Meyer ([41:01]): "Give me the Maple Leafs."

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This episode of Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron navigates through intense sports analysis, personal anecdotes, and playful discussions, providing listeners with a comprehensive and entertaining overview of current sports events and beyond.

Transcript

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[Matt Meyer]

This is Matt and Myron the Podcast.

[Myron Metcalf]

It is Matt Myron here Sunday morning at two hours in, one hour to go. Getting ready for the big day of games. Game 7 of the Maple Leafs and Panthers, Game 7 of Nuggets and Thunder PGA Championship Final round. Ton of stuff going on. And to get us ready. He's not playing Name that Cat because, well, we've had him on before, but we do have Kalena Zabuki, who is doing the game for ESPN Radio. NBA analyst Clinton we're doing a new game on this show, Name that Cat where they have former Kentucky Wildcats on. I have to guess who they are, but you are exempt from it because we've had you before. But you're also part of that former cat group and we appreciate you coming on.

[Clinton Azubuike]

Oh, thanks for having me, guys. Good to be all with you.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right, so we got game seven tonight. Thunder Nuggets game begins three Eastern. You're on the call with Mark Casterser and here on ESPN Radio. You know, this feels like this entire playoffs has opened up and there are people out there who would say the winner today is the favorite to win the whole thing. Do you feel that way?

[Clinton Azubuike]

I do. I do. I had picked a Thunder early on in the season to win it all. They were looking pretty good. But you can't discount the Pacers. I love the way they've been playing. They're playing some inspiring basketball. You can't discount the Knicks, obviously, the Pacers. One of my favorite things about them is they just have so many playmakers and they don't care who scores. It could be Siaka on one day. It could be Halliburton, but nice. Smith, Nemahar, like all these guys can beat you off the dribble, get into the paint, make plays. Even McConnell. I love him kind of being the big brother of that second group. He gets in the paint pretty much at will and they play with so much pace. They play so fast. It's really hard to deal with when you see it up close. It's pretty devastating for the opponents and they're way more physical than you think. So I actually would pick them to win in that. In that series against the Knicks, but I think that'll be interesting. But the Thunder, man, they, they. They worked all season, have home court advantage for moments like these. And obviously the Nuggets have been here before. They won Game 7 against the Clippers in their first round. But the Thunder can get better in a lot of areas from Game 6. Defensive rebounding is going to be a point of emphasis for them. They gave up 11 for 23 second chance points, 11 offensive rebounds, and then just defending without fouling. The Nuggets shot 32 free throws in Game 6. There were some times where they're just a little bit over. Over aggressive defensively. And Nuggets gotten the bonus early in that fourth quarter that really helped them win. The end of the third quarter was huge. That's when Strother went off and started hitting threes and did his thing. They missed some key opportunities offensively. They struggled to score there. So finishing quarters will be key. But yeah, it'll be fun to watch this one tonight for today.

[Matt Meyer]

Colleen, I gotta give you credit, man. You're one of those, like, post NBA dudes who still looks like you could play. You know that? Everybody looks like that. You know, some guys look like they're a long way removed from their careers, but, you know, you look like you could still get after it, man, so that you got to feel good about that. I bring up physical condition, by the way.

[Myron Metcalf]

Myron does this with every guest. Myron likes to talk about their physical appearance when they go on the radio.

[Matt Meyer]

That's not a good look, man. That's not a good look. That doesn't sound right.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay.

[Matt Meyer]

Yeah, that's not. That doesn't sound right. That's not a good.

[Clinton Azubuike]

I understand.

[Matt Meyer]

I was just crediting you.

[Clinton Azubuike]

Yeah, I get it. I get it because I did my peloton this morning. I try to.

[Matt Meyer]

Yeah, you look like a peloton, dude.

[Clinton Azubuike]

I only look like it, though, because I. I need some unique acts still do it.

[Myron Metcalf]

Let me ask you, do you make them give you a peloton on the road? Is. Or like, are we doing one of those people?

[Clinton Azubuike]

No, I'm not one of those people. I just. I just do whatever is available. I go with whatever's available. It's interesting. Most. Most hotels now, they have peloton.

[Matt Meyer]

They do. They do.

[Clinton Azubuike]

Yeah. So I. I go up there and I'm pleasantly surprised. Usually it's at least one peloton. So I went to the gym. I was looking around like, oh, there's a elliptical treadmill.

[Matt Meyer]

Well, you also, you stay in some, you're staying at some nice hotels, clean. I've been at some hotels where there's just like one dumbbell and a mat, you know. So, you know, all the hotels don't have pelotons, but the ones you're in certainly do.

[Myron Metcalf]

When espn, Glenn, they put you up in a different place. They put us up at the Best Western Express and usually, sometimes the front.

[Matt Meyer]

Desk dude also cleans the hotel. One of those joints, you know what I'm talking about.

[Clinton Azubuike]

So, but listen, I know what that life is like. I spent time in the G league.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's right.

[Clinton Azubuike]

Hotel sixes and all that stuff. So I know what that life's like.

[Matt Meyer]

But I bring up physical condition because we understand, you know, acls, Achilles, all these like sort of season ending injuries. But hamstrings are a bit more like mysterious. Right. And Aaron Gordon is dealing with this hamstring injury. Why is that such a difficult thing to overcome? And like what are the chances that there's a miracle between now and this afternoon and we see him play.

[Clinton Azubuike]

It is one of the toughest, trickiest injuries. I've had a hamstring pull, I've strained my hamstring and it's so tricky because you can feel like you're 100% after resting for a while, you come back and you pull it again. It's really susceptible to re injury or re aggravation. Probably one of the more susceptible injuries to re aggravation that I, that I know of. So it's just about trying to get as much rest as possible. And it's hard for me to imagine if he really strained that thing that after two days and then early game today that he would be a hundred percent. I highly doubt he's 100%. I know Steph, he had the grade one strain and he had to sit out for a while and he was scheduled to come back for Game 6. I don't even think he would have been healthy if they had gotten it to a Game 6. I don't think he would have been 100%. Maybe he would have tried to go out there and play and have that thing wrapped up and do whatever you can with this new age treatment they got nowadays to get as close to 100% as possible. But it wasn't a given that he was going to be 100%. So it's, it's going to be really interesting to watch him. I saw it, I saw him when he grabbed it for the first time, he was kind of not the same after that. He wasn't moving at the same speed, pushing off of that thing, getting to your spots, being as explosive as he likes to be is going to be really hard. So we're definitely going to be watching without him.

[Myron Metcalf]

Can they win without him?

[Clinton Azubuike]

It'll be tough. One of the main issues has been just the the role players and what are they getting from their bench. STR playing as big as he did last game was just massive for them, but they don't have anyone that is liking Aaron Gordon. The physicality, he's their grit, he's their toughness. He's the physical player. He's getting offensive rebounds, he's starring in his role, playing that short corner anytime anyone cheats off of him and Jokic has the ball on the post, Jokic is hitting him there. He's got a beautiful rapport with Jokic. He can handle and setting ball screens. He's so versatile. He shot the three ball incredibly, incredibly well all season and he's been solid from there for most of this series. So it'll be tough for him. It'll be a huge loss if he's not able to play or if he's hampered at all and he's not 100%.

[Myron Metcalf]

Clinton Ozabuki ESPN Radio NBA analyst He will three o' clock today. Thunder and Nuggets in Oklahoma City I think the last time we talked to you in Oklahoma City, I hope you're finding good places there. You've been there a bunch. Have you found something you like?

[Clinton Azubuike]

I haven't gone out and been on town as much this time around. I remember I was here when the warriors were playing their series. I believe it was 2016 and they played in the game seven. I found a spot, I just forget the name of it. It was like a little pub thing and they had some pretty good food there. Went there after the game as well. There was a Zio's we went to here that was pretty good. Honestly, I was somewhat disappointed in the Zo's here because not in like the food, the quality of food but they we I grew up in Tulsa, Oklahoma as you as you know and there was a Zo's we always used to go to around where I went to school. Not too far where I went to school. Victory Christian and they had these pizza bites. It was like a pizza bites or pizza sticks like for an appetizer and we used to get it every single time. It was just amazing, you know Couldn't get enough of it.

[Myron Metcalf]

Did you stay in the Holiday Hotel?

[Matt Meyer]

They didn't have them.

[Clinton Azubuike]

They took it off the menu. They took it off.

[Matt Meyer]

I hate when restaurants do that.

[Myron Metcalf]

Did you stay in the haunted hotel? I know there's a hotel there. I've stayed in it that they say is haunted. Have you had. Did you stay there?

[Clinton Azubuike]

I've stayed in some sketchy hotels here. I don't know if it was haunted, ghost or anything.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, there's. There you got. You. You need to look this up, Clint, as you get ready for the game, and then we'll let you go. There's a hotel in Oklahoma City that players believe is haunted. There are stories about it and, like, they. They think they see ghosts. Look it up. We stayed there once. I didn't see a ghost, but I felt the presence. Yeah.

[Matt Meyer]

Do y' all believe in ghosts?

[Clinton Azubuike]

I need to clean.

[Matt Meyer]

You believe in ghosts?

[Clinton Azubuike]

Yeah, I believe in spirits. Evil spirits, for sure. For sure. I want to know the name of that place so I can make sure I don't stay away.

[Matt Meyer]

I don't want any part of that. Yeah, no.

[Myron Metcalf]

We'll see you at three o' clock. Thank you very much.

[Clinton Azubuike]

All right, guys. Appreciate y' all having me.

[Myron Metcalf]

Appreciate it. Yeah, you there. Go.

[Matt Meyer]

You don't believe in ghost?

[Myron Metcalf]

No, of course not. That's the most ridiculous. I hate when people talk about ghosts are just. Ghosts are just figments, your imagination. Like, they. They.

[Matt Meyer]

You don't think there's. You don't think any. Like, haunted places. You think that's fake?

[Myron Metcalf]

No, I think that's stupid. There's a difference between being creepy, and creepy means, like, it has a weird feeling. Yes, I believe that. But, no, I do not believe in ghosts because, I don't know, I believe in, like, modern science and normalcy.

[Matt Meyer]

I got, like, three YouTube videos. I'll send you that. I think.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't care what the YouTube video says. There are no ghosts. There's no ghosts.

[Matt Meyer]

Okay.

[Myron Metcalf]

You think there's. You think there are ghosts out there and they just choose to congregate in a hotel in Oklahoma City? I don't think over hundreds of years.

[Matt Meyer]

People talking about ghosts and aliens, everybody's lying. Like, everyone who's ever said there was an alien encounter, a ghost encounter is a liar.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes.

[Matt Meyer]

I don't.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't think they're a liar. I think they believe it themselves, but I don't think it is real. No, I do not. That's my. And I'm going to stick with that. You're saying that, like you think something creepy is going to happen to me now?

[Matt Meyer]

No, I'm just saying I just don't think everybody's lying about every alien ghost.

[Myron Metcalf]

They were lying and I think they believe, but they believe something that's wrong. Tune in tonight. Baseball action, Yankees and the Mets. Coverage of Sunday night baseball begins at 6 Eastern on ESPN radio in the ESPN app. When we come back, assuming Myron is not haunted by some ghost that keeps him from coming back on the air, there'll be more with Sunday Morning with Matt Myron.

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[Matt Meyer]

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[Myron Metcalf]

Bing Bong Myron Metcalf the Knicks are in the Eastern Conference finals against the Pacers. It's Sunday morning. Matt Meyer presented by Progressive Insurance. Bing Bong Knicks are fun story. Before we get to him real quick though, I just tweeted out a picture. People can go to my Twitter account at KY Sports Radio. Kentucky basketball coach Mark Pope is down in London, Kentucky, where the tornadoes hit that I talked about earlier and he's helping clean up because there's a lot of cleanup that's needed there and he's standing on a roof. And Mark Pope, if people don't know seven foot tall, if you're, if you're, if you're at home, pull this picture up. Go to KY Sports Radio. The Twitter account look at, look at Mark Pope on seeing a 7 foot tall dude on a roof. My Metcalf is a, is Is quite a sight. Isn't.

[Matt Meyer]

Wasn't like, you know, on one hand, I'm like, man, that's amazing. Like, that's commendable for him to be down there doing that work. At the same time, it's like, you know, you might need to send somebody else up there. You know, you stay down.

[Myron Metcalf]

Cause that's okay. What, What? Big time basketball coaches get on a roof to clean tree damage off. Does Rick Patino get on the roof?

[Matt Meyer]

Oh, Rick. Rick's. I don't think Rick. Rick's not messing up. He's going to be wearing a suit.

[Myron Metcalf]

He'll be helping John Caliperi getting on the roof.

[Matt Meyer]

No, Mike sending somebody else.

[Myron Metcalf]

Mike Shashevsky getting on the roof.

[Matt Meyer]

I don't think. I don't think K is getting up there.

[Myron Metcalf]

Is Jay Wright getting on the roof?

[Matt Meyer]

Jay Wright might not Jay Wright, but Jay Wright might get up there.

[Myron Metcalf]

Have you ever seen Jay Wright not in the suit.

[Matt Meyer]

My man's not getting on the roof.

[Myron Metcalf]

With that two thousand dollar shoes. He ain't getting on the road.

[Matt Meyer]

Jay Wright might, but it still, it looks. And he's like on. And I don't know enough about roofs, right? But like, it looks like he's a couple steps away from being in a tough situation.

[Myron Metcalf]

Have you ever been on a roof? You ever walked on a roof?

[Matt Meyer]

I don't know. Maybe when I was younger when I used to. I had my own landscaping gig, you know, back in the day when I was in high school.

[Myron Metcalf]

So maybe you had your own landscaping gig.

[Matt Meyer]

What's that mean?

[Myron Metcalf]

You just wait, hang on just a second. Hang on. Evan, come on here. Do we think, do we think Byron had a landscaping gig or did he go and mow his neighbor's yards? Which one do you think it is, Evan?

[Matt Meyer]

Like, I had a landscaping endeavor with a few houses in the neighborhood. What does that mean?

[Myron Metcalf]

People heard about. You just pulled people's grass.

[Matt Meyer]

Let's be clear. This is before the Internet. People heard about my work and I was referred to different people around the neighborhood. And I would get phone calls from people who would say, hey, listen, they saw how you did my lawn and my work. We want you to do ours. So I mean that I stayed employed, man, in the summer off. Landscaping, man.

[Evan]

That's like saying your first job in journalism was when you were in high school and you had a paper route.

[Myron Metcalf]

Like, I mean, let's be honest. You mowed the ground. You mow people's grave, had hedge clippers.

[Matt Meyer]

Oh, don't, don't, don't. Diminish my work like that. There was grass mowing, I did weeds, I did some trim. I did a little bit of everything. And like I said, people would see my work. And then I get calls from people saying, hey, are you the kid who did, you know, 2201?

[Myron Metcalf]

Oh, wait a minute. You would get random calls with addresses asking if you had done the work there.

[Matt Meyer]

People would ask. I was known. People would ask for me. They would ask for me. So yeah, I had a little gig.

[Myron Metcalf]

I was known. So Myron Metcalf was the Jalen Brunson of landscaping in Milwaukee for 16 year olds.

[Matt Meyer]

I was 16 year olds.

[Myron Metcalf]

Jalen Brunson has been taking over for the Knicks. Like Myron could take over a weed eater. You, you've been being bong. That's what Myron would say when he would come to people's door. Do you. You know, Jalen Brunson was getting all kinds of criticism when he came from Dallas. Not really criticism, but people saying he's not worth the money. There's no way he's going to be a star. I saw a TikTok video with clips of everybody from Stephen A. To Kendrick Perkins to guys on Fox on the other networks, all these people. And universally they were like, he's not even a top 10 guard, point guard. How could you give this guy the money? And of course it also shows you shouldn't listen to any of these people because they don't really know what they're talking about. Myron, isn't it cool to see Jalen Brunson have so much success and can he take them to the finals?

[Matt Meyer]

It's really cool, right? And I think what hurt Jalen Brunson was, for whatever reason, man, there was this decade period where people just didn't want to see great college players go on to the NBA and also be good, right? Like they, they saw it as if you played multiple years in college, it was because you weren't good enough to go to the NBA. Plus, he's not an above the rim guy. But now, man, playing in New York, if he leads this team to the Finals, everybody's talking about the void after LeBron and Stephen KD. Jalen Brunson is going to be one of the faces of the NBA. I mean, I think he's becoming that based on what he's done so far. So it's incredible to watch, man. And I hope it helps other teams pick the right guys winners. These guys who are winning in college at a high level, they can help teams win and we're seeing that a lot in these playoffs.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think the Knicks have been an amazing story. It's crazy to think of a team in New York being like scrappy underdogs, but they kind of are. I mean, they kind of are fun. And I. Yeah, I think the assortment of people, you know, you got not only Jalen Brunson, but the whole Villanova thing, having three guys who played at Villanova together and that Villanova connection over the years. Then you also add in Carl Towns, who's been much criticized in his career for being good, but not quite good enough, and then he's in there. And then guys like OG and Mitchell Robinson, and just the way the crowd. I mean, the. Remember what it used to be like in the 80s in LA for the Lakers, that's now shifting to New York with all of those people. I think it's been a great story. And for an NBA that's trying to navigate the post LeBron Steph Durant era, I think this has come at a perfect time. Right?

[Matt Meyer]

Yeah, it's. It's a little different in la, right? Like, LA is like, you know, Kim Kardashian, all these famous rappers, and then it's like Ben Stiller and Tracy Morgan in New York. So it's a little bit kind of a different.

[Myron Metcalf]

Timothy. Timothy Chalamet. He's big, right?

[Matt Meyer]

He's suddenly the biggest Knicks fan in the world, apparently.

[Myron Metcalf]

Like, I mean, it's more than that. You got Ben still, you got Tracy Moore, you got Sign Feld, Larry David. How stern. Yeah, I mean, that's a lot.

[Matt Meyer]

Everybody who was famous in 1995, I think it's a lot of, first of all, admiring these.

[Myron Metcalf]

I would argue these Knicks fans are a lot more real fans than the ones in la outside of Jack, Definitely real fans. Dying Cannon or whatever.

[Matt Meyer]

No, they're more loyal. I mean, I think that's why people appreciate what the Knicks have done is like the people who are crying now, you know, after that victory were the same people who've watched 20 Years of the Knicks struggles. Also, I think the Knicks honestly have become America's team because of Jalen Brunson. You. There's not a whole lot to dislike about Jalen Brunson. Like. Like, how can you look at him and go, I don't like him.

[Myron Metcalf]

Are you proud of Carl?

[Matt Meyer]

Oh, Carl, man, Carl. I never thought that Carl wasn't a winner. I always thought Carl was good enough to help a team get to the highest level, man. And. And he's proven that. So I'M not surprised at all.

[Myron Metcalf]

What you think about the guy that got on top of that billboard? How do you think he got up there?

[Matt Meyer]

How do you get up there? Does anybody know?

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know.

[Matt Meyer]

And how did he get down?

[Myron Metcalf]

That dude got up there and how.

[Matt Meyer]

Did he get down?

[Myron Metcalf]

Bing bong. How did he get up? I think like he bing bonged all the way to the top of had no way to climb up. Right.

[Matt Meyer]

I just don't know how he got down. Like, no one said that part. How does he get down?

[Myron Metcalf]

I feel like he's kind of a legend. I feel like New York Billboard. Yeah. He would have been a good guest picker today if we could have.

[Matt Meyer]

He would have been, but he's still up there.

[Myron Metcalf]

Has he been on? Has he been.

[Matt Meyer]

Is he still up there?

[Myron Metcalf]

Is he. Is he like. See, I kind of like the mystery.

[Matt Meyer]

Is there a ladder?

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know. Who's the billboard guy? Well, I'm all bing bong. I want them to beat the Pacers and get to the next round. One NFL quarterback got paid. Should he Next.

[Matt Meyer]

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[Matt Meyer]

Matt and Myron, the podcast.

[Myron Metcalf]

Welcome back. It is Matt Myron here. We had somebody write in and ask if Myron's landscaping business was like this song. Have you ever heard this song, Myron? That summer by Garth Brooks. He would work in the summer for a lonely widow woman hell bent to make it on her own. And then the song is, he did yard work for her and then he became a man in her arms over the course of the summer. Was that you in your landscaping business over the course of the summer, like Garth Brooks with that summer?

[Matt Meyer]

Nah, that never. That never happened for me from landscape.

[Myron Metcalf]

And that's why the word got passed through the neighborhood.

[Matt Meyer]

You've been making some questionable statements about me today. Kalina Azabuki was on. And you suggested that I always comment on people's physical appearance.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, that was maybe questionable, but this.

[Matt Meyer]

And then now you're saying I'm falling into some woman's arms.

[Myron Metcalf]

This is a very famous saw, Myron. And you just said you're landscaping. There was a softness in her eye. You had a landscaping business. And, you know, there was a. I was 16. Yeah, well, okay, that's a little joke.

[Matt Meyer]

I just say to you, what are the laws in Kentucky? I don't know. But in Wisconsin, that wasn't gonna work.

[Myron Metcalf]

Taking off like it did is interesting to me. Sunday morning on ESPN Radio, the ESP.

[Matt Meyer]

Presented by me. I mean, part of it was the look, you know, Look. I mean, I mean, back then I was, you know, I was. And I was a super ad. I was good athlete. So I was pretty cut up, you know, I was.

[Myron Metcalf]

You think part of the reason these people hired you was because of how handsome you were?

[Matt Meyer]

It didn't hurt, you know, interesting. I don't think it hurt.

[Myron Metcalf]

I learned something new about you every week. Matt. Myron is live From CMA Fest June 8th from 10:00am to 1:00pm Eastern in Nashville. Chris Canty does not believe Myron understands hip hop. That will not help that we're gonna be at CMA Fest.

[Matt Meyer]

I'm gonna have to explain that one to some people. I feel like.

[Myron Metcalf]

Have you learned. Do you. Have you learned to dance yet for CMA Fest? A little boot scooting, boogie maybe?

[Matt Meyer]

Nobody's gonna ask me to boot scoot or boogie, I think, down there.

[Myron Metcalf]

But.

[Matt Meyer]

Line dancing, though, I can Line dance? If they show me the moves. If they show me the moves. Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

Anyone?

[Matt Meyer]

I will jump in a line dance, no problem.

[Myron Metcalf]

All right, well, maybe we'll do that.

[Matt Meyer]

How else do I learn? How else do I learn? No, no. What you said is unfair. How else would I learn how to line dance unless somebody showed me.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's true. I'll show you. I'll show you how to do the boot scooting boogie. We'll go down some boots and I can do it. Brock Purdy signed. I believe I saw, you know, with, with these deals, whatever the amount of money they say is not the money. What is the guaranteed money of it on the Brock Purdy deal? I know it. They say it's two, but what's the guarantee?

[Matt Meyer]

100 and I think it's 170 million. In that range, I believe.

[Evan]

Okay, 181.

[Myron Metcalf]

180.

[Matt Meyer]

And it's all in the first three years.

[Evan]

Guaranteed money, correct?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. First three years.

[Matt Meyer]

He's getting that money. So.

[Myron Metcalf]

So I am very much like not a believer that this is a good decision. Not because I don't think Brock Purdy's good. It's just. I don't know that I want to put that. You know what I say the word the way to kill your franchise. Pay a quarterback star money when they're not a star. That's what I think Brock Purdy is. Is. Do you disagree with me on that? It seems like everyone is praising the deal. I think it's a huge mistake. I think you're guaranteeing like first round playoff exits with it. But do you disagree?

[Matt Meyer]

I completely disagree. I just don't know who people want to pay. Right. At the end of the day, there aren't many quarterbacks who've won as much as he has in this three years. There certainly aren't many teams that have led an offense that has been this productive. I think yards per attempt. I think the 49ers are first over the last three years in the NFL with, with Brock Purdy. How many great quarterbacks?

[Myron Metcalf]

They're not gonna be able to keep those guys now. I mean that's. But you can he win when you pay Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen type money, you have to. The quarterback has to win you the game because you're going to lose a lot of those secondary talents that made Brock good. So is he good enough to win a Super bowl with him as the primary guy?

[Matt Meyer]

But Matt, Matt, you're talking about five guys who. No one's like those guys. So I think. I always think that's unfair when people use it as a measuring stick because how do you. There isn't another Josh out.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, there's another way to do it. There's another way to do it. Which is exactly how they did with Brock Purdy before he get. They gave him this money. Which is. There are only two ways to win in the NFL. Only two. You either have to have a superstar quarterback or you have to have a guy on a small deal that you surround with superstar talent.

[Matt Meyer]

That's it.

[Myron Metcalf]

Those are the only two ways to win. The guarantee way to lose is to pay a dude who may be really good but cannot win you a Super Bowl a ton of money and then you can't sign him complimentary pieces and then you lose. We've seen it for, we've seen it for decades since the new structure. I don't know why. Unless you think Brock Purdy's top six. He can't get that money.

[Matt Meyer]

That can't be the measuring stick though. Because you're talking about four or five special guys.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes.

[Matt Meyer]

That no one else can reach that. That's a team in and of itself.

[Myron Metcalf]

And I wouldn't pay any quarterback that kind of money. But unless they were one of those guys.

[Matt Meyer]

But then who are you bringing in? I mean that's my thing.

[Myron Metcalf]

You're going to. Then you know what I would do in all honesty? I sign a mid tier quarterback and keep, keep, keep taking shots at rookies.

[Matt Meyer]

Keep throwing purdies. A guy who's going to the NFC championship game, to the Super Bowl. And last year he did it, but.

[Myron Metcalf]

He did it because he had all that talent because he was on a seventh round deal.

[Matt Meyer]

So much of this about Brock Purdy, so much of the stigma around Brock Purdy is because he was a seventh round pick. And there's this idea, I watch a lot of people. There's this idea that there's no way he can be this good. I'm not saying he's in the class with the five guys that we all know everybody else. But who is. But then, but then there's. But then there's 15 other guys that you can't pay. And if that's exactly.

[Myron Metcalf]

I wouldn't pay them. What do you do in the current.

[Matt Meyer]

You have to give yourself a chance to win. I think that's why you're paying Rob.

[Myron Metcalf]

Probably in the current salary cap structure. I don't like the current salary cap structure. I actually think it needs to be changed for the reason you're talking about. We should not incentivize teams like San Francisco to not sign Brock Pie. San Francisco should keep Brock Purdy in theory, but in practice, I'm of the belief if you don't think that guy is one of the five to seven best. Now, my mind, if people do, if a 49er fan says to me, I do think Brock P. Is that good, then I might disagree with him, but I think I at least respect it. But if you say to me he can be the tenth or eleventh best quarterback, if I'm paying the tenth or eleventh best quarterback what the Chiefs are paying Mahomes that kind of money, I'm going to lose. I'm going to lose. But.

[Matt Meyer]

But you also have no chance to win. Like, fine, if you're calling this a gamble. First off, I think the 49ers have put themselves in a great spot. The guaranteed money that you mentioned at the top of this segment is in the first three years of the deal. So in three years, the 49ers are going to be in a position where if they got to move on, they'll have some flexibility there. But number two, at some point, don't you pay a winning quarterback? I think people believe that you're only supposed to play pay great quarterbacks. That's false. You got to pay the good quarterbacks too, because that's your best chance to get into the playoffs and win games.

[Myron Metcalf]

If I can pay good quarterbacks good money, I'm for it. But if I have to pay good quarterbacks elite money and they're not elite, it's the guaranteed way to lose. Guarantee. You will be out in the first round every year, but you cannot win a title with the Kirk Cousins and Brock Purdy on the deal. He, Kirk Cousins was. Is great on rookie money, but once you're paying Kirk Cousins super bowl money, he ain't going to win a Super bowl because he. Because he takes too much away from the rest of your roster.

[Matt Meyer]

But that can't be the measuring stick. He gets you into the playoffs. First off, he's been to the Super Bowl. He can't get you into. He can get you into the playoffs. You have a chance to win playoffs. Who beats Mahomes though, Matt? Who beats my homes?

[Myron Metcalf]

But. But if, but he will. I'm gonna make your prediction. Save this audio and you can use it in five years. You'll never win a Super bowl or make a Super bowl with brock Purdy. At 60 million a year. You can make it on rookie deals because you can go get $58 million worth of other talent. But if he has to be the guy you're going eight, nine, he's getting.

[Matt Meyer]

About $53 million a year. But who would you sign instead? Okay, you're not going to sign Brad Purdy. So you go into next year, remember, as a seventh round pick, there's no fifth year option. So he will be going into next year and after next year he'd be an unrestricted free agent. What do you do then? What do you do then if he's great next year?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, first of all, I probably would have drafted his replacement and I'm fine with it.

[Matt Meyer]

You think you could draft someone?

[Myron Metcalf]

I think I get you to.

[Matt Meyer]

Here's what NFC championship this let me.

[Myron Metcalf]

Be because I'm not going to say I'm going to draft someone better than him. Here's what I think. Would you say the money is 53.

[Matt Meyer]

Million, $53 million a year. So $50 million a year, I'm going.

[Myron Metcalf]

To look at it as $53 million. If you're telling me I have two choices. Brock Purdy at 53 million with talent around him, that adds up to I get to spend about $10 million on or 12 on offensive talent or Brock Pert or the Brock party replacement at 2 million and I can add 60 million of talent around him. I'll take the other guy. I won't do that if he's, if he's one of the top seven guys. But I will do it in that scenario and we'll see. We'll come back in five years. We'll see. How much? $50 million. Brock Purdy, how many Super Bowls he's made a shot on a rookie deal? This is a different deal, a shot at history. Later today we'll tell you what it is. That's next here on Sunday Morning.

[Matt Meyer]

Matt and Myron the podcast.

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[Matt Meyer]

Matt and Myron the podcast Trying to.

[Myron Metcalf]

Get Myron used to this because this is his new era. When we go to the CMA Fest June 8, 10 to 1 in Nashville, we'll be live on Broadway. You ever been to Broadway, Myron? In Nashville?

[Matt Meyer]

Yeah, yeah. My brother used to live in Nashville. I've been to Broadway.

[Myron Metcalf]

Have you been there since? It's become like a circus in the last seven or eight years, I haven't.

[Matt Meyer]

Been to a bachelorette party there or anything. Like, no. But here's a big.

[Myron Metcalf]

Changed a lot. Nashville's changed a lot even since COVID It's a different place.

[Matt Meyer]

You have to throw your bachelorette party there. Like, don't you? Like, if you're age 22 to 45.

[Myron Metcalf]

You have to do your best on any Saturday night. Nashville has a lot of women in pink cowboy hats and skirts who are like, Nashville ain't ready for us. And I'm like, yeah, Nashville's been ready for you for a long time. They'll see you this week, next week, the week after. And then they'll all have like sashes on with just taken Friend of the bride. And then they'll. We will see those people. Yes.

[Matt Meyer]

Okay. Yes. I heard it's a big bachelorette party spot, so. No, it'll be fun. It'll be a fun event. Man, I didn't realize 100,000 people were going to be there.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm excited. They got some artists that are going to be there that I really like. I mean, Trisha Yearwood you mentioned is one of my favorites of all time. I mean, I'm more like the older folks. They're there. But I like Dirks Bentley. You know, his wife tried to set me up at a wedding once.

[Matt Meyer]

Oh, yeah?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I went to a wedding. My, my, my girlfriend had just broken up with me a week before and I got sat at Dirk. Dirk's Bentley's table and his wife said, we're going to hook you up with somebody before the wedding's over. Didn't happen. But I like, I like the enthusiasm.

[Matt Meyer]

I wish Johnny Cash could have been there. I would love to have seen Johnny. It's been a couple years now, right?

[Myron Metcalf]

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[Matt Meyer]

I thought it was a couple years.

[Myron Metcalf]

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[Matt Meyer]

That was a couple years ago.

[Myron Metcalf]

See if Johnny Cash died.

[Matt Meyer]

Wow. I'm a few years off, man. My condolences are since Byron.

[Myron Metcalf]

So up to date to do take your pick.

[Matt Meyer]

Take your pick. You take your pick. It's time to take your pick on Sunday morning.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'm gonna look this up while, while Evan's giving us the game. What do we got? First?

[Evan]

Let's start with the PGA Championship coverage now on ESPN.

[Myron Metcalf]

Scotty Scheffler 2003. I was off by one year. Sorry, go ahead.

[Matt Meyer]

Okay.

[Evan]

I'm trying to think of who won the 2003 PGA Championship. While I'm doing that, you guys tell me, will Scotty Scheffler minus five win the PGA? He's got a three shot lead. He tees off at 240. The Scotty Scheffler win.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, easy. I mean there's. He's a machine three up from jail to, to the crown in one year. It's a good story. The more interesting thing to me, I want to see a. Where John Rom finishes because he's been awful since he went to live tour and now he's, he's in contention here. Then my guy, J.T. poston caddies Aaron Fleener, former KSR rider. J.T. poston sitting there fourth. Can a former KSR, which is Kentucky sports radio writer, help lead his player into the top five? Myron?

[Matt Meyer]

Yeah, I like Scottish. This has been an incredible story and that run yesterday was remarkable. But he won't win only because this leaderboard has been chaotic. I mean there has been a lot of movement, a lot of drama and no one's been able to hold on.

[Myron Metcalf]

So you're picking against, you're picking against Scotty.

[Matt Meyer]

I'm picking against Scotty only because of what's transpired this week.

[Myron Metcalf]

No one's been able to go out on a limb. Tell me who's winning besides Scott.

[Matt Meyer]

John Rom, I think. John Rom, I think Rom comes back and I think he wins it.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, Rom's not winning, but I do think it's impressive. He finally like, I mean he disappeared since he went to Live Tour. Nice to see him on the leaderboard again. Don't tell Canty that. I think the live guy's not going to win. Who's next?

[Evan]

We haven't thunder minus eight and a half at home. Game seven today against the Nuggets. Coverage begins at 3:00pm on ESPN radio. What do you got? Thunder Nuggets thunder minus eight and a half.

[Myron Metcalf]

Myron? Yeah, eight and a half's a lot, isn't it Myron?

[Matt Meyer]

Yeah, I mean, if we're, if we're playing the spread, I, I, I think that's gonna be hard to, to cover that. But you know, at the end of the day, I think this would be a competitive game. Aaron Gordon matters a lot. I mean, if OKC has anything besides sj, it's that size in the paint. And without Aaron Gordon, his athleticism, that takes a lot. Even if he plays and he's not 100%. So I'll pick the Thunder to win, but I don't think they win in cover.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, that's a big loss if they lose Eric Gordon. You know, I think one of two things happens. The Thunder either win by 25 or the Nuggets win a close game. I'm gonna take the Thunder win by a lot. But if the game's close, you give me yokich into guys down the stretch. I think the Thunder will get tight and Denver will get the win. What's next?

[Evan]

Maple Leafs Panthers Game 7 in the NHL playoffs tonight. Maple Leafs +110 on the money line. You guys like the odds there?

[Myron Metcalf]

One team is going to be the sacrificial lamb to my Carolina Hurricane. So the question really is whether or not I'm going to spend next Saturday in Carolina or, excuse me, in Toronto or in Miami because that's where game three is going to be and I'm going either way. So will I get to be in beautiful Toronto or, you know, little bit flashy Miami? I think the answer is probably Miami because Florida went won it last year. They got the experience in these games. A lot of pressure on the Leafs. So I'll take Florida on the road. What about you?

[Matt Meyer]

I'll take the Maple Leafs. I mean, Austin Matthews has been having a remarkable season and I think, you know, he finishes here with a big game and leads, I think the Maple Leaves back to this spot where, you know, Canada is trying to end a 30 plus year drought in the Stanley Cup. So I think it'll be a competitive game. But give me the Maple Leafs.

[Myron Metcalf]

Did you know that the Toronto Maple Leafs are the only grammatically incorrect nickname in sports?

[Matt Meyer]

I didn't know that grammatically because should be, it should be leaves.

[Myron Metcalf]

It should be leaves. You're not allowed to say Leafs. It's supposed to be leaves. So it's a grammatically incorrect name. Have you ever realized that before?

[Matt Meyer]

I didn't, I didn't realize it. But Is that a Canadian thing, though? Or is that like.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think it's just somebody was grammatically incorrect and nobody's wanted to bring it up until right now. But it should be leaves. It's not.

[Matt Meyer]

Was it grammatically correct in. I don't know what Canada does.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, it shouldn't be Canada approved. It's not the Toronto maple gooses. It would be the maple geese. It's the same thing here. This should be leaves, not leafs.

[Matt Meyer]

But if I just don't. I need Canada to tell me it.

[Myron Metcalf]

Doesn'T have a different English language. Like, they didn't come up with a different set of words. We all.

[Matt Meyer]

Canada stuff, man. There's Canada stuff. I just. I'm just telling you. This Canada stuff.

[Evan]

There is their dollar bills or coins. Can't trust those.

[Myron Metcalf]

I understand there's a difference between words they use differently and grammar. Grammar does not change by country. Grammar is universal.

[Matt Meyer]

I don't know.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay, you all.

[Matt Meyer]

Canada's got some stuff, man.

[Myron Metcalf]

Y' all believe in ghosts?

[Matt Meyer]

And you saw different languages up there, man. They speak French. They speak a little bit of this, a little bit of that.

[Myron Metcalf]

What else do they speak? What are the eight? You got French and English and what else?

[Matt Meyer]

There's some Italians up there. You just don't know about them. I believe it is grammatically correct.

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[Matt Meyer]

Less common plural form of leaf.

[Myron Metcalf]

You know what less common means? You know what less common means? Incorrect. That's what less common means. Anything can be less common.

[Matt Meyer]

Canadians got you on this way to say something.

[Myron Metcalf]

Or there's not. And leafs is not the correct way. You go out. You go out to somebody in America and say, why don't you go rake your leafs and see what.

[Matt Meyer]

They're not in America. They're in Canada.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay. Go to Canada and say, why don't you go rake your leafs? It's leaves. That's what it is.

[Matt Meyer]

So you don't think. You think over the. Over a history of sports, like, no Canadian was like, hey, man, I think that's grammatically incorrect. Clearly, they may.

[Myron Metcalf]

But they got shouted down by people like the three of you all that are like, no, we can still say that because it's okay. Leaves.

[Matt Meyer]

Evan, what's next country?

[Evan]

Do we think it started as the Maple Leaf and then they changed to the Leafs?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes. It probably.

[Matt Meyer]

The Toronto Maple Leaf is actually a better name. Probably.

[Myron Metcalf]

No. And then.

[Matt Meyer]

But I hate the Cardinal. I hate the Cardinal. That's. I don't get the Cardinal thing. Like, it should be the Stanford Cardinals Maple Leaf sounds. Because it's. No, it's the Cardinal. It's not plural. That's why. It's just the standard.

[Myron Metcalf]

Why don't you. Why can't it be the Stanford Cardinal?

[Matt Meyer]

I'd rather be Cardinals, I think non plural names or. Yeah, names without an s at the end.

[Myron Metcalf]

Jazz, Heat, Avalanche.

[Evan]

The Mammoth.

[Matt Meyer]

Specifically Stanford Cardinal. I wish was the Cardinals Avalanche. I think that's a more powerful name. And then the Maple Leafs. You're in Canada. You can do Canada stuff, man.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I'm picking Florida until they learn to do their grammar correctly. I'm done with it. Game day is next. Jonathan Laszlo and Tim Welsh. You're the one talking to Drake, not me. It has been Sunday Morning with Matt Myron right here on espn.

[Matt Meyer]

Thanks for listening. Listening to Matt and Myron the Podcast. You can listen to the show live every Sunday morning at 10am Eastern on ESPN Radio, the ESPN app, and on SiriusXM Channel 80. Matt and Myron the Podcast Calling all.

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