Hour 3: Hall of Fame Confusion

Summary

Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron

Hour 3: Hall of Fame Confusion

Date: February 4, 2026
Hosts: Myron Medcalf & Matt Jones
Featured Guest: Herm Edwards

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into sports world headlines with the signature banter and insight of Matt Jones, Myron Medcalf, and guest Herm Edwards. The main themes are the controversy around Bill Belichick's Hall of Fame snub, NFL front office shakeups, locker room dynamics, and—throughout—the enduring comedy of failed beards and hairpieces. Expect sharp takes on how the Hall of Fame voting works (and doesn’t), plus memorable moments from callers and plenty of laughs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Beard Growth & Black Santa: Lighthearted Opening

• [00:32 – 02:05]

• Matt and Myron joke about Myron’s attempts to grow a beard using Beyoncé’s hair care products.

• Herm Edwards joins the fun, teases Myron about trying to be “Black Santa Claus” and gives heartfelt but hilarious advice against trying forced beard solutions.

  • "You're hoping you get it by—you gonna be Black Santa Claus this year." — Herm [01:25]
  • "It's Black History Month. Why can he not be Black Santa Claus?" — Matt [01:43]

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2. NFL Quarterback Journeys & Team Decisions

• [02:05 – 05:38]

Sam Darnold Super Bowl Run & Minnesota’s GM Firing

• Matt asks Herm if the firing of the Vikings GM was because of embarrassment after Sam Darnold’s success elsewhere.
• Herm strongly believes teams give up on QBs too quickly and situations dictate their success; second chances matter for development.
  • "There is no doubt. And all the other teams that gave up on Sam Darnold, like we do a lot of times with quarterbacks..." — Herm [02:27]
  • The system’s fit for a QB is critical. If the system is “faulty,” QBs often fail until a new opportunity comes.
• Decision-making in teams: Head coaches and offensive coordinators should have the biggest say in QB selections.

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3. Coaching, Locker Rooms, and Player Management

• [04:06 – 07:20]

Keon Coleman & Public Criticism

• Matt poses a scenario: How should an incoming coach handle a player the owner publicly didn’t want (Keon Coleman in Buffalo)?
• Herm: Coaches must support and motivate their players, but also make clear there’s competition for spots.
  • "You gotta tell him, look, we—I want you here, but you're gonna have to compete because I'm gonna bring some guys in here, too." — Herm [05:08]

How to Manage 'Goofy' or Immature Players

• Myron asks if teams should avoid non-serious or immature players.
• Herm: Locker rooms are full of personalities. Coaches should personally connect with their special players—if they’re good.
  • Herm’s philosophy: Have regular personal check-ins and ask, "How you living?" [06:25]
  • "When you ask them, 'How you living?', well, coach, I got this going on, okay? Then you try to sort out some things and say, 'Let's just deal with these other two.'" — Herm [07:20]

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4. Bill Belichick’s Hall of Fame Snub: The Main Event

• [07:34 – 10:30]

The Surprise and the Politics

• Bill Belichick not being a first-ballot Hall of Famer sparks debate.
• Herm points straight to media relations as the explanation: Belichick’s icy history with reporters likely led to grudges affecting votes.
  • "He didn't treat the media very well...They're getting back at him. They're gonna make him wait a year. That's just people who hold grudges." — Herm [07:56]
  • Herm and Myron agree—Belichick’s in eventually, but the process reveals flaws and possible bias.
• Herm distances himself from being “the media,” branding himself, tongue-in-cheek, as a celebrity instead.
  • "I'm a celebrity. I'm not a media person. Leave it at that." — Herm [09:06]

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5. Celebrity Life, Humility, and Banter

• [10:30 – 12:40]

• Herm discusses the humility that comes with “celebrity”—especially with family.

  • "Honey, I'm a celebrity. She said, 'Yeah, you know what? Empty the garbage because it's kind of full right now.' Okay. That kind of humbles you." — Herm [10:45]

• Light plans are made to visit Herm in Carmel, with promises of lunch and golf.

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6. Hairpieces and Unintentional Comedy

• [12:04 – 12:58]

• Matt brings up a boxer whose hairpiece fell off mid-fight. Herm throws in wisdom (and shade), noting not all hairpieces are created equal.

  • "Some people got hair pieces on you like, bro, that ain't helping. You need to just take it off." — Herm [12:28]

• The segment closes with Herm’s signature warmth and Matt and Myron’s appreciation.

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Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Just do you, man... They want you to be sincere. They want you to be who you are." — Herm Edwards [10:03]
• "All you got to do is just... As long as before Friday, because I leave Friday. But I'm here all week until Friday." — Herm, inviting the guys for a visit [11:44]

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Callers & Audience Interaction

7. Beard Culture and Beyoncé’s Hair Products

• [15:40 – 18:54]

• Callers chime in on the reality of men using Beyoncé's hair products to improve their beards.

• Myron laments beard envy, and callers share wild stories (including someone making a hairpiece from their own shaved hair).

  • "There's a little bit of arrogance in you beard people, and I think that's kind of what makes me feel jealous sometimes, you know, it's a great thing to have a beard, but you don't have to talk down to those of us who don't have beards..." — Myron [17:24]

8. Hall of Fame Voter Reform (fan perspective)

• [19:21 – 21:08]

• Caller suggests a "judge" or higher authority over the Hall of Fame voting process, but ideas run into the problem of trusting NFL owners or putting power in the hands of one individual.

• Myron and Matt are skeptical, highlighting the difficulty of finding an unbiased system.

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In-Depth: Hall of Fame Debate (Jones and Metcalf)

• [23:48 – 31:45]

The Process is Broken

• Matt describes how Belichick was snubbed due to a convoluted process—coaches, owners, and veteran players lumped together for limited spots. He argues all major sports Hall of Fames are flawed and become popularity contests or moral police.
  • "The football hall of Fame is ridiculous because it feels like it's like an Ivy League frat club..." — Matt [26:13]
  • On Ichiro, Pete Rose, Bonds, Clemens, and A-Rod missing out: "How are you going to have a Hall of Fame where four of the eight best players of my lifetime are not allowed in?..." — Matt [26:13]

Ideas for Reform

• Myron says accountability is needed—voters should lose privileges for egregious choices.
  • "I'm fine with taking people's votes. If there are people who didn't vote for Belichick, there should be some sort of committee to review that..." — Myron [29:18]
• Matt dreams of a math-driven, objective system—statistical milestones rather than voter subjectivity.

Math Class Tangent:

[31:07 – 34:15]

• Matt and Myron trade stories about being pushed into advanced math (with a highlight about a student copying “answers may vary”).
• A comedic break illustrating their rapport.

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International Soccer: One Epic Moment

• [36:55 – 42:34]

• Matt recounts an incredible Champions League finish: Benfica’s goalkeeper heads in a last-second goal to advance past Real Madrid, coached by Jose Mourinho—“The Special One.”

• The Spanish broadcast’s exuberance is spotlighted, and both hosts marvel at the moment and at soccer’s energetic announcers.

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Picks and Lightning Round

• [42:50 – 46:18]

• Matt and Myron make bets for NHL (Bruins vs. Lightning), NBA (Lakers vs. Knicks, Thunder vs. Nuggets), College Hoops (Alabama vs. Florida), and the NFL Pro Bowl.

• Casual, enthusiastic discussion covering upcoming games and highlighting LeBron James’ possible last game at Madison Square Garden.

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Notable, Timed Quotes

• “You’re a media dipper. Now, here’s the difference. . . I’m a celebrity. I’m not a media person.” — Herm Edwards [09:06]
• “He’s already a Hall of Fame guy. Come on!” — Herm Edwards, on Bill Belichick [08:35]
• “All you got to do is just as long as before Friday, because I leave Friday...” — Herm Edwards (on lunch and golf invites) [11:44]
• “Just do you, man. Just do you. Don’t try to be anybody else. Just do you.” — Herm Edwards [10:03]
• “I want to get to that age where I could say something offensive and then just say, I’m gonna leave that alone and just kind of wipes it out...” — Myron Metcalf [13:11]
• “If you give a power to any one person, eventually they could turn corrupt.” — Caller [20:30]

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Episode Mood & Takeaways

• Tone: Warm, funny, honest, and spirited—Herm Edwards’ larger-than-life personality injects humor and wisdom; Matt and Myron riff off each other with ease, blending sports insight with everyday life.
• Takeaways:
  • Hall of Fame voting is deeply flawed and subject to personal agendas.
  • Locker room management is about trust, support, but also competition.
  • Beard envy is real, and men will go to great lengths (and products) to chase one.
  • Even in sports, humility and self-deprecation trump arrogance—and it’s okay to just "do you."
  • Sometimes sports’ most memorable moments aren’t stats, but the stories—whether that’s a goalie scoring, a hairpiece mishap, or an iconic radio segment.

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Transcript

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[Myron Metcalf]

And Myron the podcast.

[Matt Jones]

Herm Edwards, our guy. He's not in Bristol, but he's still on the phone and joining us the week before the Super Bowl. Herm, before we talk football, I gotta ask you a question. I don't know if you heard the last segment. My man Myron is taking Beyonce hair growth products to try to grow a beard on his face with oil. What do you think about that?

[Herm Edwards]

Oh, I didn't know favorite hair product out.

[Commercial Narrator]

Really?

[Myron Metcalf]

She has a whole series. She has a whole series of hair products. Y.

[James (Producer or Sports Analyst)]

She is.

[Herm Edwards]

She is a. She's a beautiful woman. So it must work.

[Matt Jones]

But he wants to use it to grow a beard on his face.

[Herm Edwards]

Have you ever had it?

[Myron Metcalf]

And if it doesn't work, Herm, I'm gonna get a hairpiece. I'm gonna get a beard hair.

[Herm Edwards]

You had a beard before.

[Myron Metcalf]

I can't grow it out. No, I can't. I can't do it. That's why I'm trying to work on.

[Herm Edwards]

So you're forcing the issue, huh?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm trying. I don't know what else to do.

[Herm Edwards]

You're hoping, huh? You're hoping you get it by you gonna be Black Santa Claus this year. I would love to. I you what? I would be. Be careful. Ain't no ho ho, Santa Claus Miles. Not no black one. Anyway, you better be careful coming to my house, cuz. I ain't letting you in.

[Matt Jones]

It's Black History Month. Why can he not be Black Santa Claus?

[Myron Metcalf]

I would love.

[Herm Edwards]

What, Mother? It's February. Christmas in December. Ain't no black Santa. It's Christmas.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, no.

[Herm Edwards]

You can do all of ho ho when you want in February, but not. Not in Christmas. Don't come around my neighborhood.

[Matt Jones]

All right, Herb, we. I don't even know what to say to that, Herm. Sam Darnold is in the super bowl and Minnesota fires their gm. You've said before owners sometimes do stuff just because they are getting barras. You actually said that on the clip we came in. You think this was a firing because they got embarrassed because Sam Darnold went to the Super Bowl.

[Herm Edwards]

Absolutely, absolutely. There is no doubt. And all the other teams that gave up on Sam Darnold, like we do a lot of times with quarterbacks, because they are the vocal point of your team. And at times, you know, when the guy didn't play good or he's not playing well, you go, well, I got to get rid of this guy. He's not a fit. And a lot of it, and we've said it before, guys on your show, a lot of the fits of these quarterbacks, if the system is not worthy of allowing a quarterback to use his skill set, you got a faulty system. And a lot of these systems are like that in the NFL. And a lot of these guys fail. And that's why when they get a second bite of the apple or sometimes when they've been cut a couple times, they become more mature, all those things. Add on to that, what is the.

[Myron Metcalf]

Real decision making process between coaches and GMs because that's been the big debate here is was it Kwesi, the GM who decided on Sam Darnold? Was it Kevin o'? Connell? Like when it comes down to evaluating quarterbacks, who actually hits the button on what you're going to do in an NFL team?

[Herm Edwards]

Well, you would hope that, you know, the head coach and the offensive coordinator, because those are the two that are, that are basically going to spend most of the time with the quarterback. Now Kevin in Minnesota, he played quarterback in college, so he kind of knows how that, that works, right? And he gets that part. So that's a good, that's a good guy to have because he understands the quarterb and you know, and I don't know if he wanted to get rid of Sam or not, but they ended up doing it. And obviously Sam smiling right now, he got a chance to win a Super Bowl.

[Matt Jones]

Let me ask you a question that goes, I like to ask you if, put your coach hat on. Let's say you're Joe Brady, you get hired with Buffalo, and now you're coming in, you, you've been there, you're the offense coordinator, but now, now you're in charge. And your owner went out and said, well, we didn't even really want to pick Keon Coleman. These other guys did. But Keon Coleman's still on your roster and you need him to be good. What are you saying to that kid when the dude that's signing his checks basically publicly came out and said, we.

[Herm Edwards]

Don'T believe in him, that I believe in you, and he's not Coaching the team. I am. And we got to get you going, and I'm going to find a way to get you going. And you got to pump him up now. And this is what all coaches are doing right now in the off season. You know, you're pumping some of those players up that's been injured. Maybe it's in their second, second or third year. They've struggled. They haven't been the guy you thought they were going to be. You're giving them a bite of the apple. Now, with that being said, you're looking for guys replacing too, because if he doesn't do it, you're gonna build him.

[Matt Jones]

Up and also try to replace.

[Herm Edwards]

No, no, no.

[Matt Jones]

You.

[Herm Edwards]

You gotta tell him, look, we, I want you here, but you're gonna have to compete because I'm gonna bring some guys in here, too. And the players know that. They know you've been in a place two or three years, you've been a high round pick, and you're not playing well, maybe due to injury, maybe you could assist them or whatever. You know, Guess what? My, My clock is ticking. But if the coach gives you the olive branch, saying, hey man, look, we want you here, we want you to be a part of it. This is what we're going to ask you to do. You got to buy into it, and then you. Then you got to prove yourself.

[Myron Metcalf]

Coach, I think the thing with Keon Coleman was he just came off as immature and goofy a little bit, and people loved it early. But then he struggled and it was like, okay, maybe he's not mature. Do you stay away from the goofy guys? Like the guys who just can't seem to be serious at any moment?

[Herm Edwards]

Well, I think, you know, your locker room is filled with a lot of different players. And I've always said this, and I made it my point, you know, when you took over a team or whatever, you know, there's. I call them the special players. There's probably a handful of special players. And you tell the coaches, those guys belong to me. I got those guys. I got him. And you basically like coaches coaching, but you all, you know, you're having a meeting with them once a week. Just how we doing? You know, you just. They're your guys, they're your guys.

[Myron Metcalf]

But only if they're good, though, right, Coach? They're not good. You don't waste that time.

[Herm Edwards]

Right, right. But I mean, generally you're hoping they're good. And if they're good, you go, like, I got. Don't worry about that guy. I got It. He go, he gonna be fine. I'll get into the game. Don't worry about it, boys. You just coach him. And you got to bring them in once a week, you know, and sit down and visit with them, see how they're doing, how they live in. Obviously, that's the first question I used to always ask those guys. You know, when you walk up to them locker room, you go, how you live? They look at you. What. How you live? You know, they don't know what to say on that one. They got to think about that.

[Matt Jones]

How you living? Like, what's. What's an answer? What am I supposed to answer? When you say, how you living?

[Herm Edwards]

They tell you what's going on, okay? They tell you what's going on. That's all I want to know. How you live?

[Matt Jones]

How you live it? I'm gonna start to babysit those guys, start stealing that. I'm gonna start asking the Post folks here at espn, hey, hey, Mike Greenberg, how you living? That's right.

[Herm Edwards]

They tell you. They tell you everything. When you ask them, now, how you living? Well, Coach, I got this going on, okay? Then you try to sort out some things and say, hey, look, why don't we. Why don't we put this one over on the shelf and let's just deal with these other two? So you try to help them out.

[Matt Jones]

Bill Belichick does not get into the hall of Fame on the first round. Everybody says there's a system and all that. Why do you think it.

[Herm Edwards]

No, that's not surprising. Who votes for it?

[Myron Metcalf]

People like me, Reporters.

[Herm Edwards]

Well, let me ask you this. How did he treat the media?

[Matt Jones]

Not very well.

[Herm Edwards]

Not very good. Right. So they gonna. They're getting back at him. They gonna make him wait a year. That's just people who hold grudges, you know, that's what they did. That's all. I said that earlier this week. Said, what happened? I said, what is the media? Remember, he's getting one of his answers. We're moving on. Did not want to interview the winningest coach in the last 10 years. Always going to Super Bowls. He had. He had, you know, two comments. Yeah.

[Caller or Guest]

No.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah. I mean, he couldn't get nothing out of the guy. That's how he was. And so now it's their turn. They flip the slip. They flip the script on him and say, okay, yeah, you get in the hall of Fame, but you ain't getting on the first one. You don't have to wait.

[Myron Metcalf]

Do you think that that's not right?

[Herm Edwards]

Right or wrong, that's what they did. They held a grudge. He getting in the hall of fame. Stop, Guy. He's already a hall of fame guy. Come on.

[James (Producer or Sports Analyst)]

Stop.

[Herm Edwards]

That's what they did.

[Caller or Guest]

Come on.

[Herm Edwards]

You guys know that. You shouldn't even ask me that question. You know that.

[Matt Jones]

That was. Myron wanted me to ask you. I didn't want to ask.

[Herm Edwards]

Both you guys are the media. See, I don't consider myself a media person. I really don't.

[Matt Jones]

See, but you can't have it both ways. You don't get to be.

[Caller or Guest]

No, I don't.

[Matt Jones]

I never said I'm a media person. You gotta pick one.

[Herm Edwards]

You're a media dipper. Now, here's the difference. Here's the difference. Here's the difference. I relate myself as this. And I hate saying this. I hate saying this. I'm a celebrity. I'm not a media person. Leave it at that. Just leave it at that. That's how I get away with it. I just. Well, he's a celebrity. He don't know what he's doing. He don't know what he's doing. So then you can get away with it, right? Celebrity. I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm just a celebrity. Don't believe what I.

[Matt Jones]

Celebrity.

[Myron Metcalf]

Is this.

[Matt Jones]

Let me ask, are these good? Are these Good Morning America? Are these Good Morning America reps getting to your head a little bit?

[Myron Metcalf]

I love it.

[Herm Edwards]

I've always been that way. As soon as I took the job, they said, what do you mean? I said, I'm celebrity, man. I don't know what I'm talking about. Don't listen to me. I have no idea what I'm talking about. I'm just talking, man.

[Matt Jones]

Talk your talk.

[Myron Metcalf]

Come on, man. You know what?

[Herm Edwards]

You know what I learned a long time ago? You know, I learned a long time ago, I tell player this too. They sell players this too. Beside, how you living? Just do you, man? Just do you. Don't try to be anybody else. Just do you. And if you do you, people will get it whether they like it or not. They want you to be sincere. They want you to be who you are. And I always tell people, I'm just gonna do me, man. I ain't trying to be this guy, that guy. I'm just do me.

[Matt Jones]

You're just doing you, and you're a celebrity. That's exactly right.

[Herm Edwards]

What? And trust me, I didn't dub myself celebrity. Other folks did that. So I just run with it now, okay? Yeah, whatever that means. I look at my wife you just embraced it. You just embrace celebrity.

[James (Producer or Sports Analyst)]

You know what she said?

[Herm Edwards]

I tell my wife, honey, I'm a celebrity. She said, yeah, you know what? Empty the garbage because it's kind of full right now. Okay. That kind of humbles you.

[Matt Jones]

You are a celebrity, though.

[Myron Metcalf]

I respect that, though.

[Matt Jones]

Are you gonna be at the Super Bowl, Herm?

[Herm Edwards]

No, I'm gonna. I'm going back to Bristol.

[Caller or Guest]

It's right.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'll be there, too, man.

[Matt Jones]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna be out there. I was wanting to see you. I was. I thought you'd be there, you know, pitching something on Media Row. You're not doing that?

[Herm Edwards]

No, I never do that. You know, guys never see me there. Come on down. You. Oh, you only about an hour, hour and 20 minutes now, Carmel, Come on.

[Matt Jones]

Don't ask.

[Herm Edwards]

Come visit me. I'm gonna be here until Friday.

[Caller or Guest]

Make you.

[Matt Jones]

I'll make you host if you're not careful.

[Myron Metcalf]

And Coach lives. I mean, he lives on a golf course. Right, Coach?

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

We gotta go. We got everything, man. Take y' all out to lunch. I mean, come on, man. You guys, come on.

[Matt Jones]

You can't turn that down. I might. I might come down. I might come. I'll even pay for your steak, cuz. I don't want celebrities paying for their own meals.

[Herm Edwards]

All. All you got to do is just as long as before Friday, because I leave Friday. But I'm here. I'm here all week until Friday.

[Myron Metcalf]

You gotta take them up on that.

[Matt Jones]

Wanna drive down?

[Herm Edwards]

Wanna drive down?

[Matt Jones]

I may take you up on that.

[Myron Metcalf]

I may take you up on.

[Herm Edwards]

Man, y' all come on. Come on down.

[Matt Jones]

Before we go, let me ask you a question. I don't know if you saw the boxer yesterday. He got hit in the face and his hairpiece came off.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

You ever had. You ever know anybody with. You ever know anybody with a hairpiece and had any bad hairpiece incidents?

[Herm Edwards]

No. I knew some guys with hair pieces.

[Caller or Guest]

But.

[Herm Edwards]

The hair piece was so bad it was almost. They needed to take it off anyway. But I don't even know. Did you ever say, you know, all hair?

[Myron Metcalf]

You know that.

[Matt Jones]

No, they're not.

[Herm Edwards]

They're not all created equal now, you know, some people got hair pieces on you like, bro, that ain't helping. You need to just take it off.

[Myron Metcalf]

I think that dude got his off, like a street corner somewhere.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

Near the fight.

[Herm Edwards]

Yeah, he bought. He bought that at the swap shop or something like that.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Herm Edwards]

There ain't no real hair piece. The real hair pieces they own. That ain't no, no, no, no, no. First of all, if you're doing that, what you need a hairpiece for anyway, man? You getting the hit in the head half the time. You, you, you, you box.

[Matt Jones]

He's a celebrity from Carmel, California. I may come see him this week. I'm getting excited. Herm Edwards, thank you very much for your time.

[Herm Edwards]

My pleasure, man. Thanks for having me on.

[Matt Jones]

There we go. I love, I love. He's my favorite.

[Myron Metcalf]

I want to get to that age where I could say something offensive and then just say, I'm gonna leave that alone and just kind of wipes it out. Like, I just want to get to that age. I could say something and just erase whatever I just said.

[Matt Jones]

888. Say ESPN. We gotta take a couple calls after this. James, you gotta send me Herm's number. I think he would.

[Myron Metcalf]

You should go do that right now.

[Matt Jones]

While I'm there. I may have to do it. We'll be back here. I'm Matt Myron on ESPN Radio.

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[Myron Metcalf]

Matt and Myron, the podcast.

[Matt Jones]

Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio. On Twitter, people love her. One person writes, there's no better radio than when Herm Edwards joins Matt Myron. Always a great listen. He's the best. He's a celebrity.

[Myron Metcalf]

That's my favorite thing he's ever said.

[Matt Jones]

I think I. To me, we should just like, he should just be on the show. So, like, forget about talk about football. Just let him talk about life. I think it's much more interesting. Right?

[Myron Metcalf]

He's great. And then I love. I want to get to that age where, like, you can say something that would be offensive, but then you just say, I'm gonna leave that alone, and it just erases whatever you just said.

[Matt Jones]

A lot. He had a lot of great things in one segment. The whole black Santa conversation. How you. How you living? I'm a celebrity. Like, I mean, he gave us a lot in just 15 minutes. So we got read in Houston. We got read in Houston who says he understands the whole hair products thing with Myron, who's trying to grow a beard and have a beard implant. Go ahead, read.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay.

[Caller or Guest]

All right. So first off, Matt, the Beyonce hair care products are real. All the ladies in Houston, I guess, across America, they went out and bought this stuff like crazy. But my men, too. I took my. I took my son to the barbershop, and his barber is bald like myself. One day, I show up, this guy has hair, and I'm like, dude, what did you do? He had been growing his hair out secretly under his head, and he shaved his head, like, the hair that would grow. And he made a man unit out of his own hair.

[Matt Jones]

Wow. A man. Like a. Like a piece. He made a piece.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah, he made his. His own toupee of source out of his own hair. And that's.

[Myron Metcalf]

So you saying I could probably put.

[Matt Jones]

My hair back to a second on my beard. You said. You said the women are using Beyonce's products. I. I believe that, but am I the only one that thinks it's weird that he wants to use them to grow hair on his face as a man?

[Myron Metcalf]

Men are using them. There's a. There's a. There's a little, like, subculture of men who are using.

[Matt Jones]

Know any men that are using them?

[Caller or Guest]

I know a few guys. They're not using Beyonce products, but they're desperately trying to grow beers because they don't have a strong one like myself.

[Myron Metcalf]

See, that's all Eric. See, that's why I don't like. You know, since the problem with the beard people. You see what you said, they don't have a strong one like myself. There's a little bit of arrogance in you beard people, and I think that's kind of what makes me feel jealous sometimes, you know, it's a great thing to have a beard, but you don't have to talk down to those of us who don't have beards, you know? I don't like that. That doesn't feel necessary to me.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I appreciate the call. I. You know, so as I get older, like, myself, as I get older, the hairline recedes a little bit. And I've considered, like, well, is there anything you could do? Could you put some. Could you put some transplants, etc. But I agree with you. It is hard to get information, because if you just, like. If you just Google it, you got a lot of stuff coming on that you probably don't want. And so somebody's got to know a person. But I have to feel like there's nobody whose recommendation is put Beyonce's hair products on your face. I don't think there's anybody that recommends.

[Myron Metcalf]

That go to the tiktoks. Like, Beyonce's, like, saving people's hairlines. There's, like, dudes all across America who are like, I invested. So I saw a TikTok, and this dude said Beyonce had, like, really made his hair more full. So I went into the place, and I was like, hey, can you take me to the Beyonce stuff? And they were like, what? I was like, beyonce? And then I was asking them what to buy, and then she kind of just ignored me. You know, she wouldn't really tell me what to buy, so I just kind of threw a bunch of things in a shopping cart kind of thing. Oh, so wait a minute.

[Matt Jones]

You decided to do your own concoction?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, she wouldn't help me. She walked away. Like, she took me to the Beyonce section, but then she wouldn't walk me through what to get, so I just kind of threw stuff in a basket and then bought it. But no, I mean, he makes me think, though, could I grow. Could I turn my hair into my own beard? I mean, that's something I never thought about until now.

[Matt Jones]

It sounds gross. Jeremy in Michigan. Go ahead, Jeremy.

[Caller or Guest]

All right, guys. So the bell check situation, not getting first ballot. So we all know it's a little bit suspect. So you know what could be done about it. So here's my thought. So just like, the jury has a judge to keep an eye over things. The voters, which would be the jury in this situation, need some kind of a higher power, which would be a judge who knows a lot about the people coming in to the hall of fame, knows about all our statistics, whether, you know, they really should be or not. And then if something gets skewed to the point where it's like, okay, something's really not right here, Things can still be kept private.

[Matt Jones]

So who would that. But who would that person be? Who would that be?

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah. So they, number one, they would have to be old. Number two, I really would not trust, like, NFL right now.

[Matt Jones]

So who's it going to be? Like, you're giving absolute power over the hall of Fame to one person. And I feel like we've seen in recent years that you give a lot of power to one person. They can be corrupt.

[Herm Edwards]

That's true.

[Caller or Guest]

If you give a power to any one person, eventually they could turn corrupt. You just have to go by, okay, has this person really been trustworthy throughout their life? Do they have, like the least bit possibility of being.

[Myron Metcalf]

Who is it? Who is it?

[Matt Jones]

Who picks, who picks the person?

[Caller or Guest]

I will honestly say, like, bring all of, like the owners of the NFL.

[Matt Jones]

Team because they're all, they're all definitely above board. If there's ever been a group of people that we can trust, it's the NFL owners.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know if that's the line. I don't know. I don't know if that's the group.

[Matt Jones]

888 say ESPN. We will talk about Belichick not going into the hall of Fame. And I promise you at some point I'm gonna get to Paul George. It's Matt Jones and it's Beyonce. Bearded Myron Metcalf. That's next here on Matt Myron on espn.

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[Myron Metcalf]

Matt and Myron the podcast.

[Matt Jones]

It is ESPN Radio. Matt Myron this is what was walked. This is what was playing when Myron walked into the Sephora.

[Myron Metcalf]

They wouldn't help me. That's the one thing I didn't understand. Like I was asking questions.

[Matt Jones]

Well, you know, you weren't there. You weren't their target demographic. Apparently for the hall of Fame, Bill Belichick wasn't their target demographic because he did not make that's what I do. He did not make the first bow of the hall of Fame. He fell short of the 40 out of 50 votes needed for induction, which means at least 11 of the 50 people did not pick him. Now, I knew nothing about what the standard was for the hall of Fame until this happened. Apparently for reasons that I don't really understand. They've thrown the coaches and the owners in with the veteran players and everyone has to choose from that group and only three people can make it in. And apparently people there were a lot of folks that rather Roger Craig, for instance, is someone who was up Belichick was against. I don't really understand that. To me, Myron, you should just say, well, why don't we compare coaches with other coaches? But apparently that's not what they do. And now the hall of Fame is considering changing their voting process because of the Belichick not making it. What do you make of all this? Jordan Hudson's going to throw a party for Bill to help make him feel better. Do you think someone needs to help make him feel better?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, yeah, the voters to put them in. I mean, part of it is I think the hall of Fame process is a challenge in and of itself. Like I think we give people too many opportunities to get in. Like I'm all about, you're either a first ballot hall of Famer, you're not. Because I just think there are too many people in the hall of Fame. But even if you're voting with other guys and other potential candidates, Bill Belichick has to be a first ballot hall of Famer, because if he's not, then who is? And I think this is one of those things where if in fact the reports are true that Bill Polian, who was running the cold, who was an enemy of Bill Belichick during his time in the NFL, if he was encouraging people to not vote for him and this was political or this was influenced by people wanting to teach Bill a lesson for a Deflategate and Spygate. It's just wrong because you don't want to get into the morality thing in the NFL hall of Fame. That's not a situation you want put the best in. And he clearly is one of the best coaches of all time, if not the best coach of all time. Don't play games about this process.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, you don't want to play games about. Does show the absurd. I hate all the hall of Fames. I have a whole all three of the. I don't know anything about the NHL hall of Fame. It might work out well, but the other three are all fraudulent in their own ways. All right, The NBA hall of Fame, Basketball hall of Fame allows too many people in. Like, if you're just good, it's a Hall of. It's a Hall of Good. Like one day, like a first ballot hall of Famer in basketball is going to be like DeMar DeRozan and have you ever had a moment where you were excited about a DeMar DeRozan game, but he'll be first ballot hall of Fame because they just let everybody in so that. So the basketball hall of Fame is kind of worthless because there's too many people in. The baseball hall of Fame is worthless because they have decided they are the moral police. They decided they need to tell me how I should live rather than have people in. So I would argue three or four of the best of the seven best baseball players of my life are not in it. Pete Rose is not in it. Barry Bonds is not in it. Roger Clemens is not in it. That's ridiculous. A rod is not in it. Like, how are you going to have a Hall of Fame where four of the eight best players of my lifetime are not allowed in? And then the football hall of Fame is ridiculous because it feels like it's like an Ivy League frat club. I see that one dude, they roll him out every year and he just shows up at people's house. And is like, hey, you're in the hall of Fame, but who is that? I don't even know who that guy is. He only shows up. He seems to only come on the television and surprise everybody on tv. He's wearing a bizarre colored jacket every time he comes in. And you get situations like this where you have to have a mathematical equation to understand who gets in. We are only allowing six people in if they have the third proper infrastructure of the six committees. It's like, dude, we know Bill Belichick should be in. So I think all the hall of Fames are dumb, but this is maybe the most egregious. Ichiro the year he didn't get unanimous because somebody just decided not to vote for him. To me, all of these are fraudulent. This is just the latest example.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I mean, it's. It's. You're giving people power and then people can abuse that at the end of the day. And you know Terrell Owens, it took him three times. Yeah. Because people are like, we didn't like the way Terrell Owens acted with the media. So we're going to keep him out. It shouldn't be about that. But that's the thing. Like, just give me the best players. And again, you don't want to get into the morality thing and run through all of these hall of Fames and decide who should be in and who should be out. That's my concern. Don't just make the morality thing about one person if you're not going to do it for everybody else. Because if that's the case, we're going to pull a lot of people out of these hall of Fames. Give us the best players of all time. That's the bottom line. And anything away from that, I think, affects the integrity. Integrity of the actual hall of Fame. But I'm fine with taking people's votes. If there are people who didn't vote for Belichick, there should be some sort of committee to review that. You should have to be held accountable. And I'm fine with people pulling your vote.

[Matt Jones]

Do you think the media should be picking this to begin with? Just as a starting point? Do you think people like me and you should pick who makes the hall of Fame?

[Myron Metcalf]

But I mean, I vote on a bunch of national awards in basketball. I think any group can be biased. Like, there are people who say, well, get people who play at the game. Have you talked to some of these former players? They're all going to pick their buddies and people that they want to acknowledge who affected them in Their careers. So I don't know that you hire. There's a way to get any unbiased group. I just think there has to be a review. Like, if someone does something that's egregious, they should be held accountable, take their vote for a year. Like, okay, we looked at your board, and you went away from what the majority of the voters did. And this seems ridiculous. You don't get to vote until 2028. I think that's okay for me.

[Matt Jones]

I would make it, like, scientific. I would create some sort of numerical standard that decided whether people got it. And I don't know what that standard is, but maybe it is, you know, a statistical standard. It is the amount of times you made all pro or the amount of times you did, you know, you ranked the players at the end of the year. How often were you in the top 15 or the top 10? Like, I think the individual people decision, it's just it. To me, that's where it screws itself up. And I think it would be nice if, like, you had a situation where you go, okay, if you score 20 points a game this year, you're in the hall of Fame and, like, you're playing towards it. There can be a moment you hit it and you cry, and you're not just old and hugging a guy in an orange coat. I think those would be, like. I think that would actually make it a more fair and balanced system. That'll never happen. But to me, that would actually be a better way to do it.

[Myron Metcalf]

These are the moments when I knew. Know that you were in AP Math. Like, these are the moments when, like, when you're like a statistical analysis of the mathematical equation. Like, that's. That's what I know. Like, you took. You were at ap, Matt. I could tell, like, you were in. They tried to put me in.

[Matt Jones]

I took calculus and I took all the AP classes, man.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes, they tried to convince. They made me sign up for trigonometry one year, and they're like, mine, you can do it. And then they sat me in the front of the class, and it was clear right away I couldn't do it. Like, but they made me do it. Cause they wanted me. They wanted me to try something. Why you want me to try something in this math? Send me back to my other math class, man.

[Matt Jones]

Why was it clear you couldn't do it, man?

[Myron Metcalf]

I remember the first class. They were calling on people to ask, like, what X to the Z times the speed of light was. And I was like, ma', am, I don't really know what's happening. I raised my Anatoly. I was like, ma', am, I don't really know what's happening. You know?

[Matt Jones]

Well, I'll give you a good example of something you might have done in my calculus class. If. When you have calculus oftentimes back then, maybe this is true. Now the answers are in the back of the book. Because the point of calculus is not the answer. The point is how you get to the answer. Right. So you have to be able to show how it happened. Well, I had a friend in one of my classes that was kind of like, you probably shouldn't have been in there. Right. Like, didn't work as hard at it, maybe cheat. And so he incorrectly thought you could just copy the answers out of the back of the book and it would be okay and not show your work. So one day we were in class. I'll just say his name was Eric. And you had to trade papers, and you would read what the person you had's paper said for the answer. And I had Eric's paper. And the teacher called on me and said, okay, question six. What does Eric have? And as soon as I looked down, I knew Eric was. Was screwed. And I almost. I didn't want to throw Eric under the bus.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

But I said, she goes, matt, what did Eric have for number six? And I wrote, answers may vary. He had written down from the back of the book, answers may vary. I mean, he basically just said, I'm cheating, and I need everyone to know that I am cheating. Answers may vary.

[Myron Metcalf]

I understand, though. You feel like you're in a bind when they throw you in that. And then for me, they put me in the front of the class, and I think there was a photographer who showed up. I knew I was in that class. I was in the brochure the next year. You know, I knew why I was in it. So that was no mistake.

[Matt Jones]

You're in the brochure. And it's like. They're like, myron, will you please smile, please?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I was. I was a dude smiling about all the diversity in our math classes at the high school. I was like, why? Why am I in the front, by the way? I don't sit in the front seat. I didn't last two weeks. I moved right back to the other math class.

[Matt Jones]

Answers may vary. 888 say it's two squared. I don't know all that.

[Myron Metcalf]

What'S X squaring stuff for.

[Matt Jones]

We will talk more. We got Andy in Maine, Jason in Houston. And we got more here on Matt Myron on ESPN Radio.

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[Matt Jones]

Matt and Myron the Podcast It's Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio presented by Progressive Insurance. Progressive commercial insurance protects small businesses with affordable coverage options. Quote [e-mail] before we go to take a pick, Myron, I want to give you a great moment. I love great moments in sports, even if it's not sports that you normally follow. So I'm going to give you the setup here. You know the Champions League, right? In soccer, they bring all the best teams around Europe, and they played against each other, right? They have eight games. There were 30, I think 36 teams. Eight games. All right? And at the end of it, the 24 teams with the best records, they move on. Okay, so now, Ben Fika. Do you know where Benfica is, Myron?

[Myron Metcalf]

Somewhere over there, across the ocean, Somewhere over there.

[Matt Jones]

But over there it is in Portugal. Okay, okay. And they are coached by Jose Mourinho. Do you know who Jose Mourinho is? He's. He's a legendary coach. He coached Real Madrid to a Champions League title. He coached Chelsea, he coached Tottenham. He's coached all these things. And he's considered to be the most arrogant coach. Like, who's the most arrogant coach in America's sports? Who do you think that's also successful? Who's arrogant and very successful?

[Myron Metcalf]

Patino, probably. I mean, is it patino?

[Matt Jones]

But imagine Patino, though, who just loved to tell you how good he was. As a matter of fact, Jose Mourinho, he calls himself the chosen one, okay? The chosen one. He calls himself. He calls himself the chosen one, okay? Can you imagine having the gall and confidence to call yourself the chosen one? Right?

[Myron Metcalf]

Man. Not many have ever done that.

[Matt Jones]

Not many have ever done that. So he is kind of at the end of his career. His career has tailed off. Kind of like Patino when he went out to Greece and coached and coached at Iona. So he's in Benfica. In order to make the final, the next round, Myron, Benfica has to beat Real Madrid. It's Moreno's four. I'm sorry, I said the chosen one. He calls himself the special one. Sorry, Special. I'm not sure if that's better or not. All right, so they have to play his former team, Real Madrid, Myron. A legendary team, maybe the best team in Europe. So Benfica is playing them, all right? Benfica pulls off an amazing upset. They're winning 3 to 2 with, like, a minute left. But here's what they don't realize. They don't realize that due to the results in the other games, they're going to have to score even though they've won and they're celebrating. They have to score one more goal to move on because of bowl differential. Do you understand? So they've had this moment of ecstasy that they're going to win and Then they realize, oh, no, we won't win unless we score one more goal. So there's one play left in the game. One play. They bring their goalie up, everyone on the team is up, and they have a free kick. And if they don't score here, Myron, they lose. The guy kicks it and the goalie heads it in. And you see the most wild celebration I've ever in. I've ever seen. The Special One is jumping up and down, rain is pouring, the Benfica fans are going crazy. And here's what it sounded like on the Spanish broadcast of the game.

[Commercial Narrator]

Gracias.

[Matt Jones]

Gracias. I love. How great is that. Champions. Myron Metcalf. We. Is that not.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, we. We have some exciting announcers. We have nothing like that. I mean, that's just a different. A different passion. And I saw the play. It was pretty remarkable. I didn't even know a goalie could do that. I didn't know you could come out.

[Matt Jones]

He had never. This goalie had played for nine years, had never crossed the midfield line in his entire career. And the one time he does, he heads in the winning goal. The Special one beats his former team to go. It is. I was watching it live on crazy. Amazingly, I was watching it. I just went nuts. I don't know where Benfica is. I've never been to Fika. But you know what? I was still very excited about it. And what an awesome moment.

[Myron Metcalf]

Now, that was cool. And then the announcer, like, again, you can't. If you put all the announcers up, right, if you had, like, rankings, the Spanish announcers are gonna be number one in any sport, I think. Yeah, like, they take things to a whole nother level. So that was cool.

[Matt Jones]

I'm very proud of myself for that. I've never even been to Fika, that just came up with that on the fly, and I think that was. I think that was good. All right, it's time to take your pick.

[Myron Metcalf]

We doing it.

[Matt Jones]

All right, let's get started. James, what's up first?

[James (Producer or Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, first Bruins at Lightning. Lightning are favored on DraftKings -218. This is on ESPN television. 6:30pm Eastern. The stadium series game, it's at Raymond James Stadium, where the Buccaneers play in Tampa.

[Matt Jones]

Matt, who you got 65,000 people expected to be out there on a cold day in Tampa, which doesn't happen a lot. I'll take the Lightning. They are as hot as any team in the NHL. I think they beat brought Boston in their home field or home ice.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I mean, I think it's pretty cool that they've been pulling this off in a place like Tampa. I'll, I'll go with the home team. I feel like that crowd really is going to be into it. It's going to be a fun event. That'll be the difference. Give me Tampa Bay.

[Matt Jones]

What's next?

[James (Producer or Sports Analyst)]

All right, Lakers at Knicks. Knicks are favoring minus four and a half points on DraftKings. This one's on ESPN Radio. Coverage begins at 6:30pm Eastern. Also today is the one year anniversary of Luka Doncic being traded to the Lakers.

[Matt Jones]

Worth watching here. This might be the last time LeBron ever plays in Madison Square Garden. I mean, there's a chance depending on if he decides to come back the last time in the world's most famous arena. I think he knows that. Give me the Lakers to get the victory.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I mean, if there's any show that can compete with the Grammys, tonight is probably this game. Just because of what you just mentioned mentioned with LeBron James and Madison Square Garden. I'll take the Lakers, too.

[Matt Jones]

What's next?

[James (Producer or Sports Analyst)]

All right, the Thunder at the Nuggets. The Thunder are a favorites in this one. Minus seven and a half on DraftKings. Oklahoma City has lost four of their last seven games. They now have 11 losses on the season. Matt, who you got?

[Matt Jones]

I'm going to take Oklahoma City, but I will say Denver's played well without Jokic. And then of course the Thunder have, at least for their standards, been struggling. But I still think they get the victory when Jokic comes back, maybe a different result. But for now I'll take Oklahoma City.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yokage is back, so maybe you may want to change your pick today.

[Matt Jones]

I'm taking Denver at home.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I think if yes is yogic. I think they win this game. Give me Jokic and the Nuggets.

[Matt Jones]

What's next?

[James (Producer or Sports Analyst)]

College basketball number three, Alabama. At number 19, Florida. Florida. There's an eight and a half point favorite on DraftKings. This one is on ABC at 1pm.

[Matt Jones]

Big SEC game here. I'm going to take Florida to win, but eight and a half's a lot. Give me Alabama to cover the spread, but I will take Florida to get the win at home.

[Myron Metcalf]

Huge number. I mean, obviously everyone's paying attention to Charles Medio whose career is back second time at Alabama. A big court case this week to see what happens with him. But I think Florida looks like a champion again. I think the Gators win this one.

[James (Producer or Sports Analyst)]

All right, let's do one more here that we have the Pro bowl on Tuesday. NFC against the AFC. Jerry Rice, the coach for the NFC. Steve Young, coach for the AFC. Tuesday, 8pm on ESPN and Disney XD.

[Matt Jones]

Give me the NFC. Jerry Rice is a coach's coach. I'll take it at them.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I'll pick. I'll pick the nfc, too. Give me them.

[Matt Jones]

I didn't really still did the Pro Bowl. What do they do?

[James (Producer or Sports Analyst)]

It's a flag football game now.

[Myron Metcalf]

Of course they do.

[Matt Jones]

Shador is playing, right?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And Joe Flacco. Everybody in. Mr. Flacco, what an awesome promo. It's Matt Myron on ESPN Radio.

[Myron Metcalf]

Thanks for listening to Matt and Myron the Podcast. You can listen to the show live every Sunday morning at 10am Eastern on ESPN radio, the ESPN app, and on Sirius XM channel 80. Matt and Myron, the podcast.