Hour 3: Jack Sikma, I'm Sorry

Summary

Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron – Hour 3 Summary

Episode Title: "Jack Sikma, I'm Sorry"
Air Date: January 11, 2026
Hosts: Myron Medcalf, Matt Jones (ESPN Radio)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron" delivers a lively mix of sports talk, playful banter, and pop culture references. Highlights include the always-popular "King of the Mountain" caller competition, a spirited debate about NBA legends and the evolution of basketball, NFL playoff predictions, an unexpected Jack Sikma apology, and a deep dive into the most iconic music videos of the MTV era.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. King of the Mountain: Best Caller Challenge

[00:34 - 15:03]

• Caller Competition Recap: Jonah in Ohio is "King of the Mountain" for the third week, thanks to his humorous take likening Matt and Myron to an "old married couple."

  • Notable Quote (Jonah): "You two are like an old married couple...deep down, I feel your love for each other." [01:30]
  • Matt jokes, "Myron is the old crotchety wife. I am the husband that tries to keep the family together." [01:41]

• Notable Calls:

  • Mitchell in Michigan: Suggests Jesse’s girl grows up to be Stacy’s mom, leading to playful speculation and pop music analysis. [02:19]
  • Barry in North Carolina: Touches on the NFL coaching carousel; gets roasted for using Bluetooth ("You're not gonna be king of the mountain if I'm on Bluetooth." – Matt [04:26])
  • Mike in Oklahoma City: Compares the Dolphins' resurgence to "Rip Van Winkle waking up," throws some shade at Tua ("We can throw Tua out in the ocean with Charlie the Tuna." [05:43])
  • LS in Virginia: Predicts Eagles’ collapse, brings up "Madden curse" (Saquon Barkley), and drops a playful MC Lyte reference. [06:40]
    • Myron: "I still don’t think you should be rapping that, but go ahead." [06:54]
  • Mad Mac in Indiana: Bears fans’ postgame euphoria is compared to Super Bowl celebrations. Myron is supportive: "You won like that. You get to do whatever you want. Celebrate." [09:23]
  • Bill in San Diego: NBA throwback fan, suggests radical fixes ("Only have three-pointers in two quarters, picked at random." [09:45]), sparks discussion of eras and Jack Sikma.
  • Warren in Ohio: Defends Jack Sikma, argues he’d be like "the Joker" (Nikola Jokic) today.
    • Myron: "He wouldn’t be the Joker. He might be the Riddler..." [11:49]
    • Spirited SEC vs. other CFB conferences debate follows.

• Final Judgement: Myron and Matt select LS in Virginia as the segment’s winner, but reigning champ Jonah in Ohio keeps the title. [14:26-14:49]

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2. The Jack Sikma Apology & Sports Talk

[18:29 - 19:40]

• Myron offers a sincere apology for "discrediting" Jack Sikma, admitting he was a “Hooper,” a Hall of Famer, and a Seattle legend.
  • Quote: "Jack Sikma was a Hooper...he had monster years in Seattle and I kind of discredited that...He was really good." – Myron [18:29]
• Matt teases Myron: "It really is a testament to the way you let your mouth get ahead of your brain..." [18:58]

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3. NFL Playoff Preview: Chargers vs. Patriots

[19:40 - 22:10]

• Assessing the Game:
  • Chargers’ constant injury woes remain the narrative ("We always start Chargers conversations with that now..." – Myron [19:40])
  • Drake May faces his first playoff test; Matt frames it as a prove-it game for the Patriots given their “soft” schedule.
  • Debate on whether New England is for real or a product of an easy division/schedule.
    • Matt: "I personally think they're going to play well. This will be an interesting early career test..." [20:22]
  • Both predict the Patriots, but acknowledge if May stumbles, critics will return.

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4. Music Videos: The Mount Rushmore of MTV

[24:54 - 27:31]

• MTV Era Ends: Discussion sparked by MTV's recent discontinuation of music videos.
• Top Three Video Debate:
  • Both agree on Michael Jackson’s "Thriller" as #1 [25:10-25:12].
  • Myron argues for Britney Spears' "Hit Me Baby One More Time" and Run DMC/Aerosmith’s "Walk This Way." [25:21-25:52]
  • Matt selects Guns N’ Roses “November Rain” and Nirvana’s “Smells Like Teen Spirit.” [26:03-26:14]
• Best Rap Video? Tupac’s “California Love” vs. Dr. Dre’s “Nuthin’ But a ‘G’ Thang.” [27:02]
• Fun Interlude: “Baby Shark” comes up with its 7 billion views, but Matt rejects its validity as a classic music video. [39:26]
  • Matt: “This is not about children's nursery rhymes. This is about music videos that were on MTV.” [40:09]

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5. NFL Playoff Picks & Quarterback Rankings

[36:57 - 43:37]

• Game Predictions:
  • Bills at Jaguars: Myron sides with Jacksonville, citing trust in Trevor Lawrence and home-field; Matt picks Buffalo, touts a special teams edge. [37:06-39:16]
  • 49ers at Eagles: Both choose the Eagles, influenced by crowd advantage and perceived one-dimensional Niners offense. [39:19-41:14]
  • Chargers at Patriots: Myron predicts a Patriots win by double digits, doubts Herbert’s ability behind a weak OL; Matt leans Patriots but says it could be close. [41:17-42:59]
  • Texans at Steelers: Both ultimately land on the Steelers due to home field, Tomlin, and Aaron Rodgers’ experience, even as Myron extols the Texans defense. [42:59-43:37]
    • Myron: “Defense has never won a championship in the history of the NFL, in the history of any... It’s the truth...” [42:59]
• QB Top 5 Bit:
  • Myron humorously lists nearly every notable QB as “top five at his best,” leading Matt to joke: “That’s at least eight that are currently in the top. Everybody’s a contender but Sam Darnold.” [32:12-33:07]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Caller (Jonah): "You two are like an old married couple..." [01:30]
• Matt (on tech-challenged callers): "You're not gonna be king of the mountain if I'm on Bluetooth." [04:26]
• Myron (apologizing to Jack Sikma): "Jack Sikma was a Hooper..." [18:29]
• Matt (on music videos): "This is not about children's nursery rhymes. This is about music videos that were on MTV." [40:09]
• Myron (QB Rankings): "No less than nine. I mean, there's a bunch of guys in my top five." [32:12]
• Both (on Eagles-49ers): Side with the home team due to crowd and momentum. [41:14]
• Myron (on NFL defense): "Defense has never won a championship in the history of the NFL..." [42:59]

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Tone & Chemistry

The hosts' friendly, bickering chemistry sets the tone—balancing genuine sports insight with pop culture asides, plenty of self-deprecating humor, and real affection for each other and their listeners. They don’t shy away from playful digs (see: Jack Sikma exchange), and their interactive approach (especially via King of the Mountain) makes listeners integral to the show’s personality.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• King of the Mountain Callers: [00:34 - 15:03]
• Jack Sikma Apology: [18:29 - 19:40]
• Chargers vs. Patriots Previews: [19:40 - 22:10]
• Music Videos Debate: [24:54 - 27:31; 39:19 - 40:09]
• NFL Picks: [36:57 - 43:37]
• Myron’s QB Top 5: [32:04 - 33:07]

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In Summary

This episode delivers what "Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron" does best: honest, informed, and hilarious sports talk, seasoned with cultural references and listener engagement. Whether breaking down NFL matchups, revising history with a Jack Sikma apology, or ranking music videos, Matt and Myron provide a uniquely engaging and approachable springboard into your Sunday sports experience.

Transcript

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[Matt]

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[Matt]

Well, you knew your Kenny Pickett. That was a good prediction. At the time he was still on the Browns. You predicted he'd be on the Raiders and that ended up working out. It's Matt Myron on espn. As you know, every week around this time we try to determine like who's the best caller on espn, you know, who out there knows really good takes. And you get 30 seconds and they can be smart, they can be funny. Hopefully they can be both. And then the reigning champ is the king of the mountain. Now, Jonah in Ohio has been the king of the mountain for the last two weeks. So let's hear what he did. And let's get started with king of the Mountain. Ladies and gentlemen, your winner and new king of the mountain champion, Jonah in Ohio. Go ahead, Jonah. All right, I got you guys.

[Callers]

I've been listening to you for a long time. Love you.

[Matt]

Listen to you every morning on the way to work on Sundays.

[Callers]

Here's my hot take. You two are like an old married couple.

[Matt]

All you do is bicker and argue.

[Callers]

And fight and you have dissent.

[Matt]

But deep down, I feel your love for each other. You really do love each other. You're the old married couple. That's my hot take. And that's held for two weeks because I think it's a pretty good explanation of our dialogue dynamic. Myron is the old crotchety wife. I am the. I am the husband that tries to keep the family together. But nevertheless, we do still love each other and that's where where we are. So let's get started. It's time to go the phones. Can you take down Jonah in Ohio? Let's start with Michael in Michigan. Go Michael. Or Mitchell in Michigan. Excuse me. Go Mitchell.

[Callers]

Yeah, all good boys. Hey, I just got quick take here. We're talking about Jesse's girl and Stacy's mom. I think Jesse's mom eventually grows up to be Stacy's mom. Or Jesse's girl grows up to be Stacy's mom. What do y' all think?

[Matt]

Oh, that's an interesting Take. So Jesse's girl becomes Stacy's mom. Well, she is. She is obviously somebody who. Who men lust over. So maybe it is possible. Which might make Jesse. Jesse is Stacy's dad.

[Myron]

Yeah. Y' all thinking about this too hard. I don't. You know, that's too. That's too much for a Sunday morning. I just said I remember the song, and you all are doing Unsolved Mysteries, but you really. Well, I remember the song. It's the thought that I knew the idea. You all don't give me credit for knowing the idea of the song.

[Matt]

Can I tell you, with your age, Can I tell you the video? I know that you. You did like.

[Myron]

What's that?

[Matt]

You like the video from Prince and the New Power Generation Cream. That is the video that I think you were talking about.

[Myron]

I like this. You know me well, of. That's not.

[Matt]

See, that would have been about the right age. You would have been, like, 13. I remember that video. I'm sure you remember that video. Yeah.

[Myron]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt]

I think that's. I think that's what we're talking about. Let's go to Barry in North Carolina. Barry.

[Callers]

What'S up? First of all, don't know what your thing is with the horrible callers that don't know how to speak or do anything on the phone. Horrible take. No more takes from Harvard calls. Let's start with the coaching carousel. Giants are waiting to see what happens and plays out in these playoffs to see what's going on. All those interviews are fake. They only want talent done. If Tomlin goes, Shane might be gone. There's no way they work together. Next day, let's go to the. To the Miami faithful. You got one shot. I don't think I appreciate it.

[Matt]

Here's the problem. You had me on Bluetooth. I'm telling you, you're not gonna ever be king of the mountain if I'm on Bluetooth. If I'm on Bluetooth or it's. When my mom called me yesterday, and she was trying to talk to me on the phone through her AirPods. And I was like, mom, you have to stop. I. I should have never taught you about AirPods. You've got to stop. You're not gonna be king of the mountain through Bluetooth, Myron, or AirPods.

[Myron]

Well. And don't knock other callers. Don't say, we're bringing in all these bad callers. Like, that's not what the show is about.

[Matt]

You do your take.

[Myron]

Don't worry about the calls we're taking. You do your Thing.

[Matt]

My mom calls me through AirPods. It's all like, you can barely hear it. Then one of them falls out and I'm like, mom, I love you, but you shouldn't try to be technologically savvy. Just pull out the phone and call me.

[Myron]

Yeah. Can we ban people speaking on speakerphone in public? Can we get rid of that? Is that a law we can all support?

[Matt]

I'm with you.

[Myron]

And I.

[Matt]

Honestly, if someone calls a radio show and they're on Bluetooth, I think they should be arrested. At least should be a citation because it never sounds good. I know it's safe, but pull over if you're going to call. Let's go to L or, excuse me, Mike in Oklahoma City. Go, Mike.

[Callers]

Hey, I love you guys. Y' all make me laugh. Every Sunday morning. I just want to talk about the dolphins on the. Finally waking up. Rip Van Winkle, he woke up from his sleep and he saw the light. Hey, I think it's a good move for the Dolphins, and hopefully they're going to get better. They got a lot of good players. They just need somebody to lead them. And if Tua. If he can't do the job, we stick with the rookies. We can throw two out in the ocean with Charlie the Tuna. And I just think it's gonna be a good thing for the Dolphins and hope it work. Hope it works out. Love you guys.

[Matt]

All right. I appreciate it.

[Myron]

Thanks.

[Matt]

Charlie the Tuna. Charlie was an interesting addition. He never mentioned Mike McDaniel being fired, though, which was the central piece, I think, of the call. But remember, by the way, make sure we. These guys have 30 seconds. I'm expecting a buzzer if they go over ls in Virginia. Go ahead, ls.

[Callers]

Hey, how y' all guys doing? I don't call y' all before because you got the roughneck song you took from MC Light, but are y' all ready for the big collapse today?

[Matt]

Get a rough neck? Yes.

[Myron]

I still don't think you should be rapping that, but go ahead.

[Matt]

I don't.

[Myron]

She didn't write it for you to wrap.

[Matt]

Wait a minute. Hang on. Why can't I wrap that before. I don't want to take his call, but why don't I get to rap that?

[Myron]

You get to do a lot of things in life that doesn't mean you should. And I think that's the line that should be drawn.

[Matt]

You didn't like my version of.

[Myron]

Wasn't a version anyone has ever heard.

[Matt]

All right, go ahead, LS Sorry about that.

[Callers]

Oh, that's okay, are y' all ready for the big collapse today? Because Nick Sirianni is out because the 49ers going to take over Philadelphia today, and ain't nobody talking about Saquon Madden curse that he's got on him right now because he's cover old Madden and he did nothing all year. So we gonna go into Philly. We go to win the game. Coach Tanahan, Coach of the Year, and CMC is already a Hall of Famer, and Everybody's tired of A.J. brown. They are dysfunctional.

[Matt]

All right. I mean, I think you did 23 seconds of a great win, and then you kind of didn't come to a conclusion. But still, I liked what you said. Any chance Sirianni couldn't get fired based on today, could he, Myron?

[Myron]

No, he's. He's not getting fired. I mean, they won a Super bowl last year. Um, but. But I do think the thing you brought up will be the thing in the off season if they lose, you know? Do you rest your players in week 18? That's going to be the conversation for him.

[Matt]

Get a rough neck. Gotta get a rough. Like which version?

[Announcer]

That.

[Matt]

The karaoke version? Like, it's the happier vers version. MC Light always sounded angry when she did.

[Myron]

I love MC Light. No, MC Life was happy. I love MC Light.

[Matt]

I'm just doing it more kind of joyous. Like we're all enjoying. We all like the Roughnecks. Mad Mac in Indiana. Go ahead, Mad Mac.

[Callers]

Hey, testing, one, two, three. Hey, quick sidebar. I listen to you guys in Chicago, but you're preempt. You're preempted today. They got Bears talk on and they're planning super bowl parades for the next 15 years here in Chicago after last night's game.

[TJ Watt]

Bears.

[Matt]

Yeah. I mean, that's a little preemptive. But you know what I think my. And again, I'm a Bears fan, Myron. I think Bears fans should be as happy as they want. This is one of the most exciting. It is the most exciting win since the Super Bowl. I mean, even if they have to preempt us, let them have a celebration. Don't you think, Myron?

[Myron]

Yeah. I mean, I have no problem with anything that happened, including Ben Johnson's post game rant against the Packers. I'm fine with it. You won like that. You get to do whatever you want. Celebrate.

[Matt]

You get to say blank the Packers.

[Myron]

Yes.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Myron]

I mean, stop them if you don't want that to happen.

[Matt]

I agree. Bill in San Diego. Go, Bill, man.

[Callers]

Quick fix. For the NBA is totally unwatchable. First you have the three point shot two quarters out of the game, picked it random. Yeah, that behooves you to get a big butt under the basket, learn some post moves. You know, the beautiful mid range game comes back and you get a little more physical. Yeah, that's. Quit running. Quit running with the damn balls. Two, four, six, eight steps.

[Matt]

Bill, can I ask you a question? How old are you, Bill?

[Myron]

How late were you up?

[Matt]

How old are you, Bill? 76.

[Callers]

66.

[Matt]

66. Okay, so what is your ideal time in the NBA? Like, what's the time in the NBA? You think the NBA, what was the best?

[Callers]

The 80s through the early 2000s.

[Matt]

Okay, so the 80s, you know, they were scoring like 88 points a game and like 92 points a game. Beautiful. Why is that beautiful? Just watching. Watching unathletic people hit each other.

[Callers]

No, I don't know if I wouldn't say unathletic. You know, kind of. You had the birds, the magic that, you know.

[Matt]

Do you think Jack. What is it? What was his name? Do you think Jack. Jack Sigma or whatever his name was. Do you think. Do you think he was athletic?

[Callers]

Not particularly.

[Matt]

Okay. But he was good back then because that's what the NBA was. A dude like Jack Sigma could be good. Don't you think this is a higher level of basketball now?

[Callers]

Yes, I do, but I think the three point main thing is taken away from that lot of the basics and that, you know, it's. It's not as dimensional as it used to be. I don't think.

[Matt]

Okay. All right, well, I appreciate the call. I do like his. You can only have a three pointer in two of the quarters drawn randomly.

[Myron]

Yeah, I don't think.

[Matt]

I don't like that. All right, we'll do one more. Warren in Ohio. Go.

[Callers]

What's up, fellas? First of all, I like Jack Sigma and I think he would be like the Joker if the game was like that.

[Myron]

But anyway, no, he wouldn't be that today. He wouldn't be the Joker. He wouldn't be the Joker. He wouldn't be the Joker. He might be the Riddler. He wouldn't be the. Are you kidding me? He's gonna be joking.

[Matt]

Jack Sigma, that's your take. All right, go ahead. He don't let. What? Don't let Myron screw up your thing. Go ahead, Ward.

[Callers]

Okay, so my hot take is that the SEC football is the best football to watch. It is exciting. But the SEC might be the fourth best power forward conference when it Comes to just getting on the field and playing the game, there at least going.

[Matt]

To be a problem.

[Myron]

Jack Sigma was like Jokic. Right.

[Matt]

Okay, let me. I got a question for you, Warren. You. The SEC obviously isn't winning the title and the SEC hasn't won a title in three years. But let me ask you a question. Do you, John, you know, genuinely think that like Teams 9, 10, 11, 12 in the SEC, so like your, your Auburns and your, you know, I don't know, Florida's, etc. Do you think they're not better? LSU? You don't think they're better than say Kansas State and teams like that in the Big 12 or like Pitt and Boston College in the ACC?

[Callers]

Boston College, maybe. Pitt, no.

[Matt]

So you think Pitt could beat lsu?

[Callers]

Yeah, just like Houston was favored. I mean LSU was favorite against Houston and they lost that game.

[Matt]

Houston. But what happens to the SEC in these bowl games is like the SEC's 12th best team has to play the Big 12's like 4th best team. So we are. You do realize that's partially why that happened.

[Myron]

I mean all this is a side note. Have you seen Jokic's stats? Like, have you. Do you understand that this man is doing things that no one has ever done in the history of the game?

[Matt]

What Jack Sigma to be you said.

[Myron]

Jack Sigma would have been yokish in this era. Are you serious? That's the part I can't get over.

[Matt]

Our callers, our contestants. Mitchell in Michigan talk about Jesse's girl, Stacy's mom. And Cream Mike at Oklahoma City talking about the Miami Dolphins. LS in Virginia talks about Sirianni getting fired. Mad Mac in Indiana says the Bears are getting too excited. Bill in San Diego says the NBA stinks. And Warren in Ohio says Jack Sigma is as good as Jokic. Myron, which one do you think is our winner?

[Myron]

I guess we have to pick one. And that's the point.

[Announcer]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah, it's hard.

[Myron]

Mitchell, I don't think that was a sports take. Give me the LS in Virginia.

[Matt]

I'm going to go with LS in Virginia too. He finished a little bit on a down note, but before that, talking about Sirianni and the Eagles, 49ers are going to take over. I think he's our winner, but I don't think Myron, he could take out Jonah in Ohio. Do you agree?

[Myron]

No, I agree with that. Jonah still has the title.

[Matt]

So LS in Virginia is the king today. But the reigning king for week three is Jonah in Ohio. He will defend it again. Next week. And Jack Sigma. Poor Jack Sigma. Just taking strays here today.

[Myron]

Nothing against him but like what's he do now?

[Matt]

Is he. Is he still with us? I hope so.

[Myron]

Yeah, he's alive.

[Matt]

I looked it up when we were talking about it. All right, well, Jack Sigma. Yeah, we still call in and defend your stats against Myron. Feel free. You don't like him. That's next. Chargers and Patriots. I'm Matt Marks.

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[Myron]

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[Matt]

No, this is not the one because you weren't born yet. It's Matt Myron on ESPN Radio presented by Progressive INS Save when you bundle motorcycle, RV and boat insurance, visit progressive.com Myron would like to apologize to the audience.

[Myron]

Yeah, I want to apologize to what I said in the last segment about Jack Sigma. Jack Sigma was a Hooper and I remember Jack Sigma. He played on the Bucks at the end of his career, but he had some. I looked up his stat. Jack Sigma has a monster years in Seattle and I kind of discredited that he's a Hall of Famer. So although I don't think anybody can be Jokic, I did make it sound like Jack Sigma was kind of an afterthought in the NBA. But actually he was really good.

[Matt]

It really is kind of a testament to sort of the way you let your mouth get ahead of your brain in the sense. Yeah, blasted the the city of Cleveland and Jack Sickman. No, the organization and had to apologize to both of those entities. So to Mr. Sigma, I apologize. I believed you to be the talent you are. @metcalf by ESPN did not the Chargers and the Patriots play tonight at 8:00 clock on NBC. Chargers are very banged up, but New England kind of a new you know, had been the playoffs in the last few years. Drake May's first playoff game. It is at home in Foxborough. What do you think about tonight's battle?

[Myron]

It's weird to me a little bit like we always start Chargers conversations with that now. We always talk about how hurt they've been and they are but like the 49ers are banged up. The packers were. There are a lot of teams that have injuries but it feels like that's been the narrative of the Chargers based on like the offensive line injuries and Justin Herbert and how many times he's gotten hit. I think the only way they win this game, Matt, is if you tell me that that defense has some master plan to stop a young Drake May in his first playoff game which. Which that's happened to other guys in this position who were sort of young doing this for the first time. But I don't think anything short of that the Patriots lose this game.

[Matt]

And I think for me this is really a test of Drake May and the Patriots. You know, their schedule is such that if you want to be a skeptic, you can. Right. I mean if you want to be a skeptic of the Patriots, you can. Now I have been a skeptic and have slowly kind of come around on both May and the Patriots. But I can make you a case that could hold up in court that they aren't that great and that they've been a, you know, the schedule has been what's led them to success. However, they're going to have two games, probably this one, and then maybe Jacksonville next week where they have a chance to kind of make people like me shut up and come and, and win. So I think this is a really good test. It's a test for Drake. May. Are you who in a clutch moment against a team that's not the jets that you can come and get a big time victory or are you somebody who feasts against these bad teams and then it's a little different against the good? I personally think they're going to play well. I think they have a chance to win by significant amount. But I do think this will be an interesting early career test and it's to me more about the Patriots than it is the Chargers because if both teams play to their ability, I think Patriots win.

[Myron]

Yeah, I mean I don't like that we talk about the schedule as if there's some SEC team that booked some easy non conference games. Right. I mean you play who you play in the NFL.

[Matt]

I know, but they include the worst conference in the AFC and the worst conference in the NFC and, or excuse me, worst division and their division stinks.

[Myron]

Worst schedule in the league. I mean by according to espn, but they've also had some dominant performances against that competition and they beat a Buffalo team that a lot of people think can win the Super Bowl. So today's a big test I think to put all that noise to bed.

[Matt]

Yeah, I think that it's, you know, also crowd won't be a huge impact probably one way or the other. Chargers don't mind playing. They as we talked about all their games are road games and it's also interesting to see how Justin Herbert plays. But I think this will be about. Are Drake May and the Patriots ready yet? We will know the answer to that. Question a lot more at midnight tonight than we know now. Mike Tomlin. He might be in the same situation as Harbaugh. Does he have to win tomorrow night? That's next.

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[Myron]

Matt and Myron, the podcast.

[Matt]

Wow, he's terrified for him. My goodness, be scared about what's going to happen to the Steelers. Matt Myon on ESPN Radio. This is, I think the video you were thinking about might be because it's like on a car. Tawny catain.

[Myron]

The white snakes, right? Is this the white snakes? Who is this?

[Matt]

I think it's, it's not called the white Snakes. It's just white.

[Myron]

It's, it's singular.

[Matt]

It's not like the white stripes. It's just white snake.

[Myron]

White white snake, not snakes. Right?

[Matt]

Singular snake. Yeah. Not multiple snakes. Just one. It's confusing. And yeah, this is, this was this very legendary song. You know, I. Quincy, this week, Myron, MTV is no longer playing music videos on any station. It ended this week, all music videos. So, like, for people of our age, which led to a conversation on my radio show about the three biggest videos of all time. And I have the answer, but I want to see if you agree with my answer. What are the three biggest, in your opinion, music videos of all time?

[Myron]

Are you talking about that played on MTV like views or you're just saying, like your opinion?

[Matt]

Like if you were to say, you know, they'll say the Godfather's the most important, best movie of all time. What are, what are the most important biggest videos of all time.

[Myron]

Number one is Thriller.

[Matt]

I agree. So we're on the same page. You and I both would say universally thriller is number one. Okay, what else? Let's see if we get the same three. I think that would be impressive.

[Myron]

If you want to talk about impact the generation of the music video in the 2000s. I think hit Me Baby One More Time is actually what Elevated say.

[Matt]

I would say Hippie Baby One More Time is top five. I wouldn't put it in the top three, but I think you're exactly right. Her, Britney and the School girl and all that. It's an iconic image.

[Myron]

I think that was huge. Walk this Way. Run dmc, Aerosmith. I think it's like I would not have had that one cultural component there.

[Matt]

I might have had that 50, but I would.

[Myron]

It literally changed two genres. I mean, it was. It was a big deal. So let me give you my leaving off. What about Guns N Roses, November Rain?

[Matt]

Guns N Roses, November Rain was number two to me because it was like an epic movie kind of thing. So that was number two. And then for me, I think number three is Smells Like Teen Spirit.

[Myron]

I was about to say that. I was about to say Nirvana. I was like, that's the one that changed the culture of music videos.

[Matt]

I totally. So to me, those are the three. And then I have four as Madonna, Vogue. Because, you know, you can't not have a Madonna video. And I thought that was probably the one that made the most sense.

[Myron]

Is Purple Rain a movie to you then is less, not a video? Is that how you see people?

[Matt]

Purple Rain predates it a little bit. I think it's more of a movie than a video. And then I actually had Britney Spears number five. So you and I had a very similar. What do you think's the biggest? Just that before I move on rap video of all time, we were trying to figure that out. Is it nothing but a G thing?

[Myron]

I mean, the biggest rap video, it's probably have to be Tupac, California Love.

[Matt]

I would think that's bigger than nothing but a G thing. I mean, I could feel like.

[Myron]

Well, just the video, the time, everything that was happening. Remember, like, hip hop wasn't getting the. The cultural reception until like late 80s, early 90s. No, it was. It was NWA the police. Blank.

[Matt]

The Police. No, that's not true.

[Myron]

That was. That was you. They were getting pulled off stages in concerts. It was.

[Matt]

I know, but nobody. Like now people don't know what that video is. I think.

[Myron]

I think they made a movie about it, but I don't I don't remember the video.

[Matt]

I don't even remember what the video.

[Myron]

We're just talking about the video.

[Matt]

I'm. I honestly don't even remember what the video looks like. Like. So I'm going to say I could accept California love. It would either be that or nothing but a G thing for me now. Texans Steelers transitioning to the obvious Aaron Rodgers transition play tonight in Pittsburgh Texans with arguably the best defense in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers is 42 years old. You heard that intro with people including Marcus Spears saying they feel sorry for the Steelers, that they have no chance. Well, if so, Houston's only a three point favorite tomorrow night. Do you see the Texans as demon? Some people think this is the least competitive of the first round games. What do you think?

[Myron]

I don't. The defense is incredible like that. D' Ameco Ryan's led defense. Miko Ryan's just done such an incredible job and I think in a normal year, certainly one or two in coach of the year. But there have been so many candidates who kind of brought their teams back or brought them from sort of the depth, if you will. But that Houston Texans defense is amazing. And this is the worst matchup for a guy in his early 40s trying to avoid all that pressure that they bring. So I agree with that. At the same time, you've got to tell me that C.J. stroud is going to show up and be what he needs to be because I think that Pittsburgh Steelers defense can also make life hard on him. But I think this is a great test for Aaron Rodgers. I wouldn't want to face that defense at his age.

[Matt]

People keep saying at his age, like, are you genuinely worried that they're going to carry him out like in a Bugs Bunny cartoon on a. Like, like why, why is. What's that? He's played. As much as I don't like him, he's played pretty well the last few weeks, don't you think? I mean, the last two weeks he was hurt by receivers dropping passes and like, I mean I, I think the loss two weeks ago was on DK Metcalf. And you know, if, if Baltimore had won, it would have been the same.

[Myron]

You remember that bears 30 for 30 to 85 bears where they just had a segment where all those defensive guys talked about the way they hit quarterbacks, right? And they were just, just going through like, you know, forearm and you know, knock them out. Like that's how the Texans play. Like they're, they're the most vicious defense I think in the league and when they bring pressure, I don't know that any quarterback would have a good time against that. Aaron Rodgers at his best is a guy who's going to try to get the ball out fast. DK Metcalf being eligible, I agree that means a lot. But in the playoffs, Matt, you know it. Nothing is about the script. Nobody sticks to the script. You can't. So Aaron Rodgers off.

[Matt]

Do you think the crowd the home field for the Steelers on a Monday night when Pittsburgh's had all that time to get. Get themselves excited, they walk across that bridge and here we go with the fans going nuts at night. Do you think that matters?

[Myron]

I think the Steelers fan base is one of the best in the world, but they've had access to that all season and they still kind of limp to the finish line.

[Matt]

But this will be a different crowd. I mean, this will be a great crowd.

[Myron]

Yes. But what would it also be is a Texans defense that can neutralize that crowd really early. Like it's going to be a Texas defense that can kind of say, all right, you might go into the second quarter. This is what Green Bay did in Chicago before they blew the lead in the second half. If you could score early and the Texans can, you can change the whole environment.

[Matt]

I. What about a C.J. stroud offense? I mean, the, the, the Steelers defense still has been relatively good this year. Can a CJ Stroud off led offense actually put enough points on the board?

[Myron]

I mean, that's my question, though. I think C.J. stroud has been protected by this Houston Texans defense. Like, we talk more about that than we do about C.J. stroud.

[Matt]

Who C.J.

[Myron]

Stroud comes out the gate and he's this phenomenal quarterback. We saw him kind of take a step back last year even though they were a playoff team. I think he's had some big moments this year. But Matt, we talked about him. The things we were saying offline about is Caleb Williams, Drake May, are those guys suddenly going to be top 10? Remember, after his rookie year, we were talking about CJ Stroud as top five. Like that wasn't a crazy conversation.

[Matt]

Which is why, by the way, I held off doing that with Jaden Daniels last year.

[Myron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Much to your and other chagrin. And I think that's ended up being a good hold off.

[Myron]

I like putting guys in the top five right away. Like, I'd rather be wrong later, but I like just elevating them. How many people are in?

[Matt]

Are you like Dick Vital who has every team in the tournament, like, how Many. How many people do you have in the top five?

[Myron]

No less than nine. I mean there's, there's a, there's a bunch of. There's a bunch of guys in my top five.

[Matt]

So. All right, so who's in your top five? Moms, My home's in top five. Allen's in the top five. Is Burrow still in the top five?

[Myron]

Yes. Healthy Burrow.

[Matt]

Is Lamar still in the top five?

[Myron]

Lamar's in top five. Dad Prescott.

[Matt]

Is Drake May in the top five?

[Myron]

Drake Mays in the top five at his best.

[Matt]

Is Matthew Stafford in the top five?

[Myron]

Matthew Stafford's in the top five. If Jaden Daniels is healthy, he's in the top five. Top five for me, if it'd be.

[Matt]

What about after last night? Is Caleb Williams in the top five?

[Myron]

He's not, but I mean he's in the top 10 convo if he keeps playing like that.

[Matt]

What about Justin Herbert? Is he in the top five before.

[Myron]

The injuries and if they will protect him, I think he's in the top five.

[Matt]

All right, so you've got. That's at least eight that are currently in the top. Everybody's a contender but Sam Darnold. Top five.

[Myron]

Oh, yeah. Put, put Salmon. Save us. Save the same 5. Save a spot for. Save a spot for Sam.

[Matt]

All right, so in this game, you get to the fourth quarter, let me put it like this. If Houston's up 14, obviously they're in good shape. But let's say you get to the fourth quarter, it's a three point game with that crowd with Aaron Rodgers. Would you flip it to then at that point saying advantage Steelers?

[Myron]

Yes, because that to me is where the edge of inexperience goes to Aaron Rodgers. And again, I think DK Metcalf being back is a big deal. I think a lot of the Steelers struggles offensively. Aaron Rodgers was throwing passes that he had his big receiver to. To take before the suspension. Now that he's back, that's a different thing. And I think the fourth quarter, close game. I think Aaron Rodgers can close the show better than CJ Stroud. But that defense is going to be the most important thing what Houston does.

[Matt]

J.J. mcCarthy top five.

[Myron]

J.J. mcCarthy ain't not. He might not be an NFL quarterback. That's what they have to figure out with the Vikings who stumbled into eight wins somehow by the way and beat the Bears.

[Matt]

So not a terrible Falcon stumbled into eight wins.

[Myron]

That's wild.

[Matt]

Nobody ever talks about that as well. All right, so after all these games and all these predictions and all these music video rankings, we still got to tell you who's going to actually win these games and we're going to do that. Do we have a celebrity guest?

[Myron]

No, not this week. I fell through the one I was trying to get.

[Matt]

Who are you trying to get?

[Myron]

It's a secret.

[Matt]

Why is it a secret?

[Myron]

Because I don't want to tell you guys who it was.

[Matt]

Why don't you want to tell me?

[Myron]

Why does it matter? I know.

[Matt]

It just would be exciting to know. It's kind of like you try to.

[Myron]

Get mad or something, man. Like who is. No, not Madonna. But you know, in that category.

[Matt]

So is this somebody you might bring back? Are you getting Britney Spears?

[Myron]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're continually working on and hopefully we get them before the end of this season.

[Matt]

Well, so we will not have a celebrity guest picker. We'll just have the tease of a potential celebrity guest picker and we will make our picks next here on Take youe pick on ESPN radio.

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[Myron]

Matt and Myron the podcast.

[Matt]

It's Matt Myron here on ESPN Radio. While they talk, Al Green B hits. We're going to get you ready for for the games. Four more left in the playoffs after the Bears and the Rams have both moved on already to the divisional round. We've got four games. I've got the expert, Meyer Metcalf and I like to talk. So let's go ahead and pick it. It is time for take your pick.

[Myron]

Take your pick.

[Matt]

You take your pick.

[Myron]

It's time to take your pick with Matt and Myron.

[Matt]

All right, let's get started. What's the first game?

[Myron]

Bills at Jaguars.

[Matt]

Jacksonville. The pools are ready. They are just a few minutes away from kickoff. Josh Allen, in a year that we agree is a legacy year for him. Myra Metcalf, who do you like? Jacksonville's a one and a half point favorite.

[Myron]

Yeah, I mean, everyone's saying that this is Josh Allen's year, but they're not telling me how he's going to achieve it. That's the weird part. Like, no one's telling me. What do you believe in on that Buffalo Bills team that makes you feel like the Bills can make a run? Do you believe in Sean McDermott? Probably not.

[Matt]

Do you believe in that defense?

[Myron]

Right, but that's about it. You don't believe in anything outside of Josh Allen being miraculous and James Cook, who feeds off of whatever Josh Allen does, being really good, too. That Jacksonville team, that defense can really hurt you. Trevor Lawrence is playing the best football of his career, I think you would say. Matt, you trust the staff in Jacksonville more than you do with Buffalo. I think Liam Cohen has been an offensive genius who's turned this team around. And you're telling me Jacksonville has a home game for the first time in years in the playoffs, and that atmosphere is just going to be ridiculous. I think you have to give Jacksonville the edge. There are just more ways, I think, for the Jacks to win than the Bills.

[Matt]

I don't have to do anything, all right? I only have to live and pay my taxes. So I'm going to. I'm going to.

[Myron]

I thought you were going to say be black and die like that's what black people say. I got it up there. Be black and die. I was like, wait a minute, man.

[Matt]

I think that's my life. I think if I say be black, people are not necessarily going to like it as much as you do. So I'm going to go ahead and take Buffalo. I got Josh Allen. You can have who you want. You give me Josh Allen. Here's going to be the secret first team all pro NFL. Ray Davis is going to run a kickback. He was the first team all NFL kick returner. He's going to show you the former cat, not that I'm biased, is running a kickback today. And that, Myron, will be the difference as the Bills win by three.

[Myron]

It could be. No.

[Matt]

Yeah. I was trying to get a reaction. Now let's go to the next one.

[Myron]

Yeah. 49ers at Eagles.

[Matt]

49Ers and Eagles. Brock Purdy, Jalen Hurts. What do you got?

[Myron]

Side note on our music video conversation. Baby Shark. Most viewed video of all time. 7 billion views. Just so you know. 49ers.

[Matt]

What's Baby Shark? Is that Katy Perry?

[Myron]

No, that's the. That's the. No, that's that song. Baby Shark did a doo.

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[Myron]

To do. Baby. That's the biggest. Do you live in a cave? It's the biggest thing ever. Seven billion views. It's the biggest video of all times.

[Matt]

I've never even heard Baby Shark. Who sings it?

[Myron]

This.

[Matt]

This does not count. I'm not comparing this to Nirvana, Michael Jackson.

[Myron]

Get this off.

[Matt]

Okay, this, that. This is. This is not about children's nursery rhymes. This is about music videos that were on mtv.

[Myron]

I was just saying the most viewed video of all time. The 49ers were cooking before they ran into the Seahawks. And I think the scary thing if you're a Niners fan is not one 49ers receiver scored a touchdown in that game. So if you're telling me that you can bottle up Brock Purdy, not put him in a position to use his receivers to his advantage, and then the biggest thing was Christian McCaffrey wasn't able to really utilize his full capabilities as well. And I think the Eagles can do a lot of those things defensively to the 49ers, who are fairly one dimensional. Give me the Eagles to win this.

[Matt]

I'm going to take Eagles because they're at home. I think the crowd will, when they're not booing, cheer, which I think will be the difference. And I think you're going to see Saquon bark as the. As the game goes along. Be able to have his presence, you know, be stronger. I'll take the Eagles to win at home. What's next?

[Myron]

Charges at Patriots Sunday Night Football.

[Matt]

Drake May under the lights. What do you got? New England's three and a half point favorite.

[Myron]

I mean, I think he's mvp and I think Drake May should win it. I think Mike Vrabel is your coach of the year.

[Matt]

Matthew Stafford has been favored to win it, by the way.

[Myron]

Matthew. I mean, Justin Herbert. What? Oh, the mvp. I was getting confused. Yeah.

[Matt]

I think Drake May, though, playing off what you said.

[Myron]

I know. I was trying to figure out what you were saying. I didn't know what you were saying. Justin Herbert is going to be the guy who I think is facing the most pressure in this game. They can't protect him. I mean, this is the worst offensive line you've ever seen. And ever since he got that weird surgery on his offhand, he hasn't been the same quarterback. I think the Patriots win this and I won't be surprised if they win it by double digits. I think that's the gap between these two teams in this game.

[Matt]

If you made me bet, I would be with what you just said that I think the Patriots would win by a significant margin. I think the spread is 3 1/2. My inclination on DraftKings would be to bet the Patriots, maybe even an alternate spread like -6, -7, etc. With that said, I think if the game's close, I actually am going to take Justin Herbert and the Chargers because I think down the stretch Herbert has got a little more experience I this game and if they play Jacksonville next week are going to be my okay. I'll finally submit that Drake May and the Patriots are really good. I'm not there yet. I'm going to pick the Patriots to win, but it wouldn't shock me if it goes the other way. But I am going to, for purposes of this game, pick the Patriots and the baby Sharks. What's next? Texans and Steelers, Monday Night Football on ESPN and abc. Houston's a three point favorite on the road.

[Myron]

We're hearing a lot about defense in this Houston defense and they're legit, maybe the scariest defense in the entire NFL. Defense has never won a championship in the history of the NFL, in the history of any. It's the, it's the truth that it's.

[Matt]

Never more true in the playoffs. 85 Bears would disagree with you.

[Myron]

Was McMahon on the sidelines that entire game? Like at some point, at some point, your playmakers have to show up. And I think this is a close game. Down the stretch, C.J. stroud is gonna have to make some plays. And I think this is where Aaron Rodgers shines. He's got DK Metcalf back. Give me the Steelers to win.

[Matt]

Oh, you're taking the Steelers. You were talking them down earlier.

[Myron]

Yeah, give me the Steelers.

[Matt]

Interesting. You know, I'm gonna. I'm gonna take the Steelers as well. I can't go against Mike Tomlin. I think the home field advantage will make a difference. Now. I do think they'll get absolutely run in the next game if they have to go on the road to Pittsburgh or even New England. But I think in this game, in this environment, I like the Steelers to win the game. And I think Aaron Rodgers gets a victory that he can use to launch his new alternative fact podcast that occurs after the season starts. Myron, thank you very much for a wonderful weekend. And thanks to Jackson. Might as well Wonderful weekend.

[Myron]

We did a show together. We didn't go out on a on the town together. Like what we should. Thanks for listening to Matt and Myron the podcast. You can listen to the show live every Sunday morning at 10.

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