Hour 3: Justin Pugh, Former NFL Olineman

Summary

Summary of "Hour 3: Justin Pugh, Former NFL Lineman" on Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron

Release Date: January 12, 2025

In this engaging episode of Sunday Mornings with Matt and Myron, hosts Myron Metcalf and Matt Jones delve into the multifaceted impacts of the devastating wildfires in Los Angeles on the sports world, specifically focusing on the NFL playoffs. Featuring guest Justin Pugh, a former NFL lineman, the discussion navigates through team dynamics, player performances, and the broader implications of natural disasters on professional sports.

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Impact of Los Angeles Wildfires on the NFL Playoffs

The episode opens with Justin Pugh highlighting the extensive damage caused by wildfires in LA, affecting numerous sports teams and their communities. He paints a poignant picture of the challenges faced by players and their families, citing specific instances such as:

Justin Pugh [00:59]: “There are many others who are displaced. You heard Herm Edwards talk about how a lot of the Rams players have not only gone to Arizona to get ready for the game, some of them have brought their family, some of them don't know the status of their homes.”

Myron Metcalf echoes these sentiments, emphasizing the indiscriminate nature of disasters:

Myron Metcalf [02:15]: “Disaster doesn't care who you are and that there are things that are much bigger than sports.”

The hosts discuss the logistical and emotional strain on teams like the Los Angeles Rams, whose relocation to a neutral site in Arizona for playoff games diminishes their usual home-field advantage.

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Vikings vs. Rams: A Playoff Showdown Under Strain

A significant portion of the conversation centers on the upcoming playoff game between the Minnesota Vikings and the Los Angeles Rams. Justin Pugh raises concerns about the Rams' altered circumstances:

Justin Pugh [02:55]: “Playing in Arizona now, they did sell a ton of tickets with Rams fans. Rams have been great. They're taking their fans all day. They've rented buses for people to go down to the game. How do you think that affects the atmosphere?”

Myron Metcalf responds by suggesting that the neutral venue in Arizona could neutralize the traditional playoff atmosphere, potentially leveling the playing field in favor of Minnesota:

Myron Metcalf [03:43]: “It's just not going to be a traditional playoff atmosphere. And I think that really benefits Minnesota more than anyone else.”

Both hosts agree that the Vikings are slightly favored in this matchup, with Myron highlighting Minnesota's defensive strengths and Sam Darnold's potential resurgence as pivotal factors.

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Vikings' Recent Performance and the Future of Sam Darnold

The discussion shifts to the Vikings' recent setbacks, notably their loss to the Detroit Lions, and its implications for quarterback Sam Darnold's future:

Myron Metcalf [05:19]: “Sam Darnold played the worst football he played all year. Look scared, didn't look like he had a lot of poise.”

Despite this, Myron remains cautiously optimistic about Darnold's ability to bounce back in the playoffs:

Myron Metcalf [06:12]: “But I don't think everybody can come in and just play to that level. If he lays an egg in Arizona and he's not competitive in Arizona, that's a whole different conversation.”

Justin Pugh probes whether this loss alters Myron’s earlier high praise for the Vikings, to which Myron affirms that one game does not change his overall evaluation:

Myron Metcalf [06:34]: “I'm not going to take one game and say I didn't see all of the games before that one, because I did.”

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Rams' Resilience Amid Adversity

Justin Pugh revisits the Rams' potential as a dark horse Super Bowl team, a sentiment Myron initially dismisses but later considers with respect to their tenacity:

Justin Pugh [09:07]: “It was about five or six weeks ago.”

Myron Metcalf [09:29]: “I don't think you can just completely dismiss how they started.”

The Rams' ability to rally in the face of disaster is acknowledged as a testament to their character, potentially making them formidable opponents despite recent struggles.

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Quarterback Pressures and Playoff Stakes

The conversation delves into the pressures faced by rookie quarterbacks like Jaden Daniels and veterans like Sam Darnold:

Justin Pugh [07:03]: “...they may personally have more at stake tomorrow than any player in the entire NFL.”

The discussion underscores the high stakes of playoff performances on players' careers and future contracts, particularly emphasizing the precarious position of franchise-tagged quarterbacks.

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Commanders vs. Buccaneers: A Clash of Strategies

Analyzing the upcoming game between the Washington Commanders and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the hosts examine both teams' strategies and the pressures on key players:

Myron Metcalf [20:30]: “They have really just gravitated toward [Baker Mayfield]. But I think it's scary to play a guy that we just don't know what Jaden Daniels is going to do.”

The conversation highlights Baker Mayfield's synergy with the Buccaneers and the Commanders' potential unpredictability with a rookie quarterback, Jaden Daniels.

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Bills vs. Broncos: Upset Alert and Game Predictions

Justin Pugh introduces guest Chris Canty to discuss the Bills vs. Broncos game, focusing on the pressure on quarterbacks and the likelihood of an upset:

Justin Pugh [37:09]: “Myron's better the day. Is it a better. I don't know if it's better than day, but one score game and going into the fourth quarter and I think the Broncos will have a shot.”

Myron Metcalf reiterates his prediction of a one-score game favoring the Bills, while Justin opts for the Bills to cover the points, emphasizing Josh Allen's dual-threat capabilities as a significant challenge for the Broncos.

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Packers vs. Eagles: Health Concerns and Competitive Edge

The Packers vs. Eagles matchup is dissected with attention to quarterback health and team dynamics:

Myron Metcalf [39:26]: “If Jordan Love is healthy, plays at a really high level, I should pick Philly here.”

Despite acknowledging potential competitiveness, both hosts lean towards favoring the Eagles due to their home advantage and Jalen Hurts' leadership under pressure.

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Commanders vs. Buccaneers: Final Picks and Analysis

Wrapping up the playoff picks, the hosts analyze the Commanders vs. Buccaneers game, considering the impact of Baker Mayfield and the Commanders' challenging playoff history:

Myron Metcalf [41:15]: “Tampa Bay is going to have a lot to play for come Monday night.”

This segment emphasizes Tampa Bay's strategic advantages and the uncertainty surrounding the Commanders' performance given their lack of recent playoff victories.

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Interactive Segment: Playoff Picks Contest

Towards the end, the hosts engage in a friendly playoff picks contest, where Justin Pugh showcases his predictive prowess against Myron Metcalf's enthusiasm and optimism:

Justin Pugh [37:09]: “I finished 146 and 80 my sixth straight victory is confirmed.”

Despite Myron’s self-deprecating remarks about his performance, the segment underscores the camaraderie and competitive spirit between the hosts.

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Closing Remarks and Teasers for Upcoming Shows

The episode concludes with promotional segments for upcoming shows and contests, maintaining listener engagement:

Justin Pugh [43:00]: “Thank you very much for your time, guys.”

Matt Jones [45:19]: “Get your own for the only trip to Texas that matters. Yours.”

The hosts leave listeners with anticipation for future episodes, promising continued in-depth analysis and discussions on pivotal sports events.

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Notable Quotes:

• Justin Pugh [00:59]: “It's affected a ton of people in the sports world... it's hard to even fathom the amount of destruction... people's lives dramatically changing.”

• Myron Metcalf [02:15]: “Disaster doesn't care who you are and that there are things that are much bigger than sports.”

• Myron Metcalf [05:19]: “Sam Darnold played the worst football he played all year...”

• Justin Pugh [37:09]: “I finished 146 and 80 my sixth straight victory is confirmed.”

This comprehensive summary encapsulates the episode's key discussions on the intersection of natural disasters and sports, team strategies in the playoffs, player performances under pressure, and the hosts' dynamic interplay, providing listeners with an insightful overview of the podcast’s content.

Transcript

[Myron Metcalf]

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[Matt Jones]

This is Matt and Myron. The podcast I'm Able to Play Football.

[Myron Metcalf]

I've been waiting a long time to this moment.

[Justin Pugh]

Time is here, time is now.

[Matt Jones]

This is the countdown to kickoff on ESPN Radio.

[Justin Pugh]

It is kind of to kick off here. ESPN Radio, ESPN app. One hour until the early game. It will be the Broncos and the Bills playing in Buffalo. Nightcap tonight, Commanders taking on the Bucks. And then tomorrow night, Vikings and Rams. We would be remiss, especially as we're getting ready to talk about the Rams, to not talk about all the stuff, all the things people are going through la. It is affected a ton of people in the sports world. You know, J.J. redick, the coach, the Lakers has lost his home. There are many others who are displaced. You heard Herm Edwards talk about how a lot of the Rams players have not only gone to Arizona to get ready for the game, some of them have brought their family, some of them don't know the status of their homes. I mean, there are now reports of up to 10,000 homes being burned. It is hard to even fathom the amount of destruction and the amount of sort of rebuild that will take place. You know, Myron, we've had Lakers games canceled, we've had Kings games canceled. It really is just stunning to watch and just, you know, in a snap of a finger, people's lives dramatically changing. That will never be the same.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, it just reminds you, man, that, you know, disaster doesn't care who you are and that there are things that are much bigger than sports. It's just been really, just some of these videos have been terrifying. Just hoping everyone is safe. You know, I got a bunch of friends on the west coast who've had to evacuate. So it's just been a really, really challenging time. And Matt, I can't imagine, I think most, a lot of the Rams and their families, they took their families down to Arizona, you know, so it's just got to be a tough situation when you're thinking about the game ahead but also wondering what you're going to come home to after it's all said.

[Justin Pugh]

Exactly. Has to be a sobering time for everybody. But you know, for the Rams, specifically in playing in this playoff game, you know, focus is difficult enough for these things as it is. And now with all this going on, Vikings coming in, the Rams. You know, it's not the biggest home field advantage in the world, but there is one for the Rams in a way that I don't even think there is one for the Chargers, but there is one for the Rams that is now gone. Playing in Arizona now, they did sell a ton of tickets with Rams fans. Rams have been great. They're taking their fans all day. They've rented buses for people to go down to the game. How do you think that affects the atmosphere, everything? For this to be at a neutral site in Arizona, I mean, it just.

[Myron Metcalf]

Won'T be the same, you know, I mean, you're talking about fans on both sides that had made plans to go to la, book toe tills, bought tick booked hotels, bought tickets. Now what does that mean? You know, I don't know if they're going to be a lot of Arizona people who just don't care about the game. Will a lot of those LA fans come over with a bunch of Minnesota fans? Arizona's a big snowbird capital. I don't know if you know about the snowbirds, but people who leave Minnesota once the winter comes and they go Arizona, Texas, Florida. So people think that those people may show up to the stadium, but it's just not going to be a traditional playoff atmosphere. And I think that really benefits Minnesota more than anyone else.

[Justin Pugh]

Yeah, Minnesota's a favorite now. 1 point favorite.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's a, it's a, it's, it works in their favor, but I hope it's a good game either way and I think it will be.

[Justin Pugh]

So you're a Minnesota guy. You came on here last week, said the Vikings would beat the Lions. Said you thought the Vikings would, could, might even would make the Super Bowl. You made a huge pronouncement about how good the Vikings were. And then they laid one of the biggest eggs that a team could lay in a situation like that. Do you, are you worried about that? Do you go, eh, just it one week thing happened. I mean you were all but Viking Vike the Viking here last week. What are you doing now?

[Myron Metcalf]

Who is Viking Bike the Viking.

[Justin Pugh]

I don't know if that's the official mascot. I just felt like Viking Vike the Viking would be a good name, but Like I said, I don't know if that's registered as their official mascot.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'll tell you what, man. In that game against, against the Lions, like, I look at Notre Dame losing to Northern Illinois and Ohio State losing to Michigan, like, sometimes getting slapped like that, you know, punch, whatever you want to call it, at least you can just kind of burn the film and move forward. Like, there's nothing that Minnesota could take away from that Detroit game. But if you beat la, you got a shot against them in the playoffs, but you just got to put that behind you. Sam Darnold played the worst football he played all year. Look scared, didn't look like he had a lot of poise, but. But you'd seen him before that. You know what he's capable of. I think that's going to be the message with Minnesota going forward, is getting back to, like, who they are defensively. They're going to put a lot of pressure on Matthew Stafford, who's a veteran, but that's going to be, I think, the goal. And then. Can you get Sam Darnold going again? Again?

[Justin Pugh]

I think you're not disheartened by last week.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, it, it's. You saw the, the greatest fear of any Vikings fan was the Sam Donald you saw against Detroit, because now a lot of people have had questions about who he is. I've never seen one game turn a fan base from pay this guy 50 million plus and keep him around and maybe even move JJ McCarthy to cancel everything we said a week ago.

[Justin Pugh]

So does it. So has it changed your mind?

[Myron Metcalf]

Today could. I mean, tomorrow could, but I'm not there yet. I'm not going to take one game and say I didn't see all of the games before that one, because I did. And I saw how good Sam Darnold was. And I don't think that everybody can come in and just play to that level. But if he lays an egg in Arizona and he's not competitive in Arizona, that's a whole different conversation. I agree going into the offseason, but.

[Justin Pugh]

I, I'm not a Vikings fan like you, so I, I can't, you know. Well, you kind of are, though. I mean, you're Viking, Vikings fan. Yeah, I do think, though, what worries me is that, you know, that wasn't even a great Lions defense. They had like seven guys out. You know, I mean, they, they, they are. They've been dealt with more injuries than probably any defense in football. And for that defense, with that many people out to rattle Darnold like that, that would worry me now I am with you though. It will really worry you if the Rams were to, were to do the same thing. And I wonder if to I wonder if anyone in the playoffs Myron is playing with more of their future at stake than Sam Darnold. Like when you're looking at the amount of money he could be looking at in the off season, like he may personally have more at stake tomorrow than any player in the entire NFL.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean him and his accountant clearly. I mean, because if he goes out and he struggles. Yeah, I think any plan about, you know, paying him big money really changes. At least long term money. Like, I think if he struggles, there's still a world where he gets franchise tagged.

[Justin Pugh]

No, I think he would, I, I, you're right about that.

[Myron Metcalf]

But here's the problem with franchise tech. The reason why teams don't do it, like quarterbacks don't get franchise tagged anymore. All of that money counts against your cap. So it's smarter to spread the money out and give someone a long term deal or just move on from them. But I could see a world where they franchise tag them and then they keep J.J. mcCarthy around. But if he struggles like he did against Detroit, man, I, I don't know what that means going forward or how that even changes the market for him if he's not in Minnesota. There's a lot of pressure on him going into this game and now playing essentially a neutral site game. Matt. Yeah, I think there's even more pressure, you know.

[Justin Pugh]

Well now you also have in my case, I said to you, I don't know how long ago it was, it was a few weeks ago that the Rams are my dark horse super bowl team. Do you remember that?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Justin Pugh]

Are you ready to give that any more credibility today? You completely dismissed it. And by the way, they were like 5 or 4 and 7 when I said that. So I mean, I think I at least had a pretty good call now that they're the 4 seed and won their division. But do you give it any more credibility today than the way you mocked me, what was it, five or six weeks ago?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I don't, I don't. Only because, you know, a, they did this last year and it was fun to watch. But I, I don't think you can just completely dismiss how they started. You know, a strong finish doesn't erase everything we've seen. Now granted, Cooper cup puking a coup have had a bunch of injuries. They haven't been completely healthy. They have looked much better lately. And I think if you're the Vikings. You're going into this game knowing how good the Rams can be at their, with their ceiling. And if you're, you know, any team in the nfc, yeah, I think they're probably viewed as a live underdog. But I got to see tomorrow, man, because it's not even just about beating Minnesota. I think you got to do it convincingly for me to think that you're going to overcome Philly and Detroit and all these teams you'd have to see on the road to get to a Super Bowl.

[Justin Pugh]

This is only the sixth playoff game in NFL history. They'll have two head coaches under the age of 40. How is Sean McVeigh still under 40?

[Myron Metcalf]

I feel he's been 36. I feel like he's still under 4.

[Justin Pugh]

Did he start coaching when he was like in his, he was 21. He was like, I feel like he's been around forever. Also something to watch. The Vikings lead the NFL in takeaways 33 on the year. You know, they were not able to get those and so can the Rams hold on to the ball. They're averaging two takeaways a game, which is an incredible, that's an incredible amount of takeaways in the NFL. We'll see if the Rams will be able to hang on to the ball. Now. The Commanders have their chance to continue a Cinderella story and they go down to Tampa Bay. Baker Mayfield versus Jaden Daniels, two Heisman Trophy winners. Who is going to take it? We'll deal with that next. For tonight's game right here on ESPN.

[Matt Jones]

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[Myron Metcalf]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Myron Metcalf]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Myron Metcalf]

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[Myron Metcalf]

For the fourth year in a row.

[Justin Pugh]

Tampa Bay Buccaneers win the NFC south.

[Myron Metcalf]

And for the fifth consecutive season, the Buccaneers are playoff bound.

[Justin Pugh]

Feels great.

[Myron Metcalf]

You know, we went through a lot of ups and downs this year. A lot of injuries, guys fought hard with a lot of guys missing on.

[Justin Pugh]

Both sides of the ball.

[Myron Metcalf]

It's even more gratifying throughout the year for us to come out on top this way. Nobody in this locker room wants to go on vacation yet. So this is a tough group and we had to realize what type of game it's going to be. Physical game, win at any cost. And no matter what it looks like.

[Justin Pugh]

It is cat out of kickoff here on ESPN Radio, the ESPN app, presented by Progressive Insurance. Obviously, we talked a minute ago about the wildfires. If you're able to help, and if you're able, please help people affected by the California wildfires in 2025. You can donate at RedCross.org ESPN RedCross.org ESPN to help the Red Cross respond and help people recover. A lot of people in the LA area with Red Cross, you know, doing amazing work for all the. It's easy to focus when you look at that story on the people of wealth and means who lost their homes. And I, you know, I feel terrible for them as well. But there's a lot of people that are just regular people who did as well. And the Red Cross is out there doing amazing work.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. And you know, also, you know, shout out to the firefighters, man, who are, you know, risking their lives, man, and coming from all over to try to get this under control. So definitely got to acknowledge them, too.

[Justin Pugh]

Totally, totally agree. There's also, I believe, Myron, there's a huge women's basketball college basketball game today, is there not? It's Texas, South Carolina. Texas, South Carolina. Yeah. Top five matchup today on espn. So if you get a little tired of the football, that's at 1:00 on ESPN. 16 and one Texas versus 15 and one South Carolina. You know, in men's and women's basketball. Yeah, the SEC might not make the championship game, Myron, but in basketball, the where it means more in the SEC is showing out.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I'm taking over, man. And other sports too. Right. Like, aren't y'all good at what, softball or something?

[Justin Pugh]

We're the best in every sport. We're the best at baseball, we're the best at softball. This may be one of the best basketball conferences of all time. Track. I mean, sport where the. What do you mean? Of course track.

[Myron Metcalf]

Because y'all are. So you guys get year round. I mean, I was a track guy. Like, it's not fair to. We shouldn't have to race. I don't think people from the Midwest should have to race people from the south in track. Like there should be.

[Justin Pugh]

Why is that? Why?

[Myron Metcalf]

Because it's different, man. Like, it's a different story.

[Justin Pugh]

What makes it different?

[Myron Metcalf]

I was one of the fast. I was among one of the fastest people, like, you know, in my state. One of state championship.

[Justin Pugh]

Far from me to question what you say. But you were one of the fastest people in your state.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I was. I was a four by one champion. I was on a four by one state champion team. Ran.

[Justin Pugh]

You were a four by one champion?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, yeah, I won state. I was lead leg on a state championship team. But then I was on a club team and we went to nationals and I ran against this team from Texas and I knew I was in trouble because I thought one of their guys was a coach and he was like, no, I'm on the team. And that's what I realized. Like, I was probably in trouble.

[Justin Pugh]

So you were a sprinter.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah. And there was a team what was.

[Justin Pugh]

Like the fastest hundred meters you ever ran.

[Myron Metcalf]

10 sevens. You know, probably 4, 3, 9, 4, 4. Ish. You know.

[Justin Pugh]

You ready? 4, 3, 9, 4.

[Myron Metcalf]

But hand time. So like real like if I were the NFL, it was probably close to like a 4 or 5, 4, 6. Probably between 4, 5 and 4, 6 is what it would have been like. Probably electronic timing. But no, you. We ran against dudes from the south and it was just a different thing, man. The south is not.

[Justin Pugh]

You know, I've known you a long time. I did not see sprint. Matt.

[Myron Metcalf]

You forget things, Matt. You forget things about me. I don't know if you know that. So there's a lot of shows. We do have to tell you things that I've told you before, I think you just may not remember.

[Justin Pugh]

Well, let me ask you, Nick. Mikey. Do you remember him saying he was a sprinter?

[Myron Metcalf]

No, he definitely has never said it, at least. I mean, I went to.

[Justin Pugh]

I know, I know you played college football, but that doesn't make you a sprinter.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, you're 400 relays in the record here. I'm looking at. Yeah, we. Well, we just lost our record to some kids at my high school, we had.

[Justin Pugh]

Hang on, Nick. You're saying he's in the 4 by 400 relay?

[Myron Metcalf]

You ran in 41 8. Yeah, we were. Yeah, we were 1999. Yeah, we were solid. Yeah, I was the lead.

[Justin Pugh]

The reason I say you don't have, like, a sprinter's physique. I wouldn't have thought you were a sprinter.

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean, I'm 41.

[Matt Jones]

Aerodynamic.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah.

[Justin Pugh]

You don't. Do you think you. I mean, you're. You're athletic, but you don't have a sprinter's physique. Would you agree?

[Myron Metcalf]

No, I wouldn't agree. Because if you saw me at 17, 18.

[Justin Pugh]

Okay. I believe that. I'm just saying, like. But you can see how I would look at you now and not say, that was a sprint. Yeah.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know what you. Are you saying I've, like, two ham sandwiches. Too many egg burritos from that.

[Justin Pugh]

Like, I look at you and I say, that dude could have played. Yeah. People think linebacker.

[Myron Metcalf]

People think I'm an example football player. Like, some. I volunteered this place. And some of the older ladies, they were like, oh, what position did you play? So that happens to me sometimes.

[Justin Pugh]

But didn't you play offensive line?

[Myron Metcalf]

Never. I played running back. I'm 5 10. You think somebody was on someone's offensive line? No, I played running. I was running back.

[Matt Jones]

That's generous.

[Myron Metcalf]

5 10. I'm 5 10. I'm 5, 9 and 3 quarters. So, I mean, rounded up.

[Justin Pugh]

Anytime people are bringing out the quarters you rounded up, then that means they're not that number. I've never heard a tall, like. You never hear me go, I'm 64 and 1/4. Yeah, that's like, when you're tall, people are tall. You don't have to do that.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, you tall people don't have to care about that. Good. Congratulations.

[Justin Pugh]

Only people shorter than six feet bring out.

[Myron Metcalf]

You thought I was an old lineman. I thought you.

[Justin Pugh]

Well, I thought you were like a Division 3, undersized.

[Myron Metcalf]

I was a running back. I was. I mean, I could dunk a basketball. Back in the day, Like, I was a pretty.

[Justin Pugh]

Really.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I was a pretty 10ft. Yeah, like, I was. I'm not saying I was like Reggie Bush, but I was a. I was a pretty good athlete. People will tell you that.

[Justin Pugh]

Back in the day, I was surprised about this. I had a whole impersonation of you.

[Myron Metcalf]

And then me as a young guy were like.

[Justin Pugh]

You were this meaty offensive lineman.

[Myron Metcalf]

No, no, you made that up. As a young guy, like, field day at school, like, you know, second, third, fourth grade. I was. I destroyed everybody. I was the first pick in our field hockey tournament, and I never Even played field hockey. I was the first pick. They were like, okay, you got captains? You get to pick anybody.

[Justin Pugh]

If you're telling me your first pick at the field hockey tournament.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yo, we were, it was, I'm telling you, sixth grade. They had like four captains and they're like, we got field hockey teams. There was a, you played before school and it was a big thing, right? We did football, field hockey, some other sports. And all of a sudden people came to hall. They're like, Myron was the first pick. Myron was. I'd never played field hockey.

[Justin Pugh]

Yeah, well that's good.

[Myron Metcalf]

They just thought I was Commanders.

[Justin Pugh]

Well, offensive. I mean, I thought you were undersized. Offensive commanders at the Buccaneers Bucks are a three point favorite. Games tonight, it's a four time all time meeting between these teams in the playoffs. The Bucks won the last time in the 2020 wild card. Tampa's a three point favorite. But I kind of feel like the commanders are as good, if not even better. That three points might be the home field. How do you see things going tonight?

[Myron Metcalf]

I mean we saw what Baker did last year and what, what that team did last year to the Eagles. You know, I wouldn't want to play them at their best. Like they've, they've been really good. Mike Evans getting healthy. I think they're a different team the way that they are now. They obviously love Baker. Like you talk about rallying around a quarterback. I mean they have really just gravitated toward that dude. But I think it's scary to play a guy that like, we just don't know what Jaden Daniels is going to do. Like he's, that he's, he's, he's that good to where he could come into this game and do some things we've never seen before. And we talked about C.J. stroud. Remember how hard it was to game plan for him because we were seeing all this in real time. I think Jaden Daniels is the same way.

[Justin Pugh]

Do you know what year is the last year the Commanders won a playoff game?

[Myron Metcalf]

Man, I bet, I bet it was. It might have been the early 90s.

[Justin Pugh]

Honestly, no, it's a little sooner since then 2005, so it's been 20 years. Okay, so now here's a little piece of trivia. You got a minute? What? Two teams have a longer playoff victory streak having not had one than the Commanders. There are two. Do you know who they are? Don't look at the screen.

[Myron Metcalf]

Geez, the man. I was gonna say the Raiders, but Raiders are one.

[Justin Pugh]

That's good. Do you know the other one with a longer time since their last victory?

[Myron Metcalf]

It had to be the Lions.

[Justin Pugh]

No, no Lions. One game a game last year.

[Myron Metcalf]

Is it the Bears?

[Justin Pugh]

No, the Bears went to bears, 2007 went super bowl.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't know so hard with Jets. It's the Jets.

[Justin Pugh]

No, it is the Dolphins. The Dolphins have the longest streak since they won a playoff game of any team in the NFL. Does that surprise you?

[Myron Metcalf]

Surprise a little bit.

[Justin Pugh]

I wouldn't necessarily have had that. The commanders can get out of that third position with a victory today Dolphins were in 2000 was the last time they won. Now we a lot of times Bo Nicks, Jayden Daniels are playing in their first playoff game. What is it like to play in your first playoff game? Well, ask a former pro. That's next here on ESPN Radio.

[Myron Metcalf]

Hey, it's your resident super bowl champ, Chris Candy coming on Monday.

[Justin Pugh]

Sam Donald's next contract, Matt Stafford's future.

[Myron Metcalf]

I'll tell you what's at stake as we wrap up wildcard weekend with Vikings Rams.

[Justin Pugh]

It's unsportsmanlike Weekday mornings at 6 right here on ESPN Radio, ESPN2 and ESPNU.

[Matt Jones]

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[Chris Canty]

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[Justin Pugh]

Here we go.

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[Justin Pugh]

It is Cat at a kickoff here on ESPN Radio. Thirty minutes before the first game, Bills and the Broncos. Myron has the Bills on upset alert. Right, Myron?

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I think it'll be a closer game than people think.

[Justin Pugh]

Yeah, upset alert. Justin Pugh is with us. He is a former NFL lineman, played for the Giants and the Cardinals. He also is here on ESPN Radio on game day most Sundays. Will be here again today. Justin, we got two guys, two quarterbacks, David Bo Nicks, Jane Daniels playing in their first NFL playoff game, both of them going on the road. You know better than anybody what that's like, the pressure. So what will it be like for these guys playing a road environment for the first time in the NFL playoffs?

[Chris Canty]

It is those mafia, I don't care if you're a rookie quarterback, if you're a veteran quarterback, that is a. I don't want to say once in a lifetime because you probably Play there multiple times but it is an event. They have been waiting for this. This is the year the Buffalo Bills think they are going all the way. You have MVP front runner. Well, I don't know if he's a front runner anymore but Josh Allen, everything looks like it is going the Buffalo Bills way. I am very interested to see how that game kicks off and how the pressure starts to build on Buffalo if they don't have success early. And then if you're Jaden Daniels, you're going down to Tampa Bay. The environment won't be nearly as intense as Buffalo, but we are yet to see a rookie quarterback I think the last 10 years go on the road and get a win. I think one of these two quarterbacks is going to do it. I think Jaden Daniels better shot to do it.

[Myron Metcalf]

What'd you make of what Baltimore did and how much of a threat do you think they are to Kansas City if they get that opportunity to face them in a couple weeks?

[Chris Canty]

Baltimore has everything. The defense looked great last night. The secondary was phenomenal. I mean when I look at Pittsburgh, I didn't think they were very good to start the season. They kind of exceeded expectations early on and won some games where they're not scoring any touchdowns and they're kicking field goals. Typical Pittsburgh football. The Baltimore Ravens are a force to be reckoned with. You saw it when early in that game Lamar Jackson decided to run it four straight times. He's not worried about the narrative. He's not worried about sitting back there in the pocket and trying to prove he's this he is the MVP of the NFL out games. They ran it 15 times in a row yesterday and are a force to be reckoned with. And I, I actually think I would go as far as to say they might be the biggest chance that we have to upsetting the Chiefs. And I think I'm going to roll with the Ravens to upset the Chiefs this year.

[Justin Pugh]

So now you're sounding like Myron here, Justin, because Myron will put picks against the Chiefs at every counter. I mean does Patrick Mahomes and Kelsey and Chris Jones and all those guys? Did they not just at some point deserve the respect of pick them until they lose when they've won three of the last four?

[Chris Canty]

No, you're spot on. They deserve all the respect in the world and this team, I would argue this Chiefs team is better than last year's Chiefs. Yeah, they're better at wide receiver. The defense is a year further along. They have a lot of young players that are playing Chris Jones is playing out of defensive player of the year clip. You have, you know, just the, the amount that they've been able to achieve is phenomenal. And yes, Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback in the NFL. He never folds when the pressure is on. But I just feel like at some point this team has had so many one score games this year it could come back to bite them. I think the Chiefs and Bills are on a collision course. But I just love what I saw from the Ravens yesterday. Maybe I'm just, you know, I'm getting caught up in what I saw last night.

[Myron Metcalf]

Justin. I know, you know, guys at that level are sort of creatures of habit, love routine. What does it do to a squad like the Rams where you know, due to the tragedy and the wildfires they've got to uproot and move I think a lot of their families even to Arizona and to prepare for Minnesota under these circumstances.

[Chris Canty]

Yeah, I mean it's definitely when you're the LA Rams trying to prepare for a game but you're also worried about potentially house catching on fire, your in laws that are in game. So it's a quick hour flight to la. I've done it a few times but it's definitely the second thing on their mind is going out and playing a football game. I mean a lot of these guys are ingrained in that community. They have friends, they have family. It is going to be incredibly difficult to put that aside and play football. And maybe the Rams will provide that brief four hour reprieve from the devastation that's happening in la. And I think in the past we've seen when adversity has struck a lot of times that rallies the team and they want to go play for la. So they are a scary team to play. They're, they're arrested. I know they are kind of limping into the playoffs in terms of production but you know they are going to have a lot to play for come Monday night.

[Justin Pugh]

I sort of look at the games coming up this weekend, the ones that, the one that it was most exciting to me is at 4:30 with the packers and the Eagles. I feel like Jalen hurts and Nick Sirianni probably have the most pressure of on them of anyone in this playoffs with a difficult game. A lot of pressure on Josh Allen and the Bills too. But do you agree with that, that like they just can't lose today for both of those guys and kind of the feelings with that fan base?

[Chris Canty]

Yeah, if the Philadelphia Eagles were to go out there today and lose, especially with you know, resting the starters. There's a little bit of drama there with AJ Brown through the middle of this season and honestly that goes back all the way to last season between him and Jalen. If there was a reason why they went out there and lost today, I honestly think they need to get Nick Sirianni out of that stadium as quickly as possible. There will be riots in the streets. I'm from Philadelphia. I know how that fan base is. They're not even going to be happy with divisional round. They. They have to be to the NFC championship and win an NFC championship like, or else they're going to be calling for Nick Sirianni's head. I think the Eagles are the most talented team in football and that's why the pressure is so high. And there's already questions the first half of the season about Nick Sirianni, some of the clock management, some of the way he interacts with the fans. So if they were to lose and get bounced early, it is going to be a major, major issue in Philadelphia and that media. Honestly. We also just tune into Philadelphia talk show radio. It will be comedy.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yes, just. You play for the Giants. What'd you make of them deciding not to make a move at GM or head coach?

[Chris Canty]

Yeah, so I. Continuity is a major factor and fans get on me all the time. They're like, well, we didn't make great decisions. We let Saquon Barkley walk. We let Xavier McKinney walk. Yes. I wish Saquon Barkley was still in there with the New York Giants. But I don't see if I look around the league, many GMs jumping and chomping at the bit to pay running backs and safeties. I think this year, Saquon, Derek Henry, Josh Jacobs, Joe Mixon have bucked the trend of like, well, you need get into the playoffs. But Joe Shane has a strategy. He has his style now. Did it work out this year? No. I think the quarterback position, not having a quarterback on the roster after Daniel Jones hurt that team. But I agree with bringing them back, giving them another year, letting them go get their quarterback of the future. It's not the most popular opinion, but turnover is what is a killer on a lot of these teams. So I have faith that the Giants are going to continue to get it figured out. And I'm not even team draft a quarterback three overall just because you need one. There's guys out there that could play football, be a bridge quarterback. I look at guys like Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter that could come in and make him act as well. Let's build a great team and then bring a quarterback to that situation. Great example, Sam Darnold.

[Justin Pugh]

I mean there's, there's a lot. There are. I think it's pretty weak quarterback class actually. And I think the next one is much better. Being at the 3 pick. I don't know if you'll have one of the top two guys of Cam War and Shoulder Sanders. I'm sure you haven't scouted them at an NFL level, but I bet you've seen them play. If you as a former Giants player, let's just call you also now a fan, would you want the Giants to take a risk on one of those two guys?

[Chris Canty]

I look at what the Vikings and the Falcons did this year. Kind of did it in two different ways. The Vikings brought in that bridge quarterback and Sam Darnold drafted J.J. mcCarthy and then you look at the Falcons, they went big and they drafted, they paid Kirk Cousins and they're like, you know what, there's value here at 9. Let's take, take Michael Penix Jr. So I'm not a big proponent in giving up three first round picks, a third next year to move up two spots and draft one of those guys because the odds of hitting a first round quarterback I think are 5050. They're not very good. I would prefer to get someone who I know how he can play and the style in which. I mean, look at Kirk Cousins. I mean, I know it's not going to be a popular opinion. He's out there. Justin Fields will be out there. There's a few other names floating around of quarterbacks and we've seen guys get a second opportunity and they're starting to make the most of it. You look at Baker Mayfield, you look at the Sam Darnolds of the world, like these guys can play at a high level. So I like going best available, not reaching for a quarterback. If there's one at three that you absolutely love and he gets to you, yes, take him. I got a chance to see Cam Moore play against Syracuse this year and he looked phenomenal. Shador Sanders has had pressure in it to play under the bright light since he put a jersey on for the first time. That type of guy is going to have success in a place like New York. So if they come to you. Yes, mortgage in the future to draft a quarterback that high, I think that's a little too risky. I would prefer to go probably back to the defensive line again and continue to bolster that D line because when the Giants were Winning Super Bowls. They had the most feared D line in football with Brian Burns, Dexter Lawrence, Kayvon Thibodeau. You add another piece there, they start to get pretty frightening.

[Justin Pugh]

Yeah, Abdul Carter would be a tough guy to stop on that defensive line. Justin Pugh on ESPN on game day on Sundays. Thank you very much for your time, guys.

[Chris Canty]

I appreciate it. I gotta hop to my show now, so I'll talk to you guys there.

[Justin Pugh]

Yeah, we led into yours. There you go. That's what we do. You just let me know when you need some analysis.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, we'll. Come on.

[Justin Pugh]

We'll be. We'll be there for you. All right.

[Chris Canty]

All right. Hey, we're writing it down. I just told my producers, man, I got both your numbers.

[Justin Pugh]

Thank you, Justin. Coming up next, I won the regular season playoff picks, actually ended up winning them by a lot. Myron completely collapsed down the stretch like his favorite Vikings, but that doesn't mean he can't bring it back in the playoffs. Our playoff picks are next here on ESPN Radio.

[Matt Jones]

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[Justin Pugh]

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[Myron Metcalf]

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[Myron Metcalf]

These explosive plays are going to be necessary for this offense.

[Matt Jones]

The NFL playoffs, continuing coverage right here on ESPN Radio. Matt and Myon the podcast.

[Justin Pugh]

It is kind of the kickoff here on ESPN Radio, presented by Progressive Insurance. At Progressive, they're making things even easier. They'll help you bundle your home, your car insurance together so you can save on both. Learn [e-mail] or 1-800-Progressive in the FA cup that I was telling you about, Manchester, you and Arsenal going into penalties doesn't happen in regular soccer very much, but in the FA cup now they do it. Who do you like in the penalties here, man? You are Arsenal, Myron.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I'm a man city guy, so I can't root for Manu, so I'll, I'll root for Arsenal.

[Justin Pugh]

I guess you're gonna take Arsenal and I will keep you up to date. Hopefully by the time we finish this, we'll know who wins. They are just starting. If you're going to take Arsenal, I'll go ahead and take Manu just so that we have some kind of difference and we'll see what happens. 888 say ESPN. All right, so we do our picks every week, man. You took a 10 lead. We, we do our picks every week. The year is over. I finished 155 and 73. You finished 146 and 80 my sixth straight victory is confirmed. Yet again winning the regular season. How do you feel, Myron, once again falling at the pick them contest?

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I mean, to me it's. It's an asterisk next to it. You don't know what would have happened if I had been here every Sunday. I mean, I can't help it that I got some great opportunities from ESPN radio to do some NFL games. I think I had another day. I had to take off. So I think I missed three or four Sundays.

[Justin Pugh]

Yeah, but you know, I missed two and I'm not complaining. I still beat you.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, you could complain if you want. I'm. I'm going to complain.

[Justin Pugh]

I don't complain. I just. All I do is year in and year out beat you in the contest. So it is now time to do our games for the next four. We'll see if you do any better in the playoffs. What's up first?

[Matt Jones]

Broncos at Bills.

[Justin Pugh]

Myron, Broncos at Bills. You earlier suggested this could be surprise.

[Myron Metcalf]

How are we gonna talk about for the next six minutes? About four games? That's gonna be hard. So Broncos.

[Justin Pugh]

What are you talking about?

[Myron Metcalf]

Do I slow down? Do I, I mean, what do I.

[Justin Pugh]

Do to stretch out a normal conversation?

[Myron Metcalf]

I know, but we, we usually do like sort of rapid fire and now this is a whole different.

[Matt Jones]

You usually take your time anyway.

[Myron Metcalf]

Okay. No. What'd you say, Nick? Say that again. You usually take your time on these places. Okay, what does that mean? You like, you all been having. Let me tell. Let me tell you what my attitude's about today. I feel like y'all been having meetings about me and nobody's telling me what's being said because. Because. What is that kind of comment?

[Justin Pugh]

You were cantankerous from moment.

[Myron Metcalf]

I usually take my time. Like. Is that a thing that people think about me?

[Justin Pugh]

It's okay. I learned how to adjust. Let's go Broncos. Bills, who you got?

[Myron Metcalf]

All right, I'll pick the Bills, but I'll stay with what I said earlier. I think it's a one score game. You can mark this down. Myron's better the day. Is it a better. I don't know if it's better than day, but one score game and going into the fourth quarter and I think the Broncos will have a shot. I think Bo Nicks.

[Justin Pugh]

I think the bills are an 8 point favorite. Would you bet the Broncos to cover that?

[Myron Metcalf]

I just think it'll be a one score game going into the fourth. I probably still bet the Bills to cover, but I think the Bills you know, will come out and do what they've been doing all year. The biggest problem that Broncos will have will be Josh Allen, the runner. I mean, for everything he's done as a passer, the numbers aren't as big as they've been in past years, but, like, as a runner, he's been incredible. So he's a dual threat. That'll be hard to stop, but I think Bonicks will take his chances and put them in a position to compete.

[Justin Pugh]

Arsenal just had their second kick block, so Manu is up one in the kick shootout. I'm going to take the Bills. I think the environment will be too much. I think there's a chance that this game could get away from the Broncos. I'm really interested to see, though, how does Bo Nicks handle the environment, handle the pressure on the road where they win or lose? There's a lot for a rookie to have to do. We'll see how he ends up doing in Buffalo. I want to see him have a good performance, though, just for his career. What's next?

[Matt Jones]

Packers at Eagles?

[Justin Pugh]

Packers and Eagles. Huge, huge, huge game for Jalen Hurts.

[Myron Metcalf]

Yeah, I mean, I think. I think it's fair to wonder, like, are these quarterbacks healthy? I mean, like, no one talked about concussion protocol with Jalen Hurts. Then he cleared it, and I was like, oh, he's back. My question with Jalen Hurts is how involved has he been in the preparation going into this game, considering that he had to clear concussion protocol, does he feel 100%? And then I think on the other side with Jordan Love the elbow injury, that that's been problematic for him. You lose Christian Watson, this would be a great game with those receivers they have in Philly. To have Jair Alexander, who's missed obviously a significant chunk of the season, he's done for the year. I just think the. The packers are going into Philly not at full strength, and there's just no way to win in that scenario. Now, granted, we saw what happened to Philly last year and what Tampa Bay did. This can be a competitive game if healthy Jordan Love, if he's healthy, plays at a really high level. I should pick Philly here. I want to pick Philly, but I'm going to pick Green Bay for the upset.

[Justin Pugh]

Wow. Picking Green Bay. I like that you're giving it a shot. I. This is certainly the game where I think the upsets most on the table, but I'm going to take Philly. I think just again, being at home, I think that'll matter in this situation, but this is so much on the line. If I was a Philly fan, especially if I was a fan of Jalen Hurts, I would be so nervous about this game. I can't remember the last time a corner quarterback and a coach had so much at stake in a game that they probably should win easily. So I will take Philadelphia. By the way. Manchester United just hits another one. They are one kick away from beating Arsenal and the Myron Metcalf jinx will include to the FA cup after picking Arsenal just a few minutes ago. Who's next?

[Matt Jones]

Commanders at Buccaneers.

[Myron Metcalf]

You know, I mean I wouldn't want to see Jaden Daniels. I think if you're the Buccaneers, you're probably going, you know, at his peak, who he can be. It's just hard to game plan for a guy like that. But I also think Tampa Bay just got healthy at the right time. They just in sync with Mike Evans returning and I think they got a lot of confidence in Baker Mayfield and who he has been this year for them. I think Tampa Bay is, is, is going to be tough for anybody that they face. And as much as I like Jaden Daniels and his upside and maybe making history potentially of making a Super bowl run as a rookie, give me Tampa Bay here.

[Justin Pugh]

There are. This is in no way meant to downplay how good Washington has been this year, but they've been fortunate. Mirroring games right Hail Mary against The Bears, last second win, 58 yard field goal. I mean that their record could be three games worse. Tampa has been in this situation. I think Liam Cohen and Baker Mayfield have done such a good job together as OC and coach. I don't think the home field advantage helps a lot but I will still take Tampa Bay to win the game against Washington. And as I say this on ESPN plus, Manchester United is going for the goal to win the match and they got it. Manchester United. Myron knocks out Arsenal from the FA cup and you get yet another pick. Incorrect.

[Myron Metcalf]

Well, I mean, you know I'm not going to vote. I told you, I'm a Man City guy. I can't pick Manu. That's the rule.

[Justin Pugh]

You're a Man City fan. Who's your favorite player? Just out of curiosity.

[Myron Metcalf]

I don't like to pick favorites because I'm a fan of all. I just know they spend their money.

[Justin Pugh]

You don't know any of them.

[Myron Metcalf]

They put up big money.

[Justin Pugh]

And that's the manager of your favorite.

[Myron Metcalf]

Team is the manager of Man City. Yeah, he's a great guy. I'll tell you that much.

[Justin Pugh]

So his name is Pap and you didn't get that one either. What's our last one?

[Matt Jones]

Vikings at Rams.

[Justin Pugh]

Vikings at Rams. I hope you know these teams better. Who you got?

[Myron Metcalf]

It's gonna be a fun one, man. I think it's just, I don't know what the crowd will look like. Like I, you know, I know they're sending buses to LA and people are going to come over, sure. But that's a lot different than being in la. I know there are a lot of snowbirds in Arizona, Vikings fans who might show up for the game, but the atmosphere just will not be the same. And I think that favors Minnesota to kind of be in a neutral site game, albeit you wish it wasn't this way because of what LA is dealing with. But give me Minnesota. Sam Darnold's back and he's going to put all those rumors to rest about his future with a big performance against the Rams in a victory. Give me the Vikings.

[Justin Pugh]

Yeah, I like the Vikings quite a bit here actually. I was going to pick them if the game was in la. More likely to pick them in Arizona. I just think they're the better team. I don't think home field matters a lot in this situation either way, just whether it was in LA or Arizona. I'll take the Vikings to go and get a victory with Sam Darnold and company. Myron, thank you very much. Hope you have a better day and your mood continues to improve. Coming up, Kevin Clark, Justin Pugh and Mike Tannenbaum will host Game Day. This has been counting at a kickoff on ESPN Radio.

[Chris Canty]

Hi, this is Evan Cohen.

[Justin Pugh]

Join us Monday, 6:00am Eastern for unsportsmanlike. A massive 20 point victory for the Houston Texans advances them to the next round of the playoff.

[Chris Canty]

But what does this mean for the Chargers moving forward?

[Justin Pugh]

How much pressure will Justin Herbert be on entering next season?

[Matt Jones]

Thanks for listening to Matt and Myron the Podcast. You can listen to the show live every Sunday morning at 10am Eastern on ESPN Radio, the ESPN app, and on Sirius XM channel 80. Matt and Myron the Podcast when you.

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[Myron Metcalf]

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[Myron Metcalf]

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