B (2:53)

No, I don't. I don't think the Bangles will be good enough to make it worth anybody's time. Like it. Just, you get them ready for 20, 26 and build that offensive lineup while you're doing.

A (3:02)

All right, then. Now, Lamar Jackson, I know defense hasn't been good, but he also, I don't think, has been quite as good as he has been the last few years. Do you expect that maybe if the defense was better, we would see better play?

B (3:15)

Possibly. But, you know, Lamar Jackson is one of the greatest players we've ever seen at that position. I think that's real. But age is going to catch everybody. I think especially for quarterbacks who use their mobility the way that he does. He's going to be 29, I want to say, in January, February. So you're getting to that age 30 season for Lamar Jackson. Every quarterback loses a step in that situation. I just think the Ravens are going to have to do more to help Lamar Jackson win games. And if your defense is that bad, you have no chance regardless of what Lamar does. So I just think as an organization, they're in a really tough spot is if this defense continues to play this poorly.

A (3:53)

Patrick Mahomes, there was some questions about, oh, it doesn't look like he's quite as fast. Doesn't seem to have quite the same decision making. And now two straight weeks, he's played almost perfectly. Is Patrick Mahomes in 2025 the Patrick Mahomes you expect him to be?

B (4:11)

He's been better as his receivers have gotten healthy. You know, I think that's undeniable when it comes to Mahomes. I don't think anyone. It wasn't like Mahomes was suddenly viewed as a guy who wasn't a top 10 quarterback. It was, we watched Josh Allen win MVP. We watched Lamar Jackson win MVP. And for a couple of years, I don't think Patrick Mahomes was the best quarterback in football, but I think certainly when you see what he's doing now, I think he, I think he passed the nine different receivers last week in the win over the Ravens. Right. So I think you saw how good he can be when guys like Tyquan Thornton who, who was on the practice squad, he can become a really impactful player.

A (4:50)

He's got two guys on his is skill players who were cut by the Patriots. I mean, I mean like when you're getting guys who were cut by the Patriots to be the core of your, your thing. I mean I, I think it's actually impressive they've been as good as they have.

B (5:04)

Yeah, I mean juju Smith Schuster just kind of waits by the phone until the Kansas City calls him before training camp. He's getting catches. So I think you're seeing a diversified offense and if the defense plays well, Kansas City will once again be hard to be.

A (5:18)

You are also seeing in London a Minnesota team that continues to shoot itself in the foot. A fumble in the red zone on the last possession. And now I missed 51 yard field goal on this one. It is still 1714. Cleveland this would be. They could have easily won that Pittsburgh game. Did not. They could easily win this Cleveland game and now they may not. This could end up being not a good road trip. All right, eight at eight say S.B. ed. King of the Mountain. Let's get to it. Do we have. Well, first of all, it is time for King of the Mountain. Ladies and gentlemen, your winner and new King of the Mountain champion, Mark in Ohio. Go Mark.

C (5:59)

Man. I'm telling you what, at what point are we going to realize Stark is Elmer Fudd with a headset? When it comes to big games 20, 23 and 24 in the playoff, the guy forgets that he's supposed to be a genius play caller. I think you and I could put a heads on out there in a big game and be less nervous than that guy. And as a die hard Michigan fan, I was hoping to God that they.

B (6:20)

Would beat the Buckeyes yesterday. And I knew I was going to be disappointed.

A (6:26)

You know it has now been five weeks since he made that and that take looks better every week, Myron, doesn't it? Elmer Fudd with a headset. King of the Mountain just continues to be more and more correct, Myron, every single week.

B (6:40)

Hey, we're here to make stars, you.

A (6:41)

Know, an opportunity that one may last through the end of the year. Mike, in a while. Eight and eight say ESPN. Let's go to Greg in New York. You got 30 seconds, Greg. Go.

C (6:50)

Hey. Caleb Williams is going to be a long term project at best because. Right. Lincoln Riley didn't prepare him. My daughter's getting her PhD in meteorology at. Oh, you. I started watching the program in Lincoln's last year. That team never looked prepared. Caleb won based on pure talent. Followed them into usc. Same thing. Out of structure. He was fine. There was no structure. He's going to have to be reformed. Find and learn discipline.

A (7:14)

It's interesting, but first of all, your daughter is in urology. Is that correct?

C (7:21)

Meteorology.

A (7:22)

Meteor. Well, those are two very different things, urology and meteorology. You don't want to get those confused either. You got to be very careful if you. If you do that. So you started rooting for Oklahoma, for usc, just because your daughter was going to meteorology.

C (7:41)

Oh, you. Meteorology.

A (7:43)

Okay, gotcha. All right, well, you hear Freddie. Thank you very much, Craig. Hang on just a while.

B (7:49)

Hold on.

A (7:50)

What are you. What are you talking about?

B (7:51)

So your daughter's in urology. That's a. I thought that's what they said. I know I wasn't.

A (7:57)

No, I know.

B (7:57)

It was just. It was just a funny exchange.

A (7:59)

It would have been. Well, I mean, it makes more sense. Meteorology.

B (8:03)

I just.

A (8:04)

You don't. You don't hear a lot of sports calls. Go. My daughter's in urology. Yeah, and I just thought that was just kind of a.

B (8:10)

That would have been unique.

A (8:10)

All right, David. Arizona. Go, Dave.

C (8:14)

A.J. brown. He needs to calm down. I know it's apples to oranges, but it kind of reminds me of Kevin Durant and Golden State. What are you crying about? You guys are between the hashes. Team. Short yordage team. You are decoy out there and they pay you well to do it. They'll hit you three or four times a game. You'll get some good numbers, but. Calm down, A.J. brown.

A (8:35)

Calm down, A.J. brown.

B (8:37)

That's a good. That's a good call. That's a good time.

A (8:41)

Good theme. I like that point. You like that one, Myron?

B (8:44)

I like the. You know, I love the phrases like, Calm down, A.J.

A (8:47)

Brown. Oh, I didn't even catch that. Yeah, calm down, A.J. brown.

B (8:53)

Yeah, I like. I like that. So. And, and interesting. And I think he's accurate. Like, the Eagles are a team that wins in the trenches on both sides of the ball. That's what they've always been. So I love that take.

A (9:04)

All right. Eight, eight, eight. Say ESPN if you have your take. Mike is in okc. Mike, what you got?

C (9:10)

Hey, Miami Dolphins. The coach, he need to go into break dancing. I think we need to just rebuild and get rid of a lot of these knuckleheads. I ordered a Quarter Pounder with cheese and they gave me a bunch of Chicken McNuggets, so I had to send them back.

A (9:32)

I don't know what any of that means. That's a great call because I did line, though. Well, is it. First of all, I would argue Chicken McNuggets are as good, if not better, than a Quarter Pounder.

B (9:45)

I want to know how long he's been awake. I want to know if he ever went to sleep.

A (9:50)

And I also don't know. I mean, what does he mean, he needs to go break dancing? By McDaniel. Like, what does that mean?

B (9:57)

That man sounds like the night is still young.

A (10:01)

At noon.

B (10:02)

Yeah.

A (10:04)

At noon the next day. I like Mike. Oklahoma City. I think he's been in this before. One of these days, he's going to get it. I don't think you. It's like you ordered Big Macs and you got chicken McNuggets.

B (10:16)

Yeah, I don't know that that's.

A (10:17)

I don't know that that makes sense because I. I like Chicken McNuggets. I think a Chicken McNugget is as good as a Big Mac. So I don't totally understand what that analogy.

B (10:25)

And I don't know. Mike McDaniel has to break dancing. I don't know.

A (10:29)

I feel like, though, Mike McDaniel is the kind of dork who did break dancing.

B (10:33)

He probably did. Yeah, he probably. He probably. There's probably a video somewhere him. Of him.

A (10:41)

I feel like he went to. No, listen. I don't know anything about. I feel like he went to a school. He did. And he was, like, trying to fit.

B (10:48)

In and he was. Yeah, he was.

A (10:51)

And he was like, doing the. I could see Mike McDaniels break dancing. Yeah.

B (10:55)

Like jumping into a break dance battle after school. The kid's like, hey, the new kid wants to get in.

A (11:01)

Here we go.

B (11:02)

Everybody move out the way. Let's see what you got, kid.

A (11:08)

Yeah. Christian in Nebraska. Go ahead, Christian.

C (11:17)

I was trying to see with my Vikings. So we don't do a Disney movie. What if they go for Russell Wilson or Sedor Sanders?

B (11:24)

To do what?

C (11:28)

Quarterback.

A (11:29)

Well, I don't know if it'd be any better.

B (11:32)

Russell.

A (11:33)

You really want Russell Wilson? I'm sorry. That's going to be the least good king of the mountain. You're going to be actually one of the people at the bottom selling. Selling trinkets let's go to Derek in South Carolina. Go, Derek.

C (11:48)

Matt. Myron, Love the show. Message to Clemson athletic director, and I'm not a fan. Even though you beat the goat of professional football, athletic director needs to use some of that 60 million and buy out. Buy him a house on the Gulf shores of Alabama. Get him out of the state of South Carolina so he can just be a frequent guest on Paul Feinbaum.

A (12:17)

Yeah, you mean in the Senate. Thank you very much there. I assume he's talking about Dabo. He and Paul can go. Go. And Paul could be dabble. Could be a Senate page if he wants. If that happens. All right, so our five contenders for this week's win. You got Greg in North Carolina that says his daughter went into meteorology and that led him to cheer for Oklahoma. And Caleb Williams needs a system. You got Dave in Arizona. Calm down, A.J. brown. You got Mike in Oklahoma City who says you want Big Macs, but he's got chicken nuggets. You got Christian Nebraska, who wants to bring Russell Wilson into Minnesota. And then you got Dabo joining the Senate with Paul. Fine Bomb with Derek in South Carolina. Who you got as your winner this week?

B (13:05)

Mark? I like Calm down, A.J. brown guy. I mean, I feel like that's the winner. I feel like he was organized, his timing was good, and he was right to the point. I like that.

A (13:16)

All right, so congrats to David. Arizona, you're calm down, A.J. brown. Now, more importantly, who's better? Mark In Ohio, St. Steve Sarkeesian is Elmer Fudd in the headset or calm down, A.J. brown.

B (13:29)

I feel like Mark in Ohio has had his time. You know, he's been praised the way that he deserves to be, but I'm in The Calm down, A.J. brown Club.

A (13:37)

Really? You want to knock him off?

B (13:39)

I feel like. Calm down, AJ Brown.

A (13:41)

Voting the other way. I'm voting the other way. I feel like a take that gets better every week is because Sarkeesian keeps being not good, and then they lose Saturday to Florida. To me, Elmer Fudd becomes more and more correct. So I'm going to vote for them. That means, James, you're going to have to be the tiebreaker. Who's our king of the mountain? Is it Market Ohio or is it Dave in Arizona?

B (14:03)

Yeah, I'm sorry, Dave in Arizona. Calm down, A.J. brown. Great line. Market Ohio. That take is still really, really good. And it happened, what, five weeks ago?

A (14:12)

Five weeks ago. All right, so he remains. Getting knocked off the mountain is not easy. So Dave in Arizona. Dave, I was with you, Regroup.

B (14:21)

Yeah. Come back next week.

A (14:22)

Try to think of another.

B (14:24)

Was really good. It was really good. It was great. I thought, you know, did the job. You understood the assignment.

A (14:29)

As the kids say, yeah, just think of another rhyme. Be. But be like, I'm gonna build a fence with Carson Wentz. Like something like that. That's what you want to do.

B (14:38)

Why do you always, when you do rap, it sounds like 1985. Like the first time people ever rapped in the history of rap. Like, you rap like the day people discovered rap. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you rap like that. Everybody, everybody jump, pump. Like that's how you rap. Like you rap like those dudes.

A (15:00)

Everybody build a fence.

B (15:02)

Everybody's name like Grandmaster, you know, like, that's right.

A (15:06)

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B (17:09)

Matt and Myron.

A (17:10)

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B (17:49)

Could be. Could be. I mean they look better than they did on the Flacco, that's for sure. This is a, this is a big moment, I think for him and to try to prove he can be the guy.

A (17:58)

Big moment for the Vikings who started out looking so good at two and oh, lost two straight and now could end up losing to Cleveland, going 2 and 3 and finishing oh and 2 on their venture into the into the Ireland England island. Now Patriots and Bills are going to play tonight. Drake May and Josh Allen. There was a lot of talk with Drake May came in the league of he's got Josh Allen s qualities, he's played well. I mean one can one thing that's kind of like Josh Allen in his first couple years is Drake Mace had some amazing moments and then he just does horribly stupid things. Josh Allen would do that for the first couple years. Do you think the Patriots have any shot against the Buffalo team on the on the road? They have a chance to score enough to keep it interesting.

B (18:48)

I think they have a shot but but only because the Bills, as good as they are, just fine ways to play down to their competition. I do think the Patriots are getting better. You know, it's also like every year, Matt, that we've done the show. I feel like the Bills have some loss to like the jets or some team where you're like there's no way they can lose. They do to that team. Right? And then they, they almost do or they make it harder than it has to be. But I think the Bills are. This might be Josh Allen's best team just in terms of their ceiling.

A (19:21)

They're the super bowl favorites. Right.

B (19:24)

I Don't. I don't know. I mean, I don't know if they're. They've surpassed the Eagles yet because they are still undefeated.

A (19:32)

I make. I'm, I'm, I'm going on record as they're the super bowl favorites, and I felt that way since before the year, but I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise so far this season.

B (19:41)

Well, they got to do it. Well, they got to do it.

A (19:43)

I mean, you earlier were criticizing the Eagles. You earlier was saying they haven't shown anything.

B (19:48)

No, they've. They've won ugly. My, my point with the Eagles is, is that a team that is winning in these really difficult situations and that's a skill, or is that a team that is, you know, showing some of their weaknesses that are going to catch up to them down the road? We don't know that.

A (20:05)

I think it is.

B (20:07)

I, you know, they've lost like one game in the last calendar year or two games in the last calendar year. I think they're going to figure it out. Like, if you can win ugly, I'd rather win like that than, than lose. So I think they'll figure it out.

A (20:20)

The Cowboys are going to the Jets. The Cowboys now 12 and one after a surprise tie in Green Bay. Really odd game all the way around, including a tie. But I think for the Cowboys, it's probably a win considering most people expected Micah Parsons to come in and Domina game. Do you care at all about this Cowboys team? I mean, they, they're weird. They, they've been in every game, but they also haven't felt exciting. They only have one win, but, you know, you win Today, you're 2, 2 and 1, and you're kind of not sitting in a bad position. What do you like for them today in New York?

B (20:55)

I mean, I thought that the tie, like, I hate, like, I don't think there should ever be a tie in sports. Like, that shouldn't be allowed to happen. And it did with Packers Cowboys. I mean, both teams had their chance in the fourth quarter, couldn't finish the job. But, you know, we're going to talk about, okay, who's in that fifth spot in the NFL in terms of the fifth best quarterback behind Burrow and Josh Allen, Lamar and Patrick Mahomes. I think Dak Prescott is making his game really well.

A (21:24)

I mean, you're putting Dak there.

B (21:26)

I mean, you look at what Dak Prescott did last week. You know, CD Lamb is out, out of that game with an injury, and he had a couple throws to George Pickens that few quarterbacks I think in this league could have made like that Dallas team should not even be able to hang with a team like Green Bay considering how bad they've been defensively. Yet they were able to do that against a Green Bay team that was a Super bowl sleeper for a lot of people coming into the year. So I think Dak deserves a lot more credit than he's getting for even keeping that team alive in tough games. Yeah, I think.

A (22:00)

I mean, there's some truth to that. I think they win today in New York as the the jets still try to find their way. We'll see though. The jets, this is one of those games that I would definitely not put money on one way or the other. The Vikings did get a three and out for Cleveland in this game that has been full of three and outs. Carson Wentz now has the ball with a chance to drive and tie or win the game. Does he do it?

B (22:23)

We're gonna find out.

A (22:25)

That's a great answer, Matt Myron next here on ESPN Radio.

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A (23:34)

From Letcher County, Kentucky.

B (23:36)

The raccoon I found in a dumpster.

A (23:38)

And it had got so drunk it.

B (23:40)

Had had fell over into some water and it had drowned. I did CPR on it and I was able to bring it back to life.

A (23:49)

How did it get A moonshine distillery.

B (23:53)

And they had put their fermented peaches.

A (23:56)

In that dumpster and it had ate.

B (23:59)

Those peaches apparently all night until it had got so drunk it couldn't eat anymore.

A (24:06)

You like that Myron? That happens sometimes.

B (24:11)

Amazing. It's an amazing story so once it.

A (24:15)

Was over, did it. Thank you.

C (24:17)

Well, it was still drunk.

B (24:19)

So it slept the rest of the day.

A (24:24)

It was still drunk.

B (24:25)

Still drunk.

A (24:27)

You can't expect all niceties to occur when it is still drunk, which it was. Mad Meyer is brought to you by ESPN, Bet Sportsbook. Download the app today 21 plus, if you have a gambling problem called 1-800- gambler. Right now, Minnesota is driving 57 seconds to go down three in Cleveland. They are in the red zone, so they conceivably could get the field goal, but they're clearly going for the win. It is third and three. Got to be careful here, Myron, because if you don't get the first down, you could give Cleveland the ball back even if you have the field goal, and they'd have a chance to come down and actually win. Yeah, well, play right here on third three. If you're. If your. Carson Wentz. What do you call it? If you're Kevin Stefancy. What's the. What's your. Or, excuse me, Kevin o'. Connor. What's your. What's your. What's your call here?

B (25:13)

I'm throwing a post to Justin Jeff. Justin Jefferson. I'm trying to get into the end zone, man.

A (25:18)

Let's see if they. Let's see if you get this right.

B (25:19)

So you're calling.

A (25:20)

You're calling post to Justin Jefferson.

B (25:23)

Well, I'm trying to get in the end zone. That has to be. I think that has to be the. The goal. I'm not tying it up and leaving any time on the. On the clock.

A (25:30)

Yeah, I think you get with 57 seconds. You're giving them plenty of time. But we'll let you know what happens while we're waiting for this play. By the way, this occurred during the week. What do you think of Bad Bunny being the super bowl halftime show? You excited to hear a little Mallow Bunny action?

B (25:46)

I love it. I love it. I also love that a lot of people don't understand Puerto Rico in the United States. There's a lot of people. There are a lot of commentary about that.

A (25:54)

People don't know Puerto Rico's in the United States.

B (25:56)

I'll tell you what. He is gigantic, and I think people are going to see that when he.

A (26:02)

What's your favorite Bad Bunny song?

B (26:04)

He's got this song with this rapper named Little Miko. No, no. He's got this song with this rapper named Little Miko. I don't know the name of the song, but I like it. I like it. I like Bad Bunny.

A (26:14)

Wait a minute. You don't. But you don't know the name of the song.

B (26:16)

I know Little Miko, who's a rapper.

A (26:18)

Who's Little Miko?

B (26:19)

It's a rapper who we featured on, like, his album a couple years ago, and then she got huge. She has, like, 20 million Instagram followers now.

A (26:27)

All right, well, good. I don't know any Bad Bunnies. I know the one that they played when he got introduced at the wrestling event. That's the one. And I like it. It's, like.

B (26:41)

Pretty good. Yeah, he nailed it.

A (26:45)

That's how it goes. F plays that one.

B (26:47)

There is no Bad Bunny song that goes. Bert burp. Like, what are you.

A (26:53)

But James, play the. Play the song. I got to find that he was. I mean, we have a deal with wwe. I don't care. Just play his entrance. Play his entrance into Backlash 2023 or whatever.

B (27:06)

You want the song or you want the entrance?

A (27:07)

I want the entrance. Because you hear everybody yelling, but that's the song I want. It's like, where are you?

B (27:14)

Where are you getting your bad buddy albums? Are you getting them off a dude on the street?

A (27:20)

I just, I like. Plus, he played, he played Shrek on Saturday Night Live.

B (27:24)

I, I, he's good and he's huge. People don't realize how big.

A (27:28)

Do you agree, though, that the reason. I mean, part of the thing about picking Bad Bunny is also sort of acknowledging a little bit what we were talking about earlier about the NFL wanting to expand. I mean, you're, you're, you're basically picking him probably more for your, your international audience than even, Even your American.

B (27:47)

Yeah. I mean, and he's just, like, one of the few global superstars out there. Like, I mean, Shakira did it a couple years ago, but, like, my then.

A (27:58)

Girlfriend got mad at me.

B (27:59)

Why? Because Shakira did the show.

A (28:01)

I went on the radio and I said that Shakira, like, I was a fan.

B (28:08)

What were you supposed to say?

A (28:10)

I mean, I think she didn't want me, like I said. And this is true. Like, there's, like, five women that I have crushes on.

B (28:17)

Okay.

A (28:18)

And Shakira is one of them. Oh, the crush. Yeah. And I just thought the performance, like, you know, I can see why I had a crush on her, right? And she didn't. She didn't like that. And she got mad at me. And so I've always. I've never been able to truly appreciate the performance. Cause, like, she got upset at me about it.

B (28:36)

She got mad at you for having eyes?

A (28:37)

She got mad at me. For thinking that Shakira looked good in that performance. All right.

B (28:41)

Hey, in other news, Shaq is tall. I mean, I don't know what to tell people right at the end of the day, right? We can play games if we want to, but, you know, like. Like that was a big performance for a lot of reasons. Bad Bunny will be a giant performance as well. This will be a next level kind of thing.

A (28:57)

James, he's getting all right, by the way. Minnesota just scores.

B (29:02)

Yeah, they did.

A (29:02)

On a touchdown. Let's see who caught the pass. Wentz throws it into the back of the end zone.

B (29:08)

I think it's Jordan Addison. Am I missing that?

A (29:11)

Right? And the Vikings lead by four. Wentz takes them the length of the field on a 3 1/2 minute drive. And there's only 17 seconds left. Is this the Carson Wentz breakout drive here to get the Vikings a win?

B (29:24)

I mean, he threw for 300 yards. Plus last week against Pittsburgh, they just couldn't get the job done. So, you know, Jordan Addison was out for the first quarter due to coach's decision, so nobody knows what happened there, but he redeemed himself here. I think the Vikings have an interesting conversation, right? If Carson Wentz wins this game, played well enough to help you win last week. It didn't happen. If Jason McCarthy isn't ready, what do you do? So I think they have a lot of things to discuss.

A (29:50)

Three and two now, Minnesota will be. Cleveland will drop to one in four Chiefs and Jags play today. Going to Jacksonville. It's Kansas City, my man, Liam Cohen. Duvall has gotten them going now. They haven't beaten anybody good yet. They're going to get their chance today. How do you think it's going to go?

B (30:09)

Should God. Josh Hines Allen too, right?

A (30:11)

Sorry, it's Monday night, but go ahead.

B (30:13)

Josh Hines Allen's your guy too, right?

A (30:14)

He's been great. Yeah, great this year. I mean, he's been awesome.

B (30:17)

Awesome. Worth every penny that. That they paid him. I mean, that defense looks tough. You know, I think they have 13 takeaways through four games, which I believe is a franchise record. Three or more turnovers per game for the first four weeks of a season. It's amazing. We're talking about what they're doing defensively. We're talking about Liam Cohen and what he's doing to try to boost this offense from week to week. We're not talking at all about Travis Hunter. Like, I've never seen a guy go from the talk of the NFL to no one said his name.

A (30:46)

Thomas hasn't had a. I mean, like, they're three and one and sort of their big weapons have really not been their weapons.

B (30:52)

But we don't know if Travis Hunter is a big weapon. I mean, I think we're seeing, and I said this before the season, I didn't think he could do it. But the one thing is, I assume that he would be great somewhere. He'd be great at cornerback or he'd be great as a receiver. And we would find out in the first couple of weeks of the season and Liam Cohen would have to make a decision. Now we're finding out that he's not good at either position right now.

A (31:13)

Well, I mean, I don't think that's. Hear me out, though.

B (31:16)

Hear me out. I'm not, I'm not saying talent wise, this may be a young player who's just overwhelmed with all they're throwing at him and they've got to make a choice about how to use him.

A (31:25)

I think they do have to make a choice. I mean, to me, if you were going to play both, what you do, I feel like as an expert in terms of figuring out how to make players be able to play both offense and defense, you get him really good at one and then you introduce the other one.

B (31:41)

Right?

A (31:42)

I mean, that's what they should have done. They should have in year one said, okay, this is the year we make. You're the defensive player. Right. This is the year we make sure that you are a great cornerback and then we'll start adding you in some receiver packages next year. But I think when you try to give him two right at the beginning, you're asking for him to be overwhelmed, right?

B (31:59)

Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's a lot, I think, for any young player. There's a reason we haven't seen anyone try this. There's a reason we haven't seen a young guy come into the league and try to play multiple spots. Cause I think it's just too difficult. But if you're gonna move up to number two, you better find out what you have and you better find a way to get him involved, or else you're gonna look like you've made one of the worst draft decisions in a long time.

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A (33:25)

It is now time to do what we do every week, which is pick game. Yes, that's right. Before we get started counting you down to kickoff, it's time to take a pick.

B (33:34)

Take your pick.

A (33:35)

You take your pick.

B (33:37)

It's time to take your pick with Matt and Myron.

A (33:41)

Now it is every week we like to have a celebrity guest picker join us. And it is Coaches Day. That's right. This is where today we honor our coaches all across America. And in order to do that, our celebrity guest picker is Matt Margin Thaler. He is the Minnesota State Mankato basketball head Coach. He's the 2024 national champion. That's where Myron went to college. And he's here. Matt, how are you, sir?

C (34:08)

Hey, I'm great, man. I love that. Mad fan, Myron.

B (34:11)

Yeah. Let's go, Maverick. Stand up.

C (34:13)

Hey, Coach.

B (34:14)

Always great to talk to you. I don't know if they noticed. I was. I played football my freshman year and then I was the public address announcer for the basketball team. So I was at every single game. You know, it was a lot of fun, man, those days.

A (34:27)

I gotta ask you a quick question. Last year you got on the road in the preseason and played at my Kentucky Wildcats. What was that like?

C (34:36)

That was an unbelievable experience. Coach Pope is a great guy. And honestly, you know, even though we got beat by 25 or something like that, I mean, I thought we played well in the first half. But to get the experience to be in Rupp Arena, I mean, the mecca of college basketball, and to be treated the way we were treated, treated by the Kentucky faithful, that would be something and our staff will never forget.

A (34:58)

That's awesome, Matt. Thank you very much. It is National Coaches Day tomorrow across the country, and ESPN is working together with the Positive Coaching Alliance, National Parks Associations and others to get more coaches into the system and provide training to them. It's all part of ESPN's Take Back Sports initiative. Matt, are you ready to Make a pick some NFL games.

C (35:21)

Fellas.

A (35:21)

Let's do it. Matt. Margaret Thaler, Minnesota State, Mankato winning national titles. What's the first game?

B (35:29)

Texans and Ravens.

A (35:30)

Texans at Ravens. This is a big one. The loser here goes to one in four and becomes hard to make the playoffs. Cooper Rush for the Ravens. I'm going to take the Ravens still to win. Cooper Rush pulls it off at home. Matt, what do you got?

C (35:45)

I gotta go with you, man. I'm going with the Ravens myself.

A (35:47)

All right, Myron, we changing up the.

B (35:49)

Order and how we normally do it. Okay. Yes, I will go with the Ravens, barely just because they're at home. Even with Cooper Rush, I'll pick the Ravens.

A (35:58)

All right, what's next?

B (36:00)

Giants at Saints.

A (36:02)

You're right. Byron, you go first.

B (36:04)

Yeah. They don't switch things up because coach is here. Like coach, that's not how we normally do it. So we'll go back to doing it how we normally do do it. I will pick Jackson Dart on the road against Spitzer, Rattler and company. The Saints are better than people thought against the Bills for the first three quarters last weekend. I think Jackson has a certain swagger. No Malik neighbors, but still give me the Giants to win.

C (36:23)

Matt, I'm gonna do this. I'm going with Myron on that one, too. I like the new quarterback and it looked good last week.

A (36:31)

Jackson dart's got great hair. When I see a quarterback, I want to see a quarterback with great hair. Handsome usually wins. I'm going to take the Giants on the road against New Orleans. What's next?

B (36:42)

Broncos at Eagles fire.

A (36:44)

This game's on ESPN Radio. Right after us. What do you got?

B (36:47)

Yeah. So in the second half last week against the Buccaneers, they blitz. Jalen hurts a lot. And he couldn't get any successful passing going. He was over 8. I think the Broncos are going to pressure him again. The Broncos get the upset. They win at the Eagles today.

A (36:59)

Mankato, what do you got?

C (37:02)

I gotta go the Eagles. I mean, the defense is awful good, so I'm gonna stay with them.

A (37:06)

Yeah, I'm take the Eagles. I admire been down on them the entire show saying they can't play until they. Until you beat. To be the man, you got to beat the man. That's what Ric Flair said. And nobody's beating the man. I'm taking the Eagles. What's next? Cowboys at Jets.

B (37:24)

Yeah, I think the only thing people know about the jets is Aaron Glenn running that down the sidelines on a big play in a game his team lost. I just think they got a lot of heavy lifting to do in New York. Give me the Cowboys to win.

A (37:37)

Matt.

C (37:38)

I think we got two bad teams right here but I'll go with the Cowboys.

A (37:42)

You're exactly right. It would be a very Cowboys thing to do to tie the packers and then end up losing at the jets the next week. But I do think they win. I'll take the Cowboys to get the win on the road. What's next Raiders at Colts?

B (37:56)

Yeah I mean I think Ashton Genti is going up against against the running back that he hopes to be one day and Jonathan Taylor in Indianapolis. I mean the way that they can just run the ball all day long that will be the Colts winning weapon. They're going to win again today.

C (38:09)

Matt I'm with I go with Andy.

A (38:13)

I'm going to take the Raiders on the road to pull off the upset make Myron Gino you go traveling geno that's what you want. I'm going to take the Raiders.

B (38:21)

What's next Dolphins at Panthers if you.

A (38:25)

Watch this you're sad Meow mix didn't even watch it.

B (38:27)

What do you got my I think obviously Tyreek Hill being out Panthers didn't look good last week but I just don't trust Mike McDaniel on the road especially after losing Tyree kill you in the Panthers to win.

A (38:39)

Oh Panthers. What do you got Matt I'm going.

C (38:42)

To stay at the Panthers too Myron.

A (38:43)

Boy y' all just don't want any road teams. Give me the dolphins. Mike McDaniel is going to break dance all the way through Carolina maybe I'm taking the Dolphins.

B (38:53)

What's next Buccaneers at Seahawks. I mean the injury report for the Bucks it's just always so long and I think the Seahawks are just continue to get better with Sam Darnold I think Jackson Smith and Jigba might be the best receiver not name Puka Nakua. So give me the Seahawks to win.

C (39:11)

That Matt I'm staying with the Seahawks too. At another home game.

A (39:16)

What is it with you Mankato guys?

B (39:17)

We stick together.

A (39:20)

Same every single pick man. Different. You think I'm going to pick pick maker play field on the road in honor of Dan or Lovsky victory give me Maker and the bucks. But before we go to the next one I'm going to assume nobody wants the Titans, right? Nobody wants the Titans.

B (39:38)

No. Cam Ward said his team is terrible right? Yeah I mean that's no he said.

A (39:42)

Quote we asked that was what he said and when your own quarterback says that can we say that I did you cannot pick up what's next customer.

B (39:51)

The second time today. Titans and Cardinals.

A (39:53)

Not just. We just did that one. This the next one.

B (39:55)

We already did it. Go to the next one.

A (39:56)

Come on, James.

B (39:58)

Commander Zed. Chargers.

A (39:59)

All right, Byron, there you go.

B (40:00)

So, I mean, this is a big game. Obviously, Jaden Daniels coming back matters a lot. You got to look at the Chargers offensive line, which has been a growing issue for them. Joe Al is hurt now. Maai Beckton's been injured. Rashawn Slater got hurt coming into the season. So Justin Herbert might be running for his life in this game. Jaden Daniels gives them the edge. Give me the commanders to win this.

A (40:17)

All right, Coach, who you got? Commander Chargers.

C (40:20)

Hey, I'm. I'm staying Mankato man.

B (40:22)

Commander Chargers.

A (40:23)

Let's go, you Mankato people.

B (40:26)

It's like, oh, man, it's a man.

A (40:29)

Cato. I'm going to take the Kentucky fan. No, Kentucky fans are rational. You heard. You heard Matt say we were very hospitable. I'm gonna take the Chargers to win. What's next?

B (40:42)

Lions at Bengals. Jake Browning, can he do it? The answer is no. I think the Lions are too good. I think the Lions, you know, are getting better and better with new coordinators, and that should scare the nfc. I think they're going to put up a big number.

A (40:56)

What if he just puts a factory of guys who all succeed? Matt, what do you got?

C (41:01)

Hey, the lines are fun to watch. Offensively, I must. I'm gonna go the Lions.

A (41:05)

I'm gonna take the Lions as well. Cincinnati Ohio is gonna have to eat some Skyline to make themselves a little happier. What's next?

B (41:14)

Patriots at Bills.

A (41:15)

There you go. Drake May gets the. The guy models his game after Josh Allen. What do you have?

B (41:20)

I mean, the Patriots got better last week, but I think the Bills might be the team to beat in the entire NFL. I mean, James Cook, they made a big, big push to resign him, and he's doing well. I think the Bills win this game and maybe by double digits.

A (41:33)

All right, what do you got, Matt.

C (41:36)

Staying at Same thing. Bill's gonna get this one.

A (41:38)

Unbelievable. I mean, this. Like this. This is just. Everybody picks the same one. I'm gonna take the Bills as well.

B (41:44)

Love it.

A (41:44)

We got one more chance, Matt, to separate from Myron. We got what's.

B (41:50)

Chiefs at Jaguars.

A (41:52)

What do you got, Metcalf?

B (41:54)

I mean, the Jags are playing some of the best defense in the entire NFL. 13 takeaways over the first four weeks of the season. Can they pressure this new Kansas City Offense with Xavier Worthy and company, I think they can. Jacksonville wins this game.

A (42:08)

Jacksonville wins. All right, Matt, here's your chance.

C (42:10)

Wow. I am gonna go with the Chiefs, man.

A (42:14)

All right, there we go.

C (42:16)

The last one.

A (42:17)

Myron. My bad. You made the right call. I'm not picking against my home. You want Trevor Lawrence? I'll take Patrick Mahomes. I'll take the Chiefs. Matt Margaret, they are Minnesota State Mankato. Tell me what your team's gonna be like this year. We got a chance to be good.

C (42:33)

We're gonna be good again. Yeah, we, we got, you know, with everything. We have a half new team, transfer kids in a couple good freshmen. And so we start up this week but with official practice. So it's. It's go time.

A (42:44)

Brad, does the whole portal even affect on the D2 level?

B (42:48)

Huge.

C (42:49)

It does. It affects every, every level. And I mean we're in the nil. We're into the. The portal. Everything that division one's got going, we got the same. And it looks like we're gonna even vote next month to give our kids five years instead of four. So that's gonna be something going down the pipeline.

A (43:04)

Oh, that's kind of interesting.

B (43:05)

That could be big. That could tell them I said be tough this season. That's my advice. Tough to I tell them that came straight from me this season.

C (43:12)

Okay, you got it, man. We have to be. Because we. We were soft last year. We'll be ready to roll.

A (43:18)

We'll be ready to roll. Matt Margaret or Minnesota State Mankato. Thank you very much. NFL all day. We'll see you later. This has been Matt Myron.

B (43:25)

Thanks for listening to Matt and Myron the podcast. You can listen to the show live every Sunday morning at 10am Eastern on ESPN radio, the ESPN app, and on Sirius XM channel 80. Matt and Myron the podcast.

D (43:46)

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