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Episode: ATHLETIC GREATS: John Cena on Championship Mentality, Reinvention and Never Giving Up

Air Date: February 8, 2026
Host: Willie Geist
Guest: John Cena

Episode Overview

In this engaging episode, Willie Geist sits down with wrestling icon, actor, and children’s author John Cena. Their conversation covers Cena’s championship mindset, his journey of constant reinvention, his transition into acting, and his impact as a positive force for young fans. Cena opens up about his childhood, the philosophy behind his books, the evolution of his WWE persona, lessons on failure and perseverance, and how he balances humility with massive public success. Notable throughout is his humility, authenticity, and deep message: "Never Give Up."

Key Discussion Points and Insights

John Cena’s Children’s Book and Its Message

• Inspiration behind "Elbow Grease" series ([06:00]):
  • Cena wrote his kids’ book in response to hearing that many young WWE fans’ parents felt their kids weren’t ready for the wrestling shows, but loved his “never give up” ethos.
  • The book features a family of monster trucks, each with unique personalities – echoing his own experience growing up with four brothers.
  • The main character, Elbow Grease, is an underdog whose primary asset is perseverance, not obvious talent.
• Themes for young readers ([08:07]):
  • Cena emphasizes the importance of young people trying new things, embracing failure, and not limiting themselves to only what they’re naturally good at.
  • "I've never really been outstanding at anything except sticking with something. So it's a message I really wanted to send, and I think it's important." – John Cena ([08:42])
• Teamwork & Inclusion ([09:54], [10:50]):
  • The newest book, "Elbow Grease vs Motozilla," tackles working well with others, at a time when division is prevalent.
  • Subtle messages of inclusion, such as the mechanic Mel, who is a girl, reinforcing that talent knows no gender.

Becoming a Hero to Kids and Make-A-Wish

• WWE persona evolution ([12:34]):
  • Originally targeted at teens and young males, Cena consciously shifted his style to connect with the growing number of kids coming to WWE events.
  • "I was vulnerable enough to kind of drop a very successful act and evolve into another phase of my personality." ([14:14])
• Work with Make-A-Wish ([15:28]):
  • Cena holds the record for most wishes granted (over 500) and feels personal resonance with the "never give up" message, especially for kids facing illnesses.
  • "If the person they see and they're inspired by on television every week is saying never give up, that's something they can take with them through those difficult times." ([16:02])
• Affirmation from Parents and Fans ([15:30]):
  • Cena notes that he gets open feedback from parents—some admit they boo him, but their kids love him.
  • He listens to "the pitch" of cheers and boos at events to understand his audience, with kids giving the higher-pitched cheers.

Humble Beginnings and Family Life

• Growing up in Massachusetts ([16:30]):
  • Cena describes a competitive household of five boys, where getting dinner or attention required grit, ingenuity, and perseverance.
  • He learned the importance of failure as a life lesson; "It taught me the lessons of failure very, very easily. I wasn't always the best at everything. My brothers would kick my butt... but it instilled that failure is essentially okay and you can learn from it." ([17:33])
• Being a Bit of an Outsider ([17:52]):
  • Cena gravitated toward different music (hip-hop), fashion, and habits, setting him apart from his brothers by embracing individuality—even when no one else joined in.
• Staying Grounded ([19:29]):
  • Cena credits his family with keeping him humble: "They just will not allow me to be anything else but me... They just refused to let me lose sight of who I actually am." ([19:43])

The Rise in Wrestling & Mindset

• Early fandom and ambition ([21:02]):
  • Cena idolized Hulk Hogan, with childhood dreams as much about wrestling championships as major league sports.
  • Family would create their own backyard championships, fueling imagination and passion.
• College Football and Realism ([24:31]):
  • Was an all-American Division III football player, more for grit than talent – "Much more grit than talent." ([24:39])
  • Understood his limitations and never fantasized about the NFL, a model for recognizing and accepting personal reality.

Road to Wrestling Stardom

• Post-college hustle ([26:14]):
  • Moved to LA with $500 and two duffel bags; worked odd jobs at Gold’s Gym and even lived in his car for a while, loving every minute.
  • Considered law enforcement and the Marines before a friend suggested wrestling school ([28:50]).
• Wrestling school basics ([30:34]):
  • Wrestlers start by learning universal fundamentals and safety before developing unique personas and stories.
  • Early WWE persona, “The Prototype,” was not successful, but Cena embraced pivoting and evolution ([32:29]).
  • Adaptability proved to be crucial: "You can perform around the world once you have it, if you become successful." ([32:04])

Mentality on Success and Staying Hungry

• Never feeling like “the guy” ([34:53]):
  • Despite huge stardom, Cena keeps a “you’re only as good as your next one” mindset, noting WWE's ability to replace even top stars.
  • "I've never ever once thought that. I always just look forward to the next one." ([35:53])
• Improvisation vs. Planning in Wrestling ([37:45]):
  • Prefers improvisation in front of live crowds: "I just go out there... and allow the biggest superstar in the WWE, the audience, to play their role." ([39:22])
  • Shifts performance based on audience energy and response.
  • Admits to frequent failures: "In the 20 years, I probably batted around 200. Come on. No, for real. For real. But I'm brave enough to try." ([41:19])

Reinvention: From Wrestling to Hollywood

• Why pursue acting? ([43:23]):
  • Was originally a business decision (“turn you guys into movie stars”), but grew to love storytelling and playing different characters.
  • Feels responsibility to give hope through his WWE character, but acting allows him to be different, try new things, and grow.
  • "Movies offered me a great place to continue to tell stories and be different, show different sides of personality." ([44:30])
• Balancing health and career ([46:32]):
  • At age 42, he recognizes the physical toll of his profession and plans to phase down in-ring performances but never leave WWE completely.
  • “It’s a country song—I’m not as good as I once was, but I’m as good once as I ever was.” ([47:55])
  • Emphasizes the importance of giving younger wrestlers center stage while making his own appearances special.

Acting Career Highlights and Approach

• On "Trainwreck" and comedy ([48:33]):
  • Relished the experience of being cast by Amy Schumer, embraced the chance to make fun of himself, and credits environment of support for his willingness to take risks.
  • “When someone that funny says, ‘I think you'd be funny in a funny movie,’ I'm floored because I love making people laugh and I don't mind the joke being on me.” ([48:33])
• Selecting roles ([50:52]):
  • Chooses projects he enjoys and learns from, preferring to be surrounded by people more experienced than him.

Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson Comparison ([51:07])

• On Rock’s trailblazing career:
  • Acknowledges the path Dwayne Johnson paved for wrestlers turned actors.
  • “He has made it palatable for someone in sports entertainment to go beyond sports entertainment. … I'm forever grateful to him, especially now, because of what he did as a pioneer.” ([52:38])
• On carving his own path:
  • While inspired by Rock’s example, Cena emphasizes the importance of authenticity and not being a copy of those who came before:
  • “You never want to be the next something, right?... I'm not going to be the next anybody. I'm going to be the first me." ([54:18])

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Perseverance and Growth Mindset
  “If they don't learn that when things get hard just to kind of stick with it and you can make it, they'll literally just begin to give up easy and only stick to things that they're good at.” – John Cena ([06:31])

• On Changing His Persona for the Sake of Fans
  “I actively stepped forward and said, I need to change my personality because of supply and demand. This is my audience.” – John Cena ([13:37])

• On Humility and Family
  “Success in any sort of level of relevance or finance is just a moot point… They just refused to let me lose sight of who I actually am.” – John Cena ([19:29])

• On the Nature of Wrestling as Entertainment
  “The most rewarding feeling is when you can craft a narrative that has the live audience on the edge of... making them believe.” – John Cena ([36:29])

• On Risk and Failure
  “I have failed in that venue so many times… In the 20 years, I probably batted around 200… But I'm brave enough to try.” – John Cena ([41:19])

• On Dwayne Johnson's Influence
  “To say that I want to emulate the career of Dwayne Johnson is true in some aspects because he was brave enough to be the first one to be like, no, we are more… But I also know that if you are a copy of someone, that is all that you will be. So I just try to… be the first me.” – John Cena ([52:38], [54:18])

Timestamps for Important Segments

• [06:00] – Cena explains the inspiration and message behind Elbow Grease series
• [10:50] – Gender inclusivity: Mel the mechanic’s role in his books
• [14:14] – How Cena evolved his WWE persona for his growing young audience
• [15:28] – Make-A-Wish impact and the power of being a positive role model
• [17:33] – Cena’s childhood, life lessons on failure, and sibling competition
• [19:29] – The role of family in keeping Cena grounded
• [21:02] – Wrestling fandom and childhood dreams
• [24:39] – College football, grit, and embracing limitations
• [26:14] – Early post-college struggles and hustle in LA
• [32:04] – Universal basics of wrestling; persona evolution
• [34:53] – On never feeling irreplaceable and always staying hungry
• [37:45] – Improvisational wrestling: reading and feeding off the crowd
• [44:30] – On why acting fulfills his love for storytelling
• [46:32] – The physical reality of aging in a punishing profession
• [48:33] – Landing "Trainwreck" and insights on taking comedic risks
• [51:07] – The Rock’s impact and carving your own path
• [54:18] – The lesson of being the “first you,” not the next anyone

Overall Takeaways and Tone

John Cena comes across as down-to-earth, reflective, and relentlessly positive. His message—never give up, embrace failure, stay humble, and be yourself—resonates not just with wrestling fans but anyone navigating challenges or seeking personal growth. The episode is peppered with humor, humility, genuine insights, and infectious passion for storytelling and connecting with audiences of all ages. Whether discussing monster trucks, body slams, or acting, Cena’s sincerity and drive are clear throughout.

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