
Ina Garten is a New York Times bestselling author and Food Network legend known for elevating home entertaining with warmth and simplicity. In this conversation from May 2025, Garten and Willie Geist continue their conversation from the second Sunday Sitdown Live at City Winery, in which Garten demonstrates how to build the perfect dessert tray and reveals her dream dinner guests. (Venue sponsored by City Winery.)
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Hey guys, Willie Geist here with another episode of the Sunday Sit down podcast. My thanks as always for tuning in again this week for a special episod with Ina Garten. In episode one, we brought you my sit down conversation with Ina in front of a live audience at City Winery in New York City. Now, in part two, in front of that same audience at City Winery in New York City, we popped up and built a proper dessert tray. I didn't know how to build a dessert tray. Guess who does? Ina Garten. Turns out you want a mix of shapes, you want a mix of sizes, you want a mix of colors, you want some greenery on that platter, you want. You want some fruit on that platter. We also poured a proper cocktail, which was a Kir Royale. She will explain that to you. How you mix it. It's actually two ingredients. It's very simple. We had a great time with the demo in front of the audience and then fielding audience questions as they came in. So sit back, relax now, and enjoy part two of my conversation with Ina Garten. Right now on the Sunday Sit down podcast.
Ina Garten
When you're having a dinner party, everybody thinks they have to do some over the top dessert, which takes so much time to make. I have a way to make a dessert that's equally over the top but really simple, requires no cooking at all.
Willie Geist
Did I hear dessert?
Ina Garten
Dessert in the right place at the right time.
Willie Geist
See you on the streets of New York. So I understand dessert starts with flowers. Yeah.
Ina Garten
Unusually, it does okay, let's go shopping.
Willie Geist
Oh, this is a beautiful shop.
Ina Garten
Isn't it a fabulous shop? So we're not doing flowers on food. We're doing flowers on the table. So I think these peonies are pretty gorgeous. You know, I believe in picking one flower and just doing a lot of them. So look how gorgeous that is. Isn't that fabulous? And the other thing I always get at a flower shop is some kind of green leaves.
Willie Geist
So that will be part of the.
Ina Garten
Plate, it's gonna be part of the platter. It just makes everything pop a little better.
Willie Geist
Do you think of that color?
Ina Garten
Yeah. Here we go. Let's go shopping for dessert. So what I'm going to do is a big platter and I'll show you how to make it look gorgeous.
Willie Geist
You know, none of my other interview subjects have ever brought a dessert platter. This is why I love Ina.
Ina Garten
Oh, I'm so glad. And then we can eat it.
Willie Geist
Let's go.
Ina Garten
You're looking for color, texture, shape, and flavor. So you want some things that are round, some things that are natural, like fruit. These are beautiful. Look how gorgeous these are. Big, beautiful strawberries.
Willie Geist
Is it me or have strawberries and blueberries gotten bigger since I was a child?
Ina Garten
I think it's gotten bigger. I mean, not necessarily better, but definitely bigger. Okay, let's go to the bakery. Eli has the best cookies. And nobody will know you never turned the oven on.
Willie Geist
We have landed in heaven.
Ina Garten
Heaven. Right?
Willie Geist
Well, these look good.
Ina Garten
Yeah, these look great. I love these little lemon loaves. Maybe instead of lemon bars we'll have lemon loaves. Right. And then we'll just slice this and let's see, where else. Oh, you know what I love? I love these raspberry bars. They're fabulous. Oh, I know. We have to have brownies. Do we like marshmallows?
Willie Geist
I like a marshmallow.
Ina Garten
You like a marshmallow.
Willie Geist
Oh, my gosh.
Ina Garten
Chocolate dipped macaroons.
Willie Geist
I love it.
Ina Garten
And raspberry jam thumbprints. How's that? Do we have enough?
Willie Geist
I mean. Yeah, I think we do too. Boy, it's hard to resist some of this stuff.
Ina Garten
I know.
Willie Geist
I think we are well stocked for dessert.
Ina Garten
I think we're in good shape. But we have one last stop. Champagne. Because it's a celebration. Right? So this is my friend Eli's wine shop, and he picks out every bottle. Personally, I mean, they're really extraordinary wines. So if I was going to get champagne anywhere, this would be the place.
Willie Geist
We've come to the right place. And there's Eli, the legend himself.
Ina Garten
Pleasure to meet you.
Willie Geist
Hi, Eli. So great to meet you.
Ina Garten
I'm honored.
Willie Geist
Thank you, sweetie.
Ina Garten
So we want to make kiroyale good. And I know you know champagne, right? This coquiet is a grand cru, highest level of champagne. Yeah. Good.
Willie Geist
And why we chose it because it.
Ina Garten
Has a certain amount of acidity to.
Willie Geist
Cut through the sweetness.
Ina Garten
Because you're adding the cassis. The cassis, which is a sweet dessert wine. Exactly.
Willie Geist
And cassis, you know, it's black currants.
Ina Garten
Fabulous.
Willie Geist
So for people who don't know kir royale, it's just these two ingredients.
Ina Garten
It's just these two. You put a little cassis in the bottom of the glass and then you pour in cold champagne and usually a.
Willie Geist
Flute glass of some kind.
Ina Garten
A flute, Whichever. And you know what, if you want to drink it out of a tumbler, knock yourself out. It'll still be delicious.
Willie Geist
Whatever makes you happy. So I think we've made our choices. Okay, great. Yep.
Ina Garten
You take. I'll take this.
Willie Geist
Thank you.
Ina Garten
On our way.
Willie Geist
Well, Ina, I think we've got everything we need.
Ina Garten
Did we clean the place out?
Willie Geist
I think we did. Let's go make dessert.
Ina Garten
Okay, good. Everybody have keer oil. Excellent.
Willie Geist
Did you get the kir royale? We should have a cure oil.
Ina Garten
I think it's in tumblers.
Willie Geist
That is. Yeah. Wait, I've got.
Ina Garten
I think we need some.
Willie Geist
Let's make a little kiroyle of our own.
Ina Garten
Perfect. Okay, wonderful.
Willie Geist
Not tumblers, but we'll do our best.
Ina Garten
I like a recipe. That's two ingredients. That's it. And one of them champagne.
Willie Geist
Now which go, remind me, which goes in first.
Ina Garten
The cassis. The cassis.
Willie Geist
Okay, you're gonna have to walk me through the.
Ina Garten
Just a portion size.
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Ina Garten
Perfect.
Willie Geist
Okay.
Ina Garten
Yeah, perfect. I love these old fashioned champagne glasses. That's great.
Willie Geist
Isn't that nice? Guys, I don't like to brag, but I was the co valedictorian of the 1993 Metropolitan Bartending School.
Ina Garten
He was. It's true.
Willie Geist
I was a senior in high school looking for something to do with my free time. So I went to bartending school, which I think was illegal. I was 17. All right, heads up now.
Ina Garten
And Willie knows the way to do it is you turn the bottle, not the cork. Right, right, right. That's the key. Thank you.
Willie Geist
And then just top that off.
Ina Garten
Oh, yeah, just top it off. Just keep going.
Willie Geist
Still got it. Wow.
Ina Garten
Perfect.
Willie Geist
Look at this. Boy, that's a beauty.
Ina Garten
How gorgeous is that?
Willie Geist
Cheers, everyone. Cheers.
Ina Garten
Cheers, everyone. Cheers.
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Willie Geist
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Ina Garten
Cheers. Justina.
Willie Geist
Okay, so here are all the things we bought at Eli's the other day. By the way, how great to see Eli, your old friend.
Ina Garten
I know. Isn't he wonderful?
Willie Geist
He's amazing.
Ina Garten
He's fabulous.
Willie Geist
So what do we have here? Let's walk through it.
Ina Garten
You know, if you have so much to make for a dinner party, I always like to try and think of something that you can make for dessert that's just assembled. And I was in the south of France at a restaurant and there's this. They walked in with like a six foot board filled with strawberries and little tarts and chocolates and all kinds of dessert things and just put it down in the middle of the table. And I thought, why would you ever want to cook if you could do that? I mean, it was so gorgeous and so appealing. So that's what we're going to do. We're going to make a dessert platter. Not a six foot one, but just a little one. And green leaves are really important because they really make everything look so much better. So I'm just going to.
Willie Geist
So you get like a little bed of leaves?
Ina Garten
Yeah, just a couple of leaves so that you can put things on top of it. Okay. So we want something in the middle to give it focus. So I'm. These gorgeous strawberries.
Willie Geist
Look at the size of these things.
Ina Garten
Absolutely gorgeous. And some grapes, because green is a really important color.
Willie Geist
Have you guys noticed that about strawberries and blueberries getting bigger? There's some like mutant thing happening on fries.
Ina Garten
It's crazy. It's just crazy, you know, Grapes too. The first time I did a cheese platter, when I was at the store, I had a chef and I thought, well, a cheese platter. Somebody asked me for a cheese platter and I thought, well, I can do it myself. It doesn't require cooking. So I got a platter and I did the whole thing. And the chef came over to me and said, okay, so this is what you want to do. You want to take everything off that platter. I said, okay. And she said, you want to put a big bunch of grapes in the middle of the platter and then you put the cheese around and some strawberries and some apricots and then stop. And she was right. I mean, it's really about keeping the focus of like, groupings of colors and flavors and things like that, but make them interesting. So what I always do is I take these squares. Do you want to help me with this?
Willie Geist
Yeah, of course.
Ina Garten
And I cut them in half in fingers and then take These little muffin cups. White muffin cups. Just white ones, not fancy ones.
Willie Geist
Rectangle shape.
Ina Garten
Yeah, I like kind of like the finger of. So these are the raspberry crumble bars. Just do two of these.
Willie Geist
Okay, let me get this.
Ina Garten
Yeah, you want to. And then you want to cut more for me. Brownie and brownies. Yeah, more of these guys. You want to put a large group of each one. You don't want, like. You don't want it to look like a bowl of M&M's, like, a grouping of each one.
Willie Geist
Okay.
Ina Garten
And then. So if you have things that are rectangular, you want things that are round next to it. That's perfect, actually. We can even just put it on. How's that? We don't even need the paper cuts. We'll just put it on like that.
Willie Geist
That's nice.
Ina Garten
Really? And brownies.
Willie Geist
Don't worry. We'll pass this around in a minute.
Ina Garten
And actually, I'm not gonna put the brownies next to the crumble bars because they're the same shape.
Willie Geist
Too much rectangle.
Ina Garten
How about if we do too much rectangle?
Willie Geist
Is that correct?
Ina Garten
You got the message?
Willie Geist
Yeah.
Ina Garten
So if we do round cookies. These are raspberry. These are great. Jam thumb prints. You have to make sure they're good. It's very important. Extremely important. They're good.
Willie Geist
Yeah.
Ina Garten
And then something rectangular, like a lemon cake. I'm just gonna put this on and then slice it.
Willie Geist
Come on. Oohs and ahs. Mmm. Wow.
Ina Garten
So it's about texture and flavor and. And kind of like, make it really. To make it really interesting. And everything is accessible. So if you put this in the middle of a table, everybody would just go, oh, that looks so fabulous.
Willie Geist
Do you want one of these, or is it too much?
Ina Garten
Should we run out of room? I think it's too much right now. How about the macaroons?
Willie Geist
Okay.
Ina Garten
You want to make sure they're good?
Willie Geist
Yeah, I should.
Ina Garten
It's a public service, right? It's very important. Okay. So big groupings. You just want to. Big groupings of things everywhere. Coconut macaroons. Aren't they great? Yes.
Willie Geist
Delicious.
Ina Garten
And then what should we put in this corner? What do you think?
Willie Geist
All right, so we've got a little.
Ina Garten
Spoon, maybe more strawberries.
Willie Geist
We haven't done the brownies yet. Do we want to do that?
Ina Garten
Oh, yeah. We need brownies. Exactly. Okay, perfect. Got to have brownies and a couple more. Is it too much? Yeah, perfect.
Willie Geist
Look at this.
Ina Garten
Just kind of piled them up. I think we need one more brownie.
Willie Geist
How's that? Yeah.
Ina Garten
Yep. I mean, who wouldn't want that for dessert?
Willie Geist
Look at that.
Ina Garten
Right? And then one more thing. What do we have? Maybe the chocolate, the chocolate loaf.
Willie Geist
A rectangle of that one, too.
Ina Garten
Yeah. Perfect.
Willie Geist
Like a slice. Okay.
Ina Garten
Well done.
Willie Geist
Now where do you put that? Like, you just put this out after dinner.
Ina Garten
You just put it right in the middle of the table and let everybody help themselves.
Willie Geist
Okay.
Ina Garten
I mean, like, who wouldn't want that, guys?
Willie Geist
I love that.
Ina Garten
And, you know, there was no cooking at all.
Willie Geist
How's that? That's gorgeous.
Ina Garten
Isn't that pretty? Very pretty. Let me put a little strawberries around.
Willie Geist
Look at that.
Ina Garten
And dessert is served.
Willie Geist
Well, what was fun when we were shopping at Eli's was Ina already had the vision. She's going to need those to cut into the rectangular shapes. We need round of these. We need these fruits and these colors, like you already kind of saw it when we were walking.
Ina Garten
I think you have to have a plan. And you don't want all things that rectangular or all things that are round. And you want a variety of flavors and things that are delicious. Always chocolate. Something chocolate.
Willie Geist
How about it, guys?
Ina Garten
Cheers.
Willie Geist
Okay, stick around for more of my conversation with Ina Garten right after a quick break.
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Now to the rest of my conversation with Ina Garten. Now, before we let you go, Ina, we're gonna do some audience questions you guys have submitted. Uh oh, we'll get through as many as we can in the next few minutes. Okay. Where's Faye Evans of Philadelphia? Faye, are you here somewhere? Hi, Faye. Okay, I love this question. Ina, do you ever have one of those nights where you just want to order takeout? If so, what is your go to takeout?
Ina Garten
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, every day? No, what's my go to? I like really simple takeout things like a souvlaki from the Greek restaurant or. Right. I love Greek food. Just simple, wonderful. There's a restaurant near us called 1770 house that has great meatloaf. So on a cold winter night, it's wonderful. Yeah.
Willie Geist
Do you ever do like a fast food drive through on a rubber catch in there?
Ina Garten
Not so much, no. Do you?
Willie Geist
Not getting a super size number one?
Ina Garten
No. I don't even know what that is.
Willie Geist
Highly recommend. It's the Big Mac meal. If you supersize it, the fries are big and the drink, it's fantastic. I mean it's not this, but it's close.
Ina Garten
I have been known to go to In n Out burger when I'm in California.
Willie Geist
There you go. In and out burger. In and out burger. Okay, how about Nicole from Katona, New York? Where's Nicole? She's here somewhere or she submitted a question. Anyway, this is for Ina. I am a self over here. Oh, great. Hi, Nicole. I'm a self taught cook. I've always struggled with the timing for a meal with multiple dishes. What's the secret to getting all the dishes to the table at the same time? I grill and I struggle with that too.
Ina Garten
It's the hardest thing and what I do is I make literally a battle plan. I figure out if I have four things I have to make and I want to serve everything at 7:30, I work my way backwards and literally right, turn on the oven to 400 degrees when I have to turn the oven on and then put in the meat for 25 minutes, take it out, put the string beans in. I mean literally have the whole thing organized. Otherwise I'm always going, oh my God, do I have to put the string beans in now? Right. It's really hard.
Willie Geist
At what point do you start to enjoy a dinner party? Because it is.
Ina Garten
When it's over.
Willie Geist
When it's over. Because it is. It's stressful. All day is stressful.
Ina Garten
From the time that I lived in Washington, when I was like in 24, I would, every single Saturday I would give a dinner party and every single Sunday I'd go, oh, I'm so tired. I'm never giving another dinner party again. And then on Monday, I'd start inviting people for the next weekend.
Willie Geist
There you go.
Ina Garten
Go figure.
Willie Geist
Can't help yourself. Thank you, Nicole. Okay, this is from Susan. Amarillo, Texas. Thank you, Susan.
Ina Garten
Oh.
Willie Geist
Oh, this is a good one. Do you play music while you cook?
Ina Garten
Always.
Willie Geist
And if so, what do you play? Always?
Ina Garten
I actually have playlists that I have on Spotify and Apple, like. Oh, you do? Oh, good. That's wonderful. I have like a French playlist and dinner party playlist and road trip playlist. And so, yeah, I always love to listen to music.
Willie Geist
Any favorite artist that pop is it like Edith Peele, Taylor Swift.
Ina Garten
I'm really a teenage at heart.
Willie Geist
She's working that booking hard tonight. Taylor Swift. Get that out to the press. Okay, we mentioned our lunch in Paris. How often do you get to Paris and what is your favorite restaurant there?
Ina Garten
Ooh, you know, Jeffrey and I go to Paris certainly twice a year, but usually like three or four times a year. And you know, the thing I love about Paris is not the fancy restaurants, it's the brasseries and the really simple places. And one of the things we love to do if we, like, go to Belgium for the day and then come back late at night and go to Flor and have an omelette and a glass of champagne, I mean, it's the best omelette in the world. And it's just the simplest meal. And that's kind of what I'd like to do.
Willie Geist
Simple and delicious.
Ina Garten
Simple.
Willie Geist
The Ina Garten way. Okay, here's one for both of us. This is hard. Who are the three people, living or dead, you would like to have dinner with? Todd from Huntsville writes this question. Yeah, Todd. And Todd points out Ina is always on our list of three.
Ina Garten
Thank you, Todd.
Willie Geist
So you're kind of having that too.
Ina Garten
How about Julia Childs? Eric Ripert from La Bernardin's, who's the other food person? That would be really fun. And Jacques Pepin, who's so much better. Wow. Wouldn't that dinner party be fabulous? Yes, that'd be great.
Willie Geist
Talk about stress making that dinner.
Ina Garten
Oh, God. I actually had Eric Riperto as a guest. And afterwards I remember thinking, oh my God, I have to cook something for him. I was in a full panic. And then I thought, I remember that when he was a little boy, his mother used to make literally get up at 5 o' clock in the morning and make a two course breakfast, a three course lunch and a three course dinner for them. And she would make. And she worked. She worked. She was in the fashion business. And she would make him a tarte tatin every day. So when he came home from school and she was away at work, he would eat the entire tarte tatin. So I made him a French apple tart when he came. And he was just adorable. Yeah, it was really nice.
Willie Geist
This is impossible. You can go historical figure. I went Dolly Parton, our greatest living American.
Ina Garten
Oh, yeah, that's good.
Willie Geist
You want some energy and comedy. At the party I went Marty Short, I thought would be a.
Ina Garten
Can you imagine Marty Short at a dinner party?
Willie Geist
And then if we're doing living or dead, I went a little family. My great grandfather, Herbie Lewis, my mom's grandfather, played in the NHL for the Detroit Red Wings. Really huge, huge figure in our family. And I would love to now sit and talk and get to know him a little bit.
Ina Garten
That sounds like a good party.
Willie Geist
Sounds like a good party. Marty Short's running that party though, let's be honest. Okay, time for a couple more. For those of us that do not cook, this is from Mike in Haddonfield, New Jersey. How do you recommend we start? Where do you begin? If you're not good in the kitchen but you kind of want to get.
Ina Garten
There, I would say get a really simple cookbook and learn to make two things. You don't have to make a million things. Make a roast chicken and some kind of pasta, like a pasta bolognese, if you just follow the recipe and you don't have to nail it on the first try. Just keep making it over and over and over again until you feel comfortable with it and then you've got two great dinners. You don't have to make a million things.
Willie Geist
Good advice, right? Good advice.
Ina Garten
Yeah.
Willie Geist
Okay, before we say goodnight to you guys, we want to do a mug shot with everybody.
Ina Garten
Literally a mug shot.
Willie Geist
So Mark is our photographer. He's going to be out here and Ina and I will stand here. You guys will be in the background. He's got a wide angle lens and we're gonna take the mug shot and get everybody on the show when this interview airs next Sunday, June 1st with Ina. So we'll get in position. Okay, if you have a mug, lift it up. Ready? Cheers. Cheers. Thank you.
Ina Garten
Thank you guys. One more time for Ina Berman.
Willie Geist
My big thanks again to Ina for that convers and of course to City Winery for hosting and sponsoring our Sunday Sit down live event. Stay tuned for the next one. Ina's best selling memoir, Be Ready when the Luck Happens is available wherever you get your books. My thanks again to all of you for listening this week. If you want to hear more of my conversations with our guests every week, be sure to click follow so you never miss an episode. And don't forget to tune in to Sunday Today every weekend on NBC. I'm Willie Geist. We'll see you right back here next week on the Sunday Sit Down Podcast.
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Date: December 21, 2025
Guest: Ina Garten
In this lively continuation of a live-audience conversation at New York City's City Winery, Willie Geist and beloved cookbook author Ina Garten dive into the art of effortless hosting. Part two shifts focus to the joy of desserts made simple, creating a showstopping platter with store-bought sweets and fruits, tips for mixing a proper Kir Royale, and candid audience Q&A covering Ina's culinary philosophies, dinner party secrets, and more. The episode is filled with practical advice, laughter, and the signature warmth both host and guest are known for.
Ina’s Approach:
Building the Platter:
Selecting Bubbly and Mixing a Kir Royale:
Dessert Platter Assembly Tips:
On Kir Royale glassware:
“If you want to drink it out of a tumbler, knock yourself out. It'll still be delicious.”
– Ina Garten (04:55)
On assembling dessert:
“Nobody will know you never turned the oven on.”
– Ina Garten (03:15)
On hosting and stress:
“When do I start to enjoy a dinner party? When it’s over.”
– Ina Garten (15:41)
On starting to cook:
“Learn to make two things… then you've got two great dinners.”
– Ina Garten (19:29)
The episode is friendly, witty, and conversational, interspersed with audience laughter and candid banter. Ina's advice is approachable, never prescriptive, and often humorous. Willie guides the conversation with warmth and a bit of self-deprecation, making the listener feel like a guest at their table.