Ken Jeong on Reinventing Himself and Trusting His Instincts (January 2026)

Summary

Sunday Sitdown with Willie Geist – Ken Jeong on Reinventing Himself and Trusting His Instincts
Episode Date: July 26, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively and heartfelt Sunday Sitdown, Willie Geist sits down with actor, comedian, and former physician Ken Jeong at Brooklyn’s Red Pavilion. The episode traces Ken’s improbable journey from a pre-med student and practicing doctor to one of Hollywood’s most recognizable comic voices. The conversation covers his immigrant upbringing, the professional risks he took, embracing improvisation, parental and spousal influence, and his ongoing role as an ensemble cast member—both literally and spiritually—in projects spanning The Hangover, Community, The Masked Singer, and K Pop Demon Hunters. The episode resonates with themes of gratitude, humility, fearless reinvention, and finding fulfillment by simply having fun.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Duke Basketball, Humor, and Early Life

• Fun Icebreaker – Willie immediately jokes about Duke’s crushing 30-point NCAA loss in 1990, Ken’s senior year. Ken leans into the bit, faux-mourning and riffing on the pain:
  • “He brought up the finals. And you said he would not bring up the finals.” (04:14, Ken Jeong)
  • Sparks a playful, self-effacing tone that runs throughout the conversation.
• Comedy Roots – Ken credits his father, an economics professor at N.C. A&T, as the comedic spark in his childhood. Despite being driven academically (he graduated high school at 16 and became Greensboro Youth of the Year), it was a college acting class at Duke that awakened his true passion.
  • “He was working the room like a comic. And he was just so engaging and so funny. And I get my comedy from my dad, clearly.” (23:28, Ken Jeong)
• Parental Perspective – Ken’s immigrant parents navigated ambition and caution, worried show business wasn’t a meritocracy. Ken reflects that it was his own doubts and longing for stability, not only his ethnicity, that held him back.

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2. From Doctor to Comedian: The Leap of Faith

• Dual Paths – Ken discusses how he practiced medicine for seven years in L.A., moonlighting at comedy clubs, and how his medical mentors encouraged him to blend both worlds.
  • “You will be a better doctor because of the bedside manner that you've attained from your comedy… you could be a better comedian because of your medical background.” (26:50, Ken Jeong’s residency director)
• Turning Point – Auditioning for Knocked Up
  • Judd Apatow sought a real doctor for the role; Ken’s authenticity landed him the part. He continued working as a physician even through filming.
  • The final decision to leap into comedy full-time was co-signed by his wife and, crucially, his father.
  • “If you have her blessing, you have my blessing… so I was able to go into show business full time, guilt free.” (32:56, Ken Jeong)

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3. The Masked Singer: Embracing Fun and Imperfection

• Initial Reluctance & Family Counsel – Ken’s mother, a fan of the original Korean version, urged him to join the U.S. adaptation as a panelist:
  • “My mom was… She had followed the Masked Singer for years, and she said, you have to take the job. It'll be a game changer.” (07:36, Ken Jeong)
• 14 Seasons of 'Being the Dumbest Guy on TV'
  • Ken finds joy and freedom in admitting he has “nothing to do with the music business,” calling himself the “dumbest person on that show.”
  • “People see kind of how I really am in terms of just having fun, and I. I may take my job seriously, but I never take myself seriously. And I think this show kind of shows that.” (06:25, Ken Jeong)
• The Power of Family Entertainment & Not Taking Yourself Too Seriously
  • The show's longevity is chalked up to its wholesome, family-friendly absurdity: “It’s Sesame Street with a 90s background track.” (10:58)
  • Personal growth lesson: “It’s a good reminder in life. You don’t have to be perfect to be content, fulfilled, successful.” (12:10, Ken Jeong)

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4. Improvisation and Memorable Moments on The Masked Singer

• Ken describes the panel guessing process as “an improv game.” When clueless, he improvises stories, as in the infamous Tina Turner-Costco riff:
  • “I said, and this is back when she was alive. And I said, ‘No, we’re really good friends… we’re at a wine and cheese party together.’ And Nick was calling me out: ‘Why would Tina Turner be your plus one at a Costco in Sherman Oaks?’” (14:03, Ken Jeong)
• The embarrassment of failing to recognize friend and hero Margaret Cho in season one still haunts him:
  • “She’s one of the reasons why I got into comedy… Every time I see her now, it’s just that little bit of awkwardness. Like, I’ve let Mother down.” (16:08, Ken Jeong)

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5. K Pop Demon Hunters, Cultural Impact, and Ensemble Gratitude

• Ken is awestruck by the global phenomenon of K Pop Demon Hunters and its chart-topping soundtrack.
  • “Once I was there at the premiere and just heard the music… this is a cultural masterpiece. ...I’m so beyond blessed to be a part of all kind of zeitgeisty projects.” (18:35, Ken Jeong)
• Deep pride in seeing colleagues flourish: “It’s just as fulfilling in many ways as it is just to be a part of it. It really is.” (20:50, Ken Jeong)

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6. The Hangover: Stardom and Risk

• The film changed his life “from black and white to Technicolor”; his international fame was instant and surreal.
  • “It gave me a career. ...Looking back, it was so intense. Overnight success, you know... it changed my life.” (36:14, Ken Jeong)
• Ken wrote the iconic naked trunk jump himself, reasoning: “How can you top Mike Tyson and a tiger?” (39:32)
  • He did it partly to give his wife, then battling breast cancer and now cancer-free, a laugh during a difficult time.
  • “My wife was going through....cancer, and she said, ‘This will be the feel good movie of the summer because every guy will go home feeling good about themselves.’” (40:35, Ken Jeong)

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7. Community and Collaboration

• Community is his children’s favorite, and he credits Dan Harmon’s writing as poetic and challenging.
  • “If Hangover made me famous, Community made me a better actor.” (51:12, Ken Jeong)
• He contrasts the loose improvisation of The Hangover with the tight, stylized scripting of Harmon’s show—describing it like basketball playbooks: improv vs. “running the offense.”
• Enduring friendship (and comedic rivalry) with Joel McHale is a running gag, culminating in their continued collaboration on Fox’s Animal Control.

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8. Stand-Up: The Hardest Thing He’s Ever Done

• Ken recounts his first open mic during med school, nervously bringing 18 friends and still bombing:
  • “Stand up is still the most difficult thing I have ever attempted to do in the arts. Cause you’re by yourself… it’s terrifying.” (58:15, Ken Jeong)
• The challenge and democracy of standup, and even as a headliner, a tough crowd like Philly “will let you know.”
  • “In many ways, there’s nothing more democratic… you have to earn it, no matter who you are.” (60:08, Ken Jeong, on stand-up)

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9. Philosophy and Life Lessons

• “Just because you get a part in a movie, you know, it doesn’t mean… my dad taught me that. If you’re going to go into acting...do it because you love it.” (33:30, Ken Jeong)
• “Sometimes I’m so intense… The Masked Singer reminds me, it’s like it doesn’t have to be perfect.” (12:10)
• “Take your job seriously, but not yourself seriously.” — a motif Ken revisits throughout, summarizing both his humility and comedic joy.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Getting Parental Support:
  “If you have her blessing, you have my blessing. And then so I was able to go into show business full time, guilt free.” (32:56, Ken Jeong)
• On The Masked Singer:
  “I may take my job seriously, but I never take myself seriously.” (06:25, Ken Jeong)
• On Cultural Success:
  “This is a cultural masterpiece. ...I’m so beyond blessed to be a part of all kind of zeitgeisty projects.” (18:35, Ken Jeong)
• On Stand-Up:
  “Stand up is still the most difficult thing I have ever attempted to do in the arts. Cause you’re by yourself. ...it’s terrifying.” (58:15, Ken Jeong)
• On Gratitude and Perspective:
  “If that’s what I’m known for for the rest of my life, it’s just. What a great thing to be known for.” (48:56, Ken Jeong, on “Toodaloo”)
• On Ensemble Spirit:
  “I think when I’m at my best is where I’m part of an ensemble… it’s terrifying [to do stand-up]; I’ve made my success being part of groups.” (58:18, Ken Jeong)
• On Taking Risks and Living Fully:
  “You just gotta… whatever your instinct is, you just gotta go for it. ...Take that shot. Don’t be afraid and be fearless.” (45:00, Ken Jeong discussing his choices during Hangover/Tran’s illness.)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Ken’s passion for Duke basketball, family, and early comedy: 03:40 – 07:20
• Origin story of The Masked Singer gig: 07:24 – 09:50
• Masked Singer improvisation & comedy: Tina Turner story: 13:35 – 15:30
• The Hangover & career risk: 32:54 – 39:30
• K Pop Demon Hunters / cultural milestones: 16:51 – 20:50
• Community, collaborating with Joel McHale, Animal Control: 49:39 – 56:57
• First stand-up experiences and the daunting truth of comedy: 57:45 – 60:38

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Tone and Style

Warm, self-deprecating, high-energy, and grateful; Ken and Willie bounce with genuine laughter, affectionate teasing, and reflective candor about artistic risk, family, and trusting your instincts.

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Summary

This Sunday Sitdown delivers a comprehensive journey through Ken Jeong’s improbable career switch, drawing gracefully from personal and professional highs and lows. The conversation blends comedy, mentorship, family, and the immigrant experience, all infused with Ken’s signature humility and comic insight. Whether you’re interested in showbiz, Asian-American representation, or simply need a reminder to chase fun and fulfillment, this episode is an energetic, inspiring listen—full of lessons on taking risks, embracing imperfection, and staying grateful for every ensemble you’re lucky enough to join.

Transcript

[Ken Jeong]

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[Willie Geist]

Hey guys, Willie Geist here with another

[Podcast Host]

episode of the Sunday Sit down podcast. My thanks as always for clicking and listening along. I've got a great one for you this week, I don't mind saying, with the hilarious Ken Jeong, he's got one of the most unusual, improbable, extraordinary stories in all of Hollywood. As you may know, Ken was a practicing doctor. He went to Duke University, he went to University of North Carolina Medical school, did his residency in New Orleans, moved to Los Angeles where he worked as a doctor for seven years before going to an audition for for a movie called Knocked Up. Judd Apatow, the director of that 2007 movie, wanted an actual doctor who happened to also be funny to play the part that Ken Jong got that kind of introduced him into the world of real show business. He'd been dabbling in it. He'd been interested in it. He'd been doing standup comedy on the side while he was a doctor. But that role in Knocked up launched him. A couple of years later, he shows up in the Hangover as Leslie Chow. And who could forget that role? Unforgettable. We talk a lot about that. We talk about his building through community, that great TV show on NBC. Also getting his own sitcom, Dr. Ken. He's done so much, including the Masked Singer. A new season now 14 seasons in for Ken Jeong and that show since it premiered in 2019, as a panelist there. And and also how about this? He was in K Pop Demon Hunters, the Netflix cultural phenomenon, the animated show, the animated movie where he plays Bobby, the K Pop band's manager. I just have to say, a great guy to begin with. I think the fact that he didn't really launch his Hollywood career Till he was 40, he's 56 now, has a lot to do with his humility and his gratitude and his I Can't believe I get to do this with all of my friends kind of thing. So naturally funny. Of course, you know that. You've seen. Seen it. He went to Duke. As I mentioned, he is a crazy Duke fan in basketball. A crazy college basketball fan. So as we start this interview at a really cool venue in Brooklyn called the Red Pavilion to talk about everything he's done and his story, I decided to get my teary Barbara Walters crying moment right out of the gate by bringing up the 1990 NCAA National Championship game in which the Duke Blue Devils were beaten by UNLV by 30 points. It was Ken's senior year in college and remains quite painful for Ken. So now sit back, relax, and enjoy my conversation right now with Ken Jeong on the Sunday Sit down podcast.

[Willie Geist]

Ken, it's great to see you, man. Thanks for doing this.

[Ken Jeong]

Thank you for having me. It's an honor.

[Willie Geist]

So the obvious first topic is the 1990 NCAA championship game. Duke comes in underdog against one of the great teams in NCAA history, the Running Rebels, Larry Johnson, Stacy Ogman, those guys. Bobby Hurley has a stomach flu, as I remember.

[Ken Jeong]

Oh, no. This interview's over. We can talk about anything else except the 1990. I'll see you guys. Carrie. Mommy. Mother. Mother.

[Podcast Host]

We got our cry.

[Willie Geist]

We got our cry. Now we can move on.

[Ken Jeong]

He brought up. He brought up the finals. He brought up the finals. And you said he would not bring up the finals.

[Willie Geist]

Just screaming at Kelly.

[Ken Jeong]

It was a 30 point loss. And this is all off the record, please, because we won't use any of this footage. Just please say I was mad and I didn't cry.

[Willie Geist]

This is the real Ken Jeong. This is what we bring.

[Podcast Host]

It's.

[Ken Jeong]

And scene.

[Willie Geist]

See? Well, I took, I guess, SOB right

[Podcast Host]

out of the gate.

[Willie Geist]

You can use it later for an unrelated topic.

[Ken Jeong]

Yes, yes, yes. This is how I conduct myself every morning. With a cry and a glass of water and two cameras.

[Willie Geist]

No. So for people just joining us, which makes sense, we've been talking about college basketball for about 30 minutes. You went to Duke.

[Ken Jeong]

Yes.

[Willie Geist]

You like, you got there right on the. Right on the precipice of when it all blew up.

[Ken Jeong]

I prepped them.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ken Jeong]

I nurture them. I cultivated them.

[Willie Geist]

Yes.

[Ken Jeong]

Coach K will not give me credit. And that's fine.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah.

[Ken Jeong]

That's how real heroes conduct themselves in anonymity. And no one will ever know.

[Willie Geist]

That's right.

[Ken Jeong]

Yeah.

[Willie Geist]

Blend into the public.

[Ken Jeong]

Blend into the public. As if I never had anything to do with their success.

[Willie Geist]

More on Duke later. Big, big Part of your story. We don't have to talk about the hoops, although I know we both like to. Oh, yes, maybe rather. But let's jump right into the masked singer season 14, which I couldn't believe.

[Ken Jeong]

Crazy.

[Willie Geist]

When you hear 14 years of a show, how does that sound to you?

[Ken Jeong]

It just. It is the gift that keeps on giving it to me. Fourteen, I mean, that's longer than I have been. Than I was a doctor. You know, it's. It's like longer than I've done any other job in history. And it actually breaks all the rules of kind of why I quit my medical job to do acting and to do, you know, spending six years on Community, having two seasons of my own sitcom. And, you know, it's all about precision, about doing things as best as you can. Even on the Hangover movies, just trying to do things as best as you can. And whereas a masked singer. I'm not a recording artist. I'm not a singer. I'm not. I have nothing to do with the music business. And it is from a guy considered to be one of the smartest people in the business. Because of my medical background, it is so fitting that I am the dumbest person on that show, has no reason being on that show, and I get paid to have a good time. People see kind of how I really am in terms of just having fun, and I. I may take my job seriously, but I never take myself seriously. And I think this show kind of shows that, and it is so much fun. I basically just get paid to watch amazing singers. It's the ultimate music appreciation class.

[Willie Geist]

It is.

[Ken Jeong]

That's the way I compartmentalize it.

[Willie Geist]

Given everything you just said about not knowing a lot about music, maybe this wasn't like the format you'd seen yourself in.

[Ken Jeong]

Never.

[Willie Geist]

What did you think when this first came to? You want you to be a panelist on a show about people singing in costume?

[Ken Jeong]

Oh, yeah. I was. I was. It was my mom who actually convinced me to do the show because the Masked singer actually originated in Korea. I'm of Korean descent, and when I was offered to be a panelist, I was kind of reluctant about it. And my mom was. Even though she lives in the state, she watches Korean television on satellite. And she was like. She had followed the Masked Singer for years, and she said, you have to take the job. It'll be a game changer. And she would send me clips on YouTube. And I was like, oh, okay, I get that. I think I can. I can do that. And it was honestly because of my mom that that was the tipping point of like, okay, I'll do this. And little did we know. I thought maybe it'd be a one off. You do it for a few seasons, have fun. But yeah, now here I am talking to you, you know, finishing up my 14th season. It's kind of crazy. It's funny when you say it out loud. I can't. Sometimes when you're in the moment, you don't think. I don't think of my career in life like that. But yeah, it's just. That's just crazy. It's so surreal and it's wonderful and we, we still have a lot to go. I think this season was the most fun because we, we really got to now, now they're. I'm doing some cold opens where they will leverage my lack of music ability and sing. So I did an opening number where I'm singing the theme song from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and just doing, having. And like last season I did a Shrek tribute where I dressed up as Lord Farquaad and sang that Smash Mouth song.

[Willie Geist]

So.

[Ken Jeong]

And that went viral. So it's kind of funny how it's evolved where in many ways it's just. It's like a variety show disguised as a game show. So I actually think Masked Singer is our flagship variety show. There's a little bit of everything there. So. And it's been so much fun and I'm just having fun again. Just being, I'd say, the dumbest character on network TV right now.

[Willie Geist]

Well, you're very charming while you're dumb. I have to say that.

[Ken Jeong]

Yes, thank you. And that's on the record.

[Willie Geist]

Your mom has good instincts, by the way.

[Podcast Host]

She was right.

[Ken Jeong]

She gave me a second. She gave me a second chapter of my career. She really did.

[Willie Geist]

I assume she took the standard 10% for.

[Ken Jeong]

Oh, again, let's just not talk about that.

[Willie Geist]

Boy, I've done it again. Oh, no. Oh no. Oh no.

[Ken Jeong]

First of all, duke loses her 30 points and then my mom. Mom's gonna see this.

[Willie Geist]

This is our most explosive and emotional interview yet.

[Ken Jeong]

Look. Okay, now that we've ripped the lid open. Lack of composition for my mother. I don't see her complaining much. Where I gave her that 30 buck check this Christmas.

[Willie Geist]

She wasn't complaining then Gave her some back end. Some $30 back end.

[Ken Jeong]

$30 back end.

[Willie Geist]

Oh, you're sweet mother. He's joking.

[Ken Jeong]

I think.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah, we hope so. How do you can explain the phenomenon that the show has become? What is it? If you last 14 seasons by definition, you're successful and in this case a phenomenon. It goes viral, as you said, all the time. What is it about this show that people love so much?

[Ken Jeong]

I think it's family. I think it's just families watch it for an escape. I think that you have, I don't know. And it's with kind of, you know, obviously you have these amazing Emmy Award winning costume designers that. That's been really the trademark of the show. It's really the contestants that inhabit the show. And I think to me it's. It's just this wonderful. It's sesame street with the 90s background track. You know, at times, you know, it really is a lovely escape and it kind of dovetails in many ways with K Pop Demon Hunters, where I think that I don't know if I would be a part of that particular project if it wasn't for kind of my success on the Masked Singer. And it kind of, to me, it dovetails very well in terms of kind of just offering this musical escape. And I think that I see artistically the through line, but I don't think I would have certain opportunities that I'm enjoying right now if it wasn't for the Masked Singer. So, so very grateful. And I just have. I think people see us all having fun and I think that, I think that. I think that's the main. And it helps me as a performer when I'm doing my other projects of. Sometimes I'm so intense and I, you know, it's my kind of my medical Korean background where I just want to do everything the right way. And it's. The Masked Singer reminds me, it's like it doesn't have to be perfect, you know, my guess, like I never guess anyone right on the show, you know, And I, and I, and I enjoy. I have fun not being perfect. And I think to me it's a good reminder in life actually. Just you don't have to be perfect to be content, fulfilled, successful. To me it's like just to have feeling fulfilled in other ways is very important. Seeing the big picture and being happy with who you are, you know. And I know it's so. It has had some existential. It's very surreal to say, you know, it has had some existential, like, I don't know, learning points for me just being on the show, it's just to not. It's okay take your job seriously, but not to take yourself seriously.

[Willie Geist]

So you mentioned rarely getting it right. Yeah, I watch the show and I watch you, but also everyone else on the show. And I say, I have no clue who that is. And they give you a little clue sometimes, which helps steer you in the right direction. So when you're sitting there and you just hear a voice that you don't recognize, where do you begin the process of guessing?

[Ken Jeong]

That's where the comedy comes in.

[Podcast Host]

You know,

[Ken Jeong]

I will just do my best, enlightened idiot kind of point of view and say, I know exactly who that is. So if I say that, I have no idea. And I'm panicking deep down inside.

[Willie Geist]

Buying some time.

[Ken Jeong]

Yeah, buying some time. And I will. I've been known to confabulate. And I. So one of my. One of my favorite moments, I think the third season, I had no idea who this contestant was. And Nick Cannon kept grilling me. And, yeah, it was the mouse. And I kept saying it was Tina Turner. And I was putting all the clues together and. And I did kind of think Tina Turner. But everyone just started laughing and the audience started booing and I started doubling down more. This is definitely Tina Turner. And I was starting making. I was starting to make stuff up. And I was like, no, we're dear friends, you know, rest in peace. I'd never met her. And I said, and this is back when she was alive. And I said, no, we're really good friends. And we're at the clues of wine and cheese. We're at a wine and cheese party together. And Nick was calling me out like, how are you at a wine? I was like, yeah, I was her plus one. He goes, and where was it at? And I was like, costco. He goes, where? Yeah, the Costco in Sherman Oaks. It was a grand opening. Why would Tina Turner. Why would Tina Turner be your plus one out of Costco in Sherman Oaks? I was like, Cause she wasn't a member, Nick. So it just. I just remember, became this whole thing.

[Willie Geist]

She needed you to get in.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Willie Geist]

It's like an improv game.

[Ken Jeong]

It was an improv game. So that's exactly how I view Messinger. For me, these are all just. The clues are bullet points for some improv and to have fun.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah.

[Ken Jeong]

I think it's kind of my recipe, really.

[Willie Geist]

Not to bring it up, but I think your batting average is, like, not great. Right. It's like 20 something out of 200.

[Ken Jeong]

It's so bad.

[Willie Geist]

But in fairness, it's hard.

[Ken Jeong]

It is no idea who's under the mask. It is a hard idea. Yeah.

[Willie Geist]

I never know.

[Ken Jeong]

And one of my most embarrassing. It really sucks when they're legit friends. Of yours. The first season we had, it was. Margaret Cho was on the show, and all the clues were designed for me to know. And even I believe in character. She said, you know, and this clue's for you, Ken. And I'm like. And so I'm trying to play it off, and I just was paralyzed with thought. I had no idea who it was. And when it was Margaret Cho, when she revealed, I mean, there was a real moment. She was like, I just. I'm disappointed.

[Willie Geist]

Thought we were friends.

[Ken Jeong]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so every time I see her, there's still that, because she is an icon. She is one of my role models. She's one of the reasons why I got into comedy. She was just one of my comedy heroes. She's a pioneer in Asian American comedy. But every time I see her now, it's just that little bit of awkwardness. Just that dis. Like, I've let Mother down.

[Willie Geist]

I mean, I think you're forgiven. She was under a cuff.

[Ken Jeong]

Yeah, she was under a cuff.

[Willie Geist]

This season, for people excited and getting ready to watch, there is a literal dovetailing that you mentioned of K Pop Demon Hunters. Without giving away too much, I think the Masked Singer. But that's a cool element. Right out of the gate in the first episode.

[Ken Jeong]

Yes. No, it's. It's. It's out there right now. They have. Yeah. We're able to sing golden and. And to be. To have that as part of kind of our lexicon. I don't know that. I think to me, that's the biggest moment we've ever had on the show. To have something and not because I was involved in it, I was a small part of it, but just to have. It's the perfect marriage for two properties with Masked singer, K Pop Demon Hunters. It makes sense. And then it was surreal for me to kind of be actually part of the group singing it now, where I had the fortune to be at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade last Thanksgiving, and introducing E.J. reami and Audrey Nuna. Like the real Hunt tricks and singing Golden. So there are so many moments of surrealism that I experienced that day. I got kind of emotional. I had dressed up in my bobby outfit, and I don't know, it was very. It was maybe my favorite day on the Masked Singer. Just kind of blending those two things together. It was really, really special and wonderful. And again, just. It's an embarrassment of riches.

[Willie Geist]

It's a cool colliding of your world. I mean, while we're talking about it, can you believe how huge K Pop Demon Hunters became. I mean, it feels like it just grew and grew and grew over this last year, and it's just an utter phenomenon. The singles from the soundtrack go to number one in the Billboard charts. All that was around that. When you were making it, did you feel like it was something special?

[Ken Jeong]

I had no idea. I mean, I'm just an actor in a recording booth, just there for a couple of days. I was not even privy to the music. I loved the script, I love the animatics. But once I was there at the premiere and just heard the music and it just all was like, this is. This is a cultural masterpiece. And again, just the way it organically became the biggest title ever on Netflix. You can't predict those moments, but. And again, just. And when I look at it personally, I've been so beyond blessed to be a part of all kind of zeitgeisty projects like. Like the Hangover and like Community. That was very special to me. And Crazy Rich Asians. You know, this is yet another project that I'm just privileged to be a small part of that I'm where you're happier for the cast and crew than you are for yourself. Because like Maggie and Chris, the filmmakers, the directors of this, I mean, they've worked for seven long years on this project. And EJ wrote not only golden, but several of the Sound of the songs on the soundtrack. And you. Once.

[Commercial Announcer]

You.

[Ken Jeong]

Once. I got to know everybody, you know, and their journey, it's so fulfilling. And I'm so. I really am like the manager, you know, just the loving manager that I. That is really art imitating life. Like, I love my girls, you know, I'm just so happy for them. And just to see all the critical success that they're having and the acclaim as well as the commercial success, it's almost like I take myself out of it and I'm just so happy for them. So every time I see them, it's just the biggest smile. And I don't know, the older I get in this business, I think it's wonderful to see people who you love and respect. Really. I don't know, it's just as fulfilling in many ways as it is just to be a part of it. It really is.

[Willie Geist]

And you have been a part of so many of those incredible ensembles that you just kind of rattled up, just like all star crews, movies and TV shows. And you're always a highlight, I have to say. A lot of people say that.

[Ken Jeong]

Thank you.

[Willie Geist]

The scene, Thriller himself.

[Ken Jeong]

Check the gate.

[Willie Geist]

That's it. We're good.

[Podcast Host]

Hey, guys, thanks for listening to the Sunday sit Down podcast. Stick around to hear more from Ken Jeong right after the break.

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Welcome back. Now more of my conversation with Ken Jeong.

[Willie Geist]

But you also happen to have, I think, one of the most extraordinary stories in all of show business, given that you were a legit medical doctor, a practicing doctor. There wasn't like, oh, I took a

[Ken Jeong]

class, a bio class in college.

[Willie Geist]

It was like you went from being a doctor. So I want to just go back a little bit to you growing up in Greensboro.

[Ken Jeong]

Yes.

[Willie Geist]

You had the idea of being a doctor. That was sort of a vision, probably in your family.

[Ken Jeong]

Yep.

[Willie Geist]

But it sounds like as driven as you were and maybe as your parents were. There was humor, there was comedy in the house.

[Ken Jeong]

Yes. It came from my dad. My dad, he was a professor of economics at North Carolina A and T State university in Greensboro, N.C. was like over 34 years. And so I actually, my dad, well, he made me audit one of his statistic classes when I was a kid. Just wanted me just like sit and enjoy the magic, I guess. And he, he was working the room like a comic. And he was just so engaging and so funny. And I get my comedy from my dad, clearly. And so, and I grew up loving Eddie Murphy, like Letterman. Those are just huge, towering world figures, you know, in my, in my worldview. So even as a kid, I was just, I just loved to laugh, but I was not. I was never like the class clown or anything like that. And I just, that really happened at college at Duke, where I took my first acting class. And I, Everyone was always like, yeah, you love comedy, you know, maybe you should try, you know, you always got that kind of thing. And. And then I took my first acting class, spring semester, sophomore year at Duke, and I was just hooked. This was like, oh, this is, this is my calling. And comedy acting. And we would do like freeze tag and improv acting. But I just, it just, it just one of those things that just was instant and you just felt like you were born to do, but it was hard. And I always joked that I was Korean into staying pre med. You know, it was the 80s and, you know, I could say that and it was true at that time, but that's not the case. It was me. I did not think that a person with my look could necessarily succeed. This is like 88, 89. And, you know, so. And also not just beyond ethnicity. I didn't know if I had. I just, I didn't know if I would have the maturity, the emotional maturity to handle this. And my dad did pose that question, was like, you know, it's not. I believe in your talent, you know, but this is not a show business, is not a meritocracy, you know, so it's not based on that. And can you handle that? And so I definitely had to come to Jesus talk with my dad. And I was like, you know, and I said, I don't think I could. I never even left North Carolina. I don't think I'd ever been to Los Angeles, you know, at that time. So I didn't know if I had the kind of, the maturity to, to succeed. And. But again, things happen in life. I got into med school and I, you know, everything went according to plan, but I just couldn't shake off the acting bug, the comedy bug. So I would do stand up comedy because I couldn't, I couldn't do theater anymore and I didn't have the bandwidth to do it. But I found doing stand up comedy, I would just do it once every couple of months during med school and I would just go on open mics or occasionally I'd go on the road and be an opening act for somebody. And I just kind of kept it up, you know, and, and, and actually I, I would, I would Compartmentalize what I would do. And I was like, oh, this is my golf. This is my hobby. And so it's. I don't know if I'm going to do this for a living, but it makes me happy. So I just want to continue to do stuff that makes me happy. And. And it was in my residency, which I did in New Orleans at Ochsner Foundation Hospital. And that really gave me kind of the. The key to kind of blend both worlds, because my director of my residency, he became my mentor, and he's a very enlightened person. He was a prominent nephrologist, but also on the board of Jazz Fest. And he loved what I was doing. He was like. He goes, you know, you will be a better doctor because of the bedside manner that you've attained from your comedy, but you can also, if you choose to go this path, you could be a better comedian because of your medical background, and we would allow you to do that as well. And that blew my mind because I didn't think anyone would invest in me. Well, what if I decided to leave medicine? He was like, I'm cool with that. And not a lot of programs would support that mentality. But he did. Ironically, he kept me in medicine for much longer because he really gave me a balanced worldview of what life is all about. And it was because of him, actually, I stayed. There were times I wanted to quit, and there were times I wanted to do and just quit early. But it was because of him I stayed. And I practiced for seven years in LA at Kaiser Permanente. And I met my wife, who's also a physician and still practices part time. And so medicine's a big part of my worldview. And I think having the stamina to follow through with something as difficult as that has definitely given me stamina. Now here we are, like, 14 seasons later on a show, and. And me being in the business for as long as I have now, you know, I think it's given me. It's given me some indirect lessons and indirect benefits that I never thought I would get anywhere else. And I think it does come from my medical background.

[Willie Geist]

You know, your jump to comedy is all the more extraordinary given how much you invested in medicine. I mean, you graduated high school and you're 16, I think.

[Ken Jeong]

Yes.

[Willie Geist]

You're the 1986 Greensboro Youth of the Year. Take a bow.

[Ken Jeong]

Actually, my parents will love that you said that that matters more to them than anything I do now. I suspect it really does, that my parents will get a kick out of it.

[Willie Geist]

Congratulations again. On that. Coming up on the 40th anniversary.

[Ken Jeong]

That's what I would tell my dad. You know, we were pinning this not to massing, we're pinning it to the 40th anniversary of youth of the Year. Yeah, I got a plaque from Mayor John Forbas. It was amazing.

[Willie Geist]

So we had to get it in. We had to get it in.

[Ken Jeong]

That's amazing.

[Willie Geist]

So you got that plaque. That's huge. Go through Duke, you go through med school, you go through your residency. And then as you said, when you moved to la, it wasn't like, I'm in show business. You worked for seven years as a physician. So when is the moment of I'm out of medicine, I'm into comedy. When did you make that decision and that commitment?

[Ken Jeong]

Yep, it was I. When I worked at Kaiser, I was also doing stand up comedy at the Improv and Laugh Factory and open mics. I was just kind of. So during the day I'd be in the clinic and at night I just would just compete for stage time. And then got an agent and I started auditioning. And it led to my first movie, which was Knocked up, directed by Judd Apatow and playing a physician. And he was looking for someone with a comedy background and someone with a medical background. And it was really serendipitous. And I mean, it was a long process where you audition and then 90% of the time you don't get the part. And that's the name of the game. And so I remember putting myself on tape and just kind of forgot about it. And a couple months later, I was invited to a table read. And it turned out, I remember specifically Seth Rogen had said, like Evan Goldberg, his partner, and I watched your audition reel, you know, we really believed you're a burned out doctor. And I was saying, without any irony or without doing it, I said, because I am, you know. And I had one of those magical moments where I was very fortunate. I had had a great table read. And it was almost like being at the free throw line. It's like, you know, or it's like Leitner in 92 with the shot. And I was able to have maybe my one and only clutch moment, that it just happened at the right place at the right time on this table read. And I do remember Judd Apatow saying, fantastic job. And I did have a feeling I'd get the pardon. A few days later I got the. And you know, it really just it that was. But I still have my medical day job. And so I shot it on a vacation Day because I, yeah, it was only like, you know, it was really a small part. And because I, even then I was very practical, I didn't necessarily think that, oh, this is going, I was mature enough to think, oh, this is not going to, it's not like my world's going to change overnight, you know. And so I, I, it was that emotional maturity I think I attained being a physician and saying, just because you get a part in a movie, you know, it doesn't mean it as long as. And my dad, I had given credit, taught me that. He was like, if you're going to go into acting, which he gave me his full support. If you're going to go and act and do it because you love it. Don't do it because you're famous, you want to be rich, you want any of that stuff, just do it because you love it. And, and you have to have. And I, I think in my 30s, which is when I shot that movie. God, I actually, it's about almost going on 20 years since I shot that movie.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ken Jeong]

In 06. I think summer of 06 is when I shot that movie. And it really was the game changer. And it was my wife who encouraged me to quit my job and do it full time. And I was nervous telling my dad. And my dad was like, look, if you. And to his everlasting credit, he said, you always need the support of your family to make a watershed decision like this. And if you had, and your wife is now your family, if you have her blessing, you have my blessing. And then so I was able to go into show business full time, guilt free and debt and emotionally debt free. I had no issues. So once the hangover happened, I was able to have a very healthy mindset. And it wasn't like revenge success. See, dad, it wasn't like that. See, you know, you know, like, I think Jimmy Kimmel was the first talk show I went on. When the hangover happened. It wasn't like, hey, how does it feel to be famous? I don't know, dad, how does it feel? You know, didn't have any of those. Told ya. Didn't have any of those hangups. And I think psychologically just having that was very important to me. And you know, and I think to have that kind of mindset of no psychological debt was really important to me.

[Willie Geist]

And I'm sure having the validation of Judd Apatow, Seth Rogen, Jason Segel, all those guys saying, you're funny, that'll push you down the road, that that was

[Ken Jeong]

being you're coronated by kings.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah, they.

[Ken Jeong]

I mean, they're just to have their approval. I mean, it's still. It still matters to me. And it gave me the. It gave me the confidence and. And Judd had said, like, you. You are my discovery, and I will. I will put you in. In all my movies. And then he knew I quit my day job, and he gave me day player roles in Pineapple Express, like stepbrothers, just like one line roles. And he'd helped me out so greatly. He gave me roles in a couple of movies that eventually I think were either recast or I was doing so many Judd movies at once, I couldn't do them all. And I still got paid for it. And I've never told anyone that. Still got paid for that day. And he. At least five Apatow projects. He took care of me. And he does this with every. That's why people love him so much, because he took care of me. And I remember after the Hangover, I saw him at an Emmy party and he said, are you doing the sequel? And I said, yeah. And he said, great. I don't have to worry about you anymore. Just walks away. Those are really, like, really. I get choked up thinking about it.

[Willie Geist]

That's really cool. And there are a lot of people in Hollywood who have similar versions of that story with him.

[Ken Jeong]

I think absolutely everyone who's worked with Judd at that level has a similar story.

[Willie Geist]

I think the way you put it is Knocked up opened the door for your career. Hangover just blew it open.

[Ken Jeong]

Yeah.

[Willie Geist]

That phenomenon we talked about, K Pop Demon Hunters, but long before that, this phenomenon of the biggest movie in the country, the biggest movie in the world, one of the funniest movies of all time. People still go back and quote it and watch it, especially your lines. What was that experience for you? Being relatively unknown actor and then being this international star?

[Ken Jeong]

It gave me a career. It's literally the reason why I'm talking to you right now. I'm not here. If it wasn't for the Hangover, it just was. Looking back, it was. I was already happy, you know, with the way my career was going already and for it to happen. I. I don't know if I. It was so intense. Overnight success, you know, and I'm sure. I'm sure all the guys have told you that, you know, have said that and have felt that it just. It changed my life from black and white to Technicolor. It just. I remember going to. We live in LA and we go to a sushi Me and my wife went to a sushi restaurant where we always go for the past, I don't know, five years prior to the hangover. And then going like, right after the hangover's released, everyone's just staring at me and just everything. It's like, oh, okay. I guess everything's changed.

[Willie Geist]

Right. Quickly too, I imagine.

[Ken Jeong]

Quickly.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah.

[Ken Jeong]

Yeah. Even though I had quietly done this maybe for seven years in LA or just, you know, doing standup, but. And Jim Carrey's right, it does take you 10 years to be this overnight success. But once you are that overnight success, it's intense. And it was. I don't know, it was for a person like me who didn't even think that they would even be able to have a shot at doing it full time. I was actually very happy and grateful. So for me, and I think it helped that I wasn't the lead. I was able to, like, you had Bradley, Ed and Zach and Todd. Those were the starting five. I was like, they always put me in a position to succeed. So I was really kind of like the guy off the bench that could shoot the three. I know we're doing a lot of basketball. I was like Mr. Reliable. I was always that guy that, you know, Lakers speak. I was Michael Cooper, whatever. I just come off the bench.

[Willie Geist]

Good reference.

[Ken Jeong]

Yeah. Just always reliable and always put in a position to succeed. They would emphasize my strengths, hide my flaws, and I would just like, you know, I was just always. Just golden. I was always just that guy. And so I was always protected. And I think that actually helped me psychologically that A. I got my fame later in life. Cause Hangover came out when I was 40 and then. So being famous at 40 is healthy, healthier.

[Willie Geist]

You're an adult.

[Ken Jeong]

You're an adult. And also, I think the fact that I was protected in many ways, I was kind of the grateful bench player. And I'm not saying that to demean myself or anything. It just. But I think it's a healthy thing and I think that it's allowed me to find my own voice and find my own kind of niche and diversifying into other projects like Masked Singer and like K Pop Demon Hunters and like other things that I do that aren't necessarily in movies that I've been able to find and continue to kind of find my own voice.

[Willie Geist]

I was watching some scenes again this morning, and the trunk scene remains one of the most outrageous things I've ever seen in a movie. And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the nudity Your idea. That was your idea. Like, it wasn't scripted that way.

[Ken Jeong]

No, it was not.

[Willie Geist]

You're like, I think Chow should be totally new.

[Ken Jeong]

Yep, it was. He was supposed to have pants, supposed to have slacks. And I had this idea. And at that time I was only known for Knocked up and playing a doctor and then reading the script and being a fan of old school. That was Todd Phillips previous movie. You know, it was just. He's just so good at building suspense and tension and chaos. He's the best arbiter of chaos in a comedy movie. And so you had Mike Tyson, you had a tiger. What could be? How can you top that? And I was like, oh, the dude from Knocked up just jumped out of a trunk naked. And it was something that I was just so locked into character. Anyone who knows me, I don't. I'm not an exhibitionist. I don't like, I've been asked on countless movies and award shows, hey, will you be naked in this movie? Like, absolutely not.

[Willie Geist]

Right? That was a one time thing.

[Ken Jeong]

One time thing or a hangover thing. Maybe in sequels. But I'll like, I cannot. I will never do that ever again. And it's because at that time I did feel like this was right for the movie. It was right for my character and I had given it a lot of thought and I felt like this was the right and do I have the balls, no pun intended, to do it. And I did. And it was nerve wracking. But I did talked to my wife about it and she did say, and I talk about it in my stand up special. It was true. She said, this will be the feel good movie of the summer because every guy will go home feeling good about themselves. She's actually said that. And not to bring it down at all, but it was. My wife was going through. She's a breast cancer survivor and cancer free since. Since almost going on 18 years now. And she. I think what made it even more dramatic was I almost didn't do the Hangover when it was. Well, I had auditioned and when it was offered because Tran was. She just got diagnosed and going through chemotherapy at that time. And it was. But she was. Her tumor levels had had diminished down to normal levels after the first dose of chemo and talking it over with everybody on the medical team and with my wife and also shout out to my mother in law as well who was helping out. They were all like, our twin girls are one year old at the time. And I didn't have a job and I just quit my Medical job. And they were like, you should do the movie. It's just a couple of. Again, it was only like a two day roll, like knocked up. It wasn't that large a part. And so, and I give Scott Budnick, one of the producers, all the credit. He and Todd and the studio, they flew me out just to do my scenes and flew me right back to be with Tran and be back with her during her chemo. So I, I didn't miss a beat. In many ways, I just went out shot. So ironically, in the Hangover, Mr. Chow's known, you know, whenever I go to Vegas now, I'm always known as Mr. Chow. But while filming the movie, I was only there for two days.

[Willie Geist]

I didn't realize that you're so prominent in my memory of vision of that movie.

[Ken Jeong]

And that was Todd being gracious and generous and the movie being as impactful as it is. But it wasn't. Yeah, I was not there most of the time. And it was again one of those. Now revisiting it all these years later, I'm just, yeah, it's like a dream. I mean, it really is. And yeah, when I say it out loud, I still can't believe that any of that happened. But again, just having that support system of those guys. Even the Hangover and I did a movie with Bradley Cooper prior to that. So he and Todd Phillips had known about Tran's situation. And Todd had said like every day I was on set, only those few days he was like, yeah, just always ask how Tran was doing. And he comes from a family of like, I think his sister's a pediatric oncologist. So, like, you know, are you okay? So I don't know. Just in many ways I view maybe the raunchiest, dirtiest movie I've ever been a part of. Like the most warm set behind the scenes. Everyone's, you know, and subsequently in the sequels, like, and Tran would come on set like she, like in Hangover 2, she came to Thailand with me and it was so emotional for me because she got to enjoy it and be there with me. And it was so. Again, it's funny, it's ironic to say how again, the dirtiest movie of all time was so warm and wonderful to me and my wife behind the scenes. I can't even repay them enough. So even if the Hangar wasn't the success that it was, I think in many ways Mr. Chow was such a therapeutic character and I was making choices that I wouldn't necessarily make right now. Being naked in movies and doing things like, because I think I was going through a time where, you know, I was like, just, life is short, and you just gotta. Just whatever your instinct is, you just gotta go for it. Just gotta go for it. Take that three. You know, take that shot. Don't be afraid and be fearless. I'm not always. To be honest, I'm not always like that. And to this day. But I think for that moment, I

[Willie Geist]

was, you know, gave your wife a laugh with the nudity when she needed it.

[Ken Jeong]

And it was masking the pain with a laugh. Masking the pain with a laugh. And it's funny. I'm Korean and she's Vietnamese. And so there was so much nonsense in Mr. Chow, I would literally just speak gibberish in Vietnamese to make her laugh and just to see if it would make the cut. I didn't tell anybody. So when we're releasing, like, Mike Epps, you know, and I'm like, you know, I was like, got chick. And it sounds like, release the hostage, you know, and in Vietnamese, it means chicken die. It was just such a weird. I would just say all these random phrases, and I would say. I was like, ah, ga mang. And then Todd kept thinking I was saying, come on. I love how you say come on. Like, come on, let's go. And is thank you in Vietnamese. So there's all these little Easter eggs in the movie that make me and Tran laugh.

[Willie Geist]

Wow, that's amazing.

[Ken Jeong]

So there are at least three Vietnamese phrases. Now, the first one.

[Podcast Host]

Stick around for more of my conversation with Ken Jeong, right after a quick break.

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So good.

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Welcome back now to the rest of my conversation with Ken Jeong.

[Willie Geist]

I think I know the answer to this, but what's the line from the hangover you hear the most from people on the street? Is it Toodaloo?

[Ken Jeong]

It's Toodaloo. Yeah, It's Toodaloo. It's happened to me. I was at an ATM one day and this guy in a convertible just stops and just stares at me. And the light is green. And when Leica is green, he goes

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to the loo, mother

[Ken Jeong]

just drives away. So it just didn't say anything else? Didn't say I was a fan.

[Willie Geist]

You're like, there's my legacy.

[Ken Jeong]

That's my legacy. Yeah. And. But no, for me just to. I don't know, it's just for people to know that about me and to smile, you know, it just. I don't know, it's a gift. It's a gift. It's just a gift. And you know, you. You want to do as best as you can to service that. And again, we're all human. We're not perfect. But there is a part of me always that I recognize that's such a gift, man. And I'll never. If that's what I'm known for for the rest of my life, it's just. What a great thing to be known for.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah, not bad, not bad. Another gift we were talking about earlier is Community, which has been this kind of cult favorite for a long time. And I feel like during COVID it became something else. Like a whole nother wave or another generation. Yeah. Got it and experienced it. That thing, that's another one that just keeps growing with time.

[Ken Jeong]

Well, it's my kids favorite thing I've ever been on. And the fact that they like Dan Harmon's writing, he's like a poet. I mean, he has a lyricism to it. There's a lyricism to his writing. And there's certain writers in this business too, that, you know, like Aaron Sorkin has a distinct style. You know, Wes Anderson has a distinct style. Like Dan Harmon has a distinct cadence and style. Like, oh, okay, I know this was. I know this draft was, was written by Harmon himself. You just, you just knew his wordplay. Such a wordsmith. And like I said, there's a lyricism and this Happened. This was great for me as an actor because it happened to me at the same time. I was doing the Hangover sequels and Hangover was kind of like. We were like, in basketball terms, the ball is a spotlight. But we're kind of improvising our own plays because we know the system so well. That's part of our system, is to improvise television, scripted television, Community, we're on a tighter schedule. It's not like that. So it's more like, hey, you gotta play. You gotta play in a great Popovich system.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah, Run the offense.

[Ken Jeong]

You have to run the offense. Doesn't matter. Great, you're talented. Great. Run the offense. You're not talented.

[Commercial Announcer]

Great.

[Ken Jeong]

Run the offense. It doesn't matter. Run the offense. And so if Hangover made me famous, Community made me a better actor because I started out improvising a lot on Community and everyone, including Harmon, is later told me, what the hell was that? And then you realize, oh, you're a genius. Why didn't you tell me? And then you realize that it just trusts the words trust, trust the environment. And just if you trust that environment, great things happen. So it, it gave me another. I don't know, it just gave me another skill set. So by the time I had my own sitcom, Dr. Ken, I was, I was comfortable improvising. I was comfortable just going, just sticking to script, you know, and I think having that well rounded game, I think Community gave me that well rounded game because. And then you got to rub elbows with the most talented people I've worked with over a long period of time. Where you work, you know, Donald Glover, Jim Rash, Academy Award winner Jim Rash, Dan, the Russo brothers, you know, everybody. Ludwig Gorenza, who is the Oscar winning composer of Oppenheimer and Black Panther, all came from Community. Wild. Yeah, it's wild. I mean, certainly you had Joe McHale, who I learned nothing from and never will. It's on the record. Willie asked me.

[Willie Geist]

Wow.

[Ken Jeong]

I didn't offer that.

[Willie Geist]

So staring down the barrel on the camera for that one.

[Ken Jeong]

Just, just Joel McHale, which, I don't know, just some things you have to suffer through. You know what I mean?

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah, like I was gonna something.

[Ken Jeong]

My back hurt from carrying him from six seasons. And possibly a movie.

[Willie Geist]

It's getting weird.

[Ken Jeong]

I mean, I wouldn't have brought it up if Willie hadn't asked me that question.

[Willie Geist]

You say possibly a movie.

[Ken Jeong]

Possi.

[Willie Geist]

Are we doing the movie?

[Ken Jeong]

I'm all, come on, gotta do it. We gotta do a movie. I mean, it would. It literally is getting everyone's schedule aligned.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah.

[Ken Jeong]

Like especially Donald. And I have to admit, especially Joel. Joel's so busy, you know, he may or may not be. He may or may not be my best friend in the world and who I love dearly. He may or may not be that person.

[Willie Geist]

Right.

[Ken Jeong]

I don't know. Sunday, today. I don't know. But there's our promo. Yeah, there's our promo. Why are we talking about Joel McHale on my segment? Why are you making me talk about Joel McHale on my segment, Willie?

[Willie Geist]

Guys. Well, I was going to ask you about Animal Control, where you're back together with Joel, but I don't dare bring it up. Do I dare bring it up?

[Ken Jeong]

He brought up Duke. Now what brought up my mom. And he brought up Joel McHale on two different projects. It is Joel again. Community was like college, where you make lifelong friends. And Joel. I'm actually closer with Joel. Some people you're closer with after college than you are during college, and he's one of them. We've always been friends, even during Community, but we have so much in common. Like, we're just best friends. I mean, and we could be in another profession, and we would just. We just. I don't know. And it was actually during the pandemic, too. We. We got even closer, and it was him. We did a podcast called the Darkest Timeline Podcast. That was all his idea. And he wanted. He goes, we gotta do a podcast. And for years, I was like, I'm busy, you know, so, you know, using that excuse. And so when the. When the lockdown happened, he goes, hey, what are you doing? Call me now you do a podcast. And so we did it. And it was all Joel's concept of having. Talking about issues at that time, like Covid, based on my experience as a physician. And then we would interview friends and namely friends from Community, and we got everybody together, do a table read. And it just became.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah, people ate it up.

[Ken Jeong]

People ate it up. And it happened. Riding on the coattails of the success of Community, on Netflix, and on various streaming outlets that actually led to a deal to do a movie. So I give Joel immense credit, and now he is hugely successful on his great show, Animal Control. It's only because of the supporting cast.

[Willie Geist]

That's right.

[Ken Jeong]

They carry Joel.

[Willie Geist]

Right.

[Ken Jeong]

I mean, the supporting cast is outstanding. Joel is just there, and it is so. Wow.

[Willie Geist]

It's going all in so much.

[Ken Jeong]

It is so much fun. Again, I'm just getting paid to hang out with Joel. It is working with a brother again, like basketball. He can read my mind where I'm gonna go comedically. I can read his mind. So to have that shorthand and I play his boss on the show. And it is just. It's just not work. It's literally not work because we do bits all the time for free without a camera, and we're like, always, like, ragging on each other, so we just get to do it in front of a camera. Now it's just, again, just. I don't know, it's just playing hoops with an old friend. It's just so easy and again, so happy again. I'm so happy for that cast. It's a great show, great people, and it is. Honestly, it's evolved to be one of my favorite shows to watch on television. I really. It's a great supporting cast. I mean, you know, Joel's just there,

[Willie Geist]

but again, Joel's just there. Joel's just there, but you were sincere almost. And then it fell apart right at the end.

[Ken Jeong]

Well, I'm just upset we have to talk about Joel so much on my segment. So upset.

[Willie Geist]

Oh, it's a great show. In the new season. I got to watch a couple episodes.

[Ken Jeong]

Yeah, right.

[Willie Geist]

Very funny.

[Ken Jeong]

It's so funny. It's so good.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ken Jeong]

And occasionally, you know, sometimes Joel is funny on the show. Sometimes a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Willie Geist]

Well, you don't miss a chance, do you?

[Ken Jeong]

Just because when you interview Joel, it's going to be even harsher. And I'll be on the set directing it.

[Willie Geist]

Great to see you, Ken. Thank you so much.

[Ken Jeong]

So much fun. Thank you so much.

[Willie Geist]

Made you cry twice.

[Ken Jeong]

Look at you. Oh, my goodness.

[Willie Geist]

Barbara Walters.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah, Barbara.

[Ken Jeong]

Chopping onions off camera and I'm crying. Look at you, man. All those. All those techniques. You're like the Larry Bird of making people crying.

[Willie Geist]

That was Barbara Walter's trick, too. Talk about the 1990 Duke. The Barbra Streisand.

[Podcast Host]

Just after our sit down conversation, Ken and I hopped up on the stage at Red Pavilion to talk about his early days of standup.

[Willie Geist]

This will take you back to your early days of standup? Maybe.

[Ken Jeong]

Yes.

[Willie Geist]

Do you remember the first time you got on a stage or what?

[Ken Jeong]

Yes. It was during med school. 30. Oh, God, 35 years ago an open mic at a bar called the Berkeley Cafe. It was in Raleigh, North Carolina. And out of sheer panic, I brought, I think, 18 people to laugh at my jokes, and I still didn't do very well.

[Willie Geist]

Oh, even your friends were like, no,

[Ken Jeong]

no, even my friends. I should have brought. I should have just left it to the drunks that were there at the bar. I think they were laughing more. It was, it was very, it was very painful. Stand up. I'll be honest, stand up is still the most difficult thing I have ever attempted to do in the arts. Cause you're by yourself. I think when I think I'm at my best where I'm part of an ensemble, I think I've made my success being a part of ensembles like Hangover Community, K Pop, Demon Hunters, Masked Singer. But doing this by yourself, it's terrifying. I'm sure it's terrifying. And even while doing my Netflix special, I had not done stand up for, I think nine years. And I just remember feverishly going to open my. I just did everything I could to just kind of get back in the head space. I was as a standup and, you know, it's very tough and literally a shout out to every single person that does stand up because it's so much harder than what anyone ever thinks. It's. Mistakes are made, things are said. You're workshopping jokes, you're workshopping stuff in real time, in public, in front of an audience. Like Seinfeld's always said, it's like going to work in your underwear. You're trying out different clothes at the same time. And it's so difficult. It's a miracle one can have a cohesive 10 minute set, you know, in much less an hour. It's, it's, it's very, very hard. And, and for me, it was at least some people, it comes exceptionally easy. And that's why, you know, I don't do it as, as much, to be brutally honest.

[Willie Geist]

It can feel lonely up here. Can it?

[Ken Jeong]

Yeah.

[Willie Geist]

Especially if, you know, you don't have them out of the gate. Oh, I have 10 more minutes of this.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yes.

[Willie Geist]

Like this is going to be long.

[Ken Jeong]

Yes. I mean, it's one thing. And I've experienced that a lot now, like the few times I've done stand up since. It's exactly like Jerry Seinfeld's movie comedian sums it up. If you're famous, you have that few moments to grace, but after five minutes you're like, if you're not. Okay, man, get off the stage, please. Okay. It just, in many ways, there's nothing more democratic than you have to earn it, no matter who you are. And there's something to be said about that.

[Willie Geist]

I think when Jerry was on this show, interviewed him at the Beacon, and I asked him that question about the crowd's all there to see You. They love you. He said, you come out, you get a big ovation. First couple minutes. That's for the past. Thank you for doing Seinfeld and now show me what you got today. And like you say, if it's not good, they're not gonna laugh.

[Ken Jeong]

I recently did a gig in Philly last month. It was a gig I couldn't legally get out of. And. I was so stressed out, I made sure that all my jokes that were. It was really, really, really hard. And Philly is not a giving crowd necessarily. And so for me to come out unscathed, you know, was like the ultimate compliment.

[Willie Geist]

It's a win.

[Ken Jeong]

It was a win because I took it seriously. I was stressed out about it more than. I was stressed out more about that than doing, like, mass singer or movies or things like that. That can be demanding roles. You know, I did a drama recently, like my. And it was. I was the lead of this drama, and I don't normally do dramas. And I was doing standup in Bensalen, Pennsylvania, was more terrifying because I just wanted to do right by them.

[Willie Geist]

And it's just you up there.

[Ken Jeong]

It's just me up there.

[Travel Narrator]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Nowhere to hide.

[Ken Jeong]

Nowhere to hide.

[Willie Geist]

But it went well.

[Ken Jeong]

It went well.

[Podcast Host]

Good.

[Ken Jeong]

I'm alive here still. I survived and able to talk to you about it now. So I think that's the big win.

[Willie Geist]

Philly will let you know.

[Ken Jeong]

Philly will let you know. And I think you know, but that's the beauty of standup. The crowd will let you know, and you want to be around, you know, you've achieved success. I'm not talking about me, but someone like Seinfeld has achieved success. When you can do it with people, that will let you know. That is the ultimate sign. And it's not just about hooting and hollering and getting innovation by your echo chamber of fans, necessarily, but if it's by people that you're like, impress me. Oh, okay. You did okay.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah.

[Ken Jeong]

That, to me, is a compliment.

[Willie Geist]

Good.

[Commercial Announcer]

Good.

[Ken Jeong]

Absolutely.

[Willie Geist]

All right, so just give us your best 15 minutes. We'll be right here, guys.

[Ken Jeong]

We'll be right back.

[Podcast Host]

Brilliant.

[Willie Geist]

Thank you.

[Ken Jeong]

What an ad lib. I was a little slow at the beginning when I said we, but when I said back, it killed it.

[Willie Geist]

Oh, they loved it. That's great.

[Podcast Host]

My big thanks again to Ken for a great conversation. My thanks to all of you for listening again this week. If you want to hear more of our conversations with my guests every week, be sure to click follow so you never miss an episode. And don't forget to tune in to Sunday Today every weekend on NPR BC to see these interviews with your own two eyes. I'm Willie Geist. We'll see you right back here next week on the Sunday Sit Down Podcast.

[Ken Jeong]

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[Travel Narrator]

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