17 Years with an NFL QB with guest Kelly Stafford

Summary

Sunday Sports Club with Allison Kuch

Episode: 17 Years with an NFL QB (w/ Kelly Stafford)
Date: August 31, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode features Kelly Stafford, wife of NFL quarterback Matthew Stafford and mother of four, joining host Allison Kuch for an honest, wide-ranging conversation about her 17 years alongside an NFL star. The discussion covers Kelly's evolution from college girlfriend to "Michigan royalty," the realities behind being an NFL spouse, motherhood, public scrutiny, family, and surviving personal health scares (including her brain tumor diagnosis). The conversation is candid, funny, and supportive, highlighting both the highs and lows of a life lived in the NFL spotlight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Beginnings & Relationship Evolution

• Meeting Matthew Stafford & Early Years

  • Kelly and Matthew started dating before he was drafted (01:42).
  • Long-distance relationship during college; Kelly transferring to Michigan for nursing (02:36).
  • Initial skepticism from her family about moving without an engagement (02:36–03:56).

• Engagement & Family Dynamics

  • Engaged after five seasons in the NFL (03:24).
  • Kelly discusses pressure from her Southern upbringing, feeling she gave up a lot for Matthew, and her father’s concerns about her future (03:31–04:09).

• "Playing the Role"

  • Kelly admits to feeling she was "playing house" and living out the “girlfriend/wife” role under pressure (04:19–04:27).
  • She reflects on how young they were and the pressure to seem mature (05:53).

Quote:

"Looking back at it, we were young as shit, right?" – Kelly Stafford (04:02)

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2. The Public Eye & Misconceptions

• Identity and Public Perception

  • Early years in Detroit, sudden "celebrity" as Stafford’s girlfriend (06:54–07:50).
  • The pressure on NFL partners to look or act a certain way and the challenge of being seen as a full person (06:47–08:06).

• Misconceptions About NFL Wives

  • Kelly addresses assumptions that she "does nothing" and is a stereotypical stay-at-home wife (09:16–10:43).
  • She works to maintain independence and instill good values in her daughters.

Quote:

"People see the headlines, and then they come up with a total personality for you." – Kelly Stafford (15:33)

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3. Motherhood and Family Life

• Parenting Challenges

  • Juggling four daughters and extravagant but grounded parenting in the NFL world (12:04).
  • Sharing stories about managing kids’ activities, dealing with “spoiled” perceptions, and teaching independence ("go put a lemonade stand out"—11:03).

• Vulnerability and Community

  • Kelly speaks about sharing struggles around parenting openly to create connection and support (18:07).
  • She wants to be transparent about the realities and difficulties: “I don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m failing left and right.” (18:24)

Quote:

"At the end of the day, I still wanna prove to myself that I don't need any of that." – Kelly Stafford (10:43)

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4. Handling Criticism and Media

• Challenges of Openness

  • The more transparent Kelly is, the more she feels vulnerable to media spin and attacks (14:37–15:33).
  • Online scrutiny and misinformation, especially as her podcast and public profile grew.

• Impact on Family

  • Media narratives have even affected her daughters at school (16:13):
    “Mommy, are we having to move because of you? ... the Rams don’t like you.”
  • Kelly is candid about the emotional toll, especially when her family is involved.

Quote:

"Sometimes your transparency is taken in a wrong direction." – Alison Kuch (14:46)

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5. Game Day Realities

• Game Day vs. Real Life

  • For Matt, game day is routine; for Kelly, it’s chaos with four girls (27:40–29:00).
  • Contrast between pregame and postgame routines across the years; postgame now relieved by kids' presence after losses (29:28–30:20).

• Suite vs. Sideline Life

  • Differences in their game-day experiences; contrast between regular seats and suite life with kids and family (30:20–31:42).
  • Challenges of bringing kids to away games and fan interactions (32:17–33:14).

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6. NFL Culture & Community

• Fan Passion and Rivalries

  • Stories of passionate (sometimes rowdy) fan bases and their impact—“the opposing fans found our suite” (34:18).
  • Kelly balances sensitivity with humor about fan interactions, rivalries, and her daughters defending their dad.

• Raising Daughters in the Spotlight

  • Reflections on being a “girl dad” and how it’s shaped Matthew: gentleness, patience, and the joys and anxieties of parenting four daughters (35:06–37:21).

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7. Personal & Marital Growth (Including Health Challenges)

• Brain Tumor Diagnosis
  • Kelly recounts her diagnosis after dizzy spells and an incident with her newborn (43:10–44:10).
  • Praises the NFL and Detroit community support (52:12), notes importance of sharing to support others with similar diagnoses.

Quote:

"All of a sudden, I wasn't...keeping up this persona that my kids were perfectly behaved. It was definitely a good pause for me..." – Kelly Stafford on brain tumor’s life perspective (45:23)

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8. End of Career & What Comes Next

• Retirement Reflections

  • Frequent jokes (and real talk) about when Matt will retire; hope for a family-oriented next chapter focused on their children’s pursuits, not football (64:32–65:14).

• Personal Impact on NFL and Community

  • Kelly doubts she’s changed the NFL as an institution but is proud to have made a difference in Detroit and local communities (40:30–41:41).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Sometimes being in the eye, I worry about my girls… I always want them to have their own identity.” – Kelly Stafford (63:26)
• “You're not gonna grow up, eat spoiled rotten brats. I won't raise that. I can't do it.” – Kelly Stafford (10:43)
• “The amount of pressure that he has on him… I pride myself in being a sounding board whenever he might need it.” – Kelly Stafford (62:02)
• On postgame nerves:
  “I just, this past year, stopped throwing up at the beginning of games…I get so nervous.” – Kelly Stafford (55:54)
• “I'll always be grateful to that place for so many reasons. With that one especially.” (on Detroit) – Kelly Stafford (08:56)
• “I love and hate the fall. I look forward to Sundays, but I also dread them in a way.” – Kelly Stafford (62:02)
• On fan scrutiny:
  “When you're talking about how shitty my husband is, it fucking pisses me off.” – Kelly Stafford (33:24)
• On retirement:
  “Honestly, I’m looking for our weekend to be about our family…I’m really looking forward to that switch where he can relax and cheer on somebody he loves.” – Kelly Stafford (64:32)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Kelly’s move to Michigan & early relationship challenges: 02:36–04:09
• Getting engaged & struggles with timing: 03:24–04:09
• Playing a public role & image pressure: 06:47–08:06
• Parenting and keeping kids grounded: 09:49–11:42
• Handling media, criticism, and transparency: 14:37–16:13
• Children facing scrutiny at school: 16:13–16:56
• Pregame and postgame routines over the years: 27:40–30:20
• Brain tumor diagnosis & aftermath: 43:10–45:23
• NFL community support during health crisis: 52:12–54:53
• Reflecting on contribution to the NFL & community: 40:30–41:41
• Rapid fire questions (fun, light closing moments): 65:48–69:26

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Episode Tone & Style

The conversation is warm, honest, and self-deprecating, filled with humor and mutual support. Both women share openly about personal challenges, motherhood, the realities of NFL life, and the pressure of public scrutiny—balancing authenticity with laughter and real advice.

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Additional Fun (Rapid Fire) [65:48+]

• Game day outfit: Subtle Rams chic (65:57)
• Footwear: Sneakers (66:00)
• Suite life vs. sideline: Prefers up close sideline seats (66:17)
• Kelsey Brothers or Manning Brothers? Kelsey (67:25)
• Weed gummy or glass of wine? Weed gummy (68:29)

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Where to Follow

• Kelly Stafford: Instagram @kbstafford.89
• Kelly’s podcast: “The Morning After”
• Allison Kuch: Instagram @allisonkuch

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For new listeners or longtime NFL fans, this episode offers both an inside look and heartfelt wisdom about sports, family, and staying true under pressure.

Transcript

[Alison Kooch]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

[Kelly Stafford]

What's up, guys?

[Alison Kooch]

Welcome back to Sunday Sports Club Podcast, a podcast all about sports told by a woman. And that woman is me. Hi, guys. I'm Alison Kooch, and today we are joined by Michigan Royalty. We have Kelly Stafford, wife to Matt Stafford and mother of how many children? Four.

[Kelly Stafford]

Poor girl.

[Alison Kooch]

Are you okay? Is your husband okay?

[Kelly Stafford]

I ask myself that every morning. I think he's more okay than I am, but, no, I appreciate you having me on, and I love how you just. Just said Michigan Royalty, because I think I am not loved there anymore, but my husband is, so that's okay.

[Alison Kooch]

Okay. Any. I always thought you guys were the coolest, like, couple, looked up to you, and I'm like, oh, wow. Now we're sitting at a table here many years later, and tails have turned. Yeah. Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

Like, I look up to you now, which is pretty odd.

[Alison Kooch]

I am taller than you, so that makes a little bit more sense.

[Kelly Stafford]

You do have height. I'm jealous of that.

[Alison Kooch]

Well, I just want to start off by saying how much of a legend you are in so many different spaces. I mean, your husband is going into year 17. 17, yeah. That's awesome. So this has been. I mean, it's just every year, the same cadence. OTAs training camp, NFL season, kind of through and through. Do you feel like people get who you really are?

[Kelly Stafford]

I feel like now they do. Now that they've gotten a good taste of me on my podcast before. No, not at all. And I honestly, if I'm being truthful with you, I don't think I really got myself for, like, a good decade there.

[Alison Kooch]

Oh, my gosh.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Alison Kooch]

Well, a lot of changes have happened in 17 years. I mean, when Matt first came into the NFL, were you guys married? Engaged?

[Kelly Stafford]

No, we were. We were dating. To be honest, when he got drafted, I didn't think we'd last past. I don't know. I was hoping. I was hopeful, obviously, but no, we were just kind of dating. We did long, not kind. We were dating.

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

We weren't kind of dating. We were dating. Did the long distance.

[Alison Kooch]

He's like, wow, this is news to me.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah, well, honestly, yeah, you may be right. It might not have been to him, but to me, yes. But no. He went up to Michigan. I stayed at Georgia. We did long distance, and then kind of got tired of that, and he said, do you want to move up here? Which was a big move. There was no ring involved. I was 19. I was young.

[Alison Kooch]

Oh, wow.

[Kelly Stafford]

I had not finished school, so I raised in A Southern home. And my dad was like, absolutely not. And I kind of just went against what he said and moved.

[Alison Kooch]

Absolutely.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah, I did. I remember the absolutely part.

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

I was like, sorry, I'm still gonna go. One of the things that pulled me to is Georgia didn't have a nursing school. I wanted to be a nurse. There was a school in Michigan, Oakland University, that had a great nursing program. So it was like a. Well, I could transfer up there and go to nursing school because Georgia didn't have. Was a. You know, it was lucky coincidence there that that was the case. But no, we. We just were dating, and then we continued to date for God knows how long.

[Alison Kooch]

I know. I was gonna ask. When did you guys get engaged?

[Kelly Stafford]

We got engaged in 2014, so that was five to six years in the league.

[Alison Kooch]

I'm sure your dad was really happy.

[Kelly Stafford]

Finally. I didn't even tell Matthew this, but there was. My dad told me if he didn't propose the off season, that he actually did, that I had to come back home. And I didn't fight it.

[Alison Kooch]

Okay?

[Kelly Stafford]

I didn't. Cause I was like, you know what? You're right. Like, I've been up there a long time. I'm living this life. Like, I moved away from. And not that I was, you know, resented him for that, by any means, but it was kind of like I gave up a lot. And that's how I viewed it at the time.

[Alison Kooch]

Yes.

[Kelly Stafford]

Like, oh, I gave up so much. Like, why can't you commit to me? Looking back at it, we were young as shit, right?

[Alison Kooch]

Like, turns out, yes, super young. That now looking back, you're like, okay, there is a reason we didn't get engaged.

[Kelly Stafford]

One thing, thousand percent.

[Alison Kooch]

But at the time, you were like, yeah, I don't know.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Alison Kooch]

Why has he not. Do you feel like at that point you were almost, like, kind of playing house? Like, playing the wife, playing the role.

[Kelly Stafford]

Playing. I hate and I hate playing the role.

[Alison Kooch]

You don't buy the milk or you don't buy the cow if you're getting the milk for free.

[Kelly Stafford]

Exactly. And it was kind of just like I was doing every. Like any housewife would, doing everything at home and making sure everything's taken care of and then realizing that that could be over in a hot second. And I. I don't know, left with kind of. And that's. That's what my dad said when I was moving out there. And he told Matthew that. He goes, what happens when you guys break up? What happens to my daughter? She's in a different State. She doesn't have her degree. She doesn't have anything to fall back on. And he was like, well, she's going to go to nursing school. And he goes, well, what if you break up while she's in nursing school? He goes, I will make sure she has a place to live, that she can finish out her degree. And.

[Alison Kooch]

And you're like, you're going to break up with me?

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah. I was like, why are we. What are we talking about? Like, I'm not moving now. But, no, I. I look at it now. I have daughters from my dad's point of view, going, wow. Like, I mean, I'm surprised he didn't tie me down. Be like, no, you're not.

[Alison Kooch]

Can you imagine your oldest daughter's in 10 years, 11 years, moving in with a guy.

[Kelly Stafford]

No. Poor guy.

[Alison Kooch]

God.

[Kelly Stafford]

I mean, hats off to his channel.

[Alison Kooch]

Honestly.

[Kelly Stafford]

Prayers to him. No. Yeah, that's. It's honestly really wild to think about how young we both were. And I do think Matthew had to grow up really fast. As most players that enter the NFL do, you kind of become an adult overnight. You go to college, it's all fun and games, and then you're expected to run a franchise. So he grew up really fast. So I felt like we were super mature, Right. And I was like, I'm ready.

[Alison Kooch]

You're like, I've also matured overnight.

[Kelly Stafford]

I'm 19 and I'm 17, so. Ready to get married.

[Alison Kooch]

Do. I mean, he entered the NFL at a young age. You were at a young age. Do you feel like you had challenges growing up in the NFL as a couple?

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, yeah. And I. And honestly, Well, I think we have challenges just like every other couple growing up together. Like, you mold each. Like, you kind of just. You grow and then you kind of. I grow in separate ways. You come back, you kind of do that whole thing, and that's always challenging. But I do think when there's an added pressure to be a certain way in public or to be a certain couple, that can get hard. And honestly, I think he never really felt that pressure. I felt the pressure. And so I would try and look a certain way, act a certain way, and we'd be out and he'd be like, what the hell are you doing? I'm like, I don't know. Just like, isn't this what I'm supposed to do?

[Alison Kooch]

Is this what I'm supposed to look like all the time?

[Kelly Stafford]

Isn't this what I'm like, what do you mean? Chest out.

[Alison Kooch]

You know, like improper. Shoulders back.

[Kelly Stafford]

Great he's, like, relaxed, but easier for. I feel like him to say, but no, it was those added pressures. I feel like everyone goes through those ebbs and flows as a couple, but. And Michigan is a small market, meaning they. Football is big, big, big deal. Big market for football, for sure. But, like, so everyone kind of. I went from being just another Georgia girl, like, whatever sorority. I hated my sorority, so I'm not gonna go there. But, you know, went up to Michigan, and all of a sudden I am known because I am the girlfriend of somebody. And that kind of happened overnight, which was a little daunting to me because I just wasn't expecting it. In the south, we're all about college football. So, like, NFL football, I didn't really, like, follow. But going to Detroit, then I realized how big of a deal it was.

[Alison Kooch]

It's anything with a ball in Michigan, it's just like, yes, I love it. Like, I loved it too. I was the one consuming it. I wasn't the one living it.

[Kelly Stafford]

I didn't love that. You're right. I didn't love that part about it. But I love that there. That city is so passionate about sports.

[Alison Kooch]

Very passionate.

[Kelly Stafford]

That's how I grew up.

[Alison Kooch]

I have so much respect for the passionate cities like the Buffalo, the Wisconsin. That's not a city, but you guys get what I'm saying?

[Kelly Stafford]

Well, Green Bay, is it a city? Who knows?

[Alison Kooch]

I don't know. I've been there.

[Kelly Stafford]

It's a town.

[Alison Kooch]

So I just. I do love that passion. And I'm sure that you kind of felt like almost a family or the community of Michigan and, like, Detroit, 100%.

[Kelly Stafford]

And so, like, it was in the. The direst times of. Of us that I really felt that. And to a point where they didn't have to do any of that. Like, when I had my brain tumor and stuff, they didn't have to support it and write letters.

[Alison Kooch]

She's like, you know that brain tumor?

[Kelly Stafford]

Well, and. But it's true. And, like, looking back on it, yes. But that city kind of surrounded me in a time where I felt very alone and made me feel like, easily gonna get through this. And I'll always be grateful to that place for so many reasons. With that one especially.

[Alison Kooch]

Well, we'll talk about the brain tumor.

[Kelly Stafford]

Okay.

[Alison Kooch]

Brain tumor. Yeah, we'll talk about that in a second. Okay, so then you go on, you get married, you have children. I mean, you quite literally grew up while your husband was playing in the NFL. Do you feel like people have a misconception about you?

[Kelly Stafford]

Probably I mean, just like what you see possibly if you don't follow the podcast, even on my social media, I try and be as real as I can. But, yeah, I think the misconception about me, I would say, is. Well, I feel like it's like every other NFL or professional athlete girlfriend that I don't do anything, that I sit my ass at home, all those things. And some of it's true. Hell, I mean, like, yeah, there are days that I don't want to do shit, and turns out I don't do shit because I need those days just.

[Alison Kooch]

Like everybody else and not do shit.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yes. But I will say, I mean, I am born and raised in the south, taught to be independent on my own, taught to raise good children. I mean, I am working through it just like everybody else. Like, no matter what's behind me in a way of. And yes, I am very, very blessed to have one, obviously an incredible husband who supports me nonstop. And very blessed, which everyone will point out financially to be able to do certain things and afford certain luxuries in this life. But at the end of the day, I still wanna prove to myself that I don't need any of that. And so that there's a. And to my kids. Cause I'm like, listen, you're not gonna grow up, eat spoiled rotten brats. I won't raise that. I can't do it. And it's hard because it could be easy to get them whatever they want.

[Alison Kooch]

Mommy, I want a pony.

[Kelly Stafford]

And you're like, no.

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

But then go.

[Alison Kooch]

No.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah, go fucking work on the. I was about to say work on the corner, but that sounds bad. But, you know, like, get a.

[Alison Kooch]

Go get a farm.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah, go.

[Alison Kooch]

Like, you might live in a farm community. We don't know.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yes, well. And I'm like, go. Well, then go put a lemonade stand out. Make some money. If you want to buy something great.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

I will support you.

[Alison Kooch]

I mean, if I'm putting a lemonade stand out in the nice parts of la, you could maybe buy a pony.

[Kelly Stafford]

The amount of money these kids make on lemonade stands in this neighborhood.

[Alison Kooch]

Wait, I need to know, girl.

[Kelly Stafford]

People will drive by and just give $100. Be like, good job with the sign.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

That's so me.

[Alison Kooch]

I'm like, do you guys have Venmo?

[Kelly Stafford]

No, it's true.

[Alison Kooch]

And then like, they're putting up the QR code. I'm like, I think you guys are on to something so easy.

[Kelly Stafford]

And they make a. And to the point where I'm like, all right, well, we're just gonna, like, put some of this away.

[Alison Kooch]

It's like the Halloween candy. You're just, like, dividing it and taking some for yourself. You're like, mommy needs Starbucks. Let's go.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah, exactly. No, I mean. But I will say when.

[Alison Kooch]

You're.

[Kelly Stafford]

When. And my husband didn't grow up in this type of situation either. So raising kids is. With. It is a learning process, and we learn as we go. And what. You know, there are some. Like, the other day he was like, how many book bags do they have? They have, like, fucking seven book bags. I don't even know how it happened. Like, they have a soccer book bag. They have a gymnastics book bag.

[Alison Kooch]

I mean, like, they were just saying seven book bags for school. I was like, I do think you guys are overdoing it a little bit.

[Kelly Stafford]

I mean, I don't even know how it happened. But, like, I open the air and I go, holy shit, they do. And of course he would point it out. I'm like, it's like, it's Amazon book bags. And he's right. He's like, but why do they have so many? I don't fucking know.

[Alison Kooch]

I don't know. Different sports. So I don't lose the jersey. So I don't lose my God fricking mind. When I'm. When it's the game day and I'm looking for the jersey.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah. It turns out the cleats, the shin guards, the ball are all in the soccer bag. And then you got the grips. God bless gymnastics. And the leotards, whatever in that. I don't know. But he's right. But it's. It's a learning.

[Alison Kooch]

It's a learning process. A learning process.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yes.

[Alison Kooch]

Well, you mentioned that you felt like in the beginning of his career, you kind of had to keep up, like, an image. Do you feel the same way now? No at all.

[Kelly Stafford]

Too old.

[Alison Kooch]

It's like, now for football games. Are you like, I'm pre planning outfits. I'm so.

[Kelly Stafford]

I always am telling myself, this is his last year. So I'm like, all right, I'm going.

[Alison Kooch]

To have some fun to go big this year.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah, I'm out. Some fun. Not like pre planning, like, nice. I don't do, like, the designer ish ones, but I do like the fun. Like the custom one. Stafford on the back or, you know, and really for the girls, I say, cute family pictures. Yes. And they can have those. And I save all these things so they can just, like, I don't know, give them their kids. Not that you're on A grandpa's fucking denim jacket with a painting on the back. But, you know, I'm Michael. We paid a shit ton for it, so that shit's getting saved somehow. But no, I. The pressure now I feel like the pressure is just different. It's. I've kind of gotten over the looks portion of it, and it's more now, like, can I carry myself in a professional manner? Because I've gotten a lot of headlines of maybe not looking like that. So can I? And I even told my mom this because I was like, I mean, the way I'm painted isn't me. And so how do I kind of show them who I actually am? Like, how do I. And not necessarily change it. Cause I said all those things. I did all those things that we're discussing, but how do I show that? Like, that has molded me into someone different than I was God, 20 years ago when this was happening.

[Alison Kooch]

Exactly. I mean, you're super open about your life, which I admire. I do. Like, when people are super open and transparent about the challenges in life that shape them and. And to who they are. Now. When you see criticism online or in the media, how do you handle that? And, like, how do you want to be open about that?

[Kelly Stafford]

It's tough. I mean, because I do feel like the more honest and vulnerable I am, the more I get taken advantage of. And do you feel like that sucks.

[Alison Kooch]

Because you're like, I'm trying to be as transparent. I have nothing to hide. And then sometimes your transparency is taken in a wrong direction 1000%.

[Kelly Stafford]

Like, I've had this conversation with my producer in multiple times. Like, is this still worth it? Like, is me being myself and putting myself out there and trying to tell you guys, like, shit ain't always butterflies, even in a life that you might think it is, right? Like, it's okay to fail and all this stuff? But then when you talk about your failures, those failures are literally blasted, and people just see the headline, and then they come up with a total personality for you. I struggle with it still. Like, there are times where I'll get sent a headline. I'm like, what the fuck? How. How did they pull that out of.

[Alison Kooch]

Where did this come from? I hope nothing comes from this podcast.

[Kelly Stafford]

No, but honestly, if it does, it's part of it, and I have to come to terms with that. It is a game right now. Like, what's worth it?

[Alison Kooch]

That's a tough game to play, though. Really tough, because especially when you're like, I'm trying to do my best and be Open and give this inside look and. And just be myself. And then people are like, what about that?

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah, people hate yourself. People hate your true self. I'm like, whoa, got it. Okay.

[Alison Kooch]

Oh, yes. And I'm not like.

[Kelly Stafford]

And I'm also for, to be honest, my kids.

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah, because your kids are at the age where they're on social media. Like, I mean, do they have their own social media?

[Kelly Stafford]

No, no, no, no. They don't have phones or anything. But I will say, like, there, when there was speculation of Matthew getting traded this past year, and then it was a headline that his wife was the problem and that's part of the reason.

[Alison Kooch]

Jesus Christ.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah. And listen, media is media. They're gonna dig and do whatever they need to do to make a story. But the kids at school were like picking on them, being like, well, you're gonna have to move. Cause your mom doesn't shut her. Or your mom is an issue. Like, she's too loud and whatever.

[Alison Kooch]

Yikes.

[Kelly Stafford]

So my girls came home and they're like, mommy, are we having to move because of you? And I was like, because of me. And they're like, yeah, like the Rams don't like you. And I was like, what the fuck?

[Alison Kooch]

I'm gonna call the Rams right now. Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

I don't know. And it wasn't the. It was just like media being media.

[Alison Kooch]

Right. Sometimes I feel like they just like to create their own story for sure.

[Kelly Stafford]

And then what's gonna grab your attention? That grabs attention.

[Alison Kooch]

That would grab my attention for sure, rather than the truth. You know, the person who wrote that article maybe, like, doing their job, but in the wrong way.

[Kelly Stafford]

Listen, teach. Zero. At this point, I'm just kinda. I'm not surprised by anything anymore. But it does get tough to realize when it's worth it and when it's not. Because when my kids start getting backlash from it, that's big for me. My husband and I can handle it. I mean, I can barely handle it, but my husband.

[Alison Kooch]

Like, you guys see, I like to cry.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah. I mean, not gonna lie, I'm probably in tears as well.

[Alison Kooch]

Yes.

[Kelly Stafford]

But I have a great producer who talks me up and some friends and family. But like, again, when it's my daughter's, that's when it's gonna.

[Alison Kooch]

It hits a little. It hits way differently. Yeah. It's deeper.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Alison Kooch]

I mean, you've talked about prenups to plastic surgery. You've been so open. What do you like sharing?

[Kelly Stafford]

What do I. What?

[Alison Kooch]

What do you like sharing? Like, what is your favorite part of sharing? And being transparent.

[Kelly Stafford]

And I mean, I think, honestly, my favorite is, like, challenges, like, talking about what is challenging and kind of building a community around that. I mean, I talk about parenting in general a lot on this podcast or my podcast, because it's hard, and I don't know what I'm doing, and I'm failing left and right.

[Alison Kooch]

Thank you for saying that. Because I was like, does everybody have a book that I don't own?

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh. And it's. And I feel like we get, like, it just. There's a lot of judgments thrown our way with how we're parenting, what we're doing. But I always try and talk about that because it's not. One, it's nice to get off my chest. Right. And two, it's really nice for the feedback to be like, girl, I was in the same boat. This is what I did.

[Alison Kooch]

It's so nice, you know?

[Kelly Stafford]

Like, it does build a sense of community in a space where sometimes you feel really alienated and that you're doing everything fucking wrong for sure.

[Alison Kooch]

And for people to be like, hey.

[Kelly Stafford]

I'm doing it wrong, too. You're like, thank God. Thank God.

[Alison Kooch]

I wish you could see my Kindle books that I've recently downloaded, because my daughter is now in this stage of tantrums, picky eating. I feel like I'm doing everything wrong, and I'm like, literally have all these books. I'm like, I'm going to have to read all these books and then create a synopsis and then pick and choose what I want.

[Kelly Stafford]

Like, parenting books.

[Alison Kooch]

Yes.

[Kelly Stafford]

Okay.

[Alison Kooch]

What am I doing?

[Kelly Stafford]

Well, I think you're doing it right. I think.

[Alison Kooch]

I don't think.

[Kelly Stafford]

Does your child feel loved?

[Alison Kooch]

At the end of the day, she's happy.

[Kelly Stafford]

Then you're doing it right. I mean, picky eaters are going to happen. Challenging modes are going to happen.

[Alison Kooch]

She's eating air at this point.

[Kelly Stafford]

Well, she'll eat.

[Alison Kooch]

She's got thick thighs. I don't know where it's coming from. Something about osmosis or. I don't know, maybe it is the air quality down in Orange County.

[Kelly Stafford]

She's like, I'm full.

[Alison Kooch]

Sometimes that's how it seems. Because I'm like, this is.

[Kelly Stafford]

It happens, though. Eating's the toughest part.

[Alison Kooch]

Okay, that's good to hear. See, this is why people should be open and transparent. Right?

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah. Well, I mean, like, I went through a stage where I was like, eat the fucking food.

[Alison Kooch]

Eat it. Yeah, right.

[Kelly Stafford]

Sometimes you like. I'm like, first of all, like, this nice meal was prepared Eat the food. Just take a bite.

[Alison Kooch]

It's so tasty.

[Kelly Stafford]

Mmm.

[Alison Kooch]

Look. Yum, yum, yum. You wanna feed it to mommy?

[Kelly Stafford]

I mean, there was a. I'm not kidding, there's a six month span where I had to take a step back and be like, I can't force food, force my children to eat. But like, when there's four of them, I'm like, you fucking eat. You fucking eat. You're doing okay. You suck. Like, I mean, it's hard.

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah. You're like the only person I know that's getting fed in my house right now is the dog.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Alison Kooch]

Okay. My husband's on a three day fast. My daughter's eating, the dog is thriving.

[Kelly Stafford]

Dog is eating all everybody else's food. Dogs like, I'll eat your food and.

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah, our dogs are thriving. Okay. That's all. That's what I do know if you.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

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[Alison Kooch]

I actually used to have a little.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

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[Alison Kooch]

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[Podcast Host/Announcer]

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[Alison Kooch]

My favorite flavor is the pineapple mango.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

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[Alison Kooch]

And whenever I'm drinking it, I feel.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

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[Alison Kooch]

I personally highly recommend this.

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[Alison Kooch]

Okay, so you and Matt share your four daughters. What does a game day look like for you guys?

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, God, it's chaotic. Well, for him it's easy. He wakes up, he has it changed. Isn't it easy? His game day is easy.

[Alison Kooch]

Wait, but has it changed over the years? Because I feel like initially these guys are like, I want my game day. My, my game day starts the day before, right? I want it to look like this, this, this, this, this, in that order. And you drive me to the game. And then you start going by, you're like, okay, now we have. Well, you had twins first, so 0 to 2 real quick. Yeah, how, how has it changed? And like, what does it look like now?

[Kelly Stafford]

You know what? I will tell you that Matthew is a man of habit. So his game day. Game day has not changed much. The only thing that is different for him is he facetimes in the morning with the girls. I think the way he's wired and the position he plays, like starting from the night before when they're at that hotel, he's kind of locked in. But when he calls, I feel like he does get a little like less. It's less stressful just cause he can feel the chaos in the home. And the kids are running around, they don't really care. That's game day. They're like, daddy, look at my hair. You know, like mommy braided it. And half the time it really sucks. Cause I'm trying to learn how to braid, but I'm horrendous at it. And when you have four girls and they all want their hair braided and then that takes fucking two hours.

[Alison Kooch]

They're like, I actually want four braids in my hair down the back. You're like, no.

[Kelly Stafford]

And then it's like, oh, time to leave. And I'm like, well, glad I didn't put makeup on yet. This is fun. But no, I think it kind of relieves him a little bit just knowing that, oh, this is what life's about at home. I'm gonna go play this game to the best of my ability. And I will say the, the post games have changed significantly. Pregame, not that much post game, you know, in Detroit he would come home and lock himself in the bedroom.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Yes.

[Kelly Stafford]

Didn't want to talk about it.

[Alison Kooch]

Hated.

[Kelly Stafford]

Hated everything. Everyone in his way. Yeah.

[Alison Kooch]

Been there.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yes. And then.

[Alison Kooch]

And my husband's. Not the quarter.

[Kelly Stafford]

Well, I mean, but we all feel it.

[Alison Kooch]

Yes.

[Kelly Stafford]

Like, it is maybe at different levels.

[Alison Kooch]

For sure.

[Kelly Stafford]

Well, maybe. But it is still a team sport. Like, you lose, you lose, the whole team loses. So. But when he comes home now, and if it's a bad loss or if they're, you know, he didn't have. If he didn't have a. Whatever. It's. It's pretty quickly forgotten. His daughters do that to him, which is.

[Alison Kooch]

They don't give a shame. Right? Like, yeah, like, anyways, daddy, do you.

[Kelly Stafford]

Know how to braid my hair? Yeah, Ty. Ty's like, hey, Daddy, Daddy, watch me watch this. He's like, when I watch it, she's like, another cartwheel. And he's like, fantastic. But like, again, it just brings him out of that, realizing that football is what he does and life is just so much more than that.

[Alison Kooch]

Yes, absolutely. Which. It's funny, while you were talking, I was thinking, oh, yeah, like, the pre. The post game looks a little different, but our games look different. Like my game and your game experiences. Because I almost just asked you. Oh, like, so you bring the girls to the stadium. Are they running up and down? No. You're in a suite. I'm sorry. I was like, we have very different experience. You can do your makeup in the suite.

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, I. I love you and hate you for bringing me up, but yes. No. Yeah. Well, when you have as many kids as I do and we have a lot of family that comes out and supports.

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

Lots of friends, too. It is just easier. Yes. And it is way easier with children. You can lock them in.

[Alison Kooch]

I was never planning on going and sitting in the stadium with a baby or any child and sitting in the regular seats. I was planning on trying to befriend somebody and get my ass up there.

[Kelly Stafford]

Girl, you could have been friend of me. I'd be like, hell, yeah.

[Alison Kooch]

I'll take a friend. Hey, so I have a tequila and I will be.

[Kelly Stafford]

You would have been welcomed.

[Alison Kooch]

You're like, actually, we already pre ordered it.

[Kelly Stafford]

Stop.

[Alison Kooch]

I'm like, okay, I don't know how this works. I will just show you with a good attitude.

[Kelly Stafford]

I'll take it for the ride home, though.

[Alison Kooch]

I'll take it for the ride home.

[Kelly Stafford]

No, I will say, though, when we go to away games, we sit and I kind of like it. I love my girls. Love to Sit. Like, I mean, they like to see.

[Alison Kooch]

They like to see their dad, and.

[Kelly Stafford]

They get to wait. They, like, try and get his attention.

[Alison Kooch]

I just want to see my dad. And people in the stadium are like, aw.

[Kelly Stafford]

Like, is he missing?

[Alison Kooch]

No, he's on the field. We just need binoculars to see.

[Kelly Stafford]

No. And they love it, but it is stressful. Stressful. It's also, like, stressful because people, like, will say shit. Not to them, just maybe about their dad. Not even to us.

[Alison Kooch]

Okay. I was gonna say, do they say stuff to them about their dad?

[Kelly Stafford]

Depends where you are. And I don't take them to a ton. I am taking them to a ton this year. Like, it's gonna be. I'm stressed about it. It's a lot. And they're all east coast games.

[Alison Kooch]

Okay.

[Kelly Stafford]

We're playing all the east coast games.

[Alison Kooch]

I was gonna say, like, what one are you looking forward to the most?

[Kelly Stafford]

We play Atlanta, which is where I'm from.

[Alison Kooch]

Okay, so you're looking forward to, like, seeing your parents going right after Christmas, too? Okay, that's gonna be nice. The girls are gonna. Everything.

[Kelly Stafford]

It'll be great.

[Alison Kooch]

It'll be great.

[Kelly Stafford]

It'll be so great. And Atlanta people, they're very nice to. If they knew it was us, I think they'd be very nice.

[Alison Kooch]

Because, Georgia, I was gonna say, do you have a stadium you've been to that you've had maybe a not so great experience, and it was because the fans and how they treated you.

[Kelly Stafford]

I did, but I got some backlash for even though saying it. You know what I will say, like, fans are passionate. I get it. And every experience has kind of. They're all different. I heard a lot of shit about Eagles fans. They were great.

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

I didn't have.

[Alison Kooch]

I was gonna say, I'm kind of scared of all fans.

[Kelly Stafford]

It's the really passionate ones. It's the rivals.

[Alison Kooch]

Yes.

[Kelly Stafford]

I dig it.

[Alison Kooch]

I think that's what makes football a little bit.

[Kelly Stafford]

It does. And sometimes I can be too sensitive. I'm a woman, and I have four daughters, and, yes, I can be sensitive.

[Alison Kooch]

Me crying over a fly in my car. I get it.

[Kelly Stafford]

I mean, when you're talking about how shitty my husband is, it fucking pisses me off.

[Alison Kooch]

It hurts, too. Hurts. Oh, yeah. I will never forget, and I can say this because I. We were a team. We were part of the team at one point, the Raiders. Oh, my gosh. Because my husband played for the Chargers, So they were in our. We played them twice a year. Terrifying. But then we became a part of them, and I was like, this is incredible. It's always that with the Cleveland Browns. I got barked at by fans and then I was the one doing the barking. I like how the tables turn.

[Kelly Stafford]

It's fun. I mean, I went to Detroit, when I was in Detroit, I did everything that Detroit Lions fans do. And then I went back and I was like, fuck this.

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah, right.

[Kelly Stafford]

Damn it. But no, I mean, any rivals are always dicey. I feel like.

[Alison Kooch]

Do you find your girls also being that passionate?

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, yeah.

[Alison Kooch]

Like, that's my daddy. Oh, yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

Well, like at one point, I don't know what game it was. Last year it was at our home stadium and it was a different. The opposing fans and they found our suite and we're looking up and said some shit about Matthew and Sawyer's like, don't you say that. Don't. And I was like, so sweet. And also like, screw you guys for making myself 7 year old.

[Alison Kooch]

My daughter can't make the headlines. Like she's just a child.

[Kelly Stafford]

God, could you imagine if she threw something? She just dropped the F bomb.

[Alison Kooch]

Like, mommy will forgive you.

[Kelly Stafford]

This is the time to use it. Remember we talked about the right timing? This is it.

[Alison Kooch]

Oh my gosh. So incredible. Okay. You guys have four daughters. That's. I feel like a lot of hairspray. So Matt is a girl dad.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Alison Kooch]

Do you think him having all girls has changed him or like, taught him things that he wouldn't have learned otherwise?

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, for sure. I mean, gentleness, patience, things that I should be learning as well. He. No, he is. I think he was meant to be a girl dad. He always knew he wanted girls. He didn't want boys. I've mentioned that multiple times. No one believes me. I've sat him down and he says it and still no one believes him. But he has. It's funny. We watch and I'm sure you felt it too. You watch your men in this manly sport where they're spitting and hitting and God knows what else is happening on that field. And then he comes home and he's like this gentle, lovely man with a.

[Alison Kooch]

Tear on, nails painted.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah. Just like doing the thing. And it has. I think honestly, having kids will change you regardless of what you have.

[Alison Kooch]

Right.

[Kelly Stafford]

But I think it's. I think it has made him into the man that. I mean, his potential of becoming this type of man was sky high. And he's hit it like it's. It's been incredible to watch. 1 and 2. I will say I am praying for the boys who try and come after these girls. Because he is already, like, on. He's like, who's that picking the girls up from school? Hunter, my third. You know, she's a little tomboyish like me some.

[Alison Kooch]

And would you consider the middle child because of the twins?

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah, yeah, I can. Yes. Middle child. And she's just. She goes at her own pace, but she's. She very much likes boy company. And Matthew picked her from school and was like, why is she just hanging out with the boys? Like. And she said their names are Parker and Landon. Like, who are they? Have you met their moms? And I was like, whoa, relax. Turns out I did meet their moms. They're lovely.

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah, yeah, they're great. They're great people.

[Kelly Stafford]

The boys are super cute.

[Alison Kooch]

Love them.

[Kelly Stafford]

Good job. But no, he is already, like, on top of that. And it's crazy. They're all gonna be in high school at the same time.

[Alison Kooch]

God bless. Wild to think four girls is crazy, but four girls in high school?

[Kelly Stafford]

I mean, insane. I. Listen, I'm just gonna take a four year hiatus. I'm just gonna go.

[Alison Kooch]

I'm out.

[Kelly Stafford]

Love you guys. Dad's got it.

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah, actually, dad. Dad will be retired. Maybe. Yes.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah, maybe. Who knows?

[Alison Kooch]

Maybe. I don't know.

[Kelly Stafford]

Or. You're 27. It's gonna be great. Whatever.

[Alison Kooch]

Did you. I mean, I know you've probably gotten asked the toxic question. Did you want a boy?

[Kelly Stafford]

No. Oh, yes. God.

[Alison Kooch]

Matthew did not.

[Kelly Stafford]

I wanted all boys.

[Alison Kooch]

Oh, you wanted all boys.

[Kelly Stafford]

I wanted all boys. Wow. I was meant to be a boy, Mom. But God knew I shouldn't be one, if that makes sense.

[Alison Kooch]

Yes.

[Kelly Stafford]

I grew up. I had an older brother who basically made me his little brother. And I loved it. Like, I loved being rugged, dirty, all the time things. And I'd never really gotten into the makeup, hair, anything like that. I was pretty. What do you call it? Vanilla, simple. I don't know. And even when I met Matthew, like, that's how I was. But God knew if he gave me a boy, it wouldn't be good because I would have put so much pressure on that child. And he would have already had the world's pressure to be this incredible athlete and whatever, and I would have been right there with it.

[Alison Kooch]

It's so interesting to me, Isaac. When we found out we were pregnant the first time, there's not a second time. Just making that aware. Everyone thinks I'm crying because I am pregnant. I. The first time, the only time. But when we found out we were pregnant, Isaac was like, oh, like, I really want it to Be a girl. Obviously, we didn't say this publicly because, you know, people have, like, people can't handle it. Yes, but his preference was he really wanted a girl first because he was worried about how much pressure he would put on a son. And the fact that, you know, when our daughter falls, he's like, oh, are you okay, sweetheart? Like, pick you up and give you a hug. And he was worried that if we had a son first, he'd be like, oh, you're fine. Like, dust it off and get back up.

[Kelly Stafford]

Gotta be tough.

[Alison Kooch]

And now he's like, I do feel like I'm more, like, able to be a good boy, dad. Because I feel like the girl softened me up to be like, no, no, no. That's my child, like, through and through.

[Kelly Stafford]

That's a great point.

[Alison Kooch]

But it's. It's also interesting because he was like, I've been in a locker room with guys my entire life, and I want a little girl energy.

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, my God.

[Alison Kooch]

And we got a girl first.

[Kelly Stafford]

I love it. And I think he's right. Like, to be honest, it's funny you say that, like, when the girls fall, Matthew's like, you okay? Okay? And I'm like, you're fine. Get up. Suck it up. Let's go, like, on to the next. Like, you just said that she's doing.

[Alison Kooch]

That on purpose because she knows I want to leave.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah, she's playing. It's always that. But, no, honestly, he makes a lot of sense with a girl coming first and realizing, okay, I can be gentle with a child. And still he will know that, like, all right, Dad's telling me I'm gonna be okay, but maybe next time we'll be like, hey.

[Alison Kooch]

Oh, no, now, no. I see myself in you, where I'm like, all right, get it up. We're okay. Is there blood? We're good.

[Kelly Stafford]

Especially with the second one. You're gonna be like, you're fine. Let's go. Keep it moving.

[Alison Kooch]

Put more shirt on it. I'm sure that'll heal it faster, right? Yes, you've mentioned a few times. Well, maybe that was on your podcast. But you've mentioned retirement because you think, okay, maybe this year. Oh, no. Okay, maybe next year. Do you feel like you've personally changed the NFL?

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, my God. I wish I could say I have. Damn. That would be.

[Alison Kooch]

You don't think at all?

[Kelly Stafford]

No, I'm trying. Still trying. My goal is to get grass on every field, and it's not working. You know what I wanna say? The NFL, sometimes I feel like is Stuck in their ways. And I personally, unfortunately, know I don't feel like it's impossible for someone to. I feel like I have made a difference in whatever communities we've been in, for sure. And with my husband and his career and where it's gone and whatnot. Not that I'm taking credit, because that's crazy, but I do think having a backbone at home is a huge part of anyone's success.

[Alison Kooch]

Absolutely.

[Kelly Stafford]

So NFL. No, but maybe organizations and communities surrounding where we've been. Yes.

[Alison Kooch]

Huge impact, for sure.

[Kelly Stafford]

Hopefully.

[Alison Kooch]

Yes. I feel like you guys do a lot of, like, community work. And, like, I remember in Detroit thinking to myself, like, oh, they're like, kind of a part of everything.

[Kelly Stafford]

I loved that city. I would give my heart and soul to that city. And we, to be honest, we both came from situations that are not like ours, but I think we were both raised with the more you are given, the more you give. And to be honest, that's a big passion. It makes. It gives me joy to do those kind of things. It makes my life fulfilling, trying to fulfill others. Absolutely. And I think in Detroit, we did an incredible job with that la. We're still trying to find our footing, like you said on my podcast, but being in a new city and I still feel like we're new. We're five years in, and I'm still trying to figure out what's the cause I want to put myself behind.

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

And as you get older and you have kids and you have different circumstances being presented to you, it's kind of like shit. You gotta really do your homework.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Yes.

[Kelly Stafford]

So we're still. I mean, we do little here and there in la, but Detroit was kind of my passion when we were there.

[Alison Kooch]

I love that. But going back to the brain tumor, you say that if I could give my heart and soul to Detroit, you would. You gave them like, the tumor is still probably in Michigan.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Alison Kooch]

What? When did you find out you had a brain tumor? What were the events that happened surrounding that?

[Kelly Stafford]

You know what? I was trying to teach my twins a front roll. And I was a cheerleader. I tumbled. It was a natural thing for me. But I started getting dizzy when I was doing front rolls and I told my mom. I remember my mom sitting in the playroom, I'm trying to teach him on a cheese mat. And I looked at him, I was like, oh, I'm dizzy. I was like, damn, I'm getting old. And I wasn't 30 yet. And I kind of told Matthew about it was just feeling a little off and he made me go get an MRI after I had an episode while holding our newborn.

[Alison Kooch]

Oh.

[Kelly Stafford]

Which thank God he has hands, because I kind of threw. I also have great arms to throw. You know, it was a perfect toss of a child. But after that, we went and went to the hospital. Didn't get an mri because like most moms, I was like, listen, we have things. Do. We were leaving for California because our season was over at the appropriate time right after the last game. And so, yep, that was.

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

And we were going to California. I was like, I don't have time for this. And so we didn't get the mri, went to California, still having episodes, got the mri, was sitting at UCLA and was told, yeah, really, really tough moment in both of our lives. I think I blacked out for the most part sitting there. But Matthew immediately got on the phone and started calling everyone he knew to try and figure out what's next.

[Alison Kooch]

Right.

[Kelly Stafford]

Again, like, looking back at it, I'm so grateful for it. We had been going, going, going. We had twins and we had Hunter. We hadn't really stopped to slow down in a long time. And I think our marriage needed it. I think our family unit needed it. And I think this was God's way of making us slow down and saying, take a second. Like, yes, life is more than, like.

[Alison Kooch]

A blessing in disguise, if you will, 100%.

[Kelly Stafford]

It sucked to go through, but, like, in hindsight, I'm going. That made us the family we are now and our marriage very strong. Because, again, you can get lost in this world really easily.

[Alison Kooch]

Do you feel like it made you remember what's important, important and what life is like about?

[Kelly Stafford]

And 1,000, all of a sudden, I wasn't. I didn't care. Like, I. I felt like we tried to keep up this. Or I did keep up this Persona that my kids were perfectly behaved in restaurants, and I. And I would be so hard on them. They were 1 and 2. And I'm like, you knock that off right now. And it was because I felt, like, the pressure that we had to be a certain way when they're just fucking kids. And also I realized, what am I doing? Like, I. It was. It was definitely a good pause for me to just realize, you know, what life is more than what it might look like on the outside to people or people's views of you. I mean, I got stuck in that for a long time. Yeah. And so that. That really pulled me out.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

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[Alison Kooch]

Do you feel like the NFL, the Lions organization, do you feel like they all kind of came behind you, oh my God. In support?

[Kelly Stafford]

It was, it was honestly wild to see the Lions. Of course. I like, I have so much respect for that organization and the owners of that organization. Martha Ford has a huge spot in my heart and my husband's and always will. And they, the amount of phone calls, letters just from the city of Detroit, but also, yes, the NFL surprised me. I mean, but everyone loves the story. So I'm always, I'm also a little skeptical. I'm like, okay. But you know, I, I was grateful because the more it spread, I just knew I'm a Christian. So the, the more prayers I know that were coming my way. So I was grateful for that. And I also think like speaking out sometimes about scary things that you're going through allows other people to open up for sure. And there were surprisingly a rare brain tumor all of a sudden was not rare anymore. Like the amount of people in my DMs and now especially my cousin had it. Same one, same doctor went in. She went in almost the same time, but just what, six years later. Wow. And he did hers. But that it just opens up kind of people discussing things that might not have been discussed before. So I appreciate like, honestly so much the support that Lions and the NFL gave me. But I just love that it opened it up so more people could reach out if they knew someone or, you know, and we can kind of like go through it together.

[Alison Kooch]

Yes. I will say the. We were talking on your podcast a little bit about the grades and, you know, how the families are treated from team to team. But that is one thing that I do feel like the health of a family is always taken very seriously. I think it was the Cleveland Browns. I was having heart palpitations and I couldn't breathe. And I remember, like, telling my husband, like, I feel like we should just go to, like, the doctor. And he was like, we're not just going to the. Like, I'm going to call the team and I'm going to tell them, and they're going to come and meet us there. And I never felt like. It turns out I was really dehydrated.

[Kelly Stafford]

It happened.

[Alison Kooch]

Very stressed.

[Kelly Stafford]

You know what? And it's okay. It has probably.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

You hate comments or stressing me.

[Alison Kooch]

Tone it down.

[Kelly Stafford]

Stop commenting shitty things on my page, please.

[Alison Kooch]

But that I do remember thinking, like, okay, this is like our community. Like, this. The NFL is a family.

[Kelly Stafford]

It is.

[Alison Kooch]

And it. It is a blessing to be a part of. And I think, especially now that Isaac has left, I'm like, oh, I do miss that aspect. I do feel like we're very much a part of it still, for sure. But I do miss it.

[Kelly Stafford]

And I. And I do. Like, if you were having the same issues right now and you called up the Chargers.

[Alison Kooch]

Oh, yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

Immediately you would. They would figure it out.

[Alison Kooch]

Yes.

[Kelly Stafford]

And that is. That is such a great part of being a part of. You're right. A part of this community. But I will say, in the mix, which is funny, the first person that Matthew called was the Lions team doctor. And he's like, hey, and that's who set up the MRI at ucla. Like, they did all of it. And I mean, again, you can never thank someone enough for that type of shit. Also, I was like, fuck you. Now I know I have a brain tumor. Why'd you make me go do that?

[Alison Kooch]

Like, maybe this is why. She's crazy.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah. They're like, it all makes sense now. By the way, those comments suck. When they're like, oh, yeah, no wonder she's saying this shit. She had a brain to where I'm like, fuck you. You might be right, but fuck you.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Like, I can't help but laugh.

[Alison Kooch]

What kind of football? Like, when your husband's on the field, are you, like, looking through your eyes or are you just like, okay, it's been 17 years. I'm going to watch the play. And like, are you nervous?

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, girl, I am still. Like, I just this past year, stopped throwing up at the beginning games. I get so nervous.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

I'm sorry.

[Kelly Stafford]

What I get so nervous.

[Alison Kooch]

What? Article just came out about a Josh Allen throws up before every football game.

[Kelly Stafford]

I didn't know. I mean, yes, he's the player. God, come on, Josh.

[Alison Kooch]

He says he goes and throws up and the players all cheer him on to throw up. And then he gets his ass out there.

[Kelly Stafford]

I mean, I guess I. I mean, I get it because I'm right there with him.

[Alison Kooch]

So you're throwing up before every game?

[Kelly Stafford]

I. I was.

[Alison Kooch]

You and Josh could. Should connect on this.

[Kelly Stafford]

We should. Yeah. I actually, you know, we might. I'm gonna reach out. No, I. To be honest, I am really. I. I get nervous about him getting hit. I get nervous about him throwing an interception. I get nervous. I mean, I do. I. I'm one of these. And I just, like. I'll just pray.

[Alison Kooch]

It's crazy that 17 years. It doesn't change.

[Kelly Stafford]

It doesn't change. He's still out there, and it's just scary. And it's not even. And I. Yes, I'm very scared of injury. That's one thing, but I'm also scared he's gonna throw a fucking pic and be like, what the hell, dude? Come on. We were driving like that. I mean, it'. Because it does feel. I know the weight that hits him when he throws.

[Alison Kooch]

It's a team sport. But at that point, it feels like it's not all his part. Yes, yes.

[Kelly Stafford]

Like, I don't know if a receiver ran the wrong route. I have no idea. All I know is that your ball went into the guys. The other team. Like, what happened?

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah, my husband was on defense. I never had.

[Kelly Stafford]

See. But your husband, did he ever drop a pick?

[Alison Kooch]

No.

[Kelly Stafford]

Did he ever miss a tackle?

[Alison Kooch]

Yes. Or else you probably have a job.

[Kelly Stafford]

Was he that in, like, their job? I'm sorry.

[Alison Kooch]

I love you.

[Kelly Stafford]

No, it's like their jobs and everyone fails every now and then. For sure, it happens. But, like, sometimes in this league, I feel like there's no room for failure.

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

So, like. And also, someone's coming for your job.

[Alison Kooch]

Very true. Somebody is probably in the locker room already ready. They're. They're. Oh, my gosh. Actually, at one point, one of my husband's friends, we were on the phone with him, and he was like, oh, hold on. I'm getting a different call. One second. Mid game. No, he got a call to go and try out for somebody's position in the middle of the game.

[Kelly Stafford]

What?

[Alison Kooch]

Yes. What in the world. It was a kicker position, but.

[Kelly Stafford]

Well, this can get dicey. That's kind of like a Quarterback. Like if you don't perform you out.

[Alison Kooch]

I actually have a. You think about. You're like, oh, did your husband ever miss a tackle? My husband had to block the word daddy and dad from his TikTok comments because people were saying Justin Herbert is your daddy because he got stiff armed trying to tackle Justin Herbert. We still talk about it to this day. Is he had to unblock the word daddy like a few months after our daughter was born.

[Kelly Stafford]

What is wrong? One, one is wrong with you and two, Justin Herbert's a big dude. Like he is tall. He's, he's a, that's a big quarterback.

[Alison Kooch]

Well, have you ever seen a 6 5, 275 pound man drop because he got stiff armed by a quarterback? No.

[Kelly Stafford]

Little.

[Alison Kooch]

I was like, you know what, I'm gonna turn off the game.

[Kelly Stafford]

You know what?

[Alison Kooch]

I don't want to watch this.

[Kelly Stafford]

If you had to be stiff on right. Anyone? It's him though, because he's like the biggest one.

[Alison Kooch]

Yes.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Alison Kooch]

But I can only imagine the, the feeling when a pick is thrown and.

[Kelly Stafford]

You'Re like, no, I just. It stings big time.

[Alison Kooch]

It really does.

[Kelly Stafford]

But like Matthew's final drive of, of the Super Bowl. I was in the hallway. I couldn't watch.

[Alison Kooch]

You couldn't watch. Well then you're just hearing people cheer and you're like, are they cheering for my team or their team?

[Kelly Stafford]

Didn't know. Didn't know which one was cheering. But like I couldn't, I couldn't physically. I just had to remove myself. And I remember this woman who was one of the waitresses for one of the suites. She was like, honey, are you okay? And I was like, I'm fine. And she was like, girl, if you drinking too much, I'm gonna go get some wine and we're gonna figure this out. And I was like, my husband's the quarterback. I didn't drink too much. I just can't watch. She's like, oh shit, my bad.

[Alison Kooch]

She's like, she actually needs to drink more.

[Kelly Stafford]

She's like, can I get you something? I'm like. And at that point I wasn't, I couldn't eat or drink because I would just, it would just come back up. So I was completely sober, completely this big. That's real. I was so scared. It was gross because I just, I was so stressed.

[Alison Kooch]

Throwing up every game in. Okay.

[Kelly Stafford]

It was like every Sunday. I didn't have anything to eat. It was bad.

[Alison Kooch]

But somebody actually responded to Josh Allen throwing up before every game. They're like, can we get this man a dentist because that can't be too good for your teeth.

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, he does have great teeth though, if you really think about it. Mine are fake, but his teeth look great.

[Alison Kooch]

Like, I can get mine replaced. It's fine.

[Kelly Stafford]

Like, I did not know that about him. It's very interesting because my brother worked with him. My brother coaches in the NFL. So wait, Browns, Chargers, where else? Raiders. Raiders teams. He was with the Bills, Jags. Now he's with New York. In fact, we were one of the teams we were about to get traded to possibly was New York. And he was the quarterback coach there. My brother's assistant quarterback coach. I was like, this is great. Wait, I don't want to go. Obviously I didn't want to leave.

[Alison Kooch]

It's so interesting to hear though, like, even like, because I would say we're at this caliber and you guys are at this like, high paid quarterback. And then my husband's defensive player. You know, it's so interesting to hear because my husband would have workouts and be like, ooh, like the Giants. Like, that sounds fun. I'm like, looking at, like, it's so interesting to hear that you have the same experience.

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, I mean, I was looking. Yeah, we were looking at homes at multiple locations that we thought we were.

[Alison Kooch]

Gonna Zillow lives rent free on my browser.

[Kelly Stafford]

I love Zillow.

[Alison Kooch]

I still look at Zillow now. I'm like, what if you ever went to this team?

[Kelly Stafford]

Also, like, when we're done, where will we end up?

[Alison Kooch]

Do you guys know where you where you will end up?

[Kelly Stafford]

We'll probably stay in California. I think if I had to guess my it was Georgia was always an option just because my whole family's there. But I have a rather large family and my husband has always been on like, the more quiet, just like side until he had four daughters.

[Alison Kooch]

But him going over him.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yes, him going there is like. There's 60 people at our house every weekend. You know, it's just one of those. So I just, you know, for his.

[Alison Kooch]

Come and visit you for sure.

[Kelly Stafford]

California's a great place to visit.

[Alison Kooch]

Exactly. I love that. Before we wrap up, can you give us a quick synopsis of what it's like being married to an NFL quarterback?

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, a quick synopsis. Let's see. I love and hate the fall. I look forward to Sundays, but I also dread them in a way. I have a husband who is very dedicated to a certain craft that might end up or that will end eventually. To be honestly the supporter of someone who has the amount of pressure that he has on him has always been something that I pride myself in, to be just a sounding board whenever he might need it, which is very rare, especially with football. But to raise our girls in an environment where they get to see their dad do something that they love and succeed at is really special and I think gives them something to look forward to in their life, whatever their passion might be. But to be honest, it's. It's a fun journey. It's stressful, it's fun. It's everything, honestly, that people probably think it is. Yes, there are luxuries to it, for sure, but there's always, you know, the other side of it, and that's. Fans can say whatever they want to me or my children and. Or my kids, and we just have to kind of deal with it, which is honestly a price that's for sure worth it. But sometimes being in the eye, I worry about my girls in the future being Matthew Stafford's daughters. I always want them to have their own identity.

[Alison Kooch]

I worry about their boyfriends.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah, worry for their boyfriends. I do think we will end up in California solely for the purpose that California doesn't care. People don't care. I love it.

[Alison Kooch]

Nobody cares.

[Kelly Stafford]

No one cares. And everyone's somebody. You look around, everybody's somebody. So who gives a shit?

[Alison Kooch]

Yes.

[Kelly Stafford]

So my daughter, for my daughter's words, like, they can be themselves. But honestly, it's fun. I will miss it when it's gone for sure. I won't miss, you know, getting sick on Sundays, but I'll be watching all the other quarterbacks and wondering, I wonder where their wives are sitting, what they're doing.

[Alison Kooch]

Kelly really gained weight after he retired. Weird.

[Kelly Stafford]

Turns out bitch likes to eat. Who knew?

[Alison Kooch]

What are they serving in those sweets up there? That's crazy.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yes. But it is all fun. And every year I look forward to another season. And every year I pray that it's a healthy season.

[Alison Kooch]

I love that. And then before we answer some rapid fire questions, what are you looking forward to next?

[Kelly Stafford]

I mean, yeah, I keep saying retirement and it never really happens, but when it finally does, honestly, I'm looking for our weekend to be about our family. I'm not saying they're not right now, but the girls are starting to get involved in sports and they have games and to switch that to, all right, we're gonna go watch their games and support them in their crowd, and we still do it. And I go Sunday mornings before games, whatnot. But I'm really looking forward to that. Just like, switch where he can relax and cheer on somebody he loves.

[Alison Kooch]

And he can have wine in his yeti.

[Kelly Stafford]

Hell, yeah. And he can be the support staff. And telling me to hush on the sideline like he always is. Like, be quiet.

[Alison Kooch]

I'm like, sorry, do we think.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Do we think he's gonna throw up?

[Alison Kooch]

No. For his daughter's games.

[Kelly Stafford]

It depends how high level they get.

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah, right. I'm just picturing that the girls are like, oh, yeah, sorry, I can't make it to our game on Sunday. Like, I have to go to my dad's game. And they're like, your dad what? Rec league. Like, what is he doing? I know. No, no, it's different. Yeah, it's a quarterback. It's a whole thing. It's whatever.

[Kelly Stafford]

And then they're like, wait, can we come? Hold on.

[Alison Kooch]

What?

[Kelly Stafford]

I want to come with you.

[Alison Kooch]

They're like, oh, wow. You should plan an event at your house. I think you would love that.

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, yeah.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Okay.

[Alison Kooch]

Some rapid fire questions.

[Kelly Stafford]

Okay. Oh, God, I suck at these.

[Alison Kooch]

Game day outfit. Loud Rams colors or subtle ram chic?

[Kelly Stafford]

Subtle.

[Alison Kooch]

Ramshiek Game day footwear.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Sneakers or heels?

[Kelly Stafford]

Sneakers. I'm always sneakers.

[Alison Kooch]

When was the last time you wore heels to a game?

[Kelly Stafford]

I can't remember.

[Alison Kooch]

Okay, Thursday night football or Sunday afternoon?

[Kelly Stafford]

I love Thursday night football because I get the weekend off.

[Alison Kooch]

A long weekend.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah. It's so nice.

[Alison Kooch]

Sideline seats or hang in the suite.

[Kelly Stafford]

See, this is where people are gonna be. I like the sideline seats. I like to be up close. You're like, yeah. Yeah. Okay, well, I can't either. I can't eat or drink during games, so, like, that makes sense.

[Alison Kooch]

Cause I was gonna say the Raiders suite had sushi. Toro Sushi. They had.

[Kelly Stafford]

You were not eating stadium sushi.

[Alison Kooch]

Oh, I was. And I was pregnant. People are going to have a great time with that one. Hell, yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

Listen, I'm all about you eating sushi when you're pregnant, but team doctor was right there.

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah. You're like, I'm good. We're good right here.

[Kelly Stafford]

She said it's okay.

[Alison Kooch]

No. Oh, my God. The Vegas stadium food. Oh, my God.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah. That stadium is like brand new.

[Alison Kooch]

T bone steak. Oh, yeah. So good.

[Kelly Stafford]

Okay.

[Alison Kooch]

What? Why? I need to go back there. Okay.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

That's a different conversation.

[Kelly Stafford]

I need to. I need to befriend someone who's.

[Alison Kooch]

Hello. Off season or regular season?

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, I'm gonna say regular season because I know there's not that many left.

[Alison Kooch]

Coaching your kids teams or cheering from the sidelines.

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, God, I should probably coach Because I'm. I'm coaching anyways.

[Alison Kooch]

Oh, no.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Alison Kooch]

I'm one of those Kelsey Brothers or Manning brothers.

[Kelly Stafford]

Ooh, that's a good one. Wow. Oh, God. Okay. Oh, no, I'm gonna go Kelsey Brothers. I know. I don't know. I love Peyton and Eli, though. And Payne and Eli are more our age. Like, we're old.

[Alison Kooch]

Honestly, a little surprised. Not because I hate the Kelsey brothers, but just because.

[Kelly Stafford]

Well, don't say that.

[Alison Kooch]

Cause you about to get a lot of hate and you're gonna. No, I love them. They're great.

[Kelly Stafford]

You know what? We. Jason and Kelsey, Jason and Kelsey, Jason and Travis. We actually go far back to the. To the. My brother played with Jason. Oh, wow. And so we got to know them a little bit, and they used to come to the July 4th parties that my family hosted way back. Yeah. So we just.

[Alison Kooch]

They seem like a fun family.

[Kelly Stafford]

They. They're great. But, yeah, I. I just know them a little more than I know the Manning bro brothers. Yeah, she's.

[Alison Kooch]

She's like. It goes personally back. Okay. Yeah. I don't think anybody's ever said, you know what? She has a personal reason at the end of the day. Weed gummy or glass of wine?

[Kelly Stafford]

Weed gummy all day long. What's yours.

[Alison Kooch]

More recently? Weed gummy.

[Kelly Stafford]

I can function better.

[Alison Kooch]

Which is crazy because people will be like, are you.

[Kelly Stafford]

You do drugs? Oh, girl. I got a whole headline on this. I said it made me a better parent.

[Alison Kooch]

I'm sorry, but. Well, I wouldn't go to savory every now and then. Okay.

[Kelly Stafford]

Not everybody. You know what?

[Alison Kooch]

Me clinking my glass. That's water, not wine.

[Kelly Stafford]

Okay. That was the headline that came out, though. It said that it made me better parent. Those are not my words.

[Alison Kooch]

But it is interesting how normalized a glass of wine is and not a weed gummy.

[Kelly Stafford]

It does the same thing, but I'm like, takes the edge off.

[Alison Kooch]

Have you tried to eat gummy? Also, there's different strengths.

[Kelly Stafford]

1,000. I'm not taking a 10 milligram animal. I'm taking a little bite of one, and it's giving me just like the glass of wine peel.

[Alison Kooch]

Yeah, it's.

[Kelly Stafford]

I think it's just. It's not legal everywhere, and it's still scary to some people.

[Alison Kooch]

Totally.

[Kelly Stafford]

And so I get it. But don't knock it till you try it, you know?

[Alison Kooch]

Respect that. Where can the people find you?

[Kelly Stafford]

The people can find me at kbstafford.89. Was that right? Okay,89. Sorry. And the morning after. The morning after media God, that's bad. I'm so sorry. You know what? I'm so sorry.

[Alison Kooch]

I'm gonna say it's just because it's football season, so best of luck. Thank you guys for tuning in. Be sure to tune in. Can I talk? Be sure to tune in every Sunday, wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Kelly Stafford]

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